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[08:54] <bambee> morning
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[12:36] <ScottK> Good morning bambee.
[12:36] <ScottK> Quintasan: Did you give up on -runtime?
[12:36] <Quintasan> ScottK: rbelem is doing that
[12:36] <ScottK> Beta freeze is tomorrow, so now is a REALLY good time.
[12:36] <ScottK> Right, but you are helping him.
[12:37] <ScottK> Also was it you that was going to test k3b?
[12:37] <Quintasan> Well, I looked at what he did and it was fairly good however he was supposed to push something more
[12:37] <Quintasan> ScottK: I can't remember volunteering for that
[12:38] <ScottK> Just searched the backscroll.  It was yofel.
[12:38] <ScottK> yofel: How's k3b?  
[12:38] <Quintasan> Also, I need to fix workspace :S
[12:38] <ScottK> cjwatson would like to know if his patch worked.
[12:39] <Quintasan> yofel: MoDaX told me to use dh_shlibdeps -L
[13:25] <bambee> Can someone push touchegg in archives please ? the beta freeze is tomorrow... 
[13:37] <Quintasan> bambee: I'd ask ScottK
[13:37] <bambee> ScottK: ping
[13:37] <bambee> Could you upload touchegg please? thanks in advance
[13:37] <bambee> :)
[13:37] <Quintasan> rbelem: PINGO
[13:38] <ScottK> bambee: I can accept it, but you want some other MOTU to upload it so I can do that.  If I upload, I can't accept.
[13:38] <ScottK> Quintasan: ^^^
[13:38] <Quintasan> ScottK: Put you admin hat on
[13:38] <ScottK> Quintasan: Is it uploaded already?
[13:38] <Quintasan> Will be within 3 minutes
[13:39] <bambee> I need at least 2 motu
[13:40] <Quintasan> ScottK: I'll need your hat for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/831673 as welll
[13:40] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 831673 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "kde-window-manager-gles should depend on libkwineffects1abi2-gles" [High,Confirmed]
[13:42] <Quintasan> ScottK: touchegg uploaded
[13:46] <bambee> Quintasan: my hero <3
[13:46] <bambee> :D
[13:49] <ScottK> bambee: I'll have a look in a bit.
[13:55] <yofel> ScottK: sorry, nowhere. I forgot my desktop was on natty and I need that one working and I can't find the optical drive of my thinkpad currently :/
[13:58] <Quintasan> yofel: What needs to be tested?
[13:59] <yofel> Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/671830/
[14:00] <Quintasan> We need to test whether it builds or works?
[14:00] <Quintasan> or both?
[14:01] <yofel> both
[14:01] <Quintasan> I see. If I manage to get workspace done then I'll do it
[14:02] <rbelem> Quintasan, pong
[14:02] <Quintasan> rbelem: How's runtime? I think you said you had to push something else
[14:02] <ScottK> yofel: You could do it using a live CD.
[14:03] <rbelem> Quintasan, it is almost ready
[14:03] <rbelem> Quintasan, it is already building twice
[14:03] <Quintasan> rbelem: Great, let me know if you need help, review or both
[14:03] <rbelem> Quintasan, just need to adjust the .install files and the debian/control
[14:04] <Quintasan> prepend them with debian/build-whatever-younamedit
[14:04] <rbelem> Quintasan, i could not finish these days because my son is sick
[14:04] <rbelem> Quintasan, and i spend me free time take care of him
[14:05] <Quintasan> rbelem: I would prefer you informed me about it so I could do it :P
[14:05] <rbelem> Quintasan, sorry :-(
[14:05] <Quintasan> rbelem: Next time take care of your son longer instead of doing packaging :O
[14:05] <rbelem> Quintasan, :-D
[14:06] <ScottK> bambee: Can you talk to upstream about not including .svn dirs in their next release.
[14:06] <rbelem> Quintasan, what i already have is in bzr
[14:07] <rbelem> Quintasan, do you have free time to take a look on that?
[14:07] <bambee> ScottK: sure
[14:07] <Quintasan> Right now? Nope. Later? Yes.
[14:07] <ScottK> bambee: Also license headers in the code.
[14:08] <bambee> ScottK: what is/are the package(s) ?
[14:08] <rbelem> Quintasan, i will have time to finish that in about three hours
[14:08] <ScottK> bambee: ls -a * and then look at .svn.
[14:08] <ScottK> rbelem: Great.
[14:09] <Quintasan> rbelem: Oh I see. I'll hurry up with the books then
[14:10] <rbelem> Quintasan, :-)
[14:13] <ScottK> bambee: Touchegg source accepted.
[14:14] <ScottK> Quintasan: What did you need?
[14:15] <yofel> ScottK: true, maybe I'll do that if I have a digikam package done in time since _Groo_ never finished that
[14:15] <Quintasan> ScottK: nvm, gotta get to know how it works in the first place
[14:15] <ScottK> OK.
[14:17] <bambee> ScottK: thanks!
[14:18] <ScottK> bambee: Thank you!
[14:18] <shadeslayer> \o
[14:25] <bambee> ScottK: sorry but none of these packages http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/ have a .svn here...
[14:25] <ScottK> bambee: touchegg does.
[14:25] <bambee> ah
[14:25] <ScottK> ls -a in your touchegg source.
[14:25] <bambee> you was talking about touchegg :D
[14:25] <ScottK> I was.
[14:25] <bambee> xD
[14:25] <ScottK> Sorry for the confusion.
[14:26]  * bambee drinks another coffee
[14:26] <bambee> np
[14:35] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[14:45] <_Groo_> anyone awake?
[14:48] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: ssup
[14:49] <yofel> hm, digikam packaging is fun - they ship the headers in the main binary package o.O
[14:49] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: not much
[14:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: they do what
[14:50] <yofel> shadeslayer: install digikam and run dpkg -L
[14:51]  * shadeslayer installs
[14:55] <yofel> well, digikam2 doesn't install any headers anymore it seems
[14:56] <shadeslayer> huh, thats all sorts of weird
[14:56] <shadeslayer> \o/
[14:57] <Quintasan> Y U TAKE SO LONG TO BUILD GLES
[15:19] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah it doesnt :)
[15:20] <Quintasan> Hmm, that worked yofel
[15:20] <Quintasan> I think
[15:20] <yofel> yay
[15:21]  * Quintasan uploads
[15:22] <Quintasan> I wonder if VBOX talks gles
[15:22] <Quintasan> it does?
[15:22] <Quintasan> wtf
[15:22] <tazz> yofel: are you using google+ ?
[15:22] <yofel> no
[15:23] <Quintasan> IT'S ALIVE
[15:23]  * Quintasan orders party for everyone
[15:23] <Quintasan> kubotu: order party for everyone
[15:23]  * kubotu is going to his secret storehouse to get party for everyone - might take some time.
[15:23]  * kubotu is back and slides party down the bar to everyone
[15:23] <Quintasan> :O
[15:23] <Quintasan> one-eye-rick has gles now officially
[15:24]  * Quintasan does "I did it!" dance
[15:25] <_Groo_> Quintasan: go run and buy me a hp touchpad while you are at it... ill pay!
[15:25] <Quintasan> yofel: It is good day to be running GLES
[15:25] <Quintasan> _Groo_: I would order one too -_-
[15:26] <tazz> yofel: https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/113125189443372384611/albums/5643327620208523937/5643334858617962066
[15:26] <yofel> Quintasan: my driver doesn't support GLES so I don't care :P
[15:26] <yofel> :D
[15:27]  * Quintasan thinks yofel looks like some sort of a wiseman
[15:27]  * yofel rather thinks he sucks at smiling...
[15:27]  * _Groo_ thinks yofel has the same firefox thingy around is neck has he does
[15:27] <Quintasan> yofel: You look like: "I know my share of stuff, don't mess with me,yo!"
[15:27] <Quintasan> :P
[15:28] <yofel> lol
[15:28] <_Groo_> nah he looks like a grown dwarf from disneyland
[15:28] <_Groo_> or a big smurf... 
[15:28] <Quintasan> lol
[15:28] <yofel> ...
[15:28] <_Groo_> let me put a blue alpha layer to see what comes out :D
[15:28] <_Groo_> yofel: it was a compliment :D
[15:28] <yofel> :P
[15:28] <Quintasan> Nah, you didn't see people roleplaying as dwarves
[15:29] <_Groo_> yofel: it means you look... .. hum.... hmmmmmmm... 
[15:29] <_Groo_> yofel: nice? oO
[15:29] <Quintasan> like, braid on beard
[15:30] <yofel> I looked friendlier with my cap on :P https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/113125189443372384611/albums/5643327620208523937/5643332985083264626
[15:30] <Quintasan> http://krasnoludy.e-gate.pl/image/kubasa/dwarf-runelord.jpg
[15:30] <Quintasan> That's how a dwarf look like
[15:30] <_Groo_> yofel: you look like frodo with a beard lololol
[15:30] <yofel> _Groo_: I think I'm a tad larger than frodo :P
[15:31] <_Groo_> yofel: matters of scale :D
[15:31] <Quintasan> yofel doesn't has a bigass axe and some sort standard
[15:31] <Quintasan> yofel: Is that beer you are holding?
[15:32] <yofel> yeah, that was the preregistration party at c-base
[15:32] <Quintasan> yofel++ for holding beer
[15:32] <Quintasan> That should be a requirement for taking any photos there
[15:32] <Quintasan> "photo must contain beer somewhere"
[15:33] <_Groo_> Quintasan: beer in belly counts?
[15:33] <tazz> Quintasan: i had to take yofel's cap off of his head for that photo.
[15:33] <Quintasan> _Groo_: Nope.
[15:33] <tazz> i bet yofel is wearing his cap right now.
[15:33] <tazz> :P
[15:33] <yofel> tazz: nope, I don't wear it at home - but it's with me as soon as I leave the door :P
[15:34] <Quintasan> _Groo_: If the photo depicts someone in the process of drinking the beer then bonus points
[15:34] <_Groo_> Quintasan: ah ok
[15:34]  * Quintasan goes back to sorting books
[15:34] <tazz> Quintasan: you mean like this https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/113125189443372384611/albums/5643327620208523937/5643330664852790850 
[15:34] <_Groo_> Quintasan: what gives more points, holding beer + girl or beer + gadget?
[15:34] <Quintasan> It's hard to decide but if you have both then you get over 9000 points
[15:35] <_Groo_> tazz: ahah nice
[15:35] <Quintasan> tazz: Exactly.
[15:35] <_Groo_> Quintasan: you are not a true nerd! the gadget ofc!
[15:35] <Quintasan> You can't possibly go wrong with girl AND a gadget!
[15:35] <_Groo_> Quintasan: nerds think that if you have gadgets(n+1) you eventually get the girls
[15:36] <_Groo_> Quintasan: a girl will NEVER get near a nerd.. not sober .. and even worse drunk
[15:36] <_Groo_> Quintasan: thats what restraining orders are for!
[15:36] <_Groo_> Quintasan: also known as "ME space"
[15:36] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: Oneiric now has kwin-gles package which works!
[15:36] <_Groo_> Quintasan: will it have any advantage over normal OPENGL for desktops?
[15:37] <Quintasan> Ask mgraesslin as I'm not well-versed enough in the GL department
[15:37] <Quintasan> Nuff' said.
[15:37]  * Quintasan goes back to sorting
[15:37] <maco> _Groo_, Quintasan: uhh....what?
[15:40] <mgraesslin> Quintasan: cool - I will probably try a live cd :-)
[15:41] <mgraesslin> _Groo_: in general better drivers, a little bit faster thanks to no GLX
[15:41] <mgraesslin> but also a few glitches with blur, logout effect not working...
[15:41] <_Groo_> mgraesslin: hmmm ok,  tks...
[15:42] <_Groo_> mgraesslin: its mostly a big help for mobile for now :)
[15:42] <mgraesslin> oh and GLES is the future
[15:42] <_Groo_> mgraesslin: but will be default in 4.8 right?
[15:42] <mgraesslin> also for Desktop - keyword Wayland
[15:42] <_Groo_> mgraesslin: yes yes :)
[15:42] <mgraesslin> cannot become the default as long as there is the NVIDIA blob around
[15:42] <mgraesslin> but 4.8 will hopefully get runtime detection (we are close, very close)
[15:46] <_Groo_> mgraesslin: oh oh.. i have nvidia blob :P
[15:47] <_Groo_> mgraesslin: and it works quite nicely with opengl + kwin.. its rock solid...
[15:47] <mgraesslin> you want a bug list for NVIDIA?
[15:48] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: I just want to know how long it is :P
[15:48] <yofel> nvidia doesn't usually fall apart at some random moment
[15:48] <yofel> not that I don't have any issues with it
[15:50] <mgraesslin> yeah like freezing kernel when resizing konsole...
[15:50] <Quintasan> yofel: Did you manage to subscribe to TouchPad restock infolist?
[15:50] <_Groo_> anyone knows whats going on with LP 64 bits builds?
[15:51] <yofel> _Groo_: what's wrong?
[15:51] <Quintasan> _Groo_: Probably prebeta rebuild
[15:51] <_Groo_> did apachelogger sold all 64bits servers for booze again?
[15:51] <Quintasan> yofel: queue is like 15h+
[15:51] <Quintasan> :P
[15:51] <yofel> only? :P
[15:51] <_Groo_> Quintasan: ahhh that might explain :)
[15:51] <apachelogger> the empire's CI farm is faster than that
[15:54] <Quintasan> rbelem: I'll be back around 18 UTC
[15:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: Quintasan oh yeah, they fixed the reminder email link
[15:59] <shadeslayer> bbiab
[16:32] <ScottK> bambee: Why does the touchegg desktop start with #!/usr/bin/env xdg-open?
[16:33] <ScottK> bambee: I can accept the binaries, but I think that needs to be fixed.
[16:34] <bambee> woo! good catch
[16:34] <bambee> fixing
[16:36] <ScottK> bambee: Lintian run on the binaries will catch that.
[16:37] <ScottK> Accepted, so you can fix that in ubuntu2.
[16:37] <bambee> sure
[16:37] <bambee> usually, I try to pay attention to lintian...
[16:46] <ScottK> You probably just ran it against the source (.dsc)
[16:58] <bambee> ScottK: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/touchegg
[17:03] <ScottK> bambee: Usually we just use REVU for new packages, but I'll have a look.
[17:04] <ScottK> bambee: Did you report this bug upstream?
[17:06] <ScottK> bambee: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[17:17] <bambee> ScottK: reported on upstream
[17:17] <ScottK> Great.  Thanks.
[17:18] <bambee> I've uploaded to revu because it's useful platform to review packages which goes to archives :)
[17:18] <bambee> BUT
[17:18] <bambee> it's noted
[17:18] <bambee> s/goes/go/
[17:18] <kubotu> bambee: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[17:27] <nixternal> hola
[17:27] <bambee> ScottK: once the package has been uploaded into archives, we need to update the changelog in lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/touchegg . right?
[17:28] <bambee> I mean, replace "UNRELEASED" by "oneiric"
[17:28] <bambee> ?
[17:28] <ScottK> bambee: Yes.  You can do that now that you're a member.
[17:28] <bambee> ok
[17:30] <nixternal> ScottK: do you have a write up of the newer processes in regards to packaging that I can review? I can do the packaging still, haven't lost that touch, just want to know the process/workflow as it has changed since I have been away
[17:31] <ScottK> Heya nixternal.
[17:31] <ScottK> nixternal: We were using bzr branches for the debian dirs when you went on hiatus, right?
[17:31] <nixternal> yes
[17:31] <ScottK> Then other than the location, nothing has really changed.
[17:31] <nixternal> oh, well that was easy
[17:31] <ScottK> Look at debian/control in the source for where to find them now.
[17:32] <nixternal> i am going to be busy the next few days working with a client and then i should have some free time available
[17:32] <ScottK> Cool.
[17:32] <ScottK> nixternal: Could you fire up the PPC box?
[17:32] <nixternal> it went up in flames
[17:32] <nixternal> :(
[17:32] <ScottK> Crap.
[17:33] <ScottK> So I guess the answer is "I already did ...:
[17:33] <nixternal> it was turned on when the room was flooded and it fried it
[17:33] <ScottK> "
[17:33] <nixternal> hahaha
[17:33] <ScottK> Oh.
[17:33] <nixternal> had no idea it was going on until i heard the cracking and popping coming from the old office space
[17:34] <nixternal> insurance gave me a whopping $50 for it :D
[17:34] <nixternal> water cooling isn't always the best :p
[17:34] <ScottK> Probably about right.
[17:36] <bambee> ScottK: do you have a documentation somewhere explaining how to put a package on the CD?
[17:37] <nixternal> ok, i will be back later tonight maybe, depending on if i pass out after doing this crap tonight :)
[17:37] <ScottK> bambee: Not really.  First step is to get a MIR approved.  Since we're past FF, you also need an FFe.
[17:38] <ScottK> bambee: There's no way to get a MIR approved before beta freeze and I'm a little reluctant to add this to the default install after beta.
[17:39] <ScottK> bambee: Would it make more sense to defer adding it to the default install for O?
[17:39] <bambee> just asking because I see "put <package> on the CD if space permits" on the blueprint
[17:40] <ScottK> Unless somebody REALLY wants it, I think that should be deferred.
[17:40] <bambee> ok
[18:47] <txwikinger> Does Kubuntu mobile work on an HP touchpad?
[18:51] <bulldog98> txwikinger: try it
[18:52] <Quintasan> brrr
[18:52] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Can you link me to it?
[18:53] <Quintasan> rbelem: ping
[18:55] <txwikinger> bulldog98: that is not an answer!
[18:55] <Quintasan> txwikinger: I'm not sure anyone tried booting Linux on it yet
[18:55] <Quintasan> AFAIC there is $2,500 bounty on porting Android to it
[18:55] <bulldog98> txwikinger: I don’t know if anyone tested it yet. Is this answer apropriate?
[18:55] <txwikinger> Well.. there are some efforts to put Android 3.0 on it
[18:56] <txwikinger> Is there anywhere a list of devices which have been tested with Kubuntu mobile?
[18:56] <Quintasan> txwikinger: If you call $2,500 "some" effort :P
[18:56] <Quintasan> txwikinger: iMX53 board
[18:56] <Quintasan> :P
[18:57] <Quintasan> https://wiki.ubuntu. com/ARM/iMX53QuickStartBoard
[18:57] <Quintasan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/iMX53QuickStartBoard
[18:57] <Quintasan> clickable
[18:57] <txwikinger> hmm.. I have an arm dev board at home.. maybe I should try it there
[18:58] <txwikinger> Not sure if it is a iMX53 though
[19:27] <ScottK> There's a MX kernel in Oneiric, so that'd be a start.
[19:36] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: same link, hold on
[19:37] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://www.hp.com/united-states/webos/us/en/tablet/touchpad-availability.html
[19:42] <eMyller> i just installed something from neon, but everything goes into /opt
[19:42] <eMyller> to where could i symlink stuff so things will appear at menus and stuff?
[19:43] <shadeslayer> eMyller: you login into neon and then compile whatever you want
[19:43] <shadeslayer> and it should appear in the menus
[19:43] <shadeslayer> eMyller: also, #project-neon
[19:44] <eMyller> shadeslayer: i installed from the ppa
[19:44] <eMyller> oh, ty
[20:25] <rbelem> Quintasan, i'm still busy :-/
[20:25] <Quintasan> No probs. I'll look over at what you have in some time
[20:26] <rbelem> Quintasan, i will ping you when i'm back home
[21:04]  * yofel uploaded a digikam2 package to ninjas
[21:21] <Quintasan> yofel: Brilliant!
[21:22]  * Quintasan waits for rbelem to nail down runtime
[21:22] <yofel> well, it's missing gphoto2 support unless someone figures out how to fix the build
[21:23] <Quintasan> yofel: Are we losing much due to missing support on this?
[21:23] <Quintasan> for*
[21:27] <yofel> well, not sure actually since I don't know what features it provides
[21:27] <yofel> although with 2.0 geolocation works again, so we fix one feature and loose another
[21:36] <yofel> the package needs a translations recheck though
[21:37] <yofel> it has "export KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT=extragear-graphics_digikam" but it ships the translations for kipi-plugins too
[21:37] <yofel> and I'm clueless how our translation mangling works
[21:37] <Quintasan> I'm not actually sure it works at all
[21:37] <Quintasan> :P
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[22:20] <Quintasan> GRRRR
[22:20]  * Quintasan goes to bed
[23:42]  * JontheEchidna is now gles'ing on the desktop
[23:44] <JontheEchidna> brb
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