[00:00] <j0hndoe> My laptop spec is 1.8 Ghz / 384 Mb RAM / 764 Mb SWAP, on certain occasion my CPU would reach 100% even though I have 1 to 3 open programs with around 200 Mb of RAM used. I think, maybe it has to be with swap, so I'm thinking of reducing it to 128 Mb, Can I just do that thru Gparted, wont it mess up my system?
[00:04] <Pegasus_RPG> Great work on the distro, guys. It's exactly what I'm looking for. It's been great in testing.
[00:05] <Pegasus_RPG> j0hndoe: you can use   top   from a terminal to see how much swap is in use
[00:05] <Pegasus_RPG> and which processes are sucking upt he CPU
[00:07] <phillw> j0hndoe: as Pegasus_RPG says, with low RAM, your swap is correct. Swap is usually 1 - 2X RAM, on a low RAM machine, 2X is correct. go hunt down what is using your resources :0
[00:09] <j0hndoe> it depends
[00:09] <Pegasus_RPG> j0hndoe: (the process of swapping takes little CPU time compared to the waiting time for the disk)
[00:10] <Pegasus_RPG> but if you're /thrashing/ then you need more RAM
[00:10] <j0hndoe> sometimes when i watch flash videos in HD like 1080p on youtube,  so it shows up in Task Manager as chrome.....  or when I watch bluray 720p with around 2-4 gigs of file size, mplayer will show as 90-100% spike on task manager,  etc
[00:10] <Pegasus_RPG> that is, swapping continuously such that the system response is abysmally slow
[00:11] <phillw> j0hndoe: your computer cannot handle that sort of video, soz :(
[00:12] <Pegasus_RPG> j0hndoe: I'd say the CPU can but you def need more RAM, or no window manager or something :)
[00:12] <phillw> for you tube, choose the html5 version, that removes flash out of the equation and should make a difference.
[00:13] <phillw> j0hndoe: http://www.youtube.com/html5
[00:13] <j0hndoe> ya, i forgot about that html5 thing, ill try that out and see
[00:14] <j0hndoe> Pegasus_RPG, that's what I'm confused about, the ram shows it to be 200 something over 384, so my laptop definitely havent use all of it, but the cpu shows a spike between 90-100%
[00:15] <j0hndoe> that's when playing 720p video file with around 2-4 gigs of size
[00:15] <j0hndoe> I'm thinking of using USB speed thingie, to increase the ram
[00:15] <Pegasus_RPG> j0hndoe: well, run top, then press s then 1 to have it update every second. Then in another terminal window run  vmstat 1  and watch the si column. If that's anything other than 0 for more than a second or two, you could do with more RAM
[00:16] <Pegasus_RPG> of course let these run while you watch video
[00:16] <Pegasus_RPG> and look at them under load
[00:20] <j0hndoe> how do i run top? i click the button RUN type: top press ok but nothing happen
[00:21] <j0hndoe> you might be right though, my laptop could be 'thrasing'
[00:28] <phillw> j0hndoe: you need to launch lxterminal, it is under 'Accessories'
[00:31] <Pegasus_RPG> hey, my CPU has PAE and NX...can I choose a kernel that supports NX?
[00:31] <j0hndoe> wow i have like around 20 Mb ram free, omg.
[00:31] <Pegasus_RPG> ah so
[00:32] <j0hndoe> why does Task Manager says I have around 178 Mb
[00:32] <j0hndoe> of RAM free, when running top at lxterminal shows I have around 20 Mb free ram?? doesn't make sense.
[00:33] <phillw> taskmanager is including stuff swapped?
[00:35] <j0hndoe> idk, i can see CPU usage  / Memory  then below it shows Command  CPU%  RSS PID
[00:35] <phillw> in theory, you have about 1000MB of RAM, because of swap, whereas in fact, it swapping to hell.
[00:36] <Pegasus_RPG> a.k.a. "thrashing"
[00:36] <Pegasus_RPG> so j0hndoe , you have two choices: 1) get more RAM 2) choose lighter applications
[00:37] <Pegasus_RPG> question for all: how can I make a certain application auto-start on login?>
[00:37] <phillw> j0hndoe: issue the command
[00:37] <phillw> free
[00:37] <phillw> in terminal
[00:37] <j0hndoe> you know how in windows7 when you connect a usb it shows the options Speed Up My System blah blah, I'm hoping there is like that in linux?
[00:38] <j0hndoe> total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[00:38] <j0hndoe> Mem:        377572     341188      36384          0      14148     154336
[00:38] <j0hndoe> -/+ buffers/cache:     172704     204868
[00:38] <j0hndoe> Swap:       782332      31968     750364
[00:39] <phillw> j0hndoe: nope, linux does not work that way. You can use it as swap, but usb2 is slower than a hard drive.
[00:39] <j0hndoe> oh ok
[00:39] <Pegasus_RPG> USB3 however...
[00:39] <phillw> j0hndoe: you system is swapping it's nuts off :/
[00:40] <j0hndoe> are usb3 out yet, i dont see products like it like ssd
[00:40] <j0hndoe> how do I make it swap less, can I just reduce swap size? to like around 128mb
[00:41] <phillw> j0hndoe: and then your system will halt. Swap is only used when there is not enough RAM
[00:41] <KM0201> j0hndoe: thats not a good idea.
[00:41] <KM0201> woops, phil beat me
[00:41] <Pegasus_RPG> j0hndoe: what apps are you running? Perhaps lighter alternatives exist
[00:42] <Pegasus_RPG> or you can try out Tiny Core Linux
[00:42] <phillw> Windows had the same system of swapping to the hard disk.
[00:42] <j0hndoe> yeah, im using heavy resource applications
[00:42] <phillw> only much worse, hence them trying it onto a usb2 device :P
[00:42] <j0hndoe> i remove the lightweight ones like abiword and gnumeric and installed the whole libreoffice package lol
[00:42] <phillw> j0hndoe: invest in some RAM, then :)
[00:42] <Pegasus_RPG> indeed
[00:43] <KM0201> pretty much, get more ram.
[00:43] <Pegasus_RPG> Or a Commodore 64 and run apps designed for it ;)
[00:43] <j0hndoe> I tried tinycore but I can't get it to install, i try mounting but i dont see the intall button, i might have to do some more research or howTo
[00:44] <phillw> other options are SSD harddrive. but it will still not give the benefit of extra ram as you are hitting the bus bandwidth instead of your CPU chatting directly to RAM.
[00:44] <j0hndoe> when i ran slitaz live USB i saw 40 Mb ram used, but I can't get the network going, so I go back to lubuntu lol.
[00:45] <j0hndoe> ya, ill see what i can do with getting more ram
[00:47] <phillw> j0hndoe: untill you have a silly amount of RAM, 384 to 512 MB will make such a difference to your system.
[00:48] <phillw> but, your system is not really to spec for playing BluRay movies!
[00:48] <KM0201> it's barely spec for playing hidef youtube videos.
[00:48] <KM0201> lol
[00:50] <Pegasus_RPG> So does anyone know how to get an application to auto-start on login?
[00:51] <phillw> Pegasus_RPG: yup, it is called RTFM :P
[00:52] <phillw> Pegasus_RPG: to save you hunting through the topic links, the link to FAQ is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ
[00:56] <Pegasus_RPG> oh thank you
[00:57] <KM0201> can somebody do me a favor, right click panel, panel settings, panel applets tab, highlight menu, click edit, and tell me the path/name that is there.
[00:58] <KM0201> that's assuming you have the default lubuntu menu icon of course
[02:27] <Pegasus_RPG> will vino work to remote control the primary desktop in lubuntu too
[02:27] <Pegasus_RPG> ?
[04:37] <jmarsden> Pegasus_RPG: Yes.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/RemoteDesktop
[08:23] <pete__> hi
[08:24] <jmarsden> Welcome to #lubuntu
[08:25] <pete__> I'm having a little stuggle with Lubuntu x64,
[08:25] <pete__> I want compiz to load by default on start up
[08:26] <pete__> So, I went to Desktop Session Settings > Advanced Options
[08:26] <pete__> and put in Compiz
[08:26] <pete__> but it didn't work
[08:26] <pete__> so I changed it to compiz --replace
[08:26] <pete__> still doesn't work
[08:27] <pete__> so, now I reckon, I just want to load the command "compiz --replace"
[08:27] <jmarsden> Well, Lubuntu is mostly designed for lower spec machines and getting useful work done, not fancy 3D glitz and glamour.  There was a blog about doing that... http://www.dwasifar.com/?p=1442
[08:27] <pete__> at startup but don't know where to put it
[08:28] <pete__> funny, I followed that guide...
[08:28] <pete__> though it needed a couple of tweaks...
[08:28] <jmarsden> Hmmm, he talks about emerald --replace not compiz --replace, I thought...
[08:28] <pete__> now I just want to load that command at startup.  How do I do it?
[08:29] <pete__> yes, emerald --replace
[08:29] <jmarsden> That's not what you said earlier... ?
[08:29] <pete__> compiz --replace what I put in Desktop Session Settings > Advanced options
[08:29] <avelldiroll> if you want a light compositing WM if find xcompmgr a good choice for lxde
[08:30] <pete__> I put emerald --replace in the Compiz configuration
[08:30] <pete__> we've lost the point here.
[08:30] <pete__> I want to run a command at startup.  how do I go that?
[08:30] <avelldiroll> you will have transparency and shadows, no 3D eye candy though
[08:30] <pete__> if I wanted skype to load at startup - how do I do that?
[08:31] <jmarsden> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ#How%20I%20can%20autostart%20a%20program%20when%20logging%20in%20to%20Desktop
[08:31] <pete__> thanks
[08:31] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[08:33] <pete__> pete@Acer:~$ cp /usr/share/applications/urxvtd.desktop ~/.config/autostart/
[08:33] <pete__> cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/applications/urxvtd.desktop': No such file or directory
[08:33] <bioterror> you know urxvt is not skype
[08:33] <bioterror> it's just an example
[08:37] <pete__> brb
[09:35] <LXCC-Vincenzo> join #Ubuntu-it
[09:35] <LXCC-Vincenzo> *sorry*
[13:00] <gentoo_drummer> anyone here?
[13:00] <gentoo_drummer> after uninstalling lxdm startx wont launch lxde
[13:01] <gentoo_drummer> any ideas?
[14:37] <silverarrow> anyone using VLC in lubuntu?
[14:37] <silverarrow> I downloaded VLC, and it ran fine for a while
[14:37] <silverarrow> then after attempting to add nightlies, it does't work at all any more
[14:38] <silverarrow> what ever I play, there is audio, but no picture
[14:40] <silverarrow> any idea?
[14:41] <silverarrow> maybe I shall wait for the new release and not fuzz at all with it
[14:50] <KM0201> silverarrow: or don't fuzz w nightlies?  nightlies tend to be buggy.
[14:50] <silverarrow> oh?
[14:50] <KM0201> well yeah
[14:50] <silverarrow> bugg is that nothing works now
[14:50] <silverarrow> lol
[14:51] <KM0201> dunno, works fine here (not using nightly)
[14:51] <silverarrow> even youtube videos?
[14:52] <silverarrow> I had trouble steaming and playing dowloaded youtubevideos,
[14:52] <silverarrow> no, nothing works
[14:53] <silverarrow> now*
[14:54] <KM0201> ..
[15:38] <silverarrow> bioterror, I am still trying to find the ideal coffee for the coffee maker
[15:39] <silverarrow> very high brow nick!
[15:39] <silverarrow> LAcan I  mean
[15:43] <LAcan> lol thx
[16:28] <j0hndoe> I'm planning to create multiple partition on my hdd, is there a defragmenting software/tool for linux?
[16:30] <silverarrow> other than G parted you mean?
[16:30] <KM0201> j0hndoe: defragginging isn't something linux has to do... you can used gparted, to partition the drive.
[16:30] <KM0201> if you want to defrag your drive, you need to boot windows, and do it w/ windows.
[16:31] <j0hndoe> ya ty, i found out ext4 doesnt get fragmented
[16:31] <silverarrow> I mean, you just sort of make the partitions in linux,
[16:31] <silverarrow> oh, that is why
[16:31] <j0hndoe> now my questions is, why cant I edit the partition, it says Sda1  with a key on it
[16:31] <j0hndoe> i can't shrink or edit the partition
[16:32] <j0hndoe> is it lock?
[16:32] <silverarrow> I might have to mark it off, or something like that
[16:32] <Unit193> You need to boot from a liveCD to resize the partition you're using
[16:32] <silverarrow> g-parted is a bit fickely like that
[16:32] <j0hndoe> oh ok, ty. brb
[16:33] <silverarrow> I found it easiest to make partitions from puppy linux for some reason
[16:33] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. Just checking: If I want to install Lubuntu via PXE boot, I would just get the ubuntu netboot image then apt-get install lubuntu-desktop, right?
[16:33] <silverarrow> even though it is the same gparted, it sort of easier to maneuver
[16:34] <KM0201> silverarrow: its the same program, unless puppy has re-written a GUI for it.
[16:34] <silverarrow> yeah, it is the same
[16:34] <Unit193> Pegasus_RPG: Natty? IIRC, Natty still needed sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends
[16:35] <silverarrow> at least in name and generally, a bit different
[16:35] <silverarrow> KM0201, but still it is slightly different
[16:36] <KM0201> silverarrow: well, it'd be silly to download and burn puppy, just for gparted, when you have another cd w/ it alrady on there.
[16:37] <silverarrow> lol, its' all right
[16:38] <Unit193> I think this is more fitting of -offtopic
[16:38] <silverarrow> I too use g'parted in the lubuntu cd when installing lol
[16:38] <silverarrow> true
[16:38] <Pegasus_RPG> Unit193: yes, current stable
[16:38] <Pegasus_RPG> thanks
[16:38] <LubuntuPowered> there's no button for bookmarks in chromium? the only way to get to  it is with a new tab?
[16:39]  * Pegasus_RPG prefers to edit /etc/apt/apt.conf to never install recommends and suggested packages :)
[16:39] <silverarrow> there is a star
[16:39] <LubuntuPowered> that's just to add a new bookmark
[16:39] <Unit193> Ctrl+b should bring it up
[16:39] <silverarrow> a star at the right in the address line
[16:40] <Unit193> silverarrow: Only if he wants to ADD a bookmark
[16:40] <LubuntuPowered> ctrl+b doesnt work
[16:40] <silverarrow> and from the "wrench tool" you can choose to show a book mark line
[16:41] <LubuntuPowered> oh yeah
[16:41] <silverarrow> wrench-preferences-always show bookmark line or something like taht
[16:41] <LubuntuPowered> good job
[16:41] <LubuntuPowered> thanks
[16:43] <silverarrow> I like chromium because you can use only the ikon as book mark without adding name
[16:44] <Unit193> That can be done in others too
[16:44] <silverarrow> and it is a bit like Opera with the "fast dial" on the screen
[16:44] <silverarrow> yes firefox
[16:44] <silverarrow> but not, IE, or Midori and some
[16:46] <KM0201> i like the "Fast Dial" option in Opera... was glad to see Chrome implement it.. there's a Firefox extension that adds it to ffox
[16:50] <silverarrow> there are?
[16:51] <KM0201> of course
[16:51] <silverarrow> I remember when I helped my brother with his new latop (when vista was current), there was a FF version with fast dials as default
[16:51] <silverarrow> but I never saw it again after that
[16:51] <KM0201> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/speed-dial/
[16:51] <silverarrow> thanks
[16:52] <silverarrow> I like opera too
[16:52] <KM0201> i like that "feature" in opera, not much else
[16:53] <silverarrow> for a while I Used Puppy Linux, for some reason Opera was the only one working fast and trouble free for a while
[16:54] <silverarrow> it got better after some fixing, but after that I was sort of into Opera
[16:54] <silverarrow> now I have lubuntu on both of my computers, even though the stationary one easily takes ubuntu
[16:55] <KM0201> silverarrow: same here, my new laptop will run ubuntu fine, but.. lubuntu has won me over, even w/ some of the things that irritate me about it.
[16:55] <silverarrow> there's always something lol
[19:42] <mkoer> hi all
[19:42] <mkoer> i am new here
[19:42] <mkoer> lub    is there Alternate
[19:42] <mkoer> thanks
[19:43] <mkoer> lub 11.04
[19:48] <Unit193> mkoer: Are you asking for Lubuntu 11.04 Alt install CD?
[19:48] <mkoer> yes
[19:49] <Unit193> There isn't one exactly, but you can do a mini (also called a netinstall)
[19:50] <Unit193> mkoer: There should be a link in the /topic for it
[19:50] <KM0201> the netinstall just takes forever
[19:50] <Unit193> Here is direct link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
[19:51] <bioterror> KM0201, why it takes forever? ;)
[19:52] <KM0201> dunno, just took me forever when i did one
[19:52] <Unit193> Slow internet
[19:52] <KM0201> which makes sense, it's downloading all the junk from the net
[19:52] <bioterror> yeah, guess what
[19:52] <KM0201> Unit193: not really, 8 down, 1.5up
[19:52] <bioterror> that iso file is leeched from net
[19:52] <bioterror> and then you upgrade it from the net
[19:52] <KM0201> say what?
[19:53] <bioterror> with net install you're up-to-date instantly
[19:53] <bioterror> (or atleast you should be ;)
[19:55] <mkoer> but my Friend‘s adsl  only  512bit/s    he in Western china    :-(
[19:56] <bioterror> my parents has 1/0.5 ;)
[19:56] <bioterror> it's slow
[19:56] <bioterror> I can surf image boards with that
[19:56] <bioterror> cant
[19:59] <mkoer> is there Alternate cd at lub 11.10?
[20:00] <mkoer> is there Alternate at lub11.10
[20:01] <bioterror> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20110818/ no there's not
[20:07] <mkoer> I think the computer's memory using linux are less than 256ＭＢ
[20:07] <mkoer> your think??  :-)
[20:08] <mkoer> linux=lxde
[22:46] <poluxcrs> Bonjour - hello
[22:49] <poluxcrs> i'm french - so sorry for my bad english but i've a question to Lubuntu for my netbook
[22:51] <phillw> hiyas poluxcrs I will try my best, unless gilir is still about?
[22:52] <j0hndoe> hey guys I got a question, so this is what happen, the new version of puppy-linux 5.2.8 says it can now run .deb package, sounds enticing right? so yea I went and install it on another partition like I did before, didn't install grub because I want to use Lubuntu's grub2, so I went and log back into lubuntu & did 'sudo os-prober' then 'sudo update-grub' then it shows 2 O.S. which is lubuntu and no puppy-linux, am I doing something wrong?
[22:52] <j0hndoe>  I did it before...
[22:53] <phillw> j0hndoe: that sounds like a grub issue, not a lubuntu one?
[22:53] <phillw> !grub
[22:54] <poluxcrs> my display is in 800x600 but i could change this resolution to 800x480 and 1024x600 but i haven't got xorg.conf to /etc/X11/
[22:54] <j0hndoe> ya, like i did before, I installed lubuntu and want to use its grub2, so when I install other distro like puppy linux, i skip its grub install and use lubuntu's grub2 instead by doing os-prober then update-grub  but this time its not working
[22:55] <z3rods> How would one go about connecting to a samba share? I've been searching on Google for about an hour now
[22:56] <phillw> polBonjour, le seul orateur français je sais, c'est notre tête de leur développement. Il est très occupé, mais je vous aiderai du mieux que je peux.
[22:56] <j0hndoe> so basically the problem is, how do I make grub2 detect puppy linux
[22:56] <poluxcrs> phillw speak french ?
[22:56] <phillw> z3rods: samba is seen by the later pcmanfm systems - ensure yours is up to date.
[22:56] <z3rods> hmm
[22:57] <poluxcrs> I managed to change it on ubuntu as it existed on the Lubuntu 11.04 xorg.conf file does not exist
[22:57] <poluxcrs> is this normal?
[22:58] <phillw> poluxcrs: non, J'utilise Google translate pour plusieurs langues. il n'est pas parfait, mais il semble acceptableListenRate translation 
[22:58] <poluxcrs> me too
[22:58] <poluxcrs> ^^
[23:00] <phillw> xorg n'est plus installé par défaut. Si vous en avez besoin (le système ne fonctionne pas sur les paramètres par défaut), alors vous pouvez forcer le système à créer un.
[23:01] <phillw> j0hndoe: if os-prober cannot find it, I have no idea. os-prober is pretty darn good at its job :/
[23:01] <z3rods> well there are updates. I'll try updating
[23:01] <j0hndoe> yea, i did os-prober, it ask for password, then nothing.
[23:02] <poluxcrs> I already have a website xorg.conf "www.ubuntu-fr.org" if I put it in / etc/X11 is this correct?
[23:03] <z3rods> what would you guys recommend for network sharing between Ubuntu and Lubuntu PCs? I'm sure there's a better method than samba
[23:03] <j0hndoe> phillw I might have to talk to puppy-linux guys see what's up, cuz the installation ask for some weird stuff I never seen before from previous puppy-linux version
[23:03] <j0hndoe> phillw, but thnx anyways
[23:03] <z3rods> In fact, I only have samba because this PC used to be Windows before I found Lubuntu
[23:03] <knome> z3rods, ssh
[23:03] <poluxcrs> how else to force the system to create one ?
[23:04] <z3rods> knome: ssh for file sharing?
[23:04] <knome> z3rods, or ftp.
[23:05] <Unit193> j0hndoe: I take it you did    sudo os-prober   and not just  os-prober ?
[23:05] <z3rods> I was considering that solution
[23:05] <z3rods> It wouldn't be much more difficult than an HTTP server
[23:05] <knome> z3rods, i'm acutally using xubuntu, but sshfs is a great tool to do easy filesharing over ssh
[23:05] <knome> z3rods, no, just install openssh-server
[23:05] <z3rods> hmm
[23:06] <knome> z3rods, then 'sshfs other-machine:/path/to/somewhere /mountpoint/on/local/'
[23:06] <knome> z3rods, (from the other machine of course)
[23:06] <knome> z3rods, well, you also need to install the sshfs package of course :)
[23:06] <z3rods> ok
[23:06] <z3rods> seems easy
[23:07] <knome> it is extremely easy
[23:07] <z3rods> thanks knome
[23:07] <knome> np
[23:07] <poluxcrs> phillw : http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/hercules_ecafe_ec800 , Here is the doc in French with the xorg.conf file is that I can directly put it in X11, or should I force the system to create one before
[23:07] <Unit193> j0hndoe: I see you did. Mind giving   sudo blkid   a shot to see what it finds?
[23:07] <z3rods> I hope updating this time around doesn't break my wireless :(
[23:08] <z3rods> oops
[23:08] <z3rods> restart
[23:09] <phillw> poluxcrs: les instructions sont en anglais, je pensais que Ubuntu a eu un principal forum en français? .. En fait,j'étais aussi dit qu'ils n'étaient pas poli de Commers nouvelle.
[23:09] <phillw> Le lien est http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1401835
[23:10] <j0hndoe> Unit193, /dev/sda3: UUID="8e0b4d89-244d-4662-8b15-02a5f82520f0" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"
[23:10] <j0hndoe> /dev/sda1: UUID="b652aef8-b567-412f-be51-d0a16bc0a69e" TYPE="ext4"
[23:10] <j0hndoe> /dev/sda5: UUID="0e6a102a-7cb2-406e-b002-63fe08c6e126" TYPE="swap"
[23:11] <j0hndoe> Unit193, I installed puppy-linux on sda3
[23:13] <poluxcrs> Thanks Phillw i'm testing , I wish you all a good night
[23:15] <phillw> j0hndoe: pop onto #lubuntu-offtopic I will be there is a few minutes as Unit193 needs to head off for bed.
[23:16] <j0hndoe> phillw, ok