[00:02]  * h00k waits patiently for Compiz/Unity update to drop to us.archive.ubuntu
[00:02] <h00k> hey, there it was.
[00:07] <h00k> there we go.
[00:10] <Ian_Corne> fixed?
[00:13] <h00k> Yes
[00:13] <h00k> It also required a reboot, dbus was being odd.
[00:16] <penguin42> anyone else tried creating a vm with virt-manager?
[00:24] <Danny> hi
[00:26] <DanaG> Oh yeah, something I noticed about Unity: clicking the "dash" button doesn't give any obvious indication that it's been pushed.
[00:26] <DanaG> I don't expect it to open instantly, but I do expect it to be drawn in a "pushed" state.
[00:26] <DanaG> ... or else I just click it again.
[00:32] <bjsnider> DanaG, have you tried gnome-shell?
[00:34] <Danny> hi
[00:45] <IdleOne> I would like to be able to right click an icon and have the option to Add to Startup applications
[01:11] <jo-erlend> my gnome-settings-daemon goes insane. Uses 160% CPU-time now. How do I figure out why?
[01:12] <jo-erlend> oh. Perhaps... brb
[01:30] <DanaG> bjsnider: tried gnome-shell, and found that the window decoration theme doesn't work.
[02:00] <DanaG> hmm, anyone familiar with the sync tool, unison?
[02:00] <DanaG> I'm trying to use it with -repeat watch... and it keeps syncing folders not listed to sync!
[02:02] <IdleOne> I'm guessing it has some default config
[02:03] <IdleOne> never used it myself
[02:03] <DanaG> My config has its roots in the home dir on both ends, and lists only "pictures" and "documents" folders.  Yet, it's syncing EVERYTHING in home.
[02:07] <DanaG> hmm, whatever, I'll just add specific ignores.
[02:38] <Gredeu> i havea  video capture device that hasn't worked since lucid.  i've upgraded to oncelot 3.0.3 kernel and am wondering if the previously missing /dev/ mount points are back -- i know nothing about video capture
[02:45] <bjsnider> Gredeu, start gstreamer-properties, click the video tab and click the lowermost test button
[02:45] <bjsnider> assuming the device is plugged in that is
[02:53] <Gredeu> test input works but video for linux does not
[02:54] <Gredeu> perhaps its not plugged in
[02:56] <Gredeu> plugged in, do get a single frame of video output but on streamig
[02:56] <Gredeu> streamig
[02:57] <Gredeu> i'll assume another program will be fine.  how about video audio ?
[02:59] <Gredeu> i have no /dev/audio
[03:00] <bjsnider> does the device have audio capability?
[03:01] <Gredeu> it does sir
[03:01] <Gredeu> its not worked since lucid
[03:02] <DanaG> what even is /dev/audio?
[03:02] <DanaG> Is it OSS?
[03:02] <bjsnider> if it's just a microphone going to the mic plug that will work right away but if it has some built-in sound hardware then you should check the sound indicator in the hardware list
[03:03] <Gredeu> thank you bjsnider
[03:03] <bjsnider> you can also check what happens when you plug it in by running the dmesg command
[03:04] <DanaG> hmm, I just found an advantage (on Windows) to having headphone and speaker outputs be separate devices:
[03:04] <DanaG> With headphones plugged in, volume keys control headphone volume.
[03:04] <DanaG> With headphones unplugged, it controls speakers.
[03:04] <DanaG> Each maintains its own state!
[03:05] <DanaG> It'd be nice to get that in Linux.
[03:05] <bjsnider> you must be using either vista or win 7
[03:05] <DanaG> Yup, win7.
[03:05] <DanaG> With default driver.  OEM driver ties the two together.
[03:05] <bjsnider> well it uses a sound server just like linux and osx
[03:05] <DanaG> Oh, and I can play different things to headphones and speakers at the same time.
[03:05] <DanaG> I like PulseAudio.
[03:05] <DanaG> But ALSA doesn't currently expose multi-streaming.
[03:05] <bjsnider> there's no reason why pulse shouldn't be able to do all of that, and maybe it already does
[03:06] <DanaG> It can with two separate sound cards, but not with two outputs on the same sound card.
[03:06] <DanaG> It's an ALSA decision... it ties the two together.
[03:06] <bjsnider> i don't know why alsa would stop it
[03:06] <DanaG> Well, if there's only front:0 and no separate headphone:0, that'd stop it.
[03:06] <DanaG> There's only one output in ALSA>
[03:07] <bjsnider> on your system
[03:07] <DanaG> You can't get two outputs through one output.
[03:07] <DanaG> Maybe the new jack-detection will make multi-sttreaming worth supporting.
[03:08] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and ALSA can do two simultanous recording streams from two different inputs (or at least, it could last time I tried).... PulseAudio doesn't expose that, either.
[03:08] <DanaG> I do like PulseAudio, though... nice for dealing with USB sound card.
[03:08] <bjsnider> deals with mine great
[03:08] <DanaG> Music and videos to USB; web audio to onboard.  Get audio ad?  Hit mute, and it mutes the onboard.
[03:09] <DanaG> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/pulseaudio-bugs/2009-October/003261.html
[03:14] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/535453
[03:19] <DanaG> oh, and I can hard-lock my kernel if I unplug and replug the device several times really quickly.
[03:22] <IdleOne> lol
[05:46] <Onlyodin> In previous editions I've been able to set up additional locations in Time + Date settings, and have even been able to search for cities, etc.
[05:46] <Onlyodin> Is there a way to do this in oneiric?
[05:47] <bullgard4_> On my GNOME 3 why is there is no operating system user »couchdb«?
[05:48] <bullgard4_> Onlyodin: The answer to your question is Desktop Environment dependent.
[05:51] <Onlyodin> I'm using Gnome/Unity, but I think I've figured it out. What I was doing earlier wasn't doing anything, whereas now when I begin typing location names, it's doing a search and returning some results
[05:59] <Lynoure> My flashplugin is not installing, http://pastebin.com/hwQRqcn5 , is that a known problem?
[06:05] <urlin2u> Lynoure, yuo can get it automatically installed two ways, first the retricted-extras for your desktop, second by installing the flash aid addon in firefox.
[06:06] <Lynoure> urlin2u: this was a package pulled by Kubuntu's package manager
[06:06] <Lynoure> urlin2u: and it looks to be broken, to me
[06:06] <micahg> Lynoure: yes, there's a problem with flashplugin-installer ATM, workaround is to install flashplugin-installer:i386
[06:07] <urlin2u> Lynoure, I haven't used kubuntu but just add the flash aid addon and it will ask to be run on restart
[06:07] <urlin2u> or the one above, whichever works.
[06:07] <Lynoure> urlin2u: you can see the package name there, in the paste
[06:08] <Lynoure> micahg: thanks, I think I can wait :)
[06:08] <micahg> Lynoure: there's also been a bug with kubuntu installing flash before that idk if it's been tracked down either
[06:09] <urlin2u> Lynoure, sure but personally I use the easiest method, the addon or the restricted extras, in your case in the terminal sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras    this will cover other codecs you would use as well.
[06:11] <Lynoure> urlin2u: it uses something else than flashplugin-installer?
[06:11] <Lynoure> urlin2u: that sounds interesting
[06:11] <urlin2u> Lynoure, not sure it just install adobe flash, your over thinking it.
[06:11] <urlin2u> plenty more can break
[06:12] <Lynoure> urlin2u: doing what you told me, and it's using the same package...
[06:13] <Lynoure> urlin2u: my goal is not to make other things to break, just originally wanted to know whether to file a bug report :)
[06:13] <micahg> no, the restricted-addons uses flashplugin-installer
[06:14] <urlin2u> Lynoure, hehe the ubiquitous bug report, never bothered myself. ;-)
[06:14] <Lynoure> urlin2u: I see.
[06:14] <urlin2u> is it al installing?
[06:14] <Lynoure> urlin2u: one of the reasons I jump to +1 is to help
[06:14] <urlin2u> all
[06:15] <Lynoure> urlin2u: did you read the pastebin?
[06:15] <urlin2u> I'm not using it
[06:15] <urlin2u> today
[06:15] <Lynoure> urlin2u: well, http://pastebin.com/hwQRqcn5
[06:16] <Lynoure> urlin2u: sorry to break your pastebin diet =) It's just frustrating to explain the same things that are clearly there.
[06:17] <urlin2u> Lynoure, I read it originally a dpkg error, not sure what that means other then literally, or how to fix it, sorry
[06:17] <Lynoure> urlin2u: I would have been grateful to hear that in the beginning :)
[06:18] <urlin2u> Lynoure, okay, you get what you paid for here.
[06:18] <Lynoure> urlin2u: now for some minutes I have been expecting you to tell me how to patch it =)
[06:18] <Lynoure> urlin2u: not a complaint, just would have saved your time as well
[06:19] <urlin2u> Lynoure, others have suggested it is broken, what were your exspectations there.
[06:19] <Lynoure> urlin2u: after micahg said it's broken, that you know a workaround
[06:19] <urlin2u> Lynoure, this I have never seen, and the methods suggested work, when there are not problems, we don't all know every problem.
[06:20] <urlin2u> I didn't say I new a workaround I suggested the methods thatwork.
[06:20] <Lynoure> Sorry, I was just too hopeful :)
[06:22] <Lynoure> urlin2u: got same error with same packege with restricted extras, so next time you know that does not work either on 64bit (until it's fixed)
[06:22] <urlin2u> Lynoure, cool thanks.
[06:24] <urlin2u> Lynoure, let us know if you trey the add on it was put together by a person who is a regular on the ubuntu forums and is on top of this stuff.
[06:25] <Lynoure> urlin2u: I try to stick to standard stuff, as otherwise I have to do a lot more digging before filing any bugs on related stuff.
[06:26] <urlin2u> cool
[06:26] <Lynoure> There is another laptop with solid 11.04 on it still, after all :)
[06:26] <urlin2u> Lynoure, its your hard work which lets the rest of us coast. ;-)
[06:27] <urlin2u> thankless work
[06:27] <Lynoure> urlin2u: no, not mine.
[06:27] <Lynoure> urlin2u: I've never fixed anything for ubuntu
[06:27] <urlin2u> your following a good protocol though.
[06:28] <Lynoure> urlin2u: thanks.
[06:28] <urlin2u> ;-)
[07:47] <urlin2u> Lynoure, you still here?
[08:18] <guy> Morning all
[08:19] <Guest47339> I did a clean install of oneiric yesterday
[08:22] <guyvs> If I change settings like my keyboard layout, they disappear on reboot
[08:22] <guyvs> and I can't change my fonts anywhere
[08:26] <Lynoure> urlin2u: (delay) I stay here idle even when I'm elsewhere, but most of the time I don't follow actively
[08:27] <urlin2u> Lynoure, not sure you would be interested but the sevenmachines ppa has a 64 bit flash working
[08:28] <urlin2u> just passing the info
[08:28] <Lynoure> urlin2u: thanks, that probably means it will get fixed in ubuntu+1 proper soon :)
[08:28] <urlin2u> probably so it was working earlier I believe.
[08:32]  * guyvs is going to reinstall natty
[08:39] <bullgard4_> Oneiric provides by default a "Guest Account". What can I do under this account, and what can I not do under this account?
[08:43] <urlin2u> bullgard4, no sudo
[08:48] <topyli> i think it also has very restricted access to the filesystem, and lives confined to a temporary home directory
[08:49] <topyli> or at least that was the plan at some point :)
[09:37] <vega__> is unity + dual screen ANY better in oneiric compared to natty? (which dual screen support is mostly crap)
[09:39] <jtaylor> I had no problems with dual screen in natty
[09:40] <jtaylor> no idea about oneiric because its broken since weeks for me :/
[09:40] <jtaylor> forced to use unity 2d where metacity crashes two times a day ._.
[09:41] <bullgard4_>  topyli What do you mean by: "The Guest Account lives confined to a temporary home directory"?
[09:52] <topyli> bullgard4_: any files are written into tmpfs and deleted at logout. no access to the real filesystem
[09:52] <bullgard4_> topyli: Ah! Thank you.
[09:53] <jtaylor> its a tmpfs? does it have limits on usage?
[09:53] <jtaylor> else its a nice way to dos
[09:53] <topyli> i hope so
[09:55] <bullgard4_> topyli: Do you know by chance why I have to type in the guest account the  password of my main user account at regular intervals although I do not have to type a password at the beginning?
[09:56] <bullgard4_> beginning = guest account login time
[09:56] <topyli> sounds like a bug
[09:56] <bullgard4_> hm
[09:56] <topyli> why would your guests know your password?
[09:57] <bullgard4_> Yes. This is an importantant argument indeed.
[09:59] <bullgard4_> topyli: The guest account's prompt for my password explains: "Authentication Required. The system policies prevent processing of network settings for all users."
[10:00] <Ian_Corne> jtaylor: by default, tmpfs "partitions" are 2gb in size i think
[10:00] <jtaylor> login with multiple guest accounts possible?
[10:01] <Ian_Corne> try it, i don't know
[10:01] <topyli> bullgard4_: that's gnome-keyring i suppose. you've setup something globally when using your own account, and it somehow travels to the guest account
[10:01] <topyli> or something. i don't know, i've never even tried to guest account stuff
[10:03] <bullgard4_> topyli: I dared or endeavoured to test this default guest account a bit. May be I can put it to good use.
[10:06] <topyli> it's good to have for when your laptop is stolen. the thief should have an easy way to login and use the internet, so that my laptop can start phoning home location, and sending mugshots of the thief :)
[10:06] <bullgard4_> topyli: Somehow my main account and this default guest account are liinked together: I was surprised that the Tilda program in the guest account is ready for use although I did not install its DEB program package. The same applies to mysql.
[10:07] <topyli> apparently you installed them system-wide, not sandboxed in your home directory
[10:08] <bullgard4_> topyli: Well, '~$ which tilda; /usr/bin/tilda'.
[10:09] <topyli> there you go
[10:34] <topyli> hrm. my screen has recently started to go blank again when i close the laptop lid
[10:35] <topyli> can't figure out what's changed, i still have the action set to 'nothing'
[10:36] <Lynoure> topyli: Is that bad, if it recovers?
[10:36] <topyli> Lynoure: it does recover, but it's bad when i have an external monitor and would like to work
[10:37] <Lynoure> topyli: I'm kind of under the impression that in some laptops that what happens, no matter what you set it as (but in yours at least, clearly not)
[10:37] <Lynoure> topyli: with mine, with 11.04 both go blank, I open it, it recovers, close it again and only the laptop goes blank, not the external
[10:38] <Lynoure> a tad annoying extra move, but better than fail.
[10:38] <topyli> mine consistently blanks
[10:38] <Lynoure> topyli: that sucks
[10:40] <topyli> there's a new gsettings key, org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power/lid-close-ac-action. setting that to 'nothing' worked in gnome 3.0 but in the latest unstable releases, it's being ignored
[10:42] <topyli> oh well. maybe it's just a regression and will be fixed
[10:43] <Lynoure> topyli: check if there is a bug filed?
[10:45] <topyli> Lynoure: searching right now :)
[11:02] <topyli> Lynoure: live and learn. the external monitor wakes up again if i simply move the (external) mouse :)
[11:17] <topyli> Lynoure: in fact i can even leave it to the default 'suspend', and it won't suspend if there's an external monitor. in other words, it works just as designed
[11:22] <Lynoure> topyli: s/designed/desired/ ? :)
[11:24] <topyli> Lynoure: designed :)
[11:24] <Lynoure> well, that's good. and then when you detact the external monitor, it immediately suspends?
[11:27] <topyli> Lynoure: apparently not. i just did that, waited a bit, opened the lid, and had the display on laptop
[11:31] <Lynoure> Ok, seems kind of sane.
[11:32] <Lynoure> Have to remember that
[11:34] <topyli> no warranty beyond this particular laptop of course, some will work and some won't, i'm afraid
[11:40] <drussell> topyli: can you do me a favour and test something for me?
[11:40] <drussell> topyli: can you try and disable the laptop screen so you just get the output on the external monitor?
[11:41] <drussell> topyli: I've got an open bug I'm trying to get more reproducers for...
[11:41] <drussell> topyli:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/828623
[11:52] <psalden> hey, I was wondering... pidgin doesn't seem to be working right with the messages indicator. Setting status works, but there's no way to re-open the contact list. Is this work in progress, am I doing something wrong, or?
[11:55] <Onlyodin> In the last couple of days pidgin has disappeared from the messages indicator menu altogether - on my machine that is.
[12:05] <topyli> drussell: sorry, but works for me. can't reproduce
[12:05] <topyli> (in fact that's my regular setup)
[12:06] <zhiwei> today, when I update my ubuntu11.10,I can't use unity,but can use unity2D.
[12:29] <drussell> topyli: are you using vga or dvi/hdmi/displayport
[12:29] <drussell> topyli: because I think that makes a difference...
[12:29] <topyli> drussell: vga. just thinking about adding a comment just in case it turns out to be relevant
[12:30] <drussell> topyli: yeah, mine is displayport
[12:31] <drussell> topyli: which I think gets treated differently
[12:31] <topyli> left one in any case, no harm either way
[12:31] <drussell> topyli: thanks
[12:32] <drussell> topyli: and that's 11.10?
[12:32] <topyli> drussell: yep, up to date as of this morning
[12:33] <drussell> topyli: great thanks
[12:33] <topyli> np
[14:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:49] <h00k> wait a minute, do I not have global menus?
[14:49] <h00k> I do, just not for gnome-terminal
[14:50] <h00k> is this normal?
[14:51] <Ian_Corne> i do
[14:51] <Ian_Corne> so, i'd guess no?
[14:51] <h00k> huh.
[14:52] <h00k> I wonder how I get that back
[14:53] <BluesKaj> hmm kde here, kb & mouse keep freezing on my other pc, shortly after login
[14:53] <BluesKaj> unresponsive
[14:54] <drussell> BluesKaj: ctrl+alt+F1 get you to a console?
[14:54] <BluesKaj> better reboot to a tty
[14:55] <BluesKaj> yeah , drussell...gonna try it now
[15:14] <BluesKaj> ok, did an update/upgrade at the recovery kernel and all seems fine now ....ssh'd into the other pc and it responds properly to keyboard commands from this pc
[15:26] <Ian_Corne> my usb ports just don't anything anymore on my laptop :p
[15:28] <BluesKaj> lsusb doesn't show anything , Ian_Corne ?
[15:29] <Ian_Corne> hmm it does
[15:29] <Ian_Corne> also it discoverd my stick now
[15:30] <Ian_Corne> aha, 2 usb slots don't
[15:30] <Ian_Corne> 1 does
[15:30] <Ian_Corne> the one that works is an esata/usb combo :p
[15:30] <BluesKaj> weird , I encounbtered that the other day too
[15:32] <Ian_Corne> where do i change the automated action for when a usb device is plugged in?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> notifier /
[15:34] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> device notifier , maybe, or at least the file browser
[15:48] <Ian_Corne> h00k: i don't even have any borders for my gnome-terminal atm
[15:48] <Ian_Corne> same with eclipse..
[15:48] <h00k> Ian_Corne: that's fin :)
[15:48] <h00k> *fun, rather
[15:48] <Ian_Corne> well, there's no window controls either :p
[15:49] <Ian_Corne> does work on chromium but it's not using the systme borders
[15:49] <Ian_Corne> yep they're gone when i enable them
[15:53] <Chipaca> Ian_Corne: run unity-window-decorator
[15:54] <Chipaca> or gtk-window-decorator
[15:54] <Ian_Corne> aha
[15:54] <Ian_Corne> thanks :D
[15:54] <Chipaca> not sure of the difference, but one of those will work
[15:54] <Ian_Corne> the unity one worked
[15:54] <Chipaca> the other will eat all your memory and burn your savings on horses
[15:55] <Chipaca> or was it that one eat all your memory, and the other ... i don't know any more.
[15:55] <SpamapS> So, I'm still dealing with Unity 2d's panel service crashing constantly. Has anyone else seen this?
[16:11] <amitrana> Hi, I just upgraded to 11.10 from 11.04 and my skype stopped working. it gives error "skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXss.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" . can anyone help me how can I fix it? These libraries are present
[16:11] <terry_> Did you do a search for libXss.so.1
[16:12] <amitrana> yes it gives this "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libXss.so.1.0.0
[16:12] <amitrana> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libXss.so.1"
[16:12] <terry_> amitrana: ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libXss.so.1 /usr/lib/
[16:13] <terry_> amitrana: Oh wait.... It's a 64 bit system.
[16:13] <amitrana> yes I did that and got "skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXss.so.1: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64"
[16:13] <terry_> was it 64 bit before?
[16:13] <terry_> Was skype working before?
[16:13] <amitrana> yes earlier I had 11.04 64
[16:14] <amitrana> and it was working then. This morning I did update-manager -d and upgraded
[16:15] <terry_> well, skype is more-than-likely looking in the wrong place for it.  Run skype from terminal and see if you get a clue.
[16:15] <amitrana> yes I am trying from terminal only now and it was complaining about libXss. Do I have to downgrade to 11.04? or is there any easier/shorter way? :) I am not an expert, just a user.
[16:16] <terry_> amitrana: Try installing  libxss1
[16:17] <amitrana> ok will try now. thanks.
[16:17] <terry_> or see if it is there for 11.10
[16:18] <terry_> apt-cache search libxss
[16:18] <amitrana> I searched in synaptic, it shows its already installed. Let me try your command
[16:18] <Ian_Corne> !info libxss
[16:18] <Ian_Corne> !info libxss1
[16:18] <amitrana> got this: libxss-dev - X11 Screen Saver extension library (development headers)
[16:18] <amitrana> libxss1 - X11 Screen Saver extension library
[16:18] <terry_> apt-cache search libXss
[16:18] <amitrana> libxss1-dbg - X11 Screen Saver extension library (debug package)
[16:19] <amitrana> it gives exact same results as with libxss
[16:19] <terry_> apt-get install libxss-dev
[16:20] <amitrana> terry_: ok, doing that.
[16:20] <terry_> libxss1-dbg
[16:21] <terry_> adn ^^
[16:21] <terry_> *and
[16:22] <amitrana> ok, installed both but skype still complains
[16:22] <terry_> getlibs -32 libXss.so.1
[16:22] <terry_> getlibs -64 libXss.so.1
[16:22] <terry_> sorry...
[16:22] <terry_> type
[16:22] <terry_> typo
[16:22] <Pici> This is probably related to the multiarch migration
[16:22] <terry_> I donno
[16:22] <terry_> try: getlibs -64 libXss.so.1
[16:23] <amitrana> ok. I dont have getlibs, getting it.
[16:25] <terry_> I know this is old and outdated info, but may still be useful info.  Go to bottom 1/4 or so of the page:  http://divyad.wordpress.com/2007/11/11/install-skype-20-beta-on-ubuntu-gutsy710-amd64/
[16:25] <terry_> I'm not finding anything else, so...
[16:26] <amitrana> getlibs says I already have newest version
[16:26] <terry_> I said that wrong, the top 1/4 of the page
[16:26] <terry_> Forgive me.  My brain seems to malfunction.
[16:27] <terry_> What version of skype is it?
[16:27] <terry_> And where did you download from?
[16:27] <amitrana> i got it from skype website only, the latest one. I think it was 2.2.1 or something, let me check
[16:28] <amitrana> yes, skype-ubuntu_2.2.0.35-1_amd64.deb is what I got
[16:28] <amitrana> one basic question, if i downgrade to 11.04 now, what all do i lose?
[16:28] <Pici> Downgrading is not supported.
[16:28] <amitrana> ah nice :)
[16:30] <amitrana> By the way, is this a bug? or just work in progress so I should just wait for updates?
[16:30] <terry_> http://www.skype.com/intl/en/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/
[16:30] <terry_> You'd have to talk to the folks at skype about that.
[16:31] <amitrana> hmm. ok I will try but I guess they will ask me to wait for 11.10 final release.
[16:31] <terry_> http://www.skype.com/intl/en/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/downloading.ubuntu64
[16:32] <terry_> That is latest ^^^  and may be what you already what you have now.
[16:32] <amitrana> terry_ : Thanks, thats where I downloaded it earlier.
[16:34] <terry_> I suppose it's off to ubuntu beta forum
[16:35] <terry_> But  you can tinker with it some more and maybe find a clue.  Maybe someone else on here has some idea, but that's all I have.
[16:35] <amitrana> terry_: Thanks a lot, really appreciate your time.
[17:24] <billybigrigger_> so is fglrx with jockey completely borked or what?
[17:27] <charlie-tca> AFAIK, jockey is broken for everything - bug 831447
[17:28] <charlie-tca> and since the bot appears broken:
[17:28] <charlie-tca> jockey-backend crashed with MemoryError in run_dbus_service()
[17:28] <charlie-tca> in progress as a critical bug
[17:28] <AlanBell> using unity how can I browse my installed applications by category in Oneiric?
[17:28] <AlanBell> so I want to see all the graphics applications I have installed and run one of them
[17:29] <charlie-tca> Doesn't software center do something like that?
[17:29]  * charlie-tca doesn't use unity
[17:29] <AlanBell> software centre is for stuff I don't have
[17:29] <charlie-tca> I thought it also has a "installed software" category
[17:30] <AlanBell> I am trying to use unity, but I can't find and run applications I have on my computer, which is kind of fundamental
[17:30] <charlie-tca> I see
[17:31] <AlanBell> in Natty there was a dropdown in the applications lens for changing category, pretty horrible but it kind of worked
[17:31] <AlanBell> but would do crazy stuff like show me 6 of the 20 applications I have in a category, plus try to sell me another 6 from the software centre
[17:33] <AlanBell> ideally I would like to replace the dash which is almost entirely useless with an applications lens that shows me all the stuff I have grouped into categories
[17:34] <AlanBell> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-lens-applications/trunk/view/head:/src/daemon.vala#L170 there is clearly code in it that knows about categories in some way
[17:36] <astraljava> Anybody have a working oneiric schroot config handy? I can't seem to get mine working, it falls back to / and groups says it cannot find gid 1000.
[18:12] <nperry> Anyone else getting the bzip errors?
[18:15] <terry_> nperry: What error?
[18:17] <nperry> http://pastebin.com/kmYPFD5H
[18:26] <billybigrigger_> nperry, nope, what command are you running?
[18:28] <nperry> naptitude update
[18:28] <nperry> just not seen it before
[18:28] <nperry> another update didn't give the same error
[18:28] <nperry> maybe a baddownload on my half
[18:47] <billybigrigger_> did that last compiz update break anyones system?
[18:48] <h00k> billybigrigger_: today's or yesterday's?
[18:48] <billybigrigger_> today's
[18:48] <BluesKaj> compiz ... why bother with it ?
[18:48] <h00k> Haven't done it yet, maybe I should wait.
[18:49] <billybigrigger_> synaptic won't launch for me either now...."Problem cannot be reported....you have obsolete package versions installed. Please upgrade the following packages and check if the problem still occurs: synaptic, libcups2"
[18:50] <billybigrigger_> synaptic:
[18:50] <billybigrigger_>   Installed: 0.75.2ubuntu1
[18:50] <billybigrigger_>   Candidate: 0.75.2ubuntu6
[18:50] <billybigrigger_> libcups2:
[18:50] <billybigrigger_>   Installed: 1.5.0-4
[18:50] <billybigrigger_>   Candidate: 1.5.0-5
[18:51] <DanaG> Compiz is useful and nice, once tweaked to not be stupid.
[18:51] <burner> is flash broken or just me?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/674053/
[18:52] <billybigrigger_> no tweaking done here, still a stock .10 install, besides the fact of installing xchat
[18:52] <billybigrigger_> burner, i use SevenMachines flash11 from his ppa
[18:53] <billybigrigger_> works like a dream on my .10 64 install
[18:53] <BluesKaj> burner, 64 bit ?
[18:53] <billybigrigger_> yup
[18:53] <burner> yep, 64-bit
[18:53] <billybigrigger_> https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash
[18:53] <BluesKaj> burner, ^
[18:55] <burner> hrm... i think i b0rked something :\
[18:55] <BluesKaj> burner, it's a known bug
[18:56] <billybigrigger_> finally got the new kernel update as of right now too...wonder what b0rkage that will bring :)
[18:58] <burner> woohoo... thanks amigos!  :)
[18:59] <billybigrigger_> np
[19:00] <BluesKaj> odd goings on with my other pc ,  hw freezes like KB and mouse etc ..updates/upgrades fix it for a while then kernel panics on the boot , until I upgrade again
[19:03] <billybigrigger_> what mouse theme do you all use?
[19:04] <billybigrigger_> i can't seem to get DMZ-White to list in gnome-tweak-tool
[19:05]  * BluesKaj thinks the pc is getting too old , kernel source hw drivers look like they're becoming iffy, from it's behaviour
[19:06] <billybigrigger_> how old is it?
[19:06] <BluesKaj> maybe it should be relegated back to windows
[19:06] <BluesKaj> 2006
[19:07] <billybigrigger_> that isn't old at all
[19:07] <BluesKaj> single core 64bit amd cpu and 2G ram
[19:07] <billybigrigger_> should be a great linux machine
[19:07] <BluesKaj> gawd I hope so
[19:08] <BluesKaj> not handling 11.10 very well , tho
[19:09] <billybigrigger_> most machines aren't :P
[19:09] <Ian_Corne> well we knew what we were getting into, gnome3, gtk updates 3.x kernel, it was bound to be a rough ride :)
[19:09] <billybigrigger_> any fglrx users here?
[19:09] <BluesKaj> no gnome here , I'm kde on all linux
[19:10] <Ian_Corne> billybigrigger_: me
[19:10] <billybigrigger_> i ran kde 4.5 when it first came out, on an arch install, i'm tempted to go back
[19:10] <Ian_Corne> it doesn't work for me on 3.0.0-9
[19:10] <Ian_Corne> using radeon is a breeze tho
[19:10] <billybigrigger_> Ian_Corne, which driver? 881 just came out today i think
[19:10] <Ian_Corne> oh
[19:10] <Ian_Corne> i'll check later
[19:10] <billybigrigger_> im stuck will gallium drivers, i havent been able to install fglrx yet
[19:11] <billybigrigger_> jockey has been holding me back, but i was reading today on a forum post that there is a fglrx-installer package in the repos, which i haven't been able to find... :(
[19:11] <billybigrigger_> how did you install your drivers?
[19:11] <Ian_Corne> well it was just there in the repos :p
[19:12] <billybigrigger_> hmmmm
[19:12] <billybigrigger_> not for me :( wtf
[19:13] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[19:13] <Ian_Corne> i'll check what repo
[19:13] <Ian_Corne> also later
[19:13] <Ian_Corne> when i'm at that computer
[19:13] <Ian_Corne> at my laptop with nvidia now
[19:14] <billybigrigger_> only repo i don't have enabled is source code
[19:24] <billybigrigger_> ubuntu 2d it is
[19:26] <DanaG> Too bad Radeon sucks so much power.
[19:26] <DanaG> That's a showstopper for me.
[19:26] <DanaG> So I need fglrx.
[19:26] <DanaG> Radeon uses like 10-20 more watts than fglrx.
[19:26] <DanaG> eh, probably 10.  Not 20.
[19:30] <Ian_Corne> billybigrigger_: but radeon works for normal ubuntu
[19:30] <Ian_Corne> I'm using a 6950, and it's supported
[19:31] <billybigrigger_> i have a 4200 hd on this laptop
[19:31] <billybigrigger_> and i can't find fglrx-installer in any of my repos
[19:34] <billybigrigger_> Ian_Corne, you have in it oneiric repos, or in a ppa somewhere?
[19:36] <Ian_Corne> oneiric
[19:36] <Ian_Corne> the x swat ppa only has 850
[19:36] <Ian_Corne> but as I said
[19:36] <Ian_Corne> it's not working
[19:36] <Ian_Corne> or at least I head it, removed it yesterday
[19:39] <billybigrigger_> fglrx package shows 881 now
[19:39] <billybigrigger_> maybe i'll just try and install it without the installer package
[19:40] <Ian_Corne> well, i've learned that jockey does alot behind the scenes for fglrx
[19:40] <Ian_Corne> so I don't know
[19:41] <Ian_Corne> jockey doesn't work for me atm
[19:44] <billybigrigger_> Ian_Corne, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1773851
[19:47] <billybigrigger_> everything went ok, dkms seems fine, going to reboot i guess :)
[19:48] <Ian_Corne> gl!
[19:54] <billybigrigger_> hmmm
[19:54] <billybigrigger_> Ian_Corne, when you open system info, what graphics driver does it list for you?
[19:56] <Ian_Corne> Gallium 0.4 on AMD CAYMAN
[19:57] <Ian_Corne> fglrx: Installed: (none) Candidate: 2:8.872-0ubuntu2
[19:57] <BUGabundo> evening peeps
[19:57] <Ian_Corne> hello BUGabundo
[19:58] <billybigrigger_> Ian_Corne, ok so your not even using fglrx
[20:00] <Ian_Corne> as I said
[20:00] <Ian_Corne> I removed it, because it was broken
[20:00] <Ian_Corne>   Candidate: 2:8.881-0ubuntu1
[20:00] <Ian_Corne> i could try it
[20:01] <Ian_Corne> but i cba to do all the manual steps atm
[20:01] <Ian_Corne> and jockey is still broken
[20:02] <billybigrigger_> well system info shows VESA for me
[20:02] <billybigrigger_> even with radeon.nomodeset=1 in grub
[20:03] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger_, try just nomodeset
[20:03] <billybigrigger_> BluesKaj, ill give er a go
[20:04] <billybigrigger_> grub won't list 3.0.0-9 either, even after finding the images... wtf
[20:04] <billybigrigger_> stuck on 3.0.0-7 still
[20:05] <BluesKaj> did you dist-upgrade?
[20:05] <billybigrigger_> no
[20:05] <billybigrigger_> just regular updates, i got 3.0.0-9 pushed to me via repos
[20:13] <billybigrigger_> glxgears reports 1000fps
[20:14] <billybigrigger_> nomodeset seems to work, but compiz is borked so im stuck with ubuntu 2d for now, can't really tell if things are working properly
[20:14] <Ian_Corne> you know
[20:14] <Ian_Corne> The framerate should be
[20:14] <Ian_Corne> approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
[20:14] <Ian_Corne> 302 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.377 FPS
[20:14] <Ian_Corne> with radeon
[20:15] <Ian_Corne> that's the only driver for which that sentence is actually true..
[20:16] <billybigrigger_> hmmm
[20:17] <BluesKaj> fr depends how much real estate the app takes up on thr scrn
[20:17] <billybigrigger_> i get an 8.8s test in gtkperf so i'm assuming i'm using the right driver and it's working, direct rendering reports yes....
[20:17] <billybigrigger_> can't test much more than that
[20:17] <billybigrigger_> well i was getting 300 fps before using gallium, 1000 using "fglrx" i hope, so i'm assuming the driver is working
[20:17] <Ian_Corne> /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
[20:18] <Ian_Corne> try that billybigrigger_
[20:18] <Ian_Corne> and that was probably 300 frames per 5 seconds
[20:18] <Ian_Corne> not fps i guess
[20:18] <billybigrigger_> unity_support_test doesn't exist there
[20:19] <billybigrigger_> its in /usr/lib/nux/ fyi :P
[20:19] <billybigrigger_> everything there checks out ok
[20:19] <billybigrigger_> now if i could just downgrade my compiz update from this morning i'd be happy :)
[20:20] <Ian_Corne> 22:17:56 < Ian_Corne> /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
[20:20] <Ian_Corne> that's what I said, no?
[20:20] <billybigrigger_> yes, i can't read hah :P
[20:20] <billybigrigger_> i read /usr/lib :P
[20:21] <Ian_Corne> :D ok
[20:26] <billybigrigger_> yeah, Ubuntu 2D (VESA) glxgears shows 400fps ~ 5s
[20:27] <billybigrigger_> in Ubuntu (RADEON????) it's over 1000fps ~ 5s, so i'm assuming the new 881 drivers than came down the pipe today are working properly...with "nomodeset" in my boot line
[20:27] <billybigrigger_> on 3.0.0-9
[20:27] <billybigrigger_> i had to edit my grub line and change 7 to 9 and add nomodeset manually although
[20:32] <BUGabundo> 467 frames in 5.0 seconds = 93.218 FPS
[20:36] <billybigrigger_> :)
[20:36] <billybigrigger_> what hardware are you using bug?
[20:39] <h00k> Banshee got through one song, barely, and then ate up memory and died.
[20:40] <billybigrigger_> so is dist-upgrade the new preferred way of updating broken packages in a testing cycle?
[20:44] <Ian_Corne> the alt tab thing is _REALLY_ annoying
[20:46] <billybigrigger_> eh?
[20:46] <billybigrigger_> alt-tabbing through apps is THE way to go bud :P
[20:47] <lenios_> wait, there's no other way?
[20:49] <Ian_Corne> I'm more then annoyed by this "feature"
[20:49] <billybigrigger_> it's always been there
[20:49] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger nvidia 8400
[20:49] <BUGabundo> its from 2008
[20:49] <BUGabundo> intel 8400, 2.4GHz
[20:49] <billybigrigger_> BUGabundo, not using nvidia's drivers are you?
[20:50] <BUGabundo> nouveau
[20:50] <BUGabundo> why?
[20:50] <billybigrigger_> what does gtkperf give you for a test time?
[20:50] <billybigrigger_> i hate glxgears, it's a POS "benchmarking" tool, like everyone uses it for
[20:51] <BUGabundo> sec
[20:51] <BUGabundo> installing
[20:51] <BUGabundo> in the mean time watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCk-Eyo3KU4
[20:52] <BUGabundo> Total time:  8.80
[20:53] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/674133/
[20:54] <billybigrigger_> finally i know what BUGabundo does on his weekends :P
[20:54] <Ian_Corne> Total time:  9.89
[20:55] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger LOL
[20:55] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: so I aint that bad
[20:55] <Ian_Corne> i'm on radeon
[20:55] <Ian_Corne> and on a much "better" card
[20:55] <Ian_Corne> so you're awesome!
[20:55] <Ian_Corne> :D
[20:55] <BUGabundo> :(
[20:56] <Ian_Corne> no i mean it
[20:56] <billybigrigger_> my radeon 4200 M gave me 8.8
[20:56] <Ian_Corne> radeon is supposed to be ebtter then nouveau
[20:56] <lenios_> is it a known bug that ttys are missing (ctrl+alt+fX) ?
[20:57] <lenios_> i don't really know how to get them back
[20:57] <BUGabundo> lenios_: WFM
[20:57] <lenios_> ?
[20:57] <yofel> lenios_: I have them, did you break init?
[20:58] <lenios_> break init?
[20:58] <Ian_Corne> wfm too
[20:58] <billybigrigger_> all is working here lenios_
[20:58] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne billybigrigger: can you guys add yours at https://plus.google.com/u/0/110546133384368429145/posts/4iYhvXHWGo4
[20:59] <lenios_> weird
[20:59] <yofel> lenios_: what happens if you run 'sudo service tty1 start' ?
[20:59] <lenios_> ttys are services?
[20:59] <yofel> well, they are started by init
[20:59] <lenios_> i mean, upstart services?
[20:59] <yofel> yes
[21:00] <Ian_Corne> 404. That´s an error
[21:00] <Ian_Corne> not found BUGabundo
[21:00] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: what's your g+ handler id?
[21:01] <billybigrigger_> anyone here using xchat? can't seem to follow weblinks in 11.10
[21:01] <billybigrigger_> is it just me?
[21:02] <RRRRube> billybigrigger,  No, I get that, there's a bug in launchpad
[21:02] <billybigrigger_> BUGabundo, you link is broken
[21:02] <yofel> right click -> open link in browser?
[21:02] <billybigrigger_> RRRRube, bug id?
[21:02] <RRRRube> hang on, I'll check
[21:02] <billybigrigger_> ty
[21:02] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger Ian_Corne:  your gmail !
[21:02] <billybigrigger_> yofel, yeah it doesn't work for me, i have to copy and paste the links the old fashioned way :)
[21:03] <BUGabundo> or Plus id
[21:03] <yofel> @_@
[21:05] <RRRRube> billybigrigger, here's the link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/827657
[21:05] <billybigrigger_> niiice
[21:05] <RRRRube> Beat ya, ubottu  :)
[21:08] <BUGabundo> did it work billybigrigger ?
[21:08] <yofel> lenios_: what happened?
[21:10] <billybigrigger_> yup BUGabundo
[21:10] <billybigrigger_> pasted my output on your link there
[21:11] <lenios_> i'm not sure where it broke, i need to do some more tests
[21:11] <BUGabundo> YAY
[21:11] <BUGabundo> now you Ian_Corne
[21:12] <yofel> lenios_: well, does starting the service do anything?
[21:12] <yofel> or restarting it?
[21:12] <lenios_> i can't tell you at the moment, i'm not in front of the machine
[21:12] <Ian_Corne> still 404 BUGabundo
[21:12] <yofel> ah k
[21:12] <billybigrigger_> anyone using this version of compiz as of today???
[21:12] <billybigrigger_> Version: 1:0.9.5.92+bzr2791-0ubuntu1
[21:12] <lenios_> thanks for your help though, i'll try it as soon as possible
[21:12] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger I'm on no 3d version :\
[21:12] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: I'm still waiting on your Plus id :P
[21:14] <Ian_Corne> guess it :p
[21:14] <RRRRube> billybigrigger,  I have that version (presumably after I updated tonight)
[21:14] <Ian_Corne> 106355347615911662717
[21:14] <billybigrigger_> RRRRube, all is working good for you?
[21:14] <BUGabundo> almost!
[21:14] <BUGabundo> I though it was 106355347615911662716
[21:14] <Ian_Corne> :p
[21:14] <billybigrigger_> i can't login to "Ubuntu" i have no unity, or window borders...im stuck using Ubuntu 2D
[21:15] <Ian_Corne> billybigrigger_: have you tried unity --reset ?
[21:15] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: refresh
[21:15] <billybigrigger_> Ian_Corne, no i haven't will try that right now
[21:15] <RRRRube> billybigrigger, Not really. Not sure if it's compiz or nvidia is my problem. I get blocks appearing on screen
[21:17] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: you've got 1.6K people in your circles?!
[21:17] <BUGabundo> no
[21:17] <BUGabundo> I have double that
[21:17] <BUGabundo> that's only what I choose to show
[21:17] <Ian_Corne> oh :p
[21:18] <Ian_Corne> many of my friends are still fb only
[21:18] <BUGabundo> meh
[21:18] <BUGabundo> how did that guy do 27 ????
[21:19] <lenios_> 3.2K people ?!
[21:19] <lenios_> how many are you adding each day to have that much
[21:20] <BUGabundo> none
[21:20] <BUGabundo> they are adding me
[21:20] <BUGabundo> dozens daily
[21:20] <BUGabundo> I keep removing ppl out of mine
[21:20] <Ian_Corne> :p
[21:20] <Ian_Corne> what kind of people do you have in there then?
[21:20] <BUGabundo> my main reading circle has ~500 pax. but most are inactive
[21:20] <BUGabundo> wb billybigrigger
[21:21] <billybigrigger_> unity --reset gives me the same problem
[21:21] <billybigrigger_> no left menu bar, or top menu bars
[21:21] <Ian_Corne> ok
[21:21] <BUGabundo> where?
[21:21] <Ian_Corne> run unity-window-decorator
[21:21] <Ian_Corne> if you can
[21:22] <Ian_Corne> it should give you something more
[21:22] <Ian_Corne> and try manually running the unity-panel too
[21:22] <billybigrigger_> 2d-panel?
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> no
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> ok there's no unity-panel thingy
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> :p
[21:23] <billybigrigger_> unity-panel-service
[21:23] <billybigrigger_> ?
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> I'm at a loss :D
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> try it
[21:23] <BUGabundo> anyone knows how I can get my bottom bar on gnome classic?
[21:23] <RRRRube> billybigrigger,  I haven't had those kinds of problems with the latest compiz, but then I haven't restarted or logged out yet :O
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> go to the right bottom corner
[21:23] <billybigrigger_> BUGabundo, i don't even have an option for gnome classic :P
[21:23] <BUGabundo> it's missing
[21:23] <BUGabundo> and only shows when using no 3D
[21:23] <BUGabundo> you need a package
[21:23] <BUGabundo> it was charlie-tca who told me
[21:24] <lenios_> package is still available?
[21:24] <billybigrigger_> yeah this compiz update totally borked my unity
[21:24] <billybigrigger_> ffs
[21:26] <DanaG> "fallback"?
[21:26] <DanaG> That's gnome-classic.
[21:26] <charlie-tca> huh?
[21:27] <charlie-tca> fallback in oneiric is not classic, it is unity-2d
[21:27] <charlie-tca> classic was in natty, and is a separate package now
[21:27] <DanaG> I mean, there's a package with "fallback" in the title.
[21:27] <DanaG> Maybe I am confused, after all.
[21:27] <DanaG> There's Unity 3D, Unity 2D, Gnome3, and what?
[21:27] <DanaG> Is classic still around?
[21:27] <lenios_> charlie-tca, does the separate packages works with oneiric gtk3 libs?
[21:27] <tensorpudding> gnome 3 has a fallback mode
[21:27] <charlie-tca> classic
[21:28] <tensorpudding> it vaguely behaves like gnome 2, i hear
[21:28] <lenios_> -s
[21:28] <charlie-tca> Won't work with gnome3 that I know of, no
[21:28] <lenios_> ubuntu 11.10 is shipping with gtk3 libs
[21:28] <DanaG> I hate this "stupid" stick so many developers have been hitting their projects with.
[21:28] <BUGabundo> ahaah poor DanaG
[21:28] <BUGabundo> :D
[21:28] <BUGabundo> I'm on classic 2D
[21:28] <DanaG> The "our users are knuckle-dragging neanderthals".
[21:28] <BUGabundo> i want 3D
[21:28] <BUGabundo> but the bottom bar is missing
[21:29] <DanaG> I haven't tried Gnome-Shell enough to hate it.
[21:29] <DanaG> But I did immediately notice that the maximized-window-title font is glaringly different from everything else.
[21:29] <Ian_Corne> it looks slick
[21:30] <ali1234> i really hate it when they mess up the fonts
[21:30] <ali1234> more fonts != better
[21:30] <DanaG> I like DejaVu.
[21:30] <tensorpudding> i hate it when linux users have some sort of adverse reaction to people trying to make the user experience better
[21:30] <DanaG> It'd even look nice in Windows, if it weren't bigger for the same font size.
[21:30] <ali1234> better for who?
[21:30] <DanaG> DejaVu is actually larger, for the same font size, than anything else.
[21:31] <DanaG> Better for people who like to have their desktops cluttered.
[21:31] <DanaG> Instead of being able to minimize.
[21:31] <Ian_Corne> change always requires adaption, and linux people are just very vocal people :)
[21:31] <Ian_Corne> they'll turn around
[21:32] <BUGabundo> tensorpudding: meh
[21:32] <BUGabundo> I have to recogneise there are a lot I liked over the years / cycles
[21:32] <tensorpudding> there are problems more than just the choice of desktop environment to fix to make the experience easier
[21:32] <BUGabundo> like the notification buubles
[21:32] <BUGabundo> I still miss persistent ones
[21:32] <DanaG> Oh, and closing lid, on laptop that's docked, while playing music.
[21:33] <BUGabundo> took me weeks to figure I had a wrong password on kmail
[21:33] <DanaG> Nosiree, we can't have that.  You get sleep.
[21:33] <BUGabundo> but....
[21:33] <BUGabundo> I still can't use the new WM
[21:33] <BUGabundo> alt-tab sucks
[21:33] <BUGabundo> no app listing
[21:34] <BUGabundo> etc
[21:34] <DanaG> I like my compiz with magic lamp, thank you very much.
[21:35] <DanaG> And my "slurpy" (vacuum) menu animations, set to a short-enough duration.
[21:36] <Ian_Corne> gnome-shell uses mutter, right?
[21:36] <Ian_Corne> or also compiz?
[21:37] <RRRRube> Has anyone got the unity plugin in CCSM working? I can't stand the launcher popping in and out and like to set it to Never autohide. But either nothing happens or compiz crashes. This worked in Narwhal just fine.
[21:37] <DanaG> http://www.christoph-wickert.de/blog/2011/06/25/gnome-developer-quote-of-the-day/
[21:37] <Ian_Corne> wfm RRRRube
[21:37] <Ian_Corne> but ccsm is very crashy
[21:37] <Ian_Corne> I got it working
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> anyone know how i can add more workspaces to gnome-shell?
[21:38] <RRRRube> Hmm, I think there's something screwy with my graphics all round.
[21:43] <billybigrigger_> hmmm
[21:43] <billybigrigger_> if you guys are having compiz problems...may i suggest this...http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1827943
[21:44] <billybigrigger_> seemed to work ok for me  so far :P got my unity and 3d working again
[21:44] <IdleOne> !info icc-profiles-free
[21:44] <Ian_Corne> billybigrigger_: ok but we're here to try out the version that releases with 11.10
[21:45] <billybigrigger_> yup
[21:45] <billybigrigger_> that would be the one\
[21:45] <Ian_Corne> i don't know how much help we are with using that one
[21:45] <billybigrigger_> The compiz team has made a new pre-release snapshot available for the general community to test before it’s made available in Oneiric.
[21:45] <Ian_Corne> aha
[21:46] <Ian_Corne> upgrading
[21:49] <IdleOne> dist-upgrade always scares me. it usually wants to remove the packages it sayd it will upgrade
[21:49] <IdleOne> says*
[21:49] <IdleOne> I am never sure what to do
[21:49] <RRRRube> I might give this a try tomorrow, tho the comments are a little offputting! But for wobbly windows, I'll try anything :)
[21:56] <billybigrigger_> this compiz pre-release seems to be ok, better than the latest version in the repos thats for sure
[22:00] <billybigrigger_> anyone here having problems with grub picking up the new -9 kernel?
[22:01] <billybigrigger_> seems im stuck manually editing the boot line on every restart
[22:01] <Ian_Corne> billybigrigger_: there must be something wrong
[22:01] <Ian_Corne> obiously
[22:01] <billybigrigger_> with what...
[22:01] <billybigrigger_> grub or compiz?
[22:01] <Ian_Corne> try running update-grub
[22:02] <billybigrigger_> done that
[22:02] <Ian_Corne> and it just doesn't see the kernel?
[22:02] <billybigrigger_> it picks up the image and initrd for -9 just fine, exits with no errors...
[22:02] <billybigrigger_> -9 just won't show up in the grub list upon boot
[22:03] <Ian_Corne> huh huh
[22:03] <Ian_Corne> all of a sudden
[22:03] <Ian_Corne> i've got an extra workspace
[22:03] <Ian_Corne> wtf
[22:03] <Ian_Corne> how did i get it..
[22:04] <Ian_Corne> aha
[22:04] <Ian_Corne> when all workspaces are full with windows
[22:04] <Ian_Corne> it makes an extra one
[22:04] <Ian_Corne> but I can only change between them in one line
[22:04] <Ian_Corne> not a grid
[22:04] <Ian_Corne> (gnome-shell
[22:06] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:06] <BUGabundo> don't you love to be in control?
[22:07] <Ian_Corne> well it feels weird that they'd go to a lineair approach..
[22:07] <Ian_Corne> most people are probably used to 4-9 workspaces by now
[22:08] <IdleOne> I use one workspace
[22:08] <IdleOne> only keep what I am using at the moment open
[22:08] <IdleOne> I might start my browser a thousand times a day
[22:08] <Ian_Corne> well, the life of a procastinator :p
[22:08] <Ian_Corne> work on the centre one
[22:08] <ali1234> lol
[22:08] <Ian_Corne> and all kinds of shit on the side
[22:09] <ali1234> most people don't even know what a workspace is
[22:09] <ali1234> and this is the kind of person gnome-shell is aimed at
[22:09] <IdleOne> please no cursing, hurts my eyes
[22:09] <IdleOne> and also is one of the rules
[22:11] <BUGabundo> I have usually 3
[22:11] <BUGabundo> even on Windows (sorry for the cursing) I use reguallry 2
[22:11] <Ian_Corne> windows has workspaces?
[22:12] <BUGabundo> with a MSFT power toy, yes
[22:12] <Ian_Corne> i never manage to stick around long enough to have multiple windows open
[22:12] <Ian_Corne> usually steam->anything or just aoe2
[22:12] <Ian_Corne> oh or samsung Kies crap
[22:14] <ali1234> why would you ever use kies
[22:14] <Ian_Corne> because CM isn't out (stable) yet for SGSII
[22:14] <Ian_Corne> :(
[22:14] <Ian_Corne> and it's the only way to update
[22:16] <ali1234> use odin
[22:16] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[22:16] <Ian_Corne> i'll check it out later
[22:17] <ali1234> kies won't even let me upgrade to 2.3
[22:17] <Ian_Corne> i'm at 2.3.3
[22:18] <astraljava> Has anyone been able to install from usb lately? And by lately I mean "less than 2 weeks ago."
[22:18] <BUGabundo> heymal or what ever is called
[22:18] <ali1234> heimdall?
[22:19] <Onlyodin> use me for what?
[22:19] <Ian_Corne> :D
[22:19] <astraljava> LOL
[22:36] <Ian_Corne> oh one more annoyance about the switcher now: It tabs cross workspaces...
[22:36] <Ian_Corne> and my laptop still has the old, good switcher
[22:36] <Ian_Corne> i want it back!
[22:40] <Ian_Corne> It's back! I had to disable switcher and enable static switcher
[22:41] <Ian_Corne> in between running unity --replace twice because any change to ccsm crashes it
[22:41] <Ian_Corne> :p
[22:41] <BUGabundo> RT @Reuters FLASH: Steve Jobs resigns as CEO of Apple
[22:42] <Ian_Corne> weird
[22:42] <Ian_Corne> i hope he's not ill
[22:46] <charlie-tca> Hasn't he been ill? cancer or liver or ??
[22:47] <Ian_Corne> yeah
[22:47] <Ian_Corne> but he's stepping down to be head of the board
[22:47] <Ian_Corne> so maybe it's not illness related
[22:47] <Ian_Corne> apple shares are gonan go down anyways probably
[22:53] <poolie> is it just me or is the panel broken in oneiric unity today (and yesterday)
[22:54] <Ian_Corne> poolie: i think billybigrigger_ has the same
[22:54] <Ian_Corne> or had
[22:54] <Ian_Corne> he installed compiz ppa and it worked then
[22:54] <billybigrigger_> yeah, it might work without the ppa
[22:55] <billybigrigger_> i went into ccsm and enabled the unity plugin because it wasnt loaded
[22:55] <billybigrigger_> poolie, try that before installing the new compiz from the ppa
[22:56] <poolie> heh, really
[22:56] <poolie> ok
[23:17] <poolie> so yes, the unity plugin had somehow got disabled
[23:17] <poolie> was'nt me
[23:17] <poolie> bug 833423
[23:38] <BUGabundo> anyone seeing my Plus posts on your stream?
[23:39] <billybigrigger_> BUGabundo, don't know about my stream but seeing a butt load of emails coming through from you :P
[23:39] <BUGabundo> mails??
[23:41] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: I set my stream to a certain circle, you just post to much for all circles :p
[23:41] <BUGabundo> I post mostly for one circle
[23:41] <BUGabundo> with 3k ppl in
[23:41] <BUGabundo> but can you see my posts or not?
[23:41] <Ian_Corne> yes
[23:41] <billybigrigger_> i just added to you my circle so i guess i'll start seeing you
[23:42] <BUGabundo> some see them, others don't
[23:42] <Ian_Corne> or no
[23:42] <Ian_Corne> There are no posts shared with you yet.
[23:42] <Ian_Corne> I see the gtkperf thing
[23:42] <BUGabundo> what is the last one you see?
[23:42] <Ian_Corne> I used to see all you posted
[23:42] <Ian_Corne> only the gtk thing
[23:42] <BUGabundo> you are in my circles
[23:42] <BUGabundo> and in my posting circle
[23:43] <BUGabundo> so you should see all
[23:43] <BUGabundo> please send feedback
[23:43] <BUGabundo> need to get this fix ASAP
[23:44] <billybigrigger_> post something again and ill see if i see it
[23:44] <billybigrigger_> i just added you to my circle like 2 mins ago
[23:44] <BUGabundo> I just did
[23:45] <Ian_Corne> btw BUGabundo
[23:45] <Ian_Corne> google will shut you down
[23:45] <Ian_Corne> if you don't use your real name
[23:45] <Ian_Corne> on google+
[23:45] <BUGabundo> nope
[23:45] <BUGabundo> I'm by the book
[23:45] <BUGabundo> the Profile manager said so
[23:45] <Ian_Corne> ok :p
[23:46] <billybigrigger_> BUGabundo, where am i supposed to be seeing your stuff?
[23:46] <Ian_Corne> either in 'incomming'
[23:46] <Ian_Corne> or just your stream
[23:47] <Ian_Corne> but this really isn't ubuntu+1 material :p
[23:47] <billybigrigger_> nothing in either of those places
[23:47] <BUGabundo> strem, if you have me cirfcled
[23:47] <billybigrigger_> Ian_Corne, i hear ya
[23:47] <Ian_Corne>  /join ubuntu-offtopic
[23:47] <Ian_Corne> you're not even there BUGabundo !
[23:48] <billybigrigger_> heh
[23:50] <billybigrigger_> whats with unity always changing colors?
[23:54] <billybigrigger_> anyone have a link to a step by step on installing windows AFTER ubuntu? need to get win7 installed on the gf's laptop before i leave for work
[23:55] <IdleOne> install it and then you need to reinstall grub2
[23:55] <IdleOne> !grub2
[23:55] <IdleOne> windows will eat the mbr by force.
[23:57] <urlin2u> IdleOne, just wait for the sp1 it does wonders to
[23:57] <IdleOne> wouldn't know, never tried/installed windows7
[23:57] <IdleOne> does sp1 kill mbr also?
[23:57] <urlin2u> got it cheap to help those using it
[23:57] <billybigrigger_> heh this is horrible, the things i do for love...
[23:58] <billybigrigger_> ok here goes wish me luck :P
[23:58] <urlin2u> yeah the sp1 did in my case It might be fixed now
[23:58] <urlin2u> the mbr is my specialty I just laughed
[23:59] <urlin2u> not a specialty per-say but dual booting is where I'm most experienced, although with limitations.