[00:02] * h00k waits patiently for Compiz/Unity update to drop to us.archive.ubuntu [00:02] hey, there it was. [00:07] there we go. [00:10] fixed? [00:13] Yes [00:13] It also required a reboot, dbus was being odd. [00:16] anyone else tried creating a vm with virt-manager? [00:24] hi [00:26] Oh yeah, something I noticed about Unity: clicking the "dash" button doesn't give any obvious indication that it's been pushed. [00:26] I don't expect it to open instantly, but I do expect it to be drawn in a "pushed" state. [00:26] ... or else I just click it again. [00:32] DanaG, have you tried gnome-shell? [00:34] hi [00:45] I would like to be able to right click an icon and have the option to Add to Startup applications === amblin_ is now known as amblin [01:11] my gnome-settings-daemon goes insane. Uses 160% CPU-time now. How do I figure out why? [01:12] oh. Perhaps... brb [01:30] bjsnider: tried gnome-shell, and found that the window decoration theme doesn't work. [02:00] hmm, anyone familiar with the sync tool, unison? [02:00] I'm trying to use it with -repeat watch... and it keeps syncing folders not listed to sync! [02:02] I'm guessing it has some default config [02:03] never used it myself [02:03] My config has its roots in the home dir on both ends, and lists only "pictures" and "documents" folders. Yet, it's syncing EVERYTHING in home. [02:07] hmm, whatever, I'll just add specific ignores. [02:38] i havea video capture device that hasn't worked since lucid. i've upgraded to oncelot 3.0.3 kernel and am wondering if the previously missing /dev/ mount points are back -- i know nothing about video capture [02:45] Gredeu, start gstreamer-properties, click the video tab and click the lowermost test button [02:45] assuming the device is plugged in that is [02:53] test input works but video for linux does not [02:54] perhaps its not plugged in [02:56] plugged in, do get a single frame of video output but on streamig [02:56] streamig [02:57] i'll assume another program will be fine. how about video audio ? [02:59] i have no /dev/audio [03:00] does the device have audio capability? [03:01] it does sir [03:01] its not worked since lucid [03:02] what even is /dev/audio? [03:02] Is it OSS? [03:02] if it's just a microphone going to the mic plug that will work right away but if it has some built-in sound hardware then you should check the sound indicator in the hardware list [03:03] thank you bjsnider [03:03] you can also check what happens when you plug it in by running the dmesg command [03:04] hmm, I just found an advantage (on Windows) to having headphone and speaker outputs be separate devices: [03:04] With headphones plugged in, volume keys control headphone volume. [03:04] With headphones unplugged, it controls speakers. [03:04] Each maintains its own state! [03:05] It'd be nice to get that in Linux. [03:05] you must be using either vista or win 7 [03:05] Yup, win7. [03:05] With default driver. OEM driver ties the two together. [03:05] well it uses a sound server just like linux and osx [03:05] Oh, and I can play different things to headphones and speakers at the same time. [03:05] I like PulseAudio. [03:05] But ALSA doesn't currently expose multi-streaming. [03:05] there's no reason why pulse shouldn't be able to do all of that, and maybe it already does [03:06] It can with two separate sound cards, but not with two outputs on the same sound card. [03:06] It's an ALSA decision... it ties the two together. [03:06] i don't know why alsa would stop it [03:06] Well, if there's only front:0 and no separate headphone:0, that'd stop it. [03:06] There's only one output in ALSA> [03:07] on your system [03:07] You can't get two outputs through one output. [03:07] Maybe the new jack-detection will make multi-sttreaming worth supporting. [03:08] Oh yeah, and ALSA can do two simultanous recording streams from two different inputs (or at least, it could last time I tried).... PulseAudio doesn't expose that, either. [03:08] I do like PulseAudio, though... nice for dealing with USB sound card. [03:08] deals with mine great [03:08] Music and videos to USB; web audio to onboard. Get audio ad? Hit mute, and it mutes the onboard. [03:09] http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/pulseaudio-bugs/2009-October/003261.html [03:14] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/535453 [03:14] Ubuntu bug 535453 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "USB-Audio CM106 USB Sound card causes weird errors in the logs" [Undecided,New] [03:19] oh, and I can hard-lock my kernel if I unplug and replug the device several times really quickly. [03:22] lol [05:46] In previous editions I've been able to set up additional locations in Time + Date settings, and have even been able to search for cities, etc. [05:46] Is there a way to do this in oneiric? [05:47] On my GNOME 3 why is there is no operating system user »couchdb«? [05:48] Onlyodin: The answer to your question is Desktop Environment dependent. [05:51] I'm using Gnome/Unity, but I think I've figured it out. What I was doing earlier wasn't doing anything, whereas now when I begin typing location names, it's doing a search and returning some results [05:59] My flashplugin is not installing, http://pastebin.com/hwQRqcn5 , is that a known problem? [06:05] Lynoure, yuo can get it automatically installed two ways, first the retricted-extras for your desktop, second by installing the flash aid addon in firefox. [06:06] urlin2u: this was a package pulled by Kubuntu's package manager [06:06] urlin2u: and it looks to be broken, to me [06:06] Lynoure: yes, there's a problem with flashplugin-installer ATM, workaround is to install flashplugin-installer:i386 [06:07] Lynoure, I haven't used kubuntu but just add the flash aid addon and it will ask to be run on restart [06:07] or the one above, whichever works. [06:07] urlin2u: you can see the package name there, in the paste [06:08] micahg: thanks, I think I can wait :) [06:08] Lynoure: there's also been a bug with kubuntu installing flash before that idk if it's been tracked down either [06:09] Lynoure, sure but personally I use the easiest method, the addon or the restricted extras, in your case in the terminal sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras this will cover other codecs you would use as well. [06:11] urlin2u: it uses something else than flashplugin-installer? [06:11] urlin2u: that sounds interesting [06:11] Lynoure, not sure it just install adobe flash, your over thinking it. [06:11] plenty more can break [06:12] urlin2u: doing what you told me, and it's using the same package... [06:13] urlin2u: my goal is not to make other things to break, just originally wanted to know whether to file a bug report :) === htorque_ is now known as htorque [06:13] no, the restricted-addons uses flashplugin-installer [06:14] Lynoure, hehe the ubiquitous bug report, never bothered myself. ;-) [06:14] urlin2u: I see. [06:14] is it al installing? [06:14] urlin2u: one of the reasons I jump to +1 is to help [06:14] all [06:15] urlin2u: did you read the pastebin? [06:15] I'm not using it [06:15] today [06:15] urlin2u: well, http://pastebin.com/hwQRqcn5 [06:16] urlin2u: sorry to break your pastebin diet =) It's just frustrating to explain the same things that are clearly there. [06:17] Lynoure, I read it originally a dpkg error, not sure what that means other then literally, or how to fix it, sorry [06:17] urlin2u: I would have been grateful to hear that in the beginning :) [06:18] Lynoure, okay, you get what you paid for here. [06:18] urlin2u: now for some minutes I have been expecting you to tell me how to patch it =) [06:18] urlin2u: not a complaint, just would have saved your time as well [06:19] Lynoure, others have suggested it is broken, what were your exspectations there. [06:19] urlin2u: after micahg said it's broken, that you know a workaround [06:19] Lynoure, this I have never seen, and the methods suggested work, when there are not problems, we don't all know every problem. [06:20] I didn't say I new a workaround I suggested the methods thatwork. [06:20] Sorry, I was just too hopeful :) [06:22] urlin2u: got same error with same packege with restricted extras, so next time you know that does not work either on 64bit (until it's fixed) [06:22] Lynoure, cool thanks. [06:24] Lynoure, let us know if you trey the add on it was put together by a person who is a regular on the ubuntu forums and is on top of this stuff. [06:25] urlin2u: I try to stick to standard stuff, as otherwise I have to do a lot more digging before filing any bugs on related stuff. [06:26] cool [06:26] There is another laptop with solid 11.04 on it still, after all :) [06:26] Lynoure, its your hard work which lets the rest of us coast. ;-) [06:27] thankless work [06:27] urlin2u: no, not mine. [06:27] urlin2u: I've never fixed anything for ubuntu [06:27] your following a good protocol though. [06:28] urlin2u: thanks. === MosquitoOo is now known as MaWaLe [06:28] ;-) === fasta__ is now known as fasta [07:47] Lynoure, you still here? [08:18] Morning all === guy is now known as Guest47339 [08:19] I did a clean install of oneiric yesterday === Guest47339 is now known as guyvs [08:22] If I change settings like my keyboard layout, they disappear on reboot [08:22] and I can't change my fonts anywhere === thade_w is now known as Alexia_Death_ [08:26] urlin2u: (delay) I stay here idle even when I'm elsewhere, but most of the time I don't follow actively [08:27] Lynoure, not sure you would be interested but the sevenmachines ppa has a 64 bit flash working [08:28] just passing the info [08:28] urlin2u: thanks, that probably means it will get fixed in ubuntu+1 proper soon :) [08:28] probably so it was working earlier I believe. [08:32] * guyvs is going to reinstall natty [08:39] Oneiric provides by default a "Guest Account". What can I do under this account, and what can I not do under this account? [08:43] bullgard4, no sudo [08:48] i think it also has very restricted access to the filesystem, and lives confined to a temporary home directory [08:49] or at least that was the plan at some point :) [09:37] is unity + dual screen ANY better in oneiric compared to natty? (which dual screen support is mostly crap) [09:39] I had no problems with dual screen in natty [09:40] no idea about oneiric because its broken since weeks for me :/ [09:40] forced to use unity 2d where metacity crashes two times a day ._. [09:41] topyli What do you mean by: "The Guest Account lives confined to a temporary home directory"? [09:52] bullgard4_: any files are written into tmpfs and deleted at logout. no access to the real filesystem [09:52] topyli: Ah! Thank you. [09:53] its a tmpfs? does it have limits on usage? [09:53] else its a nice way to dos [09:53] i hope so [09:55] topyli: Do you know by chance why I have to type in the guest account the password of my main user account at regular intervals although I do not have to type a password at the beginning? [09:56] beginning = guest account login time [09:56] sounds like a bug [09:56] hm [09:56] why would your guests know your password? [09:57] Yes. This is an importantant argument indeed. [09:59] topyli: The guest account's prompt for my password explains: "Authentication Required. The system policies prevent processing of network settings for all users." [10:00] jtaylor: by default, tmpfs "partitions" are 2gb in size i think [10:00] login with multiple guest accounts possible? [10:01] try it, i don't know [10:01] bullgard4_: that's gnome-keyring i suppose. you've setup something globally when using your own account, and it somehow travels to the guest account [10:01] or something. i don't know, i've never even tried to guest account stuff [10:03] topyli: I dared or endeavoured to test this default guest account a bit. May be I can put it to good use. [10:06] it's good to have for when your laptop is stolen. the thief should have an easy way to login and use the internet, so that my laptop can start phoning home location, and sending mugshots of the thief :) [10:06] topyli: Somehow my main account and this default guest account are liinked together: I was surprised that the Tilda program in the guest account is ready for use although I did not install its DEB program package. The same applies to mysql. [10:07] apparently you installed them system-wide, not sandboxed in your home directory [10:08] topyli: Well, '~$ which tilda; /usr/bin/tilda'. [10:09] there you go [10:34] hrm. my screen has recently started to go blank again when i close the laptop lid [10:35] can't figure out what's changed, i still have the action set to 'nothing' [10:36] topyli: Is that bad, if it recovers? [10:36] Lynoure: it does recover, but it's bad when i have an external monitor and would like to work [10:37] topyli: I'm kind of under the impression that in some laptops that what happens, no matter what you set it as (but in yours at least, clearly not) [10:37] topyli: with mine, with 11.04 both go blank, I open it, it recovers, close it again and only the laptop goes blank, not the external [10:38] a tad annoying extra move, but better than fail. [10:38] mine consistently blanks [10:38] topyli: that sucks [10:40] there's a new gsettings key, org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power/lid-close-ac-action. setting that to 'nothing' worked in gnome 3.0 but in the latest unstable releases, it's being ignored [10:42] oh well. maybe it's just a regression and will be fixed [10:43] topyli: check if there is a bug filed? [10:45] Lynoure: searching right now :) [11:02] Lynoure: live and learn. the external monitor wakes up again if i simply move the (external) mouse :) [11:17] Lynoure: in fact i can even leave it to the default 'suspend', and it won't suspend if there's an external monitor. in other words, it works just as designed [11:22] topyli: s/designed/desired/ ? :) [11:24] Lynoure: designed :) [11:24] well, that's good. and then when you detact the external monitor, it immediately suspends? [11:27] Lynoure: apparently not. i just did that, waited a bit, opened the lid, and had the display on laptop [11:31] Ok, seems kind of sane. [11:32] Have to remember that [11:34] no warranty beyond this particular laptop of course, some will work and some won't, i'm afraid [11:40] topyli: can you do me a favour and test something for me? [11:40] topyli: can you try and disable the laptop screen so you just get the output on the external monitor? [11:41] topyli: I've got an open bug I'm trying to get more reproducers for... [11:41] topyli: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/828623 === nyuszika7h is now known as somebody [11:41] Ubuntu bug 828623 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome control centre does not allow you to disable the laptop screen while leaving an external connected screen working" [Undecided,Confirmed] === somebody is now known as nyuszika7h [11:52] hey, I was wondering... pidgin doesn't seem to be working right with the messages indicator. Setting status works, but there's no way to re-open the contact list. Is this work in progress, am I doing something wrong, or? [11:55] In the last couple of days pidgin has disappeared from the messages indicator menu altogether - on my machine that is. [12:05] drussell: sorry, but works for me. can't reproduce [12:05] (in fact that's my regular setup) [12:06] today, when I update my ubuntu11.10,I can't use unity,but can use unity2D. [12:29] topyli: are you using vga or dvi/hdmi/displayport [12:29] topyli: because I think that makes a difference... [12:29] drussell: vga. just thinking about adding a comment just in case it turns out to be relevant [12:30] topyli: yeah, mine is displayport [12:31] topyli: which I think gets treated differently [12:31] left one in any case, no harm either way [12:31] topyli: thanks [12:32] topyli: and that's 11.10? [12:32] drussell: yep, up to date as of this morning [12:33] topyli: great thanks [12:33] np === MosquitoOo is now known as MaWaLe [14:08] Hiyas all [14:49] wait a minute, do I not have global menus? [14:49] I do, just not for gnome-terminal [14:50] is this normal? [14:51] i do [14:51] so, i'd guess no? [14:51] huh. [14:52] I wonder how I get that back [14:53] hmm kde here, kb & mouse keep freezing on my other pc, shortly after login [14:53] unresponsive [14:54] BluesKaj: ctrl+alt+F1 get you to a console? [14:54] better reboot to a tty [14:55] yeah , drussell...gonna try it now [15:14] ok, did an update/upgrade at the recovery kernel and all seems fine now ....ssh'd into the other pc and it responds properly to keyboard commands from this pc [15:26] my usb ports just don't anything anymore on my laptop :p [15:28] lsusb doesn't show anything , Ian_Corne ? [15:29] hmm it does [15:29] also it discoverd my stick now [15:30] aha, 2 usb slots don't [15:30] 1 does [15:30] the one that works is an esata/usb combo :p [15:30] weird , I encounbtered that the other day too [15:32] where do i change the automated action for when a usb device is plugged in? [15:34] notifier / [15:34] ? [15:35] device notifier , maybe, or at least the file browser [15:48] h00k: i don't even have any borders for my gnome-terminal atm [15:48] same with eclipse.. [15:48] Ian_Corne: that's fin :) [15:48] *fun, rather [15:48] well, there's no window controls either :p [15:49] does work on chromium but it's not using the systme borders [15:49] yep they're gone when i enable them [15:53] Ian_Corne: run unity-window-decorator [15:54] or gtk-window-decorator [15:54] aha [15:54] thanks :D [15:54] not sure of the difference, but one of those will work [15:54] the unity one worked [15:54] the other will eat all your memory and burn your savings on horses [15:55] or was it that one eat all your memory, and the other ... i don't know any more. [15:55] So, I'm still dealing with Unity 2d's panel service crashing constantly. Has anyone else seen this? [16:11] Hi, I just upgraded to 11.10 from 11.04 and my skype stopped working. it gives error "skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXss.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" . can anyone help me how can I fix it? These libraries are present [16:11] Did you do a search for libXss.so.1 [16:12] yes it gives this "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libXss.so.1.0.0 [16:12] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libXss.so.1" [16:12] amitrana: ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libXss.so.1 /usr/lib/ [16:13] amitrana: Oh wait.... It's a 64 bit system. [16:13] yes I did that and got "skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXss.so.1: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64" [16:13] was it 64 bit before? [16:13] Was skype working before? [16:13] yes earlier I had 11.04 64 [16:14] and it was working then. This morning I did update-manager -d and upgraded [16:15] well, skype is more-than-likely looking in the wrong place for it. Run skype from terminal and see if you get a clue. [16:15] yes I am trying from terminal only now and it was complaining about libXss. Do I have to downgrade to 11.04? or is there any easier/shorter way? :) I am not an expert, just a user. [16:16] amitrana: Try installing libxss1 [16:17] ok will try now. thanks. [16:17] or see if it is there for 11.10 [16:18] apt-cache search libxss [16:18] I searched in synaptic, it shows its already installed. Let me try your command [16:18] !info libxss [16:18] Package libxss does not exist in oneiric [16:18] !info libxss1 [16:18] libxss1 (source: libxss): X11 Screen Saver extension library. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.2.1-2 (oneiric), package size 8 kB, installed size 72 kB [16:18] got this: libxss-dev - X11 Screen Saver extension library (development headers) [16:18] libxss1 - X11 Screen Saver extension library [16:18] apt-cache search libXss [16:18] libxss1-dbg - X11 Screen Saver extension library (debug package) [16:19] it gives exact same results as with libxss [16:19] apt-get install libxss-dev [16:20] terry_: ok, doing that. [16:20] libxss1-dbg [16:21] adn ^^ [16:21] *and [16:22] ok, installed both but skype still complains [16:22] getlibs -32 libXss.so.1 [16:22] getlibs -64 libXss.so.1 [16:22] sorry... [16:22] type [16:22] typo [16:22] This is probably related to the multiarch migration [16:22] I donno [16:22] try: getlibs -64 libXss.so.1 [16:23] ok. I dont have getlibs, getting it. [16:25] I know this is old and outdated info, but may still be useful info. Go to bottom 1/4 or so of the page: http://divyad.wordpress.com/2007/11/11/install-skype-20-beta-on-ubuntu-gutsy710-amd64/ [16:25] I'm not finding anything else, so... [16:26] getlibs says I already have newest version [16:26] I said that wrong, the top 1/4 of the page [16:26] Forgive me. My brain seems to malfunction. [16:27] What version of skype is it? [16:27] And where did you download from? [16:27] i got it from skype website only, the latest one. I think it was 2.2.1 or something, let me check [16:28] yes, skype-ubuntu_2.2.0.35-1_amd64.deb is what I got [16:28] one basic question, if i downgrade to 11.04 now, what all do i lose? [16:28] Downgrading is not supported. [16:28] ah nice :) [16:30] By the way, is this a bug? or just work in progress so I should just wait for updates? [16:30] http://www.skype.com/intl/en/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/ [16:30] You'd have to talk to the folks at skype about that. [16:31] hmm. ok I will try but I guess they will ask me to wait for 11.10 final release. [16:31] http://www.skype.com/intl/en/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/downloading.ubuntu64 [16:32] That is latest ^^^ and may be what you already what you have now. [16:32] terry_ : Thanks, thats where I downloaded it earlier. [16:34] I suppose it's off to ubuntu beta forum [16:35] But you can tinker with it some more and maybe find a clue. Maybe someone else on here has some idea, but that's all I have. [16:35] terry_: Thanks a lot, really appreciate your time. [17:24] so is fglrx with jockey completely borked or what? [17:27] AFAIK, jockey is broken for everything - bug 831447 [17:28] and since the bot appears broken: [17:28] jockey-backend crashed with MemoryError in run_dbus_service() [17:28] in progress as a critical bug [17:28] using unity how can I browse my installed applications by category in Oneiric? [17:28] so I want to see all the graphics applications I have installed and run one of them [17:29] Doesn't software center do something like that? [17:29] * charlie-tca doesn't use unity [17:29] software centre is for stuff I don't have [17:29] I thought it also has a "installed software" category [17:30] I am trying to use unity, but I can't find and run applications I have on my computer, which is kind of fundamental [17:30] I see [17:31] in Natty there was a dropdown in the applications lens for changing category, pretty horrible but it kind of worked [17:31] but would do crazy stuff like show me 6 of the 20 applications I have in a category, plus try to sell me another 6 from the software centre [17:33] ideally I would like to replace the dash which is almost entirely useless with an applications lens that shows me all the stuff I have grouped into categories [17:34] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-lens-applications/trunk/view/head:/src/daemon.vala#L170 there is clearly code in it that knows about categories in some way [17:36] Anybody have a working oneiric schroot config handy? I can't seem to get mine working, it falls back to / and groups says it cannot find gid 1000. [18:12] Anyone else getting the bzip errors? [18:15] nperry: What error? [18:17] http://pastebin.com/kmYPFD5H [18:26] nperry, nope, what command are you running? [18:28] naptitude update [18:28] just not seen it before [18:28] another update didn't give the same error [18:28] maybe a baddownload on my half [18:47] did that last compiz update break anyones system? [18:48] billybigrigger_: today's or yesterday's? [18:48] today's [18:48] compiz ... why bother with it ? [18:48] Haven't done it yet, maybe I should wait. [18:49] synaptic won't launch for me either now...."Problem cannot be reported....you have obsolete package versions installed. Please upgrade the following packages and check if the problem still occurs: synaptic, libcups2" [18:50] synaptic: [18:50] Installed: 0.75.2ubuntu1 [18:50] Candidate: 0.75.2ubuntu6 [18:50] libcups2: [18:50] Installed: 1.5.0-4 [18:50] Candidate: 1.5.0-5 [18:51] Compiz is useful and nice, once tweaked to not be stupid. [18:51] is flash broken or just me? http://paste.ubuntu.com/674053/ [18:52] no tweaking done here, still a stock .10 install, besides the fact of installing xchat [18:52] burner, i use SevenMachines flash11 from his ppa [18:53] works like a dream on my .10 64 install [18:53] burner, 64 bit ? [18:53] yup [18:53] yep, 64-bit [18:53] https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash [18:53] burner, ^ [18:55] hrm... i think i b0rked something :\ [18:55] burner, it's a known bug [18:56] finally got the new kernel update as of right now too...wonder what b0rkage that will bring :) [18:58] woohoo... thanks amigos! :) [18:59] np [19:00] odd goings on with my other pc , hw freezes like KB and mouse etc ..updates/upgrades fix it for a while then kernel panics on the boot , until I upgrade again [19:03] what mouse theme do you all use? [19:04] i can't seem to get DMZ-White to list in gnome-tweak-tool [19:05] * BluesKaj thinks the pc is getting too old , kernel source hw drivers look like they're becoming iffy, from it's behaviour [19:06] how old is it? [19:06] maybe it should be relegated back to windows [19:06] 2006 [19:07] that isn't old at all [19:07] single core 64bit amd cpu and 2G ram [19:07] should be a great linux machine [19:07] gawd I hope so [19:08] not handling 11.10 very well , tho [19:09] most machines aren't :P [19:09] well we knew what we were getting into, gnome3, gtk updates 3.x kernel, it was bound to be a rough ride :) [19:09] any fglrx users here? [19:09] no gnome here , I'm kde on all linux [19:10] billybigrigger_: me [19:10] i ran kde 4.5 when it first came out, on an arch install, i'm tempted to go back [19:10] it doesn't work for me on 3.0.0-9 [19:10] using radeon is a breeze tho [19:10] Ian_Corne, which driver? 881 just came out today i think [19:10] oh [19:10] i'll check later [19:10] im stuck will gallium drivers, i havent been able to install fglrx yet [19:11] jockey has been holding me back, but i was reading today on a forum post that there is a fglrx-installer package in the repos, which i haven't been able to find... :( [19:11] how did you install your drivers? [19:11] well it was just there in the repos :p [19:12] hmmmm [19:12] not for me :( wtf [19:13] hmm [19:13] i'll check what repo [19:13] also later [19:13] when i'm at that computer [19:13]