[15:00]  * slangasek waves
[15:01]  * stgraber waves
[15:01] <jhunt_> o/
[15:01] <bdmurray> \o
[15:02] <mvo> hi
[15:02] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Aug 24 15:02:28 2011 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
[15:02] <meetingology> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
[15:02] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
[15:02] <meetingology> TOPIC: lightning round
[15:02] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e cjwatson barry doko stgraber jhunt mvo ev bdmurray slangasek)
[15:02] <slangasek> barry mvo slangasek bdmurray jhunt stgraber ev cjwatson doko
[15:02] <slangasek> no barry today, so mvo:
[15:03] <mvo> (shorter week, worked only half a day monday/tuesday)
[15:03] <mvo> did:
[15:03] <mvo> software-center: lots of work on the gtk3 version, fixes in "whats new" and the sort ordering, network state/offline mode fixes, work on add-license-key infrastructure, lots of review/merges,
[15:03] <mvo> misc: replaced broken openwrt router
[15:03] <mvo> apt: extensive testing of the new SoC ordering code via the auto-upgrade-tester
[15:03] <mvo> aptdaemon: debug/fix #828162 (multiarch), add lp:~mvo/aptdaemon/add-license-key-call, debug/fix crash with 64 bit progress types (LP: #829186), review/merge packagekit backend branch(!)
[15:03] <mvo> update-manager: do not run software-properties-gtk, upload new version
[15:03] <mvo> next week:
[15:03] <mvo>  VACATION
[15:03] <mvo> EOF
[15:04] <mvo> (eh, do not run software-properties-gtk as root that should read)
[15:04] <slangasek> ah, done too quickly, I should've rigged the output to put myself last like I usually do
[15:04] <slangasek> bdmurray: can you go ahead? :)
[15:04] <bdmurray> aye
[15:04] <bdmurray> bug triage of canonical-foundations and canonical-qa team assigned bug reports
[15:04] <bdmurray> reviewing foundations team bugs that missed the alpha-3 milestone
[15:04] <bdmurray> writing a bug pattern and a bug bot function for ubiquity bug 743359
[15:04] <bdmurray> bug pattern writing for bug 386763 (defoma locked exists)
[15:04] <bdmurray> bug pattern writing for bug 828759 regarding ubuntu-meta
[15:04] <bdmurray> update to search-bugs from bugpatterns to accept a within X number of days parameter to make cron'ing it easier
[15:05] <bdmurray> email to defect analysts regarding search-bugs cronjob
[15:05] <bdmurray> email to the defect analysts team regarding invalid apport-package bug reports
[15:05] <bdmurray> patch-subscriber fix for dealing with bugs with subscribers that are private teams or people
[15:05] <bdmurray> updated firefox-lp-improvements extension to work with firefox 7
[15:05] <bdmurray> improvements to ubiquity duplicate signatures for syslog files and tracebacks
[15:05] <bdmurray> bug triage of ubiquity duplicate signature bug reports
[15:05] <bdmurray> creation of a bug bot function to detect hardware errors for /, /var, or /usr partitions resulting in an apport-package bug report
[15:05] <bdmurray> investigated / started writing a transitioned to High and Critical bug report using launchpadlib
[15:05] <bdmurray> defect analysts sprint last week
[15:05] <bdmurray> done
[15:05] <jhunt_> Overcame blocking bug in tests for Upstart job logging feature (yay!)
[15:05] <jhunt_> Currently frantically writing remaining tests (of which there are oodles^2).
[15:06] <jhunt_> Bank Holiday on Monday 29th.
[15:06] <jhunt_> 
[15:07] <stgraber> jhunt_: is that last character == "done" ? :)
[15:07] <jhunt_> stgraber: yeah - its an Ubuntu logo symbol "done" :)
[15:07] <stgraber> ok :)
[15:07] <stgraber> let's see if my copy/paste works this time around :)
[15:07] <stgraber>  - LinuxCon last week
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Working on Edubuntu mostly this week, trying to get everyting in shape by tomorrow
[15:08] <stgraber>    - Rewrote ltsp-live entirely, testing it now should be uploaded this afternoon
[15:08] <stgraber>    - Patched unity-greeter a bit to work better with flavours
[15:08] <stgraber>    - Various theming/UI updates
[15:08] <stgraber>    - Work on the installer slideshow
[15:08] <stgraber>  - Other than that, fought with my SAN for two hours yesterday, it finally works again :)
[15:08] <stgraber>  - Still working with TPM trying to get it working in a PPA for Oneiric and hopefully in P.
[15:08] <stgraber>  - TODO list
[15:08] <stgraber>    - Fix iTalc FTBFS (apparently can't find QT since multiarch change)
[15:08] <stgraber>    - Manual IPv6 testing for cyphermox
[15:08] <stgraber>    - Work on automated testing of IPv6 for QA
[15:08] <stgraber> wow, looks like it did!
[15:08] <stgraber> (done)
[15:08] <ev> - Lots of work on wireless networking and webcam pages on the installer, now
[15:08] <ev>   done and uploaded.
[15:08] <ev> - Expanded tests for ubiquity.
[15:08] <ev> - Helped the web team review their plans for developer.ubuntu.com.
[15:08] <ev> - More fixes/breakage to gst-plugins-{good,bad}.
[15:08] <ev> - Port the noninteractive frontend to PyGI.
[15:08] <ev> (done)
[15:08] <cjwatson> Mostly slogging through NBS and build failures this week (libav, evolution, ibus, gnustep, etc. etc. ad nauseam).  Melting laptop with pbuilder.
[15:08] <cjwatson> Some more tweaks to LP API syncpackage; now merged, although there are some more to-do items (partly in Launchpad).
[15:09] <cjwatson> Trying *again* to get my Launchpad dpkg-xz-support branch merged.  Current blocker is new EC2 images ...
[15:09] <cjwatson> Various discussions about rotational maintenance team.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Took a small hatchet to console-cyrillic to fix bug 597673.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Working on switching Chinese edition images over to new ubuntu-defaults-image build framework.  Nearly there.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Provisionally arranged accommodation for the release sprint.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Planning some UEFI testing soon to make sure that's in shape for beta.
[15:09] <cjwatson> --
[15:09] <doko> rotational maintenance team?
[15:09] <cjwatson> only a tentative idea as yet, I'll tell you about it after the meeting :)
[15:10] <slangasek> stgraber: ping me if you need any help with the Qt multiarch problem
[15:10] <stgraber> slangasek: I probably will. I can build it fine but I'd rather avoid patching its configure file to achieve that ;)
[15:11] <doko> - archive test rebuild: amd64 finished, i386 at libx,
[15:11] <doko>   ~1100 ftbfs in the bug tracker.
[15:11] <doko> - sent gcc-multiarch patch upstream, not yet accepted,
[15:11] <doko>   maintainers would like to see a multiarch definition
[15:11] <doko>   documentation first.
[15:11] <doko> - backported the multiarch patch to 4.4, 4.5, 4.6.
[15:11] <doko>   gcc, gcj, gnat uploads
[15:11] <doko> - eglibc merge
[15:11] <doko> - got the MIR queue down
[15:11] <doko> - chased down libreoffice build failure on armel
[15:11] <doko> - integrated libffi, eglibc, gcc patches to get
[15:11] <doko>   openjdk-6 built on armhf (with help from xranby)
[15:11] <doko>   jamvm doesn't yet run on armhf.
[15:11] <doko> - ftbfs fixing
[15:11] <doko> - started the rebuild test on armel
[15:11] <slangasek> well, sometimes patching configure (... configure.in, I mean) is the right fix; there's a lot of wrong detection code out there
[15:11] <doko> - linaro toolchain working group calls
[15:11] <doko> make it 1150 now
[15:12] <slangasek> cjwatson: how are EC2 images blocking dpkg-xz-support?  Resource contention?
[15:13] <cjwatson> slangasek: Launchpad EC2 test images, not ours
[15:13] <slangasek> doko: (done)?
[15:13] <cjwatson> slangasek: apparently they only get auto-upgraded when creating a new image, not at the start of a test, so they still have the old python-apt and fail; StevenK is working on getting me new images
[15:13] <doko> --
[15:13] <slangasek> cjwatson: ah
[15:13] <slangasek> doko: thanks :)
[15:13] <slangasek>  * follow through on flashplugin multiarch support, proposing package changes to auto-upgrade users to the i386 package for natty->oneiric; ran afoul of a remaining apt multiarch bug
[15:13] <slangasek>  * found some aptdaemon multiarch bugs, which mvo has now fixed
[15:14] <slangasek>  * fixing some startup-related bugs in nfs-utils
[15:14] <slangasek>  * qemu-linaro updated packaging, will look for an FFe (fixes FTBFS)
[15:14] <slangasek>  * fixed some of the FTBFS bugs
[15:14] <slangasek>  * sponsored ibus update for CJK issues
[15:14] <slangasek>  * helping a bit with NBS now
[15:14] <slangasek> (done)
[15:15] <slangasek> any questions on anything above?
[15:15] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[15:15] <meetingology> TOPIC: Bugs
[15:16]  * slangasek hands the mic to bdmurray 
[15:16] <bdmurray> So we've had some new mostly installer related bugs coming in
[15:16] <bdmurray> like bug 830940
[15:16] <bdmurray> and a couple of others which have been assigned to ev
[15:16] <ev> yeah, on my list
[15:17] <bdmurray> Also I was looking at bug 831752 yesterday and wanted to make sure I was testing it right
[15:17] <cjwatson> I looked at a couple of them but they mostly seemed to be to do with the PyGI migration, and I don't have much experience with that yet
[15:18] <cjwatson> bdmurray: that sounds like the right test
[15:18] <bdmurray> cjwatson: okay thanks
[15:18] <bdmurray> Generally speaking with bugs I've been making some good progress with ubiquity bug reports
[15:18] <bdmurray> http://people.canonical.com/~brian/complete-graphs/ubiquity/plots/ubiquity-halfyear-triaging.png
[15:19] <bdmurray> Where I've been creating a duplicate signature using information in the syslog
[15:19] <slangasek> \o/
[15:19] <bdmurray> and then doing some manual consolidation.  However, I'd like to talk to ev and or cjwatson about this to make sure my logic is sound and get it into the apport package hook for ubiquity
[15:20] <bdmurray> and also to find out how to work with the GrubInstaller failure failures
[15:22] <bdmurray> So could we talk after the meeting?
[15:22] <ev> sure
[15:22] <bdmurray> okay thanks, that is all I have
[15:23] <slangasek> thanks, Brian
[15:23] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Beta
[15:23] <meetingology> TOPIC: Beta
[15:24] <slangasek> so we haven't talked a whole lot about milestoned bugs lately... but the list for beta-1 is kinda long, so I thought I would draw your attention to it
[15:24] <slangasek> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs?field.milestone=39143
[15:25] <slangasek> many of these are for other teams, but there's definitely some work for us to do on there
[15:25] <slangasek> (bdmurray: I guess there's no good way to filter that for bugs on packages we care about until we have structural subscriber exposed?)
[15:25] <bdmurray> slangasek: there is probably a way now ;-)
[15:26] <cjwatson> I'll need to have another look at the grub/LVM bug this week, I guess; it was opaque to me last time I looked
[15:26] <bdmurray> slangasek: using the API though
[15:26] <slangasek> bdmurray: ah, ok
[15:26] <slangasek> I'll have a look at the sqlite one
[15:26] <slangasek> I loves me some demotions
[15:27] <cjwatson> ev: do you want me to take bug 420080, since you have a lot of ubiquity bugs?
[15:27] <slangasek> (things you don't want to hear your manager say, #62)
[15:27] <cjwatson> (not that I'm looking forward to it)
[15:27] <ev> cjwatson: please do
[15:27] <ev> thanks
[15:27] <cjwatson> I'm generally churning through build failures as time permits
[15:28] <cjwatson> I'm mostly using https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-11.10-beta-1 - it doesn't show the package, and has invalid and fixed bugs, but it does show the assignee which I find handy
[15:28] <slangasek> ev: bug #825786 needs fixed ASAP, it will cause upgrade problems for just about everyone running oneiric; will you get to that today, or shall I take it?
[15:28] <ev> slangasek: already uploaded
[15:29] <slangasek> ah
[15:29] <ev> oh, maybe not
[15:29] <ev> this looks different
[15:29] <slangasek> yes, this is because you moved another file between packages, the Breaks/Replaces version needs bumped in -good
[15:30] <slangasek> mvo: do I remember correctly that you said DonKult had a fix for bug #802901?
[15:30] <ev> slangasek: oh, I just bumped that with the previous upload this morning
[15:31] <mvo>  slangasek: let me double check but I think I uploaded a fix for this already
[15:31] <mvo> yeah, pointing to debian instead of LP for the bug
[15:32] <mvo> sorry for that, set to fix-released
[15:32] <slangasek> ev: ah, ok - thanks, closing
[15:33] <slangasek> hmm, I guess the bug reported there actually *was* the earlier issue... ohwell, all fixed now
[15:33] <ev> sure thing
[15:34] <slangasek> so yeah, then there are a whole bunch of build failures on the list if people want to help out with those :)
[15:34] <slangasek> any other comments on beta bugs?
[15:35] <cjwatson> mostly just OMG
[15:35]  * slangasek nods
[15:35] <cjwatson> normally they're mostly desktop, but in this case there are a lot on our list
[15:36] <slangasek> seems a lot of that is due to more aggressive targeting of bug reports?
[15:36] <cjwatson> that may be, especially build failures
[15:36] <slangasek> at least we'll keep busy :)
[15:37] <cjwatson> oh, yes, can somebody take bug 575469?  it's assigned to Surbhi
[15:38] <slangasek> stgraber: can you take that?
[15:38] <cjwatson> may need some thought on how to deal gracefully with recovery menu items that require RW
[15:38] <stgraber> slangasek: yeah, I'm not too familiar with friendly-recovery but I'm happy to take it, as long as it's not expected to be fixed by beta1.
[15:39] <slangasek> stgraber: targeted to beta-1 currently, but it's medium - don't sweat it if it slips
[15:39] <stgraber> slangasek: ok. I'll "try" to have a look next week, worst case I'll definitely have time for it post-beta1
[15:39] <slangasek> ok
[15:40] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:40] <meetingology> TOPIC: AOB
[15:40] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:41] <mvo> I'm on vacation next week and the week after just, just FYI
[15:41]  * slangasek nods
[15:41] <slangasek> I'm on vacation myself the week after next
[15:41]  * doko should plan for vacation too ...
[15:41] <slangasek> wandering around France and England
[15:42] <ev> going to be in london at all?
[15:42] <mvo> slangasek: sounds nice!
[15:42] <slangasek> ev: only for transit connections :)
[15:42] <ev> heh, fair enough
[15:44] <slangasek> mvo: my first time visiting France (instead of passing through) in 15 years... my French is a little rusty :)
[15:44] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:44] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Aug 24 15:44:23 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4)
[15:44] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-24-15.02.moin.txt
[15:44] <slangasek> thanks, guys
[15:44] <stgraber> thanks7
[15:44] <mvo> thanks
[15:45] <jhunt_> thanks
[15:45] <mvo> slangasek: heh :) a good time to unrust it then
[15:46] <slangasek> yep :)
[17:11] <hggdh_> OK. I am late for the Quality meeting, sorry
[17:11] <hggdh_> so who is present?
[17:11] <nuclearbob> Max Brustkern, I'm new
[17:12] <gema> o/ (not for very long)
[17:12] <hggdh_> pedro_, bdmurray, Ursinha?
[17:12] <hggdh_> let's get it on
[17:12] <bdmurray> hggdh_: hello
[17:12] <hggdh_> #startmeeting
[17:12] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Aug 24 17:12:51 2011 UTC.  The chair is hggdh_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
[17:12] <meetingology> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
[17:13] <hggdh_> OK. I am sorry for the delay, I had the wrong schedule in front of me
[17:13] <hggdh_> So.
[17:13] <hggdh_> [TOPIC] Previous Actions
[17:13] <meetingology> TOPIC: Previous Actions
[17:14] <hggdh_> I am not aware of any previous pending actions. Please correct me if needed
[17:14] <hggdh_> 3
[17:14] <hggdh_> 2
[17:14] <hggdh_> 1
[17:14] <hggdh_> [TOPIC] Community Efforts/Testing
[17:14] <meetingology> TOPIC: Community Efforts/Testing
[17:14] <hggdh_> The only point I have here is that we are approaching Beta 1 week, and all help will be extremely welcome
[17:15] <hggdh_> we will need testers for all official variants of Ubuntu, and some of the not-so-official ;-)
[17:15] <hggdh_> please do help. Visit http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com for details on the tests we will have to run
[17:16] <hggdh_> any comments?
[17:16] <zeedune> Georg here, also new to this. So is ISO testing the top prio?
[17:16] <charlie-tca> o/
[17:17] <hggdh_> zeedune: daily testing on the updated images is always welcome. But milestone testing has a special urgency, given the few days we have to perform all tests
[17:17] <charlie-tca> If the images do not get tested, the Beta1 does not get released for that flavor
[17:17] <charlie-tca> hggdh_: beta1 testing starts Tuesday?
[17:17] <hggdh_> charlie-tca: we hope so, yes
[17:18] <hggdh_> from Tuesday to part-Thursday
[17:18] <charlie-tca> For those not aware of it, this cycle there is a new policy in place. Any image that is not tested for each milestone does not get released for that milestone
[17:19] <zeedune> How do I tell the daily builds apart from the beta1 ones? Or will all daily build after Tuesday be beta1?
[17:19] <hggdh_> when we reach the milestone, the image is not changed unless a critical bug is corrected
[17:19] <charlie-tca> We do plan on images starting Tuesday being beta1, yes. since it is a milestone, they might be the same images for three days, but they can also change every couple of hours
[17:20] <bdmurray> so they are candidates for beta1
[17:20] <hggdh_> but, apart from that, there is no difference
[17:20] <hggdh_> yes
[17:20] <zeedune> ok
[17:20] <hggdh_> additionally, we will have the Global Jam following the Beta 1 milestone: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[17:20] <charlie-tca> zeedune: We keep in contact during the milestone testing in #ubunhtu-testing
[17:21] <hggdh_> and on the Global Jam we will also have testing activities (but not milestoned)
[17:21] <hggdh_> any other comments/views?
[17:21] <hggdh_> 3
[17:21] <hggdh_> 2
[17:21] <zeedune> Ok, I'll make sure to stay logged in to the #ubuntu-testing channel
[17:21] <hggdh_> 1
[17:21] <hggdh_> [TOPIC] Automated/Systems Testing
[17:21] <meetingology> TOPIC: Automated/Systems Testing
[17:22] <hggdh_> so moving on. Ursinha does not seem to be present.
[17:22] <gema> the only thing I have to report is that I have started working on improving the ubiquity testing for better coverage
[17:22] <hggdh_> perfect
[17:22]  * hggdh_ has never used ubiquity...
[17:23] <gema> I can tell from the bugs :)
[17:23] <gema> nothing else
[17:23] <gema> ..
[17:23] <hggdh_> pedro_: ?
[17:23] <pedro_> yes? :-)
[17:23] <hggdh_> heh
[17:23] <pedro_> nothing much to share from here, still catching up from last week :-P
[17:23] <hggdh_> OK
[17:23] <pedro_> so sorry no bug day for this week
[17:24] <hggdh_> no problem :-)
[17:24] <hggdh_> bdmurray: you, sir
[17:25] <bdmurray> So of particular interest is the following - I've setup a cronjob of search-bugs (finding reported bugs matching a bug pattern) that'll consolidate new duplicates
[17:25] <bdmurray> This is necessary due to some short comings in apport
[17:25] <bdmurray> I also updated firefox-lp-improvements for the new version of firefox
[17:26] <hggdh_> this consolidation, is it automagic?
[17:26] <bdmurray> and then I created a bug bot function to detect hardware errors for /, /var, or /usr partitions resulting in an apport-package bug report
[17:26] <bdmurray> hggdh_: yes, it confirms and adds a comment and marks as a duplicate if the bug matches a bug pattern
[17:26] <hggdh_> fantastic...
[17:27] <bdmurray> and with that bug bot functions I've invalidated some more bug reports
[17:27] <hggdh_> making a sizeable dent on the open bugs, I hope...
[17:28] <bdmurray> well 30 is a small percentage but its more than 0
[17:28] <hggdh_> :-)
[17:28] <bdmurray> 30 bugs that is
[17:28] <hggdh_> better than none :-)
[17:28] <bdmurray> There might be some more hiding so I'll look harder for that needle
[17:28] <bdmurray> that's all
[17:28] <hggdh_> thank you
[17:29] <hggdh_> Moving on
[17:29] <hggdh_> [TOPIC] Odds & Ends
[17:29] <meetingology> TOPIC: Odds & Ends
[17:29] <hggdh_> I will start this one
[17:30] <hggdh_> I would like to welcome nuclearbob (Max) to the QA team. He started this last Monday, and we hope he will solve all our issues
[17:30] <nuclearbob> yeah, I'm closing the last bugs now, we can all go home
[17:30] <hggdh_> :-)
[17:30] <charlie-tca> w00t!
[17:30] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[17:31] <pedro_> welcome nuclearbob :-)
[17:31] <bdmurray> I am home ;-)
[17:31] <nuclearbob> me too
[17:31] <charlie-tca> Welcome to this fun world of QA, nuclearbob
[17:31] <hggdh_> additionally, I would like to remind all that we now have Jenkins available publicly, at https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/
[17:32] <hggdh_> the code that run the tests is on Launchpad: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-iso-testing-dev/ubuntu-server-iso-testing/trunk
[17:32] <hggdh_> everybody is welcome to add new tests/correct as needed. Just propose a merge against the branch above
[17:33] <hggdh_> ..
[17:33] <hggdh_> so, with my announcements done, anyone wishes to add anything else
[17:33] <hggdh_> ?
[17:34] <hggdh_> OK
[17:34] <hggdh_> [TOPIC] Next Chair
[17:34] <meetingology> TOPIC: Next Chair
[17:34] <hggdh_> on the absence of self-proposals, I will 'shuf -e charlie-tca patrickmw pedro_ bdmurray jibel Ursinha nuclearbob | head 1'
[17:35] <hggdh_> oh, add gema to the list above
[17:35] <hggdh_> and...
[17:35] <hggdh_> PEDRO_!
[17:35] <pedro_> woo
[17:35] <charlie-tca> yay, pedro_
[17:35] <pedro_> it was time :-)
[17:35] <hggdh_> [ACTION] pedro_ to chair next meeting
[17:35] <meetingology> ACTION: pedro_ to chair next meeting
[17:36] <hggdh_> you know, I do like this shuf thingie
[17:36] <hggdh_> mostly when I do it, my nick is not there
[17:36] <pedro_> lol
[17:36] <hggdh_> all right.
[17:36] <hggdh_> #endmeeting
[17:36] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Aug 24 17:36:27 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4)
[17:36] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-24-17.12.moin.txt
[17:36] <pedro_> thanks for chairing hggdh_
[17:36] <charlie-tca> Thank you, hggdh_
[17:36] <hggdh_> folks, thank you all very much
[17:36] <charlie-tca> thought I was gonna miss this, but it worked out
[17:37] <hggdh_> yeah, I was wondering about you
[17:37] <hggdh_> and worried
[17:38] <charlie-tca> still going
[17:46] <hggdh_> :-)
[17:47] <charlie-tca> I even managed to learn how to use that shuf thing now :)
[18:02] <Ursinha> hmm, I could swear I was here
[18:08] <hggdh_> Ursinha: now you certainly is (or was) ;-)
[18:09] <hggdh_> urgh! you certainly are (or were)
[18:09] <Ursinha> hggdh_: yeah .. :)
[18:09]  * hggdh_ goes bang his head on a wall for a bit
[18:10] <charlie-tca> heh