| === SWAT__ is now known as SWAT | ||
| diplo | Morning all | 07:12 |
|---|---|---|
| daubers | Morning | 07:14 |
| daubers | 13 left to upload | 07:18 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: http://www.youtube.com/user/onlysevenleft ? :) | 07:34 |
| MooDoo | hello all | 07:45 |
| daubers | o/ | 07:47 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 07:49 |
| MooDoo | :) | 07:54 |
| brobostigon | :) | 07:54 |
| freakyclown | you lot get up late! | 07:56 |
| christel | morning | 07:57 |
| brobostigon | morning christel | 07:57 |
| christel | MooDoo: hows the pregnancy coming along, it cant be long to go now? | 07:57 |
| christel | heya brobostigon :) | 07:57 |
| brobostigon | christel: :) | 07:57 |
| MooDoo | christel: still a week till the due date, but she's measuring 42 weeks already....she's ready for the baby to come now | 07:59 |
| christel | \o/ | 07:59 |
| MooDoo | :) | 07:59 |
| christel | how exciting :D | 07:59 |
| MooDoo | yeah :) | 08:00 |
| * brobostigon pre-sends MooDoo varius kinds of ear-defenders. | 08:01 | |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Matt Daubney] A quick hack to cheer up a rubbish couple of weeks - http://daubers.co.uk/2011/08/24/a-quick-hack-to-cheer-up-a-rubbish-couple-of-weeks/ | 08:03 |
| MooDoo | brobostigon: already got a two year old in the terrible twos stage, already have perforated ear drums :D | 08:03 |
| brobostigon | MooDoo: eeeek, ohwell, | 08:04 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all! | 08:06 |
| Myrtti | ohai | 08:07 |
| * brobostigon cant tell jokes, he reackons. | 08:07 | |
| brobostigon | morning JamesTait and Myrtti | 08:07 |
| diplo | MooDoo, a warning... terrible 2's don't stop at 2 :) | 08:08 |
| Eckrall | morning all | 08:11 |
| Eckrall | just found a server on a customers site thats running 6.06, however it looks like the repo on archive.ubuntu.com is gone | 08:12 |
| Eckrall | is there anywhere else I should be looking for the old repo? | 08:13 |
| diplo | I think 6.06 is EOL now | 08:15 |
| diplo | !eol | 08:15 |
| lubotu3 | End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades | 08:15 |
| diplo | Yup, June 1 2011 | 08:16 |
| Eckrall | so they take the repo's down? | 08:16 |
| BigRedS | I think they get shifted to oldreleases.ubuntu.com | 08:16 |
| Eckrall | i can understand no further updates... | 08:16 |
| diplo | ah there we go | 08:16 |
| Eckrall | BigRedS: thanks, checking | 08:17 |
| diplo | I was just thinking that Eckrall, we *have* to use CentOS 4 | 08:17 |
| diplo | And we still get old updates so yeah I'd go with BigRedS | 08:17 |
| Eckrall | ;) | 08:17 |
| diplo | Never ran anything that old on *buntu flavour | 08:17 |
| Eckrall | diplo: i didnt know how old this box was til I did an apt-get update && apt-get install that failed horribly | 08:18 |
| diplo | :D | 08:20 |
| dwatkins | Every time I post on my blog there's a new version of Wordpress. | 08:23 |
| MooDoo | dwatkins: it's not updated that often, when you broke? ;) | 08:24 |
| BigRedS | yeah, I find that. I blog about every 18 months, though | 08:25 |
| MooDoo | lol | 08:25 |
| dwatkins | MooDoo: broke? I havn't blogged in a couple months. | 08:26 |
| MooDoo | dwatkins: i'm just teasing. | 08:26 |
| dwatkins | I suspected you were, wasn't sure what you meant ;) | 08:27 |
| MooDoo | dwatkins: ignore me, it's baby and oneiric brain ;) | 08:27 |
| dwatkins | I'm always a little hesitant to update Wordpress automagically, since the download might be compromised in theory. | 08:27 |
| dwatkins | MooDoo: nah, I won't ignore you, that's too much effort to type ;) | 08:27 |
| MooDoo | lol | 08:28 |
| * brobostigon tries to thinkof something useful to do to waste a few hours. | 08:30 | |
| gord | hrm, started an upgrade on the laptop, sat down on the desktop and started debugging why my internet connection there was so slow, not a clever morning | 08:30 |
| MooDoo | gord: facepalm! :) | 08:31 |
| BigRedS | haha | 08:34 |
| brobostigon | drupal on my mums blog is uptodate. | 08:34 |
| BigRedS | I don't think I've ever seen an up-to-date drupal install, and only rarely an up to date wp one :( | 08:34 |
| brobostigon | i have it uptodate. | 08:35 |
| MooDoo | yeah i tend to keep our wp blogs uptodate, don't fancy a church blog getting hacked with pron lol | 08:35 |
| brobostigon | yes, understandable. | 08:36 |
| * brobostigon feels at a loss. | 08:36 | |
| BigRedS | Ah, but I've not seen it, so I can maintain my unenviable record... | 08:37 |
| brobostigon | the latest drupal version is 7.7, and that is as drupal reports, the version that is there. | 08:37 |
| dwatkins | I updated Wordpress, then it told me Chrome was out of date (as I hadn't yet restarted it to install the update it told me about yesterday) | 08:45 |
| brobostigon | yes, someone put a screenie on G+ about that. | 08:45 |
| dwatkins | oh yes? I think I need to add you lot to my G+, brobostigon | 08:46 |
| brobostigon | :) | 08:46 |
| * dwatkins adds popey | 08:47 | |
| dwatkins | feel free to add me, I should be the only Dominic Watkins on there in theory | 08:48 |
| * oimon appears to have purchased a douchepad | 08:49 | |
| brobostigon | dwatkins: done, added. | 08:50 |
| dwatkins | My icon is bob from Bubble Bobble. | 08:51 |
| oimon | directhex: opened yours up yet? | 08:52 |
| dwatkins | brobostigon: aha, got notification :) now I just have to remember your real name maps to brobostigon ;) | 08:54 |
| dwatkins | at least there's /whois ;) | 08:55 |
| brobostigon | dwatkins: the notification you got, should show my full name. | 08:56 |
| dwatkins | brobostigon: yeah, it does - I was checking it was you and not someone else on this channel :) | 08:56 |
| brobostigon | dwatkins: ah, :) | 08:57 |
| popey | oimon: where'd you get it? | 08:59 |
| oimon | argos, reserved it yesterday at full price, purchased 9am today at discounted price due to price drop overnight | 09:00 |
| oimon | argos, roman god of brown boxes | 09:00 |
| freakyclown | oimon: i thought that was uranus? | 09:00 |
| oimon | freakyclown: ewww | 09:01 |
| davmor2 | morning all | 09:01 |
| oimon | i'm resisting the urge to open it and play before lunchtime | 09:01 |
| oimon | i guess i should see if it is in one piece :D | 09:01 |
| AlanBell | oimon: I tried argos but they were out of stock all around | 09:01 |
| oimon | AlanBell: stock was replenished as reservations expired | 09:01 |
| oimon | checked occasionally during the evening yesterday, and snagged one around 8.30 last night at the tottenham hale branch | 09:02 |
| oimon | all windows in the argos had been done in due to the riots, and the automatic door was bust | 09:02 |
| oimon | although i haven't been to argos lately, maybe it's always like that | 09:02 |
| AlanBell | can't reserve or buy it now though | 09:03 |
| oimon | AlanBell: no, especially since the price drop announced | 09:04 |
| oimon | saw a tweet from directhex that he's done the same thing today | 09:04 |
| oimon | i'm sure the excitement will wear off soon..like the joggler and the eee pc before it | 09:05 |
| freakyclown | and those fancy computer things | 09:06 |
| oimon | freakyclown: did you used to use another nick? | 09:06 |
| freakyclown | er no why? | 09:06 |
| oimon | have only noticed u around since oggcamp :) | 09:07 |
| freakyclown | im ninja :P | 09:07 |
| * davmor2 prods czajkowski should be up by now | 09:14 | |
| freakyclown | shes in irishlandshire isnt she | 09:14 |
| * davmor2 waves morning to MooDoo | 09:14 | |
| dwatkins | Don't they have internets there? ;) | 09:14 |
| davmor2 | freakyclown: yeap | 09:15 |
| Hornet | anyone know of anywhere still vending touchpads? | 09:15 |
| davmor2 | dwatkins: you know she'll be back right | 09:15 |
| daubers | davmor2: You only get half the bandwidth in ireland though, because it sends every packet twice..... to be sure to be sure | 09:15 |
| oimon | Hornet: play.com..at full price :-0 | 09:15 |
| * daubers get's his coat | 09:15 | |
| Hornet | helpful :P | 09:16 |
| Hornet | I meant at cheap obviously | 09:16 |
| davmor2 | daubers: you're going to be a dead man ;) | 09:16 |
| Hornet | I nearly had some yesterday, but the webshite was being raped and I lost them in the chaos | 09:16 |
| dwatkins | davmor2: yeah, just kidding | 09:18 |
| dwatkins | Hornet: I assume you tried your local Dixons. | 09:18 |
| oimon | at this point you'll have more luck in your local pub | 09:21 |
| Hornet | er yes :) | 09:21 |
| Hornet | tried my local everything | 09:21 |
| oimon | i've already come across a fail on my touchpad in the first minute | 09:31 |
| daubers | oimon: You're supposed to charge the battery first :p | 09:35 |
| oimon | wont connect to my 2 wireless networks at work. | 09:35 |
| oimon | so i setup wifi hotspot on my phone to get past setup and then it can't connect to the server :( | 09:35 |
| freakyclown | maybe this is why HP wants to get rid of them....they suck! | 09:36 |
| Adriannom | calc is autoreplacing any mention of "pi" in my urls, so that the links break. is there any way to stop this? | 09:37 |
| BigRedS | Adriannom: have a poke around for Autocorrect in the menus | 09:49 |
| BigRedS | that might be doing that | 09:49 |
| BigRedS | I can't remember where it is, though | 09:49 |
| dwatkins | I thought HP dropped support for WebOS. | 09:49 |
| Adriannom | yeah i've been looking BigRedS, no luck unfortunately | 09:50 |
| Adriannom | oh wait | 09:50 |
| oimon | touchpad can also run about 70 percent of the more than 8,000 apps designed for HP's WebOS phones | 09:52 |
| Adriannom | tried adding "pi" as an exception to autocorrect but it didn't work. it doesn't seem to be listed under the tons on autocorrect replacements | 09:53 |
| Adriannom | weird | 09:53 |
| Adriannom | it also doesn't even appear as the pi symbol until i click on the link (you can see it in the address bar) | 09:54 |
| BigRedS | hm, peculiar | 09:58 |
| BigRedS | that sounds like the sort of thing that should have a bug filed against it | 09:58 |
| * Laney draws papers scattered over all of those nice neat surfaces on popey's office plan | 10:09 | |
| popey | :D | 10:09 |
| matti | :) | 10:09 |
| freakyclown | i think it says something that we dont get to see the other end of the room | 10:10 |
| popey | there is no other end | 10:13 |
| popey | note at the bottom there is a door and a windows | 10:13 |
| popey | -s | 10:13 |
| popey | thats the other end | 10:13 |
| freakyclown | ok so linuxy question for everyone | 10:13 |
| freakyclown | say i happened to have a dir that had ~25,000 images in | 10:14 |
| freakyclown | whats the fastest way from the cli to split that into folders of about 1000 each | 10:14 |
| AlanBell | how are they named? | 10:15 |
| freakyclown | randomly | 10:15 |
| popey | freakyclown: import them into shotwell, it will automagically sort them by date YYYY/MM/DD | 10:16 |
| Laney | how do you want them split? | 10:16 |
| freakyclown | i just need them split into roughly 1000 per folder | 10:16 |
| davmor2 | popey: I see two obvious flaws with your office plan, 1) Your legs are gonna hurt with no chair ;) and 2) It's way way way way way way way too tidy :D | 10:16 |
| freakyclown | i hate shotwell.. it annoyed me | 10:16 |
| popey | heh | 10:16 |
| popey | davmor2: I will take photos when it's done, it wont be that tidy :D | 10:17 |
| davmor2 | popey: YAY! | 10:17 |
| davmor2 | popey: if you don't mind me asking how much is that gonna cost you? | 10:17 |
| andypiper | popey: how did you go from "fastest way from the cli" to "shotwell" | 10:18 |
| popey | andypiper: magic | 10:18 |
| MooDoo | hello davmor2 | 10:19 |
| * andypiper nods approvingly, noting that popey is indeed... magic | 10:19 | |
| AlanBell | freakyclown: maybe do it by first char of the filename | 10:19 |
| oimon | ok the excitement of the touchpad has worn off now :) | 10:19 |
| Laney | i'll have it | 10:19 |
| andypiper | how are you loving webOS | 10:20 |
| Laney | fiver and a packet of wotsits | 10:20 |
| andypiper | I have to say, I think it's the most beautiful mobile OS I've ever used / seen | 10:20 |
| andypiper | but | 10:20 |
| andypiper | still crap | 10:20 |
| * andypiper has a Pre2 laying around somewhere | 10:20 | |
| * popey stops the clock! | 10:20 | |
| andypiper | he's lightning sharp, that popey | 10:21 |
| daubers | andypiper: I had a pre plus, the hardware was too poo to run the OS properly | 10:21 |
| andypiper | zomg the boot time on the pre2... shocking | 10:21 |
| daubers | If it wasn't for the hardware being so pathetic, it would have been really good | 10:21 |
| andypiper | ........ | 10:21 |
| daubers | Went the other way this time and got a Galaxy S2 as the hardware is pretty good :) | 10:21 |
| andypiper | :-) | 10:21 |
| * andypiper strokes his HTC Sensation | 10:22 | |
| * popey strokes his magic | 10:23 | |
| oimon | no kindle app for touchpad inthe uK :( | 10:24 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer got an email from a friend who works at HP. Saying did I want a touchpad (16GB) for £69. | 10:24 | |
| popey | hehe | 10:24 |
| popey | get me one :D | 10:24 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Then he failed to buy them. They sold out their internal firesale in 4 minutes, | 10:24 |
| popey | :D | 10:24 |
| oimon | maybe they can make it work better :-S | 10:24 |
| shauno | so we should be expecting them to hit ebay shortly? | 10:25 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | But never mind - I figure there'll be tons on eBay soon (slightly used). | 10:25 |
| oimon | yep | 10:27 |
| davmor2 | oimon: I could of told you that it would have nice concepts but suck :D | 10:28 |
| directhex | TheOpenSourcerer, they're up there. £200 starting price, by and large | 10:28 |
| oimon | davmor2: me too. i didn't have high expectations, | 10:28 |
| oimon | but thought it would at least have kindle or skype | 10:28 |
| oimon | due to what i read on the internets | 10:28 |
| davmor2 | oimon: what you want to look at is getting android or linaro/ubuntu on it :D | 10:28 |
| oimon | absolutely | 10:29 |
| davmor2 | oimon: then you'll have a usable tablet :D | 10:30 |
| Laney | freakyclown: C=0; for i in *.jpg; do [ $C -ge 1000 ] && C=1 || C=`expr $C + 1`; echo mv $i $C/; done | 10:30 |
| oimon | still haven't figured out how to close an app | 10:30 |
| Laney | golf time | 10:30 |
| popey | oimon: is there an M for you to RTF out of? | 10:31 |
| oimon | ah, figured it out | 10:31 |
| oimon | yes, there's a manual but... | 10:32 |
| oimon | so many questions | 10:32 |
| daubers | oimon: Normally you just flick it off the top of the screen | 10:32 |
| oimon | daubers: correct :) | 10:33 |
| davmor2 | oimon: theres a button called power if you click on it the horrible saga all goes away ;) | 10:33 |
| * daubers enjoyed doing that on the pre | 10:33 | |
| oimon | daubers: know how i can get skype on this? | 10:33 |
| oimon | lots of mention of it but no actual downlaod in the app store | 10:33 |
| daubers | oimon: No idea :) I only had a pre, and that struggled loading email | 10:34 |
| oimon | multi tasking is v good though | 10:36 |
| davmor2 | oimon: they're both in there according to UK based reviews kindle and skype. I'm wondering if they got pulled the minute that HP said they weren't supporting it | 10:36 |
| davmor2 | oimon: have you had a look on amazon to see if the app is listed on there site the android and iphone ones were | 10:38 |
| directhex | oimon, go into settings/accounts | 10:39 |
| oimon | yep | 10:40 |
| oimon | loading... | 10:40 |
| oimon | still loading.. | 10:40 |
| oimon | anyone wanna buy a touchpad :P | 10:40 |
| popey | :D | 10:40 |
| davmor2 | oimon: I got a tenna lying about somewhere :D | 10:41 |
| oimon | directhex: did you know this was gonna happen? | 10:41 |
| oimon | still loading .. | 10:41 |
| directhex | oimon, did you update to 3.0.2? there are severe speed bugs on 3.0.0 | 10:41 |
| oimon | how to update? | 10:41 |
| directhex | settings/system updates | 10:41 |
| directhex | there's also a bug in 3.0.0 where sometimes apps fail to start... | 10:42 |
| davmor2 | oimon: did you even glance at the manual? | 10:42 |
| oimon | this is all very linuxy | 10:42 |
| directhex | 3.0.0 did them no favours, really, since it's the version on display units | 10:42 |
| oimon | the manual is 5 pages long, then starts in french | 10:42 |
| davmor2 | oimon: the pdf version on the tablet? | 10:43 |
| oimon | directhex: i haven't done an update..did it take long? | 10:43 |
| oimon | maybe their servers are getting slammed today | 10:43 |
| directhex | oimon, it was slow, i reckon you're right | 10:44 |
| directhex | it's not finished installing yet, started a few minutes ago | 10:44 |
| oimon | did u find skype yet? | 10:44 |
| directhex | haven't looked, i don't use skype | 10:45 |
| directhex | okay, firmware installing | 10:46 |
| davmor2 | oimon: it might be in the updated system and not on the base unit | 10:46 |
| oimon | how long did u wait until something started happening | 10:46 |
| oimon | i must say the reviews i read were very kind to this machine | 10:46 |
| directhex | oimon, the firmware update? took a few seconds. update server is slammed - 168M update last week for pre3 was much faster than this 38M update | 10:47 |
| oimon | ah, skype is preinstalled, but called "phone and video calls" | 10:48 |
| oimon | directhex: ah, i closed the windows and reopened, then started downloading, another bug | 10:51 |
| oimon | did you buy any accessories? touchstone or case? | 10:52 |
| Mez | So, anyone got an iPod classic? | 10:54 |
| Mez | for some reason, banshee doesn't want to work with mine. | 10:57 |
| directhex | oimon, case, keyboard, touchstone. half price at pcworld | 11:03 |
| oimon | directhex: you bought all those? must have cost the same as the tablet | 11:04 |
| directhex | Linux HPTouchPad 2.6.35-palm-tenderloin #1 SMP PREEMPT 129.2.22 armv7l GNU/Linux | 11:08 |
| oimon | directhex: now running 3.02 | 11:31 |
| oimon | hey you have a terminal app? | 11:31 |
| davmor2 | oimon: now can you get the kindle app? | 11:32 |
| davmor2 | oimon: also check it's not another built in service :D | 11:33 |
| oimon | davmor2: no, it's US only | 11:33 |
| oimon | i wouldn't pay more than £100 for one of these | 11:40 |
| directhex | oimon, that's via a dev console. but i have a terminal app on my pre3 called "xterm" | 11:43 |
| oimon | are you finding the whole experience a bit laggy? | 11:44 |
| directhex | oimon, i'm at work. i can't say i'm poking it much | 11:44 |
| davmor2 | Mez: Just sent a reminder out to the list I will hopefully be there but late so we'll have to see how late :( | 11:56 |
| oimon | just bought a pack of mint club biscuits from the co-op. don't think i've eaten a club since school days | 12:39 |
| MooDoo | we have the orange ones in the office | 12:40 |
| Hippychick | if you like a lot of chocolate on your biscuit join our club | 12:44 |
| * BigRedS joins Hippychick's club | 12:44 | |
| MooDoo | lol not heard that in awhile | 12:44 |
| oimon | also...TRIIIIIO triiiio | 12:44 |
| MooDoo | um bongo um bongo they frink it in the congo | 12:45 |
| MooDoo | not choc though :) | 12:45 |
| Hippychick | mmmmm i want chocolate now.... | 12:45 |
| * MooDoo gives Hippychick some mint choc chip aero | 12:45 | |
| oimon | it was BOGOF in the coop too | 12:45 |
| Hippychick | yay :) | 12:45 |
| * AlanBell downloads latest oneiric to see if unity makes sense now | 12:46 | |
| MooDoo | AlanBell: nope :) lol | 12:46 |
| oimon | some slacker hadn't put out the labels yet but the friendly till lady said hey oimon, its a bogof, you can get another :) | 12:46 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer has just installed last night's daily onto Magrat. | 12:46 | |
| oimon | unity might make sense on a touchpad though | 12:47 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Had to use the alternate installer - desktop failed. :-( | 12:47 |
| AlanBell | it would be so easy to make it make sense, just get the BFB to open a lense of all *installed* applications categorised by their gnome menu category | 12:47 |
| Hippychick | i like unity on my laptop, single screen, i just dont think it works on my desktop with dual screen.... | 12:47 |
| oimon | while permanently hiding the dash? | 12:48 |
| MooDoo | i just use ubuntu classic, although i've not seen how to use this with the new lightdm | 12:48 |
| oimon | MooDoo: in oneiric? | 12:48 |
| MooDoo | oimon: yeah | 12:48 |
| oimon | i have it | 12:49 |
| oimon | you have to install a package | 12:49 |
| MooDoo | ah! | 12:49 |
| oimon | hold on, i'll check the apt.log | 12:49 |
| oimon | looking in my history, i did a apt-get install gnome-panel | 12:51 |
| MooDoo | well i'll give that a try tonight, ta! :) | 12:51 |
| oimon | no prob, hope i'm right. i def have it now tho | 12:52 |
| oimon | although it looks a cross between gnome shell and gnome 2 | 12:54 |
| oimon | approx 50x quicker than uinity on this hardware | 12:54 |
| log69 | hi all! anyone interested in helping me test my software: tomld? security related stuff. I'm about to release my first stable version soon. my site: http://log69.com/tomld_en.html | 12:57 |
| === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia-remote | ||
| Laney | We are writing to let you know that we have cancelled the following item from your order: | 13:27 |
| Laney | Title: HP TouchPad 9.7 inch Tablet PC (16GB, Glossy Black) - UK Version | 13:27 |
| Laney | :'( | 13:27 |
| MooDoo | bummer :( | 13:29 |
| Hippychick | dont shoot me but what are these touchpads you all keep going onabout? | 13:40 |
| ikonia-remote | they are directhex's nemasis | 13:40 |
| BigRedS | HP tablet that was massively reduced a couple of days ago and sold out within about five minutes | 13:40 |
| ikonia-remote | BigRedS: are people still snapping them up ? | 13:41 |
| Hippychick | ahh, might have to have a look later | 13:41 |
| BigRedS | ikonia-remote: nah, they sold out | 13:42 |
| ikonia-remote | BigRedS: totally gone now ? | 13:42 |
| BigRedS | ikonia-remote: pretty much# | 13:43 |
| BigRedS | from what I gather | 13:43 |
| ikonia-remote | wow, be interesting to see what people end up doing with them | 13:43 |
| daubers | GAH! Would it kill F/OSS developers to have some actual explanation of what a blasted function does _somewhere_!!!!!! | 13:43 |
| kirrus | daubers: yes. | 13:43 |
| BigRedS | daubers: read the code and patch the docs kthx | 13:43 |
| kirrus | And yes, I've said exactly that a couple of times :( | 13:44 |
| ikonia-remote | so why keep saying it ? | 13:44 |
| oimon | there are more people in #touchdroid than in #touchpad ...kind of says something | 13:44 |
| daubers | BigRedS: I've just spent half an hour chasing my tail trying to find out what a function does, but sometimes it seems to just set a pointer to point at the function itself! | 13:44 |
| kirrus | ended up having a lengthy email conversation with the dev for them to explain their configuration syntax.. | 13:44 |
| daubers | Lovely, the docs seem to say "You need to use this" but doesn't say what "this" is, or what it does | 13:49 |
| * daubers prepares to waste another hour or two wasting his time digging through someone elses spaghetti | 13:50 | |
| daubers | seriously, would one line of //This function calls such and such to act upon something kill someone | 13:50 |
| MartijnVdS | *sigh* explain the WHY not the WHAT | 13:51 |
| MartijnVdS | that should be printed in BOLD every time some book/howto explains commenting | 13:52 |
| BigRedS | Well, if you're exporting functions, what's pretty handy, too | 13:52 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: high-level what, yes | 13:52 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: If I even had the what I could figure out the why, since I have neither, I'm wasting my time | 13:52 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: but prefixing every line like this: | 13:52 |
| MartijnVdS | // Add 1 to i | 13:53 |
| MartijnVdS | i += 1; | 13:53 |
| MartijnVdS | NO | 13:53 |
| daubers | FFS! Now I found part of something it's calling that references me to a file that no longer exists | 13:54 |
| daubers | *mumble mumble mumble blasted samba* | 13:54 |
| BigRedS | MartijnVdS: no, obviously not. But he's not wanting to read the code that supplies the function, just know what it is that the function does | 13:54 |
| daubers | Actually, what I want to know is what to feed the function and what it returns. All I so far know is that I need to use it because the docs tell me too. No idea what to pass it or what to expect back | 13:55 |
| * daubers falls over stunned | 13:56 | |
| daubers | an actual function declaration with an actual comment explaining what it's for! | 13:57 |
| MooDoo | daubers: oi stop looking at your own code and get on with work :) | 13:57 |
| daubers | Shockingly, this function is commented throughout so I can actually figure out why it's doing things! MY GOD! THE UNIVERSE WILL PROBABLY NOW END! | 13:58 |
| * BigRedS wonders if daubers needs tranquilising | 13:59 | |
| daubers | BigRedS: I need a holiday :( | 14:00 |
| BigRedS | They're addictive | 14:00 |
| BigRedS | I only got back from mine on Monday and I'd like another now | 14:00 |
| directhex | ikonia, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKM6NdFsJxU | 14:00 |
| ikonia-remote | directhex: can't view it | 14:02 |
| ikonia-remote | directhex: remote site is causing me a ton of problems | 14:02 |
| oimon | poor popey. but you do have an ipad already? | 14:11 |
| directhex | Laney, amazon cancelled my order too. except i already cancelled this morning | 14:12 |
| ikonia-remote | directhex: you canceled your tablet ? | 14:12 |
| Laney | argos came up trumps | 14:12 |
| directhex | ikonia-remote, argos success | 14:13 |
| directhex | ikonia, i've already got 3.0.2 and preware on there | 14:13 |
| oimon | directhex: got a link for preware? | 14:15 |
| directhex | preware.org | 14:15 |
| directhex | i already have the webos sdk installed, so it was easiest to install by downloading the ipk from get.preware.org and running palm-install Downloads/org.webosinternals.preware_1.7.0_arm.ipk | 14:16 |
| directhex | there are other ways to install things if you don't have the sdk handy | 14:16 |
| oimon | directhex: sounds like you're already up to speed with this webos stuff :) | 14:17 |
| directhex | oimon, i have x11 on my phone, so yeah! | 14:17 |
| AlanBell | well I have the daily oneiric running in a VM and it is still completely useless for finding and running the applications I have installed | 14:22 |
| MooDoo | AlanBell: yup :) | 14:23 |
| BigRedS | AlanBell: yeah, I'm running it on my PC at home, and alt+f2 and the thingy that comes up with the windows key are worse than in 11.04 unity | 14:23 |
| BigRedS | arguments not passed, some commands just not executed at all, no feedback whatsoever | 14:23 |
| BigRedS | it is purple now, though | 14:23 |
| MooDoo | hopefully i can run gnome-panel in oneiric | 14:23 |
| oimon | just received a message from my bro in law who just installed 11.04 by himself and is loving it :) | 14:23 |
| AlanBell | I fail to understand why there isn't a default lense that does what the gnome menu does | 14:24 |
| MooDoo | oimon: awesome :) | 14:24 |
| directhex | oimon, but did he install it... on a touchpad? | 14:24 |
| oimon | he's in scandinavia, i don't think TP is over there :) | 14:25 |
| popey | ☺ oimon | 14:40 |
| ikonia-remote | activision suck, they with draw vintage games from production (ok that's fine) but then they also remove them from their website and online shop for download | 14:48 |
| ikonia-remote | I've come away and left a simple game at home that runs on this crappy laptop and passes a few hours when bored, now activision have removed it so I can't even buy it again to download it while I'm away | 14:49 |
| Azelphur | Amazon cancelled my HP Touchpad order :( | 14:49 |
| ikonia-remote | others where saying that earlier | 14:51 |
| Azelphur | anyone know where else I might get one | 14:55 |
| Azelphur | kinda sad that amazon would wait 3 days to screw me over, makes it so much harder to get one. | 14:55 |
| directhex | Azelphur, tesco are the only big player who hasn't dropped prices. otherwise, you're waiting for stock to reappear | 14:57 |
| popey | Azelphur: they hardly screwed you over, drama queen | 14:57 |
| Azelphur | they made me not get a tablet for £89 :( | 14:57 |
| popey | "made" you | 14:57 |
| Azelphur | I ordered, they accepted the order, they didn't deliver. :( | 14:58 |
| directhex | forced him | 14:58 |
| directhex | i worked hard for my touchpad. been up without sleep for days! | 14:58 |
| popey | nothing to do with HP not having any left? | 14:58 |
| Azelphur | stock tracking: it's not rocket science | 14:59 |
| popey | hahah | 14:59 |
| Azelphur | if you have x of a product, don't sell more than x | 14:59 |
| popey | its nothing to do with stock tracking | 14:59 |
| popey | if they run out they order more with the supplier | 14:59 |
| directhex | Azelphur, the confusion is the limbo between "add to basket" and "order confirmed" | 15:00 |
| ikonia-remote | ammusing that now the project is dead, the people want the tablet | 15:00 |
| Azelphur | fun | 15:01 |
| ikonia-remote | this is better marketing than HP could ever have done themselves | 15:01 |
| directhex | Azelphur, if i add 99 to my basket, does that mean they have 99 less stock? what if i leave them there for a day? | 15:01 |
| popey | s/dead/cheap/ | 15:01 |
| Azelphur | directhex: yea, that makes sense | 15:01 |
| BigRedS | I like the idea that all these people are buying it to stick Android on them | 15:01 |
| BigRedS | nice vote of confidence in WebOS there | 15:01 |
| directhex | BigRedS, it's retarded | 15:01 |
| Azelphur | yea, there's a $2000+ bounty on android being ported | 15:01 |
| Azelphur | I'm buying it for android. | 15:01 |
| directhex | BigRedS, "i got a cheap ferrari, now i have somewhere to stick the engine from my nova!" | 15:01 |
| ikonia-remote | Azelphur: does it even work with android at the momen t? | 15:01 |
| Azelphur | don't think so | 15:02 |
| ikonia-remote | Azelphur: so you're buying a product, to use with a product that currently doesn't work, and may never work %100 in the medium / long term | 15:02 |
| ikonia-remote | Azelphur: you could just buy an android tablet ? | 15:02 |
| Azelphur | ikonia-remote: not the first time I've done it :) | 15:02 |
| ikonia-remote | fair enough, not for me, but good luck to you | 15:03 |
| Azelphur | ikonia-remote: lol find me an android tablet with those specs for £90 xD | 15:03 |
| directhex | very few £90 android tablets have webos, this is true | 15:03 |
| ikonia-remote | Azelphur: let me find something else that is a worthless brick to you and I'll sell it you for £40 | 15:03 |
| Azelphur | hows it a worthless brick? it's going to have android ported to it o.O | 15:03 |
| directhex | android :( | 15:04 |
| ikonia-remote | Azelphur: it "may" have android ported to it | 15:04 |
| ikonia-remote | and it "may" work | 15:04 |
| Azelphur | yea, it's a gamble, but £89 for a tablet that'd usually cost £400 is worth the gamble | 15:04 |
| Azelphur | plus I can always put Ubuntu on there if all else fails | 15:05 |
| ikonia-remote | how can you put ubuntu on it ? | 15:05 |
| popey | chroot | 15:05 |
| Azelphur | google it, it's already been done | 15:05 |
| directhex | ikonia, you can run an ubuntu chroot fairly easily | 15:05 |
| ikonia-remote | chroot....there we go | 15:05 |
| directhex | i'm tempted to get it working, just so i can run spacechem | 15:05 |
| Azelphur | but yea, I'm not afraid of buying things that arn't quite finished yet | 15:06 |
| Azelphur | I bought a G19, G13 and G930 knowing that all of them had no Linux drivers | 15:06 |
| ikonia-remote | or not started.... | 15:06 |
| Azelphur | took a few months, but I have drivers now :) | 15:06 |
| ikonia-remote | be pretty bad luck if they couldn't get the screen or wifi or something working in android | 15:06 |
| Azelphur | I also bought 2 jogglers back when it was cheap, even though it had no OS's known to be working on it | 15:07 |
| krimzon2 | if you can get <£100 android tablets, are there any unlocked android phones in that price range? | 15:07 |
| ikonia-remote | I'm clearly getting board as I enjoy my vendor support | 15:07 |
| Azelphur | krimzon2: check out the ZTE Blade | 15:07 |
| Azelphur | it's like £100 on the spot and is actually a really nice phone | 15:07 |
| gord | when the jogglers were £50? you could get ubuntu on them then | 15:07 |
| gord | thats why i got one | 15:07 |
| popey | AndyPad! | 15:07 |
| Azelphur | krimzon2: orange sell it under the San Francisco brand name | 15:07 |
| popey | http://www.andypad.co.uk/ | 15:07 |
| freakyclown | yeah seen those - they look pretty cool | 15:08 |
| popey | we're getting one for review on the podcast | 15:08 |
| freakyclown | lucky buggers | 15:08 |
| popey | probably give it away | 15:08 |
| directhex | krimzon2, wait for <100 pre3! | 15:08 |
| freakyclown | let me come and play with it first! | 15:08 |
| AlanBell | the big one looks good | 15:08 |
| popey | hehe | 15:09 |
| popey | wonder if you can flash it with webos :D | 15:09 |
| ikonia-remote | I'm putting Windows 8 on my kindle | 15:09 |
| MooDoo | windows 8 O_o | 15:09 |
| krimzon2 | i googled and zte blades were all a fair bit more than 100 | 15:09 |
| ikonia-remote | actually the kindle would make a great dumb VT 100 wise terminal style product | 15:09 |
| directhex | ikonia-remote, i wonder how many retail customers have ever used touch-to-share | 15:09 |
| ikonia-remote | screen+keyboard+wifi | 15:09 |
| directhex | krimzon2, zte blade == orange san francisco | 15:09 |
| ikonia-remote | directhex: ........none ? | 15:09 |
| directhex | ikonia-remote, i tested it. it works! | 15:10 |
| ikonia-remote | very cool | 15:10 |
| directhex | ikonia-remote, i suspect i could count with body parts the number of people buying a cheap touchpad who own a pre3 | 15:11 |
| ikonia-remote | ha ha | 15:12 |
| krimzon2 | I wouldn't go with orange again | 15:12 |
| Hippychick | popey: oly has promised me an andypad if i get a new higher paid job \o/ | 15:12 |
| oimon | i heard more touchpads are on the way | 15:13 |
| Hippychick | i now have an interview on friday :P | 15:13 |
| ikonia-remote | that's a good deal, you get more money, he'll buy you something | 15:13 |
| ikonia-remote | I'd like that deal | 15:13 |
| Hippychick | hehe | 15:13 |
| freakyclown | kindle has already been hacked to run ubuntu - would be easy to implement a kiosk style terminal thing | 15:13 |
| popey | hehe Hippychick | 15:13 |
| ikonia-remote | freakyclown: I'd be interested if it was just a vt1000 that could connect to networks and thus machines as a terminal emmulator | 15:14 |
| ikonia-remote | basically a lightweight mobile terminal emmulator | 15:14 |
| ikonia-remote | that would be an amazing use of the kindle | 15:14 |
| popey | mmmmm vt100 | 15:14 |
| ikonia-remote | popey: you on board ? | 15:14 |
| * popey wants a vt100 or 101 | 15:14 | |
| ikonia-remote | K100 project is born | 15:14 |
| popey | no, I want a real physical VT100 | 15:14 |
| ikonia-remote | popey: I have a wyse in my attick | 15:14 |
| ikonia-remote | you're welcome to it | 15:15 |
| popey | thank you | 15:15 |
| popey | but its not a VT100 | 15:15 |
| popey | :D | 15:15 |
| ikonia-remote | it can do vt100 | 15:15 |
| ikonia-remote | it's not a vt100 device though | 15:15 |
| popey | indeed | 15:15 |
| popey | my "I want a VT100 or VT101" means very much exactly that. | 15:15 |
| ikonia-remote | I'll re-phrase, "please take my wyse" | 15:16 |
| popey | haha | 15:16 |
| ikonia-remote | take my wyse......please | 15:16 |
| ikonia-remote | old school stand up gag hac | 15:16 |
| ikonia-remote | hack | 15:16 |
| directhex | krimzon2, http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/mobiles/mobile-phones/SAMSUNG-I5800-GALAXY-APOLLO/HANDSET&clearance=false | 15:16 |
| popey | he's here all week | 15:16 |
| ikonia-remote | thank you | 15:16 |
| directhex | http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/mobiles/mobile-phones/SAMSUNG-I5500-EUROPA/HANDSET&clearance=false | 15:16 |
| directhex | http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/mobiles/mobile-phones/SONY-ERIC-X10-MINI-LITE/HANDSET&clearance=false | 15:17 |
| directhex | three <£100 unlocked android phones | 15:17 |
| Azelphur | krimzon2: lies! | 15:17 |
| krimzon2 | nice | 15:17 |
| BigRedS | if you buy a samsung you get extra annoying-apple points, too :) | 15:17 |
| mgdm | popey: want to do something like http://www.flickr.com/photos/carrierdetect/2948518209/ ? :) | 15:18 |
| ikonia-remote | is the kindle open hardware ? | 15:18 |
| popey | awwww mgdm | 15:18 |
| Azelphur | krimzon2: http://www.prepaymania.co.uk/mobilephone/san-francisco-android-mobile-phone-orange-pay-as-you-go.html?base&source=googleps | 15:18 |
| popey | I'd happily run a serial cable into another machine | 15:18 |
| dwatkins | mgdm: makes me wish I hadn't given away my character terminal :) | 15:18 |
| directhex | ikonia-remote, amazon are actively hostile to working with upstreams. they have a strict no-upstreaming policy for employee changes to stuff | 15:19 |
| krimzon2 | hah, I suck at searching for stuff to buy, it seems | 15:19 |
| Azelphur | krimzon2: I'd really recommend the blade, it's really quite fast for what it is. | 15:19 |
| Azelphur | You have to take the orange firmware off it for it to be fast, since the orange firmware is a bit crap | 15:19 |
| ikonia-remote | directhex: sound a delightful policy....where can I spend my money to purchase a device for development..... ;) | 15:19 |
| Azelphur | but that's easy to do | 15:19 |
| mgdm | popey / dwatkins: I have enough small Linux boxes that I could do that with, just need the terminal :) | 15:20 |
| popey | ooo, yeah, strap something to the back of it | 15:20 |
| popey | viglen :D | 15:20 |
| mgdm | Yep :D or Bifferboard, or Arduino, or NSLU2... :) | 15:21 |
| mgdm | actually it'd be amusing to strap a Viglen to the back of a touchscreen and make a megaJoggler | 15:21 |
| popey | hah | 15:21 |
| popey | not very mega with a viglen | 15:21 |
| mgdm | More in terms of dimensions than performance | 15:22 |
| daubers | There was an fpga board I was looking at the other day that was emulating the Z8 (?) processor | 15:22 |
| ali1234 | you could achieve the same thing with a house brick | 15:22 |
| ali1234 | but why? | 15:22 |
| dwatkins | I'd like to build a media PC to strap to the back of my TV with a slot-loading DVD player so I can just push DVDs into the side of the TV. | 15:22 |
| mgdm | daubers: Z80? | 15:22 |
| daubers | mgdm: Maybe, was a papilo board I think | 15:23 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | w00t! Me and the kids soldered up our nanode this afternoon. And the blinky led test passed! | 16:05 |
| mgdm | TheOpenSourcerer: \o/ | 16:05 |
| mfraz74 | well done | 16:07 |
| mgdm | I have a Diavolino | 16:08 |
| mgdm | Arudiono clone, no networky bits yet | 16:08 |
| mgdm | I might get a Nanode later on, though | 16:08 |
| freakyclown | bah i really need to sort my nanode mod out | 16:08 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/status/106397397793509376 | 16:09 |
| Adriannom | ikonia-remote, what model is the wyse? | 16:09 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | mgdm: Nice thing about the nanode is it has Ethernet and USB built in | 16:09 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Better start learning how to programme it tomorrow then. | 16:10 |
| mgdm | TheOpenSourcerer: yeah, seeing that. Probably cheaper in the long run than the Diavolino, but that was an impulse buy at FrOSCon :) | 16:10 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | As was the nanode ;-) - Still don't really know what we will do with it.... Just something for fun and the kids to learn | 16:11 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | They have both learned the basics of soldering today | 16:11 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | 6 & 10yr | 16:11 |
| mgdm | My first thing will be http://jimmieprodgers.com/lolshield/ :) | 16:12 |
| mgdm | which I also bought, but haven't soldered yet. | 16:12 |
| freakyclown | w00t | 16:16 |
| freakyclown | nanode blinking :D | 16:16 |
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| ikonia-remote | Adriannom: 310 I think..... | 16:52 |
| BigRedS | Hm. Anyone familiar with PHP packaging? | 17:00 |
| BigRedS | Prior to installing php-soap I've got soap bits and pieces in phpinfo(), and I can't find out what it is that php-soap actually provides... | 17:01 |
| BigRedS | Ah, it'd appear that there's a few different soap implementations in PHP | 17:01 |
| BigRedS | so one's in vanilla PHP, another's provided by php-soap | 17:02 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Yay! How exciting... Our Nanode has just got it's first ever IP address using DHCP. 10.0.0.23 | 17:24 |
| dwatkins | TheOpenSourcerer: nice, might have to look into getting something like that - seems more capbale than the Arduino | 17:30 |
| directhex | i'm not enough of a hacker to make use of such devices | 17:31 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | They are £20 so not much money. (But you do need a FTDI-USB cable which was £12 from Farnell | 17:31 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | directhex: Me neither ;-) | 17:31 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Just thought it would be fun. | 17:31 |
| directhex | i have a touchpad though | 17:31 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | So far it has been. | 17:32 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | damn you | 17:32 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Still it will be a brick soon enough I guess ;-) | 17:32 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Better go and prepare supper for the famile | 17:32 |
| dwatkins | I assume the USB cable is the same as my printer and musical keyboard use, USB A-B | 17:33 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I doubt it | 17:33 |
| MartijnVdS | could be A-mini-B | 17:33 |
| MartijnVdS | or A-microB | 17:33 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | USB to TTL | 17:33 |
| MartijnVdS | ah | 17:33 |
| dwatkins | no worries, they're only a postal delivery away | 17:33 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | http://uk.farnell.com/ftdi/ttl-232r-3v3/cable-usb-to-ttl-level-seri-converter/dp/1329311 | 17:33 |
| dwatkins | thanks TheOpenSourcerer :) | 17:33 |
| dwatkins | ah I see, yes | 17:33 |
| * dwatkins assumed the connector on the right was USB | 17:34 | |
| TheOpenSourcerer | You can get them from other places too but I needed to buy a few other bits and bobs from them so... | 17:34 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | eBay have them | 17:34 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | and other stockists | 17:34 |
| MartijnVdS | has allekabels.nl expanded to the rest of Europe yet/ | 17:34 |
| MartijnVdS | they rock :) | 17:34 |
| freakyclown | \o/ so impressed at the nanode | 17:34 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | There is a chip inside the USB connector case. | 17:34 |
| freakyclown | if you guys are interested in the way i got round the ftdi cable issue ill sort out some pics :) | 17:35 |
| freakyclown | so im using a NORMAL usb cable :) | 17:35 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Oooh. | 17:35 |
| MartijnVdS | freakyclown: you have a B socket that connects to the strange header? | 17:35 |
| MartijnVdS | freakyclown: s/have/made/ | 17:36 |
| freakyclown | give me a few minutes and ill take soem pics :) | 17:36 |
| freakyclown | will show the cool case i made too | 17:36 |
| dwatkins | oh, so it is a normal USB socket? *confused look* | 17:36 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Must go or else family will be hungry. | 17:36 |
| MartijnVdS | hmm | 17:37 |
| MartijnVdS | yummy spinach & bacon pie | 17:37 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | pizza tonight, | 17:37 |
| MartijnVdS | (& cheese, garlic, oregano) | 17:37 |
| diplo- | dwatkins, sounds like freakyclown has hacked something to allow him to use normal usb | 17:37 |
| dwatkins | I just had cheese & broccili pasta for a snack, sausage and mash later :D | 17:37 |
| ali1234 | where is the schematic? | 17:48 |
| ali1234 | nvm i found it | 17:52 |
| dwatkins | Whereabouts, ali1234? | 17:53 |
| dwatkins | I don't see diagrams on nanode.eu | 17:53 |
| ali1234 | http://www.thingiverse.com/download:26079 | 17:53 |
| dwatkins | thanks | 17:53 |
| dwatkins | haha, I forgot I even had Eagle installed ;) | 17:55 |
| ali1234 | ah ok i see | 17:56 |
| ali1234 | this board uses AVR software usb stack | 17:56 |
| ali1234 | so it doesn't need the onboard ftdi chip that arduino has | 17:56 |
| ali1234 | the one that prevents you from making real usb devices from arduino | 17:56 |
| ali1234 | it's about time someone made something like this | 17:57 |
| ali1234 | the arduino is really limited because of that design flaw | 17:57 |
| dwatkins | I guess if you only occasionally connect the USB to programme it, it doesn't matter that it's not optimised for that | 17:57 |
| ali1234 | yes if you only made a circuit to blink your christmas tree lights then you might not need usb | 17:57 |
| ali1234 | but if you want to make some kind of HID controller then arduino is rubbish because it won't work with standard drivers | 17:58 |
| ali1234 | actually even newer arduinos corrected this flaw | 17:58 |
| ali1234 | but in a really horrible way | 17:58 |
| ali1234 | they replaced the ftdi chip with a reprogrammable chip | 17:58 |
| ali1234 | so you can make usb devices | 17:58 |
| ali1234 | but then you can't reprogram it with the arduino software any more | 17:59 |
| dwatkins | so you could do more with the nanode because its USB port is adaptable, as opposed to just supplying serial data like the Arduino? | 17:59 |
| ali1234 | exactly | 17:59 |
| dwatkins | cool | 17:59 |
| ali1234 | so nanode gets my seal of approval | 17:59 |
| ali1234 | however, you are better off buying a maple from leaf labs anyway | 17:59 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: http://ingol.nl/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/seal-of-approval.jpg | 18:00 |
| ali1234 | it's also arduino shield compatible while having reprogrammable USB, but it is based on a 32 bit arm chip | 18:00 |
| dwatkins | so many choices | 18:00 |
| dwatkins | I suspect my best bet (not having done anything with a soldering iron aside form build a few amps and LED chaser) is to start off with a tutorial or two on programming such a board | 18:01 |
| ali1234 | programming these boards is easy | 18:01 |
| ali1234 | you just plug in the cable and click program | 18:01 |
| dwatkins | Well, I fixed my girlfriend's light-harp (Arduino) project, but that was mainly driven by the desire to sleep at 5am ;) | 18:01 |
| MartijnVdS | deciding what you're going to use them for, that's hard :) | 18:01 |
| dwatkins | yeah, Processing seems like a very simple language. | 18:01 |
| dwatkins | MartijnVdS: indeedy :) | 18:01 |
| dwatkins | I'd like to make a weather station, although that sort of thing already exists for the most part | 18:02 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: that's why I didn't get into arduino things.. | 18:02 |
| MartijnVdS | I know I'll use it for a few weeks.. and then it'll just sit there | 18:02 |
| dwatkins | I need to put my Larsonator in a translucent box. | 18:02 |
| MartijnVdS | Larsonator? | 18:03 |
| dwatkins | Sorry, Larson Scanner - from Knight Rider / Battlestar Galactica :) | 18:03 |
| MartijnVdS | ah! | 18:03 |
| dwatkins | http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/larsonkit | 18:03 |
| ali1234 | that's a project arduino is perfect for | 18:03 |
| dwatkins | really easy project | 18:03 |
| ikonia-remote | I'll put my Larson Kit in my Dyson sphere | 18:04 |
| dwatkins | yeah, I imagine you could programme the ATMega and then take it out and put it in a board with whatever supporting components it needs | 18:04 |
| MartijnVdS | you could probably make that with a timer, some capacitors... no intelligence needed | 18:04 |
| ali1234 | of course you could | 18:04 |
| ali1234 | you think they had arduinos in 1976 or whenever battlestar galactica was made? | 18:04 |
| dwatkins | I hear there are a lot of people making things with an Arduino when they could build the same with 555-timers, but at least they're learning something with them | 18:05 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: sure | 18:05 |
| ali1234 | lol, they're learning to take the easy way out | 18:05 |
| dwatkins | heh true | 18:05 |
| ali1234 | throw more cpu power at the problem instead of designing it properly | 18:05 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: Yes, everone should write ASM first, before they learn modern/high-level languages | 18:05 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: just so they know what it's built on :) | 18:05 |
| ali1234 | no, they should learn hardware design first | 18:05 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: oh of course, gates and stuff | 18:05 |
| ali1234 | RC circuits first | 18:06 |
| dwatkins | ali1234: I couldn't agree more having seen how some people build electronics projects | 18:06 |
| dwatkins | RC? | 18:06 |
| ali1234 | resistor/capacitor | 18:06 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: building an analog scope, then upgrading it to digital | 18:06 |
| dwatkins | as in discrete... ah right yes | 18:06 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: would be a nice project | 18:06 |
| MartijnVdS | oscilloscope, that is | 18:06 |
| dwatkins | We learned how to work with flip-flops in my school electronics class | 18:06 |
| MartijnVdS | I don't know if it's usual to abbreviate it to "scope" in English like it is in Dutch | 18:07 |
| ali1234 | you know when i was at university this is actually how they taught | 18:07 |
| ali1234 | starting with hardware design classes and assembler | 18:07 |
| dwatkins | Oscilloscope Sure, 'scope' suffices. | 18:07 |
| ali1234 | they didn't teach C/java until second year | 18:07 |
| * dwatkins throws a question mark at the previous sentence | 18:07 | |
| ali1234 | everything else was pure maths | 18:07 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: we had simple 'connect the wires' boards with several switches, several AND/OR/NOT gates on them | 18:07 |
| dwatkins | MartijnVdS: I kinda wish we had those for the less able people in the class ;) | 18:07 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: we connected 20 together for a simulated traffic light installation :) | 18:07 |
| dwatkins | hehe, neat | 18:08 |
| dwatkins | I vaguely remember making a counter. | 18:08 |
| Monster | hi | 18:08 |
| dwatkins | This reminds me, I was going to make a speed-o-meter, I'm pretty sure I don't need an Arduino for that. | 18:08 |
| dwatkins | Saw a really nice project to make one just like what they have in Back to the Future on the dashboard, even down to making the plastic box look identical. | 18:09 |
| diplo- | Hmm, think i may have a go at writing a XBMC plugin tonight | 18:11 |
| gord | diplo-, its horrible | 18:30 |
| gord | i wrote one... not a fun time | 18:30 |
| diplo- | First test failed, install failed :( | 18:30 |
| diplo- | Find out how to turn debugging on i suppose | 18:30 |
| gord | nope | 18:30 |
| gord | there is a log file | 18:31 |
| diplo- | ah okay, will go and find that I guess. | 18:31 |
| gord | y'know whats awesome about xbmc development | 18:32 |
| gord | they bundle their own python | 18:32 |
| gord | its hideously out of date | 18:32 |
| gord | it makes it neigh impossible to test outside of xbmc because of conflicting problems =\ | 18:32 |
| MartijnVdS | \o/ | 18:33 |
| MartijnVdS | sound wonderfgul | 18:33 |
| diplo- | :/ | 18:33 |
| diplo- | Well as i am fairly new to python ill get to those issues no doubt | 18:33 |
| diplo- | found log file | 18:33 |
| diplo- | Could not read add on description | 18:34 |
| * diplo- goes in search | 18:34 | |
| diplo- | Not erroring now, but also not displaying.. getting closer | 18:42 |
| diplo- | :D | 18:42 |
| freakyclown | http://www.freakyclown.com/nanode/nanode1.jpg | 19:04 |
| freakyclown | http://www.freakyclown.com/nanode/nanode2.jpg | 19:04 |
| MartijnVdS | freakyclown: is it just pin rewiring? | 19:04 |
| freakyclown | http://www.freakyclown.com/nanode/nanode3.jpg | 19:04 |
| freakyclown | http://www.freakyclown.com/nanode/nanode4.jpg | 19:04 |
| MartijnVdS | ah it's not :) | 19:05 |
| freakyclown | nope its that little red breakout board | 19:05 |
| freakyclown | which is the ftdi controller | 19:05 |
| MartijnVdS | yeah, but I didn't see the underside in image #1 | 19:05 |
| MartijnVdS | but that looks like a reasonable solution | 19:05 |
| freakyclown | yeah i like it | 19:06 |
| freakyclown | means i can carry it around in its new case and just plug in a normal usb cable :) | 19:06 |
| ali1234 | why don't you just use the onboard usb? | 19:17 |
| daubers_ | lo | 19:27 |
| MartijnVdS | \o daubers_ | 19:29 |
| MartijnVdS | growing a tail now? :) | 19:29 |
| HazRPG | hey all \o | 19:33 |
| HazRPG | just got back from the zoo :) | 19:33 |
| MartijnVdS | hey haz | 19:33 |
| HazRPG | hmm, my sister is having trouble with her mp3 player and banshee | 19:33 |
| brobostigon | evening HazRPG :) | 19:33 |
| MartijnVdS | HazRPG: on a stable release, or oneiric? | 19:34 |
| HazRPG | MartijnVdS: hey :) | 19:34 |
| HazRPG | MartijnVdS: natty :) | 19:34 |
| daubers_ | MartijnVdS: Indeed, because I'm here an over there :p | 19:34 |
| MartijnVdS | HazRPG: what kind of mp3 player? maybe it needs some fiddling in /usr/share/media-player-info | 19:34 |
| HazRPG | brobostigon: hey :) | 19:34 |
| HazRPG | its a creative zen style 300 | 19:34 |
| MartijnVdS | HazRPG: there are several Creative Zen devices in that dir already | 19:35 |
| HazRPG | lsusb says "Bus 001 Device 020: ID 041e:2016 Creative Technology, Ltd" | 19:35 |
| MartijnVdS | HazRPG: czech it out :) | 19:35 |
| HazRPG | MartijnVdS: czech? | 19:35 |
| MartijnVdS | check :) | 19:35 |
| MartijnVdS | pronounce them, they're similar :) | 19:35 |
| daubers_ | \o/ Working from home tomorrow. Almost finished tidying the masses of electronic components off my desk | 19:36 |
| HazRPG | lol yeah, I instantly assumed it was a terminal command | 19:36 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers_: *WIPE* ? | 19:36 |
| daubers_ | Hmmm? | 19:36 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers_: easiest way to clean a desk.. put your arm on it and wipe | 19:37 |
| daubers_ | Also, amazingly the Nanode talk has nearly had more viewers than the Digital Image Forensics talk | 19:37 |
| HazRPG | MartijnVdS: ah, hers isn't in there... zen style isn't there at all :( | 19:37 |
| daubers_ | MartijnVdS: Ah… no :) Some of it's important and/or expensive and/or going to make me slightly richer (maybe a few bob once in a blue moon) | 19:37 |
| MartijnVdS | HazRPG: figure out what it's similar to, then add it | 19:39 |
| HazRPG | MartijnVdS: cool, I'll try that :) | 19:40 |
| MartijnVdS | HazRPG: and file a bug on the media-player-info package | 19:40 |
| MartijnVdS | HazRPG: if it's not USB mass storage, you might have to poke around with libmtp, that's more fiddly | 19:40 |
| MartijnVdS | it tends to want a recompile before it will recognise a new device properly | 19:40 |
| HazRPG | ah | 19:48 |
| HazRPG | well it's a USB mass storage device | 19:48 |
| HazRPG | not sure which is similar, but going to have a quick look now | 19:49 |
| MartijnVdS | probably one of the other Creatives | 19:50 |
| MartijnVdS | HazRPG: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-player-info -> check current (and old) bugs for how to get support for new devices | 19:51 |
| === daubers_ is now known as daubers | ||
| marsilainen | hi all, I'm having an issue with a lucid machine which has two network interfaces | 20:01 |
| marsilainen | one of the interfaces (wlan0) is set to pickup dhcp and seems to be working fine | 20:02 |
| marsilainen | I'm trying to make the other interface (eth0) use static | 20:02 |
| marsilainen | also, I want to be a dhcp server on the eth0 interface | 20:02 |
| marsilainen | in /etc/network/interfaces I have eth0 set to static with ip etc and when I start /etc/init.d/networking it gets the correct IP: 192.168.8.1 | 20:03 |
| marsilainen | the dhcp server is running on eth0 fine too - a client machine connects and gets the IP address 192.168.8.64 | 20:04 |
| marsilainen | at some time later - within a few mins usually the eth0 address changes from 192.168.8.1 to 192.168.8.65 as though it has picked up a dhcp address from its own dhcp server | 20:04 |
| marsilainen | I'm not sure what could be causing that to happen? | 20:04 |
| ikonia-remote | marsilainen: is it running a dhcp server ? | 20:05 |
| ikonia-remote | marsilainen: do you see a lease file for your own machine ? | 20:06 |
| ikonia-remote | marsilainen: is gnome-network-manager running ? | 20:06 |
| ikonia-remote | marsilainen: what does the entry in the interfaces file say after the new IP | 20:06 |
| ikonia-remote | is dhclient running ? | 20:06 |
| ikonia-remote | all questions that need answers | 20:06 |
| marsilainen | ikonia-remote: yes, it is running a dhcp server | 20:09 |
| marsilainen | yes, there seems to be a lease file for my machine | 20:10 |
| marsilainen | it's headless so no gnome-network-manager | 20:10 |
| marsilainen | dhclient is running (needs that for wlan0 I guess) | 20:10 |
| marsilainen | one second | 20:10 |
| marsilainen | the entry for eth0 in interfaces is: | 20:11 |
| marsilainen | iface eth0 inet static | 20:11 |
| marsilainen | address 192.168.8.1 | 20:12 |
| marsilainen | netmask 255.255.255.0 | 20:12 |
| ikonia-remote | marsilainen: ok, so either a.) that file is being ignored. b.) something else is overriding it (such as gnome-network-manager) and starting dhclient on it | 20:12 |
| marsilainen | there is an "auto eth0" line before that block | 20:12 |
| marsilainen | gnome-network-manager isn't installed AFAIK | 20:12 |
| marsilainen | is there something else? | 20:12 |
| marsilainen | how about network-manager itself (non-gnome)? | 20:13 |
| marsilainen | doesn't seem to be installed though | 20:13 |
| ikonia-remote | why do you have an auto line and a static lines for the same device ? | 20:13 |
| marsilainen | isn't the auto line just telling it to automatically start that interface when networking starts? | 20:14 |
| ikonia-remote | or is it just auto eth0 without the dhcp line | 20:14 |
| marsilainen | correct | 20:14 |
| marsilainen | auto eth0 | 20:14 |
| marsilainen | then the block above: iface eth0 inet static etc... | 20:14 |
| HazRPG | MartijnVdS: what do I do after I've added one in? | 20:14 |
| ikonia-remote | so what on your system could be overriding it ? | 20:14 |
| marsilainen | I think that interfaces file is correct because if I do: /etc/init.d/networking restart then it goes back to 192.168.8.1 | 20:15 |
| ikonia-remote | marsilainen: ok, so something has to be overriding it | 20:15 |
| ikonia-remote | marsilainen: what is likley on your system ? | 20:15 |
| marsilainen | so it looks like that part is right and then something cuts in later and requests a dhcp address for it, but I don't know what? | 20:15 |
| marsilainen | I have no idea... that's why I'm here :) | 20:15 |
| ikonia-remote | marsilainen: do a ps -ef and see if anything jumps out | 20:16 |
| marsilainen | it's a fairly much stock lucid system | 20:16 |
| marsilainen | ok | 20:16 |
| ikonia-remote | marsilainen: is it a desktop install ? | 20:16 |
| marsilainen | no, server | 20:16 |
| ikonia-remote | so you used the server install CD ? | 20:17 |
| marsilainen | how does dhclient3 get launched? | 20:17 |
| marsilainen | I see it there in the ps listing | 20:17 |
| marsilainen | correct | 20:17 |
| ikonia-remote | marsilainen: you need to find what's launching it for eth0 - not what's launching it, | 20:17 |
| marsilainen | well yes | 20:17 |
| ikonia-remote | marsilainen: having it running is fine if you're using it on another interface | 20:17 |
| marsilainen | ikonia-remote: ok, but it's running twice, with different params, once for each interface | 20:19 |
| marsilainen | pointing at the leases files for the interface etc | 20:20 |
| ikonia-remote | marsilainen: ok, so you need to find what's launching it then, if it's doing it for both interfaces, look at the dhclient.conf also (maybe called dhclient3.conf on ubuntu | 20:22 |
| marsilainen | if I run "sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop" then the dhclient process for wlan0 dies, but the one for eth0 stays | 20:22 |
| marsilainen | even though both interfaces do go down | 20:22 |
| marsilainen | which seems odd... | 20:22 |
| marsilainen | maybe it's running from earlier before I changed the config? | 20:22 |
| marsilainen | maybe I should kill it and see if it comes back or not? | 20:22 |
| marsilainen | ok, I stopped networking, killed that process, and started networking again | 20:23 |
| marsilainen | now there is only dhclient running for wlan0 | 20:23 |
| marsilainen | so maybe that has done the trick | 20:23 |
| marsilainen | maybe it didn't get killed after I changed the config to make eth0 static or something? | 20:24 |
| marsilainen | perhaps I should have stopped networking before I made that changed | 20:24 |
| marsilainen | just a guess though | 20:24 |
| marsilainen | anyway, fingers crossed it doesn't come back... | 20:24 |
| ikonia-remote | do a reboot | 20:25 |
| ikonia-remote | clean state machine | 20:25 |
| marsilainen | sure, will do | 20:25 |
| marsilainen | right, well rebooted and it's come up looking correct | 20:27 |
| marsilainen | so I'll wait a while now to check it doesn't switch IP again | 20:27 |
| marsilainen | thanks for the help | 20:27 |
| ikonia-remote | marsilainen: you found it on your own, so well done you | 20:29 |
| marsilainen | seems to be keeping the right IP now so fingers crossed it's solved | 20:34 |
| AlanBell | https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=192756097451494 real life Monopoly game :) | 20:59 |
| AlanBell | !info r6040 | 22:27 |
| lubotu3 | Package r6040 does not exist in natty | 22:27 |
| gord | aww, flash broke i latest buntus :( | 22:32 |
| dwatkins | What kind of broke, gord? | 22:38 |
| gord | broke in to tiny little pieces | 22:39 |
| gord | hangs firefox, doesn't load the plugin in chromium | 22:39 |
| dwatkins | oh bah, any useful info from an strace? | 22:40 |
| dwatkins | I assume this is 11.04, gord. | 22:41 |
| AlanBell | and twitter explodes | 22:59 |
| AlanBell | Steve Jobs has resigned | 22:59 |
| gord | dwatkins, erm no, 11.10 | 23:01 |
| dwatkins | gord: ok thanks | 23:01 |
| hamitron | AlanBell: twitter explodes? | 23:03 |
| * hamitron dreams | 23:03 | |
| hamitron | ;) | 23:03 |
| freakyclown | shows that i follow only sensible people - took me several minutes of clicking about to find that news | 23:11 |
| ging | \o/ tell me it's true i hate that man | 23:19 |
| hamitron | now now ping | 23:19 |
| hamitron | ging | 23:19 |
| hamitron | ;) | 23:19 |
| * freakyclown acks ging | 23:21 | |
| HazRPG | \o | 23:36 |
| freakyclown | anyone got a good guide/tutorial on sending packets via the ES on nanode? | 23:41 |
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