[07:12] <diplo> Morning all
[07:14] <daubers> Morning
[07:18] <daubers> 13 left to upload
[07:34] <MartijnVdS> daubers: http://www.youtube.com/user/onlysevenleft ? :)
[07:45] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:47] <daubers> o/
[07:49] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[07:54] <MooDoo> :)
[07:54] <brobostigon> :)
[07:56] <freakyclown> you lot get up late!
[07:57] <christel> morning
[07:57] <brobostigon> morning christel
[07:57] <christel> MooDoo: hows the pregnancy coming along, it cant be long to go now?
[07:57] <christel> heya brobostigon :)
[07:57] <brobostigon> christel: :)
[07:59] <MooDoo> christel: still a week till the due date, but she's measuring 42 weeks already....she's ready for the baby to come now
[07:59] <christel> \o/
[07:59] <MooDoo> :)
[07:59] <christel> how exciting :D
[08:00] <MooDoo> yeah :)
[08:01]  * brobostigon pre-sends MooDoo varius kinds of ear-defenders.
[08:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matt Daubney] A quick hack to cheer up a rubbish couple of weeks - http://daubers.co.uk/2011/08/24/a-quick-hack-to-cheer-up-a-rubbish-couple-of-weeks/
[08:03] <MooDoo> brobostigon: already got a two year old in the terrible twos stage, already have perforated ear drums :D
[08:04] <brobostigon> MooDoo: eeeek, ohwell,
[08:06] <JamesTait> Good morning all!
[08:07] <Myrtti> ohai
[08:07]  * brobostigon cant tell jokes, he reackons.
[08:07] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait and Myrtti
[08:08] <diplo> MooDoo, a warning... terrible 2's don't stop at 2 :)
[08:11] <Eckrall> morning all
[08:12] <Eckrall> just found a server on a customers site thats running 6.06, however it looks like the repo on archive.ubuntu.com is gone
[08:13] <Eckrall> is there anywhere else I should be looking for the old repo?
[08:15] <diplo> I think 6.06 is EOL now
[08:15] <diplo> !eol
[08:16] <diplo> Yup, June 1 2011
[08:16] <Eckrall> so they take the repo's down?
[08:16] <BigRedS> I think they get shifted to oldreleases.ubuntu.com
[08:16] <Eckrall> i can understand no further updates...
[08:16] <diplo> ah there we go
[08:17] <Eckrall> BigRedS: thanks, checking
[08:17] <diplo> I was just thinking that Eckrall, we *have* to use CentOS 4
[08:17] <diplo> And we still get old updates so yeah I'd go with BigRedS
[08:17] <Eckrall> ;)
[08:17] <diplo> Never ran anything that old on *buntu flavour
[08:18] <Eckrall> diplo: i didnt know how old this box was til I did an apt-get update && apt-get install that failed horribly
[08:20] <diplo> :D
[08:23] <dwatkins> Every time I post on my blog there's a new version of Wordpress.
[08:24] <MooDoo> dwatkins: it's not updated that often, when you broke? ;)
[08:25] <BigRedS> yeah, I find that. I blog about every 18 months, though
[08:25] <MooDoo> lol
[08:26] <dwatkins> MooDoo: broke? I havn't blogged in a couple months.
[08:26] <MooDoo> dwatkins: i'm just teasing.
[08:27] <dwatkins> I suspected you were, wasn't sure what you meant ;)
[08:27] <MooDoo> dwatkins: ignore me, it's baby and oneiric brain ;)
[08:27] <dwatkins> I'm always a little hesitant to update Wordpress automagically, since the download might be compromised in theory.
[08:27] <dwatkins> MooDoo: nah, I won't ignore you, that's too much effort to type ;)
[08:28] <MooDoo> lol
[08:30]  * brobostigon tries to thinkof something useful to do to waste a few hours.
[08:30] <gord> hrm, started an upgrade on the laptop, sat down on the desktop and started debugging why my internet connection there was so slow, not a clever morning
[08:31] <MooDoo> gord: facepalm! :)
[08:34] <BigRedS> haha
[08:34] <brobostigon> drupal on my mums blog is uptodate.
[08:34] <BigRedS> I don't think I've ever seen an up-to-date drupal install, and only rarely an up to date wp one :(
[08:35] <brobostigon> i have it uptodate.
[08:35] <MooDoo> yeah i tend to keep our wp blogs uptodate, don't fancy a church blog getting hacked with pron lol
[08:36] <brobostigon> yes, understandable.
[08:36]  * brobostigon feels at a loss.
[08:37] <BigRedS> Ah, but I've not seen it, so I can maintain my unenviable record...
[08:37] <brobostigon> the latest drupal version is 7.7, and that is as drupal reports, the version that is there.
[08:45] <dwatkins> I updated Wordpress, then it told me Chrome was out of date (as I hadn't yet restarted it to install the update it told me about yesterday)
[08:45] <brobostigon> yes, someone put a screenie on G+ about that.
[08:46] <dwatkins> oh yes? I think I need to add you lot to my G+, brobostigon
[08:46] <brobostigon> :)
[08:47]  * dwatkins adds popey 
[08:48] <dwatkins> feel free to add me, I should be the only Dominic Watkins on there in theory
[08:49]  * oimon appears to have purchased a douchepad
[08:50] <brobostigon> dwatkins: done, added.
[08:51] <dwatkins> My icon is bob from Bubble Bobble.
[08:52] <oimon> directhex: opened yours up yet?
[08:54] <dwatkins> brobostigon: aha, got notification :) now I just have to remember your real name maps to brobostigon ;)
[08:55] <dwatkins> at least there's /whois ;)
[08:56] <brobostigon> dwatkins: the notification you got, should show my full name.
[08:56] <dwatkins> brobostigon: yeah, it does - I was checking it was you and not someone else on this channel :)
[08:57] <brobostigon> dwatkins: ah, :)
[08:59] <popey> oimon: where'd you get it?
[09:00] <oimon> argos, reserved it yesterday at full price, purchased 9am today at discounted price due to price drop overnight
[09:00] <oimon> argos, roman god of brown boxes
[09:00] <freakyclown> oimon: i thought that was uranus?
[09:01] <oimon> freakyclown: ewww
[09:01] <davmor2> morning all
[09:01] <oimon> i'm resisting the urge to open it and play before lunchtime
[09:01] <oimon> i guess i should see if it is in one piece :D
[09:01] <AlanBell> oimon: I tried argos but they were out of stock all around
[09:01] <oimon> AlanBell: stock was replenished as reservations expired
[09:02] <oimon> checked occasionally during the evening yesterday, and snagged one around 8.30 last night at the tottenham hale branch
[09:02] <oimon> all windows in the argos had been done in due to the riots, and the automatic door was bust
[09:02] <oimon> although i haven't been to argos lately, maybe it's always like that
[09:03] <AlanBell> can't reserve or buy it now though
[09:04] <oimon> AlanBell: no, especially since the price drop announced
[09:04] <oimon> saw a tweet from directhex that he's done the same thing today
[09:05] <oimon> i'm sure the excitement will wear off soon..like the joggler and the eee pc before it
[09:06] <freakyclown> and those fancy computer things
[09:06] <oimon> freakyclown: did you used to use another nick?
[09:06] <freakyclown> er no why?
[09:07] <oimon> have only noticed u around since oggcamp :)
[09:07] <freakyclown> im ninja :P
[09:14]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski should be up by now
[09:14] <freakyclown> shes in irishlandshire isnt she
[09:14]  * davmor2 waves morning to MooDoo 
[09:14] <dwatkins> Don't they have internets there? ;)
[09:15] <davmor2> freakyclown: yeap
[09:15] <Hornet> anyone know of anywhere still vending touchpads?
[09:15] <davmor2> dwatkins: you know she'll be back right
[09:15] <daubers> davmor2: You only get half the bandwidth in ireland though, because it sends every packet twice..... to be sure to be sure
[09:15] <oimon> Hornet: play.com..at full price :-0
[09:15]  * daubers get's his coat
[09:16] <Hornet> helpful :P
[09:16] <Hornet> I meant at cheap obviously
[09:16] <davmor2> daubers: you're going to be a dead man ;)
[09:16] <Hornet> I nearly had some yesterday, but the webshite was being raped and I lost them in the chaos
[09:18] <dwatkins> davmor2: yeah, just kidding
[09:18] <dwatkins> Hornet: I assume you tried your local Dixons.
[09:21] <oimon> at this point you'll have more luck in your local pub
[09:21] <Hornet> er yes :)
[09:21] <Hornet> tried my local everything
[09:31] <oimon> i've already come across a fail on my touchpad in the first minute
[09:35] <daubers> oimon: You're supposed to charge the battery first :p
[09:35] <oimon> wont connect to my 2 wireless networks at work.
[09:35] <oimon> so i setup wifi hotspot on my phone to get past setup and then it can't connect to the server :(
[09:36] <freakyclown> maybe this is why HP wants to get rid of them....they suck!
[09:37] <Adriannom> calc is autoreplacing any mention of "pi" in my urls, so that the links break.  is there any way to stop this?
[09:49] <BigRedS> Adriannom: have a poke around for Autocorrect in the menus
[09:49] <BigRedS> that might be doing that
[09:49] <BigRedS> I can't remember where it is, though
[09:49] <dwatkins> I thought HP dropped support for WebOS.
[09:50] <Adriannom> yeah i've been looking BigRedS, no luck unfortunately
[09:50] <Adriannom> oh wait
[09:52] <oimon> touchpad can also run about 70 percent of the more than 8,000 apps designed for HP's WebOS phones
[09:53] <Adriannom> tried adding "pi" as an exception to autocorrect but it didn't work.  it doesn't seem to be listed under the tons on autocorrect replacements
[09:53] <Adriannom> weird
[09:54] <Adriannom> it also doesn't even appear as the pi symbol until i click on the link (you can see it in the address bar)
[09:58] <BigRedS> hm, peculiar
[09:58] <BigRedS> that sounds like the sort of thing that should have a bug filed against it
[10:09]  * Laney draws papers scattered over all of those nice neat surfaces on popey's office plan
[10:09] <popey> :D
[10:09] <matti> :)
[10:10] <freakyclown> i think it says something that we dont get to see the other end of the room
[10:13] <popey> there is no other end
[10:13] <popey> note at the bottom there is a door and a windows
[10:13] <popey> -s
[10:13] <popey> thats the other end
[10:13] <freakyclown> ok so linuxy question for everyone
[10:14] <freakyclown> say i happened to have a dir that had ~25,000 images in
[10:14] <freakyclown> whats the fastest way from the cli to split that into folders of about 1000 each
[10:15] <AlanBell> how are they named?
[10:15] <freakyclown> randomly
[10:16] <popey> freakyclown: import them into shotwell, it will automagically sort them by date YYYY/MM/DD
[10:16] <Laney> how do you want them split?
[10:16] <freakyclown> i just need them split into roughly 1000 per folder
[10:16] <davmor2> popey: I see two obvious flaws with your office plan, 1) Your legs are gonna hurt with no chair ;) and 2) It's way way way way way way way too tidy :D
[10:16] <freakyclown> i hate shotwell.. it annoyed me
[10:16] <popey> heh
[10:17] <popey> davmor2: I will take photos when it's done, it wont be that tidy :D
[10:17] <davmor2> popey: YAY!
[10:17] <davmor2> popey: if you don't mind me asking how much is that gonna cost you?
[10:18] <andypiper> popey: how did you go from "fastest way from the cli" to "shotwell"
[10:18] <popey> andypiper: magic
[10:19] <MooDoo> hello davmor2
[10:19]  * andypiper nods approvingly, noting that popey is indeed... magic
[10:19] <AlanBell> freakyclown: maybe do it by first char of the filename
[10:19] <oimon> ok the excitement of the touchpad has worn off now :)
[10:19] <Laney> i'll have it
[10:20] <andypiper> how are you loving webOS
[10:20] <Laney> fiver and a packet of wotsits
[10:20] <andypiper> I have to say, I think it's the most beautiful mobile OS I've ever used / seen
[10:20] <andypiper> but
[10:20] <andypiper> still crap
[10:20]  * andypiper has a Pre2 laying around somewhere
[10:20]  * popey stops the clock!
[10:21] <andypiper> he's lightning sharp, that popey
[10:21] <daubers> andypiper: I had a pre plus, the hardware was too poo to run the OS properly
[10:21] <andypiper> zomg the boot time on the pre2... shocking
[10:21] <daubers> If it wasn't for the hardware being so pathetic, it would have been really good
[10:21] <andypiper> ........
[10:21] <daubers> Went the other way this time and got a Galaxy S2 as the hardware is pretty good :)
[10:21] <andypiper> :-)
[10:22]  * andypiper strokes his HTC Sensation
[10:23]  * popey strokes his magic
[10:24] <oimon> no kindle app for touchpad inthe uK :(
[10:24]  * TheOpenSourcerer got an email from a friend who works at HP. Saying did I want a touchpad (16GB) for £69.
[10:24] <popey> hehe
[10:24] <popey> get me one :D
[10:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Then he failed to buy them. They sold out their internal firesale in 4 minutes,
[10:24] <popey> :D
[10:24] <oimon> maybe they can make it work better :-S
[10:25] <shauno> so we should be expecting them to hit ebay shortly?
[10:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> But never mind - I figure there'll be tons on eBay soon (slightly used).
[10:27] <oimon> yep
[10:28] <davmor2> oimon: I could of told you that it would have nice concepts but suck :D
[10:28] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, they're up there. £200 starting price, by and large
[10:28] <oimon> davmor2: me too. i didn't have high expectations,
[10:28] <oimon> but thought it would at least have kindle or skype
[10:28] <oimon> due to what i read on the internets
[10:28] <davmor2> oimon: what you want to look at is getting android or linaro/ubuntu on it :D
[10:29] <oimon> absolutely
[10:30] <davmor2> oimon: then you'll have a usable tablet :D
[10:30] <Laney> freakyclown: C=0; for i in *.jpg; do [ $C -ge 1000 ] && C=1 || C=`expr $C + 1`; echo mv $i $C/; done
[10:30] <oimon> still haven't figured out how to close an app
[10:30] <Laney> golf time
[10:31] <popey> oimon: is there an M for you to RTF out of?
[10:31] <oimon> ah, figured it out
[10:32] <oimon> yes, there's a manual but...
[10:32] <oimon> so many questions
[10:32] <daubers> oimon: Normally you just flick it off the top of the screen
[10:33] <oimon> daubers: correct :)
[10:33] <davmor2> oimon: theres a button called power if you click on it the horrible saga all goes away ;)
[10:33]  * daubers enjoyed doing that on the pre
[10:33] <oimon> daubers: know how i can get skype on this?
[10:33] <oimon> lots of mention of it but no actual downlaod in the app store
[10:34] <daubers> oimon: No idea :) I only had a pre, and that struggled loading email
[10:36] <oimon> multi tasking is v good though
[10:36] <davmor2> oimon: they're both in there according to UK based reviews kindle and skype.  I'm wondering if they got pulled the minute that HP said they weren't supporting it
[10:38] <davmor2> oimon: have you had a look on amazon to see if the app is listed on there site the android and iphone ones were
[10:39] <directhex> oimon, go into settings/accounts
[10:40] <oimon> yep
[10:40] <oimon> loading...
[10:40] <oimon> still loading..
[10:40] <oimon> anyone wanna buy a touchpad :P
[10:40] <popey> :D
[10:41] <davmor2> oimon: I got a tenna lying about somewhere :D
[10:41] <oimon> directhex: did you know this was gonna happen?
[10:41] <oimon> still loading ..
[10:41] <directhex> oimon, did you update to 3.0.2? there are severe speed bugs on 3.0.0
[10:41] <oimon> how to update?
[10:41] <directhex> settings/system updates
[10:42] <directhex> there's also a bug in 3.0.0 where sometimes apps fail to start...
[10:42] <davmor2> oimon: did you even glance at the manual?
[10:42] <oimon> this is all very linuxy
[10:42] <directhex> 3.0.0 did them no favours, really, since it's the version on display units
[10:42] <oimon> the manual is 5 pages long, then starts in french
[10:43] <davmor2> oimon: the pdf version on the tablet?
[10:43] <oimon> directhex: i haven't done an update..did it take long?
[10:43] <oimon> maybe their servers are getting slammed today
[10:44] <directhex> oimon, it was slow, i reckon you're right
[10:44] <directhex> it's not finished installing yet, started a few minutes ago
[10:44] <oimon> did u find skype yet?
[10:45] <directhex> haven't looked, i don't use skype
[10:46] <directhex> okay, firmware installing
[10:46] <davmor2> oimon: it might be in the updated system and not on the base unit
[10:46] <oimon> how long did u wait until something started happening
[10:46] <oimon> i must say the reviews i read were very kind to this machine
[10:47] <directhex> oimon, the firmware update? took a few seconds. update server is slammed - 168M update last week for pre3 was much faster than this 38M update
[10:48] <oimon> ah, skype is preinstalled, but called "phone and video calls"
[10:51] <oimon> directhex: ah, i closed the windows and reopened, then started downloading, another bug
[10:52] <oimon> did you buy any accessories? touchstone or case?
[10:54] <Mez> So, anyone got an iPod classic?
[10:57] <Mez> for some reason, banshee doesn't want to work with mine.
[11:03] <directhex> oimon, case, keyboard, touchstone. half price at pcworld
[11:04] <oimon> directhex: you bought all those? must have cost the same as the tablet
[11:08] <directhex> Linux HPTouchPad 2.6.35-palm-tenderloin #1 SMP PREEMPT 129.2.22 armv7l GNU/Linux
[11:31] <oimon> directhex: now running 3.02
[11:31] <oimon> hey you have a terminal app?
[11:32] <davmor2> oimon: now can you get the kindle app?
[11:33] <davmor2> oimon: also check it's not another built in service :D
[11:33] <oimon> davmor2: no, it's US only
[11:40] <oimon> i wouldn't pay more than £100 for one of these
[11:43] <directhex> oimon, that's via a dev console. but i have a terminal app on my pre3 called "xterm"
[11:44] <oimon> are you finding the whole experience a bit laggy?
[11:44] <directhex> oimon, i'm at work. i can't say i'm poking it much
[11:56] <davmor2> Mez: Just sent a reminder out to the list I will hopefully be there but late so we'll have to see how late :(
[12:39] <oimon> just bought a pack of mint club biscuits from the co-op. don't think i've eaten a club since school days
[12:40] <MooDoo> we have the orange ones in the office
[12:44] <Hippychick> if you like a lot of chocolate on your biscuit join our club
[12:44]  * BigRedS joins Hippychick's club
[12:44] <MooDoo> lol not heard that in awhile
[12:44] <oimon> also...TRIIIIIO triiiio
[12:45] <MooDoo> um bongo um bongo they frink it in the congo
[12:45] <MooDoo> not choc though :)
[12:45] <Hippychick> mmmmm i want chocolate now....
[12:45]  * MooDoo gives Hippychick some mint choc chip aero
[12:45] <oimon> it was BOGOF in the coop too
[12:45] <Hippychick> yay :)
[12:46]  * AlanBell downloads latest oneiric to see if unity makes sense now
[12:46] <MooDoo> AlanBell: nope :) lol
[12:46] <oimon> some slacker hadn't put out the labels yet but the friendly till lady said hey oimon, its a bogof, you can get another :)
[12:46]  * TheOpenSourcerer has just installed last night's daily onto Magrat. 
[12:47] <oimon> unity might make sense on a touchpad though
[12:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Had to use the alternate installer - desktop failed. :-(
[12:47] <AlanBell> it would be so easy to make it make sense, just get the BFB to open a lense of all *installed* applications categorised by their gnome menu category
[12:47] <Hippychick> i like unity on my laptop, single screen, i just dont think it works on my desktop with dual screen....
[12:48] <oimon> while permanently hiding the dash?
[12:48] <MooDoo> i just use ubuntu classic, although i've not seen how to use this with the new lightdm
[12:48] <oimon> MooDoo: in oneiric?
[12:48] <MooDoo> oimon: yeah
[12:49] <oimon> i have it
[12:49] <oimon> you have to install a package
[12:49] <MooDoo> ah!
[12:49] <oimon> hold on, i'll check the apt.log
[12:51] <oimon> looking in my history, i did a apt-get install gnome-panel
[12:51] <MooDoo> well i'll give that a try tonight, ta! :)
[12:52] <oimon> no prob, hope i'm right. i def have it now tho
[12:54] <oimon> although it looks a cross between gnome shell and gnome 2
[12:54] <oimon> approx 50x quicker than uinity on this hardware
[12:57] <log69> hi all! anyone interested in helping me test my software: tomld? security related stuff. I'm about to release my first stable version soon. my site: http://log69.com/tomld_en.html
[13:27] <Laney> We are writing to let you know that we have cancelled the following item from your order:
[13:27] <Laney> Title: HP TouchPad 9.7 inch Tablet PC (16GB, Glossy Black) - UK Version
[13:27] <Laney> :'(
[13:29] <MooDoo> bummer :(
[13:40] <Hippychick> dont shoot me but what are these touchpads you all keep going onabout?
[13:40] <ikonia-remote> they are directhex's nemasis
[13:40] <BigRedS> HP tablet that was massively reduced a couple of days ago and sold out within about five minutes
[13:41] <ikonia-remote> BigRedS: are people still snapping them up ?
[13:41] <Hippychick> ahh, might have to have a look later
[13:42] <BigRedS> ikonia-remote: nah, they sold out
[13:42] <ikonia-remote> BigRedS: totally gone now ?
[13:43] <BigRedS> ikonia-remote: pretty much#
[13:43] <BigRedS> from what I gather
[13:43] <ikonia-remote> wow, be interesting to see what people end up doing with them
[13:43] <daubers> GAH! Would it kill F/OSS developers to have some actual explanation of what a blasted function does _somewhere_!!!!!!
[13:43] <kirrus> daubers: yes.
[13:43] <BigRedS> daubers: read the code and patch the docs kthx
[13:44] <kirrus> And yes, I've said exactly that a couple of times :(
[13:44] <ikonia-remote> so why keep saying it ?
[13:44] <oimon> there are more people in #touchdroid than in #touchpad ...kind of says something
[13:44] <daubers> BigRedS: I've just spent half an hour chasing my tail trying to find out what a function does, but sometimes it seems to just set a pointer to point at the function itself!
[13:44] <kirrus> ended up having a lengthy email conversation with the dev for them to explain their configuration syntax..
[13:49] <daubers> Lovely, the docs seem to say "You need to use this" but doesn't say what "this" is, or what it does
[13:50]  * daubers prepares to waste another hour or two wasting his time digging through someone elses spaghetti
[13:50] <daubers> seriously, would one line of //This function calls such and such to act upon something  kill someone
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> *sigh* explain the WHY not the WHAT
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> that should be printed in BOLD every time some book/howto explains commenting
[13:52] <BigRedS> Well, if you're exporting functions, what's pretty handy, too
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: high-level what, yes
[13:52] <daubers> MartijnVdS: If I even had the what I could figure out the why, since I have neither, I'm wasting my time
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: but prefixing every line like this:
[13:53] <MartijnVdS>  // Add 1 to i
[13:53] <MartijnVdS>  i += 1;
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> NO
[13:54] <daubers> FFS! Now I found part of something it's calling that references me to a file that no longer exists
[13:54] <daubers> *mumble mumble mumble blasted samba*
[13:54] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: no, obviously not. But he's not wanting to read the code that supplies the function, just know what it is that the function does
[13:55] <daubers> Actually, what I want to know is what to feed the function and what it returns. All I so far know is that I need to use it because the docs tell me too. No idea what to pass it or what to expect back
[13:56]  * daubers falls over stunned
[13:57] <daubers> an actual function declaration with an actual comment explaining what it's for!
[13:57] <MooDoo> daubers: oi stop looking at your own code and get on with work :)
[13:58] <daubers> Shockingly, this function is commented throughout so I can actually figure out why it's doing things! MY GOD! THE UNIVERSE WILL PROBABLY NOW END!
[13:59]  * BigRedS wonders if daubers needs tranquilising
[14:00] <daubers> BigRedS: I need a holiday :(
[14:00] <BigRedS> They're addictive
[14:00] <BigRedS> I only got back from mine on Monday and I'd like another now
[14:00] <directhex> ikonia,  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKM6NdFsJxU
[14:02] <ikonia-remote> directhex: can't view it
[14:02] <ikonia-remote> directhex: remote site is causing me a ton of problems
[14:11] <oimon> poor popey. but you do have an ipad already?
[14:12] <directhex> Laney, amazon cancelled my order too. except i already cancelled this morning
[14:12] <ikonia-remote> directhex: you canceled your tablet ?
[14:12] <Laney> argos came up trumps
[14:13] <directhex> ikonia-remote, argos success
[14:13] <directhex> ikonia, i've already got 3.0.2 and preware on there
[14:15] <oimon> directhex: got a link for preware?
[14:15] <directhex> preware.org
[14:16] <directhex> i already have the webos sdk installed, so it was easiest to install by downloading the ipk from get.preware.org and running palm-install Downloads/org.webosinternals.preware_1.7.0_arm.ipk
[14:16] <directhex> there are other ways to install things if you don't have the sdk handy
[14:17] <oimon> directhex: sounds like you're already up to speed with this webos stuff :)
[14:17] <directhex> oimon, i have x11 on my phone, so yeah!
[14:22] <AlanBell> well I have the daily oneiric running in a VM and it is still completely useless for finding and running the applications I have installed
[14:23] <MooDoo> AlanBell: yup :)
[14:23] <BigRedS> AlanBell: yeah, I'm running it on my PC at home, and alt+f2 and the thingy that comes up with the windows key are worse than in 11.04 unity
[14:23] <BigRedS> arguments not passed, some commands just not executed at all, no feedback whatsoever
[14:23] <BigRedS> it is purple now, though
[14:23] <MooDoo> hopefully i can run gnome-panel in oneiric
[14:23] <oimon> just received a message from my bro in law who just installed 11.04 by himself and is loving it :)
[14:24] <AlanBell> I fail to understand why there isn't a default lense that does what the gnome menu does
[14:24] <MooDoo> oimon: awesome :)
[14:24] <directhex> oimon, but did he install it... on a touchpad?
[14:25] <oimon> he's in scandinavia, i don't think TP is over there :)
[14:40] <popey> ☺ oimon
[14:48] <ikonia-remote> activision suck, they with draw vintage games from production (ok that's fine) but then they also remove them from their website and online shop for download
[14:49] <ikonia-remote> I've come away and left a simple game at home that runs on this crappy laptop and passes a few hours when bored, now activision have removed it so I can't even buy it again to download it while I'm away
[14:49] <Azelphur> Amazon cancelled my HP Touchpad order :(
[14:51] <ikonia-remote> others where saying that earlier
[14:55] <Azelphur> anyone know where else I might get one
[14:55] <Azelphur> kinda sad that amazon would wait 3 days to screw me over, makes it so much harder to get one.
[14:57] <directhex> Azelphur, tesco are the only big player who hasn't dropped prices. otherwise, you're waiting for stock to reappear
[14:57] <popey> Azelphur: they hardly screwed you over, drama queen
[14:57] <Azelphur> they made me not get a tablet for £89 :(
[14:57] <popey> "made" you
[14:58] <Azelphur> I ordered, they accepted the order, they didn't deliver. :(
[14:58] <directhex> forced him
[14:58] <directhex> i worked hard for my touchpad. been up without sleep for days!
[14:58] <popey> nothing to do with HP not having any left?
[14:59] <Azelphur> stock tracking: it's not rocket science
[14:59] <popey> hahah
[14:59] <Azelphur> if you have x of a product, don't sell more than x
[14:59] <popey> its nothing to do with stock tracking
[14:59] <popey> if they run out they order more with the supplier
[15:00] <directhex> Azelphur, the confusion is the limbo between "add to basket" and "order confirmed"
[15:00] <ikonia-remote> ammusing that now the project is dead, the people want the tablet
[15:01] <Azelphur> fun
[15:01] <ikonia-remote> this is better marketing than HP could ever have done themselves
[15:01] <directhex> Azelphur, if i add 99 to my basket, does that mean they have 99 less stock? what if i leave them there for a day?
[15:01] <popey> s/dead/cheap/
[15:01] <Azelphur> directhex: yea, that makes sense
[15:01] <BigRedS> I like the idea that all these people are buying it to stick Android on them
[15:01] <BigRedS> nice vote of confidence in WebOS there
[15:01] <directhex> BigRedS, it's retarded
[15:01] <Azelphur> yea, there's a $2000+ bounty on android being ported
[15:01] <Azelphur> I'm buying it for android.
[15:01] <directhex> BigRedS, "i got a cheap ferrari, now i have somewhere to stick the engine from my nova!"
[15:01] <ikonia-remote> Azelphur: does it even work with android at the momen t?
[15:02] <Azelphur> don't think so
[15:02] <ikonia-remote> Azelphur: so you're buying a product, to use with a product that currently doesn't work, and may never work %100 in the medium / long term
[15:02] <ikonia-remote> Azelphur: you could just buy an android tablet ?
[15:02] <Azelphur> ikonia-remote: not the first time I've done it :)
[15:03] <ikonia-remote> fair enough, not for me, but good luck to you
[15:03] <Azelphur> ikonia-remote: lol find me an android tablet with those specs for £90 xD
[15:03] <directhex> very few £90 android tablets have webos, this is true
[15:03] <ikonia-remote> Azelphur: let me find something else that is a worthless brick to you and I'll sell it you for £40
[15:03] <Azelphur> hows it a worthless brick? it's going to have android ported to it o.O
[15:04] <directhex> android :(
[15:04] <ikonia-remote> Azelphur: it "may" have android ported to it
[15:04] <ikonia-remote> and it "may" work
[15:04] <Azelphur> yea, it's a gamble, but £89 for a tablet that'd usually cost £400 is worth the gamble
[15:05] <Azelphur> plus I can always put Ubuntu on there if all else fails
[15:05] <ikonia-remote> how can you put ubuntu on it ?
[15:05] <popey> chroot
[15:05] <Azelphur> google it, it's already been done
[15:05] <directhex> ikonia, you can run an ubuntu chroot fairly easily
[15:05] <ikonia-remote> chroot....there we go
[15:05] <directhex> i'm tempted to get it working, just so i can run spacechem
[15:06] <Azelphur> but yea, I'm not afraid of buying things that arn't quite finished yet
[15:06] <Azelphur> I bought a G19, G13 and G930 knowing that all of them had no Linux drivers
[15:06] <ikonia-remote> or not started....
[15:06] <Azelphur> took a few months, but I have drivers now :)
[15:06] <ikonia-remote> be pretty bad luck if they couldn't get the screen or wifi or something working in android
[15:07] <Azelphur> I also bought 2 jogglers back when it was cheap, even though it had no OS's known to be working on it
[15:07] <krimzon2> if you can get <£100 android tablets, are there any unlocked android phones in that price range?
[15:07] <ikonia-remote> I'm clearly getting board as I enjoy my vendor support
[15:07] <Azelphur> krimzon2: check out the ZTE Blade
[15:07] <Azelphur> it's like £100 on the spot and is actually a really nice phone
[15:07] <gord> when the jogglers were £50? you could get ubuntu on them then
[15:07] <gord> thats why i got one
[15:07] <popey> AndyPad!
[15:07] <Azelphur> krimzon2: orange sell it under the San Francisco brand name
[15:07] <popey> http://www.andypad.co.uk/
[15:08] <freakyclown> yeah seen those - they look pretty cool
[15:08] <popey> we're getting one for review on the podcast
[15:08] <freakyclown> lucky buggers
[15:08] <popey> probably give it away
[15:08] <directhex> krimzon2, wait for <100 pre3!
[15:08] <freakyclown> let me come and play with it first!
[15:08] <AlanBell> the big one looks good
[15:09] <popey> hehe
[15:09] <popey> wonder if you can flash it with webos :D
[15:09] <ikonia-remote> I'm putting Windows 8 on my kindle
[15:09] <MooDoo> windows 8 O_o
[15:09] <krimzon2> i googled and zte blades were all a fair bit more than 100
[15:09] <ikonia-remote> actually the kindle would make a great dumb VT 100 wise terminal style product
[15:09] <directhex> ikonia-remote, i wonder how many retail customers have ever used touch-to-share
[15:09] <ikonia-remote> screen+keyboard+wifi
[15:09] <directhex> krimzon2, zte blade == orange san francisco
[15:09] <ikonia-remote> directhex: ........none ?
[15:10] <directhex> ikonia-remote, i tested it. it works!
[15:10] <ikonia-remote> very cool
[15:11] <directhex> ikonia-remote, i suspect i could count with body parts the number of people buying a cheap touchpad who own a pre3
[15:12] <ikonia-remote> ha ha
[15:12] <krimzon2> I wouldn't go with orange again
[15:12] <Hippychick> popey: oly has promised me an andypad if i get a new higher paid job \o/
[15:13] <oimon> i heard more touchpads are on the way
[15:13] <Hippychick> i now have an interview on friday :P
[15:13] <ikonia-remote> that's a good deal, you get more money, he'll buy you something
[15:13] <ikonia-remote> I'd like that deal
[15:13] <Hippychick> hehe
[15:13] <freakyclown> kindle has already been hacked to run ubuntu - would be easy to implement a kiosk style terminal thing
[15:13] <popey> hehe Hippychick
[15:14] <ikonia-remote> freakyclown: I'd be interested if it was just a vt1000 that could connect to networks and thus machines as a terminal emmulator
[15:14] <ikonia-remote> basically a lightweight mobile terminal emmulator
[15:14] <ikonia-remote> that would be an amazing use of the kindle
[15:14] <popey> mmmmm vt100
[15:14] <ikonia-remote> popey: you on board ?
[15:14]  * popey wants a vt100 or 101
[15:14] <ikonia-remote> K100 project is born
[15:14] <popey> no, I want a real physical VT100
[15:14] <ikonia-remote> popey: I have a wyse in my attick
[15:15] <ikonia-remote> you're welcome to it
[15:15] <popey> thank you
[15:15] <popey> but its not a VT100
[15:15] <popey> :D
[15:15] <ikonia-remote> it can do vt100
[15:15] <ikonia-remote> it's not a vt100 device though
[15:15] <popey> indeed
[15:15] <popey> my "I want a VT100 or VT101" means very much exactly that.
[15:16] <ikonia-remote> I'll re-phrase, "please take my wyse"
[15:16] <popey> haha
[15:16] <ikonia-remote> take my wyse......please
[15:16] <ikonia-remote> old school stand up gag hac
[15:16] <ikonia-remote> hack
[15:16] <directhex> krimzon2,  http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/mobiles/mobile-phones/SAMSUNG-I5800-GALAXY-APOLLO/HANDSET&clearance=false
[15:16] <popey> he's here all week
[15:16] <ikonia-remote> thank you
[15:16] <directhex> http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/mobiles/mobile-phones/SAMSUNG-I5500-EUROPA/HANDSET&clearance=false
[15:17] <directhex> http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/mobiles/mobile-phones/SONY-ERIC-X10-MINI-LITE/HANDSET&clearance=false
[15:17] <directhex> three <£100 unlocked android phones
[15:17] <Azelphur> krimzon2: lies!
[15:17] <krimzon2> nice
[15:17] <BigRedS> if you buy a samsung you get extra annoying-apple points, too :)
[15:18] <mgdm> popey: want to do something like http://www.flickr.com/photos/carrierdetect/2948518209/ ? :)
[15:18] <ikonia-remote> is the kindle open hardware ?
[15:18] <popey> awwww mgdm
[15:18] <Azelphur> krimzon2: http://www.prepaymania.co.uk/mobilephone/san-francisco-android-mobile-phone-orange-pay-as-you-go.html?base&source=googleps
[15:18] <popey> I'd happily run a serial cable into another machine
[15:18] <dwatkins> mgdm: makes me wish I hadn't given away my character terminal :)
[15:19] <directhex> ikonia-remote, amazon are actively hostile to working with upstreams. they have a strict no-upstreaming policy for employee changes to stuff
[15:19] <krimzon2> hah, I suck at searching for stuff to buy, it seems
[15:19] <Azelphur> krimzon2: I'd really recommend the blade, it's really quite fast for what it is.
[15:19] <Azelphur> You have to take the orange firmware off it for it to be fast, since the orange firmware is a bit crap
[15:19] <ikonia-remote> directhex: sound a delightful policy....where can I spend my money to purchase a device for development..... ;)
[15:19] <Azelphur> but that's easy to do
[15:20] <mgdm> popey / dwatkins: I have enough small Linux boxes that I could do that with, just need the terminal :)
[15:20] <popey> ooo, yeah, strap something to the back of it
[15:20] <popey> viglen :D
[15:21] <mgdm> Yep :D or Bifferboard, or Arduino, or NSLU2... :)
[15:21] <mgdm> actually it'd be amusing to strap a Viglen to the back of a touchscreen and make a megaJoggler
[15:21] <popey> hah
[15:21] <popey> not very mega with a viglen
[15:22] <mgdm> More in terms of dimensions than performance
[15:22] <daubers> There was an fpga board I was looking at the other day that was emulating the Z8 (?) processor
[15:22] <ali1234> you could achieve the same thing with a house brick
[15:22] <ali1234> but why?
[15:22] <dwatkins> I'd like to build a media PC to strap to the back of my TV with a slot-loading DVD player so I can just push DVDs into the side of the TV.
[15:22] <mgdm> daubers: Z80?
[15:23] <daubers> mgdm: Maybe, was a papilo board I think
[16:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> w00t! Me and the kids soldered up our nanode this afternoon. And the blinky led test passed!
[16:05] <mgdm> TheOpenSourcerer: \o/
[16:07] <mfraz74> well done
[16:08] <mgdm> I have a Diavolino
[16:08] <mgdm> Arudiono clone, no networky bits yet
[16:08] <mgdm> I might get a Nanode later on, though
[16:08] <freakyclown> bah i really need to sort my nanode mod out
[16:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/status/106397397793509376
[16:09] <Adriannom> ikonia-remote, what model is the wyse?
[16:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> mgdm: Nice thing about the nanode is it has Ethernet and USB built in
[16:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Better start learning how to programme it tomorrow then.
[16:10] <mgdm> TheOpenSourcerer: yeah, seeing that. Probably cheaper in the long run than the Diavolino, but that was an impulse buy at FrOSCon :)
[16:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> As was the nanode ;-) - Still don't really know what we will do with it.... Just something for fun and the kids to learn
[16:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> They have both learned the basics of soldering today
[16:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> 6 & 10yr
[16:12] <mgdm> My first thing will be http://jimmieprodgers.com/lolshield/ :)
[16:12] <mgdm> which I also bought, but haven't soldered yet.
[16:16] <freakyclown> w00t
[16:16] <freakyclown> nanode blinking :D
[16:52] <ikonia-remote> Adriannom: 310 I think.....
[17:00] <BigRedS> Hm. Anyone familiar with PHP packaging?
[17:01] <BigRedS> Prior to installing php-soap I've got soap bits and pieces in phpinfo(), and I can't find out what it is that php-soap actually provides...
[17:01] <BigRedS> Ah, it'd appear that there's a few different soap implementations in PHP
[17:02] <BigRedS> so one's in vanilla PHP, another's provided by php-soap
[17:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yay! How exciting... Our Nanode has just got it's first ever IP address using DHCP. 10.0.0.23
[17:30] <dwatkins> TheOpenSourcerer: nice, might have to look into getting something like that - seems more capbale than the Arduino
[17:31] <directhex> i'm not enough of a hacker to make use of such devices
[17:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> They are £20 so not much money. (But you do need a FTDI-USB cable which was £12 from Farnell
[17:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> directhex: Me neither ;-)
[17:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just thought it would be fun.
[17:31] <directhex> i have a touchpad though
[17:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> So far it has been.
[17:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> damn you
[17:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Still it will be a brick soon enough I guess ;-)
[17:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Better go and prepare supper for the famile
[17:33] <dwatkins> I assume the USB cable is the same as my printer and musical keyboard use, USB A-B
[17:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> I doubt it
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> could be A-mini-B
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> or A-microB
[17:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> USB to TTL
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> ah
[17:33] <dwatkins> no worries, they're only a postal delivery away
[17:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://uk.farnell.com/ftdi/ttl-232r-3v3/cable-usb-to-ttl-level-seri-converter/dp/1329311
[17:33] <dwatkins> thanks TheOpenSourcerer :)
[17:33] <dwatkins> ah I see, yes
[17:34]  * dwatkins assumed the connector on the right was USB
[17:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> You can get them from other places too but I needed to buy a few other bits and bobs from them so...
[17:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> eBay have them
[17:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> and other stockists
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> has allekabels.nl expanded to the rest of Europe yet/
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> they rock :)
[17:34] <freakyclown> \o/ so impressed at the nanode
[17:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> There is a chip inside the USB connector case.
[17:35] <freakyclown> if you guys are interested in the way i got round the ftdi cable issue ill sort out some pics :)
[17:35] <freakyclown> so im using a NORMAL usb cable :)
[17:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh.
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> freakyclown: you have a B socket that connects to the strange header?
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> freakyclown: s/have/made/
[17:36] <freakyclown> give me a few minutes and ill take soem pics :)
[17:36] <freakyclown> will show the cool case i made too
[17:36] <dwatkins> oh, so it is a normal USB socket? *confused look*
[17:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Must go or else family will be hungry.
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> yummy spinach & bacon pie
[17:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> pizza tonight,
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> (& cheese, garlic, oregano)
[17:37] <diplo-> dwatkins, sounds like freakyclown has hacked something to allow him to use normal usb
[17:37] <dwatkins> I just had cheese & broccili pasta for a snack, sausage and mash later :D
[17:48] <ali1234> where is the schematic?
[17:52] <ali1234> nvm i found it
[17:53] <dwatkins> Whereabouts, ali1234?
[17:53] <dwatkins> I don't see diagrams on nanode.eu
[17:53] <ali1234> http://www.thingiverse.com/download:26079
[17:53] <dwatkins> thanks
[17:55] <dwatkins> haha, I forgot I even had Eagle installed ;)
[17:56] <ali1234> ah ok i see
[17:56] <ali1234> this board uses AVR software usb stack
[17:56] <ali1234> so it doesn't need the onboard ftdi chip that arduino has
[17:56] <ali1234> the one that prevents you from making real usb devices from arduino
[17:57] <ali1234> it's about time someone made something like this
[17:57] <ali1234> the arduino is really limited because of that design flaw
[17:57] <dwatkins> I guess if you only occasionally connect the USB to programme it, it doesn't matter that it's not optimised for that
[17:57] <ali1234> yes if you only made a circuit to blink your christmas tree lights then you might not need usb
[17:58] <ali1234> but if you want to make some kind of HID controller then arduino is rubbish because it won't work with standard drivers
[17:58] <ali1234> actually even newer arduinos corrected this flaw
[17:58] <ali1234> but in a really horrible way
[17:58] <ali1234> they replaced the ftdi chip with a reprogrammable chip
[17:58] <ali1234> so you can make usb devices
[17:59] <ali1234> but then you can't reprogram it with the arduino software any more
[17:59] <dwatkins> so you could do more with the nanode because its USB port is adaptable, as opposed to just supplying serial data like the Arduino?
[17:59] <ali1234> exactly
[17:59] <dwatkins> cool
[17:59] <ali1234> so nanode gets my seal of approval
[17:59] <ali1234> however, you are better off buying a maple from leaf labs anyway
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: http://ingol.nl/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/seal-of-approval.jpg
[18:00] <ali1234> it's also arduino shield compatible while having reprogrammable USB, but it is based on a 32 bit arm chip
[18:00] <dwatkins> so many choices
[18:01] <dwatkins> I suspect my best bet (not having done anything with a soldering iron aside form build a few amps and LED chaser) is to start off with a tutorial or two on programming such a board
[18:01] <ali1234> programming these boards is easy
[18:01] <ali1234> you just plug in the cable and click program
[18:01] <dwatkins> Well, I fixed my girlfriend's light-harp (Arduino) project, but that was mainly driven by the desire to sleep at 5am ;)
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> deciding what you're going to use them for, that's hard :)
[18:01] <dwatkins> yeah, Processing seems like a very simple language.
[18:01] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: indeedy :)
[18:02] <dwatkins> I'd like to make a weather station, although that sort of thing already exists for the most part
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: that's why I didn't get into arduino things..
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> I know I'll use it for a few weeks.. and then it'll just sit there
[18:02] <dwatkins> I need to put my Larsonator in a translucent box.
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> Larsonator?
[18:03] <dwatkins> Sorry, Larson Scanner - from Knight Rider / Battlestar Galactica :)
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> ah!
[18:03] <dwatkins> http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/larsonkit
[18:03] <ali1234> that's a project arduino is perfect for
[18:03] <dwatkins> really easy project
[18:04] <ikonia-remote> I'll put my Larson Kit in my Dyson sphere
[18:04] <dwatkins> yeah, I imagine you could programme the ATMega and then take it out and put it in a board with whatever supporting components it needs
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> you could probably make that with a timer, some capacitors... no intelligence needed
[18:04] <ali1234> of course you could
[18:04] <ali1234> you think they had arduinos in 1976 or whenever battlestar galactica was made?
[18:05] <dwatkins> I hear there are a lot of people making things with an Arduino when they could build the same with 555-timers, but at least they're learning something with them
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: sure
[18:05] <ali1234> lol, they're learning to take the easy way out
[18:05] <dwatkins> heh true
[18:05] <ali1234> throw more cpu power at the problem instead of designing it properly
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: Yes, everone should write ASM first, before they learn modern/high-level languages
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: just so they know what it's built on :)
[18:05] <ali1234> no, they should learn hardware design first
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: oh of course, gates and stuff
[18:06] <ali1234> RC circuits first
[18:06] <dwatkins> ali1234: I couldn't agree more having seen how some people build electronics projects
[18:06] <dwatkins> RC?
[18:06] <ali1234> resistor/capacitor
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: building an analog scope, then upgrading it to digital
[18:06] <dwatkins> as in discrete... ah right yes
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: would be a nice project
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> oscilloscope, that is
[18:06] <dwatkins> We learned how to work with flip-flops in my school electronics class
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> I don't know if it's usual to abbreviate it to "scope" in English like it is in Dutch
[18:07] <ali1234> you know when i was at university this is actually how they taught
[18:07] <ali1234> starting with hardware design classes and assembler
[18:07] <dwatkins> Oscilloscope Sure, 'scope' suffices.
[18:07] <ali1234> they didn't teach C/java until second year
[18:07]  * dwatkins throws a question mark at the previous sentence
[18:07] <ali1234> everything else was pure maths
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: we had simple 'connect the wires' boards with several switches, several AND/OR/NOT gates on them
[18:07] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: I kinda wish we had those for the less able people in the class ;)
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: we connected 20 together for a simulated traffic light installation :)
[18:08] <dwatkins> hehe, neat
[18:08] <dwatkins> I vaguely remember making a counter.
[18:08] <Monster> hi
[18:08] <dwatkins> This reminds me, I was going to make a speed-o-meter, I'm pretty sure I don't need an Arduino for that.
[18:09] <dwatkins> Saw a really nice project to make one just like what they have in Back to the Future on the dashboard, even down to making the plastic box look identical.
[18:11] <diplo-> Hmm, think i may have a go at writing a XBMC plugin tonight
[18:30] <gord> diplo-, its horrible
[18:30] <gord> i wrote one... not a fun time
[18:30] <diplo-> First test failed, install failed :(
[18:30] <diplo-> Find out how to turn debugging on i suppose
[18:30] <gord> nope
[18:31] <gord> there is a log file
[18:31] <diplo-> ah okay, will go and find that I guess.
[18:32] <gord> y'know whats awesome about xbmc development
[18:32] <gord> they bundle their own python
[18:32] <gord> its hideously out of date
[18:32] <gord> it makes it neigh impossible to test outside of xbmc because of conflicting problems =\
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> sound wonderfgul
[18:33] <diplo-> :/
[18:33] <diplo-> Well as i am fairly new to python ill get to those issues no doubt
[18:33] <diplo-> found log file
[18:34] <diplo-> Could not read add on description
[18:34]  * diplo- goes in search
[18:42] <diplo-> Not erroring now, but also not displaying.. getting closer
[18:42] <diplo-> :D
[19:04] <freakyclown> http://www.freakyclown.com/nanode/nanode1.jpg
[19:04] <freakyclown> http://www.freakyclown.com/nanode/nanode2.jpg
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> freakyclown: is it just pin rewiring?
[19:04] <freakyclown> http://www.freakyclown.com/nanode/nanode3.jpg
[19:04] <freakyclown> http://www.freakyclown.com/nanode/nanode4.jpg
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> ah it's not :)
[19:05] <freakyclown> nope its that little red breakout board
[19:05] <freakyclown> which is the ftdi controller
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> yeah, but I didn't see the underside in image #1
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> but that looks like a reasonable solution
[19:06] <freakyclown> yeah i like it
[19:06] <freakyclown> means i can carry it around in its new case and just plug in a normal usb cable :)
[19:17] <ali1234> why don't you just use the onboard usb?
[19:27] <daubers_> lo
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> \o daubers_
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> growing a tail now? :)
[19:33] <HazRPG> hey all \o
[19:33] <HazRPG> just got back from the zoo :)
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> hey haz
[19:33] <HazRPG> hmm, my sister is having trouble with her mp3 player and banshee
[19:33] <brobostigon> evening HazRPG :)
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: on a stable release, or oneiric?
[19:34] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: hey :)
[19:34] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: natty :)
[19:34] <daubers_> MartijnVdS:  Indeed, because I'm here an over there :p
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: what kind of mp3 player? maybe it needs some fiddling in /usr/share/media-player-info
[19:34] <HazRPG> brobostigon: hey :)
[19:34] <HazRPG> its a creative zen style 300
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: there are several Creative Zen devices in that dir already
[19:35] <HazRPG> lsusb says "Bus 001 Device 020: ID 041e:2016 Creative Technology, Ltd"
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: czech it out :)
[19:35] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: czech?
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> check :)
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> pronounce them, they're similar :)
[19:36] <daubers_> \o/ Working from home tomorrow. Almost finished tidying the masses of electronic components off my desk
[19:36] <HazRPG> lol yeah, I instantly assumed it was a terminal command
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> daubers_: *WIPE* ?
[19:36] <daubers_> Hmmm?
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> daubers_: easiest way to clean a desk.. put your arm on it and wipe
[19:37] <daubers_> Also, amazingly the Nanode talk has nearly had more viewers than the Digital Image Forensics talk
[19:37] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: ah, hers isn't in there... zen style isn't there at all :(
[19:37] <daubers_> MartijnVdS: Ah… no :) Some of it's important and/or expensive and/or going to make me slightly richer (maybe a few bob once in a blue moon)
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: figure out what it's similar to, then add it
[19:40] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: cool, I'll try that :)
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: and file a bug on the media-player-info package
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: if it's not USB mass storage, you might have to poke around with libmtp, that's more fiddly
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> it tends to want a recompile before it will recognise a new device properly
[19:48] <HazRPG> ah
[19:48] <HazRPG> well it's a USB mass storage device
[19:49] <HazRPG> not sure which is similar, but going to have a quick look now
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> probably one of the other Creatives
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-player-info -> check current (and old) bugs for how to get support for new devices
[20:01] <marsilainen> hi all, I'm having an issue with a lucid machine which has two network interfaces
[20:02] <marsilainen> one of the interfaces (wlan0) is set to pickup dhcp and seems to be working fine
[20:02] <marsilainen> I'm trying to make the other interface (eth0) use static
[20:02] <marsilainen> also, I want to be a dhcp server on the eth0 interface
[20:03] <marsilainen> in /etc/network/interfaces I have eth0 set to static with ip etc and when I start /etc/init.d/networking it gets the correct IP: 192.168.8.1
[20:04] <marsilainen> the dhcp server is running on eth0 fine too - a client machine connects and gets the IP address 192.168.8.64
[20:04] <marsilainen> at some time later - within a few mins usually the eth0 address changes from 192.168.8.1 to 192.168.8.65 as though it has picked up a dhcp address from its own dhcp server
[20:04] <marsilainen> I'm not sure what could be causing that to happen?
[20:05] <ikonia-remote> marsilainen: is it running a dhcp server ?
[20:06] <ikonia-remote> marsilainen: do you see a lease file for your own machine ?
[20:06] <ikonia-remote> marsilainen: is gnome-network-manager running ?
[20:06] <ikonia-remote> marsilainen: what does the entry in the interfaces file say after the new IP
[20:06] <ikonia-remote> is dhclient running ?
[20:06] <ikonia-remote> all questions that need answers
[20:09] <marsilainen> ikonia-remote: yes, it is running a dhcp server
[20:10] <marsilainen> yes, there seems to be a lease file for my machine
[20:10] <marsilainen> it's headless so no gnome-network-manager
[20:10] <marsilainen> dhclient is running (needs that for wlan0 I guess)
[20:10] <marsilainen> one second
[20:11] <marsilainen> the entry for eth0 in interfaces is:
[20:11] <marsilainen> iface eth0 inet static
[20:12] <marsilainen>     address 192.168.8.1
[20:12] <marsilainen>     netmask 255.255.255.0
[20:12] <ikonia-remote> marsilainen: ok, so either a.) that file is being ignored. b.) something else is overriding it (such as gnome-network-manager) and starting dhclient on it
[20:12] <marsilainen> there is an "auto eth0" line before that block
[20:12] <marsilainen> gnome-network-manager isn't installed AFAIK
[20:12] <marsilainen> is there something else?
[20:13] <marsilainen> how about network-manager itself (non-gnome)?
[20:13] <marsilainen> doesn't seem to be installed though
[20:13] <ikonia-remote> why do you have an auto line and a static lines for the same device ?
[20:14] <marsilainen> isn't the auto line just telling it to automatically start that interface when networking starts?
[20:14] <ikonia-remote> or is it just auto eth0 without the dhcp line
[20:14] <marsilainen> correct
[20:14] <marsilainen> auto eth0
[20:14] <marsilainen> then the block above: iface eth0 inet static etc...
[20:14] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: what do I do after I've added one in?
[20:14] <ikonia-remote> so what on your system could be overriding it ?
[20:15] <marsilainen> I think that interfaces file is correct because if I do: /etc/init.d/networking restart    then it goes back to 192.168.8.1
[20:15] <ikonia-remote> marsilainen: ok, so something has to be overriding it
[20:15] <ikonia-remote> marsilainen: what is likley on your system ?
[20:15] <marsilainen> so it looks like that part is right and then something cuts in later and requests a dhcp address for it, but I don't know what?
[20:15] <marsilainen> I have no idea... that's why I'm here :)
[20:16] <ikonia-remote> marsilainen: do a ps -ef and see if anything jumps out
[20:16] <marsilainen> it's a fairly much stock lucid system
[20:16] <marsilainen> ok
[20:16] <ikonia-remote> marsilainen: is it a desktop install ?
[20:16] <marsilainen> no, server
[20:17] <ikonia-remote> so you used the server install CD ?
[20:17] <marsilainen> how does dhclient3 get launched?
[20:17] <marsilainen> I see it there in the ps listing
[20:17] <marsilainen> correct
[20:17] <ikonia-remote> marsilainen: you need to find what's launching it for eth0 - not what's launching it,
[20:17] <marsilainen> well yes
[20:17] <ikonia-remote> marsilainen: having it running is fine if you're using it on another interface
[20:19] <marsilainen> ikonia-remote: ok, but it's running twice, with different params, once for each interface
[20:20] <marsilainen> pointing at the leases files for the interface etc
[20:22] <ikonia-remote> marsilainen: ok, so you need to find what's launching it then, if it's doing it for both interfaces, look at the dhclient.conf also (maybe called dhclient3.conf on ubuntu
[20:22] <marsilainen> if I run "sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop" then the dhclient process for wlan0 dies, but the one for eth0 stays
[20:22] <marsilainen> even though both interfaces do go down
[20:22] <marsilainen> which seems odd...
[20:22] <marsilainen> maybe it's running from earlier before I changed the config?
[20:22] <marsilainen> maybe I should kill it and see if it comes back or not?
[20:23] <marsilainen> ok, I stopped networking, killed that process, and started networking again
[20:23] <marsilainen> now there is only dhclient running for wlan0
[20:23] <marsilainen> so maybe that has done the trick
[20:24] <marsilainen> maybe it didn't get killed after I changed the config to make eth0 static or something?
[20:24] <marsilainen> perhaps I should have stopped networking before I made that changed
[20:24] <marsilainen> just a guess though
[20:24] <marsilainen> anyway, fingers crossed it doesn't come back...
[20:25] <ikonia-remote> do a reboot
[20:25] <ikonia-remote> clean state machine
[20:25] <marsilainen> sure, will do
[20:27] <marsilainen> right, well rebooted and it's come up looking correct
[20:27] <marsilainen> so I'll wait a while now to check it doesn't switch IP again
[20:27] <marsilainen> thanks for the help
[20:29] <ikonia-remote> marsilainen: you found it on your own, so well done you
[20:34] <marsilainen> seems to be keeping the right IP now so fingers crossed it's solved
[20:59] <AlanBell> https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=192756097451494 real life Monopoly game :)
[22:27] <AlanBell> !info r6040
[22:32] <gord> aww, flash broke i latest buntus :(
[22:38] <dwatkins> What kind of broke, gord?
[22:39] <gord> broke in to tiny little pieces
[22:39] <gord> hangs firefox, doesn't load the plugin in chromium
[22:40] <dwatkins> oh bah, any useful info from an strace?
[22:41] <dwatkins> I assume this is 11.04, gord.
[22:59] <AlanBell> and twitter explodes
[22:59] <AlanBell> Steve Jobs has resigned
[23:01] <gord> dwatkins, erm no, 11.10
[23:01] <dwatkins> gord: ok thanks
[23:03] <hamitron> AlanBell: twitter explodes?
[23:03]  * hamitron dreams
[23:03] <hamitron> ;)
[23:11] <freakyclown> shows that i follow only sensible people - took me several minutes of clicking about to find that news
[23:19] <ging> \o/ tell me it's true i hate that man
[23:19] <hamitron> now now ping
[23:19] <hamitron> ging
[23:19] <hamitron> ;)
[23:21]  * freakyclown acks ging 
[23:36] <HazRPG> \o
[23:41] <freakyclown> anyone got a good guide/tutorial on sending packets via the ES on nanode?