=== SWAT__ is now known as SWAT [07:12] Morning all [07:14] Morning [07:18] 13 left to upload [07:34] daubers: http://www.youtube.com/user/onlysevenleft ? :) [07:45] hello all [07:47] o/ [07:49] good morning everyone. [07:54] :) [07:54] :) [07:56] you lot get up late! [07:57] morning [07:57] morning christel [07:57] MooDoo: hows the pregnancy coming along, it cant be long to go now? [07:57] heya brobostigon :) [07:57] christel: :) [07:59] christel: still a week till the due date, but she's measuring 42 weeks already....she's ready for the baby to come now [07:59] \o/ [07:59] :) [07:59] how exciting :D [08:00] yeah :) [08:01] * brobostigon pre-sends MooDoo varius kinds of ear-defenders. [08:03] [Matt Daubney] A quick hack to cheer up a rubbish couple of weeks - http://daubers.co.uk/2011/08/24/a-quick-hack-to-cheer-up-a-rubbish-couple-of-weeks/ [08:03] brobostigon: already got a two year old in the terrible twos stage, already have perforated ear drums :D [08:04] MooDoo: eeeek, ohwell, [08:06] Good morning all! [08:07] ohai [08:07] * brobostigon cant tell jokes, he reackons. [08:07] morning JamesTait and Myrtti [08:08] MooDoo, a warning... terrible 2's don't stop at 2 :) [08:11] morning all [08:12] just found a server on a customers site thats running 6.06, however it looks like the repo on archive.ubuntu.com is gone [08:13] is there anywhere else I should be looking for the old repo? [08:15] I think 6.06 is EOL now [08:15] !eol [08:15] End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [08:16] Yup, June 1 2011 [08:16] so they take the repo's down? [08:16] I think they get shifted to oldreleases.ubuntu.com [08:16] i can understand no further updates... [08:16] ah there we go [08:17] BigRedS: thanks, checking [08:17] I was just thinking that Eckrall, we *have* to use CentOS 4 [08:17] And we still get old updates so yeah I'd go with BigRedS [08:17] ;) [08:17] Never ran anything that old on *buntu flavour [08:18] diplo: i didnt know how old this box was til I did an apt-get update && apt-get install that failed horribly [08:20] :D [08:23] Every time I post on my blog there's a new version of Wordpress. [08:24] dwatkins: it's not updated that often, when you broke? ;) [08:25] yeah, I find that. I blog about every 18 months, though [08:25] lol [08:26] MooDoo: broke? I havn't blogged in a couple months. [08:26] dwatkins: i'm just teasing. [08:27] I suspected you were, wasn't sure what you meant ;) [08:27] dwatkins: ignore me, it's baby and oneiric brain ;) [08:27] I'm always a little hesitant to update Wordpress automagically, since the download might be compromised in theory. [08:27] MooDoo: nah, I won't ignore you, that's too much effort to type ;) [08:28] lol [08:30] * brobostigon tries to thinkof something useful to do to waste a few hours. [08:30] hrm, started an upgrade on the laptop, sat down on the desktop and started debugging why my internet connection there was so slow, not a clever morning [08:31] gord: facepalm! :) [08:34] haha [08:34] drupal on my mums blog is uptodate. [08:34] I don't think I've ever seen an up-to-date drupal install, and only rarely an up to date wp one :( [08:35] i have it uptodate. [08:35] yeah i tend to keep our wp blogs uptodate, don't fancy a church blog getting hacked with pron lol [08:36] yes, understandable. [08:36] * brobostigon feels at a loss. [08:37] Ah, but I've not seen it, so I can maintain my unenviable record... [08:37] the latest drupal version is 7.7, and that is as drupal reports, the version that is there. [08:45] I updated Wordpress, then it told me Chrome was out of date (as I hadn't yet restarted it to install the update it told me about yesterday) [08:45] yes, someone put a screenie on G+ about that. [08:46] oh yes? I think I need to add you lot to my G+, brobostigon [08:46] :) [08:47] * dwatkins adds popey [08:48] feel free to add me, I should be the only Dominic Watkins on there in theory [08:49] * oimon appears to have purchased a douchepad [08:50] dwatkins: done, added. [08:51] My icon is bob from Bubble Bobble. [08:52] directhex: opened yours up yet? [08:54] brobostigon: aha, got notification :) now I just have to remember your real name maps to brobostigon ;) [08:55] at least there's /whois ;) [08:56] dwatkins: the notification you got, should show my full name. [08:56] brobostigon: yeah, it does - I was checking it was you and not someone else on this channel :) [08:57] dwatkins: ah, :) [08:59] oimon: where'd you get it? [09:00] argos, reserved it yesterday at full price, purchased 9am today at discounted price due to price drop overnight [09:00] argos, roman god of brown boxes [09:00] oimon: i thought that was uranus? [09:01] freakyclown: ewww [09:01] morning all [09:01] i'm resisting the urge to open it and play before lunchtime [09:01] i guess i should see if it is in one piece :D [09:01] oimon: I tried argos but they were out of stock all around [09:01] AlanBell: stock was replenished as reservations expired [09:02] checked occasionally during the evening yesterday, and snagged one around 8.30 last night at the tottenham hale branch [09:02] all windows in the argos had been done in due to the riots, and the automatic door was bust [09:02] although i haven't been to argos lately, maybe it's always like that [09:03] can't reserve or buy it now though [09:04] AlanBell: no, especially since the price drop announced [09:04] saw a tweet from directhex that he's done the same thing today [09:05] i'm sure the excitement will wear off soon..like the joggler and the eee pc before it [09:06] and those fancy computer things [09:06] freakyclown: did you used to use another nick? [09:06] er no why? [09:07] have only noticed u around since oggcamp :) [09:07] im ninja :P [09:14] * davmor2 prods czajkowski should be up by now [09:14] shes in irishlandshire isnt she [09:14] * davmor2 waves morning to MooDoo [09:14] Don't they have internets there? ;) [09:15] freakyclown: yeap [09:15] anyone know of anywhere still vending touchpads? [09:15] dwatkins: you know she'll be back right [09:15] davmor2: You only get half the bandwidth in ireland though, because it sends every packet twice..... to be sure to be sure [09:15] Hornet: play.com..at full price :-0 [09:15] * daubers get's his coat [09:16] helpful :P [09:16] I meant at cheap obviously [09:16] daubers: you're going to be a dead man ;) [09:16] I nearly had some yesterday, but the webshite was being raped and I lost them in the chaos [09:18] davmor2: yeah, just kidding [09:18] Hornet: I assume you tried your local Dixons. [09:21] at this point you'll have more luck in your local pub [09:21] er yes :) [09:21] tried my local everything [09:31] i've already come across a fail on my touchpad in the first minute [09:35] oimon: You're supposed to charge the battery first :p [09:35] wont connect to my 2 wireless networks at work. [09:35] so i setup wifi hotspot on my phone to get past setup and then it can't connect to the server :( [09:36] maybe this is why HP wants to get rid of them....they suck! [09:37] calc is autoreplacing any mention of "pi" in my urls, so that the links break. is there any way to stop this? [09:49] Adriannom: have a poke around for Autocorrect in the menus [09:49] that might be doing that [09:49] I can't remember where it is, though [09:49] I thought HP dropped support for WebOS. [09:50] yeah i've been looking BigRedS, no luck unfortunately [09:50] oh wait [09:52] touchpad can also run about 70 percent of the more than 8,000 apps designed for HP's WebOS phones [09:53] tried adding "pi" as an exception to autocorrect but it didn't work. it doesn't seem to be listed under the tons on autocorrect replacements [09:53] weird [09:54] it also doesn't even appear as the pi symbol until i click on the link (you can see it in the address bar) [09:58] hm, peculiar [09:58] that sounds like the sort of thing that should have a bug filed against it [10:09] * Laney draws papers scattered over all of those nice neat surfaces on popey's office plan [10:09] :D [10:09] :) [10:10] i think it says something that we dont get to see the other end of the room [10:13] there is no other end [10:13] note at the bottom there is a door and a windows [10:13] -s [10:13] thats the other end [10:13] ok so linuxy question for everyone [10:14] say i happened to have a dir that had ~25,000 images in [10:14] whats the fastest way from the cli to split that into folders of about 1000 each [10:15] how are they named? [10:15] randomly [10:16] freakyclown: import them into shotwell, it will automagically sort them by date YYYY/MM/DD [10:16] how do you want them split? [10:16] i just need them split into roughly 1000 per folder [10:16] popey: I see two obvious flaws with your office plan, 1) Your legs are gonna hurt with no chair ;) and 2) It's way way way way way way way too tidy :D [10:16] i hate shotwell.. it annoyed me [10:16] heh [10:17] davmor2: I will take photos when it's done, it wont be that tidy :D [10:17] popey: YAY! [10:17] popey: if you don't mind me asking how much is that gonna cost you? [10:18] popey: how did you go from "fastest way from the cli" to "shotwell" [10:18] andypiper: magic [10:19] hello davmor2 [10:19] * andypiper nods approvingly, noting that popey is indeed... magic [10:19] freakyclown: maybe do it by first char of the filename [10:19] ok the excitement of the touchpad has worn off now :) [10:19] i'll have it [10:20] how are you loving webOS [10:20] fiver and a packet of wotsits [10:20] I have to say, I think it's the most beautiful mobile OS I've ever used / seen [10:20] but [10:20] still crap [10:20] * andypiper has a Pre2 laying around somewhere [10:20] * popey stops the clock! [10:21] he's lightning sharp, that popey [10:21] andypiper: I had a pre plus, the hardware was too poo to run the OS properly [10:21] zomg the boot time on the pre2... shocking [10:21] If it wasn't for the hardware being so pathetic, it would have been really good [10:21] ........ [10:21] Went the other way this time and got a Galaxy S2 as the hardware is pretty good :) [10:21] :-) [10:22] * andypiper strokes his HTC Sensation [10:23] * popey strokes his magic [10:24] no kindle app for touchpad inthe uK :( [10:24] * TheOpenSourcerer got an email from a friend who works at HP. Saying did I want a touchpad (16GB) for £69. [10:24] hehe [10:24] get me one :D [10:24] Then he failed to buy them. They sold out their internal firesale in 4 minutes, [10:24] :D [10:24] maybe they can make it work better :-S [10:25] so we should be expecting them to hit ebay shortly? [10:25] But never mind - I figure there'll be tons on eBay soon (slightly used). [10:27] yep [10:28] oimon: I could of told you that it would have nice concepts but suck :D [10:28] TheOpenSourcerer, they're up there. £200 starting price, by and large [10:28] davmor2: me too. i didn't have high expectations, [10:28] but thought it would at least have kindle or skype [10:28] due to what i read on the internets [10:28] oimon: what you want to look at is getting android or linaro/ubuntu on it :D [10:29] absolutely [10:30] oimon: then you'll have a usable tablet :D [10:30] freakyclown: C=0; for i in *.jpg; do [ $C -ge 1000 ] && C=1 || C=`expr $C + 1`; echo mv $i $C/; done [10:30] still haven't figured out how to close an app [10:30] golf time [10:31] oimon: is there an M for you to RTF out of? [10:31] ah, figured it out [10:32] yes, there's a manual but... [10:32] so many questions [10:32] oimon: Normally you just flick it off the top of the screen [10:33] daubers: correct :) [10:33] oimon: theres a button called power if you click on it the horrible saga all goes away ;) [10:33] * daubers enjoyed doing that on the pre [10:33] daubers: know how i can get skype on this? [10:33] lots of mention of it but no actual downlaod in the app store [10:34] oimon: No idea :) I only had a pre, and that struggled loading email [10:36] multi tasking is v good though [10:36] oimon: they're both in there according to UK based reviews kindle and skype. I'm wondering if they got pulled the minute that HP said they weren't supporting it [10:38] oimon: have you had a look on amazon to see if the app is listed on there site the android and iphone ones were [10:39] oimon, go into settings/accounts [10:40] yep [10:40] loading... [10:40] still loading.. [10:40] anyone wanna buy a touchpad :P [10:40] :D [10:41] oimon: I got a tenna lying about somewhere :D [10:41] directhex: did you know this was gonna happen? [10:41] still loading .. [10:41] oimon, did you update to 3.0.2? there are severe speed bugs on 3.0.0 [10:41] how to update? [10:41] settings/system updates [10:42] there's also a bug in 3.0.0 where sometimes apps fail to start... [10:42] oimon: did you even glance at the manual? [10:42] this is all very linuxy [10:42] 3.0.0 did them no favours, really, since it's the version on display units [10:42] the manual is 5 pages long, then starts in french [10:43] oimon: the pdf version on the tablet? [10:43] directhex: i haven't done an update..did it take long? [10:43] maybe their servers are getting slammed today [10:44] oimon, it was slow, i reckon you're right [10:44] it's not finished installing yet, started a few minutes ago [10:44] did u find skype yet? [10:45] haven't looked, i don't use skype [10:46] okay, firmware installing [10:46] oimon: it might be in the updated system and not on the base unit [10:46] how long did u wait until something started happening [10:46] i must say the reviews i read were very kind to this machine [10:47] oimon, the firmware update? took a few seconds. update server is slammed - 168M update last week for pre3 was much faster than this 38M update [10:48] ah, skype is preinstalled, but called "phone and video calls" [10:51] directhex: ah, i closed the windows and reopened, then started downloading, another bug [10:52] did you buy any accessories? touchstone or case? [10:54] So, anyone got an iPod classic? [10:57] for some reason, banshee doesn't want to work with mine. [11:03] oimon, case, keyboard, touchstone. half price at pcworld [11:04] directhex: you bought all those? must have cost the same as the tablet [11:08] Linux HPTouchPad 2.6.35-palm-tenderloin #1 SMP PREEMPT 129.2.22 armv7l GNU/Linux [11:31] directhex: now running 3.02 [11:31] hey you have a terminal app? [11:32] oimon: now can you get the kindle app? [11:33] oimon: also check it's not another built in service :D [11:33] davmor2: no, it's US only [11:40] i wouldn't pay more than £100 for one of these [11:43] oimon, that's via a dev console. but i have a terminal app on my pre3 called "xterm" [11:44] are you finding the whole experience a bit laggy? [11:44] oimon, i'm at work. i can't say i'm poking it much [11:56] Mez: Just sent a reminder out to the list I will hopefully be there but late so we'll have to see how late :( [12:39] just bought a pack of mint club biscuits from the co-op. don't think i've eaten a club since school days [12:40] we have the orange ones in the office [12:44] if you like a lot of chocolate on your biscuit join our club [12:44] * BigRedS joins Hippychick's club [12:44] lol not heard that in awhile [12:44] also...TRIIIIIO triiiio [12:45] um bongo um bongo they frink it in the congo [12:45] not choc though :) [12:45] mmmmm i want chocolate now.... [12:45] * MooDoo gives Hippychick some mint choc chip aero [12:45] it was BOGOF in the coop too [12:45] yay :) [12:46] * AlanBell downloads latest oneiric to see if unity makes sense now [12:46] AlanBell: nope :) lol [12:46] some slacker hadn't put out the labels yet but the friendly till lady said hey oimon, its a bogof, you can get another :) [12:46] * TheOpenSourcerer has just installed last night's daily onto Magrat. [12:47] unity might make sense on a touchpad though [12:47] Had to use the alternate installer - desktop failed. :-( [12:47] it would be so easy to make it make sense, just get the BFB to open a lense of all *installed* applications categorised by their gnome menu category [12:47] i like unity on my laptop, single screen, i just dont think it works on my desktop with dual screen.... [12:48] while permanently hiding the dash? [12:48] i just use ubuntu classic, although i've not seen how to use this with the new lightdm [12:48] MooDoo: in oneiric? [12:48] oimon: yeah [12:49] i have it [12:49] you have to install a package [12:49] ah! [12:49] hold on, i'll check the apt.log [12:51] looking in my history, i did a apt-get install gnome-panel [12:51] well i'll give that a try tonight, ta! :) [12:52] no prob, hope i'm right. i def have it now tho [12:54] although it looks a cross between gnome shell and gnome 2 [12:54] approx 50x quicker than uinity on this hardware [12:57] hi all! anyone interested in helping me test my software: tomld? security related stuff. I'm about to release my first stable version soon. my site: http://log69.com/tomld_en.html === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia-remote [13:27] We are writing to let you know that we have cancelled the following item from your order: [13:27] Title: HP TouchPad 9.7 inch Tablet PC (16GB, Glossy Black) - UK Version [13:27] :'( [13:29] bummer :( [13:40] dont shoot me but what are these touchpads you all keep going onabout? [13:40] they are directhex's nemasis [13:40] HP tablet that was massively reduced a couple of days ago and sold out within about five minutes [13:41] BigRedS: are people still snapping them up ? [13:41] ahh, might have to have a look later [13:42] ikonia-remote: nah, they sold out [13:42] BigRedS: totally gone now ? [13:43] ikonia-remote: pretty much# [13:43] from what I gather [13:43] wow, be interesting to see what people end up doing with them [13:43] GAH! Would it kill F/OSS developers to have some actual explanation of what a blasted function does _somewhere_!!!!!! [13:43] daubers: yes. [13:43] daubers: read the code and patch the docs kthx [13:44] And yes, I've said exactly that a couple of times :( [13:44] so why keep saying it ? [13:44] there are more people in #touchdroid than in #touchpad ...kind of says something [13:44] BigRedS: I've just spent half an hour chasing my tail trying to find out what a function does, but sometimes it seems to just set a pointer to point at the function itself! [13:44] ended up having a lengthy email conversation with the dev for them to explain their configuration syntax.. [13:49] Lovely, the docs seem to say "You need to use this" but doesn't say what "this" is, or what it does [13:50] * daubers prepares to waste another hour or two wasting his time digging through someone elses spaghetti [13:50] seriously, would one line of //This function calls such and such to act upon something kill someone [13:51] *sigh* explain the WHY not the WHAT [13:52] that should be printed in BOLD every time some book/howto explains commenting [13:52] Well, if you're exporting functions, what's pretty handy, too [13:52] BigRedS: high-level what, yes [13:52] MartijnVdS: If I even had the what I could figure out the why, since I have neither, I'm wasting my time [13:52] BigRedS: but prefixing every line like this: [13:53] // Add 1 to i [13:53] i += 1; [13:53] NO [13:54] FFS! Now I found part of something it's calling that references me to a file that no longer exists [13:54] *mumble mumble mumble blasted samba* [13:54] MartijnVdS: no, obviously not. But he's not wanting to read the code that supplies the function, just know what it is that the function does [13:55] Actually, what I want to know is what to feed the function and what it returns. All I so far know is that I need to use it because the docs tell me too. No idea what to pass it or what to expect back [13:56] * daubers falls over stunned [13:57] an actual function declaration with an actual comment explaining what it's for! [13:57] daubers: oi stop looking at your own code and get on with work :) [13:58] Shockingly, this function is commented throughout so I can actually figure out why it's doing things! MY GOD! THE UNIVERSE WILL PROBABLY NOW END! [13:59] * BigRedS wonders if daubers needs tranquilising [14:00] BigRedS: I need a holiday :( [14:00] They're addictive [14:00] I only got back from mine on Monday and I'd like another now [14:00] ikonia, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKM6NdFsJxU [14:02] directhex: can't view it [14:02] directhex: remote site is causing me a ton of problems [14:11] poor popey. but you do have an ipad already? [14:12] Laney, amazon cancelled my order too. except i already cancelled this morning [14:12] directhex: you canceled your tablet ? [14:12] argos came up trumps [14:13] ikonia-remote, argos success [14:13] ikonia, i've already got 3.0.2 and preware on there [14:15] directhex: got a link for preware? [14:15] preware.org [14:16] i already have the webos sdk installed, so it was easiest to install by downloading the ipk from get.preware.org and running palm-install Downloads/org.webosinternals.preware_1.7.0_arm.ipk [14:16] there are other ways to install things if you don't have the sdk handy [14:17] directhex: sounds like you're already up to speed with this webos stuff :) [14:17] oimon, i have x11 on my phone, so yeah! [14:22] well I have the daily oneiric running in a VM and it is still completely useless for finding and running the applications I have installed [14:23] AlanBell: yup :) [14:23] AlanBell: yeah, I'm running it on my PC at home, and alt+f2 and the thingy that comes up with the windows key are worse than in 11.04 unity [14:23] arguments not passed, some commands just not executed at all, no feedback whatsoever [14:23] it is purple now, though [14:23] hopefully i can run gnome-panel in oneiric [14:23] just received a message from my bro in law who just installed 11.04 by himself and is loving it :) [14:24] I fail to understand why there isn't a default lense that does what the gnome menu does [14:24] oimon: awesome :) [14:24] oimon, but did he install it... on a touchpad? [14:25] he's in scandinavia, i don't think TP is over there :) [14:40] ☺ oimon [14:48] activision suck, they with draw vintage games from production (ok that's fine) but then they also remove them from their website and online shop for download [14:49] I've come away and left a simple game at home that runs on this crappy laptop and passes a few hours when bored, now activision have removed it so I can't even buy it again to download it while I'm away [14:49] Amazon cancelled my HP Touchpad order :( [14:51] others where saying that earlier [14:55] anyone know where else I might get one [14:55] kinda sad that amazon would wait 3 days to screw me over, makes it so much harder to get one. [14:57] Azelphur, tesco are the only big player who hasn't dropped prices. otherwise, you're waiting for stock to reappear [14:57] Azelphur: they hardly screwed you over, drama queen [14:57] they made me not get a tablet for £89 :( [14:57] "made" you [14:58] I ordered, they accepted the order, they didn't deliver. :( [14:58] forced him [14:58] i worked hard for my touchpad. been up without sleep for days! [14:58] nothing to do with HP not having any left? [14:59] stock tracking: it's not rocket science [14:59] hahah [14:59] if you have x of a product, don't sell more than x [14:59] its nothing to do with stock tracking [14:59] if they run out they order more with the supplier [15:00] Azelphur, the confusion is the limbo between "add to basket" and "order confirmed" [15:00] ammusing that now the project is dead, the people want the tablet [15:01] fun [15:01] this is better marketing than HP could ever have done themselves [15:01] Azelphur, if i add 99 to my basket, does that mean they have 99 less stock? what if i leave them there for a day? [15:01] s/dead/cheap/ [15:01] directhex: yea, that makes sense [15:01] I like the idea that all these people are buying it to stick Android on them [15:01] nice vote of confidence in WebOS there [15:01] BigRedS, it's retarded [15:01] yea, there's a $2000+ bounty on android being ported [15:01] I'm buying it for android. [15:01] BigRedS, "i got a cheap ferrari, now i have somewhere to stick the engine from my nova!" [15:01] Azelphur: does it even work with android at the momen t? [15:02] don't think so [15:02] Azelphur: so you're buying a product, to use with a product that currently doesn't work, and may never work %100 in the medium / long term [15:02] Azelphur: you could just buy an android tablet ? [15:02] ikonia-remote: not the first time I've done it :) [15:03] fair enough, not for me, but good luck to you [15:03] ikonia-remote: lol find me an android tablet with those specs for £90 xD [15:03] very few £90 android tablets have webos, this is true [15:03] Azelphur: let me find something else that is a worthless brick to you and I'll sell it you for £40 [15:03] hows it a worthless brick? it's going to have android ported to it o.O [15:04] android :( [15:04] Azelphur: it "may" have android ported to it [15:04] and it "may" work [15:04] yea, it's a gamble, but £89 for a tablet that'd usually cost £400 is worth the gamble [15:05]