[02:24] <r2d2rogers_> Good evening
[02:30] <kwadroke> evening
[02:34] <r2d2rogers_> got hte hangout started
[02:34] <r2d2rogers_> forgot to email earlier... will see if anyone shows up
[02:35] <r2d2rogers_> howdy waynew
[02:35] <waynew> hey r2d2rogers_
[02:36] <waynew> how goes it this fine tuesday evening?
[02:36]  * waynew usually forgets about the weekly chat
[02:36] <r2d2rogers_> pretty well, trying to get set to put cyanogen on my android phone
[02:36] <waynew> I think this is my second time making it :P
[02:36]  * waynew is not familiar with cyanogen
[02:38] <r2d2rogers> it's more vanilla google distro of android
[02:38] <waynew> but I do have an android phone^_^
[02:38] <waynew> ooooh yeah
[02:38] <waynew> I knew I had heard the term somewhere
[02:38] <r2d2rogers> less crufty
[02:40] <r2d2rogers> I have one person in the google+ hangout
[02:40] <waynew> yeah, I've got a samsung galaxy s... and it does have a bit of cruft on it
[02:40] <r2d2rogers> https://plus.google.com/#113343680491548824655/posts
[02:40] <r2d2rogers> ::Nods:: I'm on a Captivate
[02:41] <waynew> thought about dropping by the hangout... but I don't have a webcam on here, so...
[02:41] <r2d2rogers> sounds works too
[02:41] <r2d2rogers> no video doesn't lock you out
[02:41] <waynew> well, no real mic to speak of either ;)
[02:41] <r2d2rogers> no worries
[02:42] <waynew> just catching up on my blog reading... 126 unread on my main account, whoops
[02:42] <r2d2rogers> wow
[02:42] <r2d2rogers> you keep up better than I do...
[02:42] <r2d2rogers> I think I subscribe to too many things
[02:43] <waynew> quite a few posts on Gurney Journey - he's an artist (the creator of Dinotopia), and usually has fairly interesting posts. Of course I'm a hobby artist... actually I'm a hobby most things, heh
[02:46] <r2d2rogers> Hey __todd__
[02:46] <r2d2rogers> waynew and kwadroke  are active here too
[02:46] <waynew> yes indeed
[02:46] <kwadroke> mostly here
[02:48] <r2d2rogers> xHey zillah
[02:48] <zillah> hey there
[02:49] <waynew> welcome zillah
[02:49] <zillah> how are things tonight?
[02:50] <r2d2rogers> pretty good
[02:50] <waynew> going swell, just catching up on my rss feeds
[02:50] <r2d2rogers> trying ti figure out if we can think of a topic for tonight
[02:51] <kwadroke> I do have a question for you guys...
[02:52] <kwadroke> I'm wanting to setup a vpn for gaming. Has anyone else done this?
[02:52] <waynew> nope
[02:52] <waynew> only vpn I've done was with Hamachi
[02:52] <kwadroke> hamachi seems to be a bit over kill
[02:53] <r2d2rogers> the only thing that comes to mind is yeah... hamachi
[02:53] <r2d2rogers> what about something like open vpn?
[02:53] <kwadroke> I've got a Dyndns account so I don't need hamachi's middle man
[02:53] <waynew> unless some newer programs have come out in the last 3 years, Hamachi was the easiest way that I had heard of by far
[02:53] <zillah> ive used PoPToP before.
[02:53] <kwadroke> and I can open ports easy enough
[02:54] <kwadroke> it's mostly going to be Windows clients connecting
[02:54] <kwadroke> I thought about just recommending putty with port forwarding
[02:54] <r2d2rogers> Welcome module000
[02:54] <module000> hiya
[02:54] <kwadroke> and use /bin/false as the shell
[02:54] <zillah> poptop is great for windows clients. you can use the built in vpn client.
[02:55] <kwadroke> does that work with WinXP -Win7?
[02:56] <zillah> yep
[02:56] <zillah> and win2k
[02:56] <kwadroke> how easy is it to setup the server?
[02:57] <zillah> from what i remeber ita pretty easy. it's been yeara since i've messed with it though
[02:57] <r2d2rogers> howdy johndoc
[02:58] <kwadroke> oh pptp
[02:58] <kwadroke> I think I may have setup this a long time ago on another server
[02:58] <waynew> OK Go! and the Muppets: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiMZa8flyYY&feature=player_embedded
[02:59] <johndoc> hiya
[03:00] <johndoc> i did no think that came out until tomorrow
[03:00] <waynew> it was posted on GeekDad... that was hilarious
[03:01] <johndoc> i was excited when i found the preview while watching music vids the other night
[03:02] <waynew> OK Go amuses me greatly... as well as the Muppets. They've pretty much embraced YouTube, I've noticed
[03:03] <johndoc> i like both, but i don't care the cover really
[03:03] <johndoc> the video is cool though
[03:03] <johndoc> *care for the
[03:06] <waynew> I think my favorite bit of Muppet related trivia (so far) is on the foreward of one of the Muppet Show Tonight! videos that my dad has...
[03:08] <waynew> it was before the Alice Cooper show... and Brian Henson (Jim's son) was saying that they had pretty much convinced people that the Muppet Show was a clean, wholesome, family show... "and then my dad went out and got Alice Cooper on the show". Heh.
[03:08] <johndoc> i learned my first "dirty" joke from the muppet show
[03:09] <r2d2rogers> LOL
[03:09] <r2d2rogers> sared to ask
[03:09] <r2d2rogers> scared
[03:09] <johndoc> it's not too bad
[03:10] <johndoc> i remember it was the crab with the funny accent and he said "What do you get when you cross an elephant and a rhino?" *short pause* "ellufino" which as a kid was funny picturing a half elephant half rhino until about a week later when i realized he actually said "hell if i know"
[03:10] <waynew> lol
[03:11] <johndoc> i had retold the joke to my parents half a dozen times never getting the reaction i expected, just scrunched eyebrows and a stern talking to
[03:11] <waynew> I'm sure that was confusing for a young child
[03:11] <johndoc> indeed
[03:12] <r2d2rogers> so what can we do for topics for next week to get more people interested in participating?
[03:12] <johndoc> i told that story to my wife last week when i saw the preview for the ok go thing and she's still laughing (of course she knows my parents)
[03:13] <zillah> r2d2rogers: netcat ;)
[03:15] <zillah> netcat is always a fun topic
[03:16] <waynew> wow... voxel based storage http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2011/08/coming-soon-supermans-memory-crystals/
[03:16] <r2d2rogers> yeha that's gonna be cool
[03:17] <r2d2rogers> zillah: you up for doing a demo or talk ? :)
[03:17] <kwadroke> sounds like isolinear rods from DS9
[03:17] <zillah> possibly. what would we use netcat for?
[03:18] <zillah> id love to use it to stream audio to anpter computer but ive never actually done it :P
[03:20] <zillah> i could try to do a general intro
[03:20] <zillah> would we just do it on google hangout?
[03:21]  * waynew has heard of netcat before, but doesn't remember what it is/for... 
[03:21] <waynew> so I guess that would be interesting ;)
[03:21] <r2d2rogers> THat would be the main talk channel I'd think
[03:21] <r2d2rogers> I don't know how easy a screen cast would be on the hangout
[03:21] <r2d2rogers> I don't the the resolution is high enough
[03:21] <r2d2rogers> we might have to think about that one a bit
[03:21] <zillah> netcat is used to pipe network traffic waynew
[03:22] <r2d2rogers> but I'm very interested in learning more about using netcat
[03:22] <kwadroke> if done right it can be done on a screen cast
[03:24] <zillah> maybe a terminal window with a big font
[03:25] <kwadroke> use webcam studio http://www.ws4gl.org/
[03:25] <kwadroke> it can capture part of a screen
[03:25] <kwadroke> I've used it for game streaming on ustream.tv
[03:26] <zillah> for windows?
[03:26] <kwadroke> linux
[03:26] <kwadroke> for windows I use ManyCam
[03:26] <zillah> ah ok
[03:26] <kwadroke> http://www.manycam.com/
[03:27] <kwadroke> it does the same thing
[03:29] <zillah> ok
[03:31] <r2d2rogers> kwadroke: what all does the defcon group do project wise?
[03:32] <kwadroke> we haven't nailed down a particular project yet
[03:33] <kwadroke> we have presentations and such
[03:35] <r2d2rogers> Is the defcon group synonymous with the hackerspace group or is there just a lot of overlap?
[03:35] <kwadroke> a lot of overlap
[03:36] <kwadroke> the hackerspace is being started by the defcon group
[03:36] <kwadroke> but it will be a seperate entity
[03:38] <r2d2rogers> I'd love to see a project space be established
[03:41] <kwadroke> same here. one of the reasons I joined in
[03:41] <r2d2rogers> I have a bunch of altoids tins that need projects
[03:41] <r2d2rogers> a modular something would be cool...
[03:42] <kwadroke> that reminds me, I need to get the flip-flops out of the car
[03:44] <r2d2rogers> ??,G>
[03:45] <kwadroke> http://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=4422.0
[03:46] <kwadroke> I'm making a scanline generator for the LCDs in my arcade cabinets
[03:46] <kwadroke> and they use flip-flop ICs to make the lines
[03:48] <r2d2rogers> AHhh
[03:48] <r2d2rogers>  ok
[03:48] <r2d2rogers> sweet
[03:49] <r2d2rogers> there are al sorts of hands on projects that would be cool
[03:50] <r2d2rogers> playing with GPG keys and encryption would be a good defcon topic
[03:50] <kwadroke> we talked about that... just no one's all that familar with it
[03:51] <kwadroke> something we're still wanting to do
[03:51] <r2d2rogers> check out the howto's on Ubuntu's site or debian keysigning info
[03:52] <kwadroke> yeah. I've got a book on it too
[03:56] <r2d2rogers> I need to make a new key
[03:56] <r2d2rogers> I managed to forget my password or typo consistently when I made it
[04:06] <zillah> going to sleep guys. i'll look into doing something about netcat and let you know
[04:07] <kwadroke> yeah about to head home myself
[04:08] <zillah> ttyl
[17:08] <johndoc> what's up guys?
[17:08] <kwadroke> not much
[17:09] <johndoc> what happened to the...dawg guy that use to be in here?
[17:11] <kwadroke> nwadawg?
[17:12] <kwadroke> haven't seen him in awhile
[17:12] <johndoc> ah, i rarely come in here
[17:14] <kwadroke> it's usually pretty quiet in here
[17:14] <kwadroke> except tuesday nights
[17:14] <kwadroke> unless someone starts talking
[17:17] <johndoc> lol
[17:30] <module000> haven't idled here in ages :P
[17:32] <kwadroke> I'm usually on here during the day