[06:01] <sakhi> Morning
[06:11] <superfly> hiya sakhi
[06:18] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[06:18] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:46] <Kilos> morning maiatoday pascal` 
[07:19] <Kilos> hi morgs 
[07:19] <morgs> hi Kilos
[07:19] <morgs> Morning Zabunteros!
[07:21] <Kilos> lol they still sleeping or lurking
[07:35] <superfly> I'm not sleeping... I'm usually awake before everyone else
[07:38]  * morgs plays with ibid
[07:51] <superfly> morgs: I have an ibid bot running in a couple of channels - I even wrote a simple launchpad plugin to pull bug report details off LP
[07:52] <morgs> superfly: cool - ibid looks much easier to get up and running than knab which I used about 3 years ago
[07:53] <morgs> github has an irc bot which announces commits pushed to a repo - but it's not very friendly :)
[07:54] <superfly> yeah, I wanna add that ability to my launchpad plugin
[08:01] <marcog> tumbleweed: ping on global jam poster printing
[09:32] <nuvolari> anyone want my organs?
[09:35] <superfly> nuvolari: don't you want them? I'd imagine at least a few are pretty important in keeping you alive.
[09:38] <Kilos> hee hee
[09:39]  * superfly pulls his hair out at certain people on the mailing list
[09:40] <nuvolari> at this stage I don't mind leaving earth :-/
[09:46] <Kilos> whats up nuvolari you dont sound happy
[09:54] <nuvolari> ek is nie oom Kilos 
[09:54] <Kilos> wat is fout seun
[10:12] <tumbleweed> marcog: tomorrow's a good time for me to do it
[10:12] <tumbleweed> superfly: yeah, don't know why I haven't written a launchpad plugin for ibid yet. We *use* launchpad for bugs, and I know launchpadlib backwards... :/
[10:12] <tumbleweed> superfly: so when are we going to see yours?
[10:12] <superfly> hrm, all I was doing was pulling stuff off the web page
[10:13]  * superfly should investigate launchpadlib
[10:13] <marcog> tumbleweed: kk
[10:13] <tumbleweed> if you want to pull stuff from web pages, there's a way to get a rfc822 dump from a bug
[10:13] <superfly> tumbleweed: I just use BeautifulSoup
[10:13] <tumbleweed> add +text to the end of the URL
[10:14] <tumbleweed> seriously though, launchpadlib will do everything you want (but +text may be faster)
[10:14] <tumbleweed> scraping is prone to problems
[11:19] <superfly> tumbleweed: this is what I've done: http://pastebin.com/eEx1SRCk
[11:22] <nuvolari> Kilos: ag werk oom, het net te veel
[11:22] <nuvolari> kan nie by alles uitkom nie
[11:22] <Kilos> eish
[11:23] <Kilos> se hulle moet extra hulp kry of vir jou n appie gee
[11:38] <nuvolari> oom, ons soek ons blou vir developers, maar daar is bitter min wat die interview deurmaak
[11:38] <nuvolari> *interview + toets
[11:48] <Kilos> eish
[11:48] <Kilos> als java seun?
[11:49] <nuvolari> jip
[11:49] <nuvolari> en die wat ons wel kan kry kom kan joburg af en soek joburg salarisse
[11:51] <Kilos> ja dis die probleem in durbs. hulle betaal nog al die jare maar sleg met vergelyking met hier bo
[11:52] <Kilos> they beleive that the sea, beach and bikini girls make up for poor salaries
[11:52] <nuvolari> Kilos: well, it does :P
[11:52] <Kilos> hjehe
[11:52] <Kilos> hehe okk
[11:53] <Kilos> grrr ook
[14:35] <Kilos> afternoon nlsthzn welcome to ubuntu-za
[14:38] <nlsthzn> Why thank you Kilos my good man... I am very happy to be here
[14:38] <Kilos> hee hyee
[14:38] <Kilos> you so funny at times
[14:40] <nlsthzn> :p
[15:01] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> hello?
[15:03] <nuvolari> hello d3s3rtdw3ll3r 
[15:05] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> not a lot going on here
[15:06] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> nuvolari: howzit from Dubai
[15:06] <Kilos> d3s3rtdw3ll3r, hiya
[15:06] <Kilos> mqassive nick hey
[15:06] <Kilos> massive
[15:07] <Kilos> thank heavens for tab keys
[15:11] <nlsthzn> :)
[15:12] <Kilos> you got a neighbour nlsthzn 
[15:12] <nlsthzn> Yup...
[15:12] <nlsthzn> Only about 350-400km away...
[15:12] <Kilos> yeah next door
[15:12] <Kilos> hehe
[15:13] <Kilos> d3s3rtdw3ll3r, tell us a bit about yourself
[15:15] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> been out of saffaland for about 10 years now, 6 of which in Dubai
[15:16] <Kilos> what do you do?
[15:16] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> been digging ubuntu till unity but am gonna give it another go
[15:16] <Kilos> and hopefully you are using ubuntu
[15:16] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> IT consultant
[15:16] <Kilos> lol i havent got to unity yet
[15:17] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> at mo Im using crunchbang and debian
[15:17] <Kilos> maverick rocks for me
[15:17] <Kilos> aha
[15:17] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[15:17] <Kilos> hope this isnt a one time visit
[15:17] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> just finished dl of 10.04, gonna see if the gma500 support is any better
[15:18] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> Kilos: shot ma ou
[15:18] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> sorry 11.04
[15:20] <Kilos> you must be kinda tired from thinking up a nick like that hey?
[15:20] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> had the oscillating oseric tentacle running on a 1.6 duo lappie and found it to be a resource hog
[15:21] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> or maybe the vm's were killing it ;)
[15:22] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> Kilos: prolly a hungover moment
[15:22] <Kilos> i saw some stuff about pcs going slow at launchpad i think it was but there were ways to fix it so it was even faster
[15:22] <Kilos> lol
[15:23] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> Kilos: well the lappie was running since 8 or 7 with numerous upgrades etc, after many a year it finally started behaving buggy, much like a winslow machine after a week
[15:23] <nlsthzn> Guarenteed that a VM will be slow and cumbersome VS a naitive install...
[15:23] <Kilos> it has been very quiet here this year except when someone comes online for help then one of the experts jumps in
[15:24] <Kilos> lol you also sound like a winsucks fan
[15:24] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> nlsthzn: yea I use a minimal deb bigmem install for my production vm's
[15:25] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> of cors my zimbra mail servers run good ol ubuntu, uptime of 400 odd days now
[15:26] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> Kilos: yea not a fan of their business model
[15:27] <Kilos> lol i hate them
[15:27] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> specially now, they suing the pants off everyone now
[15:27] <Kilos> only good for ms games
[15:28] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> yea if only my ps3 could use the kb and mouse for fps
[15:28] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> so hows the OSS front in Saffaland?
[15:29] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> Dubai is verrry MS centric
[15:29] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> a bit in the dark ages
[15:30] <nlsthzn> the world is MS centric (except for a lot of America that is Mac crazy)
[15:30] <Kilos> most of the world is. billy got a good grip
[15:30] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> on the desktop front anyway
[15:30] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> I think linux has marketshare on the web servers
[15:30] <Kilos> seems to me ubuntu is mainly growing by word of mouth
[15:31] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> now mobile devices ala android
[15:31] <Kilos> there are too many none IT peeps that ask whats linux or ubuntu and are too scared to try it
[15:31] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> I though ZA would be stock full of linux boxes
[15:32] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> thats MS PR for you
[15:32] <Kilos> i think you still battle to buy a pc here without ms installed
[15:32] <Kilos> here and there are one or two suppliers
[15:32] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> yea exactly, its the only way they can keep linux at bay
[15:33] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> thats why I build my own boxes
[15:33] <Kilos> and they had a good promotion with schools for support etc which they just withdrew once everyone is involved
[15:33] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> but ZA is full o resourceful ppl I thought the OSS front would be cooking
[15:34] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> Kilos: who Canonical or MS?
[15:34] <Kilos> ms
[15:34] <Kilos> lots of schools are now looking for alternatives
[15:34] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> yea Ive had a few schools as clients had to fight tooth and nail to put services on linux
[15:35] <Kilos> we had a chat about it a week or two ago
[15:35] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> yea?
[15:35] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> Ill look it up
[15:35] <Kilos> linux is too daunting for them looks like so mac gonna be happy here too
[15:36] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> errr I dunno, theyre just marketing and bling, no substance, why its so popular, ppl are suckers
[15:36] <Kilos> you will have to change the mindset of teachers that only know ms
[15:36] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> thing is, theyre teaching ICT not MS
[15:37] <Kilos> marketing counts lots to the normal man on the street
[15:37] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> its in their interest to broaden the exp of the students
[15:37] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> theyre just conditioning students to become future ms users
[15:38] <Kilos> yes but take an oldish teacher and give him an ubuntu cd and tell him to go install for his class and listen to the complaints
[15:39] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> yea, well he needs a few hours to familiarize himself, I did manage to convert a few teachers by installing on their personal machines
[15:39] <Kilos> but i also read there are whole cities in germany that have gone ubuntu, so there's hope for us yet
[15:39] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> yea well they tend to be more forward thinking, about 10 years ahead of MENA
[15:39] <Kilos> thats the big thing to have guys able to actually go and demo at schools
[15:40] <Kilos> but the games issue is in ms's favour
[15:41] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> more of a casual gamer myself, might be worth looking at seeing how bits run in Wine
[15:41] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> ISnt Steam releasing a linux client?
[15:42] <Kilos> dunno
[15:42] <Kilos> i tried aoe3 on wine and was very slow
[15:43] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Steam_under_Linux#Ubuntu
[15:43] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> yea only in WINE
[15:43] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> how'd the game run natively on the kit?
[15:43] <superfly> d3s3rtdw3ll3r: Phorix made noise about it, but Steam's official position is still "no"
[15:43] <Kilos> yeah it dont work lekker
[15:44] <superfly> d3s3rtdw3ll3r: rather look at supporting indie gamers who have Linux versions of their games
[15:44] <superfly> d3s3rtdw3ll3r: have you heard of the Humble Indie Bundle?
[15:44] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> superfly: yea Im for that
[15:45] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> http://www.geek.com/articles/games/linux-users-pay-3x-that-of-windows-users-for-humble-indie-bundle-3-2011082/
[15:45] <superfly> yep
[15:45]  * superfly buys it every time
[15:46] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> seems a worthy cause
[15:46]  * nlsthzn also got all the games now (except for the frozen bundle)... now if only he could get some time to pay them :)
[15:46] <Kilos> lol
[15:47] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> lol I hears ya
[15:47] <superfly> Atom Zombie Smasher was surprisingly addictive
[15:47] <nlsthzn> true... I played like one round and was annoyed I had to go to bed :p
[15:47] <nlsthzn> love the story line
[15:48] <d3s3rtdw3ll3r> Listen guys I gotta shoot, wife's bellowing, l8ers
[15:49] <Kilos> lol
[16:09] <nuvolari> ok, home time
[16:09]  * nuvolari dies
[16:09] <Kilos> mooi loop seun
[16:09] <nuvolari> heh, dankie oom
[16:09] <nuvolari> sal probeer
[20:23] <ludoza> Anybody want to hear a joke?
[20:23] <Kilos> go for it ludoza 
[20:24] <ludoza> Most companies uses a 10 year old operating system, when they can download the latest and greatest for free.
[20:25] <Kilos> is there more
[20:25] <ludoza> no
[20:25] <ludoza> sorry not so good joke?
[20:25] <Kilos> i was just looking at a registry cleaner for win me
[20:26] <Kilos> the latest has a buy option and 30 trial period
[20:26] <Kilos> the older ones are free
[20:27] <nlsthzn> which OS is the greatest... I missed that part...
[20:27] <Kilos> looks like thats how they work hey
[20:28] <Kilos> well duh
[20:28] <ludoza> nlsthzn minix 3, monolic kernels is so for the 80'
[20:33] <nlsthzn> everybody knows hurd is where it's at... ;)
[20:34] <ludoza> yip nlsthzn don't be just another fish in the school join hurd!
[20:35] <nlsthzn> my only issue is that the only way to do that is to use debian and as an ubuntu user I am clearly not capable of configuring it :'(
[20:36] <ludoza> nlsthzn I lose interest if i must configure my OS. But for the last 3 years I have tried to move over to a OS I can configure(if I want to)
[20:40] <nlsthzn> So what are you using then ludoza ?
[20:40] <ludoza> *cough*xp*cough*
[20:41] <ludoza> anyway... *whistle* I'm thinking of putting out an ad for rooms I'm renting out: "Rooms to rent, if you know the difference between linux and an OS it would be a +. If you are a female disregard everything we can't make other payment arrangements"
[20:41] <Kilos> xp
[20:41] <Kilos> eeeeek
[20:42] <ludoza> nlsthzn I'm actually dual booting my "work" notebook between xp and ubuntu LTS but I find myself more on the XP side then the ubuntu side :'(
[20:42] <Kilos> why nlsthzn 
[20:42] <Kilos> oh work
[20:44] <ludoza> Kilos yea that sucky thing that pays the bills :/
[20:44] <Kilos> eish i even get probs playing games on it
[20:45] <Kilos> nlsthzn, is it illegal to copy those games you were talking about
[20:46] <nlsthzn> Kilos: what games are those?
[20:46]  * nlsthzn might have memory issues
[20:46] <Kilos> indie something
[20:47] <Kilos> wait i scroll back
[20:47] <Kilos> oh no it was the fly and that funny nick guy
[20:47] <nlsthzn> yes the humble bundle is not free as an beer (and most of the games are not under any free licenses what so ever)
[20:47] <superfly> Kilos: the humble indie bundle? yes, it's illegal - they are not open source, nor are they free
[20:48] <Kilos> eish
[20:48] <nlsthzn> that is why the bundles are such good value... you pay what you want for a set period
[20:49] <Kilos> oh
[20:49] <Kilos> maybe it better i go sleep 
[20:49] <Kilos> sleep tight all