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[01:49] <ScottL> astraljava, i have done my (additional) changes, do you have any more before we ask luke to germinate?
[01:50] <falktx> hehe, funny word, germinate
[07:06] <astraljava> ScottL: I need to do some mods, so I can ask Luke when I'm done.
[17:19] <astraljava> #"£$!‰@ can't get my schroot to work!
[17:21] <charlie-tca> sory
[17:21] <charlie-tca> I am still hoping for the images to work today... 
[17:22] <falktx> even if the images don't build, I'll create an ubuntustudio live dvd
[17:23] <charlie-tca> I didn't know you get live dvd's. I thought studio was alternate installer only?
[17:25] <falktx> yes
[17:25] <falktx> charlie-tca: I'm just saying, I can make a custom live-dvd, personal build
[17:25] <falktx> not official
[17:25] <charlie-tca> very nice!
[18:39] <astraljava> Well wasn't that a struggle.
[18:39] <astraljava> TheMuso: I don't suppose you have time to push our seeds so that the image spin gets it?
[18:39] <astraljava> I'll ask on #ubuntu-release just in case.
[18:42] <charlie-tca> oh, I don't know how the seeds get updated, but the change in times for the builds shouldn't affect the seeds
[18:44] <astraljava> It doesn't, but seeing that the images are likely to be built soon-ish, I'd want the seeds to be uploaded so that we could in fact see an up-to-date image even tonight.
[18:45] <charlie-tca> I guess that is an advantage
[18:48] <scott-work> astraljava: you might even ask cjwaton, i think he's done that before for us to fix stuff that he was working on
[18:49] <astraljava> scott-work: Good point, I'll hilight him just in case. Hope he won't get annoyed, though.
[20:18] <charlie-tca> and the new time worked! ubuntustudio has a new image
[20:18] <falktx> nice!
[20:19] <falktx> haha, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/current/
[20:19] <falktx> 24-Aug-2011 18:45
[20:20] <falktx> no kde dependencies
[20:20] <falktx> unity is still being pushed though
[20:22] <astraljava> Yep, my commit hit LP a minute before the images were created. So they're effective tomorrow.
[20:23] <falktx> oh, no worries, if it's tomorrow
[20:23] <falktx> astraljava: so alacarte is gone?
[20:25] <astraljava> I did remove it, yes.
[21:23] <scott-work> falktx: how did you determine no KDE deps?
[21:23] <falktx> scott-work: no kde packages on the list of files
[21:23] <falktx> not even kdelibs
[21:24] <scott-work> right, okay, that's the way i check, i was hoping you knew a better way ;)
[21:24] <scott-work> astraljava: so we believe that removing alacarte will prevent a long line of deps that result with unity on the image?
[21:26] <falktx> scott-work: i believe other packages will push unity too
[21:26] <falktx> not just alacarte
[21:27] <scott-work> but we removed enough packages for tomorrows image that we feel will not ship unity?
[21:28] <astraljava> From the looks of it, it seemed that way. Unity (and gnome-session) brought a shitload of stuff with them, so I'm actually expecting to see a lot smaller .iso tomorrow.
[21:29] <astraljava> But since I haven't had time to re-create the simulation (read: germinate) locally, I cannot be certain.
[21:30] <scott-work> roger that
[21:30] <scott-work> the image today does seem to be about 0.3G bigger than natty
[21:32] <astraljava> Indeed. 2GB is getting a little bit out of hand, even though we're not counting.
[21:32] <astraljava> But granted, everything bloats all the time.
[21:32] <astraljava> Do we care?
[21:55] <scott-work> I'm am less worried about any arbitrary size rather than the incremental delta.
[22:00] <astraljava> I read that as "ever-growing image." So you're not worried about the numbers, but rather that we're bloating all the time. Am I even close?
[23:15] <ScottL> i think that is a good way to summarize how i view the size
[23:16] <ScottL> i don't think there is a "perfect" number or size for the iso, but i think i would worry if we increased 0.3GB every cycle