=== holstein_ is now known as holstein [08:11] hi everyone, any more feedback on greybird gtk3? [09:40] hello :) [09:41] when will be daily iso's? [11:50] ok, let's start testing next daily iso :D === Olbi_ is now known as Olbi [13:45] Good morning === ChanServ changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Oneiric Ocelot Feature Freeze in effect | #xubuntu for support | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | Xubuntu Community meeting 2011-08-28 at 22:00 UTC | Oneiric Alternate images are building [13:59] mr_pouit: one for you to look at, please - Bug 832794 [13:59] Launchpad bug 832794 in xfce4-smartpm-plugin (Ubuntu Oneiric) "xfce4-smartpm-plugin version 0.4.0-0ubuntu4 failed to build in oneiric (dup-of: 829513)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832794 [13:59] Launchpad bug 829513 in xfce4-smartpm-plugin (Ubuntu) "FTBFS with libnotify 0.7" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829513 [14:01] well, never mind. It appears you are too fast for me === ChanServ changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Oneiric Ocelot Feature Freeze in effect | #xubuntu for support | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | Xubuntu Community meeting 2011-08-28 at 22:00 UTC | Oneiric Alternate images are available at 14:25 UTC [14:26] Xubuntu alternate images just posted; please sync or download now to test them [14:33] i done it, ned only testing now [14:35] * madnick current have 18 Xubuntu Virtual machines O_o [14:38] Olbi: if you done it early, you don't have today's alternate images [14:38] I have now LiveCD [14:38] 64 bits [14:38] Okay [14:38] The desktop images worked today, but the alternate images had to be done again [14:38] madnick: for what so many?:P [14:39] * charlie-tca only has about 80 VBox machines set up [14:39] Ive been doing alot of testing :) Mostly for Plymouth and LightDM [14:39] They changed stuff almost every day for a while :P [14:40] which reminds me, I have to remove some old releases again, my VBox partition is 90% full [14:42] OTOH, my oneiric is giving me headaches. I have to ssh in to run some commands to reboot the machine, or it hangs with no mouse or keyboard. [14:43] todays image? [14:45] no, my install I had since alpha1 [14:45] Just the machine I use daily [14:45] oh : [14:45] The new installs don't seem to have that problem [14:46] I think I will just reinstall for beta1, it should be a good time for it now [14:46] Beta 1 is tonight right? [14:47] no, freeze is tomorrow, but beta1 won't be out for another week. We start testing it Tuesday [14:47] okay :) [14:48] This weekend images are the first ones that might be used for beta1 [14:51] madnick: how did the lightdm stuff go yesterday? [14:52] ochosi: :( [14:52] that means "not well"? [14:52] ochosi: no time to finish, we are using a slighly modified version of gtk-example-greeter [14:52] screener? [14:53] 1 sec [14:53] http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/changes.png [14:53] hm right [14:53] it's a bit boring but then again better than nothing [14:53] + droid sans [14:53] Yeah [14:54] a pity you couldn't make those grey areas translucent black [14:54] yup [14:54] huh, we're back at *that*? [14:55] what happened? [14:55] hey knome [14:55] UI Freeze [14:55] right.. [14:55] But [14:55] but is the other lightdm theme ready anyway? [14:55] so, we might get it in with FFe? [14:56] No its not ready, thats the problem [14:56] what's not ready in it? [14:56] It would take quite some time [14:56] Alot of stuff :) the theming might be close to ready [14:56] even applying the theming of the mockups to the gdm-greeter layout would make it look a lot better [14:56] There won't be an FFe for UI freeze [14:56] But there is some stuff, like handling sessions, autologin, and list users etc [14:58] We'll get them next release :P [15:00] Perhaps could've finished it im time, if real life didn't need me 4 hours per day almost every day :( [15:12] Well, let's get it done in time for alpha1. That gives time to make improvements! [15:14] Is it going to be uploaded to a PPA for Oneiric so you can install it later? [15:14] SRU? [15:15] Let's wait until we actually have it working before trying to SRU it, huh? [15:15] yes master [15:15] Get it working in the development release to Backport or SRU it to Xubuntu 11.10. [15:16] Oh! That means waiting until the next development release, doesn't it? [16:52] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=639151 [16:52] Debian bug 639151 in lightdm "Local privilege escalation" [Grave,Open] [16:52] if it's not fixed in 0.9.3, I'm sure the release & security teams must be very happy right now [16:55] uuh, nice... [17:06] greybird 0.2.2 uploaded [17:07] mr_pouit: ty [17:14] Didn't we file something like that a long time back, and get told it was not going to be fixed? [17:15] (long time back == this cycle) [17:34] security issues? no, we didn't file anything like that afaik [17:34] 16bit plymouth theme uploaded [17:34] I thought we had one about lightdm screwing up with pam [17:34] oh, well [17:34] great about the plymouth theme! [17:47] now, /away to install my new hard drive [17:48] Good luck and have fun [17:49] charlie-tca: aisleriot is back in the archive, should I reseed it for beta 1? [17:49] If it works, sure [17:50] * micahg will test it [17:50] late tonight :) [17:50] Hell, I can run updates and see if it is there? [17:53] charlie-tca: if you can, that would be great, just leave me a ping with the info, will be afk for a while [17:54] micahg: how do I force it to upgrade? [17:54] Installed: 1:3.0.2-0ubuntu1 [17:54] Candidate: 1:3.1.1-0ubuntu1 [17:54] nm [17:54] it is in upgrades now [17:54] will run it and see [17:57] micahg: working now. Let' [17:57] let's go ahead and seed it again [17:57] charlie-tca: k, will do later, that'll pick up the platform seed changes as well (new printer drivers) [17:58] Okay [17:58] Thanks for watching for that [18:03] hey micahg [18:04] i have some gmusicbrowser/freeze-related questions for you if you have time [18:06] ochosi: if it's quick, I'm about to leave for several hours [18:06] will be back around 12:00 UTC [18:06] oops [18:06] 0:00 :) [18:06] ok, i'll make it very quick: [18:06] new gmb-release is due in the next two weeks, will that be early enough for you to get the packages into oneiric? [18:07] ochosi: UI freeze is today :( [18:07] err, tomorrow [18:07] right, but it's not really an UI issue, is it? [18:08] ochosi: I have no idea what changes you're making, if it's bug fix only, sure [18:09] micahg: hm, nah, not really bugfix-only [18:10] micahg: our ppa (shimmer) contains the latest gmusicbrowser from git (which is stable) plus the modifications we already have in natty [18:10] would you consider simply pushing that package to oneiric? [18:11] i know that usually you tend to get packages through debian first, but since there is no release atm, there's nothing to update in debian [18:11] ochosi: well, I suggest preparing an FFe bug then, if you get an ACK, I can push it in, we could do a snapshot first then release, but feature freeze was 2 weeks ago [18:12] micahg: right, i see. i guess i was absent at the wrong time [18:12] micahg: k, then let's skip it [18:12] ochosi: we can push the snapshot through Debian also (happens often), but if a release is expected, I'd push to snapshot to Ubuntu, then the release through Debian (assuming we're before beta 2) [18:13] yes, that's what i thought would be ok [18:13] ochosi: we still need a freeze exception [18:13] !ffe | ochosi [18:13] ochosi: Feature Freeze Exception. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for the freeze exception process. [18:13] micahg: yeah, i know, not sure i have the time to deal with that this week [18:14] micahg: i already spent my "foss-time" trying to get greybird's gtk3 into shape [18:14] but anyway, thanks for the heads up, i guess we can get a new version more easily in oneiric+1 [18:14] ochosi: well, we'll be frozen next week for beta 1, so when you get a chance, you can file for it, I"ll hold off until there's an ACK though [18:15] ochosi: we can always get the new version in Debian and sync right after release, but if it's important, there's still time for exceptions [18:15] micahg: ok, well sure there are a lot of bugfixes, but also a few new features... [18:15] micahg: k, i have taken enough of your time (and in fact i have to leave now too) [18:16] ochosi: so you can try for the exception, ubuntustudio is also affected BTW [18:16] micahg: why? are they also shipping gmusicbrowser? [18:16] ochosi: apparently [18:17] micahg: interesting, had no idea they did [18:17] micahg: ok, i'm off now, i'll ping you if i get to filing the FFe bug [18:18] ochosi: sorry, usually not in a rush, but I'm actually off today [18:45] Alright, finally got the seeds in order for Studio, time to test Xubuntu images. [18:46] nice [18:47] So, desktop 32-bit manual partitioning it is. [18:50] Hehe, last I zsynced that image on this machine was early June. Target was still 19.7% complete, though. :D [18:51] #################### 100.0% 10097.2 kBps DONE [18:51] Gotta love this connection. [19:03] no, I don't. I kinda of hate it [19:04] I get a whopping 150kBps on a good fast day [19:47] hm, This just seems so wrong :( [19:48] 171.58 minutes ETA to sync edubuntu 64bit [19:48] Sure glad I have 46% anyway ;) [19:55] Now I remember why I quit syncing those images [19:55] I found I got much faster speeds when I just downloaded the entire file :P [19:56] nope [19:56] took me like 8 hours last time I tried that [19:56] Odd... I stopped doing that because I thought it would be harder on their servers [19:57] what? [19:57] download, zsync or rsync? [19:57] Full download [19:57] I'm now using dl-ubuntu-test-iso [19:57] zsync uses the client to do the work (your computer), rsync uses the server, and download uses server, I think [20:00] "By default, the script will attempt to use zsync if it is available as it uses fewer resources on the cdimage server." [20:16] right, zsync uses the client resources instead of the server resources [20:16] I gathered that actually ;) [20:16] But I think downloads use the server more, right? [20:17] More b/w at the very least [20:24] I'd think [z|r]syncs are harder on cpu, but the full download on disks. Does it matter in Canonical's infra? Doubt it. [20:25] Well, I do notice lag on the computer, but just typing "xubuntu" in terminal makes it worth it ;P [20:40] We have been asked to use zsync whenever possible to help the server load [20:41] They need to upgrade the servers yet [20:41] You notice Lubuntu hasn't been built for some time now? [20:43] no, I didn't. Want me to tell what is wrong with it? [20:45] ummm... If you happen to know I would love to know [20:48] console-setup : Conflicts: console-terminus [20:48] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/oneiric/lubuntu/20110823/livecd-20110823-i386.out [20:48] Devs have to fix it [20:49] You can't have both console-setup and console-terminus seeded. They won't work together [20:52] Alright, I wonder if I sould ping him... [20:54] I just gave it to gilir [20:55] PM'd? He is online now at support and offtopic (I'll stop now, thanks) [20:55] no, he was in #ubuntu-release asking [20:56] heh, they say great minds think alike :) [20:58] 32-bit desktop install fails miserably :-/ [20:59] really? [20:59] from the desktop icon? [20:59] astraljava: Anytype I would guess? I can try Desktop or Alt [20:59] No, from the first menu. [21:00] I'm booting into the live session now, and try to install from there. [21:00] Does it have a new logo in the menu? [21:00] i'm afraid it shouldn't [21:01] I'm gonna have to see the old and the new side-by-side, it's been a while since I last tested. [21:01] the merge is still waiting for review by colin watson [21:01] old is the circle of friends, new is the mouse [21:02] I think I am trying to follow too many builds now [21:02] Unit193: if lubuntu doesn't build, let me know. I will push for the re-spin if possible [21:02] You have one building now, hopefully, it will work [21:03] charlie-tca: Thanks, I'll try to [21:04] I can check logs and stuff, you just have to prompt me to [21:05] I really shouldn't make you do all the work when you aren't even part of the project :P [21:06] Don't worry, charlie's a vet, he knows this stuff even in his sleep. He's the trooper. :D [21:06] Aye, and very helpful! I will learn at some point :P [21:07] It's truly great to be here learning. [21:07] Took me a very long time to learn [21:07] * charlie-tca is a bit slow these days [21:08] I will teach you what to look at and which fails apply [21:08] Thanks! Hugely appreciated. [21:08] jockey-backend fails, reporting now. [21:09] reported already [21:09] Oh okay. [21:09] bug 831447 [21:09] Launchpad bug 831447 in jockey (Ubuntu Oneiric) "jockey-backend crashed with MemoryError in run_dbus_service() (dup-of: 831754)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831447 [21:09] Launchpad bug 831754 in jockey (Ubuntu) "jockey-backend crashed with MemoryError in run_dbus_service()" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831754 [21:10] hello all :D [21:10] Yeah, learnt that while actually reporting it in LP. [21:10] Hi Olbi! [21:10] Okay, trying to install now. [21:16] Six minutes in, and nothing's happened thus far. [21:19] knome: you break my images again? [21:19] hehehe [21:20] I suspect too many changes are happening in trying to beat the UI freeze deadline now [21:21] There have been a ton of changes again to Oneiric in the past couple of days, so maybe by Friday we will have working images [21:21] Are the alternate images working? [21:21] Since I have zero experience with live sessions, how should I go about debugging this one? There's the circle with dots moving clock-wise, but that's about it. [21:22] It shows nothing in VTs, unlike alternates (which is pretty much the reason why I prefer using them.) [21:23] restart the live session, using Ctrl+Alt+backspace if needed [21:23] X zap does nuthin' [21:24] will from a tty [21:24] then let me find the command to start ubiquity from a terminal [21:24] sudo service lightdm restart works. [21:26] okay, then open a terminal in the live session and run 'ubiquity -d' [21:26] That should start the installer and will give a debug log [21:27] Is the installer desktop icon launcher command correct? "ubiquity --desktop %k gtk_ui" [21:27] started installing Xubuntu 64 bit LiveCD, manual partitioning works good [21:28] yes, most likely [21:28] but when trying to debug, we use a different command than the launcher uses [21:29] Olbi: glad to hear that. Are you installing from the cd menu or the desktop? [21:29] charlie-tca: correct [21:29] which one? [21:30] charlie-tca: ubiquity -d does nothing either. [21:30] You went to the desktop and clicked the icon? [21:30] yes [21:30] astraljava: I will have to burn it and see then [21:30] It is 386 only, at least [21:30] Sure, I'll re-download, and check md5sum. [21:31] I am burning it [21:34] alternate checking or only livecd? [21:35] forgot, alternate isn't working today :P [21:36] no, we have alternate now [21:36] !topic [21:36] Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic [21:36] yup [21:36] charlie-tca: Sorry to sprinkle sea salt into the would that's got the knife sticking out of, but: [21:36] I try to keep the topic updated so we all know what is happening [21:36] 722,776,064 11.2M/s in 68s [21:36] wound* [21:37] yeah, just keep adding to it... ;) [21:37] I only have one hour left on my zsync [21:37] I'm soooo sorry... [21:38] knome: no new logo on the cd menu today [21:39] Never mind sorry, I just keep trying [21:40] I have the desktop image, booting to live session [21:41] madnick: there is a parser error in the plymouth script, but I haven't been able to copy it down yet [21:41] It doesn't seem to stop anything [21:42] It's one of them annoying "expected ? but got ? in line ???" things [21:42] I got a live session and the jockey crash [21:44] astraljava: at what point did the install fail? [21:44] Did you check "Install this third party software"? [21:45] charlie-tca: The installer never even started for me. [21:45] You got a bad burn, or bad download, or bad virtual machine [21:45] I'm at the partitioner here [21:45] md5sums match, so I'm now trying unetbootin for creating the usb stick. [21:46] oh, installing from usb? [21:46] Yep. [21:46] Ain't that broke? [21:46] Why? [21:47] installer won't start [21:47] I think [21:47] Well, I kinda noticed that. [21:47] *grin* [21:47] So, a known bug? [21:47] I seen something on that this week [21:47] Okay. [21:47] not sure [21:47] I think they were trying to get confirmation on it [21:48] Try it again, and make sure. [21:48] good, every machine I start cuts my download rate in half again [21:49] I am trying to get these syncs done before I run another install [21:50] Right. But that's a bit weird, though. Does your router reserve bandwidth for each connected machine by default? I can't think of any other way how that's possible. [21:51] I don't know. I just plug things in and they are supposed to more or less work [21:51] I think it is something to do with qwest dsl here in Idaho [21:52] Okay. [21:52] cableOne would be even worse, if I could get it [21:53] Maybe I will check out the wireless providers again. I can get promised 10mB/s for less then I pay now [21:54] That could be an option. [21:55] wouldn't take much to be faster than what I got :( [21:55] What [21:55] sorry [21:56] What's the advertised rate? [21:56] mine now? 3MB [21:56] speedcheck gives 1.2, which they say is correct [21:57] wireless has 10MB connections, which might be faster [21:57] DSL never reaches even close to the advertised, yeah. [21:58] I don't really understand all the numbers, but I don't think it gets much slower for "broadband" than what I have now [21:58] True. [21:58] charlie-tca: could you check the log? :) [21:58] For the plymouth stuff* :P [21:58] oh, yes, I can [21:58] let me boot it again. It is on the live session [21:58] ah [21:59] Is my computer that slow? [22:00] charlie-tca: what hardware you have? [22:00] Couldn't possibly tell. What I can tell, though, is that unetbootin made absolutely no difference whatsoever. [22:00] I ran the script on my computer just now, the log says nothing [22:01] However [22:01] Olbi: old [22:01] Someone's waiting for confirmation on the usb install fail? [22:01] !info plymouth oneiric [22:01] plymouth (source: plymouth): graphical boot animation and logger - main package. In component main, is required. Version 0.8.2-2ubuntu25 (oneiric), package size 119 kB, installed size 500 kB [22:01] no, I don't even remember where I saw it [22:01] madnick: will have it in a minute [22:01] No worries, I'll ask on -release. [22:02] Ill spam the bot 1 more time, need to know if there is a different version :) [22:02] !info plymouth natty [22:02] plymouth (source: plymouth): graphical boot animation and logger - main package. In component main, is required. Version 0.8.2-2ubuntu23 (natty), package size 110 kB, installed size 476 kB [22:02] okay [22:02] Olbi: Hardware test; 2.8 GHz P4, 64bit; 1GB RAM; nVidia MX-4000 w/64MB memory [22:03] charlie-tca: my is Athlon II x3 425, MSI 785G-E53 and 4GB DDR3 :) and integrated HD4200 :] [22:03] Olbi, if you want HW comparisons, mine is at http://wiki.knome.fi/computers:start [22:03] charlie-tca: second for tests is Athlon II x2 450, Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3, 4GB DDR3 and Sapphire HD 5750 [22:04] knome: cool stuff :) [22:04] Olbi, mmh, some could be better [22:04] now I want for tests get 9600GT :] [22:05] mine is: Packard Bell, Sandy Bridge i7, 16GB RAM, 2TB hdd, ATI Radeon (some gaming thing, with a gamer as art on it) :P [22:05] madnick: awesome :D [22:05] madnick: Gaming? ATI? REALLY?!! [22:05] madnick, ehm, is there ever been use for the ram >8GB? [22:05] knome: no swap! [22:06] hehe :D [22:06] 10 VBoxes :D [22:06] madnick, no swap on my pc either.. [22:06] Honestly, I got this computer because I simply had money to spend [22:06] mmh. [22:06] won't get old anytime soon [22:06] With the facts in hand, I shouldve never done it :) [22:06] (read 1 year) [22:06] my old station was good [22:06] heh [22:07] I need 2 computers cause I'm testing hardware on Linux and publish it at http://osworld.pl [22:07] i will upgrade to >8GB as soon as there is any reason for that. :P [22:07] :D [22:07] I have upgrade from 2GB to 4GB cause price was good :] [22:07] I dont even like this computer, because 16 bit Assembly is annoying, and EFI is really annoying [22:07] 64* [22:08] Yeah, just hope Sandy Bridge support progresses for linux. [22:08] processors are good support but igp is crap :/ [22:08] madnick: it's in /lib/plymouth/themes/xubuntu-logo/xubuntu-logo.plymouth [22:08] Oh it's only for graphics? [22:08] but I may have to reboot to get the message [22:08] charlie-tca: hah! i did not touch that one :P [22:09] Ill check [22:09] what it says in it [22:09] charlie-tca: was it there yesterday too? [22:09] don't know [22:10] I don't pay enough attention to the screens when starting the session [22:10] could you copy the contents of it? because it would take me a while to download the live session today [22:10] knome: nice site wiki.knome.fi :) [22:11] Olbi, thanks. it runs the same theme than open.knome.fi, with the theme modified slightly [22:11] 00:09 < madnick> what it says in it [22:11] ops [22:11] sorry [22:11] heh [22:11] need to paste link to my paste [22:12] madnick, you're making no sense now. :) [22:12] http://pastebin.madnick.se/paste.php?id=4e557719759d5 [22:12] knome: i was in virtualbox [22:12] oh right :P [22:12] and pasted [22:12] knome: I suspect he needs toothpaste. [22:12] into this terminal, but it was in vbox [22:12] :P [22:12] shouldn't vbox shared clipboard work?? [22:12] it have never done so for me [22:13] worksforme. [22:13] have you installed the guest additions? [22:13] nope [22:13] heh [22:13] that's the reason, i suppose [22:13] WorksForMeâ„¢ [22:13] well it's not too hard, but i suppose you don't want to do that everyday when testing [22:14] I seldom install guest additions in my test machines [22:14] It breaks some stuff [22:14] like Xephyr [22:14] Guest additions that is [22:14] madnick: rebooting to copy the message [22:14] charlie-tca: thanks :) [22:14] xephyr? [22:14] I suppose you want all of it at once, too :) [22:15] knome: revursive x servers [22:15] huh, right [22:16] Well, didn't see any bug reports regarding ubiquity failing from usb. If no-one responds in -release either, I'm gonna file it tomorrow if it still fails. [22:16] go for shower :) [22:20] Nah, I'll just file it instead. *grin* [22:20] heh [22:20] madnick: caught it: [22:21] Parser error "/lib/plymouth/themes/xubuntu-logo/xubuntu-logo.script" L:193 c:2 : Expected ';' after an expression [22:21] Encrypted LVM doesn't really select, just goes back to the Partitioning Method screen on AltCD [22:22] encrypted lvm is still broken, isn't it? [22:22] I would call that broken :P [22:22] hm [22:22] i think i see the error [22:23] fsck_done_fading = 1;inputbox [22:23] :( [22:23] Not sure that is the same bug, Unit193 [22:23] will you file a bug for it? [22:23] what can i do about that? [22:24] Should I ask mr_pouit [22:24] To remove that faulty thing [22:24] fix it and give mr_pouit the fix [22:24] okay [22:24] bug fixes are okay [22:24] I can file a bug for it if mr_pouit needs one to put that in [22:25] charlie-tca: I don't know what's wrong, all I can say is "It dun work" :P [22:25] well, that is not so good a description [22:25] Exactly. You can't select that without going in a loop [22:28] okay, give that one a day and try again, then. [22:32] I think that should be fixed tomorrow [22:32] okay, I made the machine stop at the error, now I broke it [22:36] charlie-tca: did that error break anything for you in plymouth? [22:37] no, it comes on when plymouth stops, same time as the "speech-dispatcher, starting bluetooth, pulseaudio, samed, checking battery state... [22:38] I suppose if you have a fast computer, you don't get to see those? [22:38] Perhaps [22:38] it is 6 characters that are present for no reason, probably a mix up during my paste [22:39] no problem, at we caught it now. [22:39] This is why I test. I can break most anything ;) [22:40] :) [22:52] madnick: Is there a way to have lightdm working by September 15? [22:53] or is it going to take too much time and energy that you need to spend on other things? [22:54] Will do [22:54] will do what? [22:54] Oh, okay [22:55] Was away a little [22:56] charlie-tca: i could try :) [22:57] Like hopefully, i should be done even before that if i go at it [22:58] Let me know. I need to know if we can or not. This is a no-change, gotta happen by date, if we decide to do it [22:58] okay [22:58] Ill let you know [22:59] I will go talk to people and ask for an exception , if you can make it happen. Otherwise, we will wait for LTS to make it happen, without preasure [22:59] Reason Im not 100% sure is that im going away the 5th, and im not sure how long i will be away [23:00] That's why I didn't want to pressure you. If it seems too much, better to wait [23:00] What we have is fine for Oneiric. [23:01] I can try to finish as much as i can before that (dont tell them anything yet) and then if its close to finished, we could ask for it? if thats possible? [23:03] sure, that is a good way to deal with it. That way, if you can finish it, I can push people where needed. If not, you don't feel preassure to push yourself too much. [23:03] :) [23:04] I could tell you why I am going away, and why its important, but not in a logged channel :P [23:04] But ill try [23:04] before that [23:06] it's okay [23:06] madnick, lol [23:07] :< [23:07] awwh [23:07] :) [23:08] "I could tell you why I'm going away, but then I'd have to kill you. We wouldn't want that, now would we?" [23:09] :D [23:18] um, let me think about that. ;)