[07:00] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:22] <jibel> Kaleo, on a fresh install on HW, on Unity, 'View Photos' shortcut launches shotwell but on 2D it launches Eye of gnome
[08:26] <Kaleo> jibel: raah, that's not good
[08:26] <Kaleo> jibel: we are using the GNOME prefs
[08:26] <Kaleo> jibel: unless..
[08:29] <Kaleo>   // FIXME: Need to figure out the default
[08:29] <Kaleo>   CreateShortcutFromExec("shotwell", _("View Photos"), _photo_alternatives);
[08:29] <Kaleo> jibel: that's in Unity's code
[08:29] <Kaleo> jibel: so the bug is in GNOME's default apps I believe
[08:31] <Kaleo> jibel: any idea what package that would be?
[08:33] <jibel> Kaleo, in system settings, the default photo viewer is set to 'Image Viewer' when logged in unity 2d and  gwibber (?) on Unity
[08:33] <jibel> Kaleo, the package is gnome-control-center
[08:34] <Kaleo> jibel: right, 'Image Viewer' is Eye of gnome
[08:35] <Kaleo> seb128: the default photo viewer seems to be set to EOG, is it a known bug?
[08:36] <jibel> Kaleo, there are 3 bugs then, 1) Default viewer should be shotwell not EOG on 2D, 2) it should be shotwell and not gwibber on Unity and 3) Unity doesn't honor default application preferences (at least for the photo viewer)
[08:38] <Kaleo> jibel: correct, apart from 1) could be rephrased to default viewer should be shotweel not EOG.
[08:38] <Kaleo> jibel: and 2) will be fixed by 3)
[08:38] <Kaleo> jibel: (or rather 2) will be fixed by 1) and 3)
[08:39] <Kaleo> jibel: but actually, you are right there is something strange with 'gwibber' being set at all
[08:41] <jibel> Kaleo, oh and Calendar is set to gedit. I didn't know gedit was so feature-rich :)
[08:42] <Kaleo> jibel: :)
[08:43] <Kaleo> jibel: I cannot find the default settings in the package gnome-control-center; maybe it's in a different one?
[08:43] <jibel> Kaleo, If I login to Unity then back to 2d, the default viewer changes to gwibber, hence yesterday's report.
[08:44] <jibel> Kaleo, IDK, ask on #u-desktop
[08:47] <Kaleo> jibel: yep
[09:51] <doritoDan> Hi. :)
[09:51] <bittin_> Hello
[09:51] <doritoDan> Is there an easy way to get Unity 2D onto my Ubuntu installation?
[09:51] <doritoDan> I googled up some blog that specified the steps, but it didn't seem to work.
[09:58] <AlanBell> has the sections dropdown in the lenses gone in oneiric?
[09:58] <AlanBell> seems to be referred to as filters in the code
[10:02] <AlanBell> I always found the applications lens a bit hard to use, but now there seems to be no way to find stuff you have installed by category
[10:18] <davidcalle> AlanBell, the "Refine search" dash widget lets you browse apps by categories. A bit buggy at the moment.
[10:21]  * AlanBell looks for the refine search dash widget
[10:21] <jbicha> AlanBell: I'm pretty sure that's a bug
[10:21] <AlanBell> I don't quite get why the default dash isn't just installed applications grouped by category
[10:23] <jbicha> AlanBell: that would be far more useful, unfortunately I think the extra click required is by design
[10:25] <AlanBell> media apps and internet apps get special treatment and I don't even know what they mean!
[11:05] <andyrock> JohnLea, i think a lot about the dnd issue...
[11:05] <andyrock> well, we cannot remove the timeout for some weird reasons...
[11:05] <andyrock> and we cannot reduce it to much (otherwise we have race conditions)
[11:06] <andyrock> but we can remove the extra movement that sometimes we need
[11:06] <JohnLea> what is the max we can reduce it to before running into race conditions?
[11:06] <JohnLea> andyrock ^
[11:07] <andyrock> for the programmer  there are some changes... but for the user there are no changes :)
[11:07] <andyrock> JohnLea, well now i'm using 50ms
[11:07] <andyrock> reducing it to 20ms removes the extra movement
[11:08] <andyrock> but sometimes it fails to catch dnd data
[11:08] <andyrock> but we can use another timeout to avoid extra movement...
[11:09] <andyrock> the user should not notice anything
[11:09] <JohnLea> andyrock; cool, do the best you can ;-)
[11:10] <andyrock> JohnLea, ;) another thing: the reflection behind dash icons is a bug or it is by desing?
[11:11] <JohnLea> andyrock; by design, in the renders we have it gives the Dash glass a nice sense of depth
[11:12] <andyrock> JohnLea, cool... but some icons don't have it
[11:12] <andyrock> i'm going to report the bug on lp
[11:14] <JohnLea> andyrock; that might be a bug.  The light source that is casting the reflections is located in the centre of the screen, so the reflections will not be very noticeable for icons directly under the light source
[11:15] <andyrock> ok
[11:24] <jbicha> JohnLea: those reflections just look like off-center blurriness on my screen
[11:35] <jbicha> http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/6374/blurryunityreflections.png
[11:43] <JohnLea> jbicha; they are reflections through frosted glass ;-)
[11:52] <jbicha> JohnLea: sorry it just doesn't look right to me
[12:08] <JohnLea> andyrock; I've just tested https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/764905 and USB key d&d to the trash doesn't seem to work
[12:08] <JohnLea> andyrock; should I try again on Tuesday (I am away tomorrow and Monday) after this weeks release?
[12:09] <JohnLea> andyrock; or is there a bug and should it be reverted?
[12:09] <andyrock> for me it works well... it's weird
[12:09] <andyrock> what kind of usb do you have?
[12:09] <andyrock> JohnLea, ^^^
[12:10] <JohnLea> I have tried on 2 different computers, one Dell XT2 and one old desktop PC, both using random USB sticks
[12:10] <JohnLea> andyrock; the left click-holding and dragging does not seem to do anything
[12:11] <andyrock> left click-holding doesn't start the dragging?
[12:12] <andyrock> JohnLea,  it's not my fault in this case...
[12:13] <andyrock> JohnLea, btw if you can send me your unity configuration i can test "usb dragging to trash"...
[12:13] <JohnLea> andyrock; I'll chat to Jason then when he wakes up
[12:13] <andyrock> in trunk it's works fine...
[12:14] <andyrock> JohnLea, k
[12:14] <andyrock> JohnLea, sorry, it's a typo...
[12:14] <andyrock> btw are you running unity from tty? i mean you start unity using alt+ctrl+fN
[12:15] <JohnLea> andyrock; no, just booting and logging in normally
[12:15] <andyrock> JanC, on which icons the left click-holding doesn't work?
[12:17] <andyrock> JohnLea, ^
[12:17] <andyrock> JanC, sorry
[12:18] <JohnLea> andyrock; sitting in on a user testing session atm, I'll let you know as soon as it finishes and I get back to my desk
[12:18] <andyrock> JohnLea, i'm writing something test that you could do...
[12:18] <andyrock> and i've some question
[12:19] <andyrock> 1) the left click-holding doesn't work for all icons or only for usb icons?
[12:20] <andyrock> 2) if the answer is "only for usb icons" can you try using two usb drives at the same moment?
[12:25] <JohnLea> andyrock; what have you done, it is working now ;-)
[12:25] <JohnLea> andyrock; strange it was not working earlier on two computers
[12:26] <JohnLea> andyrock; the other computer I tested it on is currently being used, after launch I will re-test on that computer as well
[12:26] <andyrock> using two usb drives works?
[12:26] <htorque> anyone in here running the just released (trunk) nux 1.4.0 and unity 4.10.0? i'm getting a segfault with those (bug 833616)
[12:26] <JohnLea> I tried using 2 and that worked, then I tried using 1 and that worked as well
[12:26] <JohnLea> On the other computer I'll try using 1 first, before trying 2
[12:27] <andyrock> JohnLea, cool... let my know :)
[13:05] <jjardon> kenvandine: could you remove the gnome-power-manager dependency from indicator-power package? Can you comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-power/+bug/833397 when done? thanks!
[13:06] <kenvandine> jjardon, i'll look
[13:09] <kenvandine> good morning tedg
[13:15] <tedg> Good morning kenvandine
[13:15] <tedg> I bet you're just thinking, wow, I haven't done enough packaging today :-)
[13:15] <kenvandine> tedg, happy UIF!
[13:17] <tedg> kenvandine, Freeze?  I thought this was "Now all your work requires more forms day"
[13:17] <tedg> ?
[13:19] <kenvandine> :-D
[13:19] <kenvandine> it is be very gentle on kenvandine day
[13:20] <kenvandine> ronoc, did you see the indicator-session build failure?
[14:21] <andyrock> JohnLea, have you read my comment?
[14:21] <andyrock> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/764905
[14:22] <andyrock> DBO ^^^
[14:25] <JohnLea> andyrock; yes, just read it. Jason, what do you think ^
[14:25] <andyrock> well i think that we use HasSister function
[14:26] <andyrock> that check if there are other icons of the same type (app, lense, device, etc...)
[14:26] <andyrock> we use this function to avoid moving a launcher that cannot be movede
[14:26] <andyrock> e.g the workspace swithcer icon
[14:28] <andyrock> JohnLea, do you have understand?
[14:28] <andyrock> i know my English sucks :)
[14:30] <andyrock> another solution (insted of fake hidden device icon)..
[14:30] <JohnLea> andyrock; yes, I understand, this is most definitely should change! ;-)
[14:30] <andyrock> adding another parm to HasSister
[14:31] <andyrock> it should be true if the icon can be trashed
[14:31] <JohnLea> andyrock; launcher icon fixed when type has no sister seems like a strange piece of logic.
[14:31] <andyrock> false otherwise
[14:31] <JohnLea> andyrock; so specific application is either fixed or moveable?
[14:32] <andyrock> mmm no...
[14:39] <andyrock> JohnLea, sorry i had to restart... btw when DBO wake up we should talk with him
[14:41] <DBO> andyrock, explain your problem in one word or less please :)
[14:41] <andyrock> DBO... if there is only one device launcher icon, it cannot be dragged to the trash
[14:41] <andyrock> hassister function problem i think
[14:43] <DBO> andyrock, oh yeah fair enough
[14:43] <DBO> I'll make an exception for those types
[14:43] <andyrock> DBO, ok thx :)
[15:04] <om26er> DBO, Hi i got this http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=169610
[15:05] <DBO> om26er, video card?
[15:06] <om26er> same with alt-tab
[15:06] <om26er> no icons
[15:10] <DBO> om26er, video card?
[15:27] <andyrock> JohnLea, https://code.launchpad.net/~andyrock/unity/other-dnd-fixes
[15:27] <andyrock> \o/
[15:27] <om26er> andyrock, do you see any of my message here in this channel?
[15:27] <andyrock> it's a weird hack but it should be good...
[15:28] <om26er> I think i was disconnected and nothing came through
[15:28] <andyrock> om26er, yes... the message between jason and you?
[15:28] <andyrock> *messagens
[15:28] <andyrock> *messages -.-
[15:28] <htorque> om26er: <DBO> om26er, video card?
[15:28] <om26er> andyrock, yes
[15:28] <om26er> \
[15:29] <om26er> htorque, thx
[15:29] <om26er> DBO, N10 is the chipset gma3150
[15:30] <om26er> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[15:30] <DBO> om26er, interesting... glxinfo please
[15:31] <om26er> DBO, here http://paste.ubuntu.com/674574/
[15:34] <andyrock> htorque, would you like testing my branch?
[15:35] <htorque> sure, but gotta switch systems, as i somehow broke this one (complains about missing N3nux4View12DoGetFocusedEv symbol...)
[15:35] <andyrock> do you have a touchpad?
[15:36] <htorque> yes
[15:36] <andyrock> cool...
[15:36] <andyrock> https://code.launchpad.net/~andyrock/unity/other-dnd-fixes
[15:36] <andyrock> if you want test... here the procedure:
[15:36] <andyrock> 1) put the gedit icon on the launcher
[15:37] <andyrock> 2) create a .txt file on the dekstop and put it on the center
[15:37] <andyrock> 3) dnd the .txt file as fast as possible (using the touchpad)
[15:37] <andyrock> with just one movement
[15:38] <htorque> onto the launcher or random?
[15:38] <andyrock> random
[15:38] <andyrock> the launcher should be triggered
[15:39] <andyrock> the important thing is ("as fast as possible with just one movement")
[15:39] <andyrock> :)
[15:39] <AlanBell> I have built a lens, how do I get the dash to load it?
[15:40] <AlanBell> I branched and build unity-lens-applications, I am intending to make a more menu-like lens but I don't know how to test it
[15:40] <andyrock> AlanBell, if you installed it using --prefix=/usr
[15:41] <andyrock> i think that a login/logout (unity or compiz --replace)
[15:41] <andyrock> should be enough
[15:41] <AlanBell> ok, so sudo make install --prefix=/usr
[15:41] <andyrock> ./autogen --prefix=/usr
[15:42] <AlanBell> ok, then make; make install
[15:42] <htorque> andyrock: does the launcher hide mode matter (i've set it to never hide)?
[15:43] <htorque> andyrock: should this currently be an issue? with latest trunk this seems to work fine.
[15:44] <andyrock> htorque, mmm no... make sure the the icons dim
[15:44] <andyrock> htorque, you should move really really fast
[15:44] <andyrock> and with one movement
[15:47] <htorque> andyrock: it worked with current trunk and with your branch. i moved the pointer above the file, used one hand to click while the other one was already moving at high speed. ;-)
[15:48] <andyrock> htorque, do you have a very powerful pc?
[15:49] <htorque> andyrock: hm, it's a core i5 thinkpad
[15:49] <htorque> 2.66 GHz, dual core + hyperthreading
[15:50] <andyrock> htorque, okok.... thx btw :)
[15:50] <htorque> also tried it with the hypersensitive trackpoint and it worked. yw!
[15:51] <andyrock> my house x58le sucks :) but i love it...
[15:51] <andyrock> *house?
[15:51] <andyrock> asus
[15:51] <andyrock> -.-
[15:54] <htorque> it's a bit older but the specs aren't that bad? :-)
[15:56] <andyrock> well when it works well but i'd prefer something better
[15:56] <andyrock> but i'm just a student
[15:56] <andyrock> and i've no money...
[16:15] <om26er> I reported it as bug 833905
[16:17] <om26er> andyrock, if you got some time would you like to fix this mis-alignment in the screenshot? http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=169617  (ignore the blank launcher)
[17:06] <tkamppeter> Hi, anyone who can help someone whose desktop is a complete mess?
[17:09] <tkamppeter> I have installed the newest Unity and after some time working in it, the window decorations are not sensitive to the mouse any more.
[17:28] <tkamppeter> No one here?
[19:15] <om26er> DBO: is this merge http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/revision/1443 supposed to fix the blank icon?
[19:15] <DBO> om26er,
[19:15] <DBO> yes
[19:16] <om26er> DBO: that was quick
[19:16]  * om26er builds
[19:16] <DBO> kind of an important bug
[19:41] <toros> hi
[19:42] <bittin_> hi
[19:42] <toros> I am testing unity 4.10.0 on oneiric right now… and I don't see any icons on my launcher
[19:42] <toros> is this normal (=known bug)? :)
[19:43] <toros> the icons are there, I can hover over them, I can even click them
[19:43] <toros> they are just invisible
[19:44] <toros> found it \o/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/833905
[19:47] <bognarandras> toros: \o/
[19:47] <toros> bognarandras: \o/
[23:19] <doritoDan> Can somebody tell me how to download Unity 2D onto my Ubuntu?
[23:19] <doritoDan> It should be possible via apt-get, right?
[23:23] <RAOF> doritoDan: If you're running Oneiric you should already have it.  In natty you can apt-get it, I believe.
[23:23] <doritoDan> What's Oneiric?
[23:23] <doritoDan> And what's natty
[23:23] <doritoDan> I'm new to mid-level Linux stuff
[23:28] <jjohansen> doritoDan: natty is short for natty narwhal which is the dev name for the Ubuntu 11.04 release
[23:29] <doritoDan> I'm using the LTS version, like 8.04 or whatever it is.
[23:29] <doritoDan> Because I'm running it on VMware.
[23:29] <doritoDan> Which is also why I want Unity 2D; VMware can't provide the hardware emulation required to run regular Unity.
[23:29] <jjohansen> doritoDan: as far as I know you can't easily use unity/unity2d in lucid
[23:30] <doritoDan> :-/
[23:30] <doritoDan> That's a shame.
[23:30] <jjohansen> doritoDan: you can try to use the unity2d ppa, that was set up for natty
[23:30] <jjohansen> oh btw oneiric is the release that is currently in development/just entering beta
[23:30] <doritoDan> How do I use it?
[23:31] <jjohansen> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/unity-2d-gets-a-ppa/
[23:32] <jjohansen> you may need to pull in some other packages as well, /me isn't sure of all the requirements
[23:32] <jjohansen> if you need a newer kernel there is a natty backport kernel for lucid
[23:34] <doritoDan> Yeah I tried this
[23:34] <doritoDan> but it didn't work
[23:39] <jjohansen> doritoDan: like I said it isn't easy, I know there are other requirements, but I have never tried it my self though I know it can be done
[23:39] <doritoDan> Yeah.
[23:39] <doritoDan> Nevermind then.
[23:39] <doritoDan> Thanks for assisting me though. :-)
[23:39] <jjohansen> doritoDan: if you are in a vm, you could do an test vm/snapshot upgrade it and then install unity2d
[23:40] <jjohansen> not sure if that is worth the hastle though
[23:40] <doritoDan> How do you mean
[23:41] <jjohansen> doritoDan: well most vm let you snapshot your system so you have a rollback point.  You can do what ever you want to it, and if you don't like it restore to the snapshot
[23:41] <doritoDan> I'm not worried about breaking the system
[23:42] <jjohansen> ah
[23:42] <doritoDan> There just doesn't seem to be a good solution
[23:42] <doritoDan> for this.
[23:42] <jjohansen> right
[23:42] <doritoDan> But thanks. :)
[23:56] <bittin_> intresting: http://twit.tv/specials91