[00:02] <BUGabundo> nite
[00:02] <Ian_Corne> gn!
[00:13] <Ian_Corne> anyone with dual monitor setup here, with different screen resolutions?
[00:14] <coz_> Ian_Corne,  not me,, dual with same res
[00:15] <Ian_Corne> i think/hope alot has to do with udev crapping out like it's doing
[00:16] <Ian_Corne> hmm coz_
[00:16] <Ian_Corne> could you try putting one screen on a smaller resolution?
[00:17] <coz_> Ian_Corne,  sure but  at this point I dont have 11.10  installed so its likely not going to help,, I am going to install this weekend ,, sorry
[00:17] <Ian_Corne> ah
[00:17] <Ian_Corne> well it didn't work for me on 11.04 either :p
[00:17] <Ian_Corne> something about virtual resolutions
[00:17] <coz_> Ian_Corne,  oh!
[00:17] <coz_> Ian_Corne,  let me try  here
[00:17] <Ian_Corne> but i was on fglrx then, opensource drivers now
[00:18] <coz_> Ian_Corne,  oh I have nvidia
[00:18] <coz_> Ian_Corne,  and the smaller res on the secondary monitor,, although  too big ,, is fine
[00:18] <Ian_Corne> opensource drivers or the blob?
[00:18] <Ian_Corne> blob probably?
[00:18] <coz_> the blob
[00:18] <Ian_Corne> meh doesn't matter, they're diffrent from what i'm using anyways
[00:18] <coz_> yeah sorry
[00:19] <Ian_Corne> haha, np
[00:19] <Ian_Corne> I'll ask again tomorow, when there's people awake :)
[00:19] <coz_> :)
[00:19] <coz_> Ian_Corne,   I have had very very little expeirnece with ati
[00:20] <coz_> Ian_Corne,  although nourveau on fedora dual screen worked really well  ,,
[00:21] <Ian_Corne> yeah, i've had a dual monitor setup on another box for 4 years, worked great, but they were the same size
[00:21] <Ian_Corne> and it used the nvidia-settings
[00:21] <coz_> although I hit the bug with nouveau with compiz  when the video ram filled and things got weird
[00:21] <Ian_Corne> aha
[00:21] <Ian_Corne> how did you knwo the ram was full?
[00:21] <Ian_Corne> I've got 2GB on this card so I should be fine for a while :p
[00:22] <coz_> Ian_Corne,  smspillaz  was talking about the bug  as it happened to me,, I described and he verified it lol    a lot of good that did :)
[00:22] <coz_> apparenlty its too much for nouveau  + compiz + dual monitors
[00:23] <coz_> Ian_Corne,  things slowed down to a very slow crawl and video distortion  if I tried opening or closing anything
[00:23] <Ian_Corne> oh, i've been getting screen artifacts on both nvidia and fglrx and gallium :p
[00:24] <coz_> Ian_Corne, ooo  what fun... yes :)
[00:29] <Ian_Corne> on my laptop, when it comes back i have to unity --replace & exit in a terminal to get it back upto anythign i can see through :p
[00:44] <DanaG> weird... wmi events seem to be generated in the future?
[00:45] <Ian_Corne> :D
[00:45] <Ian_Corne> ntpdate ?
[00:45] <DanaG> er, wrong tab
[00:45] <DanaG> considering 'w' is short for 'windows'.
[01:23] <Ian_Corne> got the compiz ppa also running on my laptop now
[01:23] <Ian_Corne> lets see if suspend behaves nicely now
[01:25] <Ian_Corne> it doesn't
[01:54] <Chat3198> hi
[02:52] <GTRsdk> which package provides mono csc or al?
[05:32] <obviousTroll2> Hey all. Are users reporting problems with flash in +1?  Mine has been shot for a few days now.
[05:32] <urlin2u> 64 bit?
[05:32] <obviousTroll2> yup
[05:32] <urlin2u> yes others report this, the sevenmachines ppa has a package .
[05:33] <obviousTroll2> I'll check it out. Thanks urlin2u!
[05:33] <urlin2u> obviousTroll2, no problem
[05:39] <Peddy> When I set the boot resolution in the grub file, my boot screen is entirely black until the login screen. Help!
[05:42] <urlin2u> Peddy, which grub file     /etc/default/grub   and what reolution
[05:42] <urlin2u> resolution
[05:42] <Peddy> urlin2u, /etc/default/grub and 1680x1050
[05:43] <urlin2u> Peddy, is it the only OS on the computer?
[05:43] <Peddy> urlin2u, it's not, I have several other kernels and distributions, as well as Windows. But the grub was installed from this one.
[05:44] <urlin2u> Peddy, have you tried smaller resolutions and the original?
[05:45] <Peddy> urlin2u, I have not - do you suggest I set another resolution, or remove those lines entirely?
[05:45] <urlin2u> I would try the original
[05:47] <urlin2u> mine says this  #GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480  not even being used
[05:47] <Peddy> okay I will try that and report back - thanks for your help!
[05:47] <urlin2u> no problem read thoise four line it may be card realated
[05:48] <Peddy> it's always worked, I think upgrading to the 3.0.0-9 kernel is the problem.
[05:48] <urlin2u> Peddy, I think t is the upgrade of stuff I know nothing about, lol
[06:14] <bullgard4_> [GNOME 3] What document descibes the function of the "Guest Account"?
[06:27] <billybigrigger_> suuuuuuup
[06:28] <IdleOne> bullgard4: basically the Guest account is so you can let someone else use your pc with a default GUI and without them having access to sudo
[06:28] <IdleOne> so, they won't be able to install/remove anything
[06:32] <bullgard4_> IdleOne: All settings that the guest has made are lost after the computer is rebooted? I found a line in /etc/passwd that includes  :/tmp/guest-Tyohdf: .
[06:34] <IdleOne> bullgard4: I am not certain about the settings being reset
[06:35] <bullgard4_> IdleOne: Thank you for your help.
[06:40] <vega__> is gnome classic still in oneiric?
[06:47] <IdleOne> vega__: no
[06:50] <vega__> crap..
[06:51] <vega__> just tested unity on natty and support for multiple screens seems to be .. well, not really polished
[06:58] <billybigrigger_> IdleOne, any idea how i can add an http link to the unity launcher?
[06:58] <billybigrigger_> ie sabnzbplus
[06:58] <IdleOne> hmm nope
[06:58] <IdleOne> I think it has something to do with .desktop file
[06:58] <IdleOne> notice the .
[07:19] <bullgard4_> vega__: My advice: Get a free partition and install Ubuntu 11.10 on it. Then select GNOME 3. GNOME 3 will be the future.
[07:28] <htorque> hey guys! do you know if there's a built-in short version for 'bzr version-info'?
[07:32] <litropy> There's something wrong with the new effects in Cheese 3.0. They have a magenta overlay -- it's as if the other colors haven't been implemented. But here's the catch: within the effects panel, _and_ the actual picture taken, it's fine. It's just the live video that has the bug.
[07:33] <litropy> Could someone point me in the right direction?
[07:37] <makara> if I install Ocelot Alpha, will the automatic updates bring it up to the full release in October, or will I have to download that CD again?
[07:37] <nocturn> Hi
[07:38] <IdleOne> makara: yes it will get you to final release
[07:38] <nocturn> How can I change the font size in Oneiric?  Defaults are huge...
[07:38] <zniavre> gnome-tweak-tool ?
[07:42] <jbicha> nocturn: also see System Settings>Universal Access
[07:43] <jbicha> !beta
[07:44] <makara> !alpha
[07:45] <makara> jbicha, what about that?
[07:46] <IdleOne> makara: same applies for alpha
[07:46] <IdleOne> alpha will go to beta and beta to final
[07:46] <makara> ok
[07:46] <IdleOne> sometimes we don't even get a beta
[07:46] <makara> good news
[07:46] <IdleOne> last cycle it was all alpha's iirc
[07:52] <jbicha> no, there's always a beta
[07:52] <nocturn> 1Universal access works, but font smoothing is lost, tweak tool did it for everything but window titles
[07:53]  * nocturn will try logout-login
[08:40] <devurandom> Hello!
[08:40] <devurandom> I just installed Win7 x64 and then Ubuntu 11.10 alpha3 (oneric), but there is no boot selection being displayed. The system boots straight into Win7. I also tried to use EasyBCD as described in the official wiki, but that starts a "grub4dos" with / being the Windows partition.
[08:41] <devurandom> How do I properly setup a dual boot system with Win7 x64 and Ubuntu 11.10 x86-64?
[08:41] <rockthegod> i just installed ubuntu 11.04 in my win7 laptop on a seperate partition
[08:41] <rockthegod> but after they completed the installation and asked to reboot
[08:41] <rockthegod> im not able to view the boot options
[08:42] <devurandom> Haha, same issue here... Yours also boots straight into Win7?
[08:42] <rockthegod> can someone help me
[08:42] <rockthegod> yes devurandom
[08:42] <rockthegod> does it somehow  depend on the hardware?
[08:43] <devurandom> I just asked about the very same problem...
[08:43] <rockthegod> or is it something with win7
[08:43] <rockthegod> im rather new in this linux thing
[08:43] <rockthegod> what is this easybcd thing youve mentioned above
[08:44] <devurandom> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot#Master Boot Record and Boot Manager
[08:44] <devurandom> doesnt work for me though.
[08:45] <rockthegod> ive tried the 11.04 version
[08:46] <rockthegod> is there no one else out here who could help?
[08:47] <devurandom> patience
[08:47] <devurandom> irc is not realtime ;)
[08:47] <rockthegod> oh
[08:47] <rockthegod> but then how come we are able to talk in realtime?
[08:48] <devurandom> Well, it is mostly not used in a realtime way. You just ask your questions and wait for someone to answer. This might take from several minutes to some hours, depending on how complex the problem is and how many experienced people are around.
[08:48] <urlin2u> rockthegod, have you switched the HD's in the bios to see if grub is in that one?
[08:49] <rockthegod> iv ejust got the one HD
[08:49] <urlin2u> rockthegod, you ran sudo update-grub
[08:50] <devurandom> same here, it is a laptop which is uefi capable but supports some sort of fallback to legacy bios (thinkpad x121e)
[08:50] <rockthegod> could you please translate that...
[08:50] <Feldegast> rockthegod do you have a separate /boot partition?
[08:50] <rockthegod> im an amateur
[08:50] <rockthegod> yep
[08:50] <urlin2u> rockthegod, open a terminal and run   sudo update-grub
[08:50] <urlin2u> in ubuntu
[08:50] <rockthegod> i installed it in a seperate partition
[08:50] <rockthegod> im running windows now
[08:50] <Feldegast> ok
[08:51] <rockthegod> cannot goto ubuntu
[08:51] <urlin2u> rockthegod, was this a wubi install
[08:51] <Feldegast> so when it boots you see no boot options and it boots straight to windows?
[08:51] <rockthegod> yeah
[08:51] <devurandom> urlin2u: My install was a regular one, same issue here.
[08:51] <rockthegod> what is a wubi install?
[08:52] <rockthegod> no boot options and staright to windows
[08:52] <Feldegast> wubi is where you install within windows
[08:52] <rockthegod> no
[08:52] <urlin2u> rockthegod, here is ascript you should both run and pastebin the results text.  sudo update-grub
[08:52] <Feldegast> like a windows application
[08:52] <rockthegod> i installed from a cd
[08:52] <Feldegast> ok
[08:52] <urlin2u> http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/
[08:52] <Feldegast> let me get the repair steps
[08:53] <urlin2u> I would run the script it is a diagnostic tool
[08:53] <devurandom> Feldegast: Exactly. I also tried that EasyBCD tool Ubuntu recommends, but that does not help anything. It starts something that calls itself "grub4dos" which only presents a commandline and uses C:\ as root.
[08:53] <rockthegod> so i just download this script and run it right?
[08:53] <Feldegast> the method i use is using the install cd
[08:54] <urlin2u> rockthegod, in your case on a live ubuntu cd, needs to run in linux
[08:54] <devurandom> Feldegast: Is there a dedicated install cd or do you mean the regular desktop/live cd, just using the "install ubuntu" option?
[08:54] <urlin2u> might just need grub in the mbr, or purged and reloaded
[08:55] <devurandom> Hm, I can try to make the firmware emulate bios only, without exporting the ef interface. Maybe that helps.
[08:55] <devurandom> EFI does not use the MBR at all, does it?
[08:57] <Feldegast> devurandom the regular live cd
[08:58] <devurandom> darn, disabling the efi-nterface does not help a bit.
[08:58] <Feldegast> yes, all you have to do is re-install grub to the mbr after mounting the /boot partition
[08:58] <Feldegast> efi uses mbr
[08:58] <devurandom> oh, what for?
[08:59] <Feldegast> mbr is on the hdd, and it is run by efi just like bios runs it
[08:59] <Feldegast> efi is just an extended bios
[09:00] <devurandom> Ah, I thought efi runs the efi boot menu from the boot partition
[09:00] <devurandom> i.e. without going via any mbr, but directly jumping into that partition
[09:00] <Feldegast> if it does, the efi boot menu would be in the mbr
[09:01] <Feldegast> or a pointer to it would be in the mbr
[09:01] <devurandom> k, I thought that ptr was in the flash memory
[09:02] <Feldegast> http://linuxforums.org.uk/ubuntu/reinstalling-grub-1-99-in-ubuntu-11-04-from-livecd-command-change/
[09:02] <Feldegast> that's how you do it
[09:02] <Feldegast> BUT
[09:02] <Feldegast> you also have to mount the /boot partion if it is separate
[09:03] <Feldegast> into....
[09:03] <Feldegast> sudo mount /dev/sdXY /mnt/boot
[09:05] <Feldegast> To reinstall GRUB, just use the following graphical tool : Boot-Repair.
[09:05] <Feldegast> Boot-repair can be used either from a live-CD or from a normal session.
[09:05] <Feldegast> is another option
[09:06] <Feldegast> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD
[09:08] <devurandom> meep, does not work (tm)
[09:08] <urlin2u> devurandom, you have gpt partitons
[09:08] <urlin2u> ?
[09:08] <devurandom> possible
[09:08] <devurandom> Does windows support that?
[09:09] <urlin2u> exclusively
[09:09] <urlin2u> so do others though
[09:09] <urlin2u> devurandom, you running natty?
[09:09] <devurandom> I am trying to get Oneric to work
[09:10] <urlin2u> devurandom, you brave soul you, how much experience do you have in open source?
[09:11] <Lynoure> depends on the definition of "work". :)
[09:11] <urlin2u> Lynoure, hey. ;-)
[09:12] <devurandom> urlin2u: Been switching from SuSE 8 to Gentoo 1.4 at some time, if that gives you the idea.
[09:12] <urlin2u> devurandom, cool you could understand that bootscript I would run it
[09:18] <devurandom> urlin2u: That script has a problem, because the awk on the livecd has no "math support ... compiled in"
[09:18] <urlin2u> did you run it
[09:19] <devurandom> yes, that is how I figured out it has that problem
[09:20] <urlin2u> pastebin what it says this script is used all the time from live ubuntu cd, 1000's of times, all over the ubuntu forum and the bot knows what it is.
[09:20] <devurandom> urlin2u: sda seems to use msdos labels according to parted. I think then it does not use gpt, does it?
[09:20] <urlin2u> on the #ubuntu channel all day and night
[09:20] <devurandom> Might be, but there are error messages in RESULTS.txt
[09:21] <urlin2u> no it wont read gpt correctly thats why I was cut=rious as that was not confirmed.
[09:21] <urlin2u> mbr partitioning is whats its for.
[09:22] <urlin2u> darn, y=to bad I would wipe that gpt if it was me
[09:24] <devurandom> http://pastebin.ca/2078293
[09:28] <urlin2u> your missing this in sda5 /boot/grub/core.img, and MS is in the mbr. you running easybcd always
[09:29] <devurandom> How did you detect that?
[09:29] <devurandom> And I am missing what in sda5?
[09:29] <urlin2u> I have spent alot of time in this area, and have scripts from my own computer to compare
[09:30] <urlin2u> /boot/grub/core.img
[09:30] <urlin2u> sda5 shoud be this  /boot/grub/grub.cfg /etc/fstab /boot/grub/core.img
[09:31] <urlin2u> yours  /boot/grub/grub.cfg /etc/fstab
[09:31] <devurandom> The previous paste might have been wrong. This is one being chrooted into the oneric partition: http://pastebin.ca/2078294
[09:32] <devurandom> And "MS is in the MBR"? "You are running easybcd always"? Where did you see that? I'd simply like to learn.
[09:33] <devurandom> urlin2u: I have "core.efi" in /boot/grub
[09:33] <urlin2u> first text line Windows is installed in the MBR of /dev/sda.  you mentioned easybcd is all
[09:33] <devurandom> Ah, kk
[09:33] <urlin2u> in sdb1 am I right
[09:34] <urlin2u> the efi
[09:34] <devurandom> sdb1 is the stick that booted the live system.
[09:34] <devurandom> core.efi is in sda5
[09:36] <urlin2u> I wondered if sdb1 was a boot stick, I haven't seen what is normally in a efi,boot so I could be wrong but all the normal Ubuntu boot files are in sda5 minus the ones I mention
[09:38] <urlin2u> to be honest the partitions are all normal, it looks like a standard mbr type setup, as far as the partitions go
[09:38] <devurandom> Hm, so how do I get grub into the mbr?
[09:38] <urlin2u> the link earlier is correct  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD
[09:39] <devurandom> the anchor of the link you gave is dead. Is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling GRUB2 correct?
[09:40] <urlin2u> here is the easy default no chroot but you may have to go to the third option and chroot in and purge and reinstall grub-pc grub-common  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Copy%20LiveCD%20Files
[09:41] <urlin2u> that defaults to the live cd reload of grub without the chroot, the chroot is farther down 3rd option
[09:42] <urlin2u> more fun then you should be allowed to have huh. ;-)
[09:43] <devurandom> I ran grub-install several times now and your script still claims Windows is installed in the MBR...
[09:45] <devurandom> Darn, this is annoying.
[09:45] <urlin2u> devurandom, grub install from where
[09:45] <devurandom> Within chroot
[09:46] <devurandom> Can install from the live environment because it says /dev would be missing...
[09:46] <urlin2u> sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[09:46] <devurandom> The exact command I am running since half an hour.
[09:47] <urlin2u> you in chroot from the live cd?
[09:47] <devurandom> yes, from livecd into installed oneiric
[09:47] <devurandom> --force does not change a bit.
[09:48] <urlin2u> your missing that grub image i would purge grub-pc and grub-common the reinstall them
[09:49] <urlin2u> then
[09:50] <urlin2u> in the reinstall of the grub set it asks you where you want grub in sda of course
[09:51] <urlin2u> if you do that the space key tick the sda choice
[09:54] <zniavre_> good morning
[09:55] <zniavre_> im using gnome-panel session (fallback) does indicators will works with new gnome-panel or no ?
[09:56] <urlin2u> devurandom, here is a excellent link for what your doing as well.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1581099
[09:59] <devurandom> Thats basically what I am doing.
[10:00] <devurandom> I'll try this reinstall thingy once, maybe that helps
[10:03] <jbicha> zniavre_: indicators have not been ported to the new gnome-panel yet, it still might happen before final release though
[10:04] <zniavre_> jbicha,  that will be nice    :o)  thank you answering
[10:04] <jbicha> zniavre_: you can follow bug 724369 if you want updates on it
[10:08] <zniavre_> jbicha, thank you (bis)
[10:09] <devurandom> I think the issue might be grub-efi being installed while I cannot boot anything when selecting "uefi only" in the firmware.
[10:11] <devurandom> Which in turn might be the reason your "reinstall grub-pc" trick works.
[10:11] <devurandom> Havent tested so far, though. Atm I am pulling in about 500 updates...
[10:13] <nocturn> Does anyone have Skype working on Oneiric 64-bit?
[10:13] <nocturn> There seem to be missing ia32 libs...
[10:14] <devurandom> Hm, efi needs a boot partition, right? And grub2 probably does not support the boot partition win7 created... And it is not even a real efi partition it seems. /efi is missing.
[10:14] <urlin2u> I'm gonna crash, but if you still have not got is=t going the ubuntu forums have some great help there that is where I learned all of this at.
[10:16] <devurandom> Thanks for trying though. :)
[10:16] <urlin2u> no problem
[10:20] <lenios> devurandom, are you trying to use efi or mbr?
[10:21] <devurandom> My laptop supports "uefi" and "legacy". I am just trying to get it to boot Ubuntu and Win7, whatever I will end up with.
[10:21] <lenios> gpt partitions?
[10:21] <devurandom> Atm it seems the grub I installed was the efi one, but the firmware was not able to start it.
[10:22] <devurandom> lenios: I am not sure. parted says "msdos", but maybe that is just the legacy support kicking in.
[10:22] <devurandom> lenios: How would I figure out for sure?
[10:22] <lenios> i thought (g)parted had good support for gpt
[10:24] <devurandom> just tried gparted. also says partiton-table=msdos
[10:24] <devurandom> Can I install gpt in addition to msdos labels?
[10:24] <devurandom> And do I need it for eif?
[10:24] <devurandom> efi
[10:24] <lenios> parted -l /dev/sda should say Partition Table: gpt
[10:25] <lenios> gpt + msdos is called hybrid
[10:25] <devurandom> no, says msdos
[10:25] <lenios> then you have msdos
[10:25] <devurandom> Do I need gpt to get it to work?
[10:25] <lenios> i'm not sure about that
[10:26] <devurandom> And in that case I also need an efi boot partition, right?
[10:26] <devurandom> that case = i use efi
[10:26] <devurandom> Since atm no such thing seems to exist.
[10:26] <lenios> is there a reference for your firmware?
[10:26] <devurandom> define "reference" please.
[10:28] <lenios> something to help me find doc about it
[10:29] <devurandom> It is a thinkpad x121e model 3051-5QG
[10:30] <devurandom> maybe I messed up when I installed windows. Maybe partitioning it manually made it decide not to use efi... :(
[10:31] <devurandom> And then maybe it decide to not use gpt either, and create no efi boot partition and so on...
[10:32] <lenios> if repartitioning is possible, i would try to reformat the disk from gparted, specifying gpt partition table
[10:33] <devurandom> Yep, sounds like a good idea. I'll also get another usb stick first, so I can have a windows and ubuntu installation medium available at the same time, in case I need to reinstall yet again.
[10:35] <lenios> not sure, but  "(EFI does not support booting from disks with MSDOS partition table!)" from http://www.novell.com/support/documentLink.do?externalID=7003263
[10:36] <devurandom> Dang, now that I installed grub for bioses win7 does not start anymore. Saying something about a broken bcd file...
[10:36] <lenios> oh, i know how to fix that
[10:37] <lenios> had bad experience with that, but fix is actually simple if you have the windows cdrom
[10:37] <lenios> boot on the install cd, and click on repair on the bottom left
[10:38] <devurandom> hehe, I had to overwrite the windows boot stuff with the ubuntu stuff, because I have only one usb stick.
[10:39] <lenios> wasn't windows on gpt partition table?
[10:39] <devurandom> s/boot/install/
[10:39] <devurandom> the usb stick I used for installation. I had to overwrite it.
[10:41] <lenios> but the computer's hard drive should be shipped with gpt
[10:41] <devurandom> I think windows wanted to format everything. I think everything was entirely empty when I received it.
[10:41] <devurandom> The laptop is shipped without any os.
[10:44] <lenios> i can't help you with windows, but if you want to dual boot, you probably first need to get windows to work with gpt, get the correct partitions with gparted, and then install ubuntu (try not to install grub on the drive)
[10:47] <devurandom> "try not to install grub"? Because ubuntu does this automatically, or why?
[10:48] <devurandom> Or do you mean "try not to install the bios / non-efi variant of grub"?
[10:48] <devurandom> @lenios
[10:52] <lenios> i mean do not install grub on mbr
[10:52] <devurandom> Too late. Can I clear it still?
[10:53] <lenios> is it an efi aware grub?
[10:54] <devurandom> I now installed grub-pc, replacing the grub-efi that was installed earlier
[10:58] <lenios> grub-pc has support for gpt partition tables
[10:59] <devurandom> ok, heading for the store then, getting usb sticks
[11:14] <devurandom> And thanks a lot lenios!
[11:50] <alkisg> Hi, I'm about to install oneiric, is the daily build installable or should I use the alpha 3 cd?
[12:22] <drussell> alkisg: I've had some success with daily builds recently, not tried today though
[12:22] <drussell> alkisg: the last daily I installed was 4-5 days ago
[12:26] <alkisg> drussell: thank you - burning alpha 3 then.... :)
[12:26] <alkisg> Ah you meant that you didn't try, not that they failed
[12:26] <alkisg> Sorry, non-native english speaker, had to read that twice :)
[12:27] <alkisg> OK, burning the daily build
[12:29] <jbicha> alkisg: today's daily build might have trouble with bug 831812
[12:29] <alkisg> jbicha: thanks - I'll run it without --desktop
[12:30] <alkisg> Hmm my lucid usb-creator doesn't like the oneiric .iso image though...
[12:31] <alkisg> Do I need a newer usb creator for that?
[12:31] <penguin42> yeh I think so
[12:31] <alkisg> Ty, looking for some ppa...
[12:31] <Ian_Corne> try unetbootin
[12:31] <penguin42> alkisg: There should be one in the lucid-updates I think
[12:31] <penguin42> unetbootin is great
[12:32] <Ian_Corne> I never use the ubuntu one anymore, always unetbootin :p
[12:38] <alkisg> Thanks, I installed the natty usb-creator package
[12:39] <penguin42> yofel: The nautilus is started from ksmserverrc - not found a safe way to edit out yet (just filed a bug that there isn't a way to edit it...)
[12:39]  * alkisg prefers using the stock tools provided by Ubuntu, when they actually work, that is
[12:53] <lenios> does anybody know what migration from update-manager -d actually do except changing sources.list and updating packages?
[12:59] <nocturn>  lenios: doing -d should take care of sources
[12:59] <nocturn> and wil run the entire upgrade
[13:00] <lenios> i mean, what's different from sed s/natty/oneiric/g /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:02] <lenios> (that shoud actually be sed -i, but whatever)
[13:04] <mvo> lenios: not much except for the stuff in DistUpgradeQuirks.py that will automatically work around known issues that are put into the ReleaseNotes usually
[13:04] <mvo> lenios: plus it will ensure that you have ubuntu-dekstop (or kubuntu, or whatever) after the upgrade and do a bit more cleanup
[13:05] <lenios> i see
[13:05] <mvo> but generally speaking its fine to use apt-get (if you familiar with the tool and pay attention to the output etc)
[13:08] <vega__> there's also do-release-upgrade command
[13:09] <vega__> "This is the preferred command if the machine has no graphic environment or if the machine is to be upgraded over a remote connection."
[13:10] <lenios> can you use a local mirror with do-release-upgrade?
[13:11] <alkisg> Meh, the ubiquity window doesn't fit in my 1024x600 netbook screen, if I didn't know to hold down Alt to move windows I wouldn't be able to proceed with the installation
[13:12] <vega__> lenios: don't know, someone seem to have succeeded: http://blog.troyastle.com/2010/10/upgrading-from-lucid-to-maverick-using.html
[13:18] <Jessica_Lily> Hey, when I enable the proprietary graphics drivers with the additional drivers tool it instructs me to reboot, so I do. When I boot back up it doesn't use them. What package would I file this as a bug against?
[13:19] <Ian_Corne> jockey-gtk
[13:19] <jbicha> Jessica_Lily: just run ubuntu-bug and report as a display problem
[13:20] <Jessica_Lily> okay
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:49] <makara> i just installed Oneric Alpha 3 and its unusable. The graphics for Unity 3D and 2D doesn't refresh properly
[13:49] <bazhang> makara, file a bug then
[13:49] <Ian_Corne> makara: have you updated?
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> !schedule
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> yeh, alpha 3 is quite old
[13:51] <makara> how do I update when I can't navigate?
[13:51] <Ian_Corne> console
[13:51] <jtaylor> if you can't use the console, don't use a alpha
[13:51] <Ian_Corne> +1
[13:51] <makara> i'm in way over my head
[13:52] <makara> i know how to use the console
[13:52] <makara> though
[13:52] <drussell> makara: ctrl+alt+f1, login, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
[13:52] <Pici> Use a dist-upgrade
[13:52] <Ian_Corne> first upgrade
[13:52] <Ian_Corne> then check dist-upgrade
[13:52] <drussell> Ian_Corne: exactly
[13:53] <Ian_Corne> if you see "ubuntu-desktop" will be uninstalled
[13:53] <Ian_Corne> don't :p
[13:53] <drussell> makara: though it's still an alpha, so some levels of breakage should be almost expected
[13:53] <drussell> makara: it's been pretty stable for me, but not everyone's been so lucky, the odd compiz crash now and again
[13:54] <makara> why does the login page list GNOME if its not an option?
[13:54] <jtaylor> since today regualr unity finally works for me :)
[13:54] <jtaylor> not more constantly crashing metacity :D
[13:54] <drussell> makara: gnome3 is still gnome ;o)
[13:55] <Ian_Corne> makara: gnome is an option
[13:55] <Ian_Corne> "classic" isn't, and by classic, it means gnome-panel
[13:56] <makara> it gives an error when I login with GNOME (other options are Ubuntu 2D and Ubuntu)
[13:56] <Ian_Corne> well, gnome-shell is not installed by default
[13:56] <Ian_Corne> but makara did you update?
[13:57] <makara> updating now
[13:57] <makara> so will I have GNOME as an option when this is done?
[13:57] <Ian_Corne> no
[13:57] <Ian_Corne> you'll need to install gnome-shell I think
[13:58] <makara> thanks
[13:58] <makara> that's unfortunate
[13:58] <Ian_Corne> ?
[13:58] <makara> GNOME2 is a good interface
[13:58] <Ian_Corne> it was ok
[13:59] <makara> what was wrong with it?
[13:59] <Pici> GNOME is no longer supporting it.
[13:59] <Ian_Corne> 1 ^^
[13:59] <Ian_Corne> and it looks outdated
[13:59] <Ian_Corne> there's still LXDE which is pretty much the same
[13:59] <makara> what does outdated look like?
[14:00] <Pici> The main reason is that GNOME is not supporting it.
[14:00] <makara> well if it doesn't change there'll be no need for support
[14:00] <Ian_Corne> makara: just stay on 10.04 then
[14:00] <Ian_Corne> it won't change
[14:00] <Ian_Corne> no need to support it
[14:00] <makara> which solves a whole lot of problems
[14:01] <makara> my wifi doesn't work on 10.04
[14:01] <makara> so I'm running through the gauntlet to get things to work
[14:02] <makara> hoping linux 3 will have a fix, and can only get that with Ocelot
[14:02] <alkisg> Try installing linux-image-generic-lts-backport-natty to your 10.04
[14:08] <makara> what is that? from synaptic it says latest version is 2.6.38-10-20
[14:08] <makara> i think I had a newer version with my 11.04 install
[14:09] <alkisg> If you tried 11.04 and your wifi didn't work, that won't work either, it's the natty kernel
[14:10] <makara> tell me, why would 11.10 have a newer version of linux available than 10.04?
[14:11] <makara> surely there's less to test since 10.04 is so stable anyway
[14:11] <Feldegast> makara it's newer
[14:11] <makara> i mean why wouldn't the updates to 10.04 have linux 3 already?
[14:12] <Feldegast> developers are concentrating on the new alpha
[14:12] <Pici> makara: Because we don't upgrade packages like that on releases that have already shipped.
[14:13] <Pici> !latest
[14:13] <makara> Pici: are you saying 10.04 will always have linux 2.6, no matter how long I wait?
[14:13] <vega__> makara: of course
[14:14] <Pici> makara: yes. In fact, it will have 2.6.32 forever.
[14:14] <makara> i see
[14:14] <Ian_Corne> makara: unless you add the kernel ppa
[14:14] <vega__> not a single distro changes kernel major version inside one release ..
[14:14] <makara> is '32' ubuntu's own suffix?
[14:14] <Ian_Corne> no
[14:18] <makara> i'm trying to understand what I can expect from different versions of linux, ubuntu and updates. Like what exactly is a linux update? At what point do the wifi drivers get added? It seems Torvalds does that part. But then what is this .32 all about - could this include drivers for new Atheros chips?
[14:23] <makara> one gets tired of guessing these things
[14:24] <Feldegast> .32 is just a version number
[14:25] <STiK_M> 32 bit a d 64 bit versions.
[14:26] <STiK_M> Nvm kernel version.
[14:27] <makara> STiK_M i don't think so
[14:28] <Feldegast> 2.6.38-10-20 is a version number
[14:28] <makara> Feldegast, I'm looking for something more profound
[14:29] <Feldegast> ubuntu make changes to the kernel to so things like displaying the ubuntu logo at start up and other tweaks
[14:29] <Feldegast> *do
[14:29] <Ian_Corne> that has nothing todo with the kernel
[14:29] <Ian_Corne> :p
[14:30] <Feldegast> sometimes things are left out or added too from the standard kernel modules compiled within the kernel
[14:31] <Feldegast> like a module might be left out if it is not stable yet
[14:34] <makara> i think it would really be useful to know what type of modules, don't you?
[14:35] <makara> i'm just a normal user trying to get things to work so I gotta know all these things, but the high-level documentation, if it exists, isn't upfront enough
[14:35] <makara> (I'm a technical writer by the way)
[14:36] <makara> ((disgruntled at not getting a reply from canonical to his resume))
[14:36] <dupondje> You need network connection to install 11.10 alternative ?
[14:38] <makara> from my miserable experience i'd say you need network connection. period.
[14:40] <drussell> dupondje: yes
[14:40] <dupondje> thats like *crap* :)
[14:40] <dupondje> no other way to install without network ? :p
[14:41] <makara> linux is really only for networked computers
[14:43] <dupondje> well but there is no wireless support ... :)
[14:43] <dupondje> in the installer ..
[14:46] <makara> surprize!
[14:48] <jtaylor> you don't need network for the alternate installer
[14:48] <jtaylor> else I would be screwed, I need to use ndiswrapper and windows driver for my crappy wlan stick
[14:50]  * Feldegast has atheros wireless
[14:51] <dupondje> jtaylor: just tested, and it seems its needed :s
[14:52] <makara> Feldegast, an Atheros AR9271?
[14:52] <jtaylor> dupondje: then thats new and very very bad :O
[14:52] <jtaylor> dupondje: which step needs it?
[14:52] <jtaylor> alpha3 didn't so far I know
[14:53] <dupondje> it tries dhcp autoconfig, it fails (ofc no network cable installed)
[14:53] <dupondje> then it asks for country
[14:53] <dupondje> then it gives you the repository
[14:53] <dupondje> but ofc It can't connect
[14:53] <makara> Oneric warned me against using wifi (either the install or the website)
[14:53] <jtaylor> it should just continue and use the cd repo
[14:54] <dupondje> it goes back to the repo list ..
[14:54] <dupondje> dont seem to be able to continue
[14:54] <jtaylor> are you doing an expert install?
[14:54] <dupondje> hmz no
[14:54] <dupondje> just alternative cd
[14:55] <dupondje> using cli install
[14:55] <dupondje> only possible in expert ?
[14:55] <jtaylor> no it should also work in normal install
[14:55] <jtaylor> I'll test it in a VM when I have somebandwidth to spare
[14:58] <Feldegast> makara not sure
[14:58] <makara> lsusb in a terminal and it'll say
[14:59] <jtaylor> :/ zsync needs to load 70% ._.
[14:59] <jtaylor> I wish ubuntu would ofer jigdo
[14:59] <Feldegast> makara it's built into my EEE PC
[14:59] <Feldegast> it works, so i am not that curious
[14:59] <makara> jtaylor - it did. it failed me horribly. I ended up downloading gigs of data for nothing
[15:00] <jtaylor> ?
[15:02] <makara> jtaylor: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JigdoDownloadHowto
[15:02] <makara> but I don't recommend it
[15:02] <makara> i was trying to save bandwidth and had nothing to show at the end of it
[15:02] <jtaylor> but its not offered for 11.04?
[15:03] <jtaylor> I use jigdo to update my debian packages
[15:03] <jtaylor> its much better as it can integrate with apt-cachers
[15:03] <makara> jtaylor, it is. that's the one that failed me
[15:04] <makara> i had high hopes for jigdo
[15:05] <jtaylor> is there a 11.04 template?
[15:05] <makara> http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.04/
[15:06] <jtaylor> ups I mean 11.10
[15:06] <jtaylor> hm no
[15:08] <jtaylor> dupondje: just tried with an iso from 05. aug works fine without net
[15:09] <jtaylor> updating that iso to curren t will take 2 hours :/
[15:10] <genii-around> Meh. Latest update installed nautilus again which I had removed because it kept opening on startup in my Kubuntu
[15:11] <Ian_Corne> haha
[15:11] <Ian_Corne> that's been around of a while now, nautilus starting on kde
[15:18] <makara> can't believe this is happening :D
[15:18] <makara> wifi won't work even with 3.0.0
[15:19] <makara> Ian_Corne: what is dist-upgrade that you suggested to me earlier?
[15:20] <Ian_Corne> apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:20] <makara> what does it do?
[15:20] <makara> sell it to me
[15:20] <Ian_Corne> man apt-get
[15:21] <makara> i know that part smarty pants
[15:21] <bazhang> !dist-upgrade | makara
[15:21] <bazhang> makara, no need for the attitude
[15:23] <makara> my apologies
[15:23] <makara> so why would I do this dist-upgrade? what can I expect from it?
[15:24] <charlie-tca> Usually because you prefer all packages in Oneiric upgrade when possible, instead of hundreds sitting on hold
[15:24] <makara> i would like to keep all packages
[15:25] <Pici> Because often new packages need to bring in new dependencies, like linux-image depending on a new kernel update.
[15:26] <charlie-tca> um, if something supercedes a package, why would you want to keep it?
[15:27] <charlie-tca> That seems like the reason to run LTS instead of development releases
[15:28] <makara> ok, i'm still confused, but I'll do it anyway
[15:29] <Feldegast> LTS is for stability
[15:30] <Feldegast> development releases are for the latest code
[15:34] <charlie-tca> Isn't "i would like to keep all packages  " looking for stability?
[15:38] <makara> yeah, I was just stupid getting this D-Link wifi and expecting it to work out the box
[15:39] <makara> buy new hardware - then its bound to be unstable
[15:41] <BluesKaj> makara, what chip is the dlink using ?
[15:42] <makara> BluesKaj: Artheros AR9271
[15:45] <BluesKaj> makara, open a terminal , sudo modprobe ath9k_htc
[15:46] <makara> can't open terminal with ctrl-alt-T anymore?
[15:47] <makara> BluesKaj: no output
[15:47] <makara> what was supposed to happen?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> that's good
[15:50] <makara> BluesKaj: I can pick up wifis in the area, but not authenticate
[15:52] <BluesKaj> makara, sudo dhclient wlan0 , or whatever designation your wifi is.
[15:52] <BluesKaj> in networkmanager
[15:53] <makara> in networkmanager?
[15:53] <makara> when I run from terminal it just gives me a cursor - no output
[15:54] <jo-erlend> I can't get to Empathys menu anymore. Can someone confirm that?
[15:55] <BluesKaj> no i didn't mean run the command in network manager, what's wifi listed as there wlan0 or ? makara
[15:55] <jo-erlend> this is really bad. I can no longer make phone calls.
[15:55] <makara> wlan0
[15:56] <BluesKaj> ok makara then run sudo dhclient wlan0 in the terminal
[15:56] <makara> done
[15:56] <BluesKaj> no sudo makara , sorru
[15:56] <BluesKaj> oh well
[15:57] <BluesKaj> any output >\?
[15:57] <makara> "dhclient wlan0" : "operation not permitted"
[15:57] <BluesKaj> ok with sudo ?
[15:57] <makara> as above
[15:57] <makara> no output
[15:57] <makara> just a hanging cursor
[15:58] <BluesKaj> makara, pastebin , ifconfig
[15:59] <BluesKaj> then iwconfig
[16:01] <makara> BluesKaj: my graphics is totally screwed up even after dist-updates so I have to do this in tty1
[16:02] <makara> i'd like to logout and try in unity2D, but can't logout
[16:03] <BluesKaj> maybe you should look after your graphics issues first , makara ...I have to leave for a couple hrs
[16:03] <makara> ok, me too
[16:03] <makara> get some mor e beers
[16:03] <makara> thanks for the help
[16:41] <makara> when I try to update from 'Software Up to Date' it says 'Not all updates can be installed' and I get the option 'partial upgrade', which I click. Then Ubuntu wants to send a lot of bug reports, but can't because stuff isn't uptodate, so now the 'Distribution Upgrade' dialog is just going in circles
[16:45] <Ian_Corne> makara: use the commandline interface
[16:45] <Ian_Corne> firstly
[16:45] <Ian_Corne> sudo rm /var/crash/*.crash
[16:45] <Ian_Corne> then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[16:46] <Ian_Corne> and then apt-get dist-upgrade and show us what it wants to update
[16:49] <makara> ok. but before I do that let me tell you that before the login screen I get a page full of "failed to execute /lib/udev/input.id" errors
[16:49] <makara> i won't login, but instead tty1 all your instructions
[16:49] <Ian_Corne> I have that too makara
[16:50] <Ian_Corne> udev is broken for me too
[16:50] <Ian_Corne> and stuff like jockey (the driver installation program) doesn't work because of it
[16:50] <makara> what is udev?
[16:50] <Ian_Corne> and alot of stuf crashes
[16:50] <Ian_Corne> Udev manages the Linux /dev directory, and hooks userspace into kernel device events
[16:50] <Ian_Corne> :p
[16:50] <makara> ouch
[16:51] <Ian_Corne> yeah it's not good, that it's broken
[16:51] <Ian_Corne> And i've got no clue what's wrong with it..
[16:52] <makara> its asking me to download another 100 MB for the dist-upgrade
[16:53] <makara> I've already done this and I can't be so casual with my bandwidth if you know what I mean
[16:53] <Ian_Corne> you won't download stuff that you don't need
[16:53] <makara> oh, hold on
[16:53] <Ian_Corne> but show me what the dist-upgrade wants to install/upgrade/uninstall
[16:54] <Ian_Corne> because dist-upgrade can break your system
[16:54] <makara> it says 195 kB/98.8 MB of archives
[16:54] <jtaylor> you should not use a development version of ubuntu when you have expensive bandwidth
[16:54] <Ian_Corne> yes
[16:54] <Ian_Corne> only 195kb extra
[16:54] <jtaylor> unfortunatly ubuntu has no debdelta upgrades like debian
[16:54] <makara> unable to fetch lalala forbidden
[16:54] <Pici> !pastebin
[16:54] <Ian_Corne> show me makara
[16:54] <Ian_Corne> with lalala i'm nothing
[16:55] <makara> libboost and telepathy indicator
[16:55] <Ian_Corne> no
[16:55] <Ian_Corne> i need the error
[16:55] <Pici> makara: Use a pastebin please.
[16:55] <Ian_Corne> !pastebinit
[16:55] <makara> how do I copy from tty1?
[16:55] <Ian_Corne> use that pastebinit tool
[16:58] <makara> hey that's pretty neat
[16:59] <makara> http://paste.ubuntu.com/674630/
[17:00] <Ian_Corne> Err http://ls.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ oneiric/main telepathy-indicator amd64 0.0.4-0ubuntu1 403  Forbidden
[17:00] <Ian_Corne> that's a problem with the archive
[17:00] <Ian_Corne> edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the ls. prefix
[17:00] <Ian_Corne> i'll report this to the mirror admins
[17:02] <genii-around> Might want to try sa.archive.ubuntu.com
[17:03] <Ian_Corne> or za
[17:03] <Ian_Corne> seeing as you're in za
[17:03] <Ian_Corne> according to your 19:03:02 -!- makara [~makara@dsl-242-205-164.telkomadsl.co.za]
[17:03] <makara> unknown mime-type
[17:03] <Ian_Corne> ?
[17:05] <Ian_Corne> makara: more clear error output please
[17:06] <Ian_Corne> and by edit, i meant use a text editor of your choice
[17:06] <Ian_Corne> to edit that file
[17:06] <Ian_Corne> you'll need sudo
[17:06] <makara> tried that
[17:06] <makara> i'm going from unity2d
[17:06] <makara> what program is 'edit'?
[17:07] <Ian_Corne> 19:06:08 < Ian_Corne> and by edit, i meant use a text editor of your choice
[17:07] <makara> there's a choice?
[17:07] <jtaylor> no
[17:07] <jtaylor> only vim
[17:07] <Ian_Corne> vim is not installed by default
[17:07] <Ian_Corne> nano is
[17:07] <Ian_Corne> use nano
[17:08] <Ian_Corne> ctrl+x to save and quit
[17:08] <makara> nano it is
[17:08] <makara> ok, 'ls' all over the place
[17:08] <jtaylor> ._.
[17:08] <Ian_Corne> yes, remove "ls."
[17:09] <makara> did the dist-upgrade
[17:09] <makara> 0 for everything. nothing to change.
[17:09] <makara> so I'm uptodate
[17:09] <Ian_Corne> huh?
[17:10] <Ian_Corne> can't have gone that fast
[17:10] <jtaylor> update again first
[17:15] <makara> what does ls stand 4?
[17:16] <genii-around> list
[17:16] <genii-around> Hm. But maybe not if it's some message all over the place.
[17:17] <Ian_Corne> makara: ls is the tld of a country
[17:17] <Ian_Corne> it indicates an ubuntu archive mirror in that country
[17:17] <Ian_Corne> i have no idea what country ls is :p
[17:17] <makara> lesotho
[17:18] <makara> the underdog
[17:19] <Ian_Corne> k
[17:19] <makara> done. now another 217MB
[17:19] <makara> is this all unique stuff?
[17:20] <makara> are we not going backwards I mean - its all one layer on top of the other
[17:20] <jtaylor> its all newer than what you have, but it may not be the newst, depending if your mirror is up to date
[17:21] <jtaylor> you can check here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[17:21] <Ian_Corne> makara: just a word of warning, this wont be it, regarding to bandwith
[17:22] <Ian_Corne> there'll be alot more updates comming your way
[17:22] <osmosis> has there been any testing done on Samsung Series 9 laptops?
[17:22] <makara> if its local that's fine
[17:22] <makara> might lose you on irc though
[17:23] <Ian_Corne> makara: local as in your country?
[17:23] <makara> yes
[17:23] <makara> my international bandwidth cuts off after 10gig and then the local lasts another 20gig after that
[17:24] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[17:24] <Ian_Corne> well by removing the ls.
[17:24] <jtaylor> hm 20gb can be eaten quickly by updates
[17:24] <Ian_Corne> you're now drawing international bandwit
[17:26] <makara> yummy
[17:26] <makara> it's all international until I use it up
[17:41] <jo-erlend> when I upgraded to Oneiric, I thought I'd get upgrades every day. That doesn't seem to be the case?
[17:42] <Pici> beta freeze is today, so you'll be seeing a slowdown in updates.
[17:42] <genii-around> Strange, that seems to be the case here.
[17:42] <jo-erlend> I haven't gotten any upgrades for several days.
[17:43] <Ian_Corne> jo-erlend: maybe your archive mirror is slow in updating?
[17:43] <Ian_Corne> not all mirrors do so well for dev releases
[17:43] <jo-erlend> Ian_Corne, ah. That might be it. :)
[17:43] <Ian_Corne> 19:21:05 < jtaylor> you can check here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[17:45] <kyubutsu> 0.o  beta freeze!?
[17:45] <Ian_Corne> yeah, already
[17:45] <kyubutsu> :D
[17:45] <Ian_Corne> and there's ALOT broken :p
[17:45] <kyubutsu> still   :(
[17:45] <Ian_Corne> but I think that just means there's no new versions allowed to be uploaded
[17:46] <jo-erlend> Ian_Corne, that was it. Thanks. :)
[17:46] <Ian_Corne> altho I think they'll make an exception for compiz and networkmanager
[17:47] <Ian_Corne> or at least I hope
[17:47] <Ian_Corne> :p
[18:17] <BluesKaj> makara, get the d-link wifi running ?
[18:18] <makara> not yet BluesKaj
[18:18] <Ian_Corne> did the dist-upgrade come through?
[18:19] <BluesKaj> I have a few suggestions , but no guarantees , makara
[18:19] <alkisg> Any known problems with aptd using 100% cpu usage all the time?
[18:20] <makara> Ian_Corne the new servers are slower for me, so the upgrade is taking some time
[18:20] <Ian_Corne> yes
[18:20] <Ian_Corne> that's normal
[18:20] <makara> i'd like to hear your suggestions BluesKaj
[18:20] <BluesKaj> first try this , to see what state it's in makara .  sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[18:21] <makara> no output
[18:22] <BluesKaj> that's fine makara , now, iwlist wlan0 scanning
[18:22] <makara> no scan results
[18:24] <BluesKaj> makara, sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i essid
[18:25] <makara> interface doesn't support scanning
[18:25] <makara> wait
[18:25] <makara> ok, 3 ESSIDs available
[18:25] <makara> one is 'vikramasila' - mine
[18:26] <BluesKaj> ok , sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid 'vikramasila
[18:26] <BluesKaj> without the '
[18:27] <BluesKaj> ok , sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid vikramasila
[18:27] <makara> no output
[18:28] <BluesKaj> ok, not asking for pasphrase ... open network manager check the settings there
[18:30] <makara> Ian_Corne - updates finished with error on libreoffice emailmerge deb 'failed to fetch' because of undetermined error [ip: 91.189.88.46 80]
[18:30] <makara> BluesKaj - I will type the password into the dialog
[18:31] <makara> i set my router to WEP
[18:31] <BluesKaj> wpa is more secure
[18:32] <BluesKaj> wpa2 actaully if available
[18:32] <makara> i saw other people with problems in 11.04 on WPA so I'll change later if that's ok
[18:33] <makara> nothing happened
[18:34] <BluesKaj> makara, np , as long as you have really good passphrase :)
[18:35] <psalden> hey folks, can I still set overall font sizes in oneiric?
[18:36]  * BluesKaj wonders if the ath9k_htc driver is even installed
[18:39] <makara> when i do 'tailf /var/log/syslog' i get a lot of this: pastebin.com/QCvmbBtY
[18:40] <makara> unrelated?
[18:42] <makara> this is the blighter I was getting back on 11.04: pastebin.com/2ZgLBKh2
[18:43] <makara> i've seen someone else with this on launchpad
[18:45] <makara> i updated to pre-release kernel, i dropped to WEP security, i changed the wifi channel - all 3 apparently worked for some other people
[18:46] <jo-erlend> the newest upgrade removed unity. Unity2d still works though. Any good reason for this?
[18:49] <bjsnider> makara, those are errors in the printing system
[18:49] <Ian_Corne> broken packages
[18:49] <Ian_Corne> jo-erlend: always check before doing dist-upgrade
[18:49] <Ian_Corne> you'll have to wait now
[18:49] <bjsnider> use wpa2 if available because it's a lot faster than wpa
[18:50] <jo-erlend> Ian_Corne, oh, I don't mind. I think unity2d is quite nice, so if I "have to" stick with it for a while, that's fine by me :)
[18:51] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, what's command to see if a module is installed, will lsmod show the ath9k_htc driver ?
[18:52] <BluesKaj> for makara 's d-link wifi, bjsnider
[18:52] <bjsnider> no
[18:52] <bjsnider> you can certainly try modprobing that module
[18:53] <bjsnider> modprobe ath9k should be enough to get that chip working
[18:53] <BluesKaj> yeah , we did that a while back
[18:53] <BluesKaj> just ath9k ?
[18:53] <bjsnider> what happens with modprobe ath9k_htc?
[18:53] <BluesKaj> makara, ?
[18:54] <bjsnider> ath9k is the module that handles all atheros 9000 chips
[18:54] <bjsnider> or most of them anyway
[18:54] <BluesKaj> ok
[18:54] <makara> here's the bug reports I found in launchpad and some others: paste.bin.com/RV97WMWk
[18:55] <makara> the strangest thing is that it did work on one single occasion
[18:55] <BluesKaj> makara, try modprobe ath9k
[18:56] <makara> no output
[18:56] <bjsnider> ath9k will then load other modules related to it such as mac80211 and others with ath9k in the name
[18:57] <Saviq> hi all, trying to net-install oneiric here, but can't get linux-headers-3.0.0-9 to install, it complains about no space left on device on a 40G-free volume :/
[18:58] <Saviq> it's a luks/lvm/btrfs setup, but I got natty on there no issues
[18:58] <Saviq> wanted to get clean oneiric on it, but can't get past that thing :/
[19:00] <makara> BluesKaj, bjsnider: i see a new option in 11.04 to require IPv4 addressing for the connection to complete. Won't this interfere with my crossover ethernet and DHCP that its getting from my laptop?
[19:01] <makara> what is 'direct probe'? what is it asking for?
[19:08] <BluesKaj> makara, using a crossover cable or ethernet with the laptop, it shouldn't be connected  to anything for wifi configuration
[19:09] <BluesKaj> bbiab , got some stuff to do for a few mins
[19:34] <makara> somehow I think we're in too deep on this one http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-268123.html
[19:35] <BluesKaj> makara, did you see my post above ?
[19:45] <makara> sure, whenever you have time BluesKaj
[19:45] <makara> i'm just tinkling away here
[19:48] <BluesKaj> makara, have you considered wicd-gtk , i run wicd-kde on my other pc which uses a belkin ralink usb wifi adapter and wicd's latest offerings are really quite good they replace the default network manager when you install
[19:49] <BluesKaj> !wicd-gtk | makara
[19:49] <BluesKaj> !wicd | makara
[19:50] <BluesKaj> !info wicd-gtk | makara
[19:50] <jtaylor> :O just logged int, thats one large password box we have now ^^
[19:51] <makara> yeah I tried wicd
[19:53] <BluesKaj> makara, and , no luck configuring?
[19:54] <Pretto> does anyone got [invalid utf-8] in the user menu?
[19:55] <Pretto> something like this http://t.co/cn93ou7
[19:56] <htorque> Pretto: yes, known bug
[19:56] <Pretto> htorque: that weird white square too?
[19:57] <htorque> bug 811852
[19:57] <makara> BluesKaj: none. something I haven't tried yet is a firmware upgrade
[19:57] <htorque> i see no white square: "@Pretto's Tweets are protected." ;)
[19:57] <makara> so i do that now if i can
[19:58] <Pretto> htorque: http://p.twimg.com/AXttstZCEAI-A8t.png
[19:58] <htorque> oh, whoops - i thought you're talking about the lightdm greeter - no, i don't get that stuff in the actual session
[20:00] <Pretto> htorque: it's a greeter bug or unity-panel?
[20:01] <htorque> sorry, no idea - if it's in the session it's not a greeter bug i guess :)
[20:01] <makara> any idea how to check the existing firmware version from the file /lib/firmware/htc_9271.fw ?
[20:01] <Pretto> it covers left icons as nm-applet
[20:02] <makara> the latest I can find is mid-may http://wireless.kernel.org/download/htc_fw/1.3/
[20:03] <bil21al> can any one help me i have an error while upgrading i m not understanding it can u help??
[20:03] <jtaylor> bil21al: please post the error (e.g. in a pastebin)
[20:03] <bil21al> Your system does not contain a ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop or edubuntu-desktop package and it was not possible to detect which version of Ubuntu you are running.
[20:03] <bil21al>  Please install one of the packages above first using synaptic or apt-get before proceeding.
[20:03] <makara> if I place a previous version in /lib/firmware/, will it revert, or just ignore the older fw file?
[20:04] <bil21al> Your system does not contain a ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop or edubuntu-desktop package and it was not possible to detect which version of Ubuntu you are running.
[20:04] <bil21al>  Please install one of the packages above first using synaptic or apt-get before proceeding. this is the error jtaylor
[20:04] <jtaylor> hm you apparently did an unsafe dist-upgrade which removed your main meta package :)
[20:04] <jtaylor> what kind of desktop are you using?
[20:05] <jtaylor> regular ubuntu, xubuntu etc?
[20:05] <bil21al> regular ubuntu  32 bit
[20:05] <jtaylor> open a terminal and do: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[20:06] <jtaylor> when upgrading development release take care you don't remove important packages like ubuntu-desktop, this can happen often due to archive being not totally up to date
[20:06] <kyubutsu> !pastebin > jtaylor
[20:08] <jtaylor> kyubutsu: ? I know about pastebin
[20:08] <bil21al> jtaylor : it run now what to do
[20:08] <bil21al> ??
[20:09] <kyubutsu> ah, i see
[20:09] <jtaylor> now the error you had before should be gone
[20:09] <bil21al> ok thank you sir jtaylor:
[20:27] <makara> where I'm up to with the wifi direct probe issue: I see a
[20:28] <makara> action on http://wireless.kernel.org/ page around the artheros chip. anything changing is bad news already
[20:38] <BUGabundo> evening terraceos
[20:41] <Ian_Corne> so much screen corruption..
[20:42] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: I'm seeing you on my stream now
[20:42] <BUGabundo> you don't even have me circled lol
[20:42] <Ian_Corne> i do
[20:42] <BUGabundo> humm
[20:48] <BUGabundo> we are in which alpha/beta?
[20:48] <BUGabundo> I lost track
[20:48] <BUGabundo> A3?
[20:48] <Pici> The last alpha, whichever that is.
[20:48] <BUGabundo> according to /topic, it is
[20:48] <Ian_Corne> A3
[20:48] <Ian_Corne> !schedule
[20:48] <BUGabundo> I just read /topic
[20:48] <BUGabundo> its faster
[20:49] <BUGabundo> a friend was saying he was upgrading to Beta
[20:49] <BUGabundo> caught me of surprise
[20:50] <Pici> Beta freeze is today iirc.
[20:52] <BUGabundo> AH
[20:56] <zniavre> good evening
[20:56] <zniavre> where should be theme for UI with the new appearence chooser ? into usr/share/themes ?
[21:21] <bil21al> i have just update and unity is not starting up
[21:21] <bil21al> ?
[21:21] <bil21al> what to do
[21:21] <bil21al> ?
[21:21] <Ian_Corne> it's gone
[21:21] <Ian_Corne> if you did dist-upgrade
[21:21] <bil21al> i have dist upgrade
[21:21] <bil21al> with terminal
[21:21] <Ian_Corne> yes
[21:21] <Ian_Corne> and did you not notice
[21:22] <Ian_Corne> oh it's back now
[21:22] <Ian_Corne> the package got fixed :)
[21:22] <Ian_Corne> what is not starting bil21al ?
[21:22] <bil21al> now what i do?
[21:22] <bil21al> unity
[21:22] <Ian_Corne> do you get a desktop?
[21:22] <bil21al> i m using gnome now
[21:22] <bil21al> yes
[21:22] <bil21al> i get destop
[21:23] <bil21al> but no launcher and indicator sesion
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> yes ok
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> go to unity
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> load it
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> then go to a tty
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> log in
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> write "export DISPLAY=:0.0"
[21:24] <Ian_Corne> then apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[21:24] <Ian_Corne> then run ccsm
[21:24] <Ian_Corne> and go back to tty7/8 where your x is running
[21:24] <Ian_Corne> and enable the unity plugin
[21:24] <bil21al> what is tty explain
[21:24] <bil21al> ?
[21:25] <Ian_Corne> ctrl alt f1
[21:25] <Saviq> hmm what's "Ubuntu desktop USB"?
[21:43] <bil21al> Ian_corne: export display=:0.0" do nothing and i run apt get  instal compiz seting  some thing instal now tel me what i do now?//?
[21:44] <Ian_Corne> now type in
[21:44] <Ian_Corne> ccsm
[21:44] <Ian_Corne> and it will start in your halfstarted unity session
[21:44] <Ian_Corne> I don't know why people who don't even know what a tty is bother with alphas but ok
[21:45] <bil21al> i dont use ccsm it is not installed now?
[21:45] <Ian_Corne> wha?
[21:45] <Ian_Corne> if you did exactly what I said and typed in ccsm in the tty, it should now run in your unity session
[21:47] <bil21al> ok i again folow ur previous steps
[22:02] <RRRRube> I use Firefox as my default browser, yet every now & then Apport will open Chromium to submit a bug report to Launchpad. Does anyone else get this, or is there a setting I can change?
[22:11] <Daekdroom> Is anyone else's session indicator displaying [Invalid UTF-8]
[22:11] <Vanillalite> Mine is Daekdroom I flagged it as a bug on launchpad
[22:11] <Daekdroom> Which bug #?
[22:12] <Daekdroom> RRRRube, you should change the default browser
[22:12] <RRRRube> Firefox is already set as my default browser.
[22:12] <Vanillalite> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/834137
[22:13] <Vanillalite> I'm using the dev version of chrome (chrome NOT chromium) and it's telling me flash isn't installed.... any ideas?
[22:17] <RRRRube> Well, it seems I'm talking rubbish. After a bit of googling, I found a way to update preferences from the command line, and Chromium was set for "auto mode" (which I think made it the default). I hate it when apps take over your preferences without asking!
[22:30] <Onlyodin> I just applied updates and rebooted, now the panel says "[Invalid UTF-8]" where it would normally say my username
[22:31] <Daekdroom> Onlyodin, it's been reported as bug #834137
[22:31] <Onlyodin> cheers
[22:32] <Ian_Corne> does anyone here know what that "online accounts" thingy does?
[22:33] <Onlyodin> It's for messaging accounts isn't it?
[22:33] <Ian_Corne> i added my gmail :p
[22:33] <Ian_Corne> but i don't notice anything
[22:33] <Onlyodin> hmm
[22:33] <Onlyodin> doesn't look like there's anything except google
[22:34] <Onlyodin> perhaps it's meant to auto-login to google websites?
[22:34] <Ian_Corne> and thunderbird doesn't import those settings
[22:34] <Ian_Corne> there's switches to turn on and off: "mail" "Calendar" "Contacts" "Chat"
[22:35] <Ian_Corne> but i have no idea what it actually does..
[22:35] <Onlyodin> maybe it's just a placeholder for upcoming features :)
[22:37] <Onlyodin> When I resize gnome-terminal windows I used to see the dimensions of the window as it resized (cols x rows).  This no longer appears - is there a way to re-enable this, or is it more likely a bug?
[22:39] <Ian_Corne> it looks cool, if it would integrate my contacts with the ones stored on the computer
[22:40] <Ian_Corne> and everything else
[22:51] <wwooops> hey, has anyone gotten 11.10 to install in VBox 4.1?
[22:51] <wwooops> under a Linux host
[22:51] <Ian_Corne> not tried it sorry
[22:53] <wwooops> bummer
[22:54] <wwooops> bbl
[23:06] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, i switched to the chromium stable ppa and the result is a lot less ram usage and other bugs are gone
[23:07] <BUGabundo> meh
[23:07] <bjsnider> i've had chromium on all day without any more ram than when it started
[23:07] <BUGabundo> should I just switch to ubuntu LTS too ? :P
[23:07] <bjsnider> oh come on
[23:07] <BUGabundo> its using 1.2GBs of ram
[23:07] <BUGabundo> for ONE tab
[23:07] <BUGabundo> amazing
[23:07] <bjsnider> it's still a fairly cutting edge version, the number is 13.0.782.215
[23:08] <BUGabundo> Chromium
[23:08] <BUGabundo> 2,287,644k	449,973k
[23:09] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: just poking your buttons
[23:09] <bjsnider> none of the chromium processes here are using more than 70mb
[23:10] <BUGabundo> 30665	
[23:10] <BUGabundo> Browser
[23:10] <BUGabundo> 113,396k	119,512k
[23:10] <BUGabundo> 1079	
[23:10] <BUGabundo> Plug-in
[23:10] <BUGabundo> Shockwave Flash
[23:10] <BUGabundo> 266,032k	278,548k
[23:10] <bjsnider> i don't think there's any care taken in building the dailies at all, i think they're just thrown into the build system
[23:11] <Ian_Corne> yeah
[23:11] <Ian_Corne> I think it'd be far more useful if you test the beta releases instead of the dev
[23:11] <bjsnider> right, there is a beta channel too
[23:12] <bjsnider> i chose the stable channel because the daily build was so unusable
[23:12] <BUGabundo> how fun would that be?
[23:12] <urlin2u> bjsnider, the dailies are just the OS with the updates up to date at that time.
[23:12] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, you are constantly complaining about it
[23:12] <BUGabundo> I'll downgrade
[23:12] <BUGabundo> and see
[23:12] <bjsnider> urlin2u, i'm talking about chromium-browser
[23:13] <urlin2u> ah
[23:13] <bjsnider> those dailies are created by a bot. there is no care taken to make them stable or useful
[23:16] <Ian_Corne> i ran them a while too, because i loved being on the real edge
[23:16] <Ian_Corne> but i fell off to often :p
[23:16] <Onlyodin> When I resize gnome-terminal windows I used to see the dimensions of the window as it resized (cols x rows).  This no longer appears - is there a way to re-enable this, or is it more likely a bug? Should I Report it as a bug?
[23:16] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, you'll get a warning about your user profile being from a newer version. you need to go to ~/.config/chromium and remove the Default/Web Data file
[23:17] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:17] <Ian_Corne> i think that was a compiz feature Onlyodin
[23:17] <Ian_Corne> try going through ccsm
[23:17] <Onlyodin> ah ok
[23:18] <BUGabundo> WOW
[23:19] <BUGabundo> trip to the past
[23:19] <Ian_Corne> :D
[23:21] <theangryaussiete> I just read the article about the features of Oneiric Ocelot here: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/08/visual-rundown-oneiric-update-11-10-unity-software-centre-icon/ and wanted to give it a shot. Which build has these new features as shown in the article? The Daily or the Alpha 3?
[23:25] <ali1234> theangryaussiete: my install is newer than the alpha 3 and it doesn't look like that yet
[23:25] <ali1234> just running an update now and i will let you know
[23:26] <theangryaussiete> ali1234: Okay, take your time.
[23:26] <ali1234> my install was only updated a couple of days ago
[23:26] <ali1234> anyway it doesn't matter what you install from, you get all the same thing through updates in the end
[23:27] <ali1234> assuming the update actually works
[23:27] <Ian_Corne> theangryaussiete: do you know what you're getting intO?
[23:27] <Ian_Corne> have you used ttys?
[23:28] <theangryaussiete> Ian_Corne: Yes. Thanks for the unnecessary question.
[23:29] <Ian_Corne> Your welcome
[23:29] <Ian_Corne> gl
[23:29] <Ian_Corne> we never ever have beginners here that don't knwo what they're doing, never, my question was stupid!
[23:30] <ali1234> ok fully up to date now. it looks nothing like those screenshots
[23:30] <theangryaussiete> Ian_Corne: I see nothing wrong with trying to test out an alpha of Ubuntu.
[23:30] <Onlyodin> bah, unity just crashed altogether
[23:31] <urlin2u> Ian_Corne, found a new user running natty here last night
[23:31] <Daekdroom> Natty is not +1 currently.
[23:31] <Daekdroom> There'd be nothing wrong with that, therefore.
[23:31] <ali1234> "you only need the buttons when your mouse is in their vicinity anyway."
[23:31] <Daekdroom> Unless you meant Oneiric
[23:31] <ali1234> FUUUUUU
[23:31] <Ian_Corne> theangryaussiete: there is no harm in warning people that might not know what they're getting themselves into. I just asked, no need to feel attacked by a normal question.
[23:31] <ali1234> let's hide everything outside a 1" radius outside the mouse pointer
[23:32] <bjsnider> theangryaussiete, then you need to spend more time in this channel and read all of the complaints that have no answers
[23:32] <Daekdroom> ali1234, yeah. I disliked the hidden buttons. It feels like it takes longer to click them.
[23:32] <Daekdroom> (and it probably does)
[23:32] <Ian_Corne> well, i guess you're angry, so that might explain your reaction to my question :°
[23:32] <Ian_Corne> :)*
[23:33] <urlin2u> Daekdroom, yeah that was my point a new user wrong channel
[23:33] <Daekdroom> How does that work on touchscreen tablets anyway?
[23:33] <ali1234> Daekdroom: it doesn't.
[23:33] <ali1234> but neither does global menus
[23:33] <ali1234> anyway fully updated, and i don't have any of those new things
[23:33] <Daekdroom> Have you restarted Unity?
[23:34] <ali1234> i rebooted the whole machine
[23:34] <Daekdroom> You might be using a mirror that is not synced yet.
[23:34] <ali1234> probably
[23:34] <Ian_Corne> what new things are you referring to ali1234 ?
[23:34] <bjsnider> whatever's in that article
[23:34] <ali1234> Ian_Corne: the things in the omgubuntu blog post that was just linked ^
[23:35] <ali1234> new software centre, some new icons
[23:35] <Ian_Corne> i've got the new sc
[23:35] <Ian_Corne> but no icon
[23:35] <ali1234> new transparent dash
[23:35] <ali1234> and i dunno what that thing at the bottom is
[23:35] <Daekdroom> That new transparent has been there for quite awhile, hasn't it?
[23:36] <ali1234> and are those the new wallpapers?
[23:36] <Daekdroom> *transparent Dash
[23:36] <ali1234> if so, i guess purple didn't work out so good and they're going back to orange?
[23:36] <Ian_Corne> theangryaussiete: http://ian.rave.org/~icorne/screenshot.png
[23:37] <ali1234> nice. what video card?
[23:37] <BUGabundo> Chromium
[23:38] <BUGabundo> 1,081,172k	325,070k
[23:38] <ali1234> wait, let me guess. ATI?
[23:38] <Ian_Corne> ali1234: 6950
[23:38] <BUGabundo> still using a bunch
[23:38] <Ian_Corne> :D
[23:38] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: rogue extension?
[23:38] <Ian_Corne> ali1234: and gallium driver
[23:38] <valorin> Anyone having trouble getting Unity to start?
[23:38] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, is this the beta channel or stable?
[23:39] <Ian_Corne> btw they're running unity2D ali1234
[23:39] <Ian_Corne> maybe that's why we don't see the same?
[23:39] <ali1234> omg?
[23:39] <ali1234> maybe
[23:39] <Ian_Corne> you can tell by the dash button
[23:39] <Ian_Corne> 2d has a black logo
[23:39] <ali1234> i don't have the new SC either though, or the wallpapers assuming they are new
[23:39] <ali1234> yes i am running 3d
[23:41] <ali1234> i still have the nasty purple wallpaper
[23:41] <ali1234> most likely the UK mirror lags
[23:42] <valorin> At least you guys have a working Unity, after the last big upgrade mine broke... and since the installer is busted too, I can't reinstall...
[23:42] <Ian_Corne> $ uptime 01:42:36 up  2:50
[23:42] <Ian_Corne> i recently rebooted
[23:42] <Ian_Corne> and it's still working
[23:42] <ali1234> unity never works
[23:43] <ali1234> even when it is working, it is still broken
[23:43] <Ian_Corne> i like it, it's ok
[23:43] <Ian_Corne> but it could be better
[23:43] <ali1234> i would like it more if the bugs were fixed instead of constantly rearranging everything in more annoying ways
[23:43] <valorin> I like Unity. It works for me and I think it looks great.
[23:43] <bjsnider> you could say that about just about everything except maybe the mona lisa
[23:44] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: beta
[23:44] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: what does the chromium task manager say?
[23:44] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, well, maybe it's a lot closer to the dailies. i'm not having any of those issues with the stable version
[23:44] <ali1234> oo, a bug was fixed
[23:45] <BUGabundo> uplaoding
[23:45] <BUGabundo> I need more upload damn
[23:46] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/112892/Screenshot%2520at%25202011-08-26%252000%253A45%253A10.png
[23:47] <Ian_Corne> 404
[23:47] <BUGabundo> still uploading
[23:47] <BUGabundo> wow
[23:47] <BUGabundo> gmail tab alone is using 500MBs
[23:51] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, maybe valgrind could find the memory leak
[23:51] <BUGabundo> tried that already
[23:51] <BUGabundo> found another bug that has then scratching their heads for two weeks
[23:51] <BUGabundo> the problem is
[23:52] <BUGabundo> to run valgrind you have to do single-process flag
[23:52] <BUGabundo> and that disables a lot of extensions
[23:53] <penguin42> BUGabundo: What about the chrome developer tools ?
[23:54] <BUGabundo> hum?
[23:54] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Click on the spanner->Tools->Developer tools, select Profiles