[00:02] nite [00:02] gn! [00:13] anyone with dual monitor setup here, with different screen resolutions? [00:14] Ian_Corne, not me,, dual with same res [00:15] i think/hope alot has to do with udev crapping out like it's doing [00:16] hmm coz_ [00:16] could you try putting one screen on a smaller resolution? [00:17] Ian_Corne, sure but at this point I dont have 11.10 installed so its likely not going to help,, I am going to install this weekend ,, sorry [00:17] ah [00:17] well it didn't work for me on 11.04 either :p [00:17] something about virtual resolutions [00:17] Ian_Corne, oh! [00:17] Ian_Corne, let me try here [00:17] but i was on fglrx then, opensource drivers now [00:18] Ian_Corne, oh I have nvidia [00:18] Ian_Corne, and the smaller res on the secondary monitor,, although too big ,, is fine [00:18] opensource drivers or the blob? [00:18] blob probably? [00:18] the blob [00:18] meh doesn't matter, they're diffrent from what i'm using anyways [00:18] yeah sorry [00:19] haha, np [00:19] I'll ask again tomorow, when there's people awake :) [00:19] :) [00:19] Ian_Corne, I have had very very little expeirnece with ati [00:20] Ian_Corne, although nourveau on fedora dual screen worked really well ,, [00:21] yeah, i've had a dual monitor setup on another box for 4 years, worked great, but they were the same size [00:21] and it used the nvidia-settings [00:21] although I hit the bug with nouveau with compiz when the video ram filled and things got weird [00:21] aha [00:21] how did you knwo the ram was full? [00:21] I've got 2GB on this card so I should be fine for a while :p [00:22] Ian_Corne, smspillaz was talking about the bug as it happened to me,, I described and he verified it lol a lot of good that did :) [00:22] apparenlty its too much for nouveau + compiz + dual monitors [00:23] Ian_Corne, things slowed down to a very slow crawl and video distortion if I tried opening or closing anything [00:23] oh, i've been getting screen artifacts on both nvidia and fglrx and gallium :p [00:24] Ian_Corne, ooo what fun... yes :) [00:29] on my laptop, when it comes back i have to unity --replace & exit in a terminal to get it back upto anythign i can see through :p [00:44] weird... wmi events seem to be generated in the future? [00:45] :D [00:45] ntpdate ? [00:45] er, wrong tab [00:45] considering 'w' is short for 'windows'. [01:23] got the compiz ppa also running on my laptop now [01:23] lets see if suspend behaves nicely now [01:25] it doesn't [01:54] hi [02:52] which package provides mono csc or al? [05:32] Hey all. Are users reporting problems with flash in +1? Mine has been shot for a few days now. [05:32] 64 bit? [05:32] yup [05:32] yes others report this, the sevenmachines ppa has a package . [05:33] I'll check it out. Thanks urlin2u! [05:33] obviousTroll2, no problem [05:39] When I set the boot resolution in the grub file, my boot screen is entirely black until the login screen. Help! [05:42] Peddy, which grub file /etc/default/grub and what reolution [05:42] resolution [05:42] urlin2u, /etc/default/grub and 1680x1050 [05:43] Peddy, is it the only OS on the computer? [05:43] urlin2u, it's not, I have several other kernels and distributions, as well as Windows. But the grub was installed from this one. [05:44] Peddy, have you tried smaller resolutions and the original? [05:45] urlin2u, I have not - do you suggest I set another resolution, or remove those lines entirely? [05:45] I would try the original [05:47] mine says this #GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480 not even being used [05:47] okay I will try that and report back - thanks for your help! [05:47] no problem read thoise four line it may be card realated [05:48] it's always worked, I think upgrading to the 3.0.0-9 kernel is the problem. [05:48] Peddy, I think t is the upgrade of stuff I know nothing about, lol [06:14] [GNOME 3] What document descibes the function of the "Guest Account"? [06:27] suuuuuuup [06:28] bullgard4: basically the Guest account is so you can let someone else use your pc with a default GUI and without them having access to sudo [06:28] so, they won't be able to install/remove anything [06:32] IdleOne: All settings that the guest has made are lost after the computer is rebooted? I found a line in /etc/passwd that includes :/tmp/guest-Tyohdf: . [06:34] bullgard4: I am not certain about the settings being reset [06:35] IdleOne: Thank you for your help. [06:40] is gnome classic still in oneiric? [06:47] vega__: no [06:50] crap.. [06:51] just tested unity on natty and support for multiple screens seems to be .. well, not really polished [06:58] IdleOne, any idea how i can add an http link to the unity launcher? [06:58] ie sabnzbplus [06:58] hmm nope [06:58] I think it has something to do with .desktop file [06:58] notice the . [07:19] vega__: My advice: Get a free partition and install Ubuntu 11.10 on it. Then select GNOME 3. GNOME 3 will be the future. [07:28] hey guys! do you know if there's a built-in short version for 'bzr version-info'? [07:32] There's something wrong with the new effects in Cheese 3.0. They have a magenta overlay -- it's as if the other colors haven't been implemented. But here's the catch: within the effects panel, _and_ the actual picture taken, it's fine. It's just the live video that has the bug. [07:33] Could someone point me in the right direction? [07:37] if I install Ocelot Alpha, will the automatic updates bring it up to the full release in October, or will I have to download that CD again? [07:37] Hi [07:38] makara: yes it will get you to final release [07:38] How can I change the font size in Oneiric? Defaults are huge... [07:38] gnome-tweak-tool ? [07:42] nocturn: also see System Settings>Universal Access [07:43] !beta [07:43] If you install a development version of Ubuntu Oneiric and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 11.10 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a terminal. [07:44] !alpha [07:45] jbicha, what about that? [07:46] makara: same applies for alpha [07:46] alpha will go to beta and beta to final [07:46] ok [07:46] sometimes we don't even get a beta [07:46] good news [07:46] last cycle it was all alpha's iirc [07:52] no, there's always a beta [07:52] 1Universal access works, but font smoothing is lost, tweak tool did it for everything but window titles [07:53] * nocturn will try logout-login [08:40] Hello! [08:40] I just installed Win7 x64 and then Ubuntu 11.10 alpha3 (oneric), but there is no boot selection being displayed. The system boots straight into Win7. I also tried to use EasyBCD as described in the official wiki, but that starts a "grub4dos" with / being the Windows partition. [08:41] How do I properly setup a dual boot system with Win7 x64 and Ubuntu 11.10 x86-64? [08:41] i just installed ubuntu 11.04 in my win7 laptop on a seperate partition [08:41] but after they completed the installation and asked to reboot [08:41] im not able to view the boot options [08:42] Haha, same issue here... Yours also boots straight into Win7? [08:42] can someone help me [08:42] yes devurandom [08:42] does it somehow depend on the hardware? [08:43] I just asked about the very same problem... [08:43] or is it something with win7 [08:43] im rather new in this linux thing [08:43] what is this easybcd thing youve mentioned above [08:44] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot#Master Boot Record and Boot Manager [08:44] doesnt work for me though. [08:45] ive tried the 11.04 version [08:46] is there no one else out here who could help? [08:47] patience [08:47] irc is not realtime ;) [08:47] oh [08:47] but then how come we are able to talk in realtime? [08:48] Well, it is mostly not used in a realtime way. You just ask your questions and wait for someone to answer. This might take from several minutes to some hours, depending on how complex the problem is and how many experienced people are around. [08:48] rockthegod, have you switched the HD's in the bios to see if grub is in that one? [08:49] iv ejust got the one HD [08:49] rockthegod, you ran sudo update-grub [08:50] same here, it is a laptop which is uefi capable but supports some sort of fallback to legacy bios (thinkpad x121e) [08:50] could you please translate that... [08:50] rockthegod do you have a separate /boot partition? [08:50] im an amateur [08:50] yep [08:50] rockthegod, open a terminal and run sudo update-grub [08:50] in ubuntu [08:50] i installed it in a seperate partition [08:50] im running windows now [08:50] ok [08:51] cannot goto ubuntu [08:51] rockthegod, was this a wubi install [08:51] so when it boots you see no boot options and it boots straight to windows? [08:51] yeah [08:51] urlin2u: My install was a regular one, same issue here. [08:51] what is a wubi install? [08:52] no boot options and staright to windows [08:52] wubi is where you install within windows [08:52] no [08:52] rockthegod, here is ascript you should both run and pastebin the results text. sudo update-grub [08:52] like a windows application [08:52] i installed from a cd [08:52] ok [08:52] http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/ [08:52] let me get the repair steps [08:53] I would run the script it is a diagnostic tool [08:53] Feldegast: Exactly. I also tried that EasyBCD tool Ubuntu recommends, but that does not help anything. It starts something that calls itself "grub4dos" which only presents a commandline and uses C:\ as root. [08:53] so i just download this script and run it right? [08:53] the method i use is using the install cd [08:54] rockthegod, in your case on a live ubuntu cd, needs to run in linux [08:54] Feldegast: Is there a dedicated install cd or do you mean the regular desktop/live cd, just using the "install ubuntu" option? [08:54] might just need grub in the mbr, or purged and reloaded [08:55] Hm, I can try to make the firmware emulate bios only, without exporting the ef interface. Maybe that helps. [08:55] EFI does not use the MBR at all, does it? [08:57] devurandom the regular live cd [08:58] darn, disabling the efi-nterface does not help a bit. [08:58] yes, all you have to do is re-install grub to the mbr after mounting the /boot partition [08:58] efi uses mbr [08:58] oh, what for? [08:59] mbr is on the hdd, and it is run by efi just like bios runs it [08:59] efi is just an extended bios [09:00] Ah, I thought efi runs the efi boot menu from the boot partition [09:00] i.e. without going via any mbr, but directly jumping into that partition [09:00] if it does, the efi boot menu would be in the mbr [09:01] or a pointer to it would be in the mbr [09:01] k, I thought that ptr was in the flash memory [09:02] http://linuxforums.org.uk/ubuntu/reinstalling-grub-1-99-in-ubuntu-11-04-from-livecd-command-change/ [09:02] that's how you do it [09:02] BUT [09:02] you also have to mount the /boot partion if it is separate [09:03] into.... [09:03] sudo mount /dev/sdXY /mnt/boot [09:05] To reinstall GRUB, just use the following graphical tool : Boot-Repair. [09:05] Boot-repair can be used either from a live-CD or from a normal session. [09:05] is another option [09:06] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD [09:08] meep, does not work (tm) [09:08] devurandom, you have gpt partitons [09:08] ? [09:08] possible [09:08] Does windows support that? [09:09] exclusively [09:09] so do others though [09:09] devurandom, you running natty? [09:09] I am trying to get Oneric to work [09:10] devurandom, you brave soul you, how much experience do you have in open source? [09:11] depends on the definition of "work". :) [09:11] Lynoure, hey. ;-) [09:12] urlin2u: Been switching from SuSE 8 to Gentoo 1.4 at some time, if that gives you the idea. [09:12] devurandom, cool you could understand that bootscript I would run it [09:18] urlin2u: That script has a problem, because the awk on the livecd has no "math support ... compiled in" [09:18] did you run it [09:19] yes, that is how I figured out it has that problem [09:20] pastebin what it says this script is used all the time from live ubuntu cd, 1000's of times, all over the ubuntu forum and the bot knows what it is. [09:20] urlin2u: sda seems to use msdos labels according to parted. I think then it does not use gpt, does it? [09:20] on the #ubuntu channel all day and night [09:20] Might be, but there are error messages in RESULTS.txt [09:21] no it wont read gpt correctly thats why I was cut=rious as that was not confirmed. [09:21] mbr partitioning is whats its for. [09:22] darn, y=to bad I would wipe that gpt if it was me [09:24] http://pastebin.ca/2078293 [09:28] your missing this in sda5 /boot/grub/core.img, and MS is in the mbr. you running easybcd always [09:29] How did you detect that? [09:29] And I am missing what in sda5? [09:29] I have spent alot of time in this area, and have scripts from my own computer to compare [09:30] /boot/grub/core.img [09:30] sda5 shoud be this /boot/grub/grub.cfg /etc/fstab /boot/grub/core.img [09:31] yours /boot/grub/grub.cfg /etc/fstab [09:31] The previous paste might have been wrong. This is one being chrooted into the oneric partition: http://pastebin.ca/2078294 [09:32] And "MS is in the MBR"? "You are running easybcd always"? Where did you see that? I'd simply like to learn. [09:33] urlin2u: I have "core.efi" in /boot/grub [09:33] first text line Windows is installed in the MBR of /dev/sda. you mentioned easybcd is all [09:33] Ah, kk [09:33] in sdb1 am I right [09:34] the efi [09:34] sdb1 is the stick that booted the live system. [09:34] core.efi is in sda5 [09:36] I wondered if sdb1 was a boot stick, I haven't seen what is normally in a efi,boot so I could be wrong but all the normal Ubuntu boot files are in sda5 minus the ones I mention [09:38] to be honest the partitions are all normal, it looks like a standard mbr type setup, as far as the partitions go [09:38] Hm, so how do I get grub into the mbr? [09:38] the link earlier is correct https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD [09:39] the anchor of the link you gave is dead. Is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling GRUB2 correct? [09:40] here is the easy default no chroot but you may have to go to the third option and chroot in and purge and reinstall grub-pc grub-common https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Copy%20LiveCD%20Files [09:41] that defaults to the live cd reload of grub without the chroot, the chroot is farther down 3rd option [09:42] more fun then you should be allowed to have huh. ;-) [09:43] I ran grub-install several times now and your script still claims Windows is installed in the MBR... [09:45] Darn, this is annoying. [09:45] devurandom, grub install from where [09:45] Within chroot [09:46] Can install from the live environment because it says /dev would be missing... [09:46] sudo grub-install /dev/sda [09:46] The exact command I am running since half an hour. [09:47] you in chroot from the live cd? [09:47] yes, from livecd into installed oneiric [09:47] --force does not change a bit. [09:48] your missing that grub image i would purge grub-pc and grub-common the reinstall them [09:49] then [09:50] in the reinstall of the grub set it asks you where you want grub in sda of course [09:51] if you do that the space key tick the sda choice [09:54] good morning [09:55] im using gnome-panel session (fallback) does indicators will works with new gnome-panel or no ? [09:56] devurandom, here is a excellent link for what your doing as well. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1581099 [09:59] Thats basically what I am doing. [10:00] I'll try this reinstall thingy once, maybe that helps [10:03] zniavre_: indicators have not been ported to the new gnome-panel yet, it still might happen before final release though [10:04] jbicha, that will be nice :o) thank you answering [10:04] zniavre_: you can follow bug 724369 if you want updates on it [10:04] Launchpad bug 724369 in indicator-applet (Ubuntu) "Port to gnome-panel 3 and gtk 3" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724369 [10:08] jbicha, thank you (bis) [10:09] I think the issue might be grub-efi being installed while I cannot boot anything when selecting "uefi only" in the firmware. [10:11] Which in turn might be the reason your "reinstall grub-pc" trick works. [10:11] Havent tested so far, though. Atm I am pulling in about 500 updates... [10:13] Does anyone have Skype working on Oneiric 64-bit? [10:13] There seem to be missing ia32 libs... [10:14] Hm, efi needs a boot partition, right? And grub2 probably does not support the boot partition win7 created... And it is not even a real efi partition it seems. /efi is missing. [10:14] I'm gonna crash, but if you still have not got is=t going the ubuntu forums have some great help there that is where I learned all of this at. [10:16] Thanks for trying though. :) [10:16] no problem [10:20] devurandom, are you trying to use efi or mbr? [10:21] My laptop supports "uefi" and "legacy". I am just trying to get it to boot Ubuntu and Win7, whatever I will end up with. [10:21] gpt partitions? [10:21] Atm it seems the grub I installed was the efi one, but the firmware was not able to start it. [10:22] lenios: I am not sure. parted says "msdos", but maybe that is just the legacy support kicking in. [10:22] lenios: How would I figure out for sure? [10:22] i thought (g)parted had good support for gpt [10:24] just tried gparted. also says partiton-table=msdos [10:24] Can I install gpt in addition to msdos labels? [10:24] And do I need it for eif? [10:24] efi [10:24] parted -l /dev/sda should say Partition Table: gpt [10:25] gpt + msdos is called hybrid [10:25] no, says msdos [10:25] then you have msdos [10:25] Do I need gpt to get it to work? [10:25] i'm not sure about that [10:26] And in that case I also need an efi boot partition, right? [10:26] that case = i use efi [10:26] Since atm no such thing seems to exist. [10:26] is there a reference for your firmware? [10:26] define "reference" please. [10:28] something to help me find doc about it [10:29] It is a thinkpad x121e model 3051-5QG [10:30] maybe I messed up when I installed windows. Maybe partitioning it manually made it decide not to use efi... :( [10:31] And then maybe it decide to not use gpt either, and create no efi boot partition and so on... [10:32] if repartitioning is possible, i would try to reformat the disk from gparted, specifying gpt partition table [10:33] Yep, sounds like a good idea. I'll also get another usb stick first, so I can have a windows and ubuntu installation medium available at the same time, in case I need to reinstall yet again. [10:35] not sure, but "(EFI does not support booting from disks with MSDOS partition table!)" from http://www.novell.com/support/documentLink.do?externalID=7003263 [10:36] Dang, now that I installed grub for bioses win7 does not start anymore. Saying something about a broken bcd file... [10:36] oh, i know how to fix that [10:37] had bad experience with that, but fix is actually simple if you have the windows cdrom [10:37] boot on the install cd, and click on repair on the bottom left [10:38] hehe, I had to overwrite the windows boot stuff with the ubuntu stuff, because I have only one usb stick. [10:39] wasn't windows on gpt partition table? [10:39] s/boot/install/ [10:39] the usb stick I used for installation. I had to overwrite it. [10:41] but the computer's hard drive should be shipped with gpt [10:41] I think windows wanted to format everything. I think everything was entirely empty when I received it. [10:41] The laptop is shipped without any os. [10:44] i can't help you with windows, but if you want to dual boot, you probably first need to get windows to work with gpt, get the correct partitions with gparted, and then install ubuntu (try not to install grub on the drive) [10:47] "try not to install grub"? Because ubuntu does this automatically, or why? [10:48] Or do you mean "try not to install the bios / non-efi variant of grub"? [10:48] @lenios [10:52] i mean do not install grub on mbr [10:52] Too late. Can I clear it still? [10:53] is it an efi aware grub? [10:54] I now installed grub-pc, replacing the grub-efi that was installed earlier [10:58] grub-pc has support for gpt partition tables [10:59] ok, heading for the store then, getting usb sticks [11:14] And thanks a lot lenios! [11:50] Hi, I'm about to install oneiric, is the daily build installable or should I use the alpha 3 cd? [12:22] alkisg: I've had some success with daily builds recently, not tried today though [12:22] alkisg: the last daily I installed was 4-5 days ago [12:26] drussell: thank you - burning alpha 3 then.... :) [12:26] Ah you meant that you didn't try, not that they failed [12:26] Sorry, non-native english speaker, had to read that twice :) [12:27] OK, burning the daily build [12:29] alkisg: today's daily build might have trouble with bug 831812 [12:29] Launchpad bug 831812 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "ubiquity fails to start when called with '--desktop %k' and libglibmm-2.4-1c2a 2.29.11-0ubuntu1" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831812 [12:29] jbicha: thanks - I'll run it without --desktop [12:30] Hmm my lucid usb-creator doesn't like the oneiric .iso image though... [12:31] Do I need a newer usb creator for that? [12:31] yeh I think so [12:31] Ty, looking for some ppa... [12:31] try unetbootin [12:31] alkisg: There should be one in the lucid-updates I think [12:31] unetbootin is great [12:32] I never use the ubuntu one anymore, always unetbootin :p [12:38] Thanks, I installed the natty usb-creator package [12:39] yofel: The nautilus is started from ksmserverrc - not found a safe way to edit out yet (just filed a bug that there isn't a way to edit it...) [12:39] * alkisg prefers using the stock tools provided by Ubuntu, when they actually work, that is [12:53] does anybody know what migration from update-manager -d actually do except changing sources.list and updating packages? [12:59] lenios: doing -d should take care of sources [12:59] and wil run the entire upgrade [13:00] i mean, what's different from sed s/natty/oneiric/g /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade [13:02] (that shoud actually be sed -i, but whatever) [13:04] lenios: not much except for the stuff in DistUpgradeQuirks.py that will automatically work around known issues that are put into the ReleaseNotes usually [13:04] lenios: plus it will ensure that you have ubuntu-dekstop (or kubuntu, or whatever) after the upgrade and do a bit more cleanup [13:05] i see [13:05] but generally speaking its fine to use apt-get (if you familiar with the tool and pay attention to the output etc) [13:08] there's also do-release-upgrade command [13:09] "This is the preferred command if the machine has no graphic environment or if the machine is to be upgraded over a remote connection." [13:10] can you use a local mirror with do-release-upgrade? === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh [13:11] Meh, the ubiquity window doesn't fit in my 1024x600 netbook screen, if I didn't know to hold down Alt to move windows I wouldn't be able to proceed with the installation [13:12] lenios: don't know, someone seem to have succeeded: http://blog.troyastle.com/2010/10/upgrading-from-lucid-to-maverick-using.html [13:18] Hey, when I enable the proprietary graphics drivers with the additional drivers tool it instructs me to reboot, so I do. When I boot back up it doesn't use them. What package would I file this as a bug against? [13:19] jockey-gtk [13:19] Jessica_Lily: just run ubuntu-bug and report as a display problem [13:20] okay [13:40] Hey all [13:49] i just installed Oneric Alpha 3 and its unusable. The graphics for Unity 3D and 2D doesn't refresh properly [13:49] makara, file a bug then [13:49] makara: have you updated? [13:50] !schedule [13:50] A schedule of Oneiric Ocelot (11.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule [13:50] yeh, alpha 3 is quite old [13:51] how do I update when I can't navigate? [13:51] console [13:51] if you can't use the console, don't use a alpha [13:51] +1 [13:51] i'm in way over my head [13:52] i know how to use the console [13:52] though [13:52] makara: ctrl+alt+f1, login, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade [13:52] Use a dist-upgrade [13:52] first upgrade [13:52] then check dist-upgrade [13:52] Ian_Corne: exactly [13:53] if you see "ubuntu-desktop" will be uninstalled [13:53] don't :p [13:53] makara: though it's still an alpha, so some levels of breakage should be almost expected [13:53] makara: it's been pretty stable for me, but not everyone's been so lucky, the odd compiz crash now and again [13:54] why does the login page list GNOME if its not an option? [13:54] since today regualr unity finally works for me :) [13:54] not more constantly crashing metacity :D [13:54] makara: gnome3 is still gnome ;o) [13:55] makara: gnome is an option [13:55] "classic" isn't, and by classic, it means gnome-panel [13:56] it gives an error when I login with GNOME (other options are Ubuntu 2D and Ubuntu) [13:56] well, gnome-shell is not installed by default [13:56] but makara did you update? [13:57] updating now [13:57] so will I have GNOME as an option when this is done? [13:57] no [13:57] you'll need to install gnome-shell I think [13:58] thanks [13:58] that's unfortunate [13:58] ? [13:58] GNOME2 is a good interface [13:58] it was ok [13:59]