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nigelbInteresting post about acessible education by a friend http://ilnodisaarcodu.wordpress.com/2011/08/25/95/13:47
Pendulumnigelb: can you check with him about whether we could repost (obviously with attibution and link to his post) on our blog? (as hopefully a way to give him some signal boost)13:48
nigelbPendulum: bah, he's not online right now.13:49
nigelbI'll poke him later, when he's on13:49
Pendulumnigelb: just whenever poke if it's okay :)13:49
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charlie-tcaThe latest "I really want Onboard in the menu" bug is bug 83386217:15
ubot2Launchpad bug 833862 in onboard "Onboard Keyboard should have a menu entry for Xubuntu/Xfce" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83386217:15
charlie-tcaWe do keep trying17:15
AlanBellit is in the menu now surely17:49
AlanBellin oneiric17:49
AlanBellwe have stopped breaking it now17:50
AlanBelland the onboard settings application now works too and it has the ambiance theme by default17:54
charlie-tcaIt is always in the menus in alphas, but get removed for the final17:54
AlanBellwhich is pretty much the one I designed, but with better keycap shading and a shadow on the font which looks rubbish imho17:54
AlanBellok, I will keep a close eye on it :)17:55
charlie-tcaIt has done the menu thing for at least two releases that I am aware of, so I would hope to at least get the file changed to let xubuntu keep it this time17:55
AlanBellwell so far there is no patch to change18:08
charlie-tcaEvery bug does not require a patch18:09
AlanBellyeah, but in this situation the upstream package is just fine, we break it, and you want to unbreak it for xubuntu, but as it has not yet been broken it can't be unbroken18:11
charlie-tcaNo, I simply want the desktop file to have a line added that will allow the damn thing to stay in the menu18:12
AlanBellif you put "OnlyShowIn=XFCE;" in now, then that will break it for everything else18:12
charlie-tcaThe same thing I have watched countless times get closed because it doesn't need to be in a menu, those who need it should know it exists and be able to magically use it18:13
charlie-tcaIt was in the menu in natty and maverick, too. Where is it again?18:13
charlie-tcaIt can't be sru'd or backported because it is not important enough. On the other hand, it can't be in the menu for final release either18:15
AlanBellok, so lets find out who is breaking it and get a commitment from them to not break it18:15
AlanBellbug 78613018:15
ubot2Launchpad bug 786130 in onboard "not present in unity application launcher" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78613018:15
AlanBellI am tempted to mark that one as fix released, then if someone breaks it then it will be a regression18:16
AlanBellregressions can be SRUed18:16
AlanBelloh, it was TheMuso who put the patch in18:16
AlanBellTheMuso: we are not doing this any more are we? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/onboard/oneiric/changes?filter_file_id=01_disable_menu_icon-20100414061233-bk6cf6sdsaty3jr8-118:17
charlie-tcaLet's take it all the wayy then - see bug 27545018:17
ubot2Launchpad bug 275450 in onboard "menu items missing on fresh install of Ubuntu" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27545018:17
AlanBellcharlie-tca: you are totally right, that was added really late in the 10.04 cycle, I will check 10.10 and 11.0418:41
AlanBellsame patch, I can't figure it out, looks to me like it has been there since 2010-04-1418:48
AlanBellskaet do you know about this issue?18:49
* skaet reading the backscroll18:54
AlanBellskaet: the onboard on screen keyboard has been removed from the menus, which means you need to use a keyboard to start your keyboard18:55
AlanBellit is there in Oneiric at the moment, but we believe it has been removed last minute from other releases18:55
skaetAlanBell, urk.  first I'm hearing of it. 18:55
AlanBellit is an Ubuntu patch that intentionally breaks it :(18:56
charlie-tcaUm, could always try looking in the menu in natty, if you are running it. 18:56
charlie-tcaIt really is frustrating to see it in the menus and then have it gone for the final release.18:56
AlanBellcharlie-tca: lets get a screenshot of it in documentation somewhere18:58
charlie-tcaof the menu item?18:59
charlie-tcaOkay, I can attach screenshots to the bugs19:00
charlie-tcaUnfortunately, all that shows after the patch is pushed is that I added it to my menus, doesn't it?19:01
AlanBellI meant other documentation, there will be screenshots of the unity menu in documentation the docs team manage19:01
skaetAlanBell, charlie-tca - do you have some specifics about which Ubuntu patch causes the clobber in the other releases?19:04
AlanBellone sec, let me work out a more sensible link than that one19:05
skaetAlanBell, yes please19:07
AlanBellso that is the natty patch that takes it out of the menu19:07
skaetthanks AlanBell,  that one makes a bit more sense.   19:09
AlanBelllooks like the patch was added in Rev 22 and removed in Rev 2819:13
skaetAlanBell, we'll probably need to get pitti involved to help sort this out.   Probably best to wait until after B1 goes out and then bring it up, unless there's a reason its time critical right now?19:22
AlanBellnot time critical, just don't want the patch to slip back in at the last minute!19:25
AlanBelland it would be nice to do an SRU removal for the supported distros19:26
AlanBellright now it looks good for Oneiric, UI freeze is today so it should stay there19:27
AlanBellcharlie-tca: UI freeze being the reason to get it in the documentation :)19:28
charlie-tcaI can run a Ubuntu install and get shots of it.19:28
charlie-tcaBut if it doesn't stay, the docs will get bugs against them too, for being wrong19:29
charlie-tcaWe will try it19:29
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