[13:47] <nigelb> o/
[13:47] <nigelb> Interesting post about acessible education by a friend http://ilnodisaarcodu.wordpress.com/2011/08/25/95/
[13:48] <Pendulum> nigelb: can you check with him about whether we could repost (obviously with attibution and link to his post) on our blog? (as hopefully a way to give him some signal boost)
[13:49] <nigelb> sure
[13:49] <nigelb> Pendulum: bah, he's not online right now.
[13:49] <nigelb> I'll poke him later, when he's on
[13:49] <Pendulum> nigelb: just whenever poke if it's okay :)
[17:15] <charlie-tca> The latest "I really want Onboard in the menu" bug is bug 833862
[17:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 833862 in onboard "Onboard Keyboard should have a menu entry for Xubuntu/Xfce" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/833862
[17:15] <charlie-tca> We do keep trying
[17:49] <AlanBell> it is in the menu now surely
[17:49] <AlanBell> in oneiric
[17:50] <AlanBell> we have stopped breaking it now
[17:54] <AlanBell> and the onboard settings application now works too and it has the ambiance theme by default
[17:54] <charlie-tca> It is always in the menus in alphas, but get removed for the final
[17:54] <AlanBell> which is pretty much the one I designed, but with better keycap shading and a shadow on the font which looks rubbish imho
[17:55] <AlanBell> ok, I will keep a close eye on it :)
[17:55] <charlie-tca> It has done the menu thing for at least two releases that I am aware of, so I would hope to at least get the file changed to let xubuntu keep it this time
[18:08] <AlanBell> well so far there is no patch to change
[18:09] <charlie-tca> Every bug does not require a patch
[18:11] <AlanBell> yeah, but in this situation the upstream package is just fine, we break it, and you want to unbreak it for xubuntu, but as it has not yet been broken it can't be unbroken
[18:12] <charlie-tca> No, I simply want the desktop file to have a line added that will allow the damn thing to stay in the menu
[18:12] <AlanBell> if you put "OnlyShowIn=XFCE;" in now, then that will break it for everything else
[18:13] <charlie-tca> The same thing I have watched countless times get closed because it doesn't need to be in a menu, those who need it should know it exists and be able to magically use it
[18:13] <charlie-tca> It was in the menu in natty and maverick, too. Where is it again?
[18:15] <charlie-tca> It can't be sru'd or backported because it is not important enough. On the other hand, it can't be in the menu for final release either
[18:15] <AlanBell> ok, so lets find out who is breaking it and get a commitment from them to not break it
[18:15] <AlanBell> bug 786130
[18:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 786130 in onboard "not present in unity application launcher" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/786130
[18:16] <AlanBell> I am tempted to mark that one as fix released, then if someone breaks it then it will be a regression
[18:16] <AlanBell> regressions can be SRUed
[18:16] <AlanBell> oh, it was TheMuso who put the patch in
[18:17] <AlanBell> TheMuso: we are not doing this any more are we? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/onboard/oneiric/changes?filter_file_id=01_disable_menu_icon-20100414061233-bk6cf6sdsaty3jr8-1
[18:17] <charlie-tca> Let's take it all the wayy then - see bug 275450
[18:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 275450 in onboard "menu items missing on fresh install of Ubuntu" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/275450
[18:41] <AlanBell> charlie-tca: you are totally right, that was added really late in the 10.04 cycle, I will check 10.10 and 11.04
[18:48] <AlanBell> same patch, I can't figure it out, looks to me like it has been there since 2010-04-14
[18:49] <AlanBell> skaet do you know about this issue?
[18:54]  * skaet reading the backscroll
[18:55] <AlanBell> skaet: the onboard on screen keyboard has been removed from the menus, which means you need to use a keyboard to start your keyboard
[18:55] <AlanBell> it is there in Oneiric at the moment, but we believe it has been removed last minute from other releases
[18:55] <skaet> AlanBell, urk.  first I'm hearing of it. 
[18:56] <AlanBell> it is an Ubuntu patch that intentionally breaks it :(
[18:56] <charlie-tca> Um, could always try looking in the menu in natty, if you are running it. 
[18:56] <charlie-tca> It really is frustrating to see it in the menus and then have it gone for the final release.
[18:58] <AlanBell> charlie-tca: lets get a screenshot of it in documentation somewhere
[18:59] <charlie-tca> of the menu item?
[19:00] <AlanBell> yes
[19:00] <charlie-tca> Okay, I can attach screenshots to the bugs
[19:01] <charlie-tca> Unfortunately, all that shows after the patch is pushed is that I added it to my menus, doesn't it?
[19:01] <AlanBell> I meant other documentation, there will be screenshots of the unity menu in documentation the docs team manage
[19:04] <skaet> AlanBell, charlie-tca - do you have some specifics about which Ubuntu patch causes the clobber in the other releases?
[19:04] <AlanBell> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/onboard/oneiric/changes?filter_file_id=01_disable_menu_icon-20100414061233-bk6cf6sdsaty3jr8-1
[19:05] <AlanBell> one sec, let me work out a more sensible link than that one
[19:07] <skaet> AlanBell, yes please
[19:07] <charlie-tca> http://tinyurl.com/3uz5h6k
[19:07] <AlanBell> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/onboard/natty/files/head:/debian/patches/
[19:07] <AlanBell> so that is the natty patch that takes it out of the menu
[19:09] <skaet> thanks AlanBell,  that one makes a bit more sense.   
[19:13] <AlanBell> looks like the patch was added in Rev 22 and removed in Rev 28
[19:22] <skaet> AlanBell, we'll probably need to get pitti involved to help sort this out.   Probably best to wait until after B1 goes out and then bring it up, unless there's a reason its time critical right now?
[19:25] <AlanBell> not time critical, just don't want the patch to slip back in at the last minute!
[19:26] <AlanBell> and it would be nice to do an SRU removal for the supported distros
[19:27] <AlanBell> right now it looks good for Oneiric, UI freeze is today so it should stay there
[19:28] <AlanBell> charlie-tca: UI freeze being the reason to get it in the documentation :)
[19:28] <charlie-tca> I can run a Ubuntu install and get shots of it.
[19:29] <charlie-tca> But if it doesn't stay, the docs will get bugs against them too, for being wrong
[19:29] <AlanBell> exactly
[19:29] <charlie-tca> We will try it