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chrisccoulsonjasoncwarner_, it's built on amd64 btw01:35
chrisccoulsoni've just had to do another upload though - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/7.0~b1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu201:36
chrisccoulsoni noticed some broken icons ;)01:36
jasoncwarner_chrisccoulson: :)01:36
jasoncwarner_I'm on i386 on this machine01:36
chrisccoulsonah, that's still building anyway01:36
chrisccoulsonthat one takes longer because it has to build all the translations too01:36
chrisccoulsoni need to figure out how to make the toolbar draggable now01:37
chrisccoulsonit's kinda weird having the toolbar colour match the window border, but not being able to drag the window with it01:38
cyphermoxquality technology. we can make marvelous things and (relatively) bug-free programs, but water distribution stations in cities still end up bringing up E-coli, boil-your-water warnings. :'(02:19
brodercyphermox: it's just different kinds of bugs :-P02:20
charlie-tcayes, isn't technology great?02:22
cyphermoxbroder: please mark life-threatening bugs "Critical" :D02:26
cyphermoxRAOF: still around?02:26
cyphermoxfinishing up another xapian-core build test with the CJK patch, but it's already running on my system, and doesn't seem to be causing any issues. I'll send a merge request in a minute02:28
robert_ancellTheMuso, is there an a11y indicator?02:41
charlie-tcaTheMuso: do you have time to take a look at bug 82937002:49
ubot2Launchpad bug 829370 in at-spi2-core "at-spi-bus-launcher crashed with SIGSEGV in XFlush()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82937002:49
RAOFcyphermox: Back from lunch now; what's up?03:43
pittiGood morning04:11
pittidobey: I am now04:12
jasoncwarner_chrisccoulson: still now i386 thunderbird theme ;) ... taking a long time to build!04:42
* pitti is off for an hour for running06:02
jasoncwarner_chrisccoulson: getting new thunderbird and theme now...I'll let you know later today!06:15
jbichachrisccoulson: tbird disabled toolbar btns aren't really distinguisable from active ones06:25
tkamppeterlightdm does not start for me any more. Anyone knows how to get it working again?06:28
jbichareplace it with gdm... ;-)06:29
jasoncwarner_tkamppeter ...what is the issue? I'm sure robert_ancell would be willing to take a look06:51
tkamppeterjasoncwarner_, what happens is that lightdm tries to start repeatedly showing by the screen getting shortly white and returning to the text screen.07:05
GunnarHjrobert_ancell: Hi Robert, how about fixing that MP today? :)07:05
tkamppeterjasoncwarner_, no errors in /var/log/xorg.0.log nor segfaults in /var/log/syslog.07:06
tkamppeterrobert_ancell, ^^07:06
robert_ancelltkamppeter, what does /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log say?07:12
robert_ancellGunnarHj, so, what sets these variables incorrectly?07:13
GunnarHjrobert_ancell: It's accountsservice that writes to ~/.profile. But they are not set incorrectly; the purpose with the proposed code is to avoid a side effect with setting LC_MESSAGES etc. explicitly.07:16
GunnarHjrobert_ancell: There is no obvious package for it IMO. What speaks for lightdm is that, after all, it's lightdm that actually populates the env. variables by sourcing ~/.profile.07:19
robert_ancellGunnarHj, so I'm still confused.  If a user sets LC_MESSAGES to LANG this causes a problem?07:24
robert_ancellAnd we want to catch if this is done inside a user script and undo it?  So it applies to all login systems (lightdm, gdm, getty)?07:24
GunnarHjrobert_ancell: No, the problem that showed up is that if e.g. LC_MESSAGES is explicitly set, and you ssh into another machine without that locale, the environment is messed up. It's a special case, and yes, it applies to all login systems. Hmm... Maybe the latter speaks for moving the code, after all, to a place that is always sourced...07:29
robert_ancellGunnarHj, yes, so Xsession.d sounds like the right location (although that only works for graphical logins).  x11-common contains a lot of these07:30
robert_ancellRAOF, does x11-common sound like the right place for something like this ^^^ ?07:30
robert_ancellGunnarHj, so ssh handles if LANG is set but not LC_MESSAGES?07:31
RAOFrobert_ancell: It's not entirely clear to me what "this" is?  There's some environment which, if you ssh to a machine on which that environment is unsuitable, is unsuitable?07:31
robert_ancellRAOF, given there was a requirement to unset LC_MESSAGES if it equalled LANG for all logins, would the right place be for this script to be in Xsession.d in the x11-common package?07:33
robert_ancellThere is more questions, which are: "What is breaking in this case, what set the variables like this and should ssh break on this?"07:34
robert_ancellI mean "What is breaking in this case, what set the variables like this and should we be correcting for this problem?"07:34
RAOFrobert_ancell: That sounds like something that may well want to be in x11-common.07:35
GunnarHjrobert_ancell, RAOF: I'm not able to answer all those follow-up questions. Maybe pitti, who was involved in the decision to take this step, is able to add something.07:36
robert_ancellGunnarHj, ok, so it sounds like the merge should be moved to x11-common, but before we do that we need to know if the fix should be done.07:36
tkamppeterrobert_ancell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/674350/07:36
robert_ancellpitti knows all :)07:37
pittisorry, I didn't follow -- this is about not setting LC_MESSAGES and friends when it's equal to LANG?07:37
pittiyes, that would be good to have somewhere07:37
GunnarHjpitti: Yes.07:37
pittiarguably l-s shoudln't write it like that into ~/.profile in the first place07:37
robert_ancelltkamppeter, unity-greeter crashed, do you have an apport bug?07:37
pittionce it does, we'd need to fix all login managers or x11-common or even bash itself (VT logins!) to un-set them any more, which is unpractical07:38
pittiGunnarHj: could we change l-s to not write them unless they are not equal to LANG?07:38
pittiand if you re-write .profile, clean up the redundant LC_* stuff?07:38
GunnarHjpitti: Well, basically you don't know at the time when you write to ~/.profile what value LANG will have at next login. ;-)07:40
Sweetsharkmorning all!07:40
pittiGunnarHj: why not? it was removed from gdm, and lightdm doesn't even touch it07:40
pittihey Sweetshark, guten Morgen!07:41
GunnarHjpitti: I mean that the user can change LANG after he sets LC_MESSAGES etc. Which shouldn't happen very often, I suppose. ;-)07:42
* Sweetshark is torturing kakadus still ...07:43
pittiGunnarHj: but that's precisely the case which we want to fix here07:43
pittiGunnarHj: i. e. if you run a program with e. g. LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 ..., I actually expect that program to be in French07:43
pittithese days I need to set LC_MESSAGES= LC_CTYPE= LANGUAGE= LANG=fr_FR.UTF-807:43
pittiand this also causes ssh logins to act up, as on most servers your ~/.profile just sets $LANG07:44
robert_ancellpitti, oh, that is the problem07:44
robert_ancellpitti, GunnarHj, so l-s should only set LC_MESSAGES if the user has explicitly asked for a different one right?07:44
robert_ancelli.e. different to LANG07:44
robert_ancellbut currently it sets all four variables?07:45
pittiin the past it was necessary to set them all, as gdm changed them dynamically07:45
robert_ancellah, and now that problem no longer exists07:45
robert_ancellGunnarHj, so, it sounds like the fix should be in l-s - do you agree?07:47
GunnarHjpitti, robert_ancell: I suppose that the test against LANG can be done at the time when the user sets a new language, i.e. when ~/.profile is written to.07:47
pittiGunnarHj: right; it couldn't in the past, as gdm changed it, but now it should be possible, right?07:48
robert_ancellGunnarHj, yes.  There will be some existing users with the problem, they need to go to the language selector to fix that07:48
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mvoglatzor: good morning! just fyi https://bugs.launchpad.net/software-center-agent/+bug/833053 talks about restricting the license key stuff to /opt/pkgname, so we should be fine07:50
ubot2Ubuntu bug 833053 in software-center-agent "license_key_path should not (yet) support per-user location" [Undecided,New]07:50
GunnarHjrobert_ancell, pitti: I'm beginning to hesitate. If we wouldn't write to ~/.profile (or somewhere else), then if and when the user changes the locale for regional formats, the language is changed as well unsolicitedly.07:51
pittiGunnarHj: but in that case we actually should write LANGUAGE/LC_MESSAGES/LC_CTYPE into ~/.profile07:52
Sweetsharkpitti: I forgot that one, we still need a MIR for lo-menubar for now as I add it as a recommend to the libreoffice metapackage.07:53
pittiSweetshark: ah, jasoncwarner_ already asked about that07:53
pittiSweetshark: shouldn't that also be in the default install?07:53
GunnarHjpitti: That's what we are doing currently.07:54
Sweetsharkpitti: yes07:54
pittiGunnarHj: ah, then everything seems to be okay?07:55
pittiindeed, it just sets $LANG in my ~/.profile now07:55
GunnarHjpitti: Going forward, I can think of a solution where this is completely handled at one place, probably accountsservice.07:55
Sweetsharkpitti: as of now, lets just use the existenting lo-menubar package, while I am already building it along with the libreoffice source package I dont package it there yet.07:55
pittiGunnarHj: I thought accountsservice already writes ~/.profile in SetLanguage now?07:55
pittiSweetshark: sounds fine07:55
pittiSweetshark: and from 12.04 on it will be built into libo?07:56
glatzormvo, hm. not really. but you still want to allow a random location under /opt/pkgname?07:56
GunnarHjpitti: Yes it does. But it always do so, irrespective of the value of LANG.07:56
glatzormvo, I would like to see a trusted source for dropping files, e.g. the package control field in the prototype07:57
pittiGunnarHj: I thought if you set a different language than regional format, it would write all four? if not, how does that work then?07:57
Sweetsharkpitti: well, I could still do it post-beta (this is only changing packaging, the code is the same).07:58
pittiSweetshark: that sounds even better then07:58
GunnarHjpitti: The problem here, I think, is that ~/.profile is a static file. That's why we currently need to do that test at the login time.07:58
pittiSweetshark: so for beta we pull in lo-menubar, and handle the MIR/FFE for it; and the next upload would then just move it into libo itself07:58
glatzormvo, we don't only have to think about people dropping scripts/exectuable but also configuration files07:59
pittiSweetshark: I guess we'll need another pre-beta upload for the armel FTBFS anyway, so this upload could also add teh Recommends: lo-menubar?07:59
GunnarHjpitti: Yes, of course it works as you just said. But it writes all four always.07:59
pittiGunnarHj: I just started l-s and wiggled the language, and just got $LANG; weren't you saying above that this is intended?07:59
glatzormvo, think of /opt/pkgnmae/conf.d/ - especially if the the /opt location/app thing is opened more widely in the future08:00
Sweetsharkpitti: thats how it looks in my current checkout ;)08:00
GunnarHjpitti: Yes, that scenario does not sound right. Your ~/.profile should be changed each time you change language.08:00
pittiSweetshark: nice; please file the MIR/FFE bugs then08:01
mvoglatzor: right, that is fair enough, I will add info on that on the bugreport, I think the packagerecord is the best source indeed08:04
GunnarHjpitti: Please note that accountsservice was recently updated with all those scripts, so most people using Oneiric does not have LANGUAGE/LC_MESSAGES/LC_CTYPE/LC_COLLATE set in their ~/.profile files.08:04
pittiGunnarHj: I don't understand that -- it just moved from l-s to accountsservice, that shoudln't have any effect on ~/.profile?08:05
glatzormvo, i am currently writting a short comment :)08:05
mvoglatzor: \o/08:06
GunnarHjpitti: No, but developers don't change their language settings that often. ;-)08:07
GunnarHjpitti: But you are right, accountsservice does what l-s (and gdm) did previously.08:07
pittinice, the retracer caught up with everything08:10
pittijasoncwarner_: FYI, I just got the alternates into their size limits08:11
pittithey will shrink by another 5 MB or so over the weekend (with the langpack refresh)08:11
GunnarHjpitti: This is what I think right now: We put that code that unsets LC_MESSAGES etc. in a directory that is typically sourced by DMs. That should cover most cases - after all, the environment problem isn't exactly a disaster... Then, during the next cycle, we add enough fields to accountsservice to store all the settings there, and drop ~/.profile. Accountsservice will be able to do 'the LANG test' dynamically and serve an08:11
GunnarHjy DM with the right info for setting the environment.08:11
pittiGunnarHj: I thuoght accountsservice's SetLanguage() call already does that test?08:12
pittiit should certainly do08:12
pittiah, I just tried that again08:13
pittiso, I had nothing in ~/.profile, then changed region to German/Switzerland and then back to German/Germany08:13
pittithen I only had $LANG in my ~/.profile, which is right08:13
GunnarHjpitti: SetLanguage does what should be done with respect to storing the info. Now I'm talking about getting the info at login in order to actually populate the variables.08:13
pittithen I switched the langauge to En/UK, and back to German, and now I have all four08:14
pittithe last case is the bug08:14
pittiGunnarHj: storing the info and populating the variables for the session is one and the same no -- ~/.profile08:14
GunnarHjpitti: We should be able to do it without ~/.profile, but that's not how we currently do it.08:16
GunnarHjpitti: Accountsservice does not have fields for storing both LANGUAGE and the locale name that goes to LC_MESSAGES etc.08:17
pittiGunnarHj: I thought accountsservice would store it into ~/.profile now?08:18
GunnarHjpitti: But what I mean is that during next circle we should change that.08:18
asacis today a good day for upgrading to oneiric?08:18
GunnarHjpitti: Yes, now a-s writes to ~/.profile.08:19
seb128hey pitti, asac08:19
asachello seb128 !08:19
pittibonjour seb12808:19
pittihey asac08:19
asacyay pitti !08:19
pittiGunnarHj: right, and I think at this time we should check whether or not to write LC_* and LANGUAGE08:19
pittiseb128: FYI, retracer has caught up with all bugs now08:20
seb128asac, it's not a bad day but it's also the beta freeze and ui freeze day so it's likely to be a bit busy and bumpy08:20
seb128pitti, \o/08:20
pittiseb128: including lucid/maverick/etc.08:20
seb128pitti, that was short08:20
asacso my thinkpad broke today ... no fan anymore08:20
asacand this netbook isnt good in natty ... hoped its better in oneiric08:20
asacguess i will just upgrade08:20
GunnarHjpitti: I'll get back about this later. IRC has its limitations. ;-)08:21
seb128asac, there is no known breakage so you can as well give it a try ;-)08:22
pittino known breakage in oneiric? *cough*08:23
Sweetsharkpitti: hmm, there is already a mir: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lo-menubar/+bug/72525008:32
ubot2Ubuntu bug 725250 in lo-menubar "[MIR] lo-menubar" [Undecided,Incomplete]08:32
pittiSweetshark: ah, seems it's blocked by bug 739184 then?08:32
ubot2Launchpad bug 739184 in lo-menubar "Keyboard shortcuts to menus do not work." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73918408:32
pittiSweetshark: that might very well be fixed with the current version, of course08:35
tkamppeterrobert_ancell, apport did not get triggered08:35
rodrigo_so, at what time is the UI freeze?08:35
tkamppeterrobert_ancell, also no segfault in syslog08:35
pitti2100 UTC, AFAIR08:35
seb128pitti, define breakage? ;-) I didn't say "no bug" ;-)08:36
pittiseb128: ah, ok08:36
robert_ancellseb128, one quick question, if the unity-greeter branch is debian/ only why does it have all the other files in it?08:36
seb128pitti, it's just that today is not especially bad to upgrade08:36
rodrigo_pitti, ok cool, plenty of time then :)08:37
robert_ancelltkamppeter, ok, you'll need to fix apport so it can generate one08:37
seb128robert_ancell, hey, hum, like?08:37
seb128robert_ancell, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/unity-greeter/ubuntu/files08:37
seb128robert_ancell, I think I don't understand the question08:38
tkamppeterrobert_ancell, pitti, apport is reporting a lot of crashes for me (and yesterday I passed on 2 crashes, one on Libreoffice.08:38
robert_ancellpitti, oh, since lightdm catches the segfault does apport miss it?  any way around that?08:39
pittirobert_ancell: why does it catch segfaults?08:39
BigWhaleAre Ubuntu fonts included in Oneiric or I still have to use the private ppa?08:39
robert_ancellseb128, oh, debcheckout has changed behaviour08:39
pittirobert_ancell: if you want to do cleanup when it happens, then you can catch it, clean up, and re-raise it08:39
pittiBigWhale: it has been in the default install for several releases already08:40
BigWhalerodrigo_, hey... the example for gir ebook that I had now works. But I was extra busy so I just gave it a quick test. :)08:40
BigWhalepitti, really? then I have to throw out the ppa :>08:40
tkamppeterrobert_ancell, I am not sure whether lightdm actually segfaulted, as syslog does not report a segfault.08:40
rodrigo_BigWhale, cool!08:40
robert_ancelltkamppeter, Launching process 5248: LIGHTDM_FROM_SERVER_FD=13 DISPLAY=:0 HOME=/var/lib/lightdm GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-WzmCzJ XDG_SESSION_COOKIE=a1517f691661ea5ee1aaf23b4b019b21-1314253506.490179-2123213501 GDMSESSION=unity-greeter LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LIGHTDM_TO_SERVER_FD=16 USERNAME=lightdm GNOME_KEYRING_PID=5246 DESKTOP_SESSION=unity-greeter XAUTHORITY=/var/lib/lightdm/.Xauthority USER=lightdm PATH=/usr/08:41
robert_ancelllib/lightdm/lightdm:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games SHELL=/bin/false /usr/sbin/unity-greeter08:41
robert_ancellProcess 5248 terminated with signal 1108:41
robert_ancellpitti, only the parent process catches it, but that shouldn't bother apport right?08:41
robert_ancelltkamppeter, have you set to "ignore this problem" with unity-greeter?08:42
Sweetsharkpitti: nope, nobody has touched the bzr lo-menubar branch since I merged it in libreofffice and commited the adjustments back: https://code.launchpad.net/~lo-menubar-team/lo-menubar/trunk08:42
pittirobert_ancell: as long as any process actually raises a SIGSEGV, apport will see it08:42
robert_ancelltkamppeter, so it looks like something is wrong on your system08:42
pittichecking /var/log/apport migh thelp08:42
pittior /var/crash if it doesn't already have one08:43
pittimvo: I'm a bit puzzled by bug 82875908:43
ubot2Launchpad bug 828759 in ubuntu-meta "package ubuntu-desktop 1.240 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82875908:43
pittimvo: I have booted a natty desktop, and try a dist-upgrade to oneiric now08:43
pittimvo: when I do apt-get dist-upgrade, it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, and keep the old at-spi08:43
pittimvo: but when I do "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop", it correctly upgrades it, removes the old at-spi, and pulls in the new at-spi2-core08:44
pittiTheMuso: ^ FYI08:44
pittimvo: is there a way how I can debug why it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop instead of dropping the old packages?08:44
Sweetsharkpitti: hmm, if we do not MIR lo-menubar, and I package it from the libreoffice-source package, I kinda sneak lo-menubar in main, dont I?08:45
pittiSweetshark: yes, but that's not such a big deal if it's upstream now08:45
pittithat happens all the time with new usptream stuff08:45
mvopitti: -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true -o Debug::pkgDepCache::AutoInstall=108:45
pittiSweetshark: but it would still require an FFE, and we wouldn't accept it until this bug gets fixed08:46
mvopitti: the fact that ubuntu-desktop is installed when you ask for it explictely is expected, apt assigns it a very high value in this case, the interessting question is why at-spi is kept, probably a bunch of reverse depends or something like that08:46
pittimvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/674379/08:48
Sweetsharkpitti: well, ok. I will find absolutely no time for that and at upstream nobody would care. So DX would have to work on it upstream ...08:48
pittiInvestigating (0) at-spi2-core [ amd64 ] < none -> 2.1.5-0ubuntu1 > ( misc )08:48
pittiBroken at-spi2-core:amd64 Depends on libatspi2.0-0 [ amd64 ] < none -> 2.1.5-0ubuntu1 > ( misc ) (>= 2.1.1)08:48
pitti  Considering libatspi2.0-0:amd64 2 as a solution to at-spi2-core:amd64 008:48
pitti  Holding Back at-spi2-core:amd64 rather than change libatspi2.0-0:amd6408:48
pittimvo: ^ that could be it?08:48
Kaleothe default photo viewer is set to eog; shouldn't it be eog?08:48
pittiSweetshark: ok, let's keep it for next cycle then08:49
pittihey Kaleo08:49
pittiKaleo: eog == eog ?08:49
Kaleopitti: eye of gnome08:49
pittiKaleo: yes, I know that08:49
pittiKaleo | the default photo viewer is set to eog; shouldn't it be eog?08:49
Kaleosorry, I re-read myself08:49
pittieog == eog08:49
pittiyes, it should :)08:49
pittishotwell always imports stuff08:50
pittiand you don't want to do that for every picture you look at08:50
pittimany pngs/jpgs are not even photos08:50
pittiTheMuso: do at-spi and at-spi2-core really conflict package/functionality-wise?08:51
pittiTheMuso: it seems that conflict is causing bug 82875908:51
ubot2Launchpad bug 828759 in ubuntu-meta "package ubuntu-desktop 1.240 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82875908:51
seb128Kaleo, sorry just saw your ping on ayatana08:52
seb128Kaleo, no it shouldn't08:52
seb128Kaleo, well the reason is that shotwell only handle a few photo format, not gif, bmp, etc08:52
seb128Kaleo, they defined themself as a photo viewer not an image viewer08:53
seb128cyphermox, RAOF: did anyone worked on xapian during the european night?08:53
Sweetsharkpitti: Ok, so for 3.4.2-2ubuntu1 I will: a) have armel fixed b) will _not_ recommend lo-menubar from libreoffice c) but prepare everything for lo-menubar being packed from LO with be just changing one switch ...08:54
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone08:54
Sweetsharkchrisccoulson: Morning, you nightworker!08:55
seb128hey chrisccoulson, how are you?08:55
chrisccoulsoni'm good thanks, a bit tired though08:55
chrisccoulsonlate night ;)08:55
seb128tb kept you up late? ;-)08:55
chrisccoulsongetting that theme in ;)08:56
pittiTheMuso: I updated bug 828759, would appreciate feedback from you about that08:56
ubot2Launchpad bug 828759 in ubuntu-meta "package ubuntu-desktop 1.240 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82875908:56
pittiSweetshark: sounds good08:56
seb128ok, time to start on unity updates08:57
seb128is somebody having a sponsoring slot there?08:57
Kaleoseb128, pitti: I see; so do you know any way for the user to define their photo management app08:57
seb128that's the xapian cjk update dx needs for cjk support in unity08:57
mptAnyone know who runs ubot2?08:58
seb128Kaleo, no08:58
Kaleoseb128: ok, thank you08:58
seb128mpt, I think dholbach knows08:59
seb128when the bot went to miss he told me who to ping08:59
seb128but I don't remember who that was now08:59
mptthanks seb12808:59
mvopitti: its line 404 (how fitting!) - Considering libatspi1.0-0:amd64 10 as a solution to libatspi2.0-0:amd64 2 - so libatspi1.0-0 has a score of 10 and libatspi2.0-0 of just 2 so apt things that the former is more important09:02
mvopitti: probably due to reverse depends or something like this, I can check that in detail, but that raises the question, do they need to conflicts at all? aren't both libraries?09:03
seb128mvo, you know a bit about xapian?09:04
mvoseb128: depends on what you want to know09:04
seb128mvo, could you test build and run https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/ubuntu/oneiric/xapian-core/lp833172/+merge/72821 just to double check it doesn't break s-c?09:04
seb128mvo, and upload if it works?09:05
seb128mvo, it's what dx needs for cjk, the patch is a backport from upstream stable svn and has been tested by dx and cyphermox09:05
seb128mvo, so it "should" be ok, I would still appreciate if you could test run it, I don't know much how to test xapian09:05
tkamppeterpitti, robert_ancell has already left, but I can say that I did not set "Ignore this problem" on anything.09:11
pittitkamppeter: do you have a /var/crash/ file which sounds like lightdm?09:11
tkamppeterpitti, I have09:13
tkamppeter-rw------- 1 lightdm lightdm 2023993 2011-08-24 23:42 /var/crash/_usr_sbin_unity-greeter.103.crash09:13
pittithere you go09:13
tkamppeterpitti, how do I trigger the apport process manually?09:13
pittisudo apport-bug /var/crash/_usr_sbin_unity-greeter.103.crash09:13
pittito report it09:13
pittitkamppeter: it'll only get popped up as "system problem blabla", probably you clicked it away09:14
pittiunfortunately update-notifier is really annoying with these09:14
tkamppeterpitti, that is possible, these dialogs should tell which program crashed.09:14
tkamppeterpitti, I got very many of them.09:15
jincreatorExcuse me. Have anyone know about why packages language-support-... are disappeared at Oneiric?09:15
pittijincreator: yes, they are obsolete; language-selector installs the actual support packages dynamically now09:15
jincreatorThen language-selector works at installing ubuntu, too?09:17
tkamppeterpitti, bug 83361909:17
ubot2Launchpad bug 833619 in unity-greeter "unity-greeter crashed with SIGSEGV in FT_Set_Transform()" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83361909:17
pittitkamppeter: retrace should come in a few minutes09:18
pittiand there it is09:24
mvoseb128: sure, hold on a wee bit, is that the one that was in the desktop PPA?09:25
pittiseb128: do you know if indicator-applet is supposed to work on in current oneiric?09:34
* pitti currently looking at bug 82949109:34
ubot2Launchpad bug 829491 in indicator-applet "indicator-applet version 0.4.12-0ubuntu1 failed to build in oneiric" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82949109:34
pittidbarth: is DX still interested in maintaining indicator-applet and porting it to GTK3, or should we just drop it?09:35
seb128mvo, it's a new revision of it09:35
pittidbarth: (now that we have unity 2d in the system, and actually want to provide a rather clean GNOME experience when people run gnome-panel or shell)09:35
seb128pitti, ted is working on it, he got some gtk3 style issue I think09:35
seb128pitti, it just came after default installation work09:35
seb128pitti, he mentioned it yesterday still so I think it's going to be fixed but after the beta freeze09:35
pittiseb128: ah, I wonder if it's actually good time spent, or whether it should just be dropped09:35
seb128pitti, "default install first"09:35
seb128pitti, it's "do nothing, it will get an update, but after the main install issues are settled"09:36
mvoseb128: ok09:36
pittiseb128: ok, thanks; still wondering if that's well spent resources, though09:36
seb128pitti, it's a  few hours work and there are still people out there who use gnome-panel and a GNOME2 style desktop and want indicators09:37
seb128pitti, well, "dx call" I would say, if they don't fix it we drop it09:37
pittiI just don't think it's worth pursing the idea09:37
pittiGNOME has pretty much said that they don't want them, and have shell now09:37
seb128pitti, we got quite some Ubuntu users who still want to run gnome-panel and that said they miss their indicators09:38
seb128if it's easy to please them I think we should just fix it09:38
seb128not a priority for sure though, just a "would be nice"09:39
dbarthpitti: how high would you rate the interest of porting it?09:39
dbarthpitti: ie, worth a freeze exception?09:39
pittidbarth: doesn't need an exception09:39
pittidbarth: it's FTBFS and broken righ tnow09:40
pittidbarth: it's "port or drop"09:40
pittisame for indicator-network09:40
dbarthi'll see with ted how long that would take; it seems reasonable09:40
pittidbarth: merci Monsieur!09:41
pittidbarth: right, in C the gtk 2 -> 3 port is often rather trivial09:41
seb128pitti, cyphermox said he was working on that indicator ftbfs yesterday09:41
* pitti assigns to him then09:42
Laneycan someone sponsor libindicate for me before the freeze? 83222209:45
Laneybug 83222209:45
ubot2Launchpad bug 832222 in libindicate "Use cli-common-dev packaging helpers" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83222209:45
pittiLaney: doing09:46
dbarthpitti: i've added an upstream task for ted, if you want to assign to cyphermox09:47
Laneyseems it got lost in a recent refactoring09:48
tjaaltonchrisccoulson_: \o/ (the addressbook bug :)09:52
davmor2Guys from lightdm I can't select unity 2d after yesterdays updates10:04
seb128how so?10:04
ogra_be happy you can use the greeter at all :P10:05
seb128ogra_, bug number?10:05
davmor2seb128: only shows ubuntu from the drop down I think let me log out and check the exact wording10:05
seb128davmor2, is ubuntu-2d installed?10:05
seb128not ubuntu-2d10:06
ogra_seb128, none :P ... i still wait for the next upstream ... i know it still has issues, waiting 5-8sec for a dot to appear on the passwd input might still be normal at this point of development :)10:06
davmor2seb128: It only lists Ubuntu, I'll log back in now and check on unity-2d10:06
seb128ogra_, is that unity greeter on armel?10:06
ogra_it works fine here, it just displays veeeery slooow10:06
ogra_yep, unity-greeter on armel, up to date yesterday10:07
seb128well I don't think it's that of an issue on any decent video driver10:07
seb128where decent is intel, nvidia or ati10:07
ogra_(my login is as fast as in gdm, the grereter just cant cope with updating the screen)10:07
seb128that's why it didn't get worked10:08
ogra_we dont have any video drivers on armel10:08
seb128right, which is why only you see the issue :p10:08
davmor2seb128: rc unity-2d  4.0.0-0ubuntu1  I'm assuming that means it got removed10:08
ogra_and we also have tons of users with vesa10:08
seb128you should maybe default to the gtk greeter on armel10:08
seb128davmor2, it does10:08
seb128ogra_, use the gtk greeter?10:08
ogra_you cant expect that people have GL supported HW for the greeter10:08
seb128no and we don't10:08
seb128you say yourself it runs10:08
seb128it's using cairo, but that's slow on vesa10:09
ogra_seb128, i want to use ubuntu on my moms PC without having to tweak it, that was possible for the last 6 years, even if she doesnt have super powerful HW10:09
seb128I'm not sure how much you can do nice graphics using cairo in a vesa driver10:09
ogra_i expect that a replacement doesnt have such massive regressions really10:09
seb128ogra_, it's still possible, use the gtk greeter?10:09
ogra_thats preinstalled and autoselected on HW that cant cope ?10:10
seb128it's hard to define "visually slow"10:10
ogra_sorry, but making the default login process depend on high end HW seems like a massive regression and a release blocker to me10:10
Laneypitti: thanks10:11
seb128ogra_, come on, it's not an high end hw10:11
ogra_seb128, typing a char in the password field and waiting for 3-5 sec for it to appre is what i define as slow10:11
seb128ogra_, the unity greeter runs smoothly on my old atom 10v10:11
seb128which I would call an high end config10:11
seb128it's a nb with an atom cpu and an intel 945 video10:11
ogra_or klicking on "other" to sdelect another uiser and watchiong a slideshow start (about 10 sec for the scrolling) is what i define as slow10:11
ogra_seb128, it has GL capable HW10:12
ogra_i would say 1/3 of our users doesnt10:12
seb128it has nothing to do with gl10:12
ogra_it has to do with acceleration one way or the other10:12
seb128we can't lower down our standard to "should run fast on vesa driver"10:12
ogra_imho we cant release like that10:12
tjaaltonarm uses fbdev, not vesa (since there is no video bios)10:13
ogra_and i wouldnt expect us to given there is still time10:13
seb128let's see10:13
ogra_seb128, but talking to you it sounds like that issue is completely ignored10:13
seb128it's not an issue on intel or amd config10:13
seb128I think armel should default to the gtk greeter if armel hardware can't display cairo graphics10:13
ogra_sure, it wont be an issue in nvidia either10:13
ogra_we cant ship accelerated drivers10:14
seb128sorry x86 or amd6410:14
ogra_that doesnt mean that users dont use accelerated drivers10:14
seb128when I say intel or amd10:14
ogra_yeah, got that10:14
seb128it's just hard to do shiny graphics on a smooth way on almost not working drivers10:15
ogra_that we default to something unusable in a place where its simply not appropriate is a big failure imho10:15
ogra_its not hard to do shiny graphics10:15
seb128well we can use the gtk greeter by default10:15
ogra_nor is it hard to do thzem in a smooth way10:15
seb128you will have a 10years old looking and fast greeter10:15
seb128it's just undermine all the modern config users for some who have buggy drivers10:16
ogra_if you pick supporting libs that require certain HW then, thats indeed the outcome10:16
seb128doesn't seem a smart move10:16
ogra_sorry, but i think its the other way round10:16
davmor2seb128: is it a feature that it got removed or a flaw in the upgrade procedure?  I'm assuming the latter10:16
seb128davmor2, it's probably you using dist-upgrade without reading what it does ;-)10:16
seb128davmor2, you should use upgrade10:16
seb128i.e don't do partial upgrades if you don't understand what it wants to do10:17
seb128it usually leads to such issues10:17
davmor2seb128: Good chance  :)10:17
seb128ogra_, well, what about you write to the list to suggest we default to the gtk greeter then?10:19
seb128ogra_, that's not a discussion we will solve on IRC10:19
seb128but I don't think we should level down on the slowest config you can find and say that things should run fast on that, you can't have high quality graphics on crappy hardware10:20
ogra_i do10:21
ogra_at least i did the last releases10:21
tjaaltonwhy not do the same as with unity, and fall back to an "easier-on-the-hw" config when the hw is not up to it10:22
ogra_tjaalton, thats what i'm saying10:22
seb128tjaalton, because it's hard to define "slow to render"10:22
seb128tjaalton, the greeter is pure gtk and cairo and run on any config, it's not using gl or anything10:22
ogra_well, our session script can apprently determine it10:22
seb128tjaalton, it seems just that cairo is slow on fb10:22
seb128ogra_, no, our session script checks for gl10:23
seb128ogra_, because unity uses gl10:23
seb128ogra_, the unity greeter has been made on purpose using nothing that requires 3d or gl10:23
tjaaltonseb128: hard, but not necessarily too hard :)10:23
ogra_but if you see there is no GL at all thats a pretty good indicator10:23
seb128ogra_, it's pure gtk and cairo10:23
seb128ogra_, well if we do that we could as well do a gl greeter and a fallback to the gtk one then10:23
tjaaltonI'll see what my sis laptop likes of the new greeter10:24
seb128it makes no sense to make efforts to not use gl to default to not use the greeter on non gl configs anyway10:24
ogra_well, you can look for vesa or xfbdev too10:27
rodrigo_Laney, ping10:27
Chipacarodrigo_: hi there :)10:28
rodrigo_Laney, seems you didn't push your last changes in tomboy package to the ubuntu-desktop branch10:28
ogra_seb128, other apps use cairo too here and arent slow, so i'm willing to blame the development level of the code (which is why i didnt file a bug yet)10:28
rodrigo_hola Chipaca, long time! :-D10:28
Laneyyeah i forgot10:28
Laneydid the merge in git, much easier10:28
rodrigo_Laney, also, Chipaca wanted to chat with you about the libsyncdaemon dep10:28
rodrigo_Laney, in gnome git?10:29
ChipacaLaney: hi there. Question about that, it now depends on libsyncdaemon, for what seems to be merely getting credentials?10:29
seb128ogra_, well there will be some optimization, but cairo is slow, it's one of the reason gtk wasn't picked by then for 2d launchers10:29
Laneyno, debian git10:29
LaneyChipaca: I don't know anything about that, rodrigo_ did that patch10:29
rodrigo_Laney, ah10:29
ChipacaLaney: ah.10:29
* Chipaca *looks* at rodrigo_10:29
* ogra_ wants gnomecanvas back :P10:29
rodrigo_Chipaca, yeah, now that I remember, it's always depended on libsyncdaemon, to talk to u-sso-client10:29
seb128ogra_, other apps use cairo but don't render a screen with effects like the greeter tries to do10:29
BigWhaleerr.. I enabled multiarch support and now apt wants to download a bunch i386 packages when I try to install nonfree flash plugin10:30
Chipacarodrigo_: not in natty it didn't10:30
rodrigo_Chipaca, hmm10:30
* rodrigo_ looks at the bzr log10:30
ogra_seb128, yeah, we probably could make the effects switchable :)10:30
Chipacarodrigo_: in natty i can remove libsyncdaemon without it uninstalling tomboy :)10:30
ogra_like in metacity10:30
BigWhalewith libc and everything10:30
bigonjbicha: you need sponsoring for gnome-shell?10:31
jbichabigon: yes but I was going to try to remove some extra dependencies10:32
Chipacarodrigo_: ah, but in natty, *if* you removed libsyncdaemon, and changed sync in tomboy to u1, tomboy crashed10:32
Laneythere was a bug in tomboy in natty10:32
Laneyit didn't have the right dependencies10:32
Chipacalooks like it, yes10:33
bigonjbicha: tell me when you need me to upload it10:33
LaneyChipaca: it is fixed in -proposed10:34
rodrigo_Chipaca, Laney:10:34
rodrigo_revno: 7810:34
rodrigo_tags: 1.6.1-0ubuntu510:34
rodrigo_author: Iain Lane <laney@debian.org>10:34
rodrigo_committer: Bazaar Package Importer <james.westby@ubuntu.com>10:34
rodrigo_branch nick: oneiric10:34
rodrigo_timestamp: Sun 2011-06-26 14:56:53 +010010:34
rodrigo_  * Rebuild against CLR 4.010:34
rodrigo_  * 01_dllmaps.patch: Fix glib DLLMap to resolve correctly and not bail with10:34
rodrigo_    stricter dh_clideps10:34
rodrigo_  * Add Build-Dep on libsyncdaemon-1.0-dev so that the DLLMap can be resolved10:34
ubot2Ubuntu bug 667736 in tomboy "tomboy help content not available" [Medium,Fix committed]10:34
Laneyplease verify it there10:34
Laneythen it can be sent to -updates10:34
ChipacaLaney: rodrigo_: ok, thanks. But I need to break that dependency, now :(10:35
Laneyi probably uploaded a broken changesfile without Launcpad-Bugs-Fixed, because I built it on Debian10:35
Chipacatomboy will be on the CD in oneiric, yes?10:35
Chipacaright, so I need to fix tomboy to not get creds that way10:35
Chipaca*sigh* I didn't want to learn C# :)10:36
rodrigo_Chipaca, iirc, the patch loads the lib dynamically, so not sure why the build dep is needed, I guess some C# DDLmap problem10:36
* rodrigo_ looks at the patch10:36
Laneyit's not a problem10:37
Laneyif you use the library then  you have to depend on it10:37
Chipacarodrigo_: it's a dependency becaues if you choose u1 from the sync menu and libsyncdaemon isn't installed, tomboy crashes10:37
rodrigo_Laney, but it's using DllImport's10:37
rodrigo_ah ok10:37
Chipacabut, it's not needed is my point10:37
Chipacait's only being used to talk to sso10:37
rodrigo_Chipaca, you'll still use u-sso-client?10:37
Chipacawhich anybody can do over dbus10:38
Laneyright, so you have to find out where the library is used and then port that call to not need it10:38
bigonricotz: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/78035997/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-armel.gnome-shell_3.1.3-0ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz :/10:38
ChipacaLaney: exactly10:38
rodrigo_right, so maybe you can just replace the class SyncdaemonAuthentication in the patch to use DBus10:38
Chipacarodrigo_: right10:38
Chipacarodrigo_: so i need to learn c#, and how to do async dbus calls in it :)10:38
Laneyyou should find dbus-sharp nice to use10:38
* Chipaca reads up10:38
rodrigo_yeah, dbus-sharp should be quite straightforward10:39
rodrigo_Chipaca, if you need help, let me know10:39
Chipacarodrigo_: have no fear, I will :)10:39
Laneythere's that thing I pinged rodrigo_ about yesterday too, that ought to be fixed10:39
Chipacaboth need help, and let you know10:39
ChipacaLaney: what's that thing?10:39
rodrigo_Laney, oh, what was the ping about?10:39
Laneyit tells you to press Save after you get credentials10:39
Laneybut a) save is always insensitive and b) that doesn't appear to be necessary anyway (it got the credentials)10:40
Laneyget them from U1, that is10:40
Chipacathat's a leftover from when we used a different way of getting credentials, i guess?10:40
Laneyi suppose10:40
rodrigo_yes, probably, haven't really checked with the latest tomboy uploads10:40
ChipacaLaney: is dbus-sharp and libdbus1.0-cil the same thing?10:42
Laneydbus-sharp is the source package and name of the project10:42
Laneythe second one is the name of the library package10:42
Chipacayep, just saw it :)10:42
Chipacaso it's being used already -- don't need to worry about the init sequence10:43
ricotzbigon, hmm, i see10:48
chrisccoulson_pitti - how does apport decide which fields in a bug report appear inline or are attached as a file? (or is that launchpad?). I'm just wondering why "Plugins" appears inline in bug 833591, whereas "Themes" is attached as a text file10:50
ubot2Launchpad bug 833591 in thunderbird "Addresbook entries cannot be edited" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83359110:50
pittichrisccoulson_: if it's only text and <= 5 lines, it's inline10:51
pittiotherwise attachment10:51
pittichrisccoulson_: no, it's apport who decides it10:51
chrisccoulson_pitti - ah, ok. how come this ended up as an attachment then? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/78028753/Themes.txt10:52
pittiI'm not sure10:52
pittichrisccoulson_: oh, there's another possibility -- if a hook only specifies a file reference, it's always an attachment, I think10:52
* Sweetshark watches the arm builder and wonder what the airspeed of an unladen kakadu is ...10:53
pittichrisccoulson_: or there's a hidden character in it which is < 32 and not LF10:54
chrisccoulson_I actually prefer them attached. The Plugins field is quite hard to read in that bug report, as it gets line wrapping in all the wrong places10:54
pittihm, hd doesn't see any weird chars10:54
pittichrisccoulson_: so, I don't know off-hand, need to debug10:55
pittichrisccoulson_: does that always happen, or only on some bugs?10:55
chrisccoulson_pitti - thanks. i'll take a look at that in a bit10:55
chrisccoulson_not sure, i've only just started getting bug reports with this new hook, as i only uploaded it yesterday10:55
chrisccoulson_brb, lunchtime10:55
ogra_Sweetshark, doesnt that depend on if it is an asian or tasmanian kakadu ?10:56
ricotzbigon, this will need a patch to conditionally use GLES2 api on armel11:13
chrisccoulson_hmmm, bug 830110 is annoying11:18
ubot2Launchpad bug 830110 in compiz "Horrifically bright "Aero Snap" color (grid plugin?)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83011011:18
chrisccoulson_i feel my retina getting more and more burned everytime i see it ;)11:18
Sweetsharkogra_: yes ... no ... I dont know .... aaaargh11:23
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ricotzjbicha, do you have your gnome-shell package ready?11:51
ricotzjbicha, hi11:51
seb128ricotz, pad.ubuntu-uk.org/oneiric-desktop11:53
seb128ricotz, https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/oneiric/gnome-shell/gnome-shell-3.1.4/+merge/7279611:53
seb128it's in the sponsor queue11:53
ricotzseb128, hello11:53
ricotzi know, this isnt usabel11:53
ricotzi talked to him last night, and i was hoping he could use a bug report with a debian-only debdiff11:54
ricotzthis merge contains conflicts too11:54
seb128would be nice to comment on the merge request when you review it and have issue11:55
seb128would it only to avoid to others to go through the same review than you11:55
ricotzseb128, that is why i talked to him ;) and was hoping he already did it11:55
ricotzseb128, you have seen the gdm merge?11:56
seb128see my comment on the etherpad11:56
seb128I'm not fan of adding new binaries over debian especially when nothing use those11:57
ricotzyeah saw that ;)11:57
ricotzright, only gdm itself linking against it11:57
jbicharicotz: yes, http://paste.ubuntu.com/674476/11:58
jbicharicotz: sorry for the delay11:58
ricotzjbicha, hi11:58
ricotzdont add gir1.2-soup-2.4 to build-deps, move it to the gnome-shell package11:58
rodrigo_we don't hjave ambiance and radiance GTK3 themes, right?11:59
seb128rodrigo_, what do you think oneiric is using?11:59
ricotzjbicha, could you add a build-dep on "mesa-common-dev [armel]"11:59
rodrigo_seb128, they don't show up on gnome-tweak-tool, and the package only has gtk2.0 dirs12:00
seb128rodrigo_, light-themes in oneiric has gtk3 version12:01
rodrigo_maybe I'm not up to date, checking12:01
seb128it has those for months12:01
seb128since before the distro rally12:01
seb128lunch, bbl12:02
ricotzjbicha, did you check if the gir1.2-* deps of the gnome-shell package your dropped are autogenerated again?12:02
rodrigo_seb128, can you dpkg -L light-themes and pastebin it?12:02
jbicharicotz: yes, except that they lose their version numbers, is that important?12:02
rodrigo_ah, it's kept back, so installing light-themes now12:03
ricotzjbicha, they are not versioned12:03
ricotzjbicha, dont mix up build-deps and deps12:05
cyphermoxgood morning!12:05
jbicharicotz: for instance gir1.2-freedesktop (>= 0.10.6) loses the minimum version when autogenerated12:05
cyphermoxseb128: xapian-core: did the patch, built, tested, and I can search with chinese or korean characters (haven´t tried japanese, but hey) and I get search results12:06
ricotzjbicha, this version is force by the libgirepository1.0-dev, so you need to bump that anyway on 1.29.1512:06
cyphermoxthe issue is, yesterday I was still able to search with such glyphs even after downgrading xapian, so I don´t know for sure that the patch works12:06
cyphermoxso if there´s something clearer that should be tested, I can, my PC is all localized in chinese right now :)12:07
jbicharicotz: ok, I repushed http://paste.ubuntu.com/674480/12:12
* rodrigo_ lunch12:14
ricotzjbicha, dont remove libglib2.0-dev ;)12:15
jbicharicotz: libgtk-3-dev depends on it12:16
jbichaand it built like that in my pbuilder12:16
ricotzjbicha, yes, so does gnome-shell12:16
ricotzand the min-versions can be different12:17
ricotzjbicha, why not dropping build-dep on gir1.2-polkit12:19
jbicharicotz: ok, done12:25
ricotzjbicha, thanks12:28
ricotzjbicha, try to compare the needed versions with the ones in configure.ac, i think libgnome-bluetooth-dev 3.1.0 and libnm-glib 0.8.99912:29
ricotzjbicha, also keep libedataserver1.2-dev (>= 3.0.0) which is explictly listed there12:31
cyphermoxricotz: jbicha: moo?12:32
ricotzcyphermox, moo?12:32
jbichaum, moo12:32
cyphermoxyeah, what needs libgnome-bluetooth-dev and libnm-glib?12:32
cyphermoxah, fun12:32
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ricotzjbicha, ok, get it sponsored :P12:33
ricotzjbicha, g2g, good luck12:33
jbicharicotz: I forgot to look closely at configure.ac, but libedataserverui-dev depends on libedataserver1.2-dev12:33
jbicharicotz: thanks12:34
seb128rodrigo_, sorry I was at lunch, why was it kept back? did the update fix it?12:36
seb128cyphermox, hey, thanks for the work! I got mvo to confirm that xapian was still working for him as well and to upload, it's fine if it doesn't work as it should (well it's an issue but not ours), I just didn't want to break what standard locales use12:37
seb128cyphermox, just got a bit confused in the morning because there was no update on the bug nor email in my inbox, it took me a bit to notice the sponsoring request12:38
cyphermoxof course12:38
cyphermoxsorry ;)12:38
pittihey cyphermox12:38
cyphermoxhey pitti12:38
seb128no worry12:38
pitticyphermox: do yo plan to update nm-pptp to 0.9, too?12:38
cyphermoxtrying to get that done now12:38
cyphermox(indicator-network can wait a bit)12:39
pitticyphermox: while you are at it, could you please do bug 829478  as well?12:39
ubot2Launchpad bug 829478 in network-manager-pptp "network-manager-pptp version 0.8.999-1ubuntu1 failed to build in oneiric" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82947812:39
pitticyphermox: it's kind of implied to get it buildable, of course, but the chagnelog can then close the bug12:39
cyphermoxyes, will be fixed with the update to 0.912:39
pitticyphermox: cool, thanks12:40
pittiI fixed a few other desktopish FTBFS, trying to get through the 9 desktop ones of the recent test rebuild12:40
cyphermoxyeah, I wanted to do more last night but xapian took a while12:41
cyphermoxfwiw, I'll answer soon on the thread but I like the maintenance team idea12:41
pittithanks for landing the CJK xapian fix12:42
pittihooray for CJK support at last!12:42
pitticyphermox: ah, looking forward to a few more opinions12:42
pittiI'm particularly interested in "one day a week" vs. "stable squad"12:43
seb128chrisccoulson_, seems like they landed a fix for your compiz grid color issue12:43
cyphermoxpitti: dunno, one day a week sounds sane12:43
seb128I much favor regular shared slots12:44
dobeypitti: why did you vote 'resubmit' on your own merge proposals? there's no need to resubmit them for new revisions to fix small needs fixing issues; and that's not how they get resubmitted anyway. :)12:44
cyphermoxwhich reminds me I should add myself to some spot for sponsoring12:44
seb128well I mean have a day a week and rotate between team members rather than having a team focussed on that12:44
chrisccoulson_seb128, oh, nice12:45
pittidobey: hm, I interepreted "resubmit" as the flag "I addressed the things the needsfixing comments raised"12:45
cyphermoxseb128: you mean one day a week of nbs/ftbfs/stability checks, or one day per member?12:45
pittidobey: so that's not how it's supposed to be used?12:45
pittidobey: I. e. "I fixed stuff, and now I ask you to look at the MP again"12:45
dobeypitti: no. that resubmit vote is "i think you should resubmit this as a new proposal"12:45
seb128cyphermox, well I mean I prefer having something similar to what we do for sponsoring, a rotation or regular schedule of maintenance slots12:46
pittidobey: is that what's holding tarmac back to actually merge it?12:46
dobeyjust adding the comment "I fixed that." is enough to send mail out to the reviewers. voting on one's own proposal really doesn't make any sense, and i'm not entirely sure whey LP allows it :)12:46
dobeypitti: no12:46
seb128rather than having a few people full time on it for a while12:46
cyphermoxyeah, well, people on it full time for a while, I can see some getting tired / bored from it12:47
pittidobey: ok, thanks for the explanation; some parts of LP are still a mystery to me12:47
seb128like some people like to alternate their activities, and having a few people full time give the message to others that they don't need to care because there is a team assigned to it12:47
pittiseb128: sounds fine to me, too; and with our current size, it'll amount to about three people each day anyway12:47
pittiwhich is the same size as we had in mind for the squad12:47
dobeypitti: you're not part of the "official" reviewer team, so tarmac just ignores your votes anyway. if one of those branches is approved, and it's not landing, likely it doesn't have the commit message set on the merge proposal12:48
pittidobey: right, it doesn't have one; I'm not sure how to create one12:48
pittiah, "Set commit message"12:48
pittidobey: want me to set one, or do you developers prefer to do that?12:48
dobeypitti: you can, just make sure it's a good commit message :)12:49
cyphermoxah, I was thinking just alternating one member each day of the week to look after these12:49
pittidobey: "Fix stuff", what else?12:49
dobeypitti: "Allow using either GI or static bindings" maybe? "fix stuff" is NOT a good commit message :)12:50
dobeypitti: if i put "fix stuff" in an upload to ubuntu, you'd bitch at me :)12:50
cyphermoxseb128: fwiw, gtkhtml is pretty much ready, and I put gbrainy next to my name because I already have much of the mono stack installed, so it should be easy to build/test12:51
pittidobey: set12:51
seb128cyphermox, thanks!12:51
pittidobey: (you didn't take that serious, did you)12:51
dobeyoh man, gtkhtml. them was the days12:51
seb128cyphermox, do you have any clue if we should go for the new libgdata btw?12:51
pittidobey: does it look ok to you at https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/ubuntuone-client/gi-fixes/+merge/72447 ?12:51
cyphermoxseb128: do we need it for something?12:51
pittidobey: I don't know whether you have a particular convention wrt. formatting, or single header line etc.12:52
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seb128cyphermox, not that I know of, it's 0.9 to 0.10 so I was wondering if it's unstable to stable serie12:52
seb128cyphermox, it's better to be a stable serie if that's the case12:52
seb128cyphermox, but otherwise no need to update12:52
ChipacaLaney: ping, got a minute or 10?12:53
cyphermoxit could be, but Id check carefully. if it drops auth mechanisms in favor of oauth this will mean breaking things like totem again (saying this because the old auth mechanism is deprecated by google)12:53
dobeypitti: well, we have some disagreement on that ourselves; but we don't generally list changed files and what changes are in them directly. a general statement or set of statements, describing hte set of changes makes more sense i think12:53
pittidobey: ah, that's what I mean; in my stuff I prefer listing the files12:54
pittidobey: ok, reworking then, before tarmac gets to it12:54
pittidobey: done12:54
jbichabigon: ok, I'm ready for sponsoring12:54
cyphermoxseb128: it looks rather a lot like bugfix, checking quickly12:54
cyphermoxoh, gtk2 indicators should still work, right?12:55
seb128cyphermox, they should yes12:56
cyphermoxI've had the initial fix to the indicator-network ftbfs in a merge request for a little while now, so if it's not absolutely necessary to port it to gtk3 then it probably works12:56
cyphermoxI'll give it a shot later12:57
seb128that's a system indicator right?12:57
seb128you can't mix gtk2 and gtk3 ones12:57
seb128so you need to go to gtk3 if you want it loaded by unity12:57
cyphermoxwhat I feared12:57
seb128well I wouldn't bother much12:57
cyphermoxwell, it's in progress, but I hit a snag in vala code12:57
seb128it's not our job to fix it12:57
seb128it's only an universe non maintained indicator12:58
seb128sure it would be nice to fix but it's lower priority than other desktop work12:58
seb128if dx wants it they should fix it12:58
cassidyhow can I prevent Evolution from re-creating the ubuntu one couchdb address book?12:58
seb128cassidy, uninstall evolution-couchdb?12:58
cassidyseb128, that did it, thanks!13:00
seb128cassidy, yw13:00
seb128cassidy, you can check with rodrigo_ when he's back from lunch on how to turn it off for one user when evolution-couchdb if that's installed if that's possible, he probably knows13:01
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cassidyseb128, that's fine I don't use it so it's easier for me to just remove the pkg13:02
seb128cassidy, ok13:03
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pedro_gosh i can't understand this unity alt+tab :-(13:22
desrtpedro_: unity has clearly stolen gnome-shell's AltTabConfusion+ technology13:24
desrtin all fairness, though, we just stole it from macos13:24
dobeypedro_: you mean because it pops up behind the nautilus background window? :)13:24
pedro_cause i kind of need extra fingers to be able to switch between apps with 2 or more windows13:25
dobeyoh, did it change today?13:26
cyphermoxpitti: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-pptp/0.9.0-0ubuntu113:26
pedro_desrt, the gnome-shell one works better IMHO at least i don't feel lost when i'm using it13:26
cyphermox(just pointing out it's done)13:26
desrtpedro_: you're smarter than me, then :)13:27
* desrt misses his good old-fasioned application-unaware alt+tab13:27
dobeyi think i'll just buy an EPOC and use it to switch windows13:27
pitticyphermox: yay13:28
chrisccoulson_i find the behaviour of the alt+tab switcher a bit confusing, especially with it showing everything on all workspaces.13:31
chrisccoulson_but i'm so glad the thumbnails have gone13:32
chrisccoulson_those were useless13:32
dobeychrisccoulson_: that's because you have one browser window with a million tabs :)13:32
dobeythumbnails are quite useful for me13:32
dobeyespecially with lots of emacs/terminal/firefox windows13:33
mdeslaurchrisccoulson_: is the 14_no_fade_on_user_switch.patch patch in gnome-screensaver still necessary?13:33
chrisccoulson_i could never tell my e-mail client, browser and text editor apart with the thumbnails13:33
chrisccoulson_mdeslaur, i'm not sure. i was wondering that last week13:33
chrisccoulson_i can't even remember the problem it fixed ;)13:33
dobeywell, alt+tab in metacity is nice13:33
mdeslaurchrisccoulson_: yeah, the original bug seems to indicate it may have been fixed with a -nvidia update, etc.13:34
chrisccoulson_mdeslaur, lol13:34
dobeyi surprisingly still have unity running on my one laptop13:34
pittidobey, nessita: what is left for me to do on https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/ubuntuone-control-panel/gi-fixes/+merge/72449 ?13:35
mdeslaurchrisccoulson_: mind if I disable the patch to get the fade hotness back?13:35
chrisccoulson_mdeslaur, i don't mind. if you think it's worth it ;)13:35
chrisccoulson_do you have an nvidia card to test it on?13:35
nessitapitti: was there a failing test, I think. let me check!13:35
mdeslaurchrisccoulson_: it makes me feel warm and fuzzy when my screen fades :)13:35
mdeslaurchrisccoulson_: actually, I do...I'll see if I can reproduce it with oneiric.13:36
dobeypitti: oh, i guess i'll have to make releases of everything for these changes. i presume it's ok to get all these in now, even though we're in beta freeze?13:36
pittidobey: we are not in beta freeze yet13:36
pittidobey: 2100 UTC13:37
dobeypitti: oh. *all* freezes changed to 2100?13:37
chrisccoulson_mdeslaur, Guinness makes me feel warm and fuzzy13:37
pittiI'm not sure, but the recent ones were13:37
nessitapitti: right, there is a failing test. Let me give you a hint how to fix13:37
dobeypitti: ok13:37
pittichrisccoulson_: so does that hot sun out there13:37
chrisccoulson_pitti - you have sun?13:38
pittichrisccoulson_: you don't? we have nothing else since saturday13:38
chrisccoulson_pitti - we've had a bit of sun, and it was sunny this morning13:38
chrisccoulson_but it's just got so dark here that i might have to switch the light on13:38
pittiI use a very advanced technology to keep my brains within specified temperature parameters13:38
pitti... called "eating lots of ice cream"13:38
chrisccoulson_heh :-)13:38
chrisccoulson_i'd love some ice cream, but i'm trying to be disciplined with my food intake ;)13:39
nessitapitti: error, solution and needs fixing request added to https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/ubuntuone-control-panel/gi-fixes/+merge/7244913:40
pittinessita: cheers13:40
seb128chrisccoulson_, mdeslaur: upload, if that's broken somebody will complain and we can put it back13:46
mdeslaurseb128: ok, will do, thanks13:47
rodrigo_cassidy, evolution-couchdb always create the source if it's not available13:49
rodrigo_maybe we should make it be more clever and only show if you have an u1 account setup13:49
xclaesseseb128, any reason to not have gobject-introspection-doc package?13:50
xclaesseafaik they have some gtk-doc13:50
seb128xclaesse, that's a question for pitti13:52
seb128pitti, ^13:52
jibelseb128, I assigned bug 831812 to the desktop team, not sure where the bug lies. It makes ubiquity crash on launch.13:55
ubot2Launchpad bug 831812 in gtk+3.0 "ubiquity fails to start: Gtk:ERROR:/build/buildd/gtk+3.0-3.1.12/./gtk/gtkcssprovider.c:1275:gtk_css_scanner_new: assertion failed: (data[length] == 0)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83181213:55
seb128jibel, it's not likely gtk itself no13:56
seb128seems like they have some buggy css13:56
pittixclaesse: libgirepository1.0-doc ?13:57
xclaesseseb128, pitti: bah it is libgirepository1.0-doc13:57
pittithat's for the API13:57
xclaessehehe, found at the same time :)13:57
jibelev, seb128 about 831812 buggy css in ubiquity or gtk+3 bug ?14:03
seb128jibel, ev: well, I will have to check but gtk didn't change for a while and that seems a css parsing issue14:04
seb128so without looking at it I would first check if ubiquity is shipping a custom css and if it's a valid one14:04
evI don't think segfaulting is appropriate, even if it's invalid CSS14:08
evhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/674535 is the CSS in question14:09
evand the fact that it works if you run it enough times leads me to believe it's not a matter of invalid CSS14:10
seb128ok, maybe not14:11
seb128well as said I've no read it14:11
evI've only just jumped in here, so I'm merely stating my take on it. I don't mean for it to come across as confrontational.14:12
dobeypitti: hrmm. apt-cache policy ubuntuone-installer does not show it as being in the repository?14:13
ChipacaLaney: when you have a minute or three, I'm stuck with dbus-sharp ... :)14:14
pittidobey: might still be in binNEW?14:14
dobeypitti: ah, it looks like it still is, yeah :-/14:14
seb128ev, oh you didn't, it's just that things are busy as well there so I didn't have time to look at it ;-)14:15
evunderstood :)14:15
seb128ev, it's just that gtk didn't change for a bit and no other application hit that issue14:15
seb128ev, so either ubiquity is doing special things, or is unlucky or has a bug14:15
seb128will try to look at it once I'm done with the unity updates14:15
evokay, thanks14:16
LaneyChipaca: not really, try #tomboy if you need help14:19
Laneyor #mono14:19
ChipacaLaney: ok, thanks14:20
desrttedg: poke14:20
tedgdesrt, howdy14:20
desrttedg: can you do an upload for me to the dx team ppa?14:20
desrtbasically, (1) track the newer glib release (2) new patch from me14:21
desrtotherwise same story as last time14:21
tedgdesrt, Sure14:22
desrti'll mail the patch14:23
seb128does somebody want to do some review and sponsoring for dx?14:32
seb128 14:32
seb128those are dbarth's changes to turn on cjk xapian for unity14:33
waltersugh - lucid really has pkg-config broken out of the box?  gnome-doc-utils ships xml2po.pc which deps on libxml2.pc, but the gnome-doc-utils package doesn't dep on libxml2-dev14:35
seb128walters, that would be having g-d-u depends broken, which is different of having pkg-config broken14:36
seb128i.e those depends are not autogenerated, they are manually defined14:36
waltersseb128, it's true pkg-config --list-all doesn't blow up,   but my jhbuild code is calling --modversion on each one14:37
waltershm, this may actually be a gnome-doc-utils bug; it's probably wrong for xml2po.pc to require libxml2.pc since it only needs runtime, not the headers14:37
walters(and gnome-doc-utils appears to be installed by default due to ubuntu-docs)14:38
cyphermoxseb128: for the application lens, will that mean you can actually send ibus-generated characters in the search bar?14:40
seb128dbarth, ^14:40
seb128cyphermox, that's the goal but I'm not sure if that still needs an unity side change as well or not14:41
rodrigo_ok, new theme selector (in appearance panel in g-c-c) uploaded, will apreciate some testing14:42
cyphermoxseb128: well, didn't work yesterday, it either didn't take any characters or just got the scancodes/keycodes, whatever14:42
dbarthcyphermox: no, not yet14:42
seb128rodrigo_, great work, thanks14:42
dbarthcyphermox: that's a separate bug, the upper half side14:43
chrisccoulson_we have a theme selector again?14:43
cyphermoxdbarth: oh ok, still planned to land soon?14:43
dbarthcyphermox: the cjk changes you're seeing here are a continuation of the libxapian changes, the bottom half part of the whole CJK story14:43
dbarthcyphermox: should be in a ppa by the end of this week, the bulk of the work is now donw14:43
cyphermoxthe upper half missing makes the lower half hard to verify ;)14:43
waltersseb128, hm, though one could also argue that there should be a gnome-doc-utils-dev package which has the xml2po.pc14:44
dbarthcyphermox: you can verify that with unity-2d14:44
dbarthcyphermox: which already does support ibus14:44
cyphermoxthanks for the hint ;)14:44
dbarthnw ;)14:44
cyphermoxanyway, we'll see how it goes14:45
seb128walters, indeed, would be the "normal" debian way14:45
waltersseb128, hm, fedora has this same bug actually.  blah.  I think i'll fix gnome-doc-utils14:46
waltersthough there is this general tension that some people want to move pkg-config files to be useful for runtime detection and not just devel packages14:47
seb128walters, that's not what .pc are made for though, it's the same sort of issue that python checking for python bindings in their configure because they are needed a runtime14:52
seb128it doesn't solve the issue since those don't convert in real depends but they do create build time issues or unrequired build-depends for distributors14:53
waltersalright i did https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657339 and will move on14:54
ubot2Gnome bug 657339 in build utils "Fix xml2po.pc to not Require libxml.pc" [Normal,Unconfirmed]14:54
waltersit's just annoying to work around in jhbuild =/14:54
chrisccoulson_wow, it really is dark here now15:02
chrisccoulson_what happened to the daylight?15:02
tedgchrisccoulson_, Hah, America takes one more thing from the old world!15:05
seb128chrisccoulson_, you get compiz grid sun, no need of extra light ;-)15:06
chrisccoulson_heh :)15:07
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Sweetsharkpitti: status update for LO: it builds on arm past way the last buildbreaker, succeeds on intel, havent tested yet on ppc (last time I tried, apt-get 404'ed on installing deps)15:17
Chipacaoh, *fiddlesticks*. looks like dbus-sharp 0.7 has a bug wrt receiving signals15:18
Sweetsharkpitti: Do I need a FFE at all since we are not introducing any new features (3.4.2 is a bugfix release)? If so can I reuse issue 828724?15:19
pittiSweetshark: no, that's fine15:25
pittii. e. no FFE necessary15:25
Sweetsharkpitti: k, preparing an upload15:28
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Chipacawho do I need to talk with about a patch to dbus-sharp?15:39
Chipaca(I've got a patch, bug is fixed upstream in git)15:39
pittiChipaca: official way is to open a bug for it, point to the patch, and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors15:51
Chipacapitti: ok15:51
pittiChipaca: I guess everyone is in pre-beta-freeze rush (including me), so feedback might be a little thin right now15:51
pittiChipaca: but we'll get it sponsored quickly15:51
pittinessita: ah, I totally didn't notice the two new pylint warnings amongst the other 3000 it already had, sorry; will fix them15:52
nessitapitti: thanks! (you should be getting 3000 because you may not be using our patched pylint version)15:53
nessita(which makes sense)15:53
pittithis is running u1lint15:53
pittifrom the packaged u1dev-tools15:53
pittinessita: is there a trick to run u1lint on just one file? it takes ages otherwise16:08
* pitti still fighting with the #pylint magic markers16:08
nessitapitti: no with u1lint, no :-/ NO worries, I can run it myself and tell you if you need to fix something16:08
pittinessita: ah, that's fine then; I just wait :)16:09
pittiI hope I have it nailed now16:09
pittinessita: pushed, shoud both be fixed now16:10
pittitest suite runs cleanly now with pygobject 2.2816:10
pittithere are a couple of inevitable failures with 2.9016:10
pitti(but the branch fixes a lot of the regressions, the remaining ones are specific to the test suite)16:11
pittiok, need to leave for a bit, back for TB meeting16:11
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tkamppeterDesktop is rather crashy and unstable. Have sent my whole /var/crash collection now. There happen between 6 and 10 segfaults after login.16:13
pittiyeah, but most of them are in lightdm16:13
pittifor me, anyway16:13
seb128it's mterry's dault!16:14
tkamppeterpitti: Yes, one in unity-greeter, two in gnome-settings-daemon.16:14
seb128joke aside it's mostly noise16:15
seb128would be nice gvfs etc was not running in the greeter to start16:15
pittiwell, the g-s-d one isn't noise, but the rest is, yes16:15
tkamppeterpitti, and in addition, compiz seems to be a complete mess: when moving a window, the window is drawn on its new position but not removed from its old position16:15
tkamppeterpitti, so it leaves traces.16:15
pittioh, I don't have that here16:15
seb128pitti, do you have a bug number of the g-s-d issue?16:15
seb128I've declared retracer emails backrupts while they were catchup yesterday16:16
tkamppeterpitti, and when answering a crash dialog, the dialog closes but the window's shadow stays.16:16
pittifor the theme bug? no16:16
pittitkamppeter: that sounds like a bug that has been fixed in compiz two days ago, hmm16:16
tkamppeterpitti, I have updated today, and it pulled compiz and I logged in afterwards ...16:18
seb128tkamppeter, does it happen in a guest session?16:18
tkamppeterlogged in again and five new crashes in /var/crash, and desktop does not show indicator upplets, and Unity launcher bar at the left does not open.16:20
seb128tkamppeter, do you have unity and compiz-gnome installed?16:20
tkamppeterseb128, will try ...16:21
tkamppeterseb128, yes, both. Do I have to uninstall one of them?16:21
seb128tkamppeter, no, I was just checking you have those16:22
seb128tkamppeter, can you pastebin your .xsession-errors?16:22
seb128brb session restart16:22
pittiok, really off now, bbl16:23
tkamppeterseb128, pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/674608/16:24
tkamppeterseb128, pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/674608/16:24
seb128tkamppeter, ldd /usr/lib/compiz/libunityshell.so16:26
seb128can you pastebin that?16:26
seb128unity is not loading for you16:26
tkamppeterseb128, and in addition, network-manager has also a problem. It cannot access to my WLAN. It tries, after a timeout it shows the password dialog for wireless (I have checked network name and password are correct) click Connect, tries again and after a timeout again the password dialog ...16:27
tkamppeterseb128, ldd: /usr/lib/compiz/libunityshell.so: No such file or directory16:28
seb128tkamppeter, dpkg -l | grep unity16:28
seb128seems like you don't have unity installed16:28
tkamppeterdpkg -S libunityshell16:28
tkamppeterdpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *libunityshell*.16:28
tkamppeterseb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/674611/16:29
seb128tkamppeter, unity is not installed16:30
seb128install it, it will work better16:30
tkamppeterseb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/674614/16:31
seb128tkamppeter, yeah, you just picked the wrong time, the new unity is building, try again in 15 minutes16:31
seb128tkamppeter, or get the debs on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/4.10.0-0ubuntu116:32
ricotzDBO, hi :), is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/bamf/trunk/revision/409 suppose to fix this https://bugs.launchpad.net/bamf/+bug/826073 ?16:36
ubot2Ubuntu bug 826073 in bamf "Segfault when apps quit that have been launched before Plank did." [Undecided,New]16:36
tkamppeterseb128, trying to install ...16:36
tkamppeterseb128, problem is unity-common, it is not under "Built files" on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/4.10.0-0ubuntu1/+build/274462316:38
seb128tkamppeter, it's in the i386 build16:38
DBOricotz, yeah16:38
seb128tkamppeter, the arch all binaries are built on i38616:38
ricotzDBO, nice16:38
tkamppeterseb128, found it.16:40
tkamppeterseb128, unity is now installed and I am logging in again.16:42
seb128is it working?16:42
tkamppeterseb128, great, only one crash after login!16:44
seb128ok, that's better16:44
Sweetsharkpitti: upload to chinstrap is running, please sponsor16:44
seb128did you get your launcher back and the refresh issues fixed?16:44
tkamppeterseb128, launcher is there, rest I am trying by reporting the crash on the machine's own desktop (and not via SSH).16:45
tkamppeterseb128, from the total of 6 crash reports (5 from last session, 1 from this session, I got 3 to the browser until I lost access due to some desktop problem which I did not succeed to identify ...16:50
tkamppeterseb128, I cannot move windows any more, nor can I click buttons on crash report dialogs or in firefox.16:51
seb128is the dash open?16:51
seb128i.e super key16:51
Sweetsharkhmm, since pitti is afk is anyone else volunteering to sponsor libreoffice-3.4.2-2ubuntu1 and libreoffice-l10n-3.4.2-2ubuntu1 pre-beta? (both can be found on chinstrap)16:52
tkamppeterseb128, I do not know, how to determine this?16:52
seb128try pressing super?16:53
chrisccoulson_ouch, colord added quite a bit to the CD :/16:53
tkamppeterseb128, Alt key?16:53
seb128super key16:53
seb128the microsoft logo key16:53
ricotzSweetshark, nice :)16:54
tkamppeterseb128, Left-Windows gives me a mask with a search input line near the top and big icons for common tasks in the center of the screen. The desktop is blurred.16:55
seb128tkamppeter, ok, that's the unity dash, you can press it again to close it16:56
seb128if click still doesn't work I don't know why16:56
seb128you can ask on #ayatana16:56
seb128chrisccoulson_, how much is the bit? that was supposed to be a bit less than 1mb16:56
tkamppeterseb128, it seems that window decorations are still visible but not sensitive.16:57
chrisccoulson_seb128, well, it pulls in icc-profiles-free, which is 1.5MB alone16:57
seb128tkamppeter, dunno then16:57
tkamppeterAnyone here who knows about window decorations?16:58
seb128chrisccoulson_, would it be of any use without those profiles?16:58
seb128tkamppeter, try #ayatana16:58
chrisccoulson_seb128, i'm not sure16:58
seb128chrisccoulson_, we should perhaps lower that to a suggest?16:58
chrisccoulson_seb128, yeah, possibly. i'm probably not the right person to make that decision though16:59
chrisccoulson_i don't know enough about it ;)16:59
seb128tkamppeter, RAOF: ^16:59
tkamppeterseb128, icc-profiles-free is part of the new color management stack. it is a Recommends: in colord and provides the basic color profiles, which are needed to make the color management working at all.17:01
seb128tkamppeter, it's taking 1.5mb of CD space17:01
seb128can we lower that?17:01
seb128tkamppeter, what happens if the profiles are not there?17:01
tkamppeterseb128, I think without the profiles color management simply will not work.17:01
seb128what devices do those profiles cover?17:02
tkamppeterseb128, I think there are once the standard profiles, like sRGB and AdobeRGB, and perhaps some devices but I do not know exactly. Perhpas RAOF knows more.17:03
tkamppeterseb128, I am also not a CM expert, I have simply taken the packages which the color management people recommended.17:04
tkamppeterseb128, what is this #ayatana channel? Is it about X, compiz, ...17:05
seb128tkamppeter, #ayatana is the dx team channel, unity, compiz, etc17:05
tkamppeterseb128, thanks.17:07
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Sweetsharkricotz: yes, I work 24 hours a day and if thats not enough I do work during the night.17:12
ricotzSweetshark, hehe ;) -- looking forward to 3.4.3 :P17:15
ricotzthe greatest problem of this thing is the buildtime :\17:16
kenvandineseb128, do you think you can fix up the seeds for the u1 packages?17:18
kenvandineseb128, bug 83382417:19
ubot2Launchpad bug 833824 in ubuntu-meta "Remove Ubuntu One packages from Oneiric CD" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83382417:19
seb128kenvandine, why me? ;-)17:19
seb128you should have access as well17:19
kenvandineseb128, no reason... :)17:19
kenvandinei do... just over loaded atm17:19
kenvandineif you have time, it would be great :)17:20
seb128ok, same here17:20
kenvandineno worries17:20
seb128but I will sort it with pitti tomorrow17:20
kenvandinewant it to be done before beta freeze17:20
seb128kenvandine, did you discuss the transitionnal binary thing?17:20
seb128kenvandine, well the freeze is mostly an ui freeze, we can still get bug fixes in tomorrow17:20
kenvandineyes... he said just to make it easier if they ever bring it back17:20
seb128kenvandine, I expect we will clean up ftbfs and installability issues tomorrow17:20
kenvandinei think i prefer adding the conflicts, breaks stuff instead17:21
kenvandineseb128, should i make rb conflict/break with rb-u1-music? or make rb-u1-music conflict/break rb?17:22
kenvandinethe former would be easier, because right now i think the plugin is FTBFS :)17:22
seb128kenvandine, rb conflicts with it17:23
kenvandineso make it conflict and break right?17:24
kenvandineit already does17:24
kenvandinei wonder why ted had upgrade problems...17:25
kenvandineoh, i guess an ordering issue... since it only breaks... doesn't conflict or replace17:25
tkamppeter#ayatana is dead, anyone here who can help on insensitive window decorations?17:29
kenvandinetkamppeter, sorry... i think everyone is scrambling for UIF and beta freeze17:31
seb128tkamppeter, try restarting compiz17:33
seb128compiz --replace17:33
chrisccoulson_seb128, tkamppeter - the color management control center panel seems to depend on gnome-color-manager too, which isn't installed by default17:43
chrisccoulson_and that's another 2.7MB ;)17:43
seb128chrisccoulson_, what is it needed for?17:43
seb128chrisccoulson_, not sure ";)" is appropriate... ;-)17:43
chrisccoulson_seb128, gcm-viewer, which seems to be needed for the "View details" button in the control center panel17:44
chrisccoulson_seb128, "color-cc-panel-WARNING **: failed to run calibrate: Failed to execute child process "/usr/bin/gcm-viewer" (No such file or directory)"17:44
seb128and that takes almost 3mb?17:44
seb128we can probably patch that out17:44
chrisccoulson_seb128, yeah, it's around 2.7MB17:45
chrisccoulson_and it's in universe17:45
seb128I'm wondering how much of those calibration are useful without ui17:45
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pittican sponsor LibO, but Sweetshark seems offline now17:46
chrisccoulson_hah, and installing gnome-color-manager pulls in argyll17:47
pittichrisccoulson_: 2.7 MB out of the blue?17:47
pittimeh, this is really not the kind of change we can make at this point17:47
dobeypitti: ~3.25 hours left, right? :)17:47
pittidobey: yep17:47
chrisccoulson_2.7MB + 14MB of argyll ;)17:47
seb128pitti, chrisccoulson_: well it's only a button calling an ui, we could just hide the button17:47
chrisccoulson_not sure how much of that is actually needed to make the control center panel work though17:48
dobeypitti: ok, i'll make some releases real quick with your gi/static fixes17:48
pittichrisccoulson_: nope, argyll was determined for universe, it'll be installed on deman17:48
chrisccoulson_oh, after installing gnome-color-manager, the control-center button still doesn't work17:49
chrisccoulson_and i get a different error ;)17:49
seb128well let's see what comes out from beta testing17:49
seb128we can roll those out if needed17:50
seb128or split the color.so in a new binary17:50
pittiSweetshark: hm, this has changelog target UNRELEASED17:50
seb128which depends on the universe cracks17:50
seb128so those who want to install it can17:50
pittiSweetshark: I'm uploading -l10n now, that seems fine17:50
pittiSweetshark: can you regenerate the .dsc, debian.tar.gz and sources.changes for libo? (no reupload of orig tarballs necessary)17:51
pittinessita: nice, so all the ubuntuone parts should be good now for the new pygobject17:52
pittinessita: thanks!17:52
pittidobey: cheers17:52
nessitapitti: thank you! but, you mentioned that desktopcouch needed a fix as well, no?17:52
pittinessita: I'm not sure yet17:53
pittibut I'll keep it on the watch list17:53
nessitathanks, let me know17:53
dobeypitti, nessita: desktopcouch fix?17:53
dobeyoh for gi?17:54
pittiyes, possibly17:56
dobeydesktopcouch uses only static glib bindings17:57
dobeyso should be fine17:57
dobeymodulo the other problems it has of course :)17:57
pittiat least I get the very same "couchdb.http.Unauthorized: ('unauthorized', 'Authentication required.')" exception with pygobject 2-2817:58
pittiso that exception doesn't seem to be a regression in pygobject17:58
pittibut that makes neither the backend nor gtk UI crash17:58
pittiand when the GUI finishes, I get a "Fatal Python error: PyEval_RestoreThread: NULL tstate"17:59
pittithat also happens with both the old and the new pygobject17:59
pittiand is a symptom of mixing static and GI bindings17:59
pittiso I think it doesn't block the new pygobject, but will have to be fixed anyway; I'll keep that on my list17:59
dobeyit needs to be fixed, yeah; and i guess converted to dh_python2 would be nice18:01
dobeypitti: i think those errors are more a result of new couchdb in oneiric or something :(18:01
pittithe "auth required" one, yes18:02
pittithe PyEval one, I'm not sure18:02
pittidobey: I wonder if I should already uplaod the new pygobject, or wait for the u1 releases?18:02
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chrisccoulson_pitti - the couchdb error has been present for me in oneiric for the entire cycle so far18:02
chrisccoulson_it's also the cause of bug 825280 :/18:03
ubot2Launchpad bug 825280 in thunderbird "Repeated Ubuntu One address book errors" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82528018:03
dobeypitti: you can upload i think18:04
chrisccoulson_hah, that was silly of me. i dist-upgraded earlier and clearly wasn't paying any attention18:12
chrisccoulson_and now compiz has just crashed, i realize that i no longer have unity installed ;)18:12
tkamppeterchrisccoulson_, than you have the same mess that I had ...18:17
chrisccoulson_i'm back to normal now, except the menubar doesn't work on my secondary screen anymore18:20
pittiSweetshark: AYT?18:24
desrttedg_: hey.  did you do that upload yet?18:24
desrttedg: or here? :)18:24
desrttedg_: !!!18:25
chrisccoulson_pitti, how much do we care about powerpc?18:49
chrisccoulson_neither firefox or thunderbird currently build on it18:50
pittitarget of opportunity18:50
chrisccoulson_ah, ok. thanks18:50
chrisccoulson_i wasn't sure if i should be putting effort in to fixing that before beta18:50
chrisccoulson_but i'll look at it if i get a chance anyway18:50
seb128chrisccoulson_, by the time you had the issue unity was published for 2 hours, stop using an outdated mirror ;-)18:51
chrisccoulson_seb128, oh, the issue was that i upgraded earlier on, but didn't realize i'd uninstalled unity until compiz crashed a couple of hours later ;)18:52
seb128chrisccoulson_, no dist-upgrade for you!18:52
seb128chrisccoulson_, you should join the "upgrade" club18:52
tkamppeterpitti, there is one bad thing about Apport: For each crash which happens I get a window "System program has crashed. Report, Cancel", not telling *which* program has crashed. If I click on "Report" I get asked for my password and after that the usual Apport interface comes up. With the current messy desktop I have to click "Report" several times and everytime enter the password. This is annoying and demotivates to report all crashes.18:54
pittitkamppeter: I know, that's a tricky thing, as we can't make the system reports user readable18:55
tkamppeterpitti, this was also the reason why I did not see the crash of unity-greeter.18:55
tkamppeterpitti, can one not at least extract the package names for normal users?18:56
dobeypitti: can't for "security" or can't because the user doesn't have permissions to open the file?18:56
pittiwe can reconstruct the program name at least18:56
dobeypitti: right, i was just going to suggest that, by parsing the filename, since the user can see that18:57
pittidobey: we don't want mere mortal users to look at core dumps of e. g. postgresql, apache, shadow, or root daemons18:57
pittithe file name encodes the program name, so we can use that18:57
dobeyso that is doable :)18:57
seb128pitti, well you could ask the password one and keep the credential for the serie of bugs queued19:02
pittialso, update-notifier shows way too many windows19:02
pittiit seems it reports the same .crash file over and over again19:03
pittithere's another bug there19:03
seb128yeah, ideally they would add in one ui19:03
seb128pitti, well, it seems every time you get an new bug it reprompt for all the bugs you didn't report yet19:03
pittiright, the system ones19:03
seb128users one as well19:03
pittiseems the "mark as seen" stuff isn't working there19:04
seb128is there a mark as seen?19:04
pittiyes, in apport/fileutils19:05
seb128well I think we should do something similar to update-manager19:05
pittiit's by and large just looking at atime != mtime19:05
seb128open one ui with the list of unreported bugs unfocussed19:05
seb128rather than prompt for each bug19:05
seb128is there a standard way to tell dpkg-buildpackage "redo the debs"?19:07
seb128like "debuild binary" works for most GNOME sources19:07
seb128it doesn't clean, just start again at make and what follows19:07
pittiI usually use debuild -us -uc -b -nc19:07
seb128but that doesn't work on unity, annoying!19:07
pitti-nc -> "no clean"19:07
pittiit's so incredibly useful, I call this "dreb" in an alias :)19:08
seb128doesn't work in unity either19:09
seb128yours is probably similar to "debuild binary"19:09
seb128which is what I use usually19:09
seb128unity is using cmake though, I guess it's another cmake stupidity (hate cmake)19:09
dobeypitti: ^ one down19:15
pittidobey: can you upload yourself, or want me to sponsor?19:17
dobeypitti: if i could upload, i would have done so instead of making a merge proposal :)19:18
dobeyi don't have perms for ubuntu-sso-client, or ubuntuone-control-panel, so they will need sponsored19:18
pittidobey: merged/pushed/uploaded, thanks!19:19
dobeyneed to get that ubuntuone package set setup19:19
seb128bah, it's annoying that packaging tools can figure a way to include binaries update in the diff they generate19:21
dobeypitti: oh; do you know if twisted has been fixed for this already? it has reactors that use the glib/gtk main loops and might cause some issues?19:22
seb128unity trunk got some icon updates19:22
seb128it's easy to bzr merge the revision19:22
pittidobey: that's indeed causing trouble with the test suite, when using GI in them; that's why I didn't port the tests19:22
seb128but the packaging tools don't manage to make a diff of it19:22
dobeypitti: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/oneiric/ubuntuone-control-panel/release-113/+merge/72945 is ready now :)19:40
dobeypitti: and ubuntuone-client, i will upload directly since i can19:40
pittidobey: oh, doesn't -client need to go first?19:40
seb128dobey, pitti: if one of you upload that one can you check why its desktop doesn't use dh_translations or equivalent19:41
seb128i.e it doesn't have its translations stripped not a gettext domain19:41
seb128(I built a list of those today and it's on it)19:41
seb128cyphermox, ^ nm-applet is on that list as well19:41
dobeyseb128: control-panel is?19:41
pittiseb128: can we figure this out after beta?19:42
seb128$ grep Gettext ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop19:42
cyphermoxseb128: ok19:42
pitti# langpack.mk is relevant on Ubuntu only, not Debian; it does not matter if it's missing19:42
pitti-include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/langpack.mk19:42
seb128pitti, yeah for sure, I though it would just be adding one line to the rules and could go in the same upload19:42
pittiseb128: ^ that would be it19:42
pittiit doesn't exist any more19:42
pittiI'll add dh_translations19:43
seb128pitti, sorry fo adding work on the beta day19:43
seb128I will come tomorrow with the other ones19:43
dobeypitti: should i do it?19:43
pittidobey: I'm on it19:43
dobeypitti: i can make it use pure dh real quick19:43
dobeyi thought it already did19:43
dobeybut alas it doesn't19:44
dobeyoh well19:44
pittidobey: for u-client?19:44
pittiI'm currently test-building control-panel with the fix19:44
dobeypitti: for ubuntuone-control-panel19:44
dobeywhat is the fix?19:45
pittigimme a minute to test19:45
pittiback (just saying good night to my wife)19:48
seb128mterry, "funny bug" there19:48
* mterry hopes this is the setup to a joke19:48
seb128mterry, it happened twice this week so I think there is a bug (I'm running the current lightdm with your fixes from yesterday)19:49
pittidobey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/674762/ usually19:49
seb128mterry, got a "lightdm" locked screen over my user session when coming back from dinner19:49
pittibut it seems that doesn't work with -gtk19:49
seb128mterry, I think I closed the lid when going to dinner19:49
mterryseb128, interesting.  And you couldn't get back in because lightdm doesn't have a password?19:50
seb128mterry, indeed, I get the locking screen with no input password19:51
seb128it was animating out and back on screen at every key press19:51
pittiseb128: ah, for control-panel, did that ever work?19:52
mterryseb128, seems bad19:52
pittiseb128: I don't think it's clever enough to figure out the domain from the build system19:52
pittidobey: ^ FYI19:52
pittiat this point, I punt this to post-beta19:52
seb128pitti, oh, I don't know, I just grepped in the installed desktop to figure which ones don't have a domain19:52
seb128pitti, yeah, don't bother, I've a list I will open bugs tomorrow19:52
seb128pitti, "post-beta", means we can't fix those tomorrow?19:53
pittiseb128: we can19:53
seb128I was hopping tomorrow would be a good day for remaining ftbfses and a few of those19:53
pittiI mean "post the crazyness that is going on right now"19:53
seb128pitti, ok, great19:53
kenvandinedamn... my gwibber upload keeps stalling!19:54
pittidobey: merged/pushed/uploaded19:54
* kenvandine hates his isp right now19:54
pittigo, mterry, go!19:54
mterrypitti, :)19:55
* mterry notes that now, simply logging in will not cause crash reports19:55
pittimterry: wow19:55
kenvandinemterry, awesome!19:55
pittithis morning I still got about 5 or so19:55
pittimterry: did the greeter stop spawning an insane number of processes now?19:56
mterrypitti, you mean spawning and leaving?19:56
cyphermoxevo-rss ftbfs/nbs/uninstallability almost done fixing :)19:56
mterrypitti, it might still spawn a few19:56
pittimterry: yes, that19:56
mterrythey just don't crash19:56
pittimterry: also, it spawns a lot of stuff that it shouldn't in the first place19:56
mterrypitti, but they all shut down when logging in now, yes19:56
seb128mterry, thanks for backporting those fixes ;-)19:56
dobeypitti: ok, cheers!19:57
mterrypitti, really, the extra spawned stuff it shouldn't are all indicator bugs that should be doing less when INDICATOR_GREETER_MODE is on.  simply a matter of hunting each down19:57
mterryAck!  lightdm process are sticking around again19:58
* mterry bets the patch got dropped from packaging; it's not upstream yet19:58
seb128chrisccoulson_, how busy are you? ;-)20:00
seb128chrisccoulson_, ok, randomly asking in case somebody is interesting in making xdg-open not try to use gnome-open when not installed20:03
seb128is there anyone interested by working on that?20:03
* jdstrand looks curiously at his name being displayed as '[Invalid UTF-8]' with the new indicator updates...20:04
kenvandinejdstrand, already fixed :)20:04
seb128jdstrand, should be fixed in .120:04
kenvandineuploaded about 30m ago20:04
jdstrandhey, since people are listening to me: what happened to the applications menu that was in the launcher?20:05
seb128jdstrand, the icon starting the place (lens)?20:05
chrisccoulson_hi seb12820:05
chrisccoulson_sorry, just popped away to do some exercise!20:05
jdstrandseb128: yeah-- I had two: 'Applications' and 'Files & Folders'20:06
chrisccoulson_don't laugh ;)20:06
kenvandinejdstrand, in the dash now20:06
kenvandinelook at the bottom of the dash20:06
seb128chrisccoulson_, I read "to drink some guinness" don't worry ;-)20:06
chrisccoulson_heh :)20:06
chrisccoulson_i wish!20:06
jdstrandkenvandine: ah-- see, before today's update, that stuff wasn't working for me :)20:06
jdstrandso I thought they just disappeared20:07
seb128jdstrand, you will get back keybindigns for direct access as well20:07
seb128jdstrand, you are on a small screen?20:07
jdstrandactually no20:07
seb128well anyway if it's fixed great ;-)20:07
jdstrandpretty big screen (external monitor)20:07
seb128they were out of the screen on my nb which has 1024x60020:07
seb128well dunno then but it's fixed it's not worth bothering ;-)20:07
jdstrandit was that I would click them and nothing happen. stuff is happening now, so that is good20:08
seb128great ;-)20:08
seb128so does anyone know an easy way to include binary updates in a package revision?20:09
kenvandineoh yeah, they didn't start loading data until you typed in the search20:09
kenvandinethat was annoying :)20:09
seb128easy mean "not using uuencode or equivalent"20:09
seb128jdstrand, oh right, what kenvandine said, you needed to type something in the text entry to have then getting content20:09
pittiseb128: format 3.0-quilt should work?20:09
seb128pitti, no it doesn't20:09
pittiseb128: put it into debian/local/ or so20:09
seb128pitti, does it work for out of the debian dir files? why isn't it doing it for me? ;-)20:10
pittiseb128: no, just for debian/20:10
pittiyou can't put binary data into patches/20:10
pittiand v3 only has debian/20:10
chrisccoulson_seb128, what's using xdg-open btw?20:10
seb128pitti, it's not patch, I want to bzr merge lp:unity and they had an icon update20:11
pittiseb128: put them into debian/local/ and cp them to the source tree in rules?20:11
pittiseb128: make a new orig.tar.gz?20:11
seb128pitti, yeah, can do, it just sucks :p20:11
seb128pitti, I will do that I guess20:11
pittiseb128: unity_4.8.2+bzr123.orig.tar.bz2 ?20:11
seb128pitti, yeah, that I can do, I was just wondering if there was an easier way20:12
pittiseb128: no, I'm afraid not; v1; uuencode, v3: debian/, that's it20:12
seb128pitti, thanks for confirming, that's what I though20:13
pittiseb128: oh, with v3 there's also another way20:13
pittiseb128: you can have multiple orig tarballs20:13
chrisccoulson_this is why i'm glad the new thunderbird icons are all svg's, else i would have had your problem yesterday ;)20:13
chrisccoulson_for lots of files20:13
pittibut I think they will be unpacked into subdirs, so that doesn't help too much (then debian/ would work, too)20:13
seb128I will redo a tarball I think20:14
seb128chrisccoulson_, btw you don't reply, how busy are you? ;-)20:14
chrisccoulson_seb128, i can probably look at xdg-open ;)20:14
dobeypitti: and ubuntuone-client uploaded now :)20:15
pittidobey: yay you20:15
pittidobey: too bad that ubiquity spoiled the fun :/20:15
dobeypitti: well at least ubuntuone will mostly work20:15
ricotzseb128, you could put them in place where they belong in the source tree, look how plymouth does that20:15
chrisccoulson_seb128, oh, do you have gvfs-bin installed?20:16
ricotzseb128, with debian/source/include-binaries20:16
seb128chrisccoulson_, thanks20:16
seb128chrisccoulson_, no20:17
chrisccoulson_seb128, it actually tries to use gvfs-open, and then falls back to gnome-open20:17
seb128chrisccoulson_, it's trying gvs-open first and then gnome-open?20:17
chrisccoulson_we need to seed gvfs-bin20:17
seb128we should make xdg-utils recommends gvfs-bin?20:17
chrisccoulson_seb128, i think it suggests it. i'm not sure how a recommends will affect other DE's though20:17
chrisccoulson_yeah, it just suggests it currently20:18
pittiXFCE is using gvfs these days, but KDE certainly doesn't20:18
seb128let's get gvfs recommends gvfs-bin?20:19
chrisccoulson_yeah, i guess that would work too20:19
seb128or xdg-utils recommends gvfs-bin | kde-equivalent20:19
pittigvfs recommends: gvfs-bin sounds less intrusive at this point?20:19
seb128works for me20:20
chrisccoulson_yeah, sounds good20:20
seb128that will fix the unity trash icon doing nothing on the default install20:20
seb128seem they use xdg-open20:20
seb128it's likely going to fix other issues as well20:21
chrisccoulson_and they also look in the wrong place for the default mail client ;)20:21
seb128chrisccoulson_, yeah, that's where I hit the issue20:21
chrisccoulson_the last time i started a guest session, the dash showed evolution as default, but the message menu showed thunderbird20:21
seb128debugging on my test machine20:21
chrisccoulson_is there a bug for that already?20:21
seb128xsession-errors has quite some" xdg-open: gnome-open: not found"20:21
chrisccoulson_can we stop using that?20:22
seb128chrisccoulson_, bug #80439720:22
ubot2Launchpad bug 804397 in xdg-utils "xdg-open depends on gnome-open, but it's not on the CD" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80439720:22
chrisccoulson_surely there's no need to use that20:22
seb128we probably can but that's not going to happen tonight20:22
seb128we should still fix xdg-open anyway20:22
chrisccoulson_i'm going to end up writing a patch to remove all use of xdg-open!20:22
chrisccoulson_yeah, it should still work :)20:22
seb128so getting gvfs-open on the CD is right20:22
pittigood night everyone!20:24
seb128'night pitti20:24
pittiI'm not going to solve the ubiquity crash in 30 mins20:25
seb128pitti, oh, and stop working 19 hours a day! :p20:25
pittiyeah, that'd help, too..20:25
* pitti waves, good luck with the remaining 30 mins :)20:25
seb128pitti, thanks, have a good night20:25
kenvandinegood night pitti20:26
GunnarHjpitti: Just wanted to check, considering that UIFreeze/BetaFreeze happens in a few minutes. I think it's important that https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/gnome-control-center/langfix/+merge/72792 is included in b1. Is it ok that rodrigo_ does it tomorrow?20:30
GunnarHjpitti: Never mind, missed that you waved good night.20:32
seb128GunnarHj, yeah, tomorrow should be ok20:34
seb128GunnarHj, that seems closer from a bug fix than from an ui redesign anyway20:34
GunnarHjseb128: Thanks! Agree. Was about to ask you, but you came first. :)20:34
seb128brb, session restart20:35
chrisccoulson_hah - http://blog.mozilla.com/metrics/2011/08/25/20:38
chrisccoulson_i wish we had a similar way to gather hard data like that ;)20:38
chrisccoulson_but i bet you all turn off test pilot!20:38
seb128chrisccoulson_, btw can we get http:// back in the urlbar ? ;-)20:39
chrisccoulson_seb128, no ;)20:39
seb128dunno who decided to drop it but that's a stupid move20:40
chrisccoulson_i think there is a pref actually20:40
chrisccoulson_why do you miss it?20:40
seb128because I keep copying urls to emails and bug report that don't get highlighted20:40
mdeslaurchrisccoulson_: watch them remove ctrl-f by using that metric as justification20:40
seb128nor working on click20:40
chrisccoulson_seb128, you mean copying URL's from the addressbar?20:40
chrisccoulson_that should actually include the protocol when you copy20:40
chrisccoulson_if it doesn't, then it's a bug20:40
chrisccoulson_that's definitely the intended behaviour20:41
chrisccoulson_(ie, protocol is hidden, but it's copied if you copy the url from the addressbar)20:41
seb128chrisccoulson_, ok, I got a few cases when it didn't work20:41
chrisccoulson_yeah, it works here20:41
chrisccoulson_were you copying partial url's?20:41
chrisccoulson_oh, even that works here20:42
seb128no, that works as well20:42
seb128dunno, I will tell you if that happens again20:42
seb128chrisccoulson_, oh, I know20:43
seb128chrisccoulson_, I do type a few words, i.e "oneir", key down in the combo and ctrl-C20:43
seb128that doesn't work20:43
seb128like I wanted to copy the etherpad url without opening it20:43
seb128it's a fail20:43
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chrisccoulson_ah, ok20:45
chrisccoulson_i'm not sure how it would handle that, unless you type the protocol too20:45
stgraberhmm, I "think" I found a bug, unless I just changed name and am now called "[Invalid UTF-8]" ;)20:48
ricotzDBO, somehow i still got this crash, i dont really know how to get into this state -- i looked a bit around and changed this http://paste.debian.net/plain/12741320:48
stgraberindicator-session doesn't seem to like utf-8 ;) checking if system is up to date20:48
DBOricotz, and that makes a difference?20:49
kenvandinestgraber, it is fixed20:49
ricotzDBO, cant say since it is hard to reproduce :\20:50
DBOricotz, I really doubt that makes a difference20:50
stgraberkenvandine: ok, still on 0.3.3 here. thanks!20:50
seb128chrisccoulson, that sucks :p20:50
seb128chrisccoulson, I'm switching to chrome!20:50
ricotzDBO, the crash is happening for me on freeing priv->path (bamf-view.c:549)20:51
chrisccoulsonseb128, hah, chrome hides it too :P20:51
DBOricotz looking in a second20:51
seb128chrisccoulson, ok, I'm switching to ie!20:52
seb128I'm sure epiphany doesn't do it ;-)20:52
DBOricotz, somehow priv->path is getting free'd externally...20:56
DBOthough Im sure you figured that out...20:57
DBOsorry still playing catch up :)20:57
ricotzDBO, probably, so i was thinking gdbus is crashing or messing with it somehow20:57
kenvandineseb128, ok... so since rb already has a breaks for the music store... i should add a conflcts to make sure that upgraders definitely get it removed before rb gets updated?20:57
seb128kenvandine, no, one should be enough20:58
kenvandinethis was added  before ted had the failed upgrade20:59
DBOricotz, I guess thats possible, let me know if you think it's fixed20:59
kenvandinemaybe he had some weird combination or something20:59
ricotzDBO, if that is the case there are other places with dbus related methodes using the priv->... strings20:59
DBOthats kinda why I dont think this is the case21:00
DBOyou know what this could be21:00
DBOa screwed up slice allocator21:00
micahgcyphermox: thanks for the pidgin upload before beta :)21:03
ricotzDBO, would be easy to confirm if i know what triggers it :(21:05
DBOricotz, heisenbug21:05
ricotzDBO, might be caused by restarting the windowmanager21:05
DBOdont do that?21:05
ricotzand other things21:05
DBOthings you shouldn't do:21:06
DBOanything that makes my code crash21:06
DBOthe end21:06
ricotzthis isnt a intentional restart, sometimes gnome-shell wants to crash ;)21:07
ricotzDBO, but this could mess around with bamfdaemon, i guess21:07
DBOdo you only see this with GNOME Shell?21:08
DBObecause it does silly things21:08
ricotzDBO, i think the elementary guys seeing it too21:09
DBOwith what WM?21:09
ricotzso not this strictly related to g-s21:09
DBOI am more thinking mutter21:09
ricotzi think metacity21:09
ricotzgnome-shell is mutter, there is no separate process anymore21:10
ricotzi mean it isnt a plugin anymore21:11
ricotzDBO, i think another trigger of this crash is the bamf-trigger of dpkg -- bamf index update21:15
ricotzbut i dont have a trace of it21:16
ricotzit is really a heisenbug21:16
chrisccoulsonseb128, want to sponsor a glib upload (for bug 829778)?21:22
ubot2Launchpad bug 829778 in glib2.0 "Breaks everything because of an API break in glib" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82977821:22
seb128kenvandine, ^21:23
seb128can you do?21:23
seb128chrisccoulson, I'm trying to get an unity bug fix upload out before skaet lock the archive :p21:23
chrisccoulsonheh, sure, no problem :)21:24
chrisccoulsoni've pushed it to bzr anyway21:24
seb128chrisccoulson, will do later otherwise, you real need to apply for upload rights btw ;-)21:25
chrisccoulsonseb128, won't i end up with more work to do if i do that? ;)21:26
seb128no, less seeking for a sponsor rather ;-)21:26
brycehseb128, offset by others asking you to sponsor stuff ;-)21:27
kenvandineseb128, i can try21:27
seb128bah, I'm not like that :p21:27
RAOFtkamppeter, seb128: Re: the standard profiles - we'd want at least the sRGB and AdobeRGB standard profiles.  I think the rest could be dropped from the CD if push came to shove.22:05
achiangdoes anyone here know how to get autologin to work after an X crash? i can't seem to make gdm do such a thing22:10
brycehachiang, you have X crashing so much?22:22
achiangbryceh: no, but i want to know how to do it. :)22:23
brycehachiang, ah good :-)22:23
brycehachiang, afaik there isn't a configuration setting for that; I suspect you'd need to dig into the code for where it detects that X has crashed and add a check for if autologin is set22:24
achiangbryceh: ah, ok. i can try that. after a bit of googling, it seems kdm has an option to re-autologin after an X crash22:25
achiangbut i couldn't find similar for gdm22:25
brycehI suspect it's not implemented; it's been a while since I dug through gdm internals though22:26
* achiang starts digging around22:28
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