| bryceh | cjwatson, nope, hadn't looked at the ubuntu-devel@ queue today | 01:31 |
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| bryceh | slangasek, you about? | 01:35 |
| slangasek | bryceh: only for a second more | 01:35 |
| bryceh | slangasek, that xvfb issue with pygtk is actually a fakeroot bug, fixed in debian 1.17-1 | 01:36 |
| bryceh | bug 829470 | 01:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 829470 in fakeroot (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Xvfb fails with empty /var/lib/xkb, causing build failures" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829470 | 01:36 |
| slangasek | oh, interesting | 01:36 |
| bryceh | slangasek, it's same as bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=630591 in debian | 01:37 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 630591 in apt "apt: apt-cache fails with current fakeroot" [Minor,Fixed] | 01:37 |
| slangasek | right, let me sync that | 01:37 |
| bryceh | awesome | 01:37 |
| DoctorPepper | hi guys !!! | 04:04 |
| DoctorPepper | as of today does ubuntu support systemd as an init system without having to recompile the kernel for cgroups support ? | 04:05 |
| RAOF | DoctorPepper: cgroups are enabled in the kernel, and I guess we've probably got Debian's systemd packages in the archive. | 04:10 |
| DoctorPepper | thanks | 04:11 |
| DoctorPepper | is the maintainer of appmenu in here ? | 04:12 |
| pitti | Good morning | 04:13 |
| DoctorPepper | pitti: good morning | 04:13 |
| pitti | slangasek: 832454> I understand how it is frustrating :/ indeed it seems we have lots of missing ddebs for these | 04:15 |
| pitti | now if only we had proper LP ddebs integration, the current hack has never been meant to even last that long :( | 04:15 |
| pitti | hey DoctorPepper | 04:15 |
| pitti | I just checked the ddeb-retriever, it's not stuck or anything | 04:16 |
| pitti | but it might be that some of the buildds are acting up, /me runs manually | 04:16 |
| pitti | sometimes the buildds time out when you try to talk to them, for several days | 04:16 |
| pitti | if it happens for more than two days, we lose ddebs | 04:17 |
| slangasek | RAOF: systemd isn't in the archive, and we definitely don't support it as an init system | 04:37 |
| slangasek | pitti: LP ddebs - yes, please :) | 04:37 |
| RAOF | slangasek: Oh, I certainly didn't mean to imply we would go so far as to *support* it; we've gone to the effort of blacklisting the sync, though? | 04:38 |
| slangasek | RAOF: you cannot run systemd as an init system on Ubuntu | 04:38 |
| slangasek | for whichever meaning of "support" you wish :) | 04:38 |
| RAOF | Just out of curiosity, what prevents that? | 04:39 |
| slangasek | the fact that all of our startup is done with native upstart jobs | 04:39 |
| pitti | I actually had a 10.10 system running with the systemd PPA packages | 04:39 |
| RAOF | I mean, apart from the bunch of packages that have native upstart scripts. | 04:39 |
| pitti | that PPA has a package to provide some missing ones | 04:39 |
| slangasek | that bunch of packages is pretty much the default Ubuntu install :) | 04:39 |
| RAOF | Ah. Just the bunch of packages with native upstart scripts? Oh, things like mountall probably don't get systemded, either. | 04:40 |
| pitti | RAOF: mountall isn't necessary with systemd | 04:40 |
| RAOF | So, as long as you rewrote a bunch of init scripts, it'd work :) | 04:40 |
| pitti | actually, most of the early startup is already done by systemd itself | 04:40 |
| pitti | the scary thing is that it sucks in more and more of the boot/system services stuff | 04:41 |
| pitti | it's like a "liblinux" now | 04:41 |
| pitti | so it doesn't require (and doesn't actually allow) a lot of configuration or script tweaking | 04:41 |
| pitti | which makes it easy for trying out, but rather hard as an admin to customize | 04:41 |
| * slangasek nods | 04:45 | |
| sgnb | infinity: type-conv needs to be rebuilt as well | 06:03 |
| infinity | sgnb: I noticed that, due to the dep-wait. Building now. | 06:22 |
| infinity | sgnb: The segv on powerpc in https://launchpadlibrarian.net/78022053/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-powerpc.ocaml-extunix_0.0.3-1build1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz is disconcerting. | 06:26 |
| * infinity retries to see if it was cosmic rays. | 06:27 | |
| nigelb | Or an unfortunate alignment of the planets ;) | 06:27 |
| infinity | Moon phase, etc, yes. | 06:27 |
| sgnb | infinity: it happens also in Debian, see http://caml.inria.fr/mantis/view.php?id=5334 | 06:36 |
| sgnb | I'm planning to disable this test on armel and powerpc | 06:37 |
| infinity | sgnb: Disabling the test seems like the wrong fix. :P | 06:38 |
| sgnb | infinity: feel free to submit a proper fix | 06:40 |
| sgnb | backtrace() seems an esoteric feature enough to me | 06:41 |
| sgnb | (I mean, for exotic architectures such as powerpc) | 06:42 |
| infinity | sgnb: PowerPC isn't that exotic. :P | 06:42 |
| infinity | sgnb: But I also have no interest in fixing it, so.. :) | 06:42 |
| sgnb | infinity: ocaml-data-notation failed because of type-conv | 06:59 |
| infinity | sgnb: I know. :) | 07:04 |
| infinity | sgnb: Waiting for the type-conv binaries to be published and I'll retry it. | 07:04 |
| infinity | sgnb: Any interest in feeding me a fixed ocaml-extunix? | 07:07 |
| sgnb | I'll upload one to Debian... but it's not urgent (no reverse-dependencies) | 07:09 |
| infinity | Shiny. That's what I needed to know. | 07:09 |
| infinity | Just poke me to sync it sometime, then. | 07:09 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:20 |
| makara | if I install Ocelot Alpha, will the automatic updates bring it up to the full release in October, or will I have to download that CD again? | 07:37 |
| infinity | makara: -> #ubuntu | 07:43 |
| makara | k | 07:43 |
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| doko | pitti, sqlite ping ... | 09:53 |
| pitti | doko: pong | 09:53 |
| pitti | --verbose? | 09:53 |
| doko | pitti: what is left to demote it? | 09:54 |
| * pitti checkrdepends | 09:54 | |
| pitti | -- oneiric/main amd64 deps on libsqlite0: | 09:55 |
| pitti | php5-sqlite | 09:55 |
| pitti | -- oneiric/main build deps on libsqlite0-dev: | 09:55 |
| pitti | bacula | 09:55 |
| pitti | libdbi-drivers | 09:55 |
| pitti | doko: nothing in main depends on php5-sqlite except for php5-dbg | 09:56 |
| pitti | so in theory it could be split out of the source | 09:56 |
| pitti | Bacula looks weird, it b-deps on both libsqlite0-dev and libsqlite3-dev | 09:57 |
| pitti | Daviey: ^ do you guys still care about bacula? | 09:57 |
| pitti | if not, perhaps it could just be demoted? | 09:57 |
| pitti | libdbi-drivers presumably needs it to build libdbd-sqlite, but it also builds libdbd-sqlite3 | 09:58 |
| zyga | mvo: hi | 09:58 |
| mvo | hey zyga | 09:59 |
| doko | well, that could be built in universe too | 09:59 |
| zyga | mvo: I started merging a few patches and hit a wall with broken i18n support | 09:59 |
| zyga | mvo: would you mind looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~zkrynicki/command-not-found/rework-locale-support/+merge/72848 | 09:59 |
| zyga | mvo: this is my attempt to fix them | 09:59 |
| pitti | doko: frankly, I'd just drop it from dbi-drivers | 10:00 |
| pitti | doko: libdbd-sqlite has exactly one rdepends in universe | 10:00 |
| pitti | interchange-cat-standard | 10:00 |
| pitti | which has alternative dependencies | 10:00 |
| mvo | zyga: sure, I will do after lunch | 10:00 |
| zyga | mvo: thanks | 10:01 |
| pitti | doko: so, I think the hardest one is php5-sqlite | 10:02 |
| pitti | dbi-drivers is easy to fix, and for bacula it should be possible to drop the b-dep (let's see whether server team still cares) | 10:02 |
| doko | pitti, sounds like a plan | 10:19 |
| Daviey | pitti: Where are you seeing bacula showing up? I don't see it on c-m's? | 10:24 |
| pitti | Daviey: it doesn't show up in reports, we'd just like to get rid of sqlite for good | 10:31 |
| Daviey | pitti: but keep sqlite3? | 10:31 |
| pitti | yes | 10:32 |
| Daviey | pitti: Super, Yes - i am happy for Bacula to be demoted. It's not recieving the attention it probably deserves. | 10:32 |
| Daviey | times like this popcon by default for devel release would be handy to find out if anyone has actually tried it! | 10:34 |
| seb128 | ev, do you know if anyone is working on updating the ubiquity slideshow for oneiric? | 10:35 |
| cjwatson | 11:12 <CIA-18> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r360 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ (12 files in 12 dirs): Bump version strings to 11.10. | 10:37 |
| cjwatson | 11:16 <CIA-18> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r361 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 41 | 10:37 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, right, still it lists evolution as being our email client | 10:38 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, that's this upload which made me think about it ;-) I noticed recently the content was still not updated | 10:39 |
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| wildfire | hi, who can do a stable release update request for bug #817119 ? | 11:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 817119 in pidgin (Ubuntu) "Receiving a video chat invite from Google Talk crashes Pidgin." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/817119 | 11:00 |
| wildfire | who is able to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates to indicate that 'mere mortals' can not nominate a bug for SRU | 11:08 |
| wildfire | apparently it is an immutable page | 11:08 |
| pitti | wildfire: everyone can nominate | 11:08 |
| wildfire | pitti: no they can not | 11:09 |
| pitti | well, only few people can actually accept the task | 11:09 |
| wildfire | please see: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/140509 | 11:09 |
| pitti | maybe nomination is limited as well | 11:09 |
| pitti | actually that's good news -- nominations are fairly useless | 11:10 |
| wildfire | pitti: well, good news for developers, I guess | 11:10 |
| wildfire | frustrating for users | 11:10 |
| wildfire | particularly when the process is described so throughly, and is so throughly wrong | 11:11 |
| pitti | not any more frustrating than nominating it and then never see anything happen | 11:11 |
| pitti | merely asking "I want this fixed" isn't magically going to make it happen | 11:11 |
| pitti | but in general, subscribing ubuntu-sru with an explanation why this is SRU worthy also works, and doesn't need nomination | 11:12 |
| pitti | or even better, uploading a fix :) | 11:12 |
| pitti | wildfire: that page isn't wrong, though -- developers can nominate | 11:12 |
| wildfire | pitti: I did not realise that the page was geared towards developers, I believed it was geared towards the people actually taking the time to report a bug and then hearing it has been fixed in a later version -- and that if the reporter wanted the bug fixed in that stable version, that was the process to follow | 11:14 |
| wildfire | pitti: care to update it to clarify that the audience is people who are both bug reporters and developers? | 11:14 |
| pitti | no, perhaps this should be clarified then | 11:14 |
| pitti | this is for people who want to do an SRU, not like to see a bug fixed | 11:15 |
| pitti | do you have a proposal how to clarify this? | 11:15 |
| pitti | e. g. append "This page describes the process for developers." to the first paragraph? | 11:15 |
| poolie | o/ wildfire | 11:24 |
| wildfire | pitti, poolie: I'd have: "If you would like to request a SRU and you are not a developer, please follow the procedure outlined at StabelReleaseUpdateRequest. This page documents the process for developers completing SRU requests." | 11:26 |
| poolie | good idea | 11:26 |
| wildfire | You can make the SRURequest page a blank wiki link and it can be filled in later on | 11:26 |
| poolie | there has been a lot of churn in the past because with so many users to developers any popular bug will get requests, regardless of feasibility or availability of effort to do it | 11:27 |
| pitti | well, there's not much to write there -- find a developer to fix it | 11:27 |
| poolie | as pitti says people just saying "i want this fixed" | 11:27 |
| wildfire | poolie, pitti: is the issue that the requests are invalid, or there is not enough time / developers to do it? | 11:29 |
| wildfire | I think there are different ways to address things depending on what is the main problem with requests | 11:30 |
| wildfire | if the former, you can suggest that a 'power user' (perhaps an MOTU? althougth aiui they don't exist anymore), should nominate things | 11:30 |
| StevenK | MOTU do still exist | 11:30 |
| wildfire | if the later, make triaging an SRU request part of the application process | 11:31 |
| wildfire | StevenK: OK, good to know - I was under the impression with fine-grained upload permissions, that someone who could upload an package into 'universe' or 'multiverse' was a thing of the past | 11:31 |
| poolie | in this case obviously there is an apparently working fix for it | 11:33 |
| poolie | if they make a merge proposal into the relevant branch that should fix it off | 11:34 |
| poolie | wildfire: i think the issue (which doesn't apply to this bug in particular) in general is a bit of both | 11:34 |
| pitti | wildfire: MOTUs are in the ubuntu-bugcontrol team and can nominate, yes | 11:34 |
| geser | wildfire: as 'universe' and 'multiverse' still exist we need MOTU to take care of it and even after that we need MOTU to take care of the packages that nobody takes care of | 11:35 |
| janimo | is Keybuk around this channel these days? Alternately is there any other public venue I can ping him on? | 11:35 |
| pitti | janimo: in principle yes, but only scarcely | 11:35 |
| janimo | I have ureadahead related questions but would rather not mail him personally | 11:35 |
| pitti | janimo: during European evening/Californian day mostly | 11:35 |
| pitti | janimo: mail should work fine | 11:36 |
| janimo | pitti, thanks, I'll keep an eye on him showing up :) | 11:36 |
| pitti | cjwatson: argh, just got a reject for my libivgraimpex upload | 11:36 |
| pitti | cjwatson: anyway, thanks for fixing it, too! | 11:36 |
| pitti | seems the bug assignment had a mid-air collision in LP | 11:37 |
| wildfire | poolie: maybe there should be a 'good SRU nominator' flag for people who consistently suggest good candidates for SRUs? | 11:37 |
| poolie | that's an interesting idea | 11:38 |
| poolie | or maybe more generally people who can't upload but who can be trusted to triage | 11:38 |
| poolie | (or is that already ~ubuntu-bugcontrol?) | 11:38 |
| poolie | perhaps ideally it would go off (a much better version of) karma | 11:39 |
| pitti | if these people could also dig out the corresponding patches, that'd help a lot | 11:39 |
| pitti | ScottK: oh, that was fast :) | 11:40 |
| pitti | Daviey: do you have an opinion on bug 833684? | 11:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 833684 in postgresql-9.0 (Ubuntu) "[FFE] Update PostgreSQL to 9.1, drop 9.0" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/833684 | 11:40 |
| pitti | Daviey: if you are fine with it, I can go ahead and do the syncs now | 11:40 |
| pitti | (and add the remaining package tasks to track the rdepends) | 11:41 |
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| Daviey | pitti: comment added, TL;DR +1. | 12:02 |
| cjwatson | pitti: ah, heh, oh well | 12:12 |
| cjwatson | pitti: same fix? :) | 12:12 |
| pitti | yeah | 12:12 |
| cjwatson | directhex: bug 803978 - how about mono-uia, which depends on mono-debugger? | 12:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 803978 in monodevelop-debugger-mdb (Ubuntu) "Please remove from Oneiric" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803978 | 12:30 |
| directhex | cjwatson, mono-uia depends on other things which are gone from mono. and the team behind it was laid off. Laney, didn't we file an RM request on uia*? | 12:30 |
| Laney | no | 12:31 |
| Laney | ray was/is hoping to resurrect it | 12:31 |
| Laney | but if removed, it can always be reintroduced | 12:31 |
| cjwatson | want to add a mono-uia task to that bug, then? | 12:32 |
| pitti | doko, Daviey: I'm touching bacula anyway for psql 9.1; while I'm at it, I'll also drop bacula-director-sqlite (no rdepends) and the sqlite2 dep | 12:33 |
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| pitti | bacula-director-sqlite is a migration package, and we have carried it long enough (it's in lucid) | 12:33 |
| pitti | so there's an upgrade path | 12:34 |
| doko | \o/ | 12:34 |
| Daviey | pitti: why didn't we drop it post lucid? | 12:35 |
| pitti | Daviey: I don't know | 12:35 |
| pitti | well, we do now | 12:35 |
| Daviey | We do a crappy job at transitional package planning :) | 12:38 |
| Daviey | I have NFI what ones we can drop after the next LTS. | 12:39 |
| pitti | well, in most cases it doesn't really hurt to have them around longer than necessary | 12:39 |
| pitti | but we stumble over them when we try to remove cruft | 12:39 |
| Daviey | I still wonder how many people installed mysql-server-5.X directly rather than mysql-server, and lost their upgrade path. | 12:42 |
| nigelb | Daviey: dear god. | 12:44 |
| nigelb | we're supposed to isntall mysql-server? | 12:44 |
| Daviey | nigelb: shutt'it | 12:44 |
| * nigelb always did 5.X | 12:45 | |
| nigelb | :( | 12:45 |
| tseliot | pitti: can you approve nvidia-graphics-drivers-96 in bug #741930 and nvidia-common in bug #825259 (both in natty-proposed), please? (I did what RAOF and slangasek requested) | 12:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 741930 in NVIDIA Drivers Ubuntu "[natty] nvidia binary packages for older cards - dependencies not met" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/741930 | 12:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 825259 in nvidia-common (Ubuntu Natty) "File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/NvidiaDetector/nvidiadetector.py", line 87, in __get_value_from_name v = int(name) - ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '173-updates'" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/825259 | 12:46 |
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| ximion | hi! I'm currently working on bug 831271 , an FTBFS because of multiarch-support... | 13:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 831271 in libqt4pas (Ubuntu Oneiric) "libqt4pas version 2.1Qt4.5.3-5 failed to build in oneiric" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831271 | 13:02 |
| ximion | why does debhelper install the library into multiarch paths even if this packages does NOT enable multiarch? | 13:02 |
| pitti | Daviey, doko: bacula uploaded, sqlite2 -= 1 | 13:02 |
| pitti | doko: php5 looks strange -- it only b-deps on libsqlite3-dev, not on 0-dev, and yet php5-sqlite binary-depends on it | 13:03 |
| Daviey | pitti: \o/ | 13:03 |
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| debfx | ximion: qmake installs the libraries into the multiarch path | 13:16 |
| ximion | debfx: good to know... I'm converting this package to multiarch right now, so this problem should go away | 13:22 |
| ximion | is this qmake change an upstream change or a Debian change? | 13:22 |
| ximion | if it's Debian, it would have been nice if it would've been activated on multiarch packages only. | 13:23 |
| ximion | I guess this package is not the only one which FTBFS now | 13:23 |
| tseliot | pitti: ^^^ | 13:25 |
| pitti | tseliot: erm, what, qmake, what? | 13:25 |
| tseliot | pitti: I wrote you about my packages in natty-proposed | 13:26 |
| tseliot | pitti: (at 02:46) | 13:26 |
| tseliot | pitti: or I can copy and paste the message if you prefer | 13:27 |
| pitti | tseliot: hm, here? I don't see it | 13:27 |
| pitti | tseliot: if you can re-paste in /msg, that'd be appreciated | 13:27 |
| tseliot | pitti: can you approve nvidia-graphics-drivers-96 in bug #741930 and nvidia-common in bug #825259 (both in natty-proposed), please? (I did what RAOF and slangasek requested) | 13:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 741930 in NVIDIA Drivers Ubuntu "[natty] nvidia binary packages for older cards - dependencies not met" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/741930 | 13:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 825259 in nvidia-common (Ubuntu Natty) "File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/NvidiaDetector/nvidiadetector.py", line 87, in __get_value_from_name v = int(name) - ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '173-updates'" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/825259 | 13:27 |
| tseliot | oh, sorry, you said in /msg | 13:28 |
| pitti | tseliot: yep, I'll get to it; doing SRU review right now | 13:28 |
| tseliot | pitti: great, thanks | 13:28 |
| pitti | mterry: rejecting your p-distutils-extra SRU, no bug ref in changelog | 13:30 |
| pitti | mterry: you can reupload with -v to include the previous chagnelog | 13:31 |
| mterry | pitti, ah, whoops. OK | 13:31 |
| pitti | tseliot: why was the debconf bit disabled? | 13:36 |
| pitti | SpamapS: FYI, can't accept mdadm natty-proposed; it's already in -proposed, and bug 778520 is v-failed | 13:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 778520 in mdadm (Ubuntu Natty) "install on degraded raid1 does not boot, drops to initramfs shell" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/778520 | 13:40 |
| tseliot | pitti: because there can be nasty interactions when dist-upgrading and it's obsolete anyway | 13:41 |
| pitti | tseliot: ok | 13:41 |
| debfx | ximion: it's a configure option of Qt | 13:48 |
| debfx | ximion: Debian hasn't converted Qt for multiarch (yet) | 13:48 |
| ximion | debfx: ah, okay :) | 13:50 |
| SpamapS | pitti: oops I forgot to mention that the new upload actually fixes the regression that caused 778520 to fail | 14:01 |
| pitti | SpamapS: ah, can you then please reupload with -v to include the previous changelog? | 14:02 |
| pitti | SpamapS: I rejected your current upload, so you can re-use the version number | 14:02 |
| SpamapS | pitti: sure, I thought that was only necessary if it had actually been removed. | 14:02 |
| pitti | SpamapS: no, it needs to have all chagnelogs which have been piling up in -proposed until it gets into -updates | 14:03 |
| SpamapS | pitti: alright, re-uploaded with full changelog | 14:09 |
| mterry | ev, you around? I think the recent live cd problems are ubiquity problems | 14:15 |
| ev | mterry: which ones, specifically? | 14:19 |
| mterry | ev, sorry, the one where X doesn't come up | 14:20 |
| mterry | ev, seems to be a gir problem in ubiquity-dm | 14:20 |
| mterry | GdkPixbuf.render_pixmap_and_mask isn't being found | 14:20 |
| ev | ah indeed, that's definitely on my list | 14:21 |
| ev | just sorting out the unicode issues in usersetup and friends first | 14:21 |
| cjwatson | mterry: bug 830892 | 14:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 830892 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "ubiquity-dm crashed with AttributeError in run(): 'Pixbuf' object has no attribute 'render_pixmap_and_mask' (dup-of: 830061)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830892 | 14:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 830061 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "ubiquity-dm crashed with AttributeError in run(): 'Pixbuf' object has no attribute 'render_pixmap_and_mask'" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830061 | 14:22 |
| cjwatson | (dup, but it has my first non-working sketch at a fix ...) | 14:22 |
| mdeslaur | slangasek, infinity: does this look sane to you? http://paste.ubuntu.com/674544/ | 14:23 |
| seb128 | ev, btw it's probably on your list as well but you still use gconf keys which are deprecated rather than gsettings | 14:24 |
| seb128 | just saying it as a reminder, it will create bugs for proxy and things like that if you rely on gconf | 14:25 |
| ev | okay, thanks for the reminder | 14:25 |
| mterry | cjwatson, thanks! | 14:26 |
| shnatsel | Hi everybody! I'm making an Ubuntu derivative and I'm trying to generate dependency lists using Germinate. All existing seed-based packages are limited to Ubuntu repositories; is there a way to make Germinate use several repositories, e.g. Ubuntu + PPAs? | 14:27 |
| shnatsel | s/all existing packages/all the packages I could find/ | 14:29 |
| shnatsel | I couldn't find any docs about such things, and all the examples use Ubuntu repositories only | 14:32 |
| mterry | shnatsel, I really feel like it is possible. I think I've done it before, but that was a long time ao | 14:34 |
| mterry | shnatsel, I don't remember details or where to point you, so that's useless info, sorry :-/ | 14:35 |
| doko | Daviey, will nova reach main before the beta freeze? | 14:39 |
| shnatsel | that looks like bug 571793 also | 14:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 571793 in germinate (Ubuntu) "germinate cannot check another repository with a different dist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/571793 | 14:40 |
| Daviey | doko: no | 14:41 |
| shnatsel | Ah, I've found the format but bug 634831 will kill my attempts anyway | 14:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 634831 in germinate (Ubuntu) "germinate does not support multiple repositories on the same host" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634831 | 14:41 |
| Daviey | doko: Well.. unless python-carrot can be thrown in main just to be demoted when a bug we are blocked on is satisifed. | 14:41 |
| Daviey | Or, just c-m stick on python-carrot.. either way | 14:42 |
| cjwatson | shnatsel: oh, yeah, I was going to deal with that for Oneiric | 14:54 |
| ahasenack | how do I get a verbose debian/rules file nowadays? dh_make just creates that two liner one now (%:\n\tdh $@) | 14:55 |
| shnatsel | cjwatson: so, when can one expect the patch to land? | 14:55 |
| cjwatson | shnatsel: over the next week or so | 14:55 |
| azeem | ahasenack: the longer templates are still in the dh_make package I think | 14:55 |
| cjwatson | ahasenack: dh_make -r old, but why would you want to ... | 14:56 |
| ahasenack | azeem: dpkg -L dh-make | grep rules only gave me the short ones | 14:56 |
| shnatsel | cjwatson: great, thanks! It's blocking all the fun in elementary OS ISO testing atm :( | 14:56 |
| shnatsel | (luckily we have Glimpse) | 14:56 |
| ahasenack | cjwatson: I need to customize this build a lot | 14:56 |
| ahasenack | I have 3 setup.py scripts I have to call, and produce 3 binary packages | 14:57 |
| ahasenack | hmm, no such option -r | 14:57 |
| ahasenack | I'm on lucid | 14:57 |
| ahasenack | hmm, wait | 14:58 |
| ahasenack | -r, --createorig | 14:58 |
| ahasenack | doesn't sound related | 14:58 |
| shnatsel | and`: | 14:58 |
| shnatsel | sorry | 14:58 |
| shnatsel | ahasenack: I assume you want to get a list of all the actions taken by debhelper and override some of them with custom ones, right? | 14:59 |
| ahasenack | shnatsel: right, but it's not just override, I need to insert more actions in the middle | 14:59 |
| ahasenack | shnatsel: so when overriding, I actually want to preserve what was there already and just add new things | 15:00 |
| shnatsel | ahasenack: in such cases I usually override the action with itself and some added stuff | 15:00 |
| ahasenack | shnatsel: like dh_install_override: (stuff), but how to call the original dh_install? | 15:00 |
| cjwatson | this is documented ... | 15:01 |
| cjwatson | man dh | 15:01 |
| cjwatson | YM override_dh_install: and then you can just call dh_install, it won't infinite-recurse | 15:01 |
| ahasenack | ok, that was a bad (simple) example | 15:02 |
| ahasenack | what about binary-indep: | 15:02 |
| ahasenack | it expands into a whole lot of dh_* commands | 15:02 |
| cjwatson | you don't override binary-indep en masse | 15:02 |
| cjwatson | you override individual ones | 15:02 |
| shnatsel | ahasenack: --before and --after ? | 15:02 |
| cjwatson | those are deprecated | 15:03 |
| shnatsel | oh, I have an outdated man, sorry | 15:03 |
| ahasenack | exactly, so I need to know the individual ones | 15:03 |
| shnatsel | ahasenack: that's documented | 15:03 |
| cjwatson | sure, but that's easy ... | 15:03 |
| cjwatson | and you normally only need to override the ones that are relevant to your package | 15:03 |
| shnatsel | To see what commands are included in a sequence, without actually doing | 15:03 |
| shnatsel | anything: | 15:03 |
| shnatsel | dh binary-arch --no-act | 15:03 |
| ahasenack | shnatsel: that's why I wanted a template rules file with this filled in already | 15:03 |
| cjwatson | shnatsel: http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debhelper/news/20110806T234709Z.html | 15:04 |
| cjwatson | ahasenack: I'm definitely not saying it's always easy, and there are cases where using the minimal rules file is more effort than it's worth; so far your case doesn't sound like one of those, though | 15:05 |
| ahasenack | cjwatson: I need to basically loop over three setup.py, located in three different directories. For some reason, upstream chose to have everything in one branch, but they distribute 3 separate tarballs | 15:06 |
| ahasenack | cjwatson: and I want to build from this branch | 15:06 |
| cjwatson | so override dh_auto_build and dh_auto_install | 15:06 |
| cjwatson | that's all it takes to do that | 15:06 |
| ahasenack | cjwatson: ok,I will see what other actions dh_auto_build and dh_auto_install do, so I can preserve them where appropriate and insert my own | 15:07 |
| shnatsel | gtg; cjwatson, thanks for your help! | 15:07 |
| cjwatson | dh_auto_build is a generic per-buildsystem equivalent of 'make' and dh_auto_install is a generic equivalent of 'make install' | 15:08 |
| cjwatson | if you still want a better dh_make then it might be worth just grabbing the dh-make package from oneiric | 15:09 |
| ahasenack | I guess I need to look at an example with multiple binary packages and just using overrides in rules | 15:11 |
| ahasenack | no "expanded" rules file | 15:11 |
| dholbach | pitti, does the work item tracker add bugs that are linked to blueprints as work items? | 15:12 |
| apw | ogasawara, just a heads up i've just discovered we didn't make a WI for reviewing compcache and family; came up cause its also not working as is. Have added a new WI on delta-review for it | 15:12 |
| ogasawara | apw: ack | 15:12 |
| apw | bah wrong channel | 15:12 |
| cjwatson | ahasenack: in roughly ascending order of complexity from my own packages: libpipeline, putty, groff (I'm afraid I have no python ones to show you off the top of my head, but python-ness and multi-binary-ness are pretty orthogonal really) | 15:14 |
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| ahasenack | cjwatson: ok, and you control which file goes into which package with <package>.install files | 15:16 |
| cjwatson | right, generally | 15:17 |
| ahasenack | no need for -p <package> command line option to some dh_* tool | 15:17 |
| ahasenack | but if there is, then you would need to put that in the rules file somewhere | 15:17 |
| cjwatson | occasionally you need those, but I find it's best to regard that as exceptional | 15:17 |
| ahasenack | I guess I was looking at older packages, I saw -p being used and thought I would need that and didn't look at <package>,install files | 15:18 |
| ahasenack | cjwatson: thanks, that helps | 15:19 |
| ahasenack | putty is "expanded" already | 15:20 |
| cjwatson | not in oneiric | 15:20 |
| cjwatson | you should take all my references as referring to the most current version, not whatever's in lucid | 15:20 |
| ahasenack | ah, right, sorry :) | 15:20 |
| cjwatson | http://anonscm.debian.org/loggerhead/pkg-ssh/putty/trunk/annotate/head:/debian/rules | 15:21 |
| ahasenack | cjwatson: looks much simpler indeed | 15:24 |
| pitti | dholbach: yes | 15:25 |
| ahasenack | cjwatson: I looked at this the other day and panicked: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~therve/twisted/debian/view/head:/rules | 15:25 |
| ahasenack | maybe it's possible to build that with just overrides, maybe not | 15:26 |
| cjwatson | yeah, I wouldn't have picked twisted as an example myself :) | 15:26 |
| cjwatson | I would expect rather a lot of that could disappear if modernised | 15:26 |
| ahasenack | cool, hopefully one day I'll know enough to do that :) | 15:27 |
| cjwatson | it is possible to build anything with just overrides; I'm pretty certain they're formally equivalent | 15:27 |
| slangasek | pitti: php5 has a FTBFS I can't reproduce locally, preventing the binary sqlite0 dep being dropped | 15:27 |
| cjwatson | in some cases it produces something that's longer / harder to read than the original, and so isn't worth it; I don't *think* twisted would be such a case but I'd have to try it to be sure of that | 15:27 |
| pitti | slangasek: ah, thanks for the info | 15:28 |
| cjwatson | switching d-i from long-form files to dh7 was a vast improvement in readability in almost all cases, because now the rules files only described what was unusual | 15:28 |
| slangasek | pitti: sure - guesses as to the cause of the FTBFS are welcome... | 15:28 |
| tgardner | so whats the story on this? Its kind of got my desktop hosed. | 15:29 |
| tgardner | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 15:29 |
| tgardner | ubuntu-desktop : Depends: unity but it is not going to be installed | 15:29 |
| tgardner | Depends: unity-2d but it is not going to be installed | 15:29 |
| tgardner | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. | 15:29 |
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| seb128 | tgardner, don't use dist-upgrade without reading what it wants to do | 15:30 |
| tgardner | seb128, with the torrent of package updates daily, I'm unlikely to notice. the basic question, though, is why unity is uninstallable ? | 15:32 |
| seb128 | tgardner, use upgrade instead of distr-upgrade or read what it wants to uninstall before saying yes | 15:34 |
| seb128 | tgardner, because nux is abi instable and unity needs to be updated in the same upgrade run when there is a nux update | 15:34 |
| cjwatson | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/oneiric_probs.html unity isn't uninstallable right now but unity-2d is | 15:35 |
| seb128 | tgardner, unity needs the new nux to build though so during the nux is built and unity is building you get those issues | 15:35 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, yeah, cf #ubuntu-release ;-) | 15:35 |
| seb128 | unity-2d needs either a no change update or a ffe for the new version | 15:35 |
| andy753421 | Could I trouble someone in ubuntu-sponsors to finish a sync request for me for launchpad bugs 832611, 832613, and 832614? | 15:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 832613 in Ubuntu "Sync libgrits 0.5.1-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832613 | 15:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 832611 in Ubuntu "Sync aweather 0.5.1-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832611 | 15:35 |
| seb128 | that's being worked | 15:35 |
| cjwatson | Sweetshark: can openoffice.org-l10n-be-by and openoffice.org-l10n-ns be removed from their source package? their dependencies are uninstallable and I think removed | 15:36 |
| tgardner | seb128, hrmph. I think I'll just go away and wait until its unf*cked. | 15:36 |
| andy753421 | The feature freeze was approved, so i think it just need to be synced? (sorry for the last minute rush) | 15:36 |
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| seb128 | tgardner, you can get the unity debs on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/4.10.0-0ubuntu1 | 15:36 |
| slangasek | mdeslaur: I would suggest not changing the debconf template names / var dir names as part of the transition (that way, previously-answered cache values can be reused); the "debconf" dependency should be replaced with ${misc:Depends} (noticed because you've dropped the | debconf-2.0 from the hand-written dep, which is incorrect); you seem to have dropped the versioned dependencies on libnss3-1d and libnspr4-0d, which were presumably there | 15:40 |
| slangasek | ... reason; I think the Conflicts/Replaces on flashplugin-installer should be Breaks/Replaces (per policy); flashplugin-installer shouldn't be Multi-Arch: same (i386 and amd64 packages shouldn't be co-installable); prerm has some dead update-rc.d code that can be dropped, there is no flashplugin-downloader init script to clean up | 15:40 |
| slangasek | mdeslaur: that's it, just minor issues | 15:41 |
| mdeslaur | slangasek: the versioned deps on libnss3-1d and libnspr4-0d were for versions older than any release we support. Why can't debconf-2.0 be removed? | 15:44 |
| cjwatson | because sooner or later we will manage to switch to cdebconf, and anything without | debconf-2.0 will impede that | 15:46 |
| slangasek | mdeslaur: debconf-2.0 is the virtual package refering to the debconf *interface* in use; there are two packages in the archive implementing it, debconf and cdebconf, and what cjwatson said | 15:46 |
| cjwatson | we went to all that effort to add it to everything ... | 15:46 |
| cjwatson | I agree, just use ${misc:Depends} | 15:46 |
| mdeslaur | oh! ok, I see | 15:47 |
| Sweetshark | cjwatson: *sigh* does that have to be prebeta? | 15:47 |
| cjwatson | Sweetshark: I don't *think* so, although it's possible it will necessitate some annoying workarounds | 15:49 |
| cjwatson | but it needs to be done for release | 15:49 |
| mdeslaur | slangasek: do you'd keep installing everything in the /*/share/flashplugin-installer directories? | 15:49 |
| mdeslaur | s/do/so/ | 15:49 |
| Sweetshark | cjwatson: wont be a problem till the release | 15:49 |
| cjwatson | Sweetshark: thanks | 15:53 |
| cjwatson | Sweetshark: I think there are a few others too - check http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html | 15:54 |
| slangasek | mdeslaur: if you keep the same directories for /var, we can reuse the existing debconf settings with minimal work; I think that's more important than having consistency in the directory names under /var, but I don't feel too strongly about this | 15:55 |
| mdeslaur | slangasek: no, I agree now that I've thought about it. Thanks for your review! | 15:56 |
| slangasek | mdeslaur: actually, I would change the /var/lib and /usr/lib directory names to match the current package name - it's only /var/cache that gets referenced in the debconf question | 15:56 |
| slangasek | mdeslaur: no problem :) | 15:56 |
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| mdeslaur | slangasek: nspluginwrapper has some special case handling for /*/lib/flashplugin-installer, so I'll keep it as-is for now | 15:58 |
| Laney | cjwatson: added tasks to bug 803978 | 15:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 803978 in monodevelop-debugger-mdb (Ubuntu) "Please remove from Oneiric" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803978 | 15:58 |
| slangasek | mdeslaur: ah, ok | 15:58 |
| apw | pitti, i wonder if you'd have a few mins to review an initramfs-tools fix to fix up our utterly broke compcache support and switch it to zram drive: https://code.launchpad.net/~apw/ubuntu/oneiric/initramfs-tools/compcache-zram | 15:58 |
| Laney | we'll be coming up with some more removals soon to complete the transition | 15:58 |
| Laney | also db4o is NEW if you fancy it | 15:58 |
| apw | (pitti of course that would not be something we'd want uploaded before b1 is out) | 16:00 |
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| doko | siretart, x264 ping | 16:07 |
| Laney | all punted to -archive except for nlog removal which is coming up | 16:11 |
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| mdeslaur | slangasek, infinity: flashplugin-nonfree uploaded. thanks! | 16:22 |
| Daviey | Does this mean we can all have glorious flash agin? | 16:23 |
| Daviey | again? | 16:23 |
| ion | FSVO glorious | 16:24 |
| siretart | doko: hi | 16:28 |
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| infinity | mdeslaur: New binary accepted. Please submit it to rigorous upgrade testing. Pretty please? :) | 16:57 |
| mdeslaur | infinity: I tested it before uploading | 16:58 |
| infinity | mdeslaur: I assumed. | 16:58 |
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| slangasek | mdeslaur: thanks for taking care of it :) | 17:09 |
| mdz | kees, Keybuk, pitti, will you be attending techboard in 30 minutes? | 17:27 |
| mdz | (cjwatson and sabdfl sent apologies already) | 17:27 |
| sgnb | infinity: you can sync ocaml-extunix from sid now | 17:32 |
| pitti | mdz: yes | 17:45 |
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| pitti | mdz: who is chairing today? | 17:46 |
| mdz | pitti, I am | 17:47 |
| ScottK | slangasek: I have this feeling https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20110816/+build/2697906/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-i386.korundum_4%3A4.7.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz is multiarch related. I'd appreciate any hints you might have to offer. | 17:56 |
| slangasek | ScottK: has akonadi been rebuilt yet for multiarched qt? It embeds paths in its cmake files, so at minimum needs a no-change rebuild | 17:58 |
| slangasek | (debfx commented the other day that he'd like to fix this "properly" in cmake, but that's a tall order) | 17:59 |
| slangasek | ah yes, you did that rebuild on the 18th | 17:59 |
| ScottK | slangasek: Yep. | 18:00 |
| slangasek | could be the same problem in another library further up the stack. libsoprano, probably? | 18:00 |
| ScottK | I'll try it. | 18:00 |
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| shbk | does anybody have experience with compiling of modules for kernel? I've described problem detailed here : http://gekannt.narod2.ru/ .thanks in advance | 18:13 |
| pitti | drat, ubiquity seems to silently crash with new pygobject | 18:13 |
| pitti | ev: ^ did you happen to try ubiquity with the pygobject 2.90 packages already? I'm going to look into this, but want to avoid double work in debugging | 18:14 |
| shbk | I can't find linux/module.h, do I need to recompile kernel? | 18:15 |
| cjwatson | apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) | 18:16 |
| Daviey | For dh python2 transitions, is python > 2.6.6-3~ a requirement or a recommendation... and could i have some more detail on the reasoning please? | 18:17 |
| shbk | I have done this | 18:17 |
| sladen | shbk: install linux-headers-* http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=linux/module.h | 18:17 |
| shbk | sh@sh-laptop:~$ uname -r | 18:17 |
| shbk | 2.6.32-33-generic | 18:17 |
| shbk | I have headers | 18:17 |
| cjwatson | perhaps your module's build system is broken then | 18:17 |
| shbk | I didn't do nothing them yet, honestly | 18:17 |
| cjwatson | it should (IIRC) be passing -I/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include to the compile | 18:17 |
| cjwatson | *compiler | 18:18 |
| cjwatson | and if you're running gcc by hand, you'll need to do that | 18:18 |
| shbk | I'm trying | 18:18 |
| ScottK | slangasek: Seemed to help. I'll clean this up and go for it. Thanks. | 18:18 |
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| slangasek | ScottK: cool-o | 18:19 |
| mdz | pitti, cjwatson, Keybuk, who chaired the previous meeting? no minutes went out | 18:22 |
| shbk | I 've done, nevertheless,I 'am receiving new errors : gcc -DMODULE -D__KERNEL__ -I/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include hello.c -o hello.o | 18:22 |
| shbk | In file included from /lib/modules/2.6.32-33-generic/build/include/linux/list.h:6, | 18:22 |
| shbk | from /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-33/include/linux/module.h:9, | 18:22 |
| shbk | from hello.c:1: | 18:22 |
| shbk | /lib/modules/2.6.32-33-generic/build/include/linux/prefetch.h:14:27: error: asm/processor.h: No such file or directory | 18:22 |
| shbk | /lib/modules/2.6.32-33-generic/build/include/linux/prefetch.h:15:23: error: asm/cache.h: No such file or directory | 18:22 |
| shbk | In file included from /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-33/include/linux/module.h:9, | 18:22 |
| pitti | mdz: I'm not sure, I was on the desktop summit and couldn't attend | 18:22 |
| shbk | and futher futher futher... | 18:22 |
| Keybuk | mdz: I did | 18:22 |
| shbk | here is full listing http://gekannt.narod2.ru/ on the right side | 18:22 |
| shbk | any ideas? | 18:22 |
| cjwatson | I suggest that either #ubuntu or #ubuntu-kernel would be more appropriate | 18:23 |
| shbk | I was sent from ubuntu) | 18:23 |
| cjwatson | they were wrong | 18:23 |
| cjwatson | sorry, but this isn't an escalated support channel and they should know that ... | 18:23 |
| shbk | may it will be better to reinstall ubuntu or reinstall headers? | 18:24 |
| shbk | may it help? | 18:24 |
| cjwatson | vast overkill and will not help. | 18:24 |
| cjwatson | you just need a fixed module build system, but (a) I don't know the exact details and (b) this isn't the right place | 18:24 |
| shbk | well , nevetheless thanks for #ubuntu-kernel) | 18:25 |
| cjwatson | you might look for a competently maintained module and borrow its build system | 18:26 |
| cjwatson | I suspect it might end up including /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/Makefile somewhere along the way, but I haven't looked at any of this for ages | 18:26 |
| cjwatson | rolling your own build system is unlikely to be a good use of time, anyway | 18:26 |
| sladen | shbk: http://lwn.net/images/pdf/LDD3/ch02.pdf | 18:30 |
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| shbk | I 've started from this book, authors are Alessandro Rubini && jonatan Corbet, I'm in a circle) | 18:45 |
| sgnb | infinity: and oasis should be rebuilt as well | 19:08 |
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| doko | Daviey, soren: rampart seems to belong to the eucalyptus stack, but is still in main. could you have a look? | 19:31 |
| doko | same for axis2c | 19:31 |
| soren | AFAIK, they were only there for Eucalyptus' sake. If nothing else needs them, I don't see any reason not to demote them. | 19:32 |
| Daviey | doko: Oh, that can go. Infact, i'd like to kill our debain delta on that.. but that is unrelated. | 19:38 |
| doko | Daviey, well, find out what keeps it in main ... | 19:43 |
| Daviey | doko: I can't see that anything is, it's not directly seeded - and it's rdepends are all universe. :/ | 19:50 |
| stgraber | doko: where do you see it still in main? A quick lookup here shows me that source is in universe and all its binaries too | 19:51 |
| stgraber | doko: same with axis2c actually, source and binaries appear as being in universe here (up to date oneiric) | 19:52 |
| Daviey | doko: where are you seeing it in main? | 19:52 |
| Daviey | stgraber: yeah, that is what i am seeing. | 19:52 |
| doko | stgraber, ahh, fooled by the test rebuild page | 19:54 |
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| pitti | darn LibO FTBFS, seems to stumble over new libpq-dev from today :/ | 20:16 |
| ahasenack | is there a mailing lest to send basic packaging questions to? Perhaps motu? | 20:19 |
| jtaylor | ahasenack: the best place to ask is probably debian-mentors@lists.debian.org or #ubuntu-packaging on freenode and #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org | 20:23 |
| ahasenack | jtaylor: cool, didn't know about #ubuntu-packaging either, thanks | 20:24 |
| Quintasan | How do I disable multiarch? | 20:37 |
| tjaalton | Quintasan: install i386 version, or another distro ;) | 20:42 |
| slangasek | Quintasan: what about multiarch is it that you want to disable? | 20:43 |
| tjaalton | actually, i386 is equally multiarch so scratch that.. | 20:43 |
| infinity | i386 has multiarch too. But I assume he meants "how do I make it stop downloading Packages files for another arch?" | 20:43 |
| infinity | meant* | 20:43 |
| tjaalton | right | 20:43 |
| Quintasan | infinity: yeah, this is confusing to say at least | 20:44 |
| Quintasan | Like getting conflicts on installing pbuilder | 20:44 |
| infinity | Eh? | 20:44 |
| slangasek | that's not multiarch's fault | 20:45 |
| Quintasan | Well, maybe not pbuilder | 20:45 |
| Quintasan | Well, let me put it other way -> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/08/25/plasma-desktopJN2047.jpg <-- this doesn't look helpful no matter how I look at it | 20:46 |
| slangasek | yep | 20:46 |
| slangasek | so if you're sure you want to disable multiarch, edit /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch and comment out the line | 20:47 |
| infinity | slangasek: Oh. Do you know if there a bug filed (or a dpkg patch in the works) for why wildcard matches on dpkg -l don't show foreign arch packages? | 20:47 |
| Quintasan | slangasek: Can bad things happen when I disable it? | 20:47 |
| infinity | slangasek: (Compare the output of "dpkg -l zlib\* | grep ^i" with "dpkg -l | grep '^ii zlib'") | 20:47 |
| slangasek | though if you were to help improve aptitude to do more sensible things with multiarch, that would be better :) | 20:47 |
| slangasek | infinity: dpkg -l zlib:* - not a bug but a deliberate design decision | 20:47 |
| slangasek | sorry, dpkg -l zlib*:* | 20:48 |
| slangasek | Quintasan: you won't be able to install flashplugin, nspluginwrapper, or skype (from partner) | 20:48 |
| slangasek | if you don't care about those things, there are no other consequences for you currently :) | 20:48 |
| Quintasan | Urgh | 20:48 |
| infinity | slangasek: Hrm. That's deliberate? Seems a bit goofy and unintuitive to me. But okay. | 20:48 |
| slangasek | infinity: it's a backwards-compatibility thing | 20:48 |
| slangasek | buxy can explain in detail :) | 20:49 |
| infinity | slangasek: Yeah, I guess I can see that. Still wildly unintuitive. | 20:49 |
| infinity | slangasek: I don't need detail, I can see why. | 20:49 |
| tumbleweed | aptitude seems to want to get rid of all my i386 packages, whenever there's any dependency problems *anywhere* (not related to the i386 packages) :/ | 20:49 |
| slangasek | yep, sorry about that | 20:50 |
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| micahg | tumbleweed: bug 831768 | 20:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 831768 in aptitude (Ubuntu) "aptitude cannot handle the same packages of different architectures being installed" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831768 | 20:50 |
| slangasek | update-manager and software-center both do better | 20:50 |
| infinity | And apt. | 20:50 |
| slangasek | synaptic, aptitude, dselect all still have gaps | 20:50 |
| infinity | I wonder how dselect's coping. | 20:50 |
| infinity | Ahh. :) | 20:50 |
| slangasek | infinity: except for the lack of interactivity for apt :) | 20:50 |
| infinity | slangasek: Yeah. | 20:50 |
| Quintasan | slangasek: so flashplugin-installer pulling i386 libs is normal now? | 20:50 |
| tumbleweed | slangasek: sure, but none of them handle interactive upgrades (like we all need every day) | 20:50 |
| infinity | Well, if I want interactive, I still prefer dselect (I know, I'm weird), but I very rarely need that sort of thing anyway. | 20:51 |
| tumbleweed | ah, that was mentioned :) | 20:51 |
| infinity | Quintasan: It always has, it just used to do it via the gian ia32-libs blob, and now it does it correctly. :P | 20:51 |
| slangasek | Quintasan: yes - ia32-libs is die-die-die-deprecated | 20:51 |
| infinity | s/gian/giant/ | 20:51 |
| Quintasan | I see | 20:51 |
| slangasek | it was an unmaintainable stopgap solution | 20:51 |
| slangasek | tumbleweed: actually, update-manager does me fine for daily interactive upgrades | 20:52 |
| infinity | I have no real issues with apt for my daily oneiric upgrades... | 20:53 |
| Quintasan | http://paste.kde.org/114355 | 20:53 |
| Quintasan | Uhm | 20:53 |
| infinity | But then again, I tend to feed it the same sort of info I'd give an interactive package manager. | 20:53 |
| Quintasan | Is this also normal? | 20:53 |
| micahg | slangasek: update-manager doesn't show the change in package sizes, which is why I like aptitude | 20:53 |
| infinity | (apt-get --purge install add1 add2 remove1- remove2-) | 20:53 |
| slangasek | Quintasan: that's an oft-reported bug, it may have to do with missing i386 libraries; which version of flashplugin-installer do you have currently? | 20:54 |
| slangasek | (4ubuntu4 was uploaded today which should fix this) | 20:54 |
| slangasek | infinity: shorter: apt-get purge add1+ add2+ remove1 remove2 | 20:54 |
| infinity | slangasek: Oh right, because purge is actually just "--purge remove" now, isn't it? | 20:55 |
| Quintasan | slangasek: I see, my mirror must be out of date then | 20:55 |
| Quintasan | 4ubuntu3 here | 20:55 |
| infinity | slangasek: And remove is actually just negative install. Clever. | 20:55 |
| * Quintasan changes to us mirror | 20:56 | |
| slangasek | Quintasan: yes - so you have the 4ubuntu3 amd64 flashplugin-installer, which relies on ia32-libs for the libraries and that no longer works. Upgrading should fix that | 20:56 |
| slangasek | mdeslaur: I don't suppose you closed the million open bugs on flashplugin-nonfree when you uploaded? :) | 20:56 |
| mdeslaur | slangasek: I just closed the one I was subscribed to...let me take a look | 20:57 |
| Quintasan | us mirror ++ | 20:58 |
| Quintasan | slangasek: Indeed, that worked. | 20:58 |
| slangasek | mdeslaur: actually, I guess they're probably filed against nspluginwrapper... bug #833558, bug #830784 | 21:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 833558 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "package flashplugin-installer (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (dup-of: 830802)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/833558 | 21:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 830802 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Firefox freezes and grays out because of missing i386 Flash Player dependencies on x86-64" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830802 | 21:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 830784 in nspluginwrapper (Ubuntu) "Problem when installing flashplugin" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830784 | 21:01 |
| slangasek | Quintasan: good good. I'll do an upload of ia32-libs to make the upgrade a bit more seamless too. | 21:01 |
| mdeslaur | slangasek: I've just duped a bunch of flashplugin-nonfree bugs, I'll take a look at nspluginwrapper | 21:02 |
| slangasek | mdeslaur: ta :) | 21:02 |
| * Quintasan is not sure how multiarch is better but he can help with testing | 21:02 | |
| slangasek | Quintasan: because when a security upload is done for a library, it becomes available to all users immediately via the i386 package instead of requiring somebody to upload an ia32-libs source package the size of a CD | 21:03 |
| Quintasan | Well, I can't dispute with that ^_^ | 21:04 |
| slangasek | here, you can watch me blather on about multiarch at length if you like. :) meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2011/debconf11/high/747_Multiarch_in_Debian_6_months_or_6_years_on.ogv | 21:05 |
| * Quintasan downloads | 21:11 | |
| Quintasan | Woah, 540MB | 21:11 |
| Quintasan | slangasek: You must have had a hard time talking so long :P | 21:11 |
| slangasek | you clearly haven't met me | 21:12 |
| slangasek | ;) | 21:12 |
| Quintasan | Maybe we can meet at UDS | 21:12 |
| slangasek | are you coming to this one? | 21:12 |
| Quintasan | No idea, I need sponsorship to go there :) | 21:13 |
| * Quintasan is just a high school student | 21:13 | |
| infinity | You don't want to listen to slangasek speak. It's a trap. Don't do it. | 21:13 |
| Quintasan | :O | 21:14 |
| stgraber | slangasek: and there go my next 40 minutes ;) needed a break anyway | 21:14 |
| slangasek | stgraber: hey, slacker, I didn't say *you* should watch it! :) | 21:19 |
| slangasek | Quintasan: did you apply for sponsorship? I believe the sponsorship queue is closed now | 21:20 |
| Quintasan | slangasek: I did apply, waiting for result :P | 21:20 |
| slangasek | yeah, the queue *just* closed, decisions haven't been made yet | 21:21 |
| stgraber | slangasek: :) | 21:21 |
| infinity | pitti: You have a sync sitting unflushed on cocoplum, did you plan to do something with that? (pygobject-2) | 21:21 |
| slangasek | I guess that's the one he was still trying to work out whether it breaks ubiquity | 21:22 |
| infinity | pitti: Err, nevermind, was just a crufty source package, not an upload. | 21:23 |
| infinity | pitti: Ignore me. :) | 21:23 |
| infinity | slangasek: Yeah, it didn't have a changes file. flush-syncs (helpfully?) deleted it on cleanup though. :P | 21:23 |
| slangasek | ok :) | 21:23 |
| ScottK | doko: Would you please retry korundum in the archive rebuild? | 21:29 |
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| astraljava | Stumbling with germinate, how do you guys test seeds locally? I can't seem to get the command just right. | 22:09 |
| === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates | ||
| astraljava | Figured that I need to use the --bzr option, but now I stumble on missing platform.oneiric seed. | 22:12 |
| infinity | astraljava: -S http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ -d oneiric -s ubuntu.oneiric | 22:14 |
| infinity | astraljava: (For example) | 22:14 |
| infinity | astraljava: The manpage is reasonably verbose. | 22:14 |
| infinity | astraljava: Or are you running it against a local bzr branch that's incomplete? | 22:16 |
| astraljava | infinity: Not a local one, but one that's in LP. | 22:18 |
| astraljava | But not yet uploaded for spinning the images. | 22:18 |
| infinity | astraljava: Well, if you have a seed that depends on another branch (like ubuntu.oneiric depends on platform.oneiric), I suspect you'll need side-by-side branches of both. But don't quote me on that, I've never tried. | 22:19 |
| astraljava | infinity: Right. I see from germinate logs, that it tries to fetch platform.oneiric when building Studio images, but continues even when not finding such. But it doesn't seem to work locally. | 22:20 |
| infinity | I don't recall it having any clever fallback code for dependencies, though, so you probably need to copy all the deps. | 22:20 |
| astraljava | Actually, it does fallback on ~ubuntu-core-dev's platform. How can I do that locally? | 22:23 |
| astraljava | Couldn't find that bit of information from the manpages, while admittedly they're pretty elaborate, like you mentioned. | 22:25 |
| infinity | Not entirely sure. You might be able to specify -S more than once. Like I said, never tried. I have a local mirror of all the seeds anyway. | 22:27 |
| astraljava | Thanks, that was all I needed. Just branched platform.oneiric, and I'm good to go. Cheers! :) | 22:29 |
| astraljava | Just have to remember to bzr update it regularily, I suppose. | 22:29 |
| doko | ScottK, done | 22:35 |
| kees | slangasek: so... multiarch silliness. | 22:59 |
| kees | my system doesn't seem to acknowledge that :i386 exists. | 22:59 |
| kees | $ cat /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch | 22:59 |
| kees | foreign-architecture i386 | 22:59 |
| kees | yet: | 22:59 |
| kees | E: Unable to locate package flashplugin-downloader:i386 | 22:59 |
| slangasek | kees: apt-get update'd? | 23:01 |
| kees | slangasek: yup. it's up to date. | 23:02 |
| kees | though it's as if apt is ignoring i386 | 23:02 |
| slangasek | kees: mv /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin* /somewhereelse? | 23:02 |
| slangasek | (&& apt-get update again) | 23:02 |
| kees | slangasek: nope :( | 23:04 |
| infinity | kees: apt-get update doesn't even show i386 Packages files being downloaded? | 23:04 |
| slangasek | kees: is your local mirror amd64-only? | 23:05 |
| kees | infinity: it doesn't show i386 being fetched, no. slangasek: my mirror is both. | 23:05 |
| kees | (but I'm pulling from the main archive too) | 23:05 |
| slangasek | hmm | 23:05 |
| vista_killer | hi | 23:05 |
| slangasek | kees: local apt config settings that are overriding dpkg? | 23:06 |
| kees | there used to be a second apt config to turn on multiarch... | 23:06 |
| slangasek | kees: apt *defaults* to what dpkg uses, but you can override it | 23:06 |
| vista_killer | i have this bug with kernel module nv_tco https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/791089 | 23:07 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 791089 in linux (Ubuntu) "crash after rebooting or shutting down from Ubuntu 11.04" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 23:07 |
| slangasek | kees: $ apt-config dump | grep APT::Architectures | 23:07 |
| vista_killer | i have the same bug to 11.04 and now after the upgrade i find that the bug still exists | 23:07 |
| kees | slangasek: ah-ha. that's it. when "getting rid" of the apt multi-arch config, I left it _defined_ as amd64. I need to drop the entire line. | 23:08 |
| kees | muuuuch better | 23:09 |
| kees | thanks! | 23:09 |
| slangasek | vista_killer: this is not a support channel; you could try asking on #ubuntu-kernel, you'd at least be more likely to reach the right audience for your question there | 23:10 |
| slangasek | kees: aha :) | 23:10 |
| vista_killer | ok sorry | 23:10 |
| kees | slangasek: wow. that is a lot of :i386 to install. :) | 23:11 |
| slangasek | kees: software is complicated :P | 23:14 |
| kees | slangasek: ia32-libs is huge ;) | 23:14 |
| StevenK | It used to be bigger ... | 23:15 |
| RAOF | Boo. wine's broken. | 23:15 |
| SpamapS | Hm, if something is open source (eucalyptus) but only works properly with sun java .. is it appropriate to move it to multiverse? | 23:15 |
| micahg | SpamapS: is this new? wasn't it in main? | 23:16 |
| SpamapS | micahg: eucalyptus was dropped to universe for 11.10 | 23:17 |
| micahg | SpamapS: right, I meant the java dep | 23:17 |
| SpamapS | and now bug 791607 is apparently stumping their engineers or something | 23:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 791607 in eucalyptus (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Oneiric Eucalyptus fails to start up" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791607 | 23:17 |
| SpamapS | Actually I think the deal was that they wanted to do euca 3.0 but that release date is slipping. | 23:17 |
| micahg | slangasek: can you please copy an update for me? | 23:22 |
| micahg | SpamapS: is it a build or run time dependency? | 23:26 |
| micahg | SpamapS: ah, I see the comment in the bug, I don't think it would need to move to multiverse if it recommends non-free software, but you wouldn't be able to add a depends on something in partner AFAIK | 23:27 |
| kees | libssl1.0.0:i386 1.0.0d-2ubuntu2 (Multi-Arch: same) is not co-installable with libssl1.0.0:amd64 1.0.0d-2ubuntu1 (Multi-Arch: no) which is currently installed | 23:35 |
| micahg | kees: did you enable multiarch? | 23:36 |
| kees | micahg: I did. seems dpkg is unhappy. doing some manual per-package installs now... | 23:36 |
| kees | wow, it's blowing up on all kinds of stuff :( | 23:37 |
| micahg | kees: I assume you're dist-upgrading? | 23:38 |
| kees | yeah :) | 23:38 |
| kees | heh, while ! apt-get dist-upgrade ; do apt-get -f install ; done ;) | 23:40 |
| doko | kees: add a dpkg --configure --pending in between | 23:46 |
| kees | doko: ah, yeah, good idea. | 23:46 |
| micahg | StevenK: are you available for an archive copy? | 23:48 |
| StevenK | micahg: What are you after? | 23:50 |
| micahg | StevenK: ubuntu-mozilla-security thunderbird 3.1.12+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.10.04.1 to lucid-security | 23:50 |
| slangasek | RAOF: wine broken how? | 23:52 |
| slangasek | SpamapS: yeah, I think a depends on sun-java would translate to multiverse :/ | 23:52 |
| slangasek | micahg: sure, what's the update? | 23:52 |
| micahg | slangasek: ah, I ask StevenK already, but thanks | 23:53 |
| slangasek | oh, did StevenK take this one? | 23:53 |
| slangasek | ok | 23:53 |
| StevenK | I haven't yet | 23:54 |
| slangasek | got it then | 23:56 |
| slangasek | micahg: done | 23:56 |
| micahg | slangasek: thanks | 23:56 |
| cnd | have we entered beta freeze yet? | 23:57 |
| cnd | or can I push a small ftbfs fix still | 23:58 |
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| cnd | hmm… looks like I just missed it | 23:59 |
| micahg | cnd: if it's needed for beta, I believe so | 23:59 |
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