brycehcjwatson, nope, hadn't looked at the ubuntu-devel@ queue today01:31
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brycehslangasek, you about?01:35
slangasekbryceh: only for a second more01:35
brycehslangasek, that xvfb issue with pygtk is actually a fakeroot bug, fixed in debian 1.17-101:36
brycehbug 82947001:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 829470 in fakeroot (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Xvfb fails with empty /var/lib/xkb, causing build failures" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82947001:36
slangasekoh, interesting01:36
brycehslangasek, it's same as bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=630591 in debian01:37
ubottuDebian bug 630591 in apt "apt: apt-cache fails with current fakeroot" [Minor,Fixed]01:37
slangasekright, let me sync that01:37
DoctorPepperhi guys !!!04:04
DoctorPepperas of today  does ubuntu support  systemd as an init system  without having to recompile the kernel  for cgroups support ?04:05
RAOFDoctorPepper: cgroups are enabled in the kernel, and I guess we've probably got Debian's systemd packages in the archive.04:10
DoctorPepperis the maintainer of appmenu  in here ?04:12
pittiGood morning04:13
DoctorPepperpitti:  good morning04:13
pittislangasek: 832454> I understand how it is frustrating :/ indeed it seems we have lots of missing ddebs for these04:15
pittinow if only we had proper LP ddebs integration, the current hack has never been meant to even last that long :(04:15
pittihey DoctorPepper04:15
pittiI just checked the ddeb-retriever, it's not stuck or anything04:16
pittibut it might be that some of the buildds are acting up, /me runs manually04:16
pittisometimes the buildds time out when you try to talk to them, for several days04:16
pittiif it happens for more than two days, we lose ddebs04:17
slangasekRAOF: systemd isn't in the archive, and we definitely don't support it as an init system04:37
slangasekpitti: LP ddebs - yes, please :)04:37
RAOFslangasek: Oh, I certainly didn't mean to imply we would go so far as to *support* it; we've gone to the effort of blacklisting the sync, though?04:38
slangasekRAOF: you cannot run systemd as an init system on Ubuntu04:38
slangasekfor whichever meaning of "support" you wish :)04:38
RAOFJust out of curiosity, what prevents that?04:39
slangasekthe fact that all of our startup is done with native upstart jobs04:39
pittiI actually had a 10.10 system running with the systemd PPA packages04:39
RAOFI mean, apart from the bunch of packages that have native upstart scripts.04:39
pittithat PPA has a package to provide some missing ones04:39
slangasekthat bunch of packages is pretty much the default Ubuntu install :)04:39
RAOFAh.  Just the bunch of packages with native upstart scripts?  Oh, things like mountall probably don't get systemded, either.04:40
pittiRAOF: mountall isn't necessary with systemd04:40
RAOFSo, as long as you rewrote a bunch of init scripts, it'd work :)04:40
pittiactually, most of the early startup is already done by systemd itself04:40
pittithe scary thing is that it sucks in more and more of the boot/system services stuff04:41
pittiit's like a "liblinux" now04:41
pittiso it doesn't require (and doesn't actually allow) a lot of configuration or script tweaking04:41
pittiwhich makes it easy for trying out, but rather hard as an admin to customize04:41
* slangasek nods04:45
sgnbinfinity: type-conv needs to be rebuilt as well06:03
infinitysgnb: I noticed that, due to the dep-wait.  Building now.06:22
infinitysgnb: The segv on powerpc in https://launchpadlibrarian.net/78022053/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-powerpc.ocaml-extunix_0.0.3-1build1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz is disconcerting.06:26
* infinity retries to see if it was cosmic rays.06:27
nigelbOr an unfortunate alignment of the planets ;)06:27
infinityMoon phase, etc, yes.06:27
sgnbinfinity: it happens also in Debian, see http://caml.inria.fr/mantis/view.php?id=533406:36
sgnbI'm planning to disable this test on armel and powerpc06:37
infinitysgnb: Disabling the test seems like the wrong fix. :P06:38
sgnbinfinity: feel free to submit a proper fix06:40
sgnbbacktrace() seems an esoteric feature enough to me06:41
sgnb(I mean, for exotic architectures such as powerpc)06:42
infinitysgnb: PowerPC isn't that exotic. :P06:42
infinitysgnb: But I also have no interest in fixing it, so.. :)06:42
sgnbinfinity: ocaml-data-notation failed because of type-conv06:59
infinitysgnb: I know. :)07:04
infinitysgnb: Waiting for the type-conv binaries to be published and I'll retry it.07:04
infinitysgnb: Any interest in feeding me a fixed ocaml-extunix?07:07
sgnbI'll upload one to Debian... but it's not urgent (no reverse-dependencies)07:09
infinityShiny.  That's what I needed to know.07:09
infinityJust poke me to sync it sometime, then.07:09
dholbachgood morning07:20
makaraif I install Ocelot Alpha, will the automatic updates bring it up to the full release in October, or will I have to download that CD again?07:37
infinitymakara: -> #ubuntu07:43
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dokopitti, sqlite ping ...09:53
pittidoko: pong09:53
dokopitti: what is left to demote it?09:54
* pitti checkrdepends09:54
pitti-- oneiric/main amd64 deps on libsqlite0:09:55
pitti-- oneiric/main build deps on libsqlite0-dev:09:55
pittidoko: nothing in main depends on php5-sqlite except for php5-dbg09:56
pittiso in theory it could be split out of the source09:56
pittiBacula looks weird, it b-deps on both libsqlite0-dev and libsqlite3-dev09:57
pittiDaviey: ^ do you guys still care about bacula?09:57
pittiif not, perhaps it could just be demoted?09:57
pittilibdbi-drivers presumably needs it to build libdbd-sqlite, but it also builds libdbd-sqlite309:58
zygamvo: hi09:58
mvohey zyga09:59
dokowell, that could be built in universe too09:59
zygamvo: I started merging a few patches and hit a wall with broken i18n support09:59
zygamvo: would you mind looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~zkrynicki/command-not-found/rework-locale-support/+merge/7284809:59
zygamvo: this is my attempt to fix them09:59
pittidoko: frankly, I'd just drop it from dbi-drivers10:00
pittidoko: libdbd-sqlite has exactly one rdepends in universe10:00
pittiwhich has alternative dependencies10:00
mvozyga: sure, I will do after lunch10:00
zygamvo: thanks10:01
pittidoko: so, I think the hardest one is php5-sqlite10:02
pittidbi-drivers is easy to fix, and for bacula it should be possible to drop the b-dep (let's see whether server team still cares)10:02
dokopitti, sounds like a plan10:19
Davieypitti: Where are you seeing bacula showing up?  I don't see it on c-m's?10:24
pittiDaviey: it doesn't show up in reports, we'd just like to get rid of sqlite for good10:31
Davieypitti: but keep sqlite3?10:31
Davieypitti: Super,  Yes - i am happy for Bacula to be demoted.  It's not recieving the attention it probably deserves.10:32
Davieytimes like this popcon by default for devel release would be handy to find out if anyone has actually tried it!10:34
seb128ev, do you know if anyone is working on updating the ubiquity slideshow for oneiric?10:35
cjwatson11:12 <CIA-18> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r360 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ (12 files in 12 dirs): Bump version strings to 11.10.10:37
cjwatson11:16 <CIA-18> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r361 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 4110:37
seb128cjwatson, right, still it lists evolution as being our email client10:38
seb128cjwatson, that's this upload which made me think about it ;-) I noticed recently the content was still not updated10:39
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wildfirehi, who can do a stable release update request for bug #817119 ?11:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 817119 in pidgin (Ubuntu) "Receiving a video chat invite from Google Talk crashes Pidgin." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81711911:00
wildfirewho is able to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates to indicate that 'mere mortals' can not nominate a bug for SRU11:08
wildfireapparently it is an immutable page11:08
pittiwildfire: everyone can nominate11:08
wildfirepitti: no they can not11:09
pittiwell, only few people can actually accept the task11:09
wildfireplease see: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/14050911:09
pittimaybe nomination is limited as well11:09
pittiactually that's good news -- nominations are fairly useless11:10
wildfirepitti: well, good news for developers, I guess11:10
wildfirefrustrating for users11:10
wildfireparticularly when the process is described so throughly, and is so throughly wrong11:11
pittinot any more frustrating than nominating it and then never see anything happen11:11
pittimerely asking "I want this fixed" isn't magically going to make it happen11:11
pittibut in general, subscribing ubuntu-sru with an explanation why this is SRU worthy also works, and doesn't need nomination11:12
pittior even better, uploading a fix :)11:12
pittiwildfire: that page isn't wrong, though -- developers can nominate11:12
wildfirepitti: I did not realise that the page was geared towards developers, I believed it was geared towards the people actually taking the time to report a bug and then hearing it has been fixed in a later version -- and that if the reporter wanted the bug fixed in that stable version, that was the process to follow11:14
wildfirepitti: care to update it to clarify that the audience is people who are both bug reporters and developers?11:14
pittino, perhaps this should be clarified then11:14
pittithis is for people who want to do an SRU, not like to see a bug fixed11:15
pittido you have a proposal how to clarify this?11:15
pittie. g. append "This page describes the process for developers." to the first paragraph?11:15
poolieo/ wildfire11:24
wildfirepitti, poolie: I'd have: "If you would like to request a SRU and you are not a developer, please follow the procedure outlined at StabelReleaseUpdateRequest. This page documents the process for developers completing SRU requests."11:26
pooliegood idea11:26
wildfireYou can make the SRURequest page a blank wiki link and it can be filled in later on11:26
pooliethere has been a lot of churn in the past because with so many users to developers any popular bug will get requests, regardless of feasibility or availability of effort to do it11:27
pittiwell, there's not much to write there -- find a developer to fix it11:27
poolieas pitti says people just saying "i want this fixed"11:27
wildfirepoolie, pitti: is the issue that the requests are invalid, or there is not enough time / developers to do it?11:29
wildfireI think there are different ways to address things depending on what is the main problem with requests11:30
wildfireif the former, you can suggest that a 'power user' (perhaps an MOTU? althougth aiui they don't exist anymore), should nominate things11:30
StevenKMOTU do still exist11:30
wildfireif the later, make triaging an SRU request part of the application process11:31
wildfireStevenK: OK, good to know - I was under the impression with fine-grained upload permissions, that someone who could upload an package into 'universe' or 'multiverse' was a thing of the past11:31
pooliein this case obviously there is an apparently working fix for it11:33
poolieif they make a merge proposal into the relevant branch that should fix it off11:34
pooliewildfire: i think the issue (which doesn't apply to this bug in particular) in general is a bit of both11:34
pittiwildfire: MOTUs are in the ubuntu-bugcontrol team and can nominate, yes11:34
geserwildfire: as 'universe' and 'multiverse' still exist we need MOTU to take care of it and even after that we need MOTU to take care of the packages that nobody takes care of11:35
janimois Keybuk around this channel these days? Alternately is there any other public venue I can ping him on?11:35
pittijanimo: in principle yes, but only scarcely11:35
janimoI have ureadahead related questions but would rather not mail him personally11:35
pittijanimo: during European evening/Californian day mostly11:35
pittijanimo: mail should work fine11:36
janimopitti, thanks, I'll keep an eye on him showing up :)11:36
pitticjwatson: argh, just got a reject for my libivgraimpex upload11:36
pitticjwatson: anyway, thanks for fixing it, too!11:36
pittiseems the bug assignment had a mid-air collision in LP11:37
wildfirepoolie: maybe there should be a 'good SRU nominator' flag for people who consistently suggest good candidates for SRUs?11:37
pooliethat's an interesting idea11:38
poolieor maybe more generally people who can't upload but who can be trusted to triage11:38
poolie(or is that already ~ubuntu-bugcontrol?)11:38
poolieperhaps ideally it would go off (a much better version of) karma11:39
pittiif these people could also dig out the corresponding patches, that'd help a lot11:39
pittiScottK: oh, that was fast :)11:40
pittiDaviey: do you have an opinion on bug 833684?11:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 833684 in postgresql-9.0 (Ubuntu) "[FFE] Update PostgreSQL to 9.1, drop 9.0" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83368411:40
pittiDaviey: if you are fine with it, I can go ahead and do the syncs now11:40
pitti(and add the remaining package tasks to track the rdepends)11:41
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Davieypitti: comment added, TL;DR +1.12:02
cjwatsonpitti: ah, heh, oh well12:12
cjwatsonpitti: same fix? :)12:12
cjwatsondirecthex: bug 803978 - how about mono-uia, which depends on mono-debugger?12:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 803978 in monodevelop-debugger-mdb (Ubuntu) "Please remove from Oneiric" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80397812:30
directhexcjwatson, mono-uia depends on other things which are gone from mono. and the team behind it was laid off. Laney, didn't we file an RM request on uia*?12:30
Laneyray was/is hoping to resurrect it12:31
Laneybut if removed, it can always be reintroduced12:31
cjwatsonwant to add a mono-uia task to that bug, then?12:32
pittidoko, Daviey: I'm touching bacula anyway for psql 9.1; while I'm at it, I'll also drop bacula-director-sqlite (no rdepends) and the sqlite2 dep12:33
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pittibacula-director-sqlite is a migration package, and we have carried it long enough (it's in lucid)12:33
pittiso there's an upgrade path12:34
Davieypitti: why didn't we drop it post lucid?12:35
pittiDaviey: I don't know12:35
pittiwell, we do now12:35
DavieyWe do a crappy job at transitional package planning :)12:38
DavieyI have NFI what ones we can drop after the next LTS.12:39
pittiwell, in most cases it doesn't really hurt to have them around longer than necessary12:39
pittibut we stumble over them when we try to remove cruft12:39
DavieyI still wonder how many people installed mysql-server-5.X directly rather than mysql-server, and lost their upgrade path.12:42
nigelbDaviey: dear god.12:44
nigelbwe're supposed to isntall mysql-server?12:44
Davieynigelb: shutt'it12:44
* nigelb always did 5.X12:45
tseliotpitti: can you approve nvidia-graphics-drivers-96 in bug #741930 and nvidia-common in bug #825259 (both in natty-proposed), please? (I did what RAOF and slangasek requested)12:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 741930 in NVIDIA Drivers Ubuntu "[natty] nvidia binary packages for older cards - dependencies not met" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74193012:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 825259 in nvidia-common (Ubuntu Natty) "File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/NvidiaDetector/nvidiadetector.py", line 87, in __get_value_from_name v = int(name) - ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '173-updates'" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82525912:46
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ximionhi! I'm currently working on bug 831271 , an FTBFS because of multiarch-support...13:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 831271 in libqt4pas (Ubuntu Oneiric) "libqt4pas version 2.1Qt4.5.3-5 failed to build in oneiric" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83127113:02
ximionwhy does debhelper install the library into multiarch paths even if this packages does NOT enable multiarch?13:02
pittiDaviey, doko: bacula uploaded, sqlite2 -= 113:02
pittidoko: php5 looks strange -- it only b-deps on libsqlite3-dev, not on 0-dev, and yet php5-sqlite binary-depends on it13:03
Davieypitti: \o/13:03
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debfxximion: qmake installs the libraries into the multiarch path13:16
ximiondebfx: good to know... I'm converting this package to multiarch right now, so this problem should go away13:22
ximionis this qmake change an upstream change or a Debian change?13:22
ximionif it's Debian, it would have been nice if it would've been activated on multiarch packages only.13:23
ximionI guess this package is not the only one which FTBFS now13:23
tseliotpitti: ^^^13:25
pittitseliot: erm, what, qmake, what?13:25
tseliotpitti: I wrote you about my packages in natty-proposed13:26
tseliotpitti: (at 02:46)13:26
tseliotpitti: or I can copy and paste the message if you prefer13:27
pittitseliot: hm, here? I don't see it13:27
pittitseliot: if you can re-paste in /msg, that'd be appreciated13:27
tseliotpitti: can you approve nvidia-graphics-drivers-96 in bug #741930 and nvidia-common in bug #825259 (both in natty-proposed), please? (I did what RAOF and slangasek requested)13:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 741930 in NVIDIA Drivers Ubuntu "[natty] nvidia binary packages for older cards - dependencies not met" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74193013:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 825259 in nvidia-common (Ubuntu Natty) "File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/NvidiaDetector/nvidiadetector.py", line 87, in __get_value_from_name v = int(name) - ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '173-updates'" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82525913:27
tseliotoh, sorry, you said in /msg13:28
pittitseliot: yep, I'll get to it; doing SRU review right now13:28
tseliotpitti: great, thanks13:28
pittimterry: rejecting your p-distutils-extra SRU, no bug ref in changelog13:30
pittimterry: you can reupload with -v to include the previous chagnelog13:31
mterrypitti, ah, whoops.  OK13:31
pittitseliot: why was the debconf bit disabled?13:36
pittiSpamapS: FYI, can't accept mdadm natty-proposed; it's already in -proposed, and bug 778520 is v-failed13:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 778520 in mdadm (Ubuntu Natty) "install on degraded raid1 does not boot, drops to initramfs shell" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77852013:40
tseliotpitti: because there can be nasty interactions when dist-upgrading and it's obsolete anyway13:41
pittitseliot: ok13:41
debfxximion: it's a configure option of Qt13:48
debfxximion: Debian hasn't converted Qt for multiarch (yet)13:48
ximiondebfx: ah, okay :)13:50
SpamapSpitti: oops I forgot to mention that the new upload actually fixes the regression that caused 778520 to fail14:01
pittiSpamapS: ah, can you then please reupload with -v to include the previous changelog?14:02
pittiSpamapS: I rejected your current upload, so you can re-use the version number14:02
SpamapSpitti: sure, I thought that was only necessary if it had actually been removed.14:02
pittiSpamapS: no, it needs to have all chagnelogs which have been piling up in -proposed until it gets into -updates14:03
SpamapSpitti: alright, re-uploaded with full changelog14:09
mterryev, you around?  I think the recent live cd problems are ubiquity problems14:15
evmterry: which ones, specifically?14:19
mterryev, sorry, the one where X doesn't come up14:20
mterryev, seems to be a gir problem in ubiquity-dm14:20
mterryGdkPixbuf.render_pixmap_and_mask isn't being found14:20
evah indeed, that's definitely on my list14:21
evjust sorting out the unicode issues in usersetup and friends first14:21
cjwatsonmterry: bug 83089214:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 830892 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "ubiquity-dm crashed with AttributeError in run(): 'Pixbuf' object has no attribute 'render_pixmap_and_mask' (dup-of: 830061)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83089214:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 830061 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "ubiquity-dm crashed with AttributeError in run(): 'Pixbuf' object has no attribute 'render_pixmap_and_mask'" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83006114:22
cjwatson(dup, but it has my first non-working sketch at a fix ...)14:22
mdeslaurslangasek, infinity: does this look sane to you? http://paste.ubuntu.com/674544/14:23
seb128ev, btw it's probably on your list as well but you still use gconf keys which are deprecated rather than gsettings14:24
seb128just saying it as a reminder, it will create bugs for proxy and things like that if you rely on gconf14:25
evokay, thanks for the reminder14:25
mterrycjwatson, thanks!14:26
shnatselHi everybody! I'm making an Ubuntu derivative and I'm trying to generate dependency lists using Germinate. All existing seed-based packages are limited to Ubuntu repositories; is there a way to make Germinate use several repositories, e.g. Ubuntu + PPAs?14:27
shnatsels/all existing packages/all the packages I could find/14:29
shnatselI couldn't find any docs about such things, and all the examples use Ubuntu repositories only14:32
mterryshnatsel, I really feel like it is possible.  I think I've done it before, but that was a long time ao14:34
mterryshnatsel, I don't remember details or where to point you, so that's useless info, sorry  :-/14:35
dokoDaviey, will nova reach main before the beta freeze?14:39
shnatselthat looks like bug 571793 also14:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 571793 in germinate (Ubuntu) "germinate cannot check another repository with a different dist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57179314:40
Davieydoko: no14:41
shnatselAh, I've found the format but bug 634831 will kill my attempts anyway14:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 634831 in germinate (Ubuntu) "germinate does not support multiple repositories on the same host" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63483114:41
Davieydoko: Well.. unless python-carrot can be thrown in main just to be demoted when a bug we are blocked on is satisifed.14:41
DavieyOr, just c-m stick on python-carrot.. either way14:42
cjwatsonshnatsel: oh, yeah, I was going to deal with that for Oneiric14:54
ahasenackhow do I get a verbose debian/rules file nowadays? dh_make just creates that two liner one now (%:\n\tdh $@)14:55
shnatselcjwatson: so, when can one expect the patch to land?14:55
cjwatsonshnatsel: over the next week or so14:55
azeemahasenack: the longer templates are still in the dh_make package I think14:55
cjwatsonahasenack: dh_make -r old, but why would you want to ...14:56
ahasenackazeem: dpkg -L dh-make | grep rules only gave me the short ones14:56
shnatselcjwatson: great, thanks! It's blocking all the fun in elementary OS ISO testing atm :(14:56
shnatsel(luckily we have Glimpse)14:56
ahasenackcjwatson: I need to customize this build a lot14:56
ahasenackI have 3 setup.py scripts I have to call, and produce 3 binary packages14:57
ahasenackhmm, no such option -r14:57
ahasenackI'm on lucid14:57
ahasenackhmm, wait14:58
ahasenack-r, --createorig14:58
ahasenackdoesn't sound related14:58
shnatselahasenack: I assume you want to get a list of all the actions taken by debhelper and override some of them with custom ones, right?14:59
ahasenackshnatsel: right, but it's not just override, I need to insert more actions in the middle14:59
ahasenackshnatsel: so when overriding, I actually want to preserve what was there already and just add new things15:00
shnatselahasenack: in such cases I usually override the action with itself and some added stuff15:00
ahasenackshnatsel: like dh_install_override: (stuff), but how to call the original dh_install?15:00
cjwatsonthis is documented ...15:01
cjwatsonman dh15:01
cjwatsonYM override_dh_install: and then you can just call dh_install, it won't infinite-recurse15:01
ahasenackok, that was a bad (simple) example15:02
ahasenackwhat about binary-indep:15:02
ahasenackit expands into a whole lot of dh_* commands15:02
cjwatsonyou don't override binary-indep en masse15:02
cjwatsonyou override individual ones15:02
shnatselahasenack: --before and --after ?15:02
cjwatsonthose are deprecated15:03
shnatseloh, I have an outdated man, sorry15:03
ahasenackexactly, so I need to know the individual ones15:03
shnatselahasenack: that's documented15:03
cjwatsonsure, but that's easy ...15:03
cjwatsonand you normally only need to override the ones that are relevant to your package15:03
shnatselTo see what commands are included in a sequence, without actually doing15:03
shnatsel       anything:15:03
shnatsel               dh binary-arch --no-act15:03
ahasenackshnatsel: that's why I wanted a template rules file with this filled in already15:03
cjwatsonshnatsel: http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debhelper/news/20110806T234709Z.html15:04
cjwatsonahasenack: I'm definitely not saying it's always easy, and there are cases where using the minimal rules file is more effort than it's worth; so far your case doesn't sound like one of those, though15:05
ahasenackcjwatson: I need to basically loop over three setup.py, located in three different directories. For some reason, upstream chose to have everything in one branch, but they distribute 3 separate tarballs15:06
ahasenackcjwatson: and I want to build from this branch15:06
cjwatsonso override dh_auto_build and dh_auto_install15:06
cjwatsonthat's all it takes to do that15:06
ahasenackcjwatson: ok,I will see what other actions dh_auto_build and dh_auto_install do, so I can preserve them where appropriate and insert my own15:07
shnatselgtg; cjwatson, thanks for your help!15:07
cjwatsondh_auto_build is a generic per-buildsystem equivalent of 'make' and dh_auto_install is a generic equivalent of 'make install'15:08
cjwatsonif you still want a better dh_make then it might be worth just grabbing the dh-make package from oneiric15:09
ahasenackI guess I need to look at an example with multiple binary packages and just using overrides in rules15:11
ahasenackno "expanded" rules file15:11
dholbachpitti, does the work item tracker add bugs that are linked to blueprints as work items?15:12
apwogasawara, just a heads up i've just discovered we didn't make a WI for reviewing compcache and family; came up cause its also not working as is.  Have added a new WI on delta-review for it15:12
ogasawaraapw: ack15:12
apwbah wrong channel15:12
cjwatsonahasenack: in roughly ascending order of complexity from my own packages: libpipeline, putty, groff (I'm afraid I have no python ones to show you off the top of my head, but python-ness and multi-binary-ness are pretty orthogonal really)15:14
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ahasenackcjwatson: ok, and you control which file goes into which package with <package>.install files15:16
cjwatsonright, generally15:17
ahasenackno need for -p <package> command line option to some dh_* tool15:17
ahasenackbut if there is, then you would need to put that in the rules file somewhere15:17
cjwatsonoccasionally you need those, but I find it's best to regard that as exceptional15:17
ahasenackI guess I was looking at older packages, I saw -p being used and thought I would need that and didn't look at <package>,install files15:18
ahasenackcjwatson: thanks, that helps15:19
ahasenackputty is "expanded" already15:20
cjwatsonnot in oneiric15:20
cjwatsonyou should take all my references as referring to the most current version, not whatever's in lucid15:20
ahasenackah, right, sorry :)15:20
ahasenackcjwatson: looks much simpler indeed15:24
pittidholbach: yes15:25
ahasenackcjwatson: I looked at this the other day and panicked: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~therve/twisted/debian/view/head:/rules15:25
ahasenackmaybe it's possible to build that with just overrides, maybe not15:26
cjwatsonyeah, I wouldn't have picked twisted as an example myself :)15:26
cjwatsonI would expect rather a lot of that could disappear if modernised15:26
ahasenackcool, hopefully one day I'll know enough to do that :)15:27
cjwatsonit is possible to build anything with just overrides; I'm pretty certain they're formally equivalent15:27
slangasekpitti: php5 has a FTBFS I can't reproduce locally, preventing the binary sqlite0 dep being dropped15:27
cjwatsonin some cases it produces something that's longer / harder to read than the original, and so isn't worth it; I don't *think* twisted would be such a case but I'd have to try it to be sure of that15:27
pittislangasek: ah, thanks for the info15:28
cjwatsonswitching d-i from long-form files to dh7 was a vast improvement in readability in almost all cases, because now the rules files only described what was unusual15:28
slangasekpitti: sure - guesses as to the cause of the FTBFS are welcome...15:28
tgardnerso whats the story on this? Its kind of got my desktop hosed.15:29
tgardnerThe following packages have unmet dependencies:15:29
tgardner ubuntu-desktop : Depends: unity but it is not going to be installed15:29
tgardner                  Depends: unity-2d but it is not going to be installed15:29
tgardnerE: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.15:29
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seb128tgardner, don't use dist-upgrade without reading what it wants to do15:30
tgardnerseb128, with the torrent of package updates daily, I'm unlikely to notice. the basic question, though, is why unity is uninstallable ?15:32
seb128tgardner, use upgrade instead of distr-upgrade or read what it wants to uninstall before saying yes15:34
seb128tgardner, because nux is abi instable and unity needs to be updated in the same upgrade run when there is a nux update15:34
cjwatsonhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/oneiric_probs.html unity isn't uninstallable right now but unity-2d is15:35
seb128tgardner, unity needs the new nux to build though so during the nux is built and unity is building you get those issues15:35
seb128cjwatson, yeah, cf #ubuntu-release ;-)15:35
seb128unity-2d needs either a no change update or a ffe for the new version15:35
andy753421Could I trouble someone in ubuntu-sponsors to finish a sync request for me for launchpad bugs 832611, 832613, and 832614?15:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 832613 in Ubuntu "Sync libgrits 0.5.1-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83261315:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 832611 in Ubuntu "Sync aweather 0.5.1-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83261115:35
seb128that's being worked15:35
cjwatsonSweetshark: can openoffice.org-l10n-be-by and openoffice.org-l10n-ns be removed from their source package?  their dependencies are uninstallable and I think removed15:36
tgardnerseb128, hrmph. I think I'll just go away and wait until its unf*cked.15:36
andy753421The feature freeze was approved, so i think it just need to be synced? (sorry for the last minute rush)15:36
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seb128tgardner, you can get the unity debs on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/4.10.0-0ubuntu115:36
slangasekmdeslaur: I would suggest not changing the debconf template names / var dir names as part of the transition (that way, previously-answered cache values can be reused); the "debconf" dependency should be replaced with ${misc:Depends} (noticed because you've dropped the | debconf-2.0 from the hand-written dep, which is incorrect); you seem to have dropped the versioned dependencies on libnss3-1d and libnspr4-0d, which were presumably there15:40
slangasek... reason; I think the Conflicts/Replaces on flashplugin-installer should be Breaks/Replaces (per policy); flashplugin-installer shouldn't be Multi-Arch: same (i386 and amd64 packages shouldn't be co-installable); prerm has some dead update-rc.d code that can be dropped, there is no flashplugin-downloader init script to clean up15:40
slangasekmdeslaur: that's it, just minor issues15:41
mdeslaurslangasek: the versioned deps on libnss3-1d and libnspr4-0d were for versions older than any release we support. Why can't debconf-2.0 be removed?15:44
cjwatsonbecause sooner or later we will manage to switch to cdebconf, and anything without | debconf-2.0 will impede that15:46
slangasekmdeslaur: debconf-2.0 is the virtual package refering to the debconf *interface* in use; there are two packages in the archive implementing it, debconf and cdebconf, and what cjwatson said15:46
cjwatsonwe went to all that effort to add it to everything ...15:46
cjwatsonI agree, just use ${misc:Depends}15:46
mdeslauroh! ok, I see15:47
Sweetsharkcjwatson: *sigh* does that have to be prebeta?15:47
cjwatsonSweetshark: I don't *think* so, although it's possible it will necessitate some annoying workarounds15:49
cjwatsonbut it needs to be done for release15:49
mdeslaurslangasek: do you'd keep installing everything in the /*/share/flashplugin-installer directories?15:49
Sweetsharkcjwatson: wont be a problem till the release15:49
cjwatsonSweetshark: thanks15:53
cjwatsonSweetshark: I think there are a few others too - check http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html15:54
slangasekmdeslaur: if you keep the same directories for /var, we can reuse the existing debconf settings with minimal work; I think that's more important than having consistency in the directory names under /var, but I don't feel too strongly about this15:55
mdeslaurslangasek: no, I agree now that I've thought about it. Thanks for your review!15:56
slangasekmdeslaur: actually, I would change the /var/lib and /usr/lib directory names to match the current package name - it's only /var/cache that gets referenced in the debconf question15:56
slangasekmdeslaur: no problem :)15:56
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mdeslaurslangasek: nspluginwrapper has some special case handling for /*/lib/flashplugin-installer, so I'll keep it as-is for now15:58
Laneycjwatson: added tasks to bug 80397815:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 803978 in monodevelop-debugger-mdb (Ubuntu) "Please remove from Oneiric" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80397815:58
slangasekmdeslaur: ah, ok15:58
apwpitti, i wonder if you'd have a few mins to review an initramfs-tools fix to fix up our utterly broke compcache support and switch it to zram drive: https://code.launchpad.net/~apw/ubuntu/oneiric/initramfs-tools/compcache-zram15:58
Laneywe'll be coming up with some more removals soon to complete the transition15:58
Laneyalso db4o is NEW if you fancy it15:58
apw(pitti of course that would not be something we'd want uploaded before b1 is out)16:00
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* ahasenack -> lunch16:06
dokosiretart, x264 ping16:07
Laneyall punted to -archive except for nlog removal which is coming up16:11
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mdeslaurslangasek, infinity: flashplugin-nonfree uploaded. thanks!16:22
DavieyDoes this mean we can all have glorious flash agin?16:23
ionFSVO glorious16:24
siretartdoko: hi16:28
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infinitymdeslaur: New binary accepted.  Please submit it to rigorous upgrade testing.  Pretty please? :)16:57
mdeslaurinfinity: I tested it before uploading16:58
infinitymdeslaur: I assumed.16:58
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slangasekmdeslaur: thanks for taking care of it :)17:09
mdzkees, Keybuk, pitti, will you be attending techboard in 30 minutes?17:27
mdz(cjwatson and sabdfl sent apologies already)17:27
sgnbinfinity: you can sync ocaml-extunix from sid now17:32
pittimdz: yes17:45
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pittimdz: who is chairing today?17:46
mdzpitti, I am17:47
ScottKslangasek: I have this feeling https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20110816/+build/2697906/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-i386.korundum_4%3A4.7.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz is multiarch related.  I'd appreciate any hints you might have to offer.17:56
slangasekScottK: has akonadi been rebuilt yet for multiarched qt?  It embeds paths in its cmake files, so at minimum needs a no-change rebuild17:58
slangasek(debfx commented the other day that he'd like to fix this "properly" in cmake, but that's a tall order)17:59
slangasekah yes, you did that rebuild on the 18th17:59
ScottKslangasek: Yep.18:00
slangasekcould be the same problem in another library further up the stack.  libsoprano, probably?18:00
ScottKI'll try it.18:00
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shbkdoes anybody have experience with compiling of modules for kernel?   I've described problem detailed here : http://gekannt.narod2.ru/       .thanks in advance18:13
pittidrat, ubiquity seems to silently crash with new pygobject18:13
pittiev: ^ did you happen to try ubiquity with the pygobject 2.90 packages already? I'm going to look into this, but want to avoid double work in debugging18:14
shbkI can't find linux/module.h,  do I need to recompile kernel?18:15
cjwatsonapt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)18:16
DavieyFor dh python2 transitions, is python > 2.6.6-3~ a requirement or a recommendation... and could i have some more detail on the reasoning please?18:17
shbkI have done this18:17
sladenshbk: install linux-headers-*  http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=linux/module.h18:17
shbksh@sh-laptop:~$ uname -r18:17
shbkI have headers18:17
cjwatsonperhaps your module's build system is broken then18:17
shbkI didn't do nothing them yet, honestly18:17
cjwatsonit should (IIRC) be passing -I/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include to the compile18:17
cjwatsonand if you're running gcc by hand, you'll need to do that18:18
shbkI'm trying18:18
ScottKslangasek: Seemed to help.  I'll clean this up and go for it.  Thanks.18:18
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slangasekScottK: cool-o18:19
mdzpitti, cjwatson, Keybuk, who chaired the previous meeting? no minutes went out18:22
shbkI 've done,  nevertheless,I 'am receiving new errors   : gcc  -DMODULE -D__KERNEL__ -I/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include hello.c -o hello.o18:22
shbkIn file included from /lib/modules/2.6.32-33-generic/build/include/linux/list.h:6,18:22
shbk                 from /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-33/include/linux/module.h:9,18:22
shbk                 from hello.c:1:18:22
shbk/lib/modules/2.6.32-33-generic/build/include/linux/prefetch.h:14:27: error: asm/processor.h: No such file or directory18:22
shbk/lib/modules/2.6.32-33-generic/build/include/linux/prefetch.h:15:23: error: asm/cache.h: No such file or directory18:22
shbkIn file included from /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-33/include/linux/module.h:9,18:22
pittimdz: I'm not sure, I was on the desktop summit and couldn't attend18:22
shbkand futher futher futher...18:22
Keybukmdz: I did18:22
shbkhere is full listing http://gekannt.narod2.ru/ on the right side18:22
shbkany ideas?18:22
cjwatsonI suggest that either #ubuntu or #ubuntu-kernel would be more appropriate18:23
shbkI was sent from ubuntu)18:23
cjwatsonthey were wrong18:23
cjwatsonsorry, but this isn't an escalated support channel and they should know that ...18:23
shbkmay it will be better to reinstall ubuntu or  reinstall headers?18:24
shbkmay it help?18:24
cjwatsonvast overkill and will not help.18:24
cjwatsonyou just need a fixed module build system, but (a) I don't know the exact details and (b) this isn't the right place18:24
shbkwell , nevetheless thanks for #ubuntu-kernel)18:25
cjwatsonyou might look for a competently maintained module and borrow its build system18:26
cjwatsonI suspect it might end up including /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/Makefile somewhere along the way, but I haven't looked at any of this for ages18:26
cjwatsonrolling your own build system is unlikely to be a good use of time, anyway18:26
sladenshbk: http://lwn.net/images/pdf/LDD3/ch02.pdf18:30
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shbkI 've started from this book, authors are Alessandro Rubini && jonatan Corbet, I'm in a circle)18:45
sgnbinfinity: and oasis should be rebuilt as well19:08
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dokoDaviey, soren: rampart seems to belong to the eucalyptus stack, but is still in main. could you have a look?19:31
dokosame for axis2c19:31
sorenAFAIK, they were only there for Eucalyptus' sake. If nothing else needs them, I don't see any reason not to demote them.19:32
Davieydoko: Oh, that can go.  Infact, i'd like to kill our debain delta on that.. but that is unrelated.19:38
dokoDaviey, well, find out what keeps it in main ...19:43
Davieydoko: I can't see that anything is, it's not directly seeded - and it's rdepends are all universe. :/19:50
stgraberdoko: where do you see it still in main? A quick lookup here shows me that source is in universe and all its binaries too19:51
stgraberdoko: same with axis2c actually, source and binaries appear as being in universe here (up to date oneiric)19:52
Davieydoko: where are you seeing it in main?19:52
Davieystgraber: yeah, that is what i am seeing.19:52
dokostgraber, ahh, fooled by the test rebuild page19:54
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pittidarn LibO FTBFS, seems to stumble over new libpq-dev from today :/20:16
ahasenackis there a mailing lest to send basic packaging questions to? Perhaps motu?20:19
jtaylorahasenack: the best place to ask is probably debian-mentors@lists.debian.org or #ubuntu-packaging on freenode and #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org20:23
ahasenackjtaylor: cool, didn't know about #ubuntu-packaging either, thanks20:24
QuintasanHow do I disable multiarch?20:37
tjaaltonQuintasan: install i386 version, or another distro ;)20:42
slangasekQuintasan: what about multiarch is it that you want to disable?20:43
tjaaltonactually, i386 is equally multiarch so scratch that..20:43
infinityi386 has multiarch too.  But I assume he meants "how do I make it stop downloading Packages files for another arch?"20:43
Quintasaninfinity: yeah, this is confusing to say at least20:44
QuintasanLike getting conflicts on installing pbuilder20:44
slangasekthat's not multiarch's fault20:45
QuintasanWell, maybe not pbuilder20:45
QuintasanWell, let me put it other way -> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/08/25/plasma-desktopJN2047.jpg <-- this doesn't look helpful no matter how I look at it20:46
slangasekso if you're sure you want to disable multiarch, edit /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch and comment out the line20:47
infinityslangasek: Oh.  Do you know if there a bug filed (or a dpkg patch in the works) for why wildcard matches on dpkg -l don't show foreign arch packages?20:47
Quintasanslangasek: Can bad things happen when I disable it?20:47
infinityslangasek: (Compare the output of "dpkg -l zlib\* | grep ^i" with "dpkg -l | grep '^ii  zlib'")20:47
slangasekthough if you were to help improve aptitude to do more sensible things with multiarch, that would be better :)20:47
slangasekinfinity: dpkg -l zlib:* - not a bug but a deliberate design decision20:47
slangaseksorry, dpkg -l zlib*:*20:48
slangasekQuintasan: you won't be able to install flashplugin, nspluginwrapper, or skype (from partner)20:48
slangasekif you don't care about those things, there are no other consequences for you currently :)20:48
infinityslangasek: Hrm.  That's deliberate?  Seems a bit goofy and unintuitive to me.  But okay.20:48
slangasekinfinity: it's a backwards-compatibility thing20:48
slangasekbuxy can explain in detail :)20:49
infinityslangasek: Yeah, I guess I can see that.  Still wildly unintuitive.20:49
infinityslangasek: I don't need detail, I can see why.20:49
tumbleweedaptitude seems to want to get rid of all my i386 packages, whenever there's any dependency problems *anywhere* (not related to the i386 packages) :/20:49
slangasekyep, sorry about that20:50
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micahgtumbleweed: bug 83176820:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 831768 in aptitude (Ubuntu) "aptitude cannot handle the same packages of different architectures being installed" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83176820:50
slangasekupdate-manager and software-center both do better20:50
infinityAnd apt.20:50
slangaseksynaptic, aptitude, dselect all still have gaps20:50
infinityI wonder how dselect's coping.20:50
infinityAhh. :)20:50
slangasekinfinity: except for the lack of interactivity for apt :)20:50
infinityslangasek: Yeah.20:50
Quintasanslangasek: so flashplugin-installer pulling i386 libs is normal now?20:50
tumbleweedslangasek: sure, but none of them handle interactive upgrades (like we all need every day)20:50
infinityWell, if I want interactive, I still prefer dselect (I know, I'm weird), but I very rarely need that sort of thing anyway.20:51
tumbleweedah, that was mentioned :)20:51
infinityQuintasan: It always has, it just used to do it via the gian ia32-libs blob, and now it does it correctly. :P20:51
slangasekQuintasan: yes - ia32-libs is die-die-die-deprecated20:51
QuintasanI see20:51
slangasekit was an unmaintainable stopgap solution20:51
slangasektumbleweed: actually, update-manager does me fine for daily interactive upgrades20:52
infinityI have no real issues with apt for my daily oneiric upgrades...20:53
infinityBut then again, I tend to feed it the same sort of info I'd give an interactive package manager.20:53
QuintasanIs this also normal?20:53
micahgslangasek: update-manager doesn't show the change in package sizes, which is why I like aptitude20:53
infinity(apt-get --purge install add1 add2 remove1- remove2-)20:53
slangasekQuintasan: that's an oft-reported bug, it may have to do with missing i386 libraries; which version of flashplugin-installer do you have currently?20:54
slangasek(4ubuntu4 was uploaded today which should fix this)20:54
slangasekinfinity: shorter: apt-get purge add1+ add2+ remove1 remove220:54
infinityslangasek: Oh right, because purge is actually just "--purge remove" now, isn't it?20:55
Quintasanslangasek: I see, my mirror must be out of date then20:55
Quintasan4ubuntu3 here20:55
infinityslangasek: And remove is actually just negative install.  Clever.20:55
* Quintasan changes to us mirror20:56
slangasekQuintasan: yes - so you have the 4ubuntu3 amd64 flashplugin-installer, which relies on ia32-libs for the libraries and that no longer works.  Upgrading should fix that20:56
slangasekmdeslaur: I don't suppose you closed the million open bugs on flashplugin-nonfree when you uploaded? :)20:56
mdeslaurslangasek: I just closed the one I was subscribed to...let me take a look20:57
Quintasanus mirror ++20:58
Quintasanslangasek: Indeed, that worked.20:58
slangasekmdeslaur: actually, I guess they're probably filed against nspluginwrapper... bug #833558, bug #83078421:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 833558 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "package flashplugin-installer (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (dup-of: 830802)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83355821:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 830802 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Firefox freezes and grays out because of missing i386 Flash Player dependencies on x86-64" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83080221:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 830784 in nspluginwrapper (Ubuntu) "Problem when installing flashplugin" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83078421:01
slangasekQuintasan: good good.  I'll do an upload of ia32-libs to make the upgrade a bit more seamless too.21:01
mdeslaurslangasek: I've just duped a bunch of flashplugin-nonfree bugs, I'll take a look at nspluginwrapper21:02
slangasekmdeslaur: ta :)21:02
* Quintasan is not sure how multiarch is better but he can help with testing21:02
slangasekQuintasan: because when a security upload is done for a library, it becomes available to all users immediately via the i386 package instead of requiring somebody to upload an ia32-libs source package the size of a CD21:03
QuintasanWell, I can't dispute with that ^_^21:04
slangasekhere, you can watch me blather on about multiarch at length if you like. :) meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2011/debconf11/high/747_Multiarch_in_Debian_6_months_or_6_years_on.ogv21:05
* Quintasan downloads21:11
QuintasanWoah, 540MB21:11
Quintasanslangasek: You must have had a hard time talking so long :P21:11
slangasekyou clearly haven't met me21:12
QuintasanMaybe we can meet at UDS21:12
slangasekare you coming to this one?21:12
QuintasanNo idea, I need sponsorship to go there :)21:13
* Quintasan is just a high school student21:13
infinityYou don't want to listen to slangasek speak.  It's a trap.  Don't do it.21:13
stgraberslangasek: and there go my next 40 minutes ;) needed a break anyway21:14
slangasekstgraber: hey, slacker, I didn't say *you* should watch it! :)21:19
slangasekQuintasan: did you apply for sponsorship?  I believe the sponsorship queue is closed now21:20
Quintasanslangasek: I did apply, waiting for result :P21:20
slangasekyeah, the queue *just* closed, decisions haven't been made yet21:21
stgraberslangasek: :)21:21
infinitypitti: You have a sync sitting unflushed on cocoplum, did you plan to do something with that? (pygobject-2)21:21
slangasekI guess that's the one he was still trying to work out whether it breaks ubiquity21:22
infinitypitti: Err, nevermind, was just a crufty source package, not an upload.21:23
infinitypitti: Ignore me. :)21:23
infinityslangasek: Yeah, it didn't have a changes file.  flush-syncs (helpfully?) deleted it on cleanup though. :P21:23
slangasekok :)21:23
ScottKdoko: Would you please retry korundum in the archive rebuild?21:29
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astraljavaStumbling with germinate, how do you guys test seeds locally? I can't seem to get the command just right.22:09
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astraljavaFigured that I need to use the --bzr option, but now I stumble on missing platform.oneiric seed.22:12
infinityastraljava: -S http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ -d oneiric -s ubuntu.oneiric22:14
infinityastraljava: (For example)22:14
infinityastraljava: The manpage is reasonably verbose.22:14
infinityastraljava: Or are you running it against a local bzr branch that's incomplete?22:16
astraljavainfinity: Not a local one, but one that's in LP.22:18
astraljavaBut not yet uploaded for spinning the images.22:18
infinityastraljava: Well, if you have a seed that depends on another branch (like ubuntu.oneiric depends on platform.oneiric), I suspect you'll need side-by-side branches of both.  But don't quote me on that, I've never tried.22:19
astraljavainfinity: Right. I see from germinate logs, that it tries to fetch platform.oneiric when building Studio images, but continues even when not finding such. But it doesn't seem to work locally.22:20
infinityI don't recall it having any clever fallback code for dependencies, though, so you probably need to copy all the deps.22:20
astraljavaActually, it does fallback on ~ubuntu-core-dev's platform. How can I do that locally?22:23
astraljavaCouldn't find that bit of information from the manpages, while admittedly they're pretty elaborate, like you mentioned.22:25
infinityNot entirely sure.  You might be able to specify -S more than once.  Like I said, never tried.  I have a local mirror of all the seeds anyway.22:27
astraljavaThanks, that was all I needed. Just branched platform.oneiric, and I'm good to go. Cheers! :)22:29
astraljavaJust have to remember to bzr update it regularily, I suppose.22:29
dokoScottK, done22:35
keesslangasek: so... multiarch silliness.22:59
keesmy system doesn't seem to acknowledge that :i386 exists.22:59
kees$ cat /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch22:59
keesforeign-architecture i38622:59
keesE: Unable to locate package flashplugin-downloader:i38622:59
slangasekkees: apt-get update'd?23:01
keesslangasek: yup. it's up to date.23:02
keesthough it's as if apt is ignoring i38623:02
slangasekkees: mv /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin* /somewhereelse?23:02
slangasek(&& apt-get update again)23:02
keesslangasek: nope :(23:04
infinitykees: apt-get update doesn't even show i386 Packages files being downloaded?23:04
slangasekkees: is your local mirror amd64-only?23:05
keesinfinity: it doesn't show i386 being fetched, no. slangasek: my mirror is both.23:05
kees(but I'm pulling from the main archive too)23:05
slangasekkees: local apt config settings that are overriding dpkg?23:06
keesthere used to be a second apt config to turn on multiarch...23:06
slangasekkees: apt *defaults* to what dpkg uses, but you can override it23:06
vista_killeri have this bug with kernel module nv_tco https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/79108923:07
ubottuUbuntu bug 791089 in linux (Ubuntu) "crash after rebooting or shutting down from Ubuntu 11.04" [Undecided,Confirmed]23:07
slangasekkees: $ apt-config dump | grep APT::Architectures23:07
vista_killeri have the same bug to 11.04 and now after the upgrade i find that the bug still exists23:07
keesslangasek: ah-ha. that's it. when "getting rid" of the apt multi-arch config, I left it _defined_ as amd64. I need to drop the entire line.23:08
keesmuuuuch better23:09
slangasekvista_killer: this is not a support channel; you could try asking on #ubuntu-kernel, you'd at least be more likely to reach the right audience for your question there23:10
slangasekkees: aha :)23:10
vista_killerok sorry23:10
keesslangasek: wow. that is a lot of :i386 to install. :)23:11
slangasekkees: software is complicated :P23:14
keesslangasek: ia32-libs is huge ;)23:14
StevenKIt used to be bigger ...23:15
RAOFBoo.  wine's broken.23:15
SpamapSHm, if something is open source (eucalyptus) but only works properly with sun java .. is it appropriate to move it to multiverse?23:15
micahgSpamapS: is this new? wasn't it in main?23:16
SpamapSmicahg: eucalyptus was dropped to universe for 11.1023:17
micahgSpamapS: right, I meant the java dep23:17
SpamapSand now bug 791607 is apparently stumping their engineers or something23:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 791607 in eucalyptus (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Oneiric Eucalyptus fails to start up" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79160723:17
SpamapSActually I think the deal was that they wanted to do euca 3.0 but that release date is slipping.23:17
micahgslangasek: can you please copy an update for me?23:22
micahgSpamapS: is it a build or run time dependency?23:26
micahgSpamapS: ah, I see the comment in the bug, I don't think it would need to move to multiverse if it recommends non-free software, but you wouldn't be able to add a depends on something in partner AFAIK23:27
kees libssl1.0.0:i386 1.0.0d-2ubuntu2 (Multi-Arch: same) is not co-installable with libssl1.0.0:amd64 1.0.0d-2ubuntu1 (Multi-Arch: no) which is currently installed23:35
micahgkees: did you enable multiarch?23:36
keesmicahg: I did. seems dpkg is unhappy. doing some manual per-package installs now...23:36
keeswow, it's blowing up on all kinds of stuff :(23:37
micahgkees: I assume you're dist-upgrading?23:38
keesyeah :)23:38
keesheh,    while ! apt-get dist-upgrade ; do apt-get -f install ; done   ;)23:40
dokokees: add a dpkg --configure --pending in between23:46
keesdoko: ah, yeah, good idea.23:46
micahgStevenK: are you available for an archive copy?23:48
StevenKmicahg: What are you after?23:50
micahgStevenK: ubuntu-mozilla-security thunderbird 3.1.12+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.10.04.1 to lucid-security23:50
slangasekRAOF: wine broken how?23:52
slangasekSpamapS: yeah, I think a depends on sun-java would translate to multiverse :/23:52
slangasekmicahg: sure, what's the update?23:52
micahgslangasek: ah, I ask StevenK already, but thanks23:53
slangasekoh, did StevenK take this one?23:53
StevenKI haven't yet23:54
slangasekgot it then23:56
slangasekmicahg: done23:56
micahgslangasek: thanks23:56
cndhave we entered beta freeze yet?23:57
cndor can I push a small ftbfs fix still23:58
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cndhmm… looks like I just missed it23:59
micahgcnd: if it's needed for beta, I believe so23:59

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