| ali1234 | find the datasheet for the chip | 00:21 |
|---|---|---|
| ali1234 | that will reveal all | 00:21 |
| daubers | lo | 06:59 |
| diplo | Morning | 06:59 |
| * daubers puts the kettle on branches some code and makes some cocoa pops | 07:10 | |
| diplo | makes cocoa pops? You have zeee recipe?!?! | 07:22 |
| diplo | :P | 07:22 |
| daubers | diplo: Easiest recipe of all. 1. Open box, 2. Pour in bowl, 3. add milk, 4. Nom nom nom nom nom nom | 07:28 |
| diplo | :o | 07:28 |
| diplo | Really don't know how people have chocolate cereals, especially early morning | 07:29 |
| diplo | My kids love them | 07:29 |
| popey | mine too | 07:31 |
| popey | they prefer chocolate croissants | 07:32 |
| diplo | yeah really anything with a hint of chocolate goes down well | 07:35 |
| diplo | :( | 07:35 |
| diplo | Bad dad! | 07:35 |
| daubers | \o/ Cocoa pops are a treat for me these days | 07:37 |
| daubers | Normally eat either toast or weetabix type stuffs | 07:37 |
| * daubers ponders where that pesky struct definition is hiding | 07:39 | |
| midmandle | lo all | 07:39 |
| diplo | morning midmandle | 07:40 |
| MooDoo | hello all | 07:50 |
| popey | hahah http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/25/alleged-hp-touchpad-running-android-appears-can-be-yours-on-eba/ | 07:52 |
| diplo | heh just saw that myself popey | 08:09 |
| diplo | Be good if it is legit, save a lot of dev time | 08:09 |
| popey | i like the claims that its fake | 08:09 |
| diplo | yeah.. quite understandable if qualcomm were testing it under android, especially if they heard from HP that it may be dropped | 08:10 |
| JamesTait | Good morning, everyone! | 08:10 |
| popey | pondering taking my usb dongle and wifi access point on holiday :D | 08:10 |
| oimon | i'd do it | 08:19 |
| dwatkins | I'd just take the dongle and a netbook, start a network from there. | 08:19 |
| oimon | tethering is allowed on my t-mob contract so i do that instead | 08:20 |
| popey | dwatkins: i have already put openwrt on a router, so its all ready to go :D | 08:21 |
| popey | just plug it in | 08:21 |
| dwatkins | popey: nice :) I'm considering getting a Linksys for Tomato fun | 08:22 |
| dwatkins | How does it connect to the dongle, popey? | 08:22 |
| popey | usb port | 08:23 |
| dwatkins | oh nice, which model of router? | 08:23 |
| popey | netgear wndr3700 | 08:23 |
| dwatkins | cheers, will have a look into that | 08:24 |
| popey | yay Laney | 08:39 |
| bigcalm | Hello peeps | 08:40 |
| MooDoo | hullo | 08:41 |
| Laney | ???????? | 08:47 |
| popey | DMB mail | 08:47 |
| Laney | oh yar darling | 08:48 |
| matti | :) | 08:48 |
| === denny- is now known as denny | ||
| bigcalm | It's weird that it feels like Monday because I had yesterday off sick. 2 Mondays in one week, woe is me | 08:57 |
| kirrus | Could be worse.. you could have had tuesday and thursday off, and so had a week of mondays.. | 08:58 |
| diplo | Anyone use dvgrab in here ? | 08:59 |
| diplo | Very new to video | 08:59 |
| AlanBell | diplo: yes | 09:00 |
| diplo | Any tips, I have got an old Sharp Tape camcorder from my dad, he has never copied captures from tapes | 09:01 |
| diplo | Want to create him a dvd | 09:01 |
| diplo | So using dvgrab to take footage off | 09:01 |
| diplo | Seems to split into 1GB files when I save in dv | 09:01 |
| diplo | Just googling for some examples atm, but thought I'd ask to see what people in here use | 09:02 |
| AlanBell | yes, it does that | 09:02 |
| AlanBell | you can load them into openshot or another editor and then export the whole thing as something else | 09:03 |
| diplo | Cool, just installed openshot, will give it another try now | 09:03 |
| oimon | one of the kde apps is good for dv capture. | 09:04 |
| oimon | kino or kdenlive , can't remember which | 09:04 |
| diplo | yeah kino i keep seeing | 09:05 |
| oimon | but i didn't use it for editing. openshot or pitivi ..kino kept crashing | 09:05 |
| diplo | dvgrab seems to be working fairly well, going to experiment | 09:07 |
| diplo | Trying autosplit now so it's ready to be used directly in openshot without me cutting it | 09:07 |
| diplo | All new to me | 09:07 |
| diplo | :) | 09:07 |
| diplo | AlanBell, --size 0 stops the default 1gb limit fyi | 09:08 |
| AlanBell | nice | 09:10 |
| diplo | Seems my fathers camera skills aren't that great :D | 09:11 |
| daubers | wGAHHHHHHH | 09:12 |
| daubers | Commenting a structure with just it's own name IS NOT HELPFUL | 09:13 |
| oimon | although ginormous files loaded into the app might increase tendency to crash :P | 09:13 |
| diplo | Seems most files are 200mb each with autosplit set | 09:14 |
| HazRPG | MartijnVdS: Oh, my sister tried to use her MP3 player again today... after I'd created that file yesterday... and still no joy... | 09:29 |
| MartijnVdS | HazRPG: you might need to run something on those files to generate the udev rules | 09:29 |
| HazRPG | MartijnVdS: ah | 09:29 |
| HazRPG | MartijnVdS: *shrug* | 09:29 |
| MartijnVdS | HazRPG: check out the source of the music-player-info package (media-player-info?) and see what it does on build | 09:29 |
| MartijnVdS | HazRPG: also, file that bug :) | 09:29 |
| HazRPG | MartijnVdS: I shall :) | 09:32 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:42 |
| popey | Yes, it is! | 09:43 |
| brobostigon | yes. | 09:43 |
| oimon | rather wet here | 09:43 |
| brobostigon | dry here. | 09:43 |
| popey | Indoors here. | 09:44 |
| brobostigon | same. | 09:44 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Just ordered a little RGB LED kit so I can do this: http://blog.thiseldo.co.uk/?p=574 | 09:44 |
| oimon | the view from my window is so grey today it reminds me of when i visited communist russia | 09:45 |
| popey | :D | 09:45 |
| gord | sunnyhere! :P | 09:48 |
| * Hippychick steals gord's sun | 09:48 | |
| MartijnVdS | We only get rain here :( | 09:48 |
| MooDoo | blimey i've just noticed, it's quite sunny here too :S | 09:49 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | drizzle here - but clearing by the looks of it. | 09:49 |
| * bigcalm enjoys the sun while he can | 09:49 | |
| * Hippychick steals MooDoo's sun too | 09:49 | |
| bigcalm | It's taking the edge off the oggflu | 09:50 |
| Hippychick | i want sun!! its tipping it down here :( | 09:50 |
| oimon | oggcamp..where the only viruses you get are human ones... | 09:50 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | bigcalm: "oggflu"? | 09:50 |
| oimon | i wonder how many touchpads we would have seen if oggcamp was next weekend :D | 09:51 |
| gord | *NO STEALING THE SUN* | 09:52 |
| * MartijnVdS steals gord's thunder instead | 09:52 | |
| * brobostigon steals someones mental stability. | 09:52 | |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: What would you want with THAT?! ) | 09:52 |
| MartijnVdS | :) | 09:53 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: enhancing my own. :) | 09:53 |
| daubers | urgh | 09:54 |
| daubers | I _hate_ samba | 09:54 |
| BigRedS | daubers: I maintain that it's mostly there to piss people off | 09:54 |
| popey | A parcel has arrived at work for me | 09:57 |
| popey | i am not there | 09:57 |
| popey | I said co-workers could open it. this may not have been wise | 09:58 |
| rowinggolfer | popey, is it an invite for you to take over from Steve jobs. | 09:58 |
| brobostigon | a new toy? | 09:58 |
| popey | It must be | 09:58 |
| oimon | is it a graze box? | 09:58 |
| daubers | BigRedS: I'm trying to understand how to build a VFS module, can't get the blasted things to poxy build :( | 09:58 |
| davmor2 | morning all | 09:58 |
| davmor2 | popey: more of a demand I think :) | 09:58 |
| diplo | gord, I failed last night on my plugin :( | 09:58 |
| daubers | Even their "example" doesn't build | 09:58 |
| diplo | But found some good documentation for debugging today | 09:59 |
| davmor2 | oimon: how's your tablet now? | 09:59 |
| diplo | So v2 tonight | 09:59 |
| bigcalm | TheOpenSourcerer: oggflu is the bug that a few people picked up from oggcamp | 09:59 |
| oimon | davmor2: getting on OK.. played with it last night as i watched the footy | 09:59 |
| diplo | Got to say xbmc wiki is very good, lots of good info | 09:59 |
| oimon | very nice for reading books, pdf, and web browsing | 09:59 |
| diplo | bigcalm, I used to go to Multiplay I Series events, we all used to get I Flu or some other variant whilst we were there | 10:00 |
| oimon | i'm missing certain android apps, especially dedicated email | 10:00 |
| davmor2 | oimon: are you liking it a bit more now more to the point :) | 10:00 |
| diplo | I found a fix | 10:00 |
| diplo | Eat healthy whilst away and you don't suffer | 10:00 |
| oimon | davmor2: yes :) | 10:00 |
| oimon | the facebook app is amazing, have you seen the newspaper layout mode? | 10:00 |
| popey | its a book | 10:01 |
| popey | co-worker took a picture of it, I suspect he used word lens | 10:02 |
| bigcalm | Spanish? :D | 10:02 |
| popey | the title is "ODIDRA SCITOBOR" | 10:02 |
| popey | no the free version | 10:02 |
| bigcalm | Didn't know there was a free version | 10:02 |
| popey | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Arduino-Robotics-John-David-Warren/dp/1430231831/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314266658&sr=8-1 | 10:04 |
| popey | i didnt order that | 10:04 |
| popey | dunno why I have a copy on my des | 10:04 |
| popey | +k | 10:04 |
| oimon | check out the optional newspaper view of facebook http://ubuntuone.com/p/1Ck1/ | 10:04 |
| popey | thats quite cute | 10:05 |
| * popey notes there is no facebook app for ipad | 10:05 | |
| oimon | orly? | 10:05 |
| popey | YA RLY | 10:05 |
| oimon | there's no g+ app or other google apps for TP /webos | 10:06 |
| oimon | but the web browser works and the OS multitasks well so it's ok | 10:06 |
| oimon | flash support is great | 10:07 |
| * oimon thinks popey has a secret admirer | 10:10 | |
| dogmatic69 | going through the TV setup menu the other day and noticed it was running linux :D | 10:12 |
| dogmatic69 | -> http://www.am-linux.jp/ | 10:13 |
| AlanBell | sky boxes run Linux too | 10:15 |
| brobostigon | :) | 10:15 |
| brobostigon | yes. | 10:15 |
| AlanBell | they did an over the air upgrade from BSD to Linux | 10:15 |
| diplo | Busybox isn't it ? | 10:15 |
| * daubers breaks down | 10:15 | |
| AlanBell | I would *not* like to be the person pressing the release button on that one | 10:16 |
| daubers | So, I think no-one in the entire world knows how to make samba VFS modules anymore | 10:16 |
| AlanBell | daubers: #samba-technical | 10:17 |
| popey | oimon: thing is that it came to my work address | 10:18 |
| oimon | they didn't want your wife to know :) | 10:18 |
| oimon | robot love | 10:18 |
| popey | :D | 10:18 |
| popey | well, more, how did they know my work address | 10:18 |
| daubers | AlanBell: The place questions go unanswered even if you ask 2 or three times a week | 10:19 |
| AlanBell | oh :( | 10:19 |
| daubers | AlanBell: #samba just point me there too | 10:19 |
| daubers | I also have a feeling that debian/ubuntu are packaging up the wrong examples for the current samba release | 10:20 |
| diplo | bigcalm, you are the one with the superhub aren't you ? | 10:28 |
| popey | o/ and me | 10:29 |
| bigcalm | diplo: I am one of the unfortunate, yes | 10:29 |
| popey | haha | 10:29 |
| diplo | VM Preps firmware update for Glitchy superhub post on the register | 10:29 |
| bigcalm | Ooooo | 10:29 |
| popey | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/25/virgin_media_superhub_update/ | 10:29 |
| diplo | Sorry didn't link, looking on my other machine | 10:29 |
| diplo | There is a beta community.. maybe worth joining :) | 10:30 |
| popey | I'd rather not :D | 10:31 |
| bigcalm | Aye | 10:34 |
| bigcalm | Things improved when the hub was replaced | 10:34 |
| oimon | interesting post on gnome planet about echo cancellation in pulse audio http://arunraghavan.net/2011/08/hello-hello-hello/ | 10:35 |
| daubers | GAHHHH | 10:36 |
| daubers | Finally found some useful docs, but the examples don't match up to what the docs are saying and bits of the docs talk about things that no longer exist | 10:41 |
| directhex | AlanBell, i thought sky boxes ran vxworks | 10:51 |
| AlanBell | some might, my sky+HD box is running Linux | 10:55 |
| oimon | do they distribute source? | 10:56 |
| directhex | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40369 | 10:56 |
| lubotu3 | Freedesktop bug 40369 in New device "New devices - HP Pre 3, HP Touchpad" [Normal,New] | 10:56 |
| directhex | oimon, http://www1.sky.com/opensourcesoftware/SkyHD/opensourcesoftwaredownloads.html | 10:56 |
| daubers | Does anyone know anyone on the samba project who actually gives a damn? | 11:02 |
| AlanBell | they did a release 2 days ago so it is an active project | 11:09 |
| AlanBell | http://samba.org/samba/history/samba-3.4.15.html | 11:09 |
| dwatkins | Setting up samba was always a bit of a nightmare for me as there are so many possibilities. | 11:12 |
| dwatkins | All I wanted was LDAP integration, but it wasn't easy. | 11:13 |
| dwatkins | When I finally got it to work, NMB would end up randomly using 100% of cpu after a few days. | 11:13 |
| directhex | well, emulating windows software is a recipe for fail | 11:14 |
| directhex | (NOTE: THIS IS A JOKE) | 11:15 |
| dwatkins | directhex: I appreciate your comment, yes | 11:15 |
| bigcalm | !ping | 11:18 |
| lubotu3 | another contentless ping... sigh... | 11:18 |
| bigcalm | I </3 VM | 11:18 |
| MartijnVdS | !ping boo | 11:18 |
| oimon | ldap integration and samba works fine for me, we have it on multiple servers | 11:19 |
| Chrisu | hi... Can anybody help me on 11.04 with the 5.1 surround? I can't make it work..:( | 11:32 |
| MartijnVdS | Chrisu: how is your 5.1 system connected? | 11:33 |
| MartijnVdS | Chrisu: HDMI, S/PDIF (digital), or several analog cables? | 11:34 |
| Myrtti | Chrisu: crossposting on several channels is a bit boring | 11:34 |
| MartijnVdS | Myrtti: Not everyone is on multiple channels though | 11:34 |
| Chrisu | its a cable with 2 jacks black and yellow at one end (goes in the system) and at the other end is Jack like a headphone (goes in the PC) | 11:34 |
| Myrtti | MartijnVdS: no, but if you're given an advice X on channel Y and advice N on channel M, it gets difficult to follow and you might get contradicting advice | 11:35 |
| MartijnVdS | Myrtti: true | 11:35 |
| Myrtti | MartijnVdS: also, many people ARE on multiple channels | 11:35 |
| MartijnVdS | Chrisu: sounds like you only have a single (stereo) analog cable then | 11:36 |
| MartijnVdS | Chrisu: you won't get 5.1 out of that. | 11:36 |
| Chrisu | It's ok guys... I just posted on multiple channels hoping that sombody wich is not on all channels that knows will help me. | 11:36 |
| Chrisu | MartijnVdS: Oh... then what cable do I need? :-s | 11:36 |
| MartijnVdS | Chrisu: several of those cables (one per 2 channels), or if your machine supports it: an optical cable or a coaxial ("s/pdif") cable | 11:38 |
| Chrisu | well.. i only got slots for microphone jack, out and in. | 11:38 |
| Chrisu | in my PC | 11:38 |
| MartijnVdS | Chrisu: sometimes those switch to extra output ports if you select "analog surround" in the sound preferences screen | 11:39 |
| MartijnVdS | Chrisu: but you'd have to read your PC (mainboard) manual to be sure | 11:39 |
| Chrisu | umm.. ok well thanks alot... | 11:40 |
| AlanBell | Chrisu: what makes you think your computer can output 5.1? | 11:40 |
| Chrisu | Nothing. lol | 11:41 |
| AlanBell | is there a sticker on it or something? | 11:41 |
| MartijnVdS | Chrisu: if it has HDMI out, you could probably use that, if your system supports it | 11:41 |
| Chrisu | I don't know if it can. | 11:41 |
| AlanBell | ah :) | 11:41 |
| Chrisu | I don't have a HDMI cable lol | 11:41 |
| Chrisu | ok then.. no 5.1 for me xD | 11:41 |
| AlanBell | probably not :( | 11:42 |
| Chrisu | :(.. thanks guys | 11:42 |
| daubers | lo | 11:43 |
| Myrtti | oh shotwell, how I hate thee | 11:45 |
| Myrtti | the damned thing reimported all 200 photos from OggCamp that I had removed from the library view because they were blurry and not up the scratch | 11:46 |
| Myrtti | STUPID ARGHHHHH | 11:47 |
| oimon | i struggle to find anything as good as picasa | 11:49 |
| MartijnVdS | picasa is horrible with raw shots | 11:51 |
| penguin42 | but it's pretty damn good with everything else | 11:51 |
| MartijnVdS | except I shoot in raw 99% of the time | 11:51 |
| shauno | I really like adobe lightroom. please don't hurt me. | 11:52 |
| Myrtti | I don't like Picasa myself because I think that the online storage of Picasa is vastly inferior to Flickr. | 11:53 |
| penguin42 | latest version of digikam seems very difficult to use IMHO | 11:54 |
| oimon | not sure why picasa was never open sourced | 11:54 |
| daubers | oimon: Probably a library thing. Or a patent thing | 11:56 |
| MartijnVdS | or a patent library thing | 12:01 |
| MooDoo | i quite like picassa for backing up my raw images, but not for much else | 12:06 |
| oimon | picasa has enough editing capability to tweak photos without requiring gimp etc. shotwell is lacking in this area | 12:12 |
| MartijnVdS | I only tweak in ufraw anyway | 12:14 |
| oimon | wow, kindle books are more ££ than you would pay 2nd hand | 12:14 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: some kindle books are more expensive than the paper versions | 12:15 |
| oimon | obscene | 12:15 |
| oimon | and dumb | 12:15 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: same problem as mp3s/music rights | 12:15 |
| diplo | Piracy is rampant in ebooks alreadt | 12:15 |
| diplo | already* | 12:15 |
| oimon | however, it's easy to rip a cd, the only book ripping that i can do is to hand it to my 1 yr old child | 12:15 |
| diplo | They have screwed themselve when they had the best idea of how to start | 12:16 |
| diplo | oimon, loads of dedicated piracy sites for ebooks already | 12:16 |
| diplo | I know someone who has 1000+ already | 12:17 |
| oimon | i don't believe in pirating, i just want it to be fair | 12:17 |
| diplo | He also owns a lot of the books he has | 12:17 |
| diplo | He has replaced a lot of them for his ereader | 12:17 |
| diplo | But won't buy ebooks because of the cost of them, still buys paper backs as well | 12:17 |
| daubers | Need some eyeballs… mine are obviously too stressed to see something obvious | 12:17 |
| daubers | can anyone see anything immediately wrong with this? http://pastebin.com/P9z48Zig getting the error "modules/matt_test.c:89:21: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘mt_op_tuple’" | 12:18 |
| oimon | he's still breaking the law, however he justifies it though | 12:18 |
| diplo | He knows that | 12:18 |
| oimon | if piracy is already rife, paperback books should come with a one time link to download a personal copy | 12:18 |
| diplo | Totally agree oimon, like movie people are putting a copy of a digital movie on dvd's / blurays now | 12:19 |
| oimon | i bought a dvd and apparently it also has a 2nd disk for "digital copy", which is some drm nonsense that does't work on any device i own | 12:19 |
| diplo | If people are going to pirate they will, but if they can get copies of stuff in digital as well why not | 12:19 |
| diplo | lol, I've never tried any of mine | 12:20 |
| oimon | so the dvd was a nice iea, but a complete fail | 12:20 |
| diplo | I rip the dvd and re-encode myself | 12:20 |
| oimon | the "digital copy" won't work on my android, touchpad or ubuntu | 12:20 |
| diplo | They just dont get it do they.. or the games companies | 12:21 |
| diplo | DRM etc doesn't stop anyone | 12:21 |
| diplo | Just annoys the people who want to buy stuff | 12:21 |
| diplo | I also never buy movies brand new, always wait a few months and get it a lot cheaper | 12:22 |
| diplo | Or with music, I buy pre release to get cheap offers | 12:22 |
| oimon | on another subject, box.net gave me 50GB free space with the TP :D | 12:22 |
| diplo | Another thing that annoys me, bought Lissie album after seeing her at Hard Rock Calling, downloaded off amazon and noticed it was only 128k :/ | 12:23 |
| diplo | Blimey, nice | 12:23 |
| diplo | A year subscription ? | 12:23 |
| Myrtti | oimon: shotwell is still better than some photobrowsing apps tho | 12:23 |
| oimon | Myrtti: agree, hope it continues to improve | 12:24 |
| oimon | diplo: seems that it's permanent | 12:24 |
| oimon | need confirmation of that thoug | 12:24 |
| Myrtti | I'm on the verge of venting my soul to Flickr developers | 12:24 |
| MartijnVdS | ? | 12:25 |
| oimon | diplo: 50gb for life :D | 12:26 |
| oimon | worth about $200 per year | 12:26 |
| diplo | bloody hell, that's good! | 12:26 |
| MartijnVdS | mind, 50GB won't be much in ~5 years | 12:27 |
| gord | woot, got UI freeze out of the way :) just focusing on unity bugs and performance the rest of the cycle | 12:28 |
| oimon | MartijnVdS: nor will the touchpad, but it's a great way of extending the storage and transferring files to the device | 12:29 |
| shauno | hm, they finally came up with a patch for my dvdr bug; but I no longer have a drive installed. wondering if I can be bothered get the screwdrivers out this weekend 'n see what it does :/ | 12:36 |
| oimon | daubers: saw your blog post. could be useful! e.g. for sending footie/cricket score updates | 12:38 |
| oimon | or sending adapted "fortune" messages | 12:39 |
| daubers | oimon: Oh, yeah :) There's some python api stuff for lib notify that would be a good place to start | 12:58 |
| daubers | oimon: Was going to use it with matt for some stuffs | 12:58 |
| oimon | do kindles read epub format? | 13:01 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: only after conversion | 13:01 |
| DJones | oimon: I don't think so, I've looked into that because most of my books are in epub format, but I'm fairly sure it doesn'r read them | 13:01 |
| oimon | wow, sucks | 13:01 |
| DJones | oimon: You can convert them using calibre though | 13:02 |
| oimon | is epub generally the best format to go for, for future proofing? | 13:02 |
| directhex | pdf! | 13:02 |
| oimon | reading pdf on a tablet is nice but they don't reflow when you zoom | 13:03 |
| popey | txt | 13:03 |
| directhex | jpg | 13:03 |
| popey | tiff | 13:03 |
| oimon | are you guys in the pub? | 13:04 |
| popey | i wish | 13:04 |
| Myrtti | "when helping, be helpful" | 13:04 |
| popey | i would buy directhex a beer if I was. | 13:04 |
| popey | haha | 13:04 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Paul Mellors] Flattr - http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/08/flattr.html | 13:04 |
| directhex | the ePub! | 13:04 |
| popey | ISWYDT | 13:04 |
| oimon | are there other authors like cory doctorow who release their books free and are worth reading? | 13:05 |
| popey | yes, there's this dude who has made quite a few popular books | 13:05 |
| popey | sh | 13:05 |
| popey | shakey | 13:05 |
| popey | something like that | 13:05 |
| oimon | meh | 13:05 |
| popey | William Shakespear! | 13:05 |
| popey | thats it | 13:06 |
| oimon | he's lame | 13:06 |
| Laney | shakin stevens | 13:06 |
| oimon | can't even write english properly | 13:06 |
| oimon | my question refers to contemporary fiction | 13:06 |
| davmor2 | popey: Shakey he sang behind the green door right? | 13:08 |
| popey | You'd know mister 80's | 13:08 |
| daubers | random C question of the day! If I have a pointer to a pointer to a struct, how can I access the members of the struct? so some_struct **x and I want to do x->y | 13:08 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: (*bar)->foo | 13:08 |
| oimon | green door was a cover though | 13:08 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: ta | 13:08 |
| davmor2 | popey: I'm very proud of the fact that I enjoy music you can hear the lyrics of thank you very much :P | 13:09 |
| * popey hands davmor2 an ear trumpet | 13:09 | |
| popey | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkXMEoGDLm4 made me smile | 13:10 |
| davmor2 | get off the grass, these young whipper snappers | 13:10 |
| popey | but then I am nasty like that | 13:10 |
| davmor2 | popey: that's hilarious | 13:10 |
| bigcalm | popey: that vid requires flash | 13:12 |
| bigcalm | I thought you'd given up flash | 13:13 |
| popey | on my own machines, yeah :D | 13:13 |
| oimon | cmrtaco has resigned from slashdot | 13:13 |
| popey | haha | 13:13 |
| oimon | same day as jobs resigned from the legal company | 13:13 |
| oimon | http://meta.slashdot.org/story/11/08/25/1245200/Rob-CmdrTaco-Malda-Resigns-From-Slashdot | 13:13 |
| popey | i never read /. these days | 13:14 |
| popey | haven't for years | 13:14 |
| oimon | when i scan my twitter feed, i discover that the only links i've clicked are /. stories | 13:15 |
| oimon | some guys on #touchpad have been to best buy (in the US) today and got touchpads. maybe more for the UK? | 13:16 |
| BigRedS | yeah, I hardly ever actually visit the /. frontpage itself, but hit most of the links on their twitter feed | 13:19 |
| Hippychick | urgh! looking in my bag and i cant find any usb sticks... all k can find are 3g dongles! | 13:23 |
| * daubers makes moar coffee | 13:25 | |
| * oimon has 4 usb sticks in his pocket | 13:27 | |
| dwatkins | thanks for reminding me, oimon - I need to check out what's on my 8 GB stick. | 13:37 |
| daubers | woot, someones found the patch set that changed vast amounts of the samba vfs stuff and, importantly, the patches didn't changes the docs :( | 13:37 |
| oimon | btw how do i relabel a disk that gets mounted as /media/12394090i3902=1-30=1-230 | 13:38 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: using the disk utility (palimpsest) is easiest | 13:39 |
| oimon | thanks MartijnVdS | 13:40 |
| oimon | that was easy | 13:41 |
| AlanBell | palimpsest has the silliest name of any application | 13:56 |
| AlanBell | considerably sillier than the gimp | 13:56 |
| MartijnVdS | "A palimpsest is a manuscript page from a scroll or book from which the text has been scraped off and which can be used again" | 13:56 |
| MartijnVdS | you could argue hard disks work like that ;) | 13:56 |
| oimon | i call it pal-tab | 13:57 |
| oimon | baobab is another bad name, | 13:57 |
| MartijnVdS | vinagre, vino | 13:57 |
| AlanBell | baobab reminds me of the little prince | 13:58 |
| davmor2 | Mez: I don't think I'm going to be able to make it tonight at least not before everything is over :( A bunch are looking to come from the northampton group though I brought it up there for you too :) I hope it all goes well for you :) | 14:00 |
| kirrus | Special: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiySKuVs2fI | 14:17 |
| * AlanBell stares in astonishment at bug 764905 | 14:30 | |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 764905 in unity "Drag and drop a USB key into the trash should eject the USB key" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764905 | 14:30 |
| Hippychick | oh dear AlanBell | 14:30 |
| gord | AlanBell, user testing is always enlightening :) | 14:31 |
| AlanBell | I think that user failed the test | 14:35 |
| gord | well thats kinda the fun thing, we ain't testing the users, they are testing the design | 14:36 |
| AlanBell | yeah, I get that. Just wish they had time to sober up first. | 14:36 |
| gord | well you say that now, but when your drunk and using your computer in the future, you'll be a genius | 14:38 |
| AlanBell | I am pretty astonished that the applications lens got through user testing | 14:38 |
| gord | people do pretty well with it, everyone knows google so they put what they were after into the search box and there it is | 14:40 |
| BigRedS | Well, and there it might be | 14:40 |
| AlanBell | if you type it then yes | 14:40 |
| BigRedS | Pointedly, google never silently fails... | 14:40 |
| diplo | popey, is this the Microserver you have ? | 14:41 |
| diplo | http://www.ebuyer.com/253305-hp-proliant-athlon-ii-neo-n36l-microserver-100-cashback-633724-421 | 14:41 |
| popey | AlanBell: bug 765905 is quite fun isnt it. | 14:41 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 765905 in writerperfect (Ubuntu Oneiric) "writerperfect version 0.8.0-1 failed to build on i386" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/765905 | 14:41 |
| popey | yes diplo | 14:41 |
| popey | df | 14:41 |
| AlanBell | if I want to see what applications I have got for working with graphics then no | 14:41 |
| popey | not that bug | 14:41 |
| diplo | Cool, new Credit card turned up so ordering now | 14:41 |
| diplo | :) | 14:41 |
| AlanBell | gord: so what I want is a lens that shows me *all* the applications I have, grouped by category | 14:42 |
| BigRedS | AlanBell: like a menu? :) | 14:42 |
| AlanBell | like the gnome menu does | 14:42 |
| popey | heh | 14:42 |
| popey | beat me to it | 14:42 |
| diplo | http://www.ebuyer.com/search?page=1&store=33&cat=392&filterca76=2000 <-- Any recommendations people ? Going to be a NAS predominantly, quiet would be good | 14:42 |
| BigRedS | Menus are soooo last century | 14:42 |
| AlanBell | that is all I want | 14:42 |
| BigRedS | nobody's doing that any more | 14:42 |
| AlanBell | gord: would I be best off waiting for that to happen or writing a new lens to do it? | 14:43 |
| davmor2 | AlanBell: Click on application lens and select the group from the drop down? | 14:43 |
| popey | diplo: how many you buying? | 14:43 |
| diplo | 2 | 14:43 |
| popey | buy two different ones :D | 14:44 |
| AlanBell | davmor2: that kind of works (but not in unity 2d right now) however it shows me for example 4 of the 10 accessories I have installed, plus 4 random apps from the app store that I don't have | 14:44 |
| gord | AlanBell, in O you'll be able to open the applications lens and then filter by category, thats as close as you're going to get in stock unity | 14:44 |
| diplo | At the mo anyhoo, don't want to outspend myself | 14:44 |
| diplo | Comes with a 250gb i think | 14:44 |
| gord | AlanBell, but writing a lens to do precisely what you want is fine too, writing lenses is easy and open source :) | 14:44 |
| davmor2 | AlanBell: hmm true | 14:44 |
| diplo | Did you see the need to upgrade the ram popey ? Or was it sufficient as a nas with 1gb ? | 14:44 |
| AlanBell | gord: ok, I will go down that route, all the code is there in the applications lens but in the wrong order | 14:45 |
| AlanBell | and it is in something called vala | 14:45 |
| Myrtti | popey: are you running Windows or Ubuntu on that little proliant? | 14:46 |
| popey | ETOOMANYQUESTIONS | 14:46 |
| popey | yes, doubled the RAM | 14:46 |
| popey | Ubuntu server on it | 14:46 |
| diplo | Sorry matey :) | 14:46 |
| popey | the hp comes with a 160GB disk | 14:46 |
| popey | well, mine did | 14:46 |
| seeker | popey: Where do babies come from? | 14:46 |
| popey | seeker: storks | 14:46 |
| davmor2 | gord: you're using oneiric right what happens if you select games from the applications refined search I get nothing show up at all | 14:47 |
| seeker | \o/ | 14:47 |
| popey | diplo: i moved the drive that came with it to the optical bay in the top, so I have 4 bays for big disks | 14:47 |
| Myrtti | popey: I suppose the raid is "not to be used" if you've got Ubuntu on it | 14:47 |
| popey | Myrtti: i use md radi | 14:47 |
| popey | *raid | 14:47 |
| diplo | Good thinking | 14:47 |
| gord | davmor2, no idea, i broke my setup earlier :) | 14:47 |
| AlanBell | davmor2: type something, then delete what you typed | 14:47 |
| gord | davmor2, so i get no results from anything | 14:47 |
| davmor2 | AlanBell: No all the other groups show something only games that don't | 14:47 |
| AlanBell | davmor2: oh, me too | 14:48 |
| davmor2 | gord: type m in the main application menu and then delete it when everything shows up | 14:48 |
| gord | davmor2, no no, i broke everything | 14:48 |
| gord | nothing will work | 14:48 |
| davmor2 | gord: vandal was you out with them rioters? | 14:49 |
| gord | davmor2, i riot quietly in my pc | 14:49 |
| gord | on another topic, why does samba hate me? | 14:49 |
| davmor2 | gord: for the same reason it hates everyone else? | 14:50 |
| gord | won't let me modify anything :( | 14:50 |
| BigRedS | rioting quietly? | 14:50 |
| ikonia-remote | would someone be a gent and see if http://www.disc-tools.com/download/daemon downloads correclt (10mb) I seem to get about 600kb and then the download drops | 14:50 |
| BigRedS | that's almost as quaint as getting up the morning after a riot for a tidy up | 14:50 |
| ikonia-remote | not sure if it's the connection/isp I'm using while away or the hosted site | 14:50 |
| popey | fine here ikonia-remote | 14:50 |
| gord | fine also here | 14:51 |
| ikonia-remote | popey: rats, it pulled down the whole 10mb | 14:51 |
| ikonia-remote | it must be my isp causing a problem | 14:51 |
| ikonia-remote | stupid 3rd world internet | 14:51 |
| ikonia-remote | it just let me pll down a 700mb file from a different site, but won't let me pull down this 10mb file | 14:51 |
| popey | http://popey.com/~alan/DTLite4413-0173.exe try that | 14:51 |
| ikonia-remote | that's going better..... | 14:52 |
| ikonia-remote | nope, crapped out at 3.89 meg | 14:52 |
| jpds | Exploit detected. | 14:52 |
| ikonia-remote | ahhh yes, it's listing it as an exploit file | 14:53 |
| ikonia-remote | popey: could you change it to something not.exe ? | 14:53 |
| ikonia-remote | (if your willing to test) | 14:53 |
| popey | .txt now | 14:53 |
| ikonia-remote | ok, let me try that | 14:53 |
| diplo | Anyone got any idea to work out what revo model this is ? | 14:54 |
| diplo | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/161260 | 14:54 |
| ikonia-remote | for the love of god windows.... | 14:54 |
| ikonia-remote | popey: that looks like it will work, but can you chang it to .popey or something as .txt my browser trys to open it as text | 14:55 |
| ikonia-remote | change it to something the browser won't try to associate with an application | 14:55 |
| ikonia-remote | .smeg | 14:55 |
| ikonia-remote | popey: plus, super keep putting the ubuntu favicon on your site | 14:55 |
| * BigRedS just had an I-told-you-so moment about our non-snmp coffee machine | 14:55 | |
| ikonia-remote | "geek" | 14:55 |
| kirrus | Does anyone know of an SNMP enabled coffee filter machine? | 14:55 |
| popey | http://popey.com/~alan/DTLite4413-0173.this.is.for.ikonia.ha.ha.ha.stupid.internet | 14:56 |
| ikonia-remote | popey: bravo | 14:56 |
| ikonia-remote | popey: it would appear the multiple extensions has fooled whatever tool was..... | 14:57 |
| ikonia-remote | nope, it filed at 4 meg | 14:57 |
| ikonia-remote | failed | 14:57 |
| popey | you suck | 14:57 |
| ikonia-remote | this is mental | 14:57 |
| ikonia-remote | popey: this 3rd world insulting random internet sucks | 14:57 |
| ikonia-remote | it likes a 700 mb file - no problem, it doens't like a 10mb file | 14:57 |
| ikonia-remote | popey: appreciate the effort | 14:58 |
| popey | DTLite4413-0173.this.is.for.ikonia.ha.ha.ha.stupid.internet.tgz | 14:58 |
| popey | try that? | 14:58 |
| Azelphur | best filename ever | 14:58 |
| popey | :D | 14:58 |
| ikonia-remote | popey: it's scanning the content | 15:00 |
| popey | "it" being? | 15:00 |
| ikonia-remote | it takes 3.5 - 4mb to work it out then thinks it's an exploit | 15:00 |
| ikonia-remote | popey: I don't know | 15:00 |
| ikonia-remote | whatever is cutting me off | 15:00 |
| ikonia-remote | I'm assuming some sort of proxy thing | 15:00 |
| popey | want me to put it in a passworded zip so it can't? | 15:00 |
| BigRedS | base64 it and save it as a txt file | 15:00 |
| BigRedS | ? | 15:00 |
| AlanBell | ikonia-remote: could it be right? | 15:00 |
| ikonia-remote | popey: please, that's worth a try | 15:00 |
| ikonia-remote | AlanBell: possible, but doubtful | 15:00 |
| gord | daemon tools trips up anti-virus stuff all the time | 15:01 |
| popey | ikonia-remote: http://popey.com/~public_html/ikonia.zip | 15:01 |
| popey | password is your nickname | 15:01 |
| popey | (no, not stupid_head, ikonia) | 15:01 |
| ikonia-remote | ha | 15:01 |
| jpds | Needs more HTTPS. | 15:01 |
| ikonia-remote | 404 on url | 15:01 |
| BigRedS | i think there's supposed to be a popey instead of public_html | 15:02 |
| kirrus | jpds, what is it with you and HTTPS? :P | 15:02 |
| popey | doh | 15:02 |
| ikonia-remote | ha ha, good eyes | 15:02 |
| popey | ikonia-remote: http://popey.com/~alan/ikonia.zip | 15:02 |
| popey | jpds: can't do https, using 443 for ssh :D | 15:03 |
| jpds | popey: So use 22 for HTTPS. | 15:03 |
| Myrtti | genious! | 15:04 |
| ikonia-remote | popey: worked like a charm, thank you | 15:04 |
| popey | np | 15:04 |
| * popey deletes all the malware | 15:04 | |
| ikonia-remote | appreciated | 15:04 |
| ikonia-remote | tough working over here when you need a something and the random internet fails you | 15:05 |
| ikonia-remote | I am so immature it's untrue, I'm working with a French chap and an Israeli chap, they are discussing an excel spread sheet and each time either of them say sheet.....it comes out rather ammusing | 15:07 |
| ikonia-remote | I keep sniggering under my breath,, don't want to offend them but it is ammusing me | 15:07 |
| ikonia-remote | "can you give me the sheet" and comments like that are making me laugh | 15:07 |
| jpds | ikonia-remote: Just don't say the Polish for thank you to the French guy. | 15:08 |
| ikonia-remote | jpds: I do not know polish | 15:08 |
| ikonia-remote | he is safe | 15:08 |
| jpds | Good. | 15:08 |
| === seeker_ is now known as seeker | ||
| AlanBell | so how do I build a lens then? the HACKING file in unity-lens-applications is empty and ./autogen.sh tells me I need gnome-common from gnome SVN. Do I really need that? | 15:12 |
| davmor2 | AlanBell: goto unity.ubuntu.com I'm pretty sure there are some well written docs linked from there but I could be wrong | 15:13 |
| AlanBell | I read a lot of that, it assumes a certain amount of prior knowledge | 15:14 |
| AlanBell | there does not seem to be anything telling you how to build a lens or insert your new lens into a running unity | 15:16 |
| AlanBell | ooh, canonical just sent me an ebook | 15:17 |
| Azelphur | If I'm trying to run 8 CPU Hungry single threaded applications, do I want an i7 with hyperthreading or 2 Q9xxx's? | 15:17 |
| popey | they didnt send me one | 15:17 |
| AlanBell | https://pages.canonical.com/enterprise-desktop-ebook.html | 15:17 |
| popey | they sent me a link where I can find out how to download it | 15:17 |
| AlanBell | oh, it is a PDF | 15:18 |
| * popey gets the pdf url from the source rather than submit stuff | 15:19 | |
| davmor2 | AlanBell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses I don't know if this helps I got it from askubuntu | 15:20 |
| popey | AntiVirus is apparenly included with Ubuntu | 15:20 |
| popey | and backup software | 15:20 |
| popey | is that "tar" ? | 15:20 |
| ikonia-remote | popey: that line really annoys me in the marketing | 15:20 |
| davmor2 | popey: there is already a bug about that | 15:21 |
| AlanBell | isn't windows multi browser choice these days? | 15:21 |
| popey | davmor2: no, there isnt | 15:21 |
| popey | davmor2: this is a marketing PDF | 15:21 |
| Myrtti | popey: curse you and your licorice | 15:21 |
| AlanBell | there is a bug about it claiming to be fully compatible with microsoft office | 15:21 |
| davmor2 | popey: ah sorry not the bug is against the web page that is taken from the pdf I think you're right | 15:22 |
| popey | Myrtti: me and my kids licorice :D | 15:22 |
| * oimon wants liquorice | 15:24 | |
| Myrtti | popey: dsample is a bit annoyed now, he wants candy but all I have to offer is Turkish Peber | 15:25 |
| oimon | since removing fabian the german from my feed, google+ is looking bare again! | 15:26 |
| * popey googles | 15:26 | |
| popey | heh, i removed him long ago oimon :D | 15:26 |
| oimon | i added him for oggcamp. too much opinion and swearing | 15:26 |
| popey | yeah | 15:26 |
| oimon | is that what his podcast is like? | 15:26 |
| bigcalm | Which is why I never got into LO | 15:26 |
| popey | pretty much | 15:26 |
| * oimon munches on a stem ginger cookie ponderously | 15:27 | |
| AlanBell | I listened to an episode, it was very strange | 15:27 |
| popey | i sometimes listen live | 15:27 |
| oimon | if i remove popey from g+ then it will be VERY empty | 15:27 |
| popey | and heckle in irc | 15:27 |
| bigcalm | G+ has become quiet recently | 15:27 |
| bigcalm | I think more people are making use of circles | 15:28 |
| popey | i am not using circles at all | 15:28 |
| oimon | or maybe everyones playing with their touchpad | 15:28 |
| bigcalm | And I'm not in those circles that are getting the content | 15:28 |
| diplo | Well thats the server ordered.., most i have spent on myself in 2-3 years! | 15:28 |
| bigcalm | popey: I've put people into circles just to organise things, but then I post everything as public | 15:28 |
| oimon | i wanted to add linus torvalds but he mixes linux stuff with pcitures of his scuba diving gear | 15:28 |
| popey | me too | 15:29 |
| AlanBell | I thought circles were a great idea, but I post almost everything public | 15:29 |
| Myrtti | I love Google+ | 15:30 |
| Myrtti | it's brilliant with the circles | 15:30 |
| oimon | i had AlanBell but removed him too lol | 15:30 |
| bigcalm | G+ is great for poking fun at friends ;) | 15:31 |
| Myrtti | my paranoia about stalkers is a bit lessened when I use Google+ in comparison to Twitter and the ilk | 15:31 |
| oimon | it needs refining | 15:31 |
| oimon | Myrtti: u have stalkers, or just worried about them? | 15:31 |
| bigcalm | oimon: if you're publicly a lady on IRC, I think it's compulsory | 15:32 |
| oly_ | I like google plus but it needs some kind of events planner built in | 15:32 |
| Myrtti | oimon: I have had a person who told me he was coming to meet me, and after that I was afraid of people of certain group in the local bus for about a month | 15:32 |
| oimon | hmm | 15:32 |
| jpds | oly_: Google Calendar? | 15:32 |
| Myrtti | I've also had death threats from others | 15:33 |
| oimon | there is a certain class of person who feels too attached to people that share information on broadcast networks | 15:33 |
| oly_ | jpds, perhaps but integrated like in facebook you just go create event and add friends | 15:33 |
| oimon | a close friend had a lot of unwatned attention from creepy guys because she was quite open | 15:33 |
| oimon | irl , not online | 15:34 |
| oly_ | very handy feature and about the only thing i use facebook for :) | 15:34 |
| AlanBell | G+ is potentially a bit stalker friendly with the circles | 15:35 |
| Myrtti | oimon: well I am fairly known in Finland in a multiple ways, so I'm an easy target, sadly | 15:35 |
| BigRedS | Whoo! Aqua again! | 15:35 |
| Myrtti | meh, now I've had too much salmiakki | 15:36 |
| kirrus | BigRedS, your liking of this is quite... interesting... | 15:38 |
| bigcalm | Myrtti: give it to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | 15:39 |
| BigRedS | kirrus: it's worth noting that this is B*witched that I'm liking, not Aqua | 15:40 |
| BigRedS | honest | 15:40 |
| oimon | what's worse? b*w i think | 15:40 |
| kirrus | BigRedS, and that makes it better how, exactly? ;) :P | 15:40 |
| bigcalm | I think I'm going to pass out from blowing my nose | 15:41 |
| Myrtti | interesting | 15:41 |
| Myrtti | learn something new every day: "last" | 15:41 |
| seeker | bigcalm: Got a cold too? | 15:42 |
| bigcalm | seeker: it's the oggflu | 15:42 |
| munkyjunky | Heyhey! I'm trying to get Ubuntu 11.04 onto an Acer Aspire One netbook, via USB, and it keeps giving a blank screen after the 'loading linux' screen. Tried the USB on a laptop and it works fine. Anyone got ay guesses as to what may be the issue? | 15:42 |
| bigcalm | Myrtti: what a have you learnt about last? | 15:42 |
| seeker | Ah, I have a cold, but not oggflu | 15:43 |
| oimon | lastlog is also useful | 15:43 |
| oimon | on a machine with many potential users logging in | 15:43 |
| Myrtti | bigcalm: it's a funky command! | 15:44 |
| bigcalm | Myrtti: indeed it is. I tend to do last -20 every time I log onto a remote system | 15:44 |
| Myrtti | I can tell you that doing "last" on my shell account wasn't a good idea, tho :-D | 15:45 |
| Myrtti | "oops" | 15:45 |
| bigcalm | Heh | 15:45 |
| livingdaylight | greetings | 15:49 |
| MartijnVdS | \o livingdaylight | 16:06 |
| livingdaylight | o/ MartijnVdS ! | 16:07 |
| bigcalm | Grrr, the 'net is terribly slow to make connections today | 16:08 |
| * bigcalm shakes fist at VM | 16:08 | |
| MartijnVdS | what? no updates in oneiric today? | 16:12 |
| MartijnVdS | What happen? | 16:12 |
| davmor2 | Freeze for beat 1 next week | 16:12 |
| MartijnVdS | ah | 16:12 |
| davmor2 | beta even | 16:12 |
| MartijnVdS | I'd expect more bugfix uploads then ;) | 16:12 |
| MartijnVdS | Lots of apps still complain about GConf dbus messages not existing | 16:13 |
| MartijnVdS | D-BUS error: Method "Set" with signature "s(ib)" on interface "org.gnome.GConf.Database" doesn't exist | 16:13 |
| MartijnVdS | stuff like that | 16:13 |
| ikonia-remote | MartijnVdS: tht stuff should still exist | 16:15 |
| MartijnVdS | apparently, it doesn't, sometimes | 16:16 |
| ikonia-remote | well it either exists or it doesn't, the connection or how it connects maybe the problem | 16:18 |
| MartijnVdS | ikonia-remote: I'm starting programs from the command line, so I can see what errors they throw | 16:19 |
| MartijnVdS | starting "picard" crashes unity-window-decorator \o/ | 16:19 |
| MartijnVdS | vlc as well, sometimes | 16:19 |
| MartijnVdS | I'm going to reboot, just in case (this feels dirty) | 16:20 |
| MartijnVdS | Argh! Where did "Reboot" go in my menu?> | 16:20 |
| ikonia-remote | MartijnVdS: that's not always going to be a valid test | 16:20 |
| ikonia-remote | not all programs will output to the command line, it depends | 16:21 |
| ikonia-remote | don't take that as gospal | 16:21 |
| MartijnVdS | ikonia-remote: I know | 16:22 |
| MartijnVdS | ikonia-remote: but if it outputs an error, it should either catch that or fix it ;) | 16:23 |
| MartijnVdS | ikonia-remote: it happens just before banshee crashes, too | 16:23 |
| MartijnVdS | also sound-juicer | 16:23 |
| MartijnVdS | WARN 2011-08-25 18:25:54 glib <unknown>:0 Unable to fetch children: Method "Children" with signature "" on interface "org.ayatana.bamf.view" doesn't exist | 16:26 |
| * bigcalm continues to shake his fist at VM | 16:27 | |
| HazRPG | anyone heard about the new IBM "brain" chip? The one that's meant to replicate the human brain... | 16:47 |
| HazRPG | http://venturebeat.com/2011/08/17/ibm-cognitive-computing-chips/ | 16:47 |
| MartijnVdS | HazRPG: itym http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_(Terminator) | 16:49 |
| HazRPG | MartijnVdS: heh, I knew someone would like to that :P | 16:50 |
| HazRPG | link* | 17:10 |
| HazRPG | just realised I typed that wrong, was too busy watching the videos at the bottom of the link I sent | 17:10 |
| ikonia-remote | should the nvidia package create a base xorg.conf with base nvidia settings in it ? | 17:22 |
| MartijnVdS | No idea | 17:23 |
| ikonia-remote | I don't have a machine to test it on, | 17:23 |
| popey | no | 17:24 |
| popey | nvidia-xconfig does that | 17:25 |
| ikonia-remote | ok, I think I'm going to put that into the package then and put it in as an update | 17:25 |
| popey | or jockey | 17:25 |
| ikonia-remote | jockey won't do it will it ? | 17:25 |
| ikonia-remote | I thought only nvidia-xconfig did it | 17:25 |
| popey | i have a feeling it does | 17:25 |
| popey | but maybe not :D | 17:25 |
| ikonia-remote | I'll check that out before rushing in then as I had no idea it could do that | 17:25 |
| Psychobudgie | anyone got any idea why thunderbird won't show an icon on the unity launcher when launched | 17:26 |
| ikonia-remote | there seems to be quite a few bugs with applications that are not the system default | 17:27 |
| Psychobudgie | other than unity being a bug ridden mess | 17:27 |
| ikonia-remote | in terms of displaying on the icon | 17:27 |
| Psychobudgie | which it is | 17:27 |
| Psychobudgie | that'll teach me to be proactive thought I would migrate to thunderbird from evolution in lieu of Ocelot and that happens | 17:28 |
| popey | you can keep evolution in ocelot of course | 17:28 |
| popey | its only the default | 17:28 |
| ikonia-remote | has evolution been dropped as default in 11.10 ? | 17:28 |
| popey | apparently so | 17:28 |
| Psychobudgie | you can, but thunderbird is the new default in ocelot | 17:28 |
| Psychobudgie | the way unity currently handles non-default apps doesn't exactly fill me full of hope for ocelot | 17:29 |
| ikonia-remote | I'm glad Thunderbird has been adopted | 17:29 |
| Psychobudgie | I'm not | 17:29 |
| ikonia-remote | I just wish someone could get Thunderbird and Sunbird to make an Outlook style client, that could deal with meeting requests and calander sync/planning | 17:30 |
| Psychobudgie | it has issues with large quantities of mail | 17:30 |
| ikonia-remote | I know there is the sunbird plugin, but it sucks | 17:30 |
| ikonia-remote | Psychobudgie: define large | 17:30 |
| Psychobudgie | and it has a distinct lack of a calendar | 17:30 |
| Psychobudgie | large as in corporate large | 17:30 |
| ikonia-remote | define large | 17:31 |
| ikonia-remote | I use thunderbird in a corperate enviornment | 17:31 |
| Psychobudgie | as in the application tends to go into meltdown when it gets over 10000 or so messages to archive | 17:31 |
| Psychobudgie | so did I | 17:31 |
| ikonia-remote | the lack of calander is really annoying, and sunbird is really good, so it would be amazing to merge them, or have some sort of interface between them | 17:31 |
| ikonia-remote | 10,000 active messages is quite a lot, archived not massive | 17:31 |
| MartijnVdS | ikonia-remote: like lightning? | 17:31 |
| ikonia-remote | the two standalone applications are great, but they are totally not aware of each other | 17:32 |
| Psychobudgie | I think moving to thunderbird is a mistake personally | 17:32 |
| MartijnVdS | ikonia-remote: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/lightning/ | 17:32 |
| ikonia-remote | I started a small project based on a brainstorm post I made on this idea, but it never got traction | 17:32 |
| MartijnVdS | ikonia-remote: it's sunbird as a tb plugin | 17:32 |
| ikonia-remote | MartijnVdS: I know what it is | 17:32 |
| ikonia-remote | MartijnVdS: it's not great | 17:32 |
| MartijnVdS | ikonia-remote: it works..ish | 17:32 |
| Psychobudgie | I trust there will be a migration tool for people to easily move from evolution to thunderbird </irony> | 17:36 |
| Psychobudgie | darn it, I meant to use the sarcasm module | 17:37 |
| HazRPG | also, wow Steve Jobs is stepping down as CEO | 17:40 |
| popey | heh | 17:40 |
| popey | welcome to 18 hours ago ☺ | 17:40 |
| ikonia-remote | darn connection | 17:41 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | lol - look at the inc VAT vs ex. VAT price ;-) http://www8.hp.com/uk/en/products/tablets/product-detail.html?oid=5107123 | 18:17 |
| matti | ;] | 18:21 |
| Azelphur | TheOpenSourcerer: if only we really did have -400% VAT :D | 18:22 |
| Azelphur | or whatever that VAT calculation is :P | 18:22 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | That is +470% VAT :-( | 18:23 |
| munkyjunky | Having issues installing 11.04 - install says its first 'Loading Linux' line, then stops, leaving blank screen with a cursor flashing. Help, anyone? | 18:23 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | roghly | 18:24 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 18:24 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | http://www.jb.man.ac.uk/news/2011/DiamondPlanet/ - Cool. A planet with slightly more mass than jupiter made of diamond. | 18:28 |
| Azelphur | suddenly the private space race gets more interesting | 18:29 |
| Azelphur | :P | 18:29 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Trouble is it is orbitting a pulsar at stupidly fast speeds... Hard to catch it. | 18:30 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 18:33 |
| penguin42 | that's going to need one hell of a ring to mount it on | 18:36 |
| popey | { | 18:36 |
| MartijnVdS | } | 19:02 |
| popey | :D wondered who would crack | 19:05 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: It messes with my CDO :) | 19:06 |
| ikonia-remote | directhex: I've just been told that Pepsi Raw (called Pepsi Natural) was dropped from Brazil shortly before my arival. Redbull Cola never made it to Brazil | 19:18 |
| directhex | ikonia-remote: it's personal. | 19:18 |
| ikonia-remote | clearly | 19:18 |
| popey | ikonia-remote: you're in brazil? | 19:19 |
| directhex | my local tesco is clearing its stock of red bull cola | 19:19 |
| ikonia-remote | although I did find a nice Pepsi Twist (Pepsi + lime) but it's standard pepsi | 19:19 |
| ikonia-remote | popey: yes, | 19:19 |
| popey | nice, how come? work? | 19:19 |
| ikonia-remote | hence "ikonia-remote" and unidenfitied | 19:19 |
| ikonia-remote | popey: yes, a bit of client smoozing, hence the drama with the file earlier | 19:19 |
| popey | nice | 19:19 |
| popey | having a good time? | 19:19 |
| ikonia-remote | it's ok | 19:19 |
| ikonia-remote | %50/%50 to be honest, I'll get into it more tomorrow and do stuff at the weekend | 19:19 |
| ikonia-remote | I'm sure it will go more to %20/%80 in Rio's favour | 19:20 |
| ikonia-remote | directhex: please pickup as much redbull cola and I'll split %50 with you | 19:22 |
| ikonia-remote | my Tesco cleared it off about 2 days after your announcment | 19:22 |
| ikonia-remote | I had high hopes of bringing Pepsi Raw home with me and sending you random pictures | 19:22 |
| directhex | i've got 4 cans left | 19:24 |
| directhex | it's good with a decent rum | 19:25 |
| ikonia-remote | I've got 2 bottles that I found | 19:26 |
| ikonia-remote | I've just read that Feb 2011 Oz got Pepsi Raw, imported from the UK | 19:26 |
| ikonia-remote | they have my COLA !!!! | 19:26 |
| ikonia-remote | good job I'll be going to Oz for work in October | 19:26 |
| ikonia-remote | I'm bored, | 19:27 |
| directhex | heh | 19:28 |
| directhex | clearly you need more games | 19:28 |
| ikonia-remote | a friend in the UK up;loaded Armada II for me last night, | 19:28 |
| ikonia-remote | so I pulled that down this morning, that will keep me sane tonight, then I'm going to sample Rio properly tomorrow | 19:28 |
| ikonia-remote | I'm limited as to what I can play with this laptop | 19:29 |
| ikonia-remote | it's a good laptop, but still......it's a laptop | 19:29 |
| directhex | steam is great if you're stuck in a hotel with internet access | 19:30 |
| directhex | i find the civilization series is laptop-friendly | 19:30 |
| ikonia-remote | yeah, I should look at putting steam on this, and I do enjoy civilization too | 19:30 |
| ikonia-remote | I've grabbed Age of Empires II from my machine at home as that was still in my home dir, | 19:32 |
| ikonia-remote_ | damn 3rd world internet connetion | 19:34 |
| popey | ikonia-remote: google+ games :D | 19:34 |
| MartijnVdS | I have Civ:Call to Power for LInux | 19:36 |
| MartijnVdS | Working on oneiric with minimal hackage | 19:36 |
| ikonia-remote_ | gaming on Linux is poor..... | 19:36 |
| === ikonia-remote_ is now known as ikonia-remote | ||
| ikonia-remote | I should have packed an emmulator and re-lived some C64 or Amiga fun, that would pass a few hours | 19:38 |
| MartijnVdS | dosbox + abandonware :) | 19:38 |
| DeadEnd | BBC are demanding I pay for TV licence for my mobile phone : | 19:38 |
| ikonia-remote | DeadEnd: really ? | 19:38 |
| ikonia-remote | I turn my back for a few days and the BBC goes mental ? | 19:38 |
| popey | if you watch near-live TV then yeah, you should pay for a license | 19:39 |
| DeadEnd | Yup they putting me under investigation | 19:39 |
| popey | also, its not the BBC that are demanding it | 19:39 |
| popey | its the TV Licensing authority | 19:39 |
| * MartijnVdS turns on his sat receiver and whistles innocently | 19:39 | |
| ikonia-remote | popey: that's not unreasonable, if you use the BBC services, radio/tv/internet, you pay | 19:40 |
| popey | exactly | 19:40 |
| MartijnVdS | I'd pay, but I can't supply an address outside the UK :) | 19:40 |
| DeadEnd | Buut I dont !!! | 19:40 |
| MartijnVdS | so.. thanks everyone for paying ;) | 19:40 |
| ikonia-remote | DeadEnd: you don't use any BBC services at all | 19:40 |
| DeadEnd | That why I am under investigation | 19:40 |
| DeadEnd | nope dont watch the bbc | 19:41 |
| ikonia-remote | do you use the website/radio ? | 19:41 |
| popey | it doesnt apply to just bbc | 19:41 |
| DeadEnd | Nope boring as hell me | 19:41 |
| popey | even if you only watched Channel 4 | 19:41 |
| ikonia-remote | popey: ahh, that's the catch isn't it, there is wording to prevent that sort of agrument | 19:42 |
| ikonia-remote | it's a "multimedia tax" in reality, that gets given to the BBC | 19:42 |
| popey | nope | 19:42 |
| popey | other broadcasters get some | 19:42 |
| popey | not just bbc | 19:42 |
| MartijnVdS | \o/ ##politics-uk? | 19:42 |
| popey | heh | 19:42 |
| ikonia-remote | popey: it's cut up quite poor though | 19:43 |
| ikonia-remote | there was a documentary on this last year | 19:43 |
| ikonia-remote | Channel 4 was used as one of the hard hit cases as I recal | 19:43 |
| ikonia-remote | I don't mind paying it, I think the free to air services in the UK are pretty good and the BBC as an overall service mega | 19:44 |
| ikonia-remote | puts other countries to shame | 19:44 |
| MartijnVdS | BBC is amazing, I'm glad I can receive the free-to-air satellite broadcasts here in the Netherlands :) | 19:44 |
| ikonia-remote | watching TV in Brazil hilights how far ahead we are | 19:45 |
| MartijnVdS | still need to figure out some "PC-as-video_recorder" software, so I can record programs | 19:45 |
| MartijnVdS | (but that doesn't take over all of the system, like myth or vdr) | 19:45 |
| popey | ikonia-remote: why dont you ssh to a remote host and run irssi? | 19:46 |
| ikonia-remote- | watching TV in Brazil makes me realise how ahead we are. It's like watching a slightly out of tune TV, with the contrast up full, and the bass control on the TV broke | 19:48 |
| MartijnVdS | ikonia-remote-: ah, like Italy | 19:49 |
| ikonia-remote- | without pornography though | 19:49 |
| ikonia-remote- | so similar | 19:49 |
| MartijnVdS | ikonia-remote-: ask daubers about BBC engineers some time :) | 19:49 |
| ikonia-remote- | I shall | 19:49 |
| ikonia-remote- | one of my clients is the BBC so I may ask some direct | 19:49 |
| ikonia-remote- | DeadEnd: what media services do you actually use/watch if you don't mind me asking | 19:51 |
| DeadEnd | listen to Podcasts mainly and mostly music | 19:53 |
| ikonia-remote- | do you watch no TV services, even on the computer ? | 19:53 |
| DeadEnd | If I do watch any visual stuff it is on youtube | 19:54 |
| ikonia-remote- | DeadEnd: if that's %100 accurate, you are a rare breed in my eyes, but maybe times are changing | 19:54 |
| Lcawte | Who did the talk on community week or whatever it was called on starting a podcast? | 19:55 |
| DeadEnd | Are the TV people going to come round and look through my phone records | 19:57 |
| DeadEnd | force me to give them my password to my laptop | 19:57 |
| DeadEnd | Then imprison me | 19:57 |
| ali1234 | they will send a guy around | 19:57 |
| ali1234 | and basically if you don't have a TV switched on and watching TV they won't do anything more | 19:58 |
| DeadEnd | I have had them round before, I have a large flat screen TV but I only use it as a monitor, they accepted my argument | 19:58 |
| ali1234 | yes, they do | 19:58 |
| ali1234 | if you are nice to the guy then they pretty much won't do anything | 19:59 |
| ikonia-remote- | they wil start to push more though | 19:59 |
| ali1234 | they are not supposed to send them more than every 5 years or something | 19:59 |
| ikonia-remote- | they can request things like ISP logs | 19:59 |
| ikonia-remote- | DeadEnd: do you live alone ? | 19:59 |
| DeadEnd | Last visit was 3 years ago | 19:59 |
| DeadEnd | I live alone | 19:59 |
| ali1234 | btw the license fee only applies to live streaming, not iplayer or the rest of the website | 19:59 |
| ikonia-remote- | the license does apply to the iplayer | 20:00 |
| DeadEnd | Well there is no way I can get digital TV on mobile phone | 20:00 |
| ali1234 | no, it doesn't | 20:00 |
| ali1234 | it only applies to the "watch live" section, which has a big disclaimer | 20:00 |
| ikonia-remote- | ali1234: where is the info, the last time I checked this the iplayer was incluced, or so I believed | 20:01 |
| popey | ikonia-remote-: nope | 20:01 |
| ikonia-remote- | (I'm having a search now too) | 20:01 |
| ali1234 | "You need to be covered by a licence if you watch TV online at the same time as it's being broadcast on conventional TV in the UK or the Channel Islands. " - from tvlicensing.co.uk | 20:01 |
| popey | ikonia-remote-: only live or near-live requires a license | 20:01 |
| ikonia-remote- | popey: that's super value then | 20:01 |
| ikonia-remote- | popey: I thought it included radio use too | 20:01 |
| popey | you dont need a license for radio | 20:01 |
| DeadEnd | I am looking at my letter from the BBC and it clearly states mobile phone,,,,so how many mobile phone have a digital tuner? | 20:01 |
| popey | DeadEnd: doesnt need one | 20:01 |
| popey | DeadEnd: if you watch live telly on it you need a license | 20:02 |
| popey | which you could watch over the internet | 20:02 |
| ikonia-remote- | popey: that's even more impressive value then | 20:02 |
| ali1234 | yep, same for mobile | 20:02 |
| ali1234 | http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/ | 20:02 |
| DeadEnd | So I can record live TV and watch it later without a licence? | 20:02 |
| ali1234 | no | 20:02 |
| popey | nope | 20:02 |
| DeadEnd | I am not watching it live | 20:02 |
| ali1234 | watching or recording live tv is covered | 20:02 |
| ikonia-remote- | ali1234: excellent, thank you for that link | 20:03 |
| ali1234 | ikonia-remote-: this topic comes up fairly regularly :) | 20:03 |
| ali1234 | along with the "ripping cd to mp3 is illegal" topic | 20:03 |
| ali1234 | btw, what's the deal with that? | 20:03 |
| ikonia-remote- | ali1234: you are well prepared then | 20:04 |
| ali1234 | has the law actually changed, or was it just a promise to change it at some unspecified later date? | 20:04 |
| popey | not yet | 20:05 |
| popey | still illegal to rip your own cd/dvd | 20:05 |
| popey | under review | 20:05 |
| ikonia-remote- | wasn't it on the house of lords agenda before the summer break | 20:06 |
| jpds | ikonia-remote-: summer break... http://tinyurl.com/3bnshc5 | 20:08 |
| ikonia-remote- | .............waiting for it to load in 3rd world hamster driven internet | 20:09 |
| popey | i wouldn't bother | 20:09 |
| brobostigon | question, pisg isnt updating channel activity at all, when run. i have checked the paths, and it is all correct. any other factors that could affect it not picking up on activity properly? | 20:10 |
| ali1234 | what's a pisg? | 20:10 |
| bigcalm | !pisg | 20:10 |
| bigcalm | lubotu3 doesn't know | 20:11 |
| popey | a script to generate irc stats | 20:11 |
| popey | http://ubuntu-uk.org/ircstats/ like that | 20:11 |
| bigcalm | http://pisg.sourceforge.net/ | 20:11 |
| ali1234 | ok. wrong log format? | 20:11 |
| brobostigon | http://taylorworld.me.uk/ircstats.html | 20:11 |
| brobostigon | i have it set to irssi, as i am using irssi, and pointed at irssi's log file. | 20:12 |
| popey | hehe, busy channel! | 20:12 |
| popey | i dont use irssi logs for pisg, i use muh | 20:12 |
| brobostigon | popey: it clearly isnt picking up on things, i said something in there just now, and it isnt showing it. | 20:12 |
| popey | why would it show it right away? | 20:13 |
| popey | surely you have to re-run the bot | 20:13 |
| brobostigon | popey: i have the update, set to run in crontab, and i just updated it manually. | 20:13 |
| brobostigon | 0 */3 * * * root /usr/bin/pisg -co /etc/pisg.cfg | 20:14 |
| ali1234 | i would suggest you look in the source code but if it is written perl that would probably be counter-productive | 20:14 |
| brobostigon | http://pastebin.com/dVMSHxCn | 20:14 |
| popey | I'd run it manually | 20:14 |
| popey | see what output you get | 20:15 |
| brobostigon | popey: i just did, made no difference. | 20:15 |
| brobostigon | one moment. | 20:15 |
| ali1234 | ah | 20:15 |
| ali1234 | check permissions on /var/www/ircstats.html | 20:15 |
| ali1234 | maybe you can create but not update due to some strange umask thing | 20:15 |
| brobostigon | http://pastie.org/2429702 | 20:16 |
| brobostigon | it isnt showing any issues. | 20:16 |
| ali1234 | so did "68 days, 628 lines total" change? | 20:16 |
| j0nr | hi folks... wondering if someone can help.... I have an issue with the clock on my vps | 20:18 |
| j0nr | its running madly fast, like gaining hours every second | 20:18 |
| brobostigon | ali1234: no, i manually updated it again. | 20:18 |
| popey | j0nr: what changed? | 20:19 |
| popey | brobostigon: wc -l /home/ptaylor/irclogs/Freenode/##politics-uk.log | 20:19 |
| popey | j0nr: who hosts the vps? | 20:19 |
| ikonia-remote- | j0nr: what version | 20:19 |
| ikonia-remote- | j0nr: 2.6.18 kernels anre earlier have a big glitch with virtual clocks | 20:20 |
| brobostigon | popey: 1266 /home/ptaylor/irclogs/Freenode/##politics-uk.log | 20:20 |
| j0nr | popey: I had to reboot my vps since then it is not running right (no idea why) | 20:20 |
| ikonia-remote- | j0nr: manually set the date with ntpdate - then setup ntpd to keep it in sync, it may need to run quite frequent depending on your kernel version | 20:21 |
| ikonia-remote- | j0nr: you can't just use ntp if your clock is more than 5 minutes drift, it will need to be manualy syncd | 20:21 |
| j0nr | ikonia-remote-: I have tried installing apt-get -y install linux-image-2.6.24-29-xen linux-headers-2.6.24-29-xen | 20:21 |
| ikonia-remote- | j0nr: you shouldn't need to do that | 20:21 |
| ikonia-remote- | j0nr: set the date from a remote time source with ntpdate, then use that same remote time source to keep it in sync with ntp | 20:22 |
| j0nr | ikonia-remote-: ntpdate will not work for some reason. I guess it is because the clock it adrift. if I set the date/time first with 'date <string>' it changes within seconds to another day...so I dont get a chance to run ntpdate | 20:22 |
| ikonia-remote- | j0nr: what command are you doing and what error are you getting back | 20:22 |
| j0nr | ikonia-remote-: ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com | 20:23 |
| popey | j0nr: who hosts your vps? | 20:23 |
| ikonia-remote- | j0nr: see to popey then give me the error message | 20:23 |
| j0nr | 25 Aug 21:21:16 ntpdate[2178]: no server suitable for synchronization found | 20:23 |
| j0nr | popey: xenvz.co.uk | 20:24 |
| ikonia-remote- | j0nr: that's the issue then | 20:24 |
| brobostigon | any ideas? everything looks right, other than it not seeing all the lines in the log. | 20:24 |
| ikonia-remote- | j0nr: it can't reach ntp.ubuntu.com on the correct port | 20:24 |
| j0nr | ikonia-remote-: what does that mean? I did also install ntpd but I stopped it | 20:24 |
| ikonia-remote- | j0nr: ntp.ubuntu.com doesn't appear to be a valid host | 20:25 |
| j0nr | also I had to echo 1 into /proc/sys/xen/independant_clock to allow me to override the parent machine (I think) | 20:25 |
| j0nr | ikonia-remote-: I also tried pool.ntp.org | 20:26 |
| ikonia-remote- | Joeb454: my remote dns isn't spot on at ht emoment, | 20:26 |
| ikonia-remote- | j0nr: your uk based yes ? | 20:26 |
| j0nr | ikonia-remote-: yes | 20:26 |
| j0nr | I can understand getting the time synced, but why is it racing away at a rate of hours per second? | 20:27 |
| ikonia-remote | j0nr: is your server uk based ? | 20:27 |
| popey | I'd contact the vendor | 20:27 |
| j0nr | popey: their suggeston is to install 'official ubuntu kernel' | 20:28 |
| popey | what kernel are you currently using? | 20:28 |
| j0nr | which I find strange I should have to do | 20:28 |
| popey | 2.6.32-316-ec2 | 20:28 |
| j0nr | especially afterI have been using this setup for years | 20:28 |
| popey | thats what I'm running on my Xen VPS | 20:28 |
| ikonia-remote | j0nr: is the server uk based ? | 20:28 |
| j0nr | popey: 2.6.18-238.19.1.el5xen | 20:28 |
| popey | j0nr: yes | 20:28 |
| popey | thats old old old | 20:29 |
| popey | why are you using that? | 20:29 |
| j0nr | i dont know.. I have done apt-get install later one | 20:29 |
| popey | is it running ubuntu 10.04? | 20:29 |
| j0nr | oh...no 8.04 | 20:29 |
| ikonia-remote | j0nr: is the server uk based ? | 20:29 |
| j0nr | ikonia-remote: ummm.... not sure if the machine is in the UK.... anyway to find out? | 20:29 |
| ikonia-remote | j0nr: don't worry, just run this test "sudo ntpdate 0.uk.poo.ntp.org" | 20:30 |
| ikonia-remote | j0nr: don't worry, just run this test "sudo ntpdate 0.uk.pool.ntp.org" | 20:30 |
| ikonia-remote | (note the missing l) | 20:30 |
| popey | hmm, -ec2 kernel isn't in 8.04 | 20:30 |
| j0nr | root@jcrdevelopments:/home/jonr# ntpdate 0.uk.pool.ntp.org | 20:31 |
| j0nr | 25 Aug 21:28:53 ntpdate[2237]: no server suitable for synchronization found | 20:31 |
| ikonia-remote | pool | 20:31 |
| ikonia-remote | j0nr: ok - nslookup 0.uk.poo.ntp.org | 20:31 |
| ikonia-remote | my "l" key is sticking | 20:31 |
| j0nr | heh heh ok | 20:32 |
| popey | j0nr: ps aux | grep ntp | 20:32 |
| popey | are there any ntp related things running? | 20:33 |
| ikonia-remote | nah, you'd get a different error if there was | 20:33 |
| ikonia-remote | can't bind to socket | 20:33 |
| popey | true | 20:33 |
| ikonia-remote | I bet it can't resolve it | 20:33 |
| popey | but why would it race | 20:33 |
| popey | i can understand the clock being wrong, but not why it races | 20:33 |
| ikonia-remote | pre .18 kernel | 20:33 |
| ikonia-remote | it's a bug | 20:33 |
| popey | well yes | 20:33 |
| ikonia-remote | I was involved in the resolution with Redhat for 5.4 | 20:34 |
| ikonia-remote | doesn't help that his host is probably out of sync too | 20:34 |
| j0nr | but why has it only just made itself a problem? Ive been running 8.04 as long as I've had the VPS no problems | 20:34 |
| popey | I'd certainly look at a newer kernel | 20:34 |
| ikonia-remote | j0nr: lets sort out ntp first - then lets see what happens | 20:34 |
| ikonia-remote | I suspect ntp has been keeping it alive ok, and now ntp isn't working | 20:34 |
| ikonia-remote | or something like that | 20:34 |
| j0nr | Server: 95.154.254.254 | 20:35 |
| j0nr | Address: 95.154.254.254#53 | 20:35 |
| j0nr | Non-authoritative answer: | 20:35 |
| j0nr | Name: 0.uk.pool.ntp.org | 20:35 |
| j0nr | Address: 94.23.152.214 | 20:35 |
| j0nr | Name: 0.uk.pool.ntp.org | 20:35 |
| j0nr | Address: 194.238.48.2 | 20:35 |
| j0nr | Name: 0.uk.pool.ntp.org | 20:35 |
| j0nr | Address: 78.129.239.26 | 20:35 |
| j0nr | root@jcrdevelopments:/home/jonr# nslookup 0.uk.pool.ntp.org | 20:35 |
| j0nr | Server: 95.154.254.254 | 20:35 |
| j0nr | Address: 95.154.254.254#53 | 20:35 |
| j0nr | Non-authoritative answer: | 20:35 |
| j0nr | Name: 0.uk.pool.ntp.org | 20:35 |
| j0nr | Address: 94.23.152.214 | 20:35 |
| j0nr | Name: 0.uk.pool.ntp.org | 20:35 |
| j0nr | Address: 194.238.48.2 | 20:35 |
| j0nr | Name: 0.uk.pool.ntp.org | 20:35 |
| ikonia-remote | ok - great, you can resolve it | 20:35 |
| popey | !paste | 20:35 |
| lubotu3 | Pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | 20:35 |
| ikonia-remote | can you connect to any of those hosts on port 123 | 20:35 |
| j0nr | didnt mean that /o\ | 20:35 |
| ikonia-remote | connect to 0.uk.pool.org on port 123 as a test | 20:36 |
| j0nr | ikonia-remote: how? :/ | 20:36 |
| ikonia-remote | pool.ntp.org | 20:36 |
| ikonia-remote | that wasn't a sticking key, that was my being stupid | 20:36 |
| ikonia-remote | j0nr: telnet 0.uk.pool.ntp.org 123 | 20:36 |
| j0nr | ikonia-remote: unable to connect timeout | 20:38 |
| ikonia-remote | j0nr: ok - so there is the problem | 20:38 |
| popey | firewall problem? | 20:38 |
| ikonia-remote | j0nr: something is blocking you | 20:38 |
| ikonia-remote | host or guest firewall, or a network firewall | 20:38 |
| ikonia-remote | at least it wasn't connection refused, which means they have blacklisted you and is a real headache | 20:38 |
| popey | when pool.ntp started I used to run an ntp server on my vps | 20:39 |
| popey | got silly because most other customers had one too | 20:39 |
| popey | quite pointless running lots of ntp servers on one set of physical boxen | 20:39 |
| j0nr | so is this a question for my provider? | 20:39 |
| popey | j0nr: depends, if you have a firewall configured yourself | 20:39 |
| j0nr | I haven't ever configured one | 20:40 |
| ikonia-remote | j0nr: if you want to test, sudo iptables -F | 20:40 |
| ikonia-remote | j0nr: that will flush all your rules | 20:40 |
| j0nr | I seem to have network issues...related or not I am not sure.... e.g. lag 999 in irssi | 20:40 |
| j0nr | ikonia-remote: iptables not installed | 20:41 |
| ikonia-remote | j0nr: ok, time to contact the provider | 20:41 |
| ikonia-remote | something is blocking port 123 to the public internet | 20:41 |
| ikonia-remote | ask them to fix that | 20:41 |
| popey | j0nr: does ifconfig show dropped or errored packets? | 20:41 |
| j0nr | popey: no | 20:42 |
| ikonia-remote_ | sorry, my connection dumped again | 20:43 |
| ikonia-remote_ | the hamster had to stop for a drink | 20:43 |
| popey | ikonia-remote_: why not use irssi on a server? | 20:43 |
| ikonia-remote_ | popey: because I can't get out on port 22 from this customers site | 20:44 |
| j0nr | OK, I shall ask my provider if there is something blocking traffic on port 123 as I cannot connect to NTP servers.... | 20:44 |
| ikonia-remote_ | or I'd be on my normal box | 20:44 |
| popey | ikonia-remote_: this is why I have ssh on port 443 :D | 20:44 |
| j0nr | popey: snap | 20:44 |
| ikonia-remote_ | popey: I don't think even that would work as I'm hitting a proxy at the moment thats only active for the web browser | 20:44 |
| popey | yeah, i go via a proxy :D | 20:45 |
| popey | putty -> proxy -> sshd on 443 | 20:45 |
| bigcalm_lappy486 | I'm going to murderise VM in a bit | 20:45 |
| ikonia-remote_ | I don't know if putty will work with this web proxy | 20:45 |
| ikonia-remote_ | I may try it when I get home | 20:45 |
| j0nr | thanks popey ikonia-remote for your help :) | 20:45 |
| j0nr | its a pain as I cannot use any commands that send stuff to AWS S3 | 20:46 |
| j0nr | as the incorrect time seems to upset it | 20:46 |
| ikonia-remote_ | j0nr: sort this and we can help you keep your machine in time sync | 20:46 |
| j0nr | seeing as it is a bug in 8.04, do you think upgrading will help? | 20:46 |
| popey | its not a bug in 8.04 | 20:47 |
| popey | you're running 2.6.18 which didn't ship with 8.04 | 20:47 |
| ikonia-remote_ | and 2.6.18 was the killer kernel | 20:47 |
| ikonia-remote_ | post 2.6.18 should be fine | 20:48 |
| popey | hardy (8.04) ships with 2.6.24 or thereabouts | 20:48 |
| ikonia-remote_ | I suspect the xen host is 2.6.18 Redhat pre 5.4 | 20:48 |
| ikonia-remote_ | j0nr: pastebin the output of uname -a for interest | 20:48 |
| popey | just sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic | 20:48 |
| ikonia-remote_ | (if you don't mind) | 20:48 |
| ikonia-remote_ | popey: maynot be able to if the xen host is locked in | 20:48 |
| popey | he can try :D | 20:48 |
| ikonia-remote_ | lets look at the kernel first | 20:49 |
| ikonia-remote_ | if it's a redhat one, the xen host will be running in a mode which is like an earlier version of containers, in which case....game over | 20:49 |
| popey | 2.6.18-238.19.1.el5xen | 20:49 |
| popey | thats his kernel | 20:49 |
| ikonia-remote_ | there we go | 20:49 |
| ikonia-remote_ | Redhat EL pre 5.4 | 20:49 |
| j0nr | popey earlier i did apt-get install linux-image-xen | 20:49 |
| ikonia-remote_ | he won't be able to install anything | 20:50 |
| ikonia-remote_ | that kernel will be locked in | 20:50 |
| popey | ikonia-remote_: but his provider specifically told him to | 20:50 |
| ikonia-remote_ | popey: then his provider don't know how to manage their kit | 20:50 |
| ikonia-remote_ | j0nr: reboot, I bet it doesn't change the kernel | 20:50 |
| popey | either way its their issue | 20:50 |
| j0nr | my provider has been suggesting I install 'official ubuntu kernels' | 20:50 |
| ikonia-remote_ | j0nr: who runs this VPS ? | 20:50 |
| ikonia-remote_ | j0nr: as in the host not the guest | 20:50 |
| j0nr | rebooted several times, and yes, uname -a: | 20:50 |
| ikonia-remote_ | yup, it's running as a container, you aren't changing that kerenl | 20:50 |
| ikonia-remote_ | kernel | 20:50 |
| j0nr | Linux jcrdevelopments.com 2.6.18-238.19.1.el5xen #1 SMP Fri Jul 15 08:16:59 EDT 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 20:51 |
| ikonia-remote_ | j0nr: who runs the host ? | 20:51 |
| popey | ikonia-remote_: http://xenvz.co.uk/ | 20:52 |
| ikonia-remote_ | thank you, I must have missed part of this in my drops, you seemed clued in | 20:52 |
| popey | wow, cpanel 15 quid a month! | 20:52 |
| popey | they must be raking it in | 20:52 |
| j0nr | I don't use cpanel | 20:53 |
| ikonia-remote_ | j0nr: contact your hosting provider and tell them a.) update their host to a Redhat or Centos 5.4 or later version, this will help b.) unblock port 123 on their host network to allow you to sync with ntp servers | 20:53 |
| ikonia-remote_ | I wonder if zenvz.co.uk is eagles UK company, as it looks as sloppy administrated as he'd do | 20:54 |
| ikonia-remote_ | xenvz | 20:54 |
| popey | "XenVZ is a subsidiary of OpenITC, founded by David Man and Sean McRobbie in 2007" | 20:54 |
| j0nr | I have to say, before this hiccup, I have had great service from them. | 20:54 |
| ikonia-remote_ | j0nr: that's the way you'll get this fixed | 20:54 |
| ikonia-remote_ | popey: I must remember to look out for their names......and not work with them | 20:54 |
| popey | haha | 20:54 |
| popey | grumpy grue :D | 20:54 |
| ikonia-remote_ | well, if they are running containers and their support is telling the paying customer to update kernel......they need shooting | 20:55 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Wow, my upload bandwidth is greater than my download | 20:55 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Good on you VM | 20:55 |
| ikonia-remote_ | if they are running pre 5.4 kernels on a virtual host......they want shooting | 20:55 |
| ikonia-remote_ | either way, shooting needs to happen | 20:55 |
| popey | Measurement Period: 1days 6h:15m:22s | 20:55 |
| popey | Data Downloaded: 9GB 416MB | 20:55 |
| popey | Data Uploaded: 1GB 379MB | 20:55 |
| popey | :D | 20:55 |
| ikonia-remote_ | popey: I think I'm on 11kb up and 14kb down at the moment here | 20:56 |
| j0nr | ikonia-remote_: I feel not in a clever enough position to tell them how to run their server :/ | 20:56 |
| ikonia-remote_ | j0nr: those two things need to happen, | 20:56 |
| ikonia-remote_ | j0nr: the opening of port 123 MUST happen, the kernel update should happen | 20:56 |
| popey | oooooooooo | 21:03 |
| popey | superhub has a "block sites" option | 21:03 |
| popey | might block facebook for a laugh :D | 21:03 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Yus | 21:03 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Hehe | 21:03 |
| popey | wife would go potty | 21:03 |
| ikonia-remote_ | what is superhub | 21:03 |
| popey | virgin cable modem | 21:03 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I've offered to block Facebook and Twitter for Hayley | 21:03 |
| bigcalm_lappy | She said no | 21:03 |
| ikonia-remote_ | superhub sounds cool | 21:03 |
| ikonia-remote_ | what a great name | 21:03 |
| popey | heh | 21:03 |
| bigcalm_lappy | The SuberHub is anything but | 21:03 |
| ikonia-remote_ | I'm on the superhub | 21:03 |
| popey | its a rebranded netgear with a cable modem stuck on | 21:04 |
| ikonia-remote_ | but it sounds great | 21:04 |
| ikonia-remote_ | I'll interface with the superhub right now..... | 21:04 |
| popey | :D | 21:04 |
| ikonia-remote_ | the superhub is negotiating protocols for me | 21:04 |
| popey | i dont have too many issues with it | 21:04 |
| popey | needs a reboot now and then | 21:04 |
| ikonia-remote_ | what doesn't | 21:05 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I on the other hand | 21:05 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Lots of problems and on my 2nd superhub | 21:05 |
| j0nr | popey: ikonia-remote_ thanks again. Have emailled them the info | 21:06 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Could partly be due to the state of the old cable network in my area | 21:06 |
| popey | j0nr: good luck | 21:06 |
| j0nr | popey cheers | 21:06 |
| ikonia-remote_ | popey: beat me to it "ditto" | 21:06 |
| j0nr | ta | 21:06 |
| ikonia-remote_ | in a Patrick Swayze style | 21:06 |
| popey | hahah | 21:06 |
| * bigcalm_lappy shudders | 21:07 | |
| bigcalm_lappy | I saw Donny Darko before I saw PS in any other film | 21:07 |
| bigcalm_lappy | So I will always see him as a pedofile :( | 21:07 |
| ikonia-remote_ | he wasn't exactly on clean ground in Dirty Dancing with "baby" | 21:08 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Which is a shame | 21:08 |
| ikonia-remote_ | 40 year old man with a 16 year old girl | 21:08 |
| ikonia-remote_ | safe ground in ghost and point break | 21:08 |
| bigcalm_lappy | !ping | 21:12 |
| lubotu3 | another contentless ping... sigh... | 21:12 |
| ikonia-remote_ | I wonder what terrible quality film with subtitles awaits me tonight | 21:12 |
| ikonia-remote_ | so far I've had "the terminal" "white chicks" "some cop thing I missed the start of" | 21:12 |
| * popey is rewatching doctor who ready for the weekend | 21:12 | |
| ikonia-remote_ | with about 1000 adverts in each | 21:13 |
| bigcalm_lappy | This weekend eh? | 21:13 |
| popey | ya | 21:13 |
| popey | saturday | 21:13 |
| ikonia-remote_ | rats | 21:13 |
| popey | ikonia-remote_: how long you away for? | 21:13 |
| bigcalm_lappy | And when is Sherlock? | 21:13 |
| popey | dunno | 21:13 |
| ikonia-remote_ | back on the 5th | 21:13 |
| bigcalm_lappy | How about Dirk Gently? | 21:13 |
| ikonia-remote_ | maybe the 2nd if I get bored too quickly | 21:13 |
| ikonia-remote_ | popey: can you resend that please, I closed the window by accident | 21:14 |
| zleap | hi | 21:20 |
| popey | lo | 21:20 |
| zleap | when i right click on a iso file to write to cd is there a way to set the burn speed to a default, i keep having to changer it from max speed to 16x it would be useful if it could remember or be set | 21:21 |
| popey | pass | 21:21 |
| zleap | ok | 21:21 |
| zleap | would this make a useful feature though | 21:21 |
| ikonia-remote_ | pretty obsolete these days | 21:23 |
| ikonia-remote_ | rare you can't burn something at full speed | 21:23 |
| zleap | what is | 21:23 |
| bigcalm_lappy | The media inserted may have different write speeds from other media. So defaulting to the max speed makes sense | 21:23 |
| zleap | i have had issues burning at max speed | 21:24 |
| zleap | ok a way for the user to overwrite the max speed default then | 21:24 |
| zleap | for their specific computer or set up | 21:24 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Not sure that there is one | 21:25 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I don't even know which package holds the burning code. Might be naulitus for all I know | 21:25 |
| ikonia-remote_ | you can certainly do it from the actual tools, eg: cdrecord | 21:25 |
| zleap | ok | 21:25 |
| ikonia-remote_ | however from the right click menu, no chance, and is it really a good thing to add, not really in my view, I think it's obsolete | 21:26 |
| zleap | it my end up being on of those rarely used featured | 21:26 |
| zleap | ok thanks | 21:26 |
| zleap | my = may | 21:26 |
| zleap | maybe my dvd burner is just older, | 21:27 |
| ikonia-remote_ | maybe on the way out | 21:27 |
| zleap | i am looking at a new system from ebuyer anyway which doesn't even have a cd or dvd drive | 21:28 |
| ikonia-remote_ | I'm surprised how many I go through | 21:28 |
| zleap | one of those e-machine things, thin with usb ports etc | 21:28 |
| zleap | so i can add a new external one if need be | 21:28 |
| === bigcalm_lappy is now known as bigcalm | ||
| * zleap is downloading sme server | 21:29 | |
| ikonia-remote_ | those external ones don't always work well for installs, be warned | 21:29 |
| ikonia-remote_ | linux installs I should say | 21:29 |
| zleap | i can use a usb stick for the install | 21:30 |
| zleap | as i need both currnet pc with data on it, then use that to create install media, then from that install on new pc | 21:30 |
| ikonia-remote_ | just realised it's 10:30 in the UK, no wonder it's quiet | 21:36 |
| zleap | lol, | 21:36 |
| zleap | well i am uk based | 21:36 |
| zleap | hi | 21:55 |
| bigcalm | popey: can you give me a snap shot of mtr mail.google.com ? | 22:15 |
| bigcalm | I'm getting major packet loss all along the route | 22:15 |
| popey | http://paste.ubuntu.com/674860/ | 22:15 |
| ikonia-remote_ | popey: please tell me wopr is yours | 22:16 |
| popey | yes | 22:16 |
| popey | the desktop | 22:16 |
| popey | my computers are all named after computers from science fiction | 22:16 |
| ikonia-remote_ | you have wopr obviously, what else | 22:17 |
| popey | wopr, bishop (alien), hactar (hhgttg), ash (alien) | 22:17 |
| popey | i have been slack actually, recently naming things "ubuntuserver" ☹ | 22:17 |
| ikonia-remote_ | poor show | 22:18 |
| ikonia-remote_ | I have hal and lcars | 22:18 |
| ikonia-remote_ | no gibson ? | 22:18 |
| ikonia-remote_ | a man like you must have a gibson | 22:19 |
| stgraber | I usually go with StarGate planets, they have a pretty huge list of them and even planned for DHCP allocation P3X-<last-byte-of-ip> P4X-<last-byte-of-ip> :) | 22:19 |
| ikonia-remote_ | stargate......please | 22:20 |
| mgdm | popey: I don't remember Hactar. I clearly need to re-read | 22:20 |
| ikonia-remote_ | I need to check out hactar too | 22:20 |
| bigcalm | http://paste.ubuntu.com/674864/ | 22:20 |
| bigcalm | I have boring names | 22:21 |
| mgdm | Mine are mostly Firefly-related | 22:21 |
| mgdm | though I've taken to Jovian moons for some reason | 22:21 |
| stgraber | hactar is in the third book of the hhgttg, re-read it last week :) | 22:21 |
| ikonia-remote_ | I want to meet the person using Harry Potter names | 22:23 |
| ikonia-remote_ | I need to know who I should put on /ignore | 22:23 |
| diplo- | evening all | 22:26 |
| popey | hehe stgraber :D | 22:26 |
| Kirrus | ikonia-remote_, some of our internal servers are HP quiditch themed. We have a snitch and a bludger. Our next backup server will be called Quafflebak.. | 22:26 |
| Kirrus | (snitch, monitoring) | 22:27 |
| ikonia-remote_ | Kirrus: as long as you are publicly shamed, that's fine | 22:27 |
| Kirrus | :P | 22:27 |
| ikonia-remote_ | call one "ron" and make it a background server that offers no real use | 22:27 |
| === ikonia-remote_ is now known as ikonia-remote | ||
| Kirrus | None of them were my choice.. well, except quafflebak, but that's fun anyway cos of the beer-usage | 22:27 |
| ikonia-remote | almost time for the taxi ride of doom | 22:28 |
| diplo- | How can i find out what speed a usb device connected is from CLI ? | 22:37 |
| penguin42 | lsusb -v | 22:38 |
| diplo- | aha, had tried lsusb | 22:38 |
| diplo- | thanks | 22:38 |
| diplo- | bcdUSB ? | 22:39 |
| diplo- | Seems so | 22:40 |
| * penguin42 hits dist-upgrade on his mail server vm and hopes for the best | 22:41 | |
| diplo- | heh | 22:43 |
| penguin42 | hmm hth am I supposed to know which CA certs to trust.... | 22:44 |
| freakyclown | gah nanode question - how do i send a single packet with specific data to a specific port/ip | 22:56 |
| popey | freakyclown: try #nanode? | 22:56 |
| popey | ken is in there | 22:56 |
| popey | monsonite | 22:57 |
| ali1234 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/674892/ i just found this in the symbian source code. lol | 22:57 |
| ali1234 | they test their email database with emails released during enron litigation | 22:58 |
| ikonia-remote | I like that | 22:59 |
| ikonia-remote | I did research on Enron's failure as it interested me, so this ammuses me | 22:59 |
| ali1234 | presumably the whole archive is publicly available. nothing beats testing with real data. | 23:00 |
| ikonia-remote | nothing beats enron....... | 23:00 |
| ikonia-remote | night guys | 23:02 |
| penguin42 | hmm promising - it can deliver mail to me | 23:10 |
| penguin42 | youch, I really should clear that out: drwxr-sr-x 2 dg staff 11608064 Aug 25 23:39 texts | 23:13 |
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