[00:21] <ali1234> find the datasheet for the chip
[00:21] <ali1234> that will reveal all
[06:59] <daubers> lo
[06:59] <diplo> Morning
[07:10]  * daubers puts the kettle on branches some code and makes some cocoa pops
[07:22] <diplo> makes cocoa pops? You have zeee recipe?!?!
[07:22] <diplo> :P
[07:28] <daubers> diplo: Easiest recipe of all. 1. Open box, 2. Pour in bowl, 3. add milk, 4. Nom nom nom nom nom nom
[07:28] <diplo> :o
[07:29] <diplo> Really don't know how people have chocolate cereals, especially early morning
[07:29] <diplo> My kids love them
[07:31] <popey> mine too
[07:32] <popey> they prefer chocolate croissants
[07:35] <diplo> yeah really anything with a hint of chocolate goes down well
[07:35] <diplo> :(
[07:35] <diplo> Bad dad!
[07:37] <daubers> \o/ Cocoa pops are a treat for me these days
[07:37] <daubers> Normally eat either toast or weetabix type stuffs
[07:39]  * daubers ponders where that pesky struct definition is hiding
[07:39] <midmandle> lo all
[07:40] <diplo> morning midmandle
[07:50] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:52] <popey> hahah http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/25/alleged-hp-touchpad-running-android-appears-can-be-yours-on-eba/
[08:09] <diplo> heh just saw that myself popey
[08:09] <diplo> Be good if it is legit, save a lot of dev time
[08:09] <popey> i like the claims that its fake
[08:10] <diplo> yeah.. quite understandable if qualcomm were testing it under android, especially if they heard from HP that it may be dropped
[08:10] <JamesTait> Good morning, everyone!
[08:10] <popey> pondering taking my usb dongle and wifi access point on holiday :D
[08:19] <oimon> i'd do it
[08:19] <dwatkins> I'd just take the dongle and a netbook, start a network from there.
[08:20] <oimon> tethering is allowed on my t-mob contract so i do that instead
[08:21] <popey> dwatkins: i have already put openwrt on a router, so its all ready to go :D
[08:21] <popey> just plug it in
[08:22] <dwatkins> popey: nice :) I'm considering getting a Linksys for Tomato fun
[08:22] <dwatkins> How does it connect to the dongle, popey?
[08:23] <popey> usb port
[08:23] <dwatkins> oh nice, which model of router?
[08:23] <popey> netgear wndr3700
[08:24] <dwatkins> cheers, will have a look into that
[08:39] <popey> yay Laney
[08:40] <bigcalm> Hello peeps
[08:41] <MooDoo> hullo
[08:47] <Laney> ????????
[08:47] <popey> DMB mail
[08:48] <Laney> oh yar darling
[08:48] <matti> :)
[08:57] <bigcalm> It's weird that it feels like Monday because I had yesterday off sick. 2 Mondays in one week, woe is me
[08:58] <kirrus> Could be worse.. you could have had tuesday and thursday off, and so had a week of mondays..
[08:59] <diplo> Anyone use dvgrab in here ?
[08:59] <diplo> Very new to video
[09:00] <AlanBell> diplo: yes
[09:01] <diplo> Any tips, I have got an old Sharp Tape camcorder from my dad, he has never copied captures from tapes
[09:01] <diplo> Want to create him a dvd
[09:01] <diplo> So using dvgrab to take footage off
[09:01] <diplo> Seems to split into 1GB files when I save in dv
[09:02] <diplo> Just googling for some examples atm, but thought I'd ask to see what people in here use
[09:02] <AlanBell> yes, it does that
[09:03] <AlanBell> you can load them into openshot or another editor and then export the whole thing as something else
[09:03] <diplo> Cool, just installed openshot, will give it another try now
[09:04] <oimon> one of the kde apps is good for dv capture.
[09:04] <oimon> kino or kdenlive , can't remember which
[09:05] <diplo> yeah kino i keep seeing
[09:05] <oimon> but i didn't use it for editing. openshot or pitivi ..kino kept crashing
[09:07] <diplo> dvgrab seems to be working fairly well, going to experiment
[09:07] <diplo> Trying autosplit now so it's ready to be used directly in openshot without me cutting it
[09:07] <diplo> All new to me
[09:07] <diplo> :)
[09:08] <diplo> AlanBell, --size 0 stops the default 1gb limit fyi
[09:10] <AlanBell> nice
[09:11] <diplo> Seems my fathers camera skills aren't that great :D
[09:12] <daubers> wGAHHHHHHH
[09:13] <daubers> Commenting a structure with just it's own name IS NOT HELPFUL
[09:13] <oimon> although ginormous files loaded into the app might increase tendency to crash :P
[09:14] <diplo> Seems most files are 200mb each with autosplit set
[09:29] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Oh, my sister tried to use her MP3 player again today... after I'd created that file yesterday... and still no joy...
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you might need to run something on those files to generate the udev rules
[09:29] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: ah
[09:29] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: *shrug*
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: check out the source of the music-player-info package (media-player-info?) and see what it does on build
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: also, file that bug :)
[09:32] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I shall :)
[09:42] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:43] <popey> Yes, it is!
[09:43] <brobostigon> yes.
[09:43] <oimon> rather wet here
[09:43] <brobostigon> dry here.
[09:44] <popey> Indoors here.
[09:44] <brobostigon> same.
[09:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just ordered a little RGB LED kit so I can do this: http://blog.thiseldo.co.uk/?p=574
[09:45] <oimon> the view from my window is so grey today it reminds me of when i visited communist russia
[09:45] <popey> :D
[09:48] <gord> sunnyhere! :P
[09:48]  * Hippychick steals gord's sun
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> We only get rain here :(
[09:49] <MooDoo> blimey i've just noticed, it's quite sunny here too :S
[09:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> drizzle here - but clearing by the looks of it.
[09:49]  * bigcalm enjoys the sun while he can
[09:49]  * Hippychick steals MooDoo's sun too
[09:50] <bigcalm> It's taking the edge off the oggflu
[09:50] <Hippychick> i want sun!! its tipping it down here :(
[09:50] <oimon> oggcamp..where the only viruses you get are human ones...
[09:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: "oggflu"?
[09:51] <oimon> i wonder how many touchpads we would have seen if oggcamp was next weekend :D
[09:52] <gord> *NO STEALING THE SUN*
[09:52]  * MartijnVdS steals gord's thunder instead
[09:52]  * brobostigon steals someones mental stability.
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: What would you want with THAT?! )
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> :)
[09:53] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: enhancing my own. :)
[09:54] <daubers> urgh
[09:54] <daubers> I _hate_ samba
[09:54] <BigRedS> daubers: I maintain that it's mostly there to piss people off
[09:57] <popey> A parcel has arrived at work for me
[09:57] <popey> i am not there
[09:58] <popey> I said co-workers could open it. this may not have been wise
[09:58] <rowinggolfer> popey, is it an invite for you to take over from Steve jobs.
[09:58] <brobostigon> a new toy?
[09:58] <popey> It must be
[09:58] <oimon> is it a graze box?
[09:58] <daubers> BigRedS: I'm trying to understand how to build a VFS module, can't get the blasted things to poxy build :(
[09:58] <davmor2> morning all
[09:58] <davmor2> popey: more of a demand I think :)
[09:58] <diplo> gord, I failed last night on my plugin :(
[09:58] <daubers> Even their "example" doesn't build
[09:59] <diplo> But found some good documentation for debugging today
[09:59] <davmor2> oimon: how's your tablet now?
[09:59] <diplo> So v2 tonight
[09:59] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: oggflu is the bug that a few people picked up from oggcamp
[09:59] <oimon> davmor2: getting on OK.. played with it last night as i watched the footy
[09:59] <diplo> Got to say xbmc wiki is very good, lots of good info
[09:59] <oimon> very nice for reading books, pdf, and web browsing
[10:00] <diplo> bigcalm, I used to go to Multiplay I Series events, we all used to get I Flu or some other variant whilst we were there
[10:00] <oimon> i'm missing certain android apps, especially dedicated email
[10:00] <davmor2> oimon: are you liking it a bit more now more to the point :)
[10:00] <diplo> I found a fix
[10:00] <diplo> Eat healthy whilst away and you don't suffer
[10:00] <oimon> davmor2: yes :)
[10:00] <oimon> the facebook app is amazing, have you seen the newspaper layout mode?
[10:01] <popey> its a book
[10:02] <popey> co-worker took a picture of it, I suspect he used word lens
[10:02] <bigcalm> Spanish? :D
[10:02] <popey> the title is "ODIDRA SCITOBOR"
[10:02] <popey> no the free version
[10:02] <bigcalm> Didn't know there was a free version
[10:04] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Arduino-Robotics-John-David-Warren/dp/1430231831/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314266658&sr=8-1
[10:04] <popey> i didnt order that
[10:04] <popey> dunno why I have a copy on my des
[10:04] <popey> +k
[10:04] <oimon> check out the optional newspaper view of facebook http://ubuntuone.com/p/1Ck1/
[10:05] <popey> thats quite cute
[10:05]  * popey notes there is no facebook app for ipad
[10:05] <oimon> orly?
[10:05] <popey> YA RLY
[10:06] <oimon> there's no g+ app or other google apps for TP /webos
[10:06] <oimon> but the web browser works and the OS multitasks well so it's ok
[10:07] <oimon> flash support is great
[10:10]  * oimon thinks popey has a secret admirer
[10:12] <dogmatic69> going through the TV setup menu the other day and noticed it was running linux :D
[10:13] <dogmatic69> -> http://www.am-linux.jp/
[10:15] <AlanBell> sky boxes run Linux too
[10:15] <brobostigon> :)
[10:15] <brobostigon> yes.
[10:15] <AlanBell> they did an over the air upgrade from BSD to Linux
[10:15] <diplo> Busybox isn't it ?
[10:15]  * daubers breaks down
[10:16] <AlanBell> I would *not* like to be the person pressing the release button on that one
[10:16] <daubers> So, I think no-one in the entire world knows how to make samba VFS modules anymore
[10:17] <AlanBell> daubers: #samba-technical
[10:18] <popey> oimon: thing is that it came to my work address
[10:18] <oimon> they didn't want your wife to know :)
[10:18] <oimon> robot love
[10:18] <popey> :D
[10:18] <popey> well, more, how did they know my work address
[10:19] <daubers> AlanBell: The place questions go unanswered even if you ask 2 or three times a week
[10:19] <AlanBell> oh :(
[10:19] <daubers> AlanBell: #samba just point me there too
[10:20] <daubers> I also have a feeling that debian/ubuntu are packaging up the wrong examples for the current samba release
[10:28] <diplo> bigcalm, you are the one with the superhub aren't you ?
[10:29] <popey> o/ and me
[10:29] <bigcalm> diplo: I am one of the unfortunate, yes
[10:29] <popey> haha
[10:29] <diplo> VM Preps firmware update for Glitchy superhub post on the register
[10:29] <bigcalm> Ooooo
[10:29] <popey> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/25/virgin_media_superhub_update/
[10:29] <diplo> Sorry didn't link, looking on my other machine
[10:30] <diplo> There is a beta community.. maybe worth joining :)
[10:31] <popey> I'd rather not :D
[10:34] <bigcalm> Aye
[10:34] <bigcalm> Things improved when the hub was replaced
[10:35] <oimon> interesting post on gnome planet about echo cancellation in pulse audio http://arunraghavan.net/2011/08/hello-hello-hello/
[10:36] <daubers> GAHHHH
[10:41] <daubers> Finally found some useful docs, but the examples don't match up to what the docs are saying and bits of the docs talk about things that no longer exist
[10:51] <directhex> AlanBell, i thought sky boxes ran vxworks
[10:55] <AlanBell> some might, my sky+HD box is running Linux
[10:56] <oimon> do they distribute source?
[10:56] <directhex> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40369
[10:56] <directhex> oimon,  http://www1.sky.com/opensourcesoftware/SkyHD/opensourcesoftwaredownloads.html
[11:02] <daubers> Does anyone know anyone on the samba project who actually gives a damn?
[11:09] <AlanBell> they did a release 2 days ago so it is an active project
[11:09] <AlanBell> http://samba.org/samba/history/samba-3.4.15.html
[11:12] <dwatkins> Setting up samba was always a bit of a nightmare for me as there are so many possibilities.
[11:13] <dwatkins> All I wanted was LDAP integration, but it wasn't easy.
[11:13] <dwatkins> When I finally got it to work, NMB would end up randomly using 100% of cpu after a few days.
[11:14] <directhex> well, emulating windows software is a recipe for fail
[11:15] <directhex> (NOTE: THIS IS A JOKE)
[11:15] <dwatkins> directhex: I appreciate your comment, yes
[11:18] <bigcalm> !ping
[11:18] <bigcalm> I </3 VM
[11:18] <MartijnVdS> !ping boo
[11:19] <oimon> ldap integration and samba works fine for me, we have it on multiple servers
[11:32] <Chrisu> hi... Can anybody help me on 11.04 with the 5.1 surround? I can't make it work..:(
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> Chrisu: how is your 5.1 system connected?
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> Chrisu: HDMI, S/PDIF (digital), or several analog cables?
[11:34] <Myrtti> Chrisu: crossposting on several channels is a bit boring
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: Not everyone is on multiple channels though
[11:34] <Chrisu> its a cable with 2 jacks black and yellow at one end (goes in the system) and at the other end is Jack like a headphone (goes in the PC)
[11:35] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: no, but if you're given an advice X on channel Y and advice N on channel M, it gets difficult to follow and you might get contradicting advice
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: true
[11:35] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: also, many people ARE on multiple channels
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> Chrisu: sounds like you only have a single (stereo) analog cable then
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> Chrisu: you won't get 5.1 out of that.
[11:36] <Chrisu> It's ok guys... I just posted on multiple channels hoping that sombody wich is not on all channels that knows will help me.
[11:36] <Chrisu> MartijnVdS: Oh... then what cable do I need? :-s
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> Chrisu: several of those cables (one per 2 channels), or if your machine supports it: an optical cable or a coaxial ("s/pdif") cable
[11:38] <Chrisu> well.. i only got slots for microphone jack, out and in.
[11:38] <Chrisu> in my PC
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> Chrisu: sometimes those switch to extra output ports if you select "analog surround" in the sound preferences screen
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> Chrisu: but you'd have to read your PC (mainboard) manual to be sure
[11:40] <Chrisu> umm.. ok well thanks alot...
[11:40] <AlanBell> Chrisu: what makes you think your computer can output 5.1?
[11:41] <Chrisu> Nothing. lol
[11:41] <AlanBell> is there a sticker on it or something?
[11:41] <MartijnVdS> Chrisu: if it has HDMI out, you could probably use that, if your system supports it
[11:41] <Chrisu> I don't know if it can.
[11:41] <AlanBell> ah :)
[11:41] <Chrisu> I don't have a HDMI cable lol
[11:41] <Chrisu> ok then.. no 5.1 for me xD
[11:42] <AlanBell> probably not :(
[11:42] <Chrisu> :(.. thanks guys
[11:43] <daubers> lo
[11:45] <Myrtti> oh shotwell, how I hate thee
[11:46] <Myrtti> the damned thing reimported all 200 photos from OggCamp that I had removed from the library view because they were blurry and not up the scratch
[11:47] <Myrtti> STUPID ARGHHHHH
[11:49] <oimon> i struggle to find anything as good as picasa
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> picasa is horrible with raw shots
[11:51] <penguin42> but it's pretty damn good with everything else
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> except I shoot in raw 99% of the time
[11:52] <shauno> I really like adobe lightroom.  please don't hurt me.
[11:53] <Myrtti> I don't like Picasa myself because I think that the online storage of Picasa is vastly inferior to Flickr.
[11:54] <penguin42> latest version of digikam seems very difficult to use IMHO
[11:54] <oimon> not sure why picasa was never open sourced
[11:56] <daubers> oimon: Probably a library thing. Or a patent thing
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> or a patent library thing
[12:06] <MooDoo> i quite like picassa for backing up my raw images, but not for much else
[12:12] <oimon> picasa has enough editing capability to tweak photos without requiring gimp etc. shotwell is lacking in this area
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> I only tweak in ufraw anyway
[12:14] <oimon> wow, kindle books are more ££ than you would pay 2nd hand
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> oimon: some kindle books are more expensive than the paper versions
[12:15] <oimon> obscene
[12:15] <oimon> and dumb
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> oimon: same problem as mp3s/music rights
[12:15] <diplo> Piracy is rampant in ebooks alreadt
[12:15] <diplo> already*
[12:15] <oimon> however, it's easy to rip a cd, the only book ripping that i can do is to hand it to my 1 yr old child
[12:16] <diplo> They have screwed themselve when they had the best idea of how to start
[12:16] <diplo> oimon, loads of dedicated piracy sites for ebooks already
[12:17] <diplo> I know someone who has 1000+ already
[12:17] <oimon> i don't believe in pirating, i just want it to be fair
[12:17] <diplo> He also owns a lot of the books he has
[12:17] <diplo> He has replaced a lot of them for his ereader
[12:17] <diplo> But won't buy ebooks because of the cost of them, still buys paper backs as well
[12:17] <daubers> Need some eyeballs… mine are obviously too stressed to see something obvious
[12:18] <daubers> can anyone see anything immediately wrong with this? http://pastebin.com/P9z48Zig getting the error "modules/matt_test.c:89:21: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘mt_op_tuple’"
[12:18] <oimon> he's still breaking the law, however he justifies it though
[12:18] <diplo> He knows that
[12:18] <oimon> if piracy is already rife, paperback books should come with a one time link to download a personal copy
[12:19] <diplo> Totally agree oimon, like movie people are putting a copy of a digital movie on dvd's / blurays now
[12:19] <oimon> i bought a dvd and apparently it also has a 2nd disk for "digital copy", which is some drm nonsense that does't work on any device i own
[12:19] <diplo> If people are going to pirate they will, but if they can get copies of stuff in digital as well why not
[12:20] <diplo> lol, I've never tried any of mine
[12:20] <oimon> so the dvd was a nice iea, but a complete fail
[12:20] <diplo> I rip the dvd and re-encode myself
[12:20] <oimon> the "digital copy" won't work on my android, touchpad or ubuntu
[12:21] <diplo> They just dont get it do they.. or the games companies
[12:21] <diplo> DRM etc doesn't stop anyone
[12:21] <diplo> Just annoys the people who want to buy stuff
[12:22] <diplo> I also never buy movies brand new, always wait a few months and get it a lot cheaper
[12:22] <diplo> Or with music, I buy pre release to get cheap offers
[12:22] <oimon> on another subject, box.net gave me 50GB free space with the TP :D
[12:23] <diplo> Another thing that annoys me, bought Lissie album after seeing her at Hard Rock Calling, downloaded off amazon and noticed it was only 128k :/
[12:23] <diplo> Blimey, nice
[12:23] <diplo> A year subscription ?
[12:23] <Myrtti> oimon: shotwell is still better than some photobrowsing apps tho
[12:24] <oimon> Myrtti: agree, hope it continues to improve
[12:24] <oimon> diplo: seems that it's permanent
[12:24] <oimon> need confirmation of that thoug
[12:24] <Myrtti> I'm on the verge of venting my soul to Flickr developers
[12:25] <MartijnVdS> ?
[12:26] <oimon> diplo: 50gb for life :D
[12:26] <oimon> worth about $200 per year
[12:26] <diplo> bloody hell, that's good!
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> mind, 50GB won't be much in ~5 years
[12:28] <gord> woot, got UI freeze out of the way :) just focusing on unity bugs and performance the rest of the cycle
[12:29] <oimon> MartijnVdS: nor will the touchpad, but it's a great way of extending the storage and transferring files to the device
[12:36] <shauno> hm, they finally came up with a patch for my dvdr bug; but I no longer have a drive installed.  wondering if I can be bothered get the screwdrivers out this weekend 'n see what it does :/
[12:38] <oimon> daubers: saw your blog post. could be useful! e.g. for sending footie/cricket score updates
[12:39] <oimon> or sending adapted "fortune" messages
[12:58] <daubers> oimon: Oh, yeah :) There's some python api stuff for lib notify that would be a good place to start
[12:58] <daubers> oimon: Was going to use it with matt for some stuffs
[13:01] <oimon> do kindles read epub format?
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> oimon: only after conversion
[13:01] <DJones> oimon: I don't think so, I've looked into that because most of my books are in epub format, but I'm fairly sure it doesn'r read them
[13:01] <oimon> wow, sucks
[13:02] <DJones> oimon: You can convert them using calibre though
[13:02] <oimon> is epub generally the best format to go for, for future proofing?
[13:02] <directhex> pdf!
[13:03] <oimon> reading pdf on a tablet is nice but they don't reflow when you zoom
[13:03] <popey> txt
[13:03] <directhex> jpg
[13:03] <popey> tiff
[13:04] <oimon> are you guys in the pub?
[13:04] <popey> i wish
[13:04] <Myrtti> "when helping, be helpful"
[13:04] <popey> i would buy directhex a beer if I was.
[13:04] <popey> haha
[13:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Paul Mellors] Flattr - http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/08/flattr.html
[13:04] <directhex> the ePub!
[13:04] <popey> ISWYDT
[13:05] <oimon> are there other authors like cory doctorow who release their books free and are worth reading?
[13:05] <popey> yes, there's this dude who has made quite a few popular books
[13:05] <popey> sh
[13:05] <popey> shakey
[13:05] <popey> something like that
[13:05] <oimon> meh
[13:05] <popey> William Shakespear!
[13:06] <popey> thats it
[13:06] <oimon> he's lame
[13:06] <Laney> shakin stevens
[13:06] <oimon> can't even write english properly
[13:06] <oimon> my question refers to contemporary fiction
[13:08] <davmor2> popey: Shakey  he sang behind the green door right?
[13:08] <popey> You'd know mister 80's
[13:08] <daubers> random C question of the day! If I have a pointer to a pointer to a struct, how can I access the members of the struct? so some_struct **x and I want to do x->y
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> daubers: (*bar)->foo
[13:08] <oimon> green door was a cover though
[13:08] <daubers> MartijnVdS: ta
[13:09] <davmor2> popey: I'm very proud of the fact that I enjoy music you can hear the lyrics of thank you very much :P
[13:09]  * popey hands davmor2 an ear trumpet
[13:10] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkXMEoGDLm4 made me smile
[13:10] <davmor2> get off the grass, these young whipper snappers
[13:10] <popey> but then I am nasty like that
[13:10] <davmor2> popey: that's hilarious
[13:12] <bigcalm> popey: that vid requires flash
[13:13] <bigcalm> I thought you'd given up flash
[13:13] <popey> on my own machines, yeah :D
[13:13] <oimon> cmrtaco has resigned from slashdot
[13:13] <popey> haha
[13:13] <oimon> same day as jobs resigned from the legal company
[13:13] <oimon> http://meta.slashdot.org/story/11/08/25/1245200/Rob-CmdrTaco-Malda-Resigns-From-Slashdot
[13:14] <popey> i never read /. these days
[13:14] <popey> haven't for years
[13:15] <oimon> when i scan my twitter feed, i discover that the only links i've clicked are /. stories
[13:16] <oimon> some guys on #touchpad have been to best buy (in the US) today and got touchpads. maybe more for the UK?
[13:19] <BigRedS> yeah, I hardly ever actually visit the /. frontpage itself, but hit most of the links on their twitter feed
[13:23] <Hippychick> urgh! looking in my bag and i cant find any usb sticks... all k can find are 3g dongles!
[13:25]  * daubers makes moar coffee
[13:27]  * oimon has 4 usb sticks in his pocket
[13:37] <dwatkins> thanks for reminding me, oimon - I need to check out what's on my 8 GB stick.
[13:37] <daubers> woot, someones found the patch set that changed vast amounts of the samba vfs stuff and, importantly, the patches didn't changes the docs :(
[13:38] <oimon> btw how do i relabel a disk that gets mounted as /media/12394090i3902=1-30=1-230
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> oimon: using the disk utility (palimpsest) is easiest
[13:40] <oimon> thanks MartijnVdS
[13:41] <oimon> that was easy
[13:56] <AlanBell> palimpsest has the silliest name of any application
[13:56] <AlanBell> considerably sillier than the gimp
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> "A palimpsest is a manuscript page from a scroll or book from which the text has been scraped off and which can be used again"
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> you could argue hard disks work like that ;)
[13:57] <oimon> i call it pal-tab
[13:57] <oimon> baobab is another bad name,
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> vinagre, vino
[13:58] <AlanBell> baobab reminds me of the little prince
[14:00] <davmor2> Mez: I don't think I'm going to be able to make it tonight at least not before everything is over :(  A bunch are looking to come from the northampton group though I brought it up there for you too :)  I hope it all goes well for you :)
[14:17] <kirrus> Special: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiySKuVs2fI
[14:30]  * AlanBell stares in astonishment at bug 764905
[14:30] <Hippychick> oh dear AlanBell
[14:31] <gord> AlanBell, user testing is always enlightening :)
[14:35] <AlanBell> I think that user failed the test
[14:36] <gord> well thats kinda the fun thing, we ain't testing the users, they are testing the design
[14:36] <AlanBell> yeah, I get that. Just wish they had time to sober up first.
[14:38] <gord> well you say that now, but when your drunk and using your computer in the future, you'll be a genius
[14:38] <AlanBell> I am pretty astonished that the applications lens got through user testing
[14:40] <gord> people do pretty well with it, everyone knows google so they put what they were after into the search box and there it is
[14:40] <BigRedS> Well, and there it might be
[14:40] <AlanBell> if you type it then yes
[14:40] <BigRedS> Pointedly, google never silently fails...
[14:41] <diplo> popey, is this the Microserver you have ?
[14:41] <diplo> http://www.ebuyer.com/253305-hp-proliant-athlon-ii-neo-n36l-microserver-100-cashback-633724-421
[14:41] <popey> AlanBell: bug 765905 is quite fun isnt it.
[14:41] <popey> yes diplo
[14:41] <popey> df
[14:41] <AlanBell> if I want to see what applications I have got for working with graphics then no
[14:41] <popey> not that bug
[14:41] <diplo> Cool, new Credit card turned up so ordering now
[14:41] <diplo> :)
[14:42] <AlanBell> gord: so what I want is a lens that shows me *all* the applications I have, grouped by category
[14:42] <BigRedS> AlanBell: like a menu? :)
[14:42] <AlanBell> like the gnome menu does
[14:42] <popey> heh
[14:42] <popey> beat me to it
[14:42] <diplo> http://www.ebuyer.com/search?page=1&store=33&cat=392&filterca76=2000  <-- Any recommendations people ? Going to be a NAS predominantly, quiet would be good
[14:42] <BigRedS> Menus are soooo last century
[14:42] <AlanBell> that is all I want
[14:42] <BigRedS> nobody's doing that any more
[14:43] <AlanBell> gord: would I be best off waiting for that to happen or writing a new lens to do it?
[14:43] <davmor2> AlanBell: Click on application lens and select the group from the drop down?
[14:43] <popey> diplo: how many you buying?
[14:43] <diplo> 2
[14:44] <popey> buy two different ones :D
[14:44] <AlanBell> davmor2: that kind of works (but not in unity 2d right now) however it shows me for example 4 of the 10 accessories I have installed, plus 4 random apps from the app store that I don't have
[14:44] <gord> AlanBell, in O you'll be able to open the applications lens and then filter by category, thats as close as you're going to get in stock unity
[14:44] <diplo> At the mo anyhoo, don't want to outspend myself
[14:44] <diplo> Comes with a 250gb i think
[14:44] <gord> AlanBell, but writing a lens to do precisely what you want is fine too, writing lenses is easy and open source :)
[14:44] <davmor2> AlanBell: hmm true
[14:44] <diplo> Did you see the need to upgrade the ram popey ? Or was it sufficient as a nas with 1gb ?
[14:45] <AlanBell> gord: ok, I will go down that route, all the code is there in the applications lens but in the wrong order
[14:45] <AlanBell> and it is in something called vala
[14:46] <Myrtti> popey: are you running Windows or Ubuntu on that little proliant?
[14:46] <popey> ETOOMANYQUESTIONS
[14:46] <popey> yes, doubled the RAM
[14:46] <popey> Ubuntu server on it
[14:46] <diplo> Sorry matey :)
[14:46] <popey> the hp comes with a 160GB disk
[14:46] <popey> well, mine did
[14:46] <seeker> popey: Where do babies come from?
[14:46] <popey> seeker: storks
[14:47] <davmor2> gord: you're using oneiric right what happens if you select games from the applications refined search I get nothing show up at all
[14:47] <seeker> \o/
[14:47] <popey> diplo: i moved the drive that came with it to the optical bay in the top, so I have 4 bays for big disks
[14:47] <Myrtti> popey: I suppose the raid is "not to be used" if you've got Ubuntu on it
[14:47] <popey> Myrtti: i use md radi
[14:47] <popey> *raid
[14:47] <diplo> Good thinking
[14:47] <gord> davmor2, no idea, i broke my setup earlier :)
[14:47] <AlanBell> davmor2: type something, then delete what you typed
[14:47] <gord> davmor2, so i get no results from anything
[14:47] <davmor2> AlanBell: No all the other groups show something only games that don't
[14:48] <AlanBell> davmor2: oh, me too
[14:48] <davmor2> gord: type m in the main application menu and then delete it when everything shows up
[14:48] <gord> davmor2, no no, i broke everything
[14:48] <gord> nothing will work
[14:49] <davmor2> gord: vandal was you out with them rioters?
[14:49] <gord> davmor2, i riot quietly in my pc
[14:49] <gord> on another topic, why does samba hate me?
[14:50] <davmor2> gord: for the same reason it hates everyone else?
[14:50] <gord> won't let me modify anything :(
[14:50] <BigRedS> rioting quietly?
[14:50] <ikonia-remote> would someone be a gent and see if http://www.disc-tools.com/download/daemon downloads correclt (10mb) I seem to get about 600kb and then the download drops
[14:50] <BigRedS> that's almost as quaint as getting up the morning after a riot for a tidy up
[14:50] <ikonia-remote> not sure if it's the connection/isp I'm using while away or the hosted site
[14:50] <popey> fine here ikonia-remote
[14:51] <gord> fine also here
[14:51] <ikonia-remote> popey: rats, it pulled down the whole 10mb
[14:51] <ikonia-remote> it must  be my isp causing a problem
[14:51] <ikonia-remote> stupid 3rd world internet
[14:51] <ikonia-remote> it just let me pll down a 700mb file from a different site, but won't let me pull down this 10mb file
[14:51] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/DTLite4413-0173.exe  try that
[14:52] <ikonia-remote> that's going better.....
[14:52] <ikonia-remote> nope, crapped out at 3.89 meg
[14:52] <jpds> Exploit detected.
[14:53] <ikonia-remote> ahhh yes, it's listing it as an exploit file
[14:53] <ikonia-remote> popey: could you change it to something not.exe ?
[14:53] <ikonia-remote> (if your willing to test)
[14:53] <popey> .txt now
[14:53] <ikonia-remote> ok, let me try that
[14:54] <diplo> Anyone got any idea to work out what revo model this is ?
[14:54] <diplo> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/161260
[14:54] <ikonia-remote> for the love of god windows....
[14:55] <ikonia-remote> popey: that looks like it will work, but can you chang it to .popey or something as .txt my browser trys to open it as text
[14:55] <ikonia-remote> change it to something the browser won't try to associate with an application
[14:55] <ikonia-remote> .smeg
[14:55] <ikonia-remote> popey: plus, super keep putting the ubuntu favicon on your site
[14:55]  * BigRedS just had an I-told-you-so moment about our non-snmp coffee machine
[14:55] <ikonia-remote> "geek"
[14:55] <kirrus> Does anyone know of an SNMP enabled coffee filter machine?
[14:56] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/DTLite4413-0173.this.is.for.ikonia.ha.ha.ha.stupid.internet
[14:56] <ikonia-remote> popey: bravo
[14:57] <ikonia-remote> popey: it would appear the multiple extensions has fooled whatever tool was.....
[14:57] <ikonia-remote> nope, it filed at 4 meg
[14:57] <ikonia-remote> failed
[14:57] <popey> you suck
[14:57] <ikonia-remote> this is mental
[14:57] <ikonia-remote> popey: this 3rd world insulting random internet sucks
[14:57] <ikonia-remote> it likes a 700 mb file - no problem, it doens't like a 10mb file
[14:58] <ikonia-remote> popey: appreciate the effort
[14:58] <popey> DTLite4413-0173.this.is.for.ikonia.ha.ha.ha.stupid.internet.tgz
[14:58] <popey> try that?
[14:58] <Azelphur> best filename ever
[14:58] <popey> :D
[15:00] <ikonia-remote> popey: it's scanning the content
[15:00] <popey> "it" being?
[15:00] <ikonia-remote> it takes 3.5 - 4mb to work it out then thinks it's an exploit
[15:00] <ikonia-remote> popey: I don't know
[15:00] <ikonia-remote> whatever is cutting me off
[15:00] <ikonia-remote> I'm assuming some sort of proxy thing
[15:00] <popey> want me to put it in a passworded zip so it can't?
[15:00] <BigRedS> base64 it and save it as a txt file
[15:00] <BigRedS> ?
[15:00] <AlanBell> ikonia-remote: could it be right?
[15:00] <ikonia-remote> popey: please, that's worth a try
[15:00] <ikonia-remote> AlanBell: possible, but doubtful
[15:01] <gord> daemon tools trips up anti-virus stuff all the time
[15:01] <popey> ikonia-remote: http://popey.com/~public_html/ikonia.zip
[15:01] <popey> password is your nickname
[15:01] <popey> (no, not stupid_head, ikonia)
[15:01] <ikonia-remote> ha
[15:01] <jpds> Needs more HTTPS.
[15:01] <ikonia-remote> 404 on url
[15:02] <BigRedS> i think there's supposed to be a popey instead of public_html
[15:02] <kirrus> jpds, what is it with you and HTTPS? :P
[15:02] <popey> doh
[15:02] <ikonia-remote> ha ha, good eyes
[15:02] <popey> ikonia-remote: http://popey.com/~alan/ikonia.zip
[15:03] <popey> jpds: can't do https, using 443 for ssh :D
[15:03] <jpds> popey: So use 22 for HTTPS.
[15:04] <Myrtti> genious!
[15:04] <ikonia-remote> popey: worked like a charm, thank you
[15:04] <popey> np
[15:04]  * popey deletes all the malware
[15:04] <ikonia-remote> appreciated
[15:05] <ikonia-remote> tough working over here when you need a something and the random internet fails you
[15:07] <ikonia-remote> I am so immature it's untrue, I'm working with a French chap and an Israeli chap, they are discussing an excel spread sheet and each time either of them say sheet.....it comes out rather ammusing
[15:07] <ikonia-remote> I keep sniggering under my breath,, don't want to offend them but it is ammusing me
[15:07] <ikonia-remote> "can you give me the sheet" and comments like that are making me laugh
[15:08] <jpds> ikonia-remote: Just don't say the Polish for thank you to the French guy.
[15:08] <ikonia-remote> jpds: I do not know polish
[15:08] <ikonia-remote> he is safe
[15:08] <jpds> Good.
[15:12] <AlanBell> so how do I build a lens then? the HACKING file in unity-lens-applications is empty and ./autogen.sh tells me I need gnome-common from gnome SVN. Do I really need that?
[15:13] <davmor2> AlanBell: goto unity.ubuntu.com I'm pretty sure there are some well written docs linked from there but I could be wrong
[15:14] <AlanBell> I read a lot of that, it assumes a certain amount of prior knowledge
[15:16] <AlanBell> there does not seem to be anything telling you how to build a lens or insert your new lens into a running unity
[15:17] <AlanBell> ooh, canonical just sent me an ebook
[15:17] <Azelphur> If I'm trying to run 8 CPU Hungry single threaded applications, do I want an i7 with hyperthreading or 2 Q9xxx's?
[15:17] <popey> they didnt send me one
[15:17] <AlanBell> https://pages.canonical.com/enterprise-desktop-ebook.html
[15:17] <popey> they sent me a link where I can find out how to download it
[15:18] <AlanBell> oh, it is a PDF
[15:19]  * popey gets the pdf url from the source rather than submit stuff
[15:20] <davmor2> AlanBell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses I don't know if this helps I got it from askubuntu
[15:20] <popey> AntiVirus is apparenly included with Ubuntu
[15:20] <popey> and backup software
[15:20] <popey> is that "tar" ?
[15:20] <ikonia-remote> popey: that line really annoys me in the marketing
[15:21] <davmor2> popey: there is already a bug about that
[15:21] <AlanBell> isn't windows multi browser choice these days?
[15:21] <popey> davmor2: no, there isnt
[15:21] <popey> davmor2: this is a marketing PDF
[15:21] <Myrtti> popey: curse you and your licorice
[15:21] <AlanBell> there is a bug about it claiming to be fully compatible with microsoft office
[15:22] <davmor2> popey: ah sorry not the bug is against the web page that is taken from the pdf I think you're right
[15:22] <popey> Myrtti: me and my kids licorice :D
[15:24]  * oimon wants liquorice
[15:25] <Myrtti> popey: dsample is a bit annoyed now, he wants candy but all I have to offer is Turkish Peber
[15:26] <oimon> since removing fabian the german from my feed, google+ is looking bare again!
[15:26]  * popey googles
[15:26] <popey> heh, i removed him long ago oimon :D
[15:26] <oimon> i added him for oggcamp. too much opinion and swearing
[15:26] <popey> yeah
[15:26] <oimon> is that what his podcast is like?
[15:26] <bigcalm> Which is why I never got into LO
[15:26] <popey> pretty much
[15:27]  * oimon munches on a stem ginger cookie ponderously
[15:27] <AlanBell> I listened to an episode, it was very strange
[15:27] <popey> i sometimes listen live
[15:27] <oimon> if i remove popey from g+ then it will be VERY empty
[15:27] <popey> and heckle in irc
[15:27] <bigcalm> G+ has become quiet recently
[15:28] <bigcalm> I think more people are making use of circles
[15:28] <popey> i am not using circles at all
[15:28] <oimon> or maybe everyones playing with their touchpad
[15:28] <bigcalm> And I'm not in those circles that are getting the content
[15:28] <diplo> Well thats the server ordered.., most i have spent on myself in 2-3 years!
[15:28] <bigcalm> popey: I've put people into circles just to organise things, but then I post everything as public
[15:28] <oimon> i wanted to add linus torvalds but he mixes linux stuff with pcitures of his scuba diving gear
[15:29] <popey> me too
[15:29] <AlanBell> I thought circles were a great idea, but I post almost everything public
[15:30] <Myrtti> I love Google+
[15:30] <Myrtti> it's brilliant with the circles
[15:30] <oimon> i had AlanBell but removed him too lol
[15:31] <bigcalm> G+ is great for poking fun at friends ;)
[15:31] <Myrtti> my paranoia about stalkers is a bit lessened when I use Google+ in comparison to Twitter and the ilk
[15:31] <oimon> it needs refining
[15:31] <oimon> Myrtti: u have stalkers, or just worried about them?
[15:32] <bigcalm> oimon: if you're publicly a lady on IRC, I think it's compulsory
[15:32] <oly_> I like google plus but it needs some kind of events planner built in
[15:32] <Myrtti> oimon: I have had a person who told me he was coming to meet me, and after that I was afraid of people of certain group in the local bus for about a month
[15:32] <oimon> hmm
[15:32] <jpds> oly_: Google Calendar?
[15:33] <Myrtti> I've also had death threats from others
[15:33] <oimon> there is a certain class of person who feels too attached to people that share information on broadcast networks
[15:33] <oly_> jpds, perhaps but integrated like in facebook you just go create event and add friends
[15:33] <oimon> a close friend had a lot of unwatned attention from creepy guys because she was quite open
[15:34] <oimon> irl , not online
[15:34] <oly_> very handy feature and about the only thing i use facebook for :)
[15:35] <AlanBell> G+ is potentially a bit stalker friendly with the circles
[15:35] <Myrtti> oimon: well I am fairly known in Finland in a multiple ways, so I'm an easy target, sadly
[15:35] <BigRedS> Whoo! Aqua again!
[15:36] <Myrtti> meh, now I've had too much salmiakki
[15:38] <kirrus> BigRedS, your liking of this is quite... interesting...
[15:39] <bigcalm> Myrtti: give it to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[15:40] <BigRedS> kirrus: it's worth noting that this is B*witched that I'm liking, not Aqua
[15:40] <BigRedS> honest
[15:40] <oimon> what's worse? b*w i think
[15:40] <kirrus> BigRedS, and that makes it better how, exactly? ;) :P
[15:41] <bigcalm> I think I'm going to pass out from blowing my nose
[15:41] <Myrtti> interesting
[15:41] <Myrtti> learn something new every day: "last"
[15:42] <seeker> bigcalm: Got a cold too?
[15:42] <bigcalm> seeker: it's the oggflu
[15:42] <munkyjunky> Heyhey! I'm trying to get Ubuntu 11.04 onto an Acer Aspire One netbook, via USB, and it keeps giving a blank screen after the 'loading linux' screen. Tried the USB on a laptop and it works fine. Anyone got ay guesses as to what may be the issue?
[15:42] <bigcalm> Myrtti: what a have you learnt about last?
[15:43] <seeker> Ah, I have a cold, but not oggflu
[15:43] <oimon> lastlog is also useful
[15:43] <oimon> on a machine with many potential users logging in
[15:44] <Myrtti> bigcalm: it's a funky command!
[15:44] <bigcalm> Myrtti: indeed it is. I tend to do last -20 every time I log onto a remote system
[15:45] <Myrtti> I can tell you that doing "last" on my shell account wasn't a good idea, tho :-D
[15:45] <Myrtti> "oops"
[15:45] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:49] <livingdaylight> greetings
[16:06] <MartijnVdS> \o livingdaylight
[16:07] <livingdaylight> o/ MartijnVdS !
[16:08] <bigcalm> Grrr, the 'net is terribly slow to make connections today
[16:08]  * bigcalm shakes fist at VM
[16:12] <MartijnVdS> what? no updates in oneiric today?
[16:12] <MartijnVdS> What happen?
[16:12] <davmor2> Freeze for beat 1 next week
[16:12] <MartijnVdS> ah
[16:12] <davmor2> beta even
[16:12] <MartijnVdS> I'd expect more bugfix uploads then ;)
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> Lots of apps still complain about GConf dbus messages not existing
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> D-BUS error: Method "Set" with signature "s(ib)" on interface "org.gnome.GConf.Database" doesn't exist
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> stuff like that
[16:15] <ikonia-remote> MartijnVdS: tht stuff should still exist
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> apparently, it doesn't, sometimes
[16:18] <ikonia-remote> well it either exists or it doesn't, the connection or how it connects maybe the problem
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> ikonia-remote: I'm starting programs from the command line, so I can see what errors they throw
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> starting "picard" crashes unity-window-decorator \o/
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> vlc as well, sometimes
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> I'm going to reboot, just in case (this feels dirty)
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> Argh! Where did "Reboot" go in my menu?>
[16:20] <ikonia-remote> MartijnVdS: that's not always going to be a valid test
[16:21] <ikonia-remote> not all programs will output to the command line, it depends
[16:21] <ikonia-remote> don't take that as gospal
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> ikonia-remote: I know
[16:23] <MartijnVdS> ikonia-remote: but if it outputs an error, it should either catch that or fix it ;)
[16:23] <MartijnVdS> ikonia-remote: it happens just before banshee crashes, too
[16:23] <MartijnVdS> also sound-juicer
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> WARN  2011-08-25 18:25:54 glib <unknown>:0 Unable to fetch children: Method "Children" with signature "" on interface "org.ayatana.bamf.view" doesn't exist
[16:27]  * bigcalm continues to shake his fist at VM
[16:47] <HazRPG> anyone heard about the new IBM "brain" chip? The one that's meant to replicate the human brain...
[16:47] <HazRPG> http://venturebeat.com/2011/08/17/ibm-cognitive-computing-chips/
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: itym http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_(Terminator)
[16:50] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: heh, I knew someone would like to that :P
[17:10] <HazRPG> link*
[17:10] <HazRPG> just realised I typed that wrong, was too busy watching the videos at the bottom of the link I sent
[17:22] <ikonia-remote> should the nvidia package create a base xorg.conf with base nvidia settings in it ?
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> No idea
[17:23] <ikonia-remote> I don't have a machine to test it on,
[17:24] <popey> no
[17:25] <popey> nvidia-xconfig does that
[17:25] <ikonia-remote> ok, I think I'm going to put that into the package then and put it in as an update
[17:25] <popey> or jockey
[17:25] <ikonia-remote> jockey won't do it will it ?
[17:25] <ikonia-remote> I thought only nvidia-xconfig did it
[17:25] <popey> i have a feeling it does
[17:25] <popey> but maybe not :D
[17:25] <ikonia-remote> I'll check that out before rushing in then as I had no idea it could do that
[17:26] <Psychobudgie> anyone got any idea why thunderbird won't show an icon on the unity launcher when launched
[17:27] <ikonia-remote> there seems to be quite a few bugs with applications that are not the system default
[17:27] <Psychobudgie> other than unity being a bug ridden mess
[17:27] <ikonia-remote> in terms of displaying on the icon
[17:27] <Psychobudgie> which it is
[17:28] <Psychobudgie> that'll teach me to be proactive thought I would migrate to thunderbird from evolution in lieu of Ocelot and that happens
[17:28] <popey> you can keep evolution in ocelot of course
[17:28] <popey> its only the default
[17:28] <ikonia-remote> has evolution been dropped as default in 11.10 ?
[17:28] <popey> apparently so
[17:28] <Psychobudgie> you can, but thunderbird is the new default in ocelot
[17:29] <Psychobudgie> the way unity currently handles non-default apps doesn't exactly fill me full of hope for ocelot
[17:29] <ikonia-remote> I'm glad Thunderbird has been adopted
[17:29] <Psychobudgie> I'm not
[17:30] <ikonia-remote> I just wish someone could get Thunderbird and Sunbird to make an Outlook style client, that could deal with meeting requests and calander sync/planning
[17:30] <Psychobudgie> it has issues with large quantities of mail
[17:30] <ikonia-remote> I know there is the sunbird plugin, but it sucks
[17:30] <ikonia-remote> Psychobudgie: define large
[17:30] <Psychobudgie> and it has a distinct lack of a calendar
[17:30] <Psychobudgie> large as in corporate large
[17:31] <ikonia-remote> define large
[17:31] <ikonia-remote> I use thunderbird in a corperate enviornment
[17:31] <Psychobudgie> as in the application tends to go into meltdown when it gets over 10000 or so messages to archive
[17:31] <Psychobudgie> so did I
[17:31] <ikonia-remote> the lack of calander is really annoying, and sunbird is really good, so it would be amazing to merge them, or have some sort of interface between them
[17:31] <ikonia-remote> 10,000 active messages is quite a lot, archived not massive
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> ikonia-remote: like lightning?
[17:32] <ikonia-remote> the two standalone applications are great, but they are totally not aware of each other
[17:32] <Psychobudgie> I think moving to thunderbird is a mistake personally
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> ikonia-remote: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/lightning/
[17:32] <ikonia-remote> I started a small project based on a brainstorm post I made on this idea, but it never got traction
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> ikonia-remote: it's sunbird as a tb plugin
[17:32] <ikonia-remote> MartijnVdS: I know what it is
[17:32] <ikonia-remote> MartijnVdS: it's not great
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> ikonia-remote: it works..ish
[17:36] <Psychobudgie> I trust there will be a migration tool for people to easily move from evolution to thunderbird </irony>
[17:37] <Psychobudgie> darn it, I meant to use the sarcasm module
[17:40] <HazRPG> also, wow Steve Jobs is stepping down as CEO
[17:40] <popey> heh
[17:40] <popey> welcome to 18 hours ago ☺
[17:41] <ikonia-remote> darn connection
[18:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol - look at the inc VAT vs ex. VAT price ;-) http://www8.hp.com/uk/en/products/tablets/product-detail.html?oid=5107123
[18:21] <matti> ;]
[18:22] <Azelphur> TheOpenSourcerer: if only we really did have -400% VAT :D
[18:22] <Azelphur> or whatever that VAT calculation is :P
[18:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> That is +470% VAT :-(
[18:23] <munkyjunky> Having issues installing 11.04 - install says its first 'Loading Linux' line, then stops, leaving blank screen with a cursor flashing. Help, anyone?
[18:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> roghly
[18:24] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.jb.man.ac.uk/news/2011/DiamondPlanet/ - Cool. A planet with slightly more mass than jupiter made of diamond.
[18:29] <Azelphur> suddenly the private space race gets more interesting
[18:29] <Azelphur> :P
[18:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Trouble is it is orbitting a pulsar at stupidly fast speeds... Hard to catch it.
[18:33] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:36] <penguin42> that's going to need one hell of a ring to mount it on
[18:36] <popey> {
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> }
[19:05] <popey> :D wondered who would crack
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> popey: It messes with my CDO :)
[19:18] <ikonia-remote> directhex: I've just been told that Pepsi Raw (called Pepsi Natural) was dropped from Brazil shortly before my arival. Redbull Cola never made it to Brazil
[19:18] <directhex> ikonia-remote: it's personal.
[19:18] <ikonia-remote> clearly
[19:19] <popey> ikonia-remote: you're in brazil?
[19:19] <directhex> my local tesco is clearing its stock of red bull cola
[19:19] <ikonia-remote> although I did find a nice Pepsi Twist (Pepsi + lime) but it's standard pepsi
[19:19] <ikonia-remote> popey: yes,
[19:19] <popey> nice, how come? work?
[19:19] <ikonia-remote> hence "ikonia-remote" and unidenfitied
[19:19] <ikonia-remote> popey: yes, a bit of client smoozing, hence the drama with the file earlier
[19:19] <popey> nice
[19:19] <popey> having a good time?
[19:19] <ikonia-remote> it's ok
[19:19] <ikonia-remote> %50/%50 to be honest, I'll get into it more tomorrow and do stuff at the weekend
[19:20] <ikonia-remote> I'm sure it will go more to %20/%80 in Rio's favour
[19:22] <ikonia-remote> directhex: please pickup as much redbull cola and I'll split %50 with you
[19:22] <ikonia-remote> my Tesco cleared it off about 2 days after your announcment
[19:22] <ikonia-remote> I had high hopes of bringing Pepsi Raw home with me and sending you random pictures
[19:24] <directhex> i've got 4 cans left
[19:25] <directhex> it's good with a decent rum
[19:26] <ikonia-remote> I've got 2 bottles that I found
[19:26] <ikonia-remote> I've just read that Feb 2011 Oz got Pepsi Raw, imported from the UK
[19:26] <ikonia-remote> they have my COLA !!!!
[19:26] <ikonia-remote> good job I'll be going to Oz for work in October
[19:27] <ikonia-remote> I'm bored,
[19:28] <directhex> heh
[19:28] <directhex> clearly you need more games
[19:28] <ikonia-remote> a friend in the UK up;loaded Armada II for me last night,
[19:28] <ikonia-remote> so I pulled that down this morning, that will keep me sane tonight, then I'm going to sample Rio properly tomorrow
[19:29] <ikonia-remote> I'm limited as to what I can play with this laptop
[19:29] <ikonia-remote> it's a good laptop, but still......it's a laptop
[19:30] <directhex> steam is great if you're stuck in a hotel with internet access
[19:30] <directhex> i find the civilization series is laptop-friendly
[19:30] <ikonia-remote> yeah, I should look at putting steam on this, and I do enjoy civilization too
[19:32] <ikonia-remote> I've grabbed Age of Empires II from my machine at home as that was still in my home dir,
[19:34] <ikonia-remote_> damn 3rd world internet connetion
[19:34] <popey> ikonia-remote: google+ games :D
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> I have Civ:Call to Power for LInux
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> Working on oneiric with minimal hackage
[19:36] <ikonia-remote_> gaming on Linux is poor.....
[19:38] <ikonia-remote> I should have packed an emmulator and re-lived some C64 or Amiga fun, that would pass a few hours
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> dosbox + abandonware :)
[19:38] <DeadEnd> BBC are demanding I pay for TV licence for my mobile phone :
[19:38] <ikonia-remote> DeadEnd: really ?
[19:38] <ikonia-remote> I turn my back for a few days and the BBC goes mental ?
[19:39] <popey> if you watch near-live TV then yeah, you should pay for a license
[19:39] <DeadEnd> Yup they putting me under investigation
[19:39] <popey> also, its not the BBC that are demanding it
[19:39] <popey> its the TV Licensing authority
[19:39]  * MartijnVdS turns on his sat receiver and whistles innocently
[19:40] <ikonia-remote> popey: that's not unreasonable, if you use the BBC services, radio/tv/internet, you pay
[19:40] <popey> exactly
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> I'd pay, but I can't supply an address outside the UK :)
[19:40] <DeadEnd> Buut I dont !!!
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> so.. thanks everyone for paying ;)
[19:40] <ikonia-remote> DeadEnd: you don't use any BBC services at all
[19:40] <DeadEnd> That why I am under investigation
[19:41] <DeadEnd> nope dont watch the bbc
[19:41] <ikonia-remote> do you use the website/radio ?
[19:41] <popey> it doesnt apply to just bbc
[19:41] <DeadEnd> Nope boring as hell me
[19:41] <popey> even if you only watched Channel 4
[19:42] <ikonia-remote> popey: ahh, that's the catch isn't it, there is wording to prevent that sort of agrument
[19:42] <ikonia-remote> it's a "multimedia tax" in reality, that gets given to the BBC
[19:42] <popey> nope
[19:42] <popey> other broadcasters get some
[19:42] <popey> not just bbc
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> \o/ ##politics-uk?
[19:42] <popey> heh
[19:43] <ikonia-remote> popey: it's cut up quite poor though
[19:43] <ikonia-remote> there was a documentary on this last year
[19:43] <ikonia-remote> Channel 4 was used as one of the hard hit cases as I recal
[19:44] <ikonia-remote> I don't mind paying it, I think the free to air services in the UK are pretty good and the BBC as an overall service mega
[19:44] <ikonia-remote> puts other countries to shame
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> BBC is amazing, I'm glad I can receive the free-to-air satellite broadcasts here in the Netherlands :)
[19:45] <ikonia-remote> watching TV in Brazil hilights how far ahead we are
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> still need to figure out some "PC-as-video_recorder" software, so I can record programs
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> (but that doesn't take over all of the system, like myth or vdr)
[19:46] <popey> ikonia-remote: why dont you ssh to a remote host and run irssi?
[19:48] <ikonia-remote-> watching TV in Brazil makes me realise how ahead we are. It's like watching a slightly out of tune TV, with the contrast up full, and the bass control on the TV broke
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> ikonia-remote-: ah, like Italy
[19:49] <ikonia-remote-> without pornography though
[19:49] <ikonia-remote-> so similar
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> ikonia-remote-: ask daubers about BBC engineers some time :)
[19:49] <ikonia-remote-> I shall
[19:49] <ikonia-remote-> one of my clients is the BBC so I may ask some direct
[19:51] <ikonia-remote-> DeadEnd: what media services do you actually use/watch if you don't mind me asking
[19:53] <DeadEnd> listen to  Podcasts mainly and mostly music
[19:53] <ikonia-remote-> do you watch no TV services, even on the computer ?
[19:54] <DeadEnd> If I do watch any visual stuff it is on youtube
[19:54] <ikonia-remote-> DeadEnd: if that's %100 accurate, you are a rare breed in my eyes, but maybe times are changing
[19:55] <Lcawte> Who did the talk on community week or whatever it was called on starting a podcast?
[19:57] <DeadEnd> Are the TV people going to come round and look through my phone records
[19:57] <DeadEnd> force me to give them my password to my laptop
[19:57] <DeadEnd> Then imprison me
[19:57] <ali1234> they will send a guy around
[19:58] <ali1234> and basically if you don't have a TV switched on and watching TV they won't do anything more
[19:58] <DeadEnd> I have had them round before, I have a large flat screen TV but I only use it as a monitor, they accepted my argument
[19:58] <ali1234> yes, they do
[19:59] <ali1234> if you are nice to the guy then they pretty much won't do anything
[19:59] <ikonia-remote-> they wil start to push more though
[19:59] <ali1234> they are not supposed to send them more than every 5 years or something
[19:59] <ikonia-remote-> they can request things like ISP logs
[19:59] <ikonia-remote-> DeadEnd: do you live alone ?
[19:59] <DeadEnd> Last visit was 3 years ago
[19:59] <DeadEnd> I live alone
[19:59] <ali1234> btw the license fee only applies to live streaming, not iplayer or the rest of the website
[20:00] <ikonia-remote-> the license does apply to the iplayer
[20:00] <DeadEnd> Well there is no way I can get digital TV on mobile phone
[20:00] <ali1234> no, it doesn't
[20:00] <ali1234> it only applies to the "watch live" section, which has a big disclaimer
[20:01] <ikonia-remote-> ali1234: where is the info, the last time I checked this the iplayer was incluced, or so I believed
[20:01] <popey> ikonia-remote-: nope
[20:01] <ikonia-remote-> (I'm having a search now too)
[20:01] <ali1234> "You need to be covered by a licence if you watch TV online at the same  time as it's being broadcast on conventional TV in the UK or the Channel  Islands. " - from tvlicensing.co.uk
[20:01] <popey> ikonia-remote-: only live or near-live requires a license
[20:01] <ikonia-remote-> popey: that's super value then
[20:01] <ikonia-remote-> popey: I thought it included radio use too
[20:01] <popey> you dont need a license for radio
[20:01] <DeadEnd> I am looking at my letter from the BBC and it clearly states mobile phone,,,,so how many mobile phone have a digital tuner?
[20:01] <popey> DeadEnd: doesnt need one
[20:02] <popey> DeadEnd: if you watch live telly on it you need a license
[20:02] <popey> which you could watch over the internet
[20:02] <ikonia-remote-> popey: that's even more impressive value then
[20:02] <ali1234> yep, same for mobile
[20:02] <ali1234> http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/
[20:02] <DeadEnd> So I can record live TV and watch it later without a licence?
[20:02] <ali1234> no
[20:02] <popey> nope
[20:02] <DeadEnd> I am not watching it live
[20:02] <ali1234> watching or recording live tv is covered
[20:03] <ikonia-remote-> ali1234: excellent, thank you for that link
[20:03] <ali1234> ikonia-remote-: this topic comes up fairly regularly :)
[20:03] <ali1234> along with the "ripping cd to mp3 is illegal" topic
[20:03] <ali1234> btw, what's the deal with that?
[20:04] <ikonia-remote-> ali1234: you are well prepared then
[20:04] <ali1234> has the law actually changed, or was it just a promise to change it at some unspecified later date?
[20:05] <popey> not yet
[20:05] <popey> still illegal to rip your own cd/dvd
[20:05] <popey> under review
[20:06] <ikonia-remote-> wasn't it on the house of lords agenda before the summer break
[20:08] <jpds> ikonia-remote-: summer break... http://tinyurl.com/3bnshc5
[20:09] <ikonia-remote-> .............waiting for it to load in 3rd world hamster driven internet
[20:09] <popey> i wouldn't bother
[20:10] <brobostigon> question, pisg isnt updating channel activity at all, when run. i have checked the paths, and it is all correct. any other factors that could affect it not picking up on activity properly?
[20:10] <ali1234> what's a pisg?
[20:10] <bigcalm> !pisg
[20:11] <bigcalm> lubotu3 doesn't know
[20:11] <popey> a script to generate irc stats
[20:11] <popey> http://ubuntu-uk.org/ircstats/ like that
[20:11] <bigcalm> http://pisg.sourceforge.net/
[20:11] <ali1234> ok. wrong log format?
[20:11] <brobostigon> http://taylorworld.me.uk/ircstats.html
[20:12] <brobostigon> i have it set to irssi, as i am using irssi, and pointed at irssi's log file.
[20:12] <popey> hehe, busy channel!
[20:12] <popey> i dont use irssi logs for pisg, i use muh
[20:12] <brobostigon> popey: it clearly isnt picking up on things, i said something in there just now, and it isnt showing it.
[20:13] <popey> why would it show it right away?
[20:13] <popey> surely you have to re-run the bot
[20:13] <brobostigon> popey: i have the update, set to run in crontab, and i just updated it manually.
[20:14] <brobostigon> 0 */3 * * * root /usr/bin/pisg -co /etc/pisg.cfg
[20:14] <ali1234> i would suggest you look in the source code but if it is written perl that would probably be counter-productive
[20:14] <brobostigon> http://pastebin.com/dVMSHxCn
[20:14] <popey> I'd run it manually
[20:15] <popey> see what output you get
[20:15] <brobostigon> popey: i just did, made no difference.
[20:15] <brobostigon> one moment.
[20:15] <ali1234> ah
[20:15] <ali1234> check permissions on /var/www/ircstats.html
[20:15] <ali1234> maybe you can create but not update due to some strange umask thing
[20:16] <brobostigon> http://pastie.org/2429702
[20:16] <brobostigon> it isnt showing any issues.
[20:16] <ali1234> so did "68 days, 628 lines total" change?
[20:18] <j0nr> hi folks... wondering if someone can help.... I have an issue with the clock on my vps
[20:18] <j0nr> its running madly fast, like gaining hours every second
[20:18] <brobostigon> ali1234: no, i manually updated it again.
[20:19] <popey> j0nr: what changed?
[20:19] <popey> brobostigon: wc -l  /home/ptaylor/irclogs/Freenode/##politics-uk.log
[20:19] <popey> j0nr: who hosts the vps?
[20:19] <ikonia-remote-> j0nr: what version
[20:20] <ikonia-remote-> j0nr: 2.6.18 kernels anre earlier have a big glitch with virtual clocks
[20:20] <brobostigon> popey: 1266 /home/ptaylor/irclogs/Freenode/##politics-uk.log
[20:20] <j0nr> popey: I had to reboot my vps since then it is not running right (no idea why)
[20:21] <ikonia-remote-> j0nr: manually set the date with ntpdate - then setup ntpd to keep it in sync, it may need to run quite frequent depending on your kernel version
[20:21] <ikonia-remote-> j0nr: you can't just use ntp if your clock is more than 5 minutes drift, it will need to be manualy syncd
[20:21] <j0nr> ikonia-remote-: I have tried installing apt-get -y install linux-image-2.6.24-29-xen linux-headers-2.6.24-29-xen
[20:21] <ikonia-remote-> j0nr: you shouldn't need to do that
[20:22] <ikonia-remote-> j0nr: set the date from a remote time source with ntpdate, then use that same remote time source to keep it in sync with ntp
[20:22] <j0nr> ikonia-remote-: ntpdate will not work for some reason. I guess it is because the clock it adrift. if I set the date/time first with 'date <string>' it changes within seconds to another day...so I dont get a chance to run ntpdate
[20:22] <ikonia-remote-> j0nr: what command are you doing and what error are you getting back
[20:23] <j0nr> ikonia-remote-: ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com
[20:23] <popey> j0nr: who hosts your vps?
[20:23] <ikonia-remote-> j0nr: see to popey then give me the error message
[20:23] <j0nr> 25 Aug 21:21:16 ntpdate[2178]: no server suitable for synchronization found
[20:24] <j0nr> popey: xenvz.co.uk
[20:24] <ikonia-remote-> j0nr: that's the issue then
[20:24] <brobostigon> any ideas? everything looks right, other than it not seeing all the lines in the log.
[20:24] <ikonia-remote-> j0nr: it can't reach ntp.ubuntu.com on the correct port
[20:24] <j0nr> ikonia-remote-: what does that mean? I did also install ntpd but I stopped it
[20:25] <ikonia-remote-> j0nr: ntp.ubuntu.com doesn't appear to be a valid host
[20:25] <j0nr> also I had to echo 1 into /proc/sys/xen/independant_clock to allow me to override the parent machine (I think)
[20:26] <j0nr> ikonia-remote-: I also tried pool.ntp.org
[20:26] <ikonia-remote-> Joeb454: my remote dns isn't spot on at ht emoment,
[20:26] <ikonia-remote-> j0nr: your uk based yes ?
[20:26] <j0nr> ikonia-remote-: yes
[20:27] <j0nr> I can understand getting the time synced, but why is it racing away at a rate of hours per second?
[20:27] <ikonia-remote> j0nr: is your server uk based ?
[20:27] <popey> I'd contact the vendor
[20:28] <j0nr> popey: their suggeston is to install 'official ubuntu kernel'
[20:28] <popey> what kernel are you currently using?
[20:28] <j0nr> which I find strange I should have to do
[20:28] <popey> 2.6.32-316-ec2
[20:28] <j0nr> especially afterI have been using this setup for years
[20:28] <popey> thats what I'm running on my Xen VPS
[20:28] <ikonia-remote> j0nr: is the server uk based ?
[20:28] <j0nr> popey: 2.6.18-238.19.1.el5xen
[20:28] <popey> j0nr: yes
[20:29] <popey> thats old old old
[20:29] <popey> why are you using that?
[20:29] <j0nr> i dont know.. I have done apt-get install later one
[20:29] <popey> is it running ubuntu 10.04?
[20:29] <j0nr> oh...no 8.04
[20:29] <ikonia-remote> j0nr: is the server uk based ?
[20:29] <j0nr> ikonia-remote: ummm.... not sure if the machine is in the UK.... anyway to find out?
[20:30] <ikonia-remote> j0nr: don't worry, just run this test "sudo ntpdate 0.uk.poo.ntp.org"
[20:30] <ikonia-remote> j0nr: don't worry, just run this test "sudo ntpdate 0.uk.pool.ntp.org"
[20:30] <ikonia-remote> (note the missing l)
[20:30] <popey> hmm, -ec2 kernel isn't in 8.04
[20:31] <j0nr> root@jcrdevelopments:/home/jonr# ntpdate 0.uk.pool.ntp.org
[20:31] <j0nr> 25 Aug 21:28:53 ntpdate[2237]: no server suitable for synchronization found
[20:31] <ikonia-remote> pool
[20:31] <ikonia-remote> j0nr: ok - nslookup 0.uk.poo.ntp.org
[20:31] <ikonia-remote> my "l" key is sticking
[20:32] <j0nr> heh heh ok
[20:32] <popey> j0nr: ps aux | grep ntp
[20:33] <popey> are there any ntp related things running?
[20:33] <ikonia-remote> nah, you'd get a different error if there was
[20:33] <ikonia-remote> can't bind to socket
[20:33] <popey> true
[20:33] <ikonia-remote> I bet it can't resolve it
[20:33] <popey> but why would it race
[20:33] <popey> i can understand the clock being wrong, but not why it races
[20:33] <ikonia-remote> pre .18 kernel
[20:33] <ikonia-remote> it's a bug
[20:33] <popey> well yes
[20:34] <ikonia-remote> I was involved in the resolution with Redhat for 5.4
[20:34] <ikonia-remote> doesn't help that his host is probably out of sync too
[20:34] <j0nr> but why has it only just made itself a problem? Ive been running 8.04 as long as I've had the VPS no problems
[20:34] <popey> I'd certainly look at a newer kernel
[20:34] <ikonia-remote> j0nr: lets sort out ntp first - then lets see what happens
[20:34] <ikonia-remote> I suspect ntp has been keeping it alive ok, and now ntp isn't working
[20:34] <ikonia-remote> or something like that
[20:35] <j0nr> Server:         95.154.254.254
[20:35] <j0nr> Address:        95.154.254.254#53
[20:35] <j0nr> Non-authoritative answer:
[20:35] <j0nr> Name:   0.uk.pool.ntp.org
[20:35] <j0nr> Address: 94.23.152.214
[20:35] <j0nr> Name:   0.uk.pool.ntp.org
[20:35] <j0nr> Address: 194.238.48.2
[20:35] <j0nr> Name:   0.uk.pool.ntp.org
[20:35] <j0nr> Address: 78.129.239.26
[20:35] <j0nr> root@jcrdevelopments:/home/jonr# nslookup 0.uk.pool.ntp.org
[20:35] <j0nr> Server:         95.154.254.254
[20:35] <j0nr> Address:        95.154.254.254#53
[20:35] <j0nr> Non-authoritative answer:
[20:35] <j0nr> Name:   0.uk.pool.ntp.org
[20:35] <j0nr> Address: 94.23.152.214
[20:35] <j0nr> Name:   0.uk.pool.ntp.org
[20:35] <j0nr> Address: 194.238.48.2
[20:35] <j0nr> Name:   0.uk.pool.ntp.org
[20:35] <ikonia-remote> ok - great, you can resolve it
[20:35] <popey> !paste
[20:35] <ikonia-remote> can you connect to any of those hosts on port 123
[20:35] <j0nr> didnt mean that /o\
[20:36] <ikonia-remote> connect to 0.uk.pool.org on port 123 as a test
[20:36] <j0nr> ikonia-remote: how? :/
[20:36] <ikonia-remote> pool.ntp.org
[20:36] <ikonia-remote> that wasn't a sticking key, that was my being stupid
[20:36] <ikonia-remote> j0nr: telnet 0.uk.pool.ntp.org 123
[20:38] <j0nr> ikonia-remote: unable to connect timeout
[20:38] <ikonia-remote> j0nr: ok - so there is the problem
[20:38] <popey> firewall problem?
[20:38] <ikonia-remote> j0nr: something is blocking you
[20:38] <ikonia-remote> host or guest firewall, or a network firewall
[20:38] <ikonia-remote> at least it wasn't connection refused, which means they have blacklisted you and is a real headache
[20:39] <popey> when pool.ntp started I used to run an ntp server on my vps
[20:39] <popey> got silly because most other customers had one too
[20:39] <popey> quite pointless running lots of ntp servers on one set of physical boxen
[20:39] <j0nr> so is this a question for my provider?
[20:39] <popey> j0nr: depends, if you have a firewall configured yourself
[20:40] <j0nr> I haven't ever configured one
[20:40] <ikonia-remote> j0nr: if you want to test, sudo iptables -F
[20:40] <ikonia-remote> j0nr: that will flush all your rules
[20:40] <j0nr> I seem to have network issues...related or not I am not sure.... e.g. lag 999 in irssi
[20:41] <j0nr> ikonia-remote: iptables not installed
[20:41] <ikonia-remote> j0nr: ok, time to contact the provider
[20:41] <ikonia-remote> something is blocking port 123 to the public internet
[20:41] <ikonia-remote> ask them to fix that
[20:41] <popey> j0nr: does ifconfig show dropped or errored packets?
[20:42] <j0nr> popey: no
[20:43] <ikonia-remote_> sorry, my connection dumped again
[20:43] <ikonia-remote_> the hamster had to stop for a drink
[20:43] <popey> ikonia-remote_: why not use irssi on a server?
[20:44] <ikonia-remote_> popey: because I can't get out on port 22 from this customers site
[20:44] <j0nr> OK, I shall ask my provider if there is something blocking traffic on port 123 as I cannot connect to NTP servers....
[20:44] <ikonia-remote_> or I'd be on my normal box
[20:44] <popey> ikonia-remote_: this is why I have ssh on port 443 :D
[20:44] <j0nr> popey: snap
[20:44] <ikonia-remote_> popey: I don't think even that would work as I'm hitting a proxy at the moment thats only active for the web browser
[20:45] <popey> yeah, i go via a proxy :D
[20:45] <popey> putty -> proxy -> sshd on 443
[20:45] <bigcalm_lappy486> I'm going to murderise VM in a bit
[20:45] <ikonia-remote_> I don't know if putty will work with this web proxy
[20:45] <ikonia-remote_> I may try it when I get home
[20:45] <j0nr> thanks popey ikonia-remote for your help :)
[20:46] <j0nr> its a pain as I cannot use any commands that send stuff to AWS S3
[20:46] <j0nr> as the incorrect time seems to upset it
[20:46] <ikonia-remote_> j0nr: sort this and we can help you keep your machine in time sync
[20:46] <j0nr> seeing as it is a bug in 8.04, do you think upgrading will help?
[20:47] <popey> its not a bug in 8.04
[20:47] <popey> you're running 2.6.18 which didn't ship with 8.04
[20:47] <ikonia-remote_> and 2.6.18 was the killer kernel
[20:48] <ikonia-remote_> post 2.6.18 should be fine
[20:48] <popey> hardy (8.04) ships with 2.6.24 or thereabouts
[20:48] <ikonia-remote_> I suspect the xen host is 2.6.18 Redhat pre 5.4
[20:48] <ikonia-remote_> j0nr: pastebin the output of uname -a for interest
[20:48] <popey> just sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic
[20:48] <ikonia-remote_> (if you don't mind)
[20:48] <ikonia-remote_> popey: maynot be able to if the xen host is locked in
[20:48] <popey> he can try :D
[20:49] <ikonia-remote_> lets look at the kernel first
[20:49] <ikonia-remote_> if it's a redhat one, the xen host will be running in a mode which is like an earlier version of containers, in which case....game over
[20:49] <popey> 2.6.18-238.19.1.el5xen
[20:49] <popey> thats his kernel
[20:49] <ikonia-remote_> there we go
[20:49] <ikonia-remote_> Redhat EL pre 5.4
[20:49] <j0nr> popey earlier i did apt-get install linux-image-xen
[20:50] <ikonia-remote_> he won't be able to install anything
[20:50] <ikonia-remote_> that kernel will be locked in
[20:50] <popey> ikonia-remote_: but his provider specifically told him to
[20:50] <ikonia-remote_> popey: then his provider don't know how to manage their kit
[20:50] <ikonia-remote_> j0nr: reboot, I bet it doesn't change the kernel
[20:50] <popey> either way its their issue
[20:50] <j0nr> my provider has been suggesting I install 'official ubuntu kernels'
[20:50] <ikonia-remote_> j0nr: who runs this VPS ?
[20:50] <ikonia-remote_> j0nr: as in the host not the guest
[20:50] <j0nr> rebooted several times, and yes, uname -a:
[20:50] <ikonia-remote_> yup, it's running as a container, you aren't changing that kerenl
[20:50] <ikonia-remote_> kernel
[20:51] <j0nr> Linux jcrdevelopments.com 2.6.18-238.19.1.el5xen #1 SMP Fri Jul 15 08:16:59 EDT 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:51] <ikonia-remote_> j0nr: who runs the host ?
[20:52] <popey> ikonia-remote_: http://xenvz.co.uk/
[20:52] <ikonia-remote_> thank you, I must have missed part of this in my drops, you seemed clued in
[20:52] <popey> wow, cpanel 15 quid a month!
[20:52] <popey> they must be raking it in
[20:53] <j0nr> I don't use cpanel
[20:53] <ikonia-remote_> j0nr: contact your hosting provider and tell them a.) update their host to a Redhat or Centos 5.4 or later version, this will help b.) unblock port 123 on their host network to allow you to sync with ntp servers
[20:54] <ikonia-remote_> I wonder if zenvz.co.uk is eagles UK company, as it looks as sloppy administrated as he'd do
[20:54] <ikonia-remote_> xenvz
[20:54] <popey> "XenVZ is a subsidiary of OpenITC, founded by David Man and Sean McRobbie in 2007"
[20:54] <j0nr> I have to say, before this hiccup, I have had great service from them.
[20:54] <ikonia-remote_> j0nr: that's the way you'll get this fixed
[20:54] <ikonia-remote_> popey: I must remember to look out for their names......and not work with them
[20:54] <popey> haha
[20:54] <popey> grumpy grue :D
[20:55] <ikonia-remote_> well, if they are running containers and their support is telling the paying customer to update kernel......they need shooting
[20:55] <bigcalm_lappy> Wow, my upload bandwidth is greater than my download
[20:55] <bigcalm_lappy> Good on you VM
[20:55] <ikonia-remote_> if they are running pre 5.4 kernels on a virtual host......they want shooting
[20:55] <ikonia-remote_> either way, shooting needs to happen
[20:55] <popey> Measurement Period:	  1days 6h:15m:22s
[20:55] <popey> Data Downloaded:	  9GB 416MB
[20:55] <popey> Data Uploaded:	  1GB 379MB
[20:55] <popey> :D
[20:56] <ikonia-remote_> popey: I think I'm on 11kb up and 14kb down at the moment here
[20:56] <j0nr> ikonia-remote_: I feel not in a clever enough position to tell them how to run their server :/
[20:56] <ikonia-remote_> j0nr: those two things need to happen,
[20:56] <ikonia-remote_> j0nr: the opening of port 123 MUST happen, the kernel update should happen
[21:03] <popey> oooooooooo
[21:03] <popey> superhub has a "block sites" option
[21:03] <popey> might block facebook for a laugh :D
[21:03] <bigcalm_lappy> Yus
[21:03] <bigcalm_lappy> Hehe
[21:03] <popey> wife would go potty
[21:03] <ikonia-remote_> what is superhub
[21:03] <popey> virgin cable modem
[21:03] <bigcalm_lappy> I've offered to block Facebook and Twitter for Hayley
[21:03] <bigcalm_lappy> She said no
[21:03] <ikonia-remote_> superhub sounds cool
[21:03] <ikonia-remote_> what a great name
[21:03] <popey> heh
[21:03] <bigcalm_lappy> The SuberHub is anything but
[21:03] <ikonia-remote_> I'm on the superhub
[21:04] <popey> its a rebranded netgear with a cable modem stuck on
[21:04] <ikonia-remote_> but it sounds great
[21:04] <ikonia-remote_> I'll interface with the superhub right now.....
[21:04] <popey> :D
[21:04] <ikonia-remote_> the superhub is negotiating protocols for me
[21:04] <popey> i dont have too many issues with it
[21:04] <popey> needs a reboot now and then
[21:05] <ikonia-remote_> what doesn't
[21:05] <bigcalm_lappy> I on the other hand
[21:05] <bigcalm_lappy> Lots of problems and on my 2nd superhub
[21:06] <j0nr> popey: ikonia-remote_ thanks again. Have emailled them the info
[21:06] <bigcalm_lappy> Could partly be due to the state of the old cable network in my area
[21:06] <popey> j0nr: good luck
[21:06] <j0nr> popey cheers
[21:06] <ikonia-remote_> popey: beat me to it "ditto"
[21:06] <j0nr> ta
[21:06] <ikonia-remote_> in a Patrick Swayze style
[21:06] <popey> hahah
[21:07]  * bigcalm_lappy shudders
[21:07] <bigcalm_lappy> I saw Donny Darko before I saw PS in any other film
[21:07] <bigcalm_lappy> So I will always see him as a pedofile :(
[21:08] <ikonia-remote_> he wasn't exactly on clean ground in Dirty Dancing with "baby"
[21:08] <bigcalm_lappy> Which is a shame
[21:08] <ikonia-remote_> 40 year old man with a 16 year old girl
[21:08] <ikonia-remote_> safe ground in ghost and point break
[21:12] <bigcalm_lappy> !ping
[21:12] <ikonia-remote_> I wonder what terrible quality film with subtitles awaits me tonight
[21:12] <ikonia-remote_> so far I've had "the terminal" "white chicks" "some cop thing I missed the start of"
[21:12]  * popey is rewatching doctor who ready for the weekend
[21:13] <ikonia-remote_> with about 1000 adverts in each
[21:13] <bigcalm_lappy> This weekend eh?
[21:13] <popey> ya
[21:13] <popey> saturday
[21:13] <ikonia-remote_> rats
[21:13] <popey> ikonia-remote_: how long you away for?
[21:13] <bigcalm_lappy> And when is Sherlock?
[21:13] <popey> dunno
[21:13] <ikonia-remote_> back on the 5th
[21:13] <bigcalm_lappy> How about Dirk Gently?
[21:13] <ikonia-remote_> maybe the 2nd if I get bored too quickly
[21:14] <ikonia-remote_> popey: can you resend that please, I closed the window by accident
[21:20] <zleap> hi
[21:20] <popey> lo
[21:21] <zleap> when i right click on a iso file to write to cd is there a way to set the burn speed to a default, i keep having to changer it from max speed to 16x  it would be useful if it could remember or be set
[21:21] <popey> pass
[21:21] <zleap> ok
[21:21] <zleap> would this make a useful feature though
[21:23] <ikonia-remote_> pretty obsolete these days
[21:23] <ikonia-remote_> rare you can't burn something at full speed
[21:23] <zleap> what is
[21:23] <bigcalm_lappy> The media inserted may have different write speeds from other media. So defaulting to the max speed makes sense
[21:24] <zleap> i have had issues burning at max speed
[21:24] <zleap> ok a way for the user to overwrite the max speed default then
[21:24] <zleap> for their specific computer or set up
[21:25] <bigcalm_lappy> Not sure that there is one
[21:25] <bigcalm_lappy> I don't even know which package holds the burning code. Might be naulitus for all I know
[21:25] <ikonia-remote_> you can certainly do it from the actual tools, eg: cdrecord
[21:25] <zleap> ok
[21:26] <ikonia-remote_> however from the right click menu, no chance, and is it really a good thing to add, not really in my view, I think it's obsolete
[21:26] <zleap> it my end up being on of those rarely used featured
[21:26] <zleap> ok thanks
[21:26] <zleap> my = may
[21:27] <zleap> maybe my dvd burner is just older,
[21:27] <ikonia-remote_> maybe on the way out
[21:28] <zleap> i am looking at a new system from ebuyer anyway which doesn't even have a cd or dvd drive
[21:28] <ikonia-remote_> I'm surprised how many I go through
[21:28] <zleap> one of those e-machine things,  thin with usb ports etc
[21:28] <zleap> so i can add a new external one if need be
[21:29]  * zleap is downloading sme server
[21:29] <ikonia-remote_> those external ones don't always work well for installs, be warned
[21:29] <ikonia-remote_> linux installs I should say
[21:30] <zleap> i can use a usb stick for the install
[21:30] <zleap> as i need both  currnet pc with data on it, then use that to create install media,  then from that install on new pc
[21:36] <ikonia-remote_> just realised it's 10:30 in the UK, no wonder it's quiet
[21:36] <zleap> lol,
[21:36] <zleap> well i am uk based
[21:55] <zleap> hi
[22:15] <bigcalm> popey: can you give me a snap shot of mtr mail.google.com ?
[22:15] <bigcalm> I'm getting major packet loss all along the route
[22:15] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/674860/
[22:16] <ikonia-remote_> popey: please tell me wopr is yours
[22:16] <popey> yes
[22:16] <popey> the desktop
[22:16] <popey> my computers are all named after computers from science fiction
[22:17] <ikonia-remote_> you have wopr obviously, what else
[22:17] <popey> wopr, bishop (alien), hactar (hhgttg), ash (alien)
[22:17] <popey> i have been slack actually, recently naming things "ubuntuserver" ☹
[22:18] <ikonia-remote_> poor show
[22:18] <ikonia-remote_> I have hal and lcars
[22:18] <ikonia-remote_> no gibson ?
[22:19] <ikonia-remote_> a man like you must have a gibson
[22:19] <stgraber> I usually go with StarGate planets, they have a pretty huge list of them and even planned for DHCP allocation P3X-<last-byte-of-ip> P4X-<last-byte-of-ip> :)
[22:20] <ikonia-remote_> stargate......please
[22:20] <mgdm> popey: I don't remember Hactar. I clearly need to re-read
[22:20] <ikonia-remote_> I need to check out hactar too
[22:20] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/674864/
[22:21] <bigcalm> I have boring names
[22:21] <mgdm> Mine are mostly Firefly-related
[22:21] <mgdm> though I've taken to Jovian moons for some reason
[22:21] <stgraber> hactar is in the third book of the hhgttg, re-read it last week :)
[22:23] <ikonia-remote_> I want to meet the person using Harry Potter names
[22:23] <ikonia-remote_> I need to know who I should put on /ignore
[22:26] <diplo-> evening all
[22:26] <popey> hehe stgraber :D
[22:26] <Kirrus> ikonia-remote_, some of our internal servers are HP quiditch themed. We have a snitch and a bludger. Our next backup server will be called Quafflebak..
[22:27] <Kirrus> (snitch, monitoring)
[22:27] <ikonia-remote_> Kirrus: as long as you are publicly shamed, that's fine
[22:27] <Kirrus> :P
[22:27] <ikonia-remote_> call one "ron" and make it a background server that offers no real use
[22:27] <Kirrus> None of them were my choice.. well, except quafflebak, but that's fun anyway cos of the beer-usage
[22:28] <ikonia-remote> almost time for the taxi ride of doom
[22:37] <diplo-> How can i find out what speed a usb device connected is from CLI ?
[22:38] <penguin42> lsusb -v
[22:38] <diplo-> aha, had tried lsusb
[22:38] <diplo-> thanks
[22:39] <diplo-> bcdUSB ?
[22:40] <diplo-> Seems so
[22:41]  * penguin42 hits dist-upgrade on his mail server vm and hopes for the best
[22:43] <diplo-> heh
[22:44] <penguin42> hmm hth am I supposed to know which CA certs to trust....
[22:56] <freakyclown> gah nanode question - how do i send a single packet with specific data to a specific port/ip
[22:56] <popey> freakyclown: try #nanode?
[22:56] <popey> ken is in there
[22:57] <popey> monsonite
[22:57] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/674892/ i just found this in the symbian source code. lol
[22:58] <ali1234> they test their email database with emails released during enron litigation
[22:59] <ikonia-remote> I like that
[22:59] <ikonia-remote> I did research on Enron's failure as it interested me, so this ammuses me
[23:00] <ali1234> presumably the whole archive is publicly available. nothing beats testing with real data.
[23:00] <ikonia-remote> nothing beats enron.......
[23:02] <ikonia-remote> night guys
[23:10] <penguin42> hmm promising - it can deliver mail to me
[23:13] <penguin42> youch, I really should clear that out: drwxr-sr-x 2 dg staff 11608064 Aug 25 23:39 texts