[00:21] find the datasheet for the chip [00:21] that will reveal all [06:59] lo [06:59] Morning [07:10] * daubers puts the kettle on branches some code and makes some cocoa pops [07:22] makes cocoa pops? You have zeee recipe?!?! [07:22] :P [07:28] diplo: Easiest recipe of all. 1. Open box, 2. Pour in bowl, 3. add milk, 4. Nom nom nom nom nom nom [07:28] :o [07:29] Really don't know how people have chocolate cereals, especially early morning [07:29] My kids love them [07:31] mine too [07:32] they prefer chocolate croissants [07:35] yeah really anything with a hint of chocolate goes down well [07:35] :( [07:35] Bad dad! [07:37] \o/ Cocoa pops are a treat for me these days [07:37] Normally eat either toast or weetabix type stuffs [07:39] * daubers ponders where that pesky struct definition is hiding [07:39] lo all [07:40] morning midmandle [07:50] hello all [07:52] hahah http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/25/alleged-hp-touchpad-running-android-appears-can-be-yours-on-eba/ [08:09] heh just saw that myself popey [08:09] Be good if it is legit, save a lot of dev time [08:09] i like the claims that its fake [08:10] yeah.. quite understandable if qualcomm were testing it under android, especially if they heard from HP that it may be dropped [08:10] Good morning, everyone! [08:10] pondering taking my usb dongle and wifi access point on holiday :D [08:19] i'd do it [08:19] I'd just take the dongle and a netbook, start a network from there. [08:20] tethering is allowed on my t-mob contract so i do that instead [08:21] dwatkins: i have already put openwrt on a router, so its all ready to go :D [08:21] just plug it in [08:22] popey: nice :) I'm considering getting a Linksys for Tomato fun [08:22] How does it connect to the dongle, popey? [08:23] usb port [08:23] oh nice, which model of router? [08:23] netgear wndr3700 [08:24] cheers, will have a look into that [08:39] yay Laney [08:40] Hello peeps [08:41] hullo [08:47] ???????? [08:47] DMB mail [08:48] oh yar darling [08:48] :) === denny- is now known as denny [08:57] It's weird that it feels like Monday because I had yesterday off sick. 2 Mondays in one week, woe is me [08:58] Could be worse.. you could have had tuesday and thursday off, and so had a week of mondays.. [08:59] Anyone use dvgrab in here ? [08:59] Very new to video [09:00] diplo: yes [09:01] Any tips, I have got an old Sharp Tape camcorder from my dad, he has never copied captures from tapes [09:01] Want to create him a dvd [09:01] So using dvgrab to take footage off [09:01] Seems to split into 1GB files when I save in dv [09:02] Just googling for some examples atm, but thought I'd ask to see what people in here use [09:02] yes, it does that [09:03] you can load them into openshot or another editor and then export the whole thing as something else [09:03] Cool, just installed openshot, will give it another try now [09:04] one of the kde apps is good for dv capture. [09:04] kino or kdenlive , can't remember which [09:05] yeah kino i keep seeing [09:05] but i didn't use it for editing. openshot or pitivi ..kino kept crashing [09:07] dvgrab seems to be working fairly well, going to experiment [09:07] Trying autosplit now so it's ready to be used directly in openshot without me cutting it [09:07] All new to me [09:07] :) [09:08] AlanBell, --size 0 stops the default 1gb limit fyi [09:10] nice [09:11] Seems my fathers camera skills aren't that great :D [09:12] wGAHHHHHHH [09:13] Commenting a structure with just it's own name IS NOT HELPFUL [09:13] although ginormous files loaded into the app might increase tendency to crash :P [09:14] Seems most files are 200mb each with autosplit set [09:29] MartijnVdS: Oh, my sister tried to use her MP3 player again today... after I'd created that file yesterday... and still no joy... [09:29] HazRPG: you might need to run something on those files to generate the udev rules [09:29] MartijnVdS: ah [09:29] MartijnVdS: *shrug* [09:29] HazRPG: check out the source of the music-player-info package (media-player-info?) and see what it does on build [09:29] HazRPG: also, file that bug :) [09:32] MartijnVdS: I shall :) [09:42] good morning everyone. [09:43] Yes, it is! [09:43] yes. [09:43] rather wet here [09:43] dry here. [09:44] Indoors here. [09:44] same. [09:44] Just ordered a little RGB LED kit so I can do this: http://blog.thiseldo.co.uk/?p=574 [09:45] the view from my window is so grey today it reminds me of when i visited communist russia [09:45] :D [09:48] sunnyhere! :P [09:48] * Hippychick steals gord's sun [09:48] We only get rain here :( [09:49] blimey i've just noticed, it's quite sunny here too :S [09:49] drizzle here - but clearing by the looks of it. [09:49] * bigcalm enjoys the sun while he can [09:49] * Hippychick steals MooDoo's sun too [09:50] It's taking the edge off the oggflu [09:50] i want sun!! its tipping it down here :( [09:50] oggcamp..where the only viruses you get are human ones... [09:50] bigcalm: "oggflu"? [09:51] i wonder how many touchpads we would have seen if oggcamp was next weekend :D [09:52] *NO STEALING THE SUN* [09:52] * MartijnVdS steals gord's thunder instead [09:52] * brobostigon steals someones mental stability. [09:52] brobostigon: What would you want with THAT?! ) [09:53] :) [09:53] MartijnVdS: enhancing my own. :) [09:54] urgh [09:54] I _hate_ samba [09:54] daubers: I maintain that it's mostly there to piss people off [09:57] A parcel has arrived at work for me [09:57] i am not there [09:58] I said co-workers could open it. this may not have been wise [09:58] popey, is it an invite for you to take over from Steve jobs. [09:58] a new toy? [09:58] It must be [09:58] is it a graze box? [09:58] BigRedS: I'm trying to understand how to build a VFS module, can't get the blasted things to poxy build :( [09:58] morning all [09:58] popey: more of a demand I think :) [09:58] gord, I failed last night on my plugin :( [09:58] Even their "example" doesn't build [09:59] But found some good documentation for debugging today [09:59] oimon: how's your tablet now? [09:59] So v2 tonight [09:59] TheOpenSourcerer: oggflu is the bug that a few people picked up from oggcamp [09:59] davmor2: getting on OK.. played with it last night as i watched the footy [09:59] Got to say xbmc wiki is very good, lots of good info [09:59] very nice for reading books, pdf, and web browsing [10:00] bigcalm, I used to go to Multiplay I Series events, we all used to get I Flu or some other variant whilst we were there [10:00] i'm missing certain android apps, especially dedicated email [10:00] oimon: are you liking it a bit more now more to the point :) [10:00] I found a fix [10:00] Eat healthy whilst away and you don't suffer [10:00] davmor2: yes :) [10:00] the facebook app is amazing, have you seen the newspaper layout mode? [10:01] its a book [10:02] co-worker took a picture of it, I suspect he used word lens [10:02] Spanish? :D [10:02] the title is "ODIDRA SCITOBOR" [10:02] no the free version [10:02] Didn't know there was a free version [10:04] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Arduino-Robotics-John-David-Warren/dp/1430231831/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314266658&sr=8-1 [10:04] i didnt order that [10:04] dunno why I have a copy on my des [10:04] +k [10:04] check out the optional newspaper view of facebook http://ubuntuone.com/p/1Ck1/ [10:05] thats quite cute [10:05] * popey notes there is no facebook app for ipad [10:05] orly? [10:05] YA RLY [10:06] there's no g+ app or other google apps for TP /webos [10:06] but the web browser works and the OS multitasks well so it's ok [10:07] flash support is great [10:10] * oimon thinks popey has a secret admirer [10:12] going through the TV setup menu the other day and noticed it was running linux :D [10:13] -> http://www.am-linux.jp/ [10:15] sky boxes run Linux too [10:15] :) [10:15] yes. [10:15] they did an over the air upgrade from BSD to Linux [10:15] Busybox isn't it ? [10:15] * daubers breaks down [10:16] I would *not* like to be the person pressing the release button on that one [10:16] So, I think no-one in the entire world knows how to make samba VFS modules anymore [10:17] daubers: #samba-technical [10:18] oimon: thing is that it came to my work address [10:18] they didn't want your wife to know :) [10:18] robot love [10:18] :D [10:18] well, more, how did they know my work address [10:19] AlanBell: The place questions go unanswered even if you ask 2 or three times a week [10:19] oh :( [10:19] AlanBell: #samba just point me there too [10:20] I also have a feeling that debian/ubuntu are packaging up the wrong examples for the current samba release [10:28] bigcalm, you are the one with the superhub aren't you ? [10:29] o/ and me [10:29] diplo: I am one of the unfortunate, yes [10:29] haha [10:29] VM Preps firmware update for Glitchy superhub post on the register [10:29] Ooooo [10:29] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/25/virgin_media_superhub_update/ [10:29] Sorry didn't link, looking on my other machine [10:30] There is a beta community.. maybe worth joining :) [10:31] I'd rather not :D [10:34] Aye [10:34] Things improved when the hub was replaced [10:35] interesting post on gnome planet about echo cancellation in pulse audio http://arunraghavan.net/2011/08/hello-hello-hello/ [10:36] GAHHHH [10:41] Finally found some useful docs, but the examples don't match up to what the docs are saying and bits of the docs talk about things that no longer exist [10:51] AlanBell, i thought sky boxes ran vxworks [10:55] some might, my sky+HD box is running Linux [10:56] do they distribute source? [10:56] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40369 [10:56] Freedesktop bug 40369 in New device "New devices - HP Pre 3, HP Touchpad" [Normal,New] [10:56] oimon, http://www1.sky.com/opensourcesoftware/SkyHD/opensourcesoftwaredownloads.html [11:02] Does anyone know anyone on the samba project who actually gives a damn? [11:09] they did a release 2 days ago so it is an active project [11:09] http://samba.org/samba/history/samba-3.4.15.html [11:12] Setting up samba was always a bit of a nightmare for me as there are so many possibilities. [11:13] All I wanted was LDAP integration, but it wasn't easy. [11:13] When I finally got it to work, NMB would end up randomly using 100% of cpu after a few days. [11:14] well, emulating windows software is a recipe for fail [11:15] (NOTE: THIS IS A JOKE) [11:15] directhex: I appreciate your comment, yes [11:18] !ping [11:18] another contentless ping... sigh... [11:18] I !ping boo [11:19] ldap integration and samba works fine for me, we have it on multiple servers [11:32] hi... Can anybody help me on 11.04 with the 5.1 surround? I can't make it work..:( [11:33] Chrisu: how is your 5.1 system connected? [11:34] Chrisu: HDMI, S/PDIF (digital), or several analog cables? [11:34] Chrisu: crossposting on several channels is a bit boring [11:34] Myrtti: Not everyone is on multiple channels though [11:34] its a cable with 2 jacks black and yellow at one end (goes in the system) and at the other end is Jack like a headphone (goes in the PC) [11:35] MartijnVdS: no, but if you're given an advice X on channel Y and advice N on channel M, it gets difficult to follow and you might get contradicting advice [11:35] Myrtti: true [11:35] MartijnVdS: also, many people ARE on multiple channels [11:36] Chrisu: sounds like you only have a single (stereo) analog cable then [11:36] Chrisu: you won't get 5.1 out of that. [11:36] It's ok guys... I just posted on multiple channels hoping that sombody wich is not on all channels that knows will help me. [11:36] MartijnVdS: Oh... then what cable do I need? :-s [11:38] Chrisu: several of those cables (one per 2 channels), or if your machine supports it: an optical cable or a coaxial ("s/pdif") cable [11:38] well.. i only got slots for microphone jack, out and in. [11:38] in my PC [11:39] Chrisu: sometimes those switch to extra output ports if you select "analog surround" in the sound preferences screen [11:39] Chrisu: but you'd have to read your PC (mainboard) manual to be sure [11:40] umm.. ok well thanks alot... [11:40] Chrisu: what makes you think your computer can output 5.1? [11:41] Nothing. lol [11:41] is there a sticker on it or something? [11:41] Chrisu: if it has HDMI out, you could probably use that, if your system supports it [11:41] I don't know if it can. [11:41] ah :) [11:41] I don't have a HDMI cable lol [11:41] ok then.. no 5.1 for me xD [11:42] probably not :( [11:42] :(.. thanks guys [11:43] lo [11:45] oh shotwell, how I hate thee [11:46] the damned thing reimported all 200 photos from OggCamp that I had removed from the library view because they were blurry and not up the scratch [11:47] STUPID ARGHHHHH [11:49] i struggle to find anything as good as picasa [11:51] picasa is horrible with raw shots [11:51] but it's pretty damn good with everything else [11:51] except I shoot in raw 99% of the time [11:52] I really like adobe lightroom. please don't hurt me. [11:53] I don't like Picasa myself because I think that the online storage of Picasa is vastly inferior to Flickr. [11:54] latest version of digikam seems very difficult to use IMHO [11:54] not sure why picasa was never open sourced [11:56] oimon: Probably a library thing. Or a patent thing [12:01] or a patent library thing [12:06] i quite like picassa for backing up my raw images, but not for much else [12:12] picasa has enough editing capability to tweak photos without requiring gimp etc. shotwell is lacking in this area [12:14] I only tweak in ufraw anyway [12:14] wow, kindle books are more ££ than you would pay 2nd hand [12:15] oimon: some kindle books are more expensive than the paper versions [12:15] obscene [12:15] and dumb [12:15] oimon: same problem as mp3s/music rights [12:15] Piracy is rampant in ebooks alreadt [12:15] already* [12:15] however, it's easy to rip a cd, the only book ripping that i can do is to hand it to my 1 yr old child [12:16] They have screwed themselve when they had the best idea of how to start [12:16] oimon, loads of dedicated piracy sites for ebooks already [12:17] I know someone who has 1000+ already [12:17] i don't believe in pirating, i just want it to be fair [12:17] He also owns a lot of the books he has [12:17] He has replaced a lot of them for his ereader [12:17] But won't buy ebooks because of the cost of them, still buys paper backs as well [12:17] Need some eyeballs… mine are obviously too stressed to see something obvious [12:18] can anyone see anything immediately wrong with this? http://pastebin.com/P9z48Zig getting the error "modules/matt_test.c:89:21: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘mt_op_tuple’" [12:18] he's still breaking the law, however he justifies it though [12:18] He knows that [12:18] if piracy is already rife, paperback books should come with a one time link to download a personal copy [12:19] Totally agree oimon, like movie people are putting a copy of a digital movie on dvd's / blurays now [12:19] i bought a dvd and apparently it also has a 2nd disk for "digital copy", which is some drm nonsense that does't work on any device i own [12:19] If people are going to pirate they will, but if they can get copies of stuff in digital as well why not [12:20] lol, I've never tried any of mine [12:20] so the dvd was a nice iea, but a complete fail [12:20] I rip the dvd and re-encode myself [12:20] the "digital copy" won't work on my android, touchpad or ubuntu [12:21] They just dont get it do they.. or the games companies [12:21] DRM etc doesn't stop anyone [12:21] Just annoys the people who want to buy stuff [12:22] I also never buy movies brand new, always wait a few months and get it a lot cheaper [12:22] Or with music, I buy pre release to get cheap offers [12:22] on another subject, box.net gave me 50GB free space with the TP :D [12:23] Another thing that annoys me, bought Lissie album after seeing her at Hard Rock Calling, downloaded off amazon and noticed it was only 128k :/ [12:23] Blimey, nice [12:23] A year subscription ? [12:23] oimon: shotwell is still better than some photobrowsing apps tho [12:24] Myrtti: agree, hope it continues to improve [12:24] diplo: seems that it's permanent [12:24] need confirmation of that thoug [12:24] I'm on the verge of venting my soul to Flickr developers [12:25] ? [12:26] diplo: 50gb for life :D [12:26] worth about $200 per year [12:26] bloody hell, that's good! [12:27] mind, 50GB won't be much in ~5 years [12:28] woot, got UI freeze out of the way :) just focusing on unity bugs and performance the rest of the cycle [12:29] MartijnVdS: nor will the touchpad, but it's a great way of extending the storage and transferring files to the device [12:36] hm, they finally came up with a patch for my dvdr bug; but I no longer have a drive installed. wondering if I can be bothered get the screwdrivers out this weekend 'n see what it does :/ [12:38] daubers: saw your blog post. could be useful! e.g. for sending footie/cricket score updates [12:39] or sending adapted "fortune" messages [12:58] oimon: Oh, yeah :) There's some python api stuff for lib notify that would be a good place to start [12:58] oimon: Was going to use it with matt for some stuffs [13:01] do kindles read epub format? [13:01] oimon: only after conversion [13:01] oimon: I don't think so, I've looked into that because most of my books are in epub format, but I'm fairly sure it doesn'r read them [13:01] wow, sucks [13:02] oimon: You can convert them using calibre though [13:02] is epub generally the best format to go for, for future proofing? [13:02] pdf! [13:03] reading pdf on a tablet is nice but they don't reflow when you zoom [13:03] txt [13:03] jpg [13:03] tiff [13:04] are you guys in the pub? [13:04] i wish [13:04] "when helping, be helpful" [13:04] i would buy directhex a beer if I was. [13:04] haha [13:04] [Paul Mellors] Flattr - http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/08/flattr.html [13:04] the ePub! [13:04] ISWYDT [13:05] are there other authors like cory doctorow who release their books free and are worth reading? [13:05] yes, there's this dude who has made quite a few popular books [13:05] sh [13:05] shakey [13:05] something like that [13:05] meh [13:05] William Shakespear! [13:06] thats it [13:06] he's lame [13:06] shakin stevens [13:06] can't even write english properly [13:06] my question refers to contemporary fiction [13:08] popey: Shakey he sang behind the green door right? [13:08] You'd know mister 80's [13:08] random C question of the day! If I have a pointer to a pointer to a struct, how can I access the members of the struct? so some_struct **x and I want to do x->y [13:08] daubers: (*bar)->foo [13:08] green door was a cover though [13:08] MartijnVdS: ta [13:09] popey: I'm very proud of the fact that I enjoy music you can hear the lyrics of thank you very much :P [13:09] * popey hands davmor2 an ear trumpet [13:10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkXMEoGDLm4 made me smile [13:10] get off the grass, these young whipper snappers [13:10] but then I am nasty like that [13:10] popey: that's hilarious [13:12] popey: that vid requires flash [13:13] I thought you'd given up flash [13:13] on my own machines, yeah :D [13:13] cmrtaco has resigned from slashdot [13:13] haha [13:13] same day as jobs resigned from the legal company [13:13] http://meta.slashdot.org/story/11/08/25/1245200/Rob-CmdrTaco-Malda-Resigns-From-Slashdot [13:14] i never read /. these days [13:14] haven't for years [13:15] when i scan my twitter feed, i discover that the only links i've clicked are /. stories [13:16] some guys on #touchpad have been to best buy (in the US) today and got touchpads. maybe more for the UK? [13:19] yeah, I hardly ever actually visit the /. frontpage itself, but hit most of the links on their twitter feed [13:23] urgh! looking in my bag and i cant find any usb sticks... all k can find are 3g dongles! [13:25] * daubers makes moar coffee [13:27] * oimon has 4 usb sticks in his pocket [13:37] thanks for reminding me, oimon - I need to check out what's on my 8 GB stick. [13:37] woot, someones found the patch set that changed vast amounts of the samba vfs stuff and, importantly, the patches didn't changes the docs :( [13:38] btw how do i relabel a disk that gets mounted as /media/12394090i3902=1-30=1-230 [13:39] oimon: using the disk utility (palimpsest) is easiest [13:40] thanks MartijnVdS [13:41] that was easy [13:56] palimpsest has the silliest name of any application [13:56] considerably sillier than the gimp [13:56] "A palimpsest is a manuscript page from a scroll or book from which the text has been scraped off and which can be used again" [13:56] you could argue hard disks work like that ;) [13:57] i call it pal-tab [13:57] baobab is another bad name, [13:57] vinagre, vino [13:58] baobab reminds me of the little prince [14:00] Mez: I don't think I'm going to be able to make it tonight at least not before everything is over :( A bunch are looking to come from the northampton group though I brought it up there for you too :) I hope it all goes well for you :) [14:17] Special: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiySKuVs2fI [14:30] * AlanBell stares in astonishment at bug 764905 [14:30] Launchpad bug 764905 in unity "Drag and drop a USB key into the trash should eject the USB key" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764905 [14:30] oh dear AlanBell [14:31] AlanBell, user testing is always enlightening :) [14:35] I think that user failed the test [14:36] well thats kinda the fun thing, we ain't testing the users, they are testing the design [14:36] yeah, I get that. Just wish they had time to sober up first. [14:38] well you say that now, but when your drunk and using your computer in the future, you'll be a genius [14:38] I am pretty astonished that the applications lens got through user testing [14:40] people do pretty well with it, everyone knows google so they put what they were after into the search box and there it is [14:40] Well, and there it might be [14:40] if you type it then yes [14:40] Pointedly, google never silently fails... [14:41] popey, is this the Microserver you have ? [14:41] http://www.ebuyer.com/253305-hp-proliant-athlon-ii-neo-n36l-microserver-100-cashback-633724-421 [14:41] AlanBell: bug 765905 is quite fun isnt it. [14:41] Launchpad bug 765905 in writerperfect (Ubuntu Oneiric) "writerperfect version 0.8.0-1 failed to build on i386" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/765905 [14:41] yes diplo [14:41] df [14:41] if I want to see what applications I have got for working with graphics then no [14:41] not that bug [14:41] Cool, new Credit card turned up so ordering now [14:41] :) [14:42] gord: so what I want is a lens that shows me *all* the applications I have, grouped by category [14:42] AlanBell: like a menu? :) [14:42] like the gnome menu does [14:42] heh [14:42] beat me to it [14:42] http://www.ebuyer.com/search?page=1&store=33&cat=392&filterca76=2000 <-- Any recommendations people ? Going to be a NAS predominantly, quiet would be good [14:42]