[00:00] <Daskreech> newWorldX: Which country is that?
[00:00] <Daskreech> You can probably getsome from MIT's open courseware
[00:00] <newWorldX> Turkey
[00:00] <newWorldX> mit has ethical hacking coursewares for free
[00:00] <newWorldX> ?
[00:00] <Daskreech> I think so
[00:00] <newWorldX> or open to non students
[00:00] <newWorldX> ?
[00:00] <newWorldX> where are u located
[00:00] <newWorldX> ?
[00:00] <FloodBotK1> newWorldX: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:02] <newWorldX> Daskreech please any ideas where on the site I can get them from please
[00:02] <newWorldX> ?
[00:02] <Daskreech> Hold on
[00:02] <newWorldX> Daskreech: please any ideas where on the site I can get them from please
[00:02] <newWorldX> okay
[00:02] <newWorldX> thanks
[00:04] <Daskreech> http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/
[00:04] <Daskreech> They have on ethics, legal, network and computer security
[00:35] <newWorldX> Daskreech: thanks
[00:35] <newWorldX> so where are you at
[00:35] <newWorldX> ?
[00:35] <Daskreech> newWorldX: Jamaica
[00:36] <newWorldX> Daskreech: thats quiet far so whats your feild?
[00:36] <newWorldX> field*
[00:36] <newWorldX> ?
[00:36] <Daskreech> Programming
[00:36] <newWorldX> okay
[00:36] <newWorldX> please tell me you have a security cert
[00:38] <newWorldX> did not really get books on ethical hacking
[00:39] <newWorldX> Daskreech: because I am thinking of sitting for a certification examination soon. Really would want to have a good background in the field
[00:43] <Daskreech> newWorldX: No I don't
[00:56] <Firefishe> I have a new install of kubuntu 11.04.  I am having terrible problems with X and the nvidia-current (proprietary) driver, both 173 and the 'recommended' one.  Under certain conditions, when I resize konsole, that action causes the entire computer to freeze, forcing me to hard-reboot.  Is this a known problem?
[00:57] <newWorldX> Ethical hackers in here please!!!
[01:03] <SubCool> can somone help me install kubuntu onto a USB? I would like to run linu FROM the USB
[01:03] <bazhang> !ot | newWorldX
[01:03] <bazhang> SubCool, use unetbootin
[01:04] <SubCool> i think i have heard of that..
[01:04] <SubCool> i just used to startup-disk creator. what a pain..
[01:05] <SubCool> is there a guide i can use? To setup admin and such?
[01:18] <SubCool> can anyone point me in towards any advice for running Kubuntu off of the USB drive? Everything i come across brings up the LIVE USB, but the live usb really doesnt last long when being used as an operating system.
[01:19] <bazhang> !usb | SubCool check the last link
[01:22] <SubCool> just brings me back to Unetbootin
[01:22] <SubCool> although there are some nice text based walkthroughs that are very confusing.
[01:31] <SubCool> haha- this is surprisingly hard.
[02:09] <SubCool> ok, the ubuntu guys arent helping.. um- after creating a USB Kubuntu with unetbootin, do i HAVE to reboot the system for which i created the USB on?
[02:09] <arden> Anyone here working with LinuxMCE-rc1 ?
[02:12] <claydoh> SubCool: yes
[02:12] <claydoh> but using unetootin, it is still the same as a livecd
[02:13] <SubCool> right, but will the unetbootin allow me to use it like a normal install?
[02:13] <claydoh>  no
[02:13] <bazhang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent  SubCool I directed you to this link earlier
[02:14] <bazhang> SubCool, and you are crossposting, getting answers in both channels, please dont
[02:14] <claydoh> SubCool: if you have a larger flash drive, and use usb-creator, it can create the persistence file system as bazhang mentions
[02:14] <SubCool> i wasnt getting answers in either..
[02:14] <bazhang> SubCool, I personally have answered you in both, so yes you were
[02:14] <SubCool> and im still having issues..
[02:15] <SubCool> ya, but with the same answer.. im running intot he same problem
[02:15] <claydoh> SubCool: that way any settings you edit/create stay around for the next boot
[02:15] <SubCool> im looking for more answers
[02:15] <SIR_Taco> oh... this is fun... where's my popcorn?
[02:15] <bazhang> then read the link as I suggested some time ago
[02:15] <SubCool> I have viewed the link
[02:15] <SubCool> all the way to the bottom
[02:15] <SIR_Taco> viewed = read?
[02:15] <SubCool> most of the guides are out dated, or not for the use i am intending
[02:16] <SubCool> the end goes on to the same thign as the unetboot
[02:16] <SubCool> but, after installing it- for the second time; i am trying to make sure i dont mess anything up... since the first instance didnt work
[02:16] <SubCool> while doing that- i am asking some normal questions to make sure im not wasting my time.
[02:17] <SubCool> ah ha- for instance, THIS tie i have a unetbootin menu. Last time i only got "default"
[02:19] <SIR_Taco> why not just use the "create usb image" option?
[02:20] <SubCool> i have, multiple times. It works for the first couple runs, but after updating it- it usually crashes
[02:21] <SubCool> kinda the otherpart of my bothersome messages. Im trying to use this as a reusable boot drive with files i can keep on hand Like BitDefender. But every time i crate a bootable liveUSB, something updates and kills the jump drive.
[02:21] <SIR_Taco> SubCool: ok, maybe we're talking about two different things.... I mean in Kubuntu (and Ubuntu as far as I know) there is an option to create a USB stick image...
[02:22] <SubCool> ya, i usually use that
[02:22] <SIR_Taco> And the kubuntu USB image option works?
[02:23] <SubCool> um- liveUSB creator? ya..
[02:23] <SIR_Taco> SubCool: ok.... so what's the problem?
[02:25] <SubCool> well, keeping a persistant bootable drive without failure. i just setup a user/pass - set the root password.. and about to update it. Lets see if it works.
[02:25] <bazhang> there is not a root password SubCool
[02:26] <SubCool> now there is
[02:26] <SubCool> atleast one i know. That is usually anotre problem. Attempting to install programs without knowing the default root password
[02:26] <SubCool> and enter nothing when it prompts doesnt work
[02:26] <bazhang> thats what sudo is for
[02:27] <SubCool> ya,
[02:27] <SubCool> that
[02:27] <bazhang> there is zero reason to ever set a root password
[02:27] <SubCool> ::shrugs::
[02:28] <SubCool> every time i install/update things, and not have a Sudo password or some type of password, when i reboot- im locked out
[02:30] <SIR_Taco> ok... I don't know how to put this other than: unetbootin, is not a part of any distribution that I know of, it is also thus not supported by any distribution I know of... perhaps you should ask the people that make it?
[02:31] <bazhang> !info unetbootin
[02:31] <AlexZion> hi everyone, how can I check the GPU I'm running right now  !?!, I'm trying to configure my new laptop ...
[02:31] <bazhang> SIR_Taco, see above
[02:32] <SIR_Taco> I stand corrected
[02:33] <SubCool> SIR_Taco, its not really a netboot - blah. its particulars that are involved in Kubuntu. Settings, and such.
[02:35] <SubCool> lets see how this goes, i just setup a userPW, rootPW, bitdefender, and a system update.
[02:37] <bazhang> bitdefender?
[02:38] <bazhang> sounds like a windows install
[02:38] <StepNjump> how to increase the brightness on kubuntu please
[02:39] <Daskreech> !register | newWorldX
[02:45] <SubCool> bazhang, ya, im gonna be using it to fix a few computers..
[03:10] <SubCool> point proven... - i cant get the USB to boot. lol...
[03:22] <SubCool> can i boot off a 9.04 ubuntu, and have it jump to my USB?
[03:23] <SubCool> nvm- im sure that is a hard, annoying request for what im doing..
[05:54] <aLeSD> hi all
[06:39] <tdn> I have just attached a USB mouse, however, it does not seem to work: The cursor does not move when the mouse has been inserted. The touchpad works. The mouse works fine in other computers though. How do I fix this? This is what is written in dmesg when inserting the mouse: http://paste.adora.dk/P2142.txt
[06:50] <kyubutsu> avoid crossposting
[06:50] <kyubutsu> !crossposting
[06:58] <benjamin_> hi
[08:59] <cher> Kubuntu is completely messed up after the latest X.org update.
[09:00] <cher> When I login for the first time after a reboot, the mouse no longer works. I can move the cursor, but KDE doesn't respond to mouse events. Only activating the kde menu works, but it's not even possible to run an application from the kde menu with the mouse.
[09:01] <cher> And when I do a sudo service kdm restart, the WLAN no longer works.
[09:01] <cher> This is terrible. Kubuntu has just rendered itself completely unusable for normal users that don't know to Ctrl+Alt+F1, login, export DISPLAY=:0.0 and start apps from there.
[09:02] <cher> Honestly, guys, Kubuntu has serious quality control issues!
[09:04] <cher> I guess what works is to not log into kdm at first, but first do a sudo service kdm restart, and then log into Kubuntu. Then both, mouse and WLAN should work. But guys, this can't be it!
[09:05] <cher> Now imagine I install Kubuntu on my mother's PC. What should I do? I could choose between having an insecure systems without updates, or a non-usable systems because of the poor quality which leads updates to break the system.
[09:06] <James147> cher: so far you are the only person I have seen with this problem ^^ suggesting its your setup not kubuntu... seconds, have you tried creating a new user and seeintg if its a problem for them?
[09:08] <cher> James147: I could. But I am using Linux to NOT be forced to reboot my machine every few seconds.
[09:09] <cher> James147: Also, my Setup has not changed. I ran sudo apt-get upgrade yesterday, seeing X.org was updated. Today I logged in and now I have this problem. I already did reboot, and the problem is reproducable.
[09:10] <cher> I can't even download another distro from the UI because the mouse does't work and most websites have awful keyborad control.
[09:10] <cher> And why should it be the user account anyway, if the mouse works after I did a sudo service kdm restart...
[09:12] <James147> the new user is to rukle out the user's configs as the source of the problem... and I never said anything about rebooting...
[09:13] <cher> Doesn't logging out and into a new user start a fresh instance of X?
[09:15] <cher> Anyway, I'll try. Although I'm so angry on Kubuntu that I'm seriously considering switching to LFS for servers and Open SuSE for desktops now.
[09:21] <alvin> Maybe you're missing some packages?
[09:55] <cher> Okay, I've done 40 minutes of testing now and found several new bugs.
[09:56] <cher> 1. When I create a new user using the KDE system control panel, the user's group has no name: user "testuser", uid 1001, gid 1001, but the group has no name. This was reproducable with testuser2.
[09:57] <cher> 2. Changing the groups name with the KDE system control panel does not work. I had to sudo vi /etc/group to give the group the appropriate name (name of the user).
[09:58] <cher> 3. The first time X.org runs after reboot, there is this problem that the mouse cursor moves but still the mouse does not really work. This is independent of the user: I could reproduce it with all 3 user accounts that I tried for this. I had to use a console and do sudo service kdm restart to restart kdm / KDE. After that, it always worked.
[09:58] <cher> Plus, the mouse already fails in the kdm login screen. I don't need to login a user account to see that there is this mouse issue.
[09:59] <cher> Another new bug that I've found: approximately every third reboot, after some time during startup, I guess it is when X.org starts, the system crashes, with Scroll Lock and Caps Lock blinking.
[10:00] <cher> And it is reproducable that only the first user that logs in after a reboot can use WLAN.
[10:02] <cher> 5th bug that I found just now: When I created a new user, and the new user logs in a first time, the user is forced to change the password (good). But the password change dialog does not accept any input (bad).
[10:02] <cher> I had to login on a console, or use sudo passwd username to make it possible for the new user to log in.
[10:04] <tsimpson> cher: bug reports should be on Launchpad, not IRC
[10:05] <cher> tsimpson: I was discussing this problem with James147 before.
[10:08] <tsimpson> cher: sure, but unless you actually file the bugs on Launchpad, they won't get the proper attention
[10:20] <g0th> hi
[10:20] <g0th> how do I enable nvidia 3d vision on linux?
[10:21] <g0th> I have an nvidia geforce gtx 260 card, I tried selecting 120Hz in nvidia-settings but it only shows up to 60Hz, no 120Hz to select
[10:21] <g0th> any ideas?
[10:21] <g0th> The current cables are version 1.3(b?) is this the reason 120Hz does not show up?
[10:27] <contrast> Greets, everyone... Am I missing something, or is KAlarm the *only* component in the latest release of KDE-PIM (4.7) that's capable of waking the system from sleep?
[10:31] <cher> contrast: From your question, do I guess correctly that Wake-On-LAN is not an option for you?
[10:33] <contrast> cher: well, it could be on *another* system for a completely different purpose, but yeah, that's an accurate guess (here's where i *would* love to get WOL working, since you brought it up - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11084532 :-) )
[10:37] <alvin> cher, tsimpson. Don't forget project timelord! Packaging and Ubuntu bugs go to Launchpad, all KDE stuff is for http://bugs.kde.org
[10:38] <contrast> cher: any ideas what might be causing the issue described in that link? since you brought up WOL, i'm hoping against all hope that you might be well-versed in it. :-D
[10:47] <contrast> need sleep. g'nite, everyone.
[11:56] <delight> previous versions of the dragon-player remembered the position you stoped a movie ... in 4.6 (Kubuntu 11.04) it is not. Is there a way to activate this ?
[12:23] <cuznt> !botsnack
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:59] <orated> Hi BluesKaj
[12:59] <BluesKaj> hi orated
[13:01] <orated> BluesKaj: I've a query regarding network management. http://imagebin.org/169730 . I've done ping test  and  I'm connected to IRC through same network. I've no other interface enabled. I saw in System Monitor, it reports received.sent data correctly. But only the network management is not working right.. Can you help me out?
[13:02] <james1479> orated: "connection stat: unmanaged" networkmanager isnt handleing the connection
[13:03] <orated> james1479: Yes, that is strange. I'm not able to understand that ..
[13:03] <james1479> orated: have you configured the network using anything else?
[13:03] <james1479> (ie editing /etc/network/interfaces )
[13:03] <orated> But it actually is. I've WiFi disabled and system monitor shows activity only for ethernet
[13:04] <james1479> orated: just because networkmanager isn’t handling the connection doesn’t mean it isn’t being handled
[13:06] <orated> I'm not sure. I've only tried to delete auto eth0 and made new as per required connection settings. Later, deleted that as well
[13:06] <james1479> orated: in /etc/network/interfaces?
[13:06] <orated> Sonope
[13:07] <orated> er
[13:07] <orated> nope
[13:07] <orated> james1479: What's should be default test for it?
[13:07] <orated> what*
[13:07] <orated> james1479: What should be the default text in it?
[13:09] <james1479> orated: what does yours have in it?
[13:09] <james1479> !pastebin
[13:09] <james1479> (cant remember the default settings)
[13:30] <orated> james1479: http://paste.kde.org/114535/
[13:31] <delight> somebody ??? previous versions of the dragon-player remembered the position you stoped a movie ... in 4.6 (Kubuntu 11.04) it is not. Is there a way to activate this ?
[13:31] <james1479> orated: looks like the default one to me :S ... if you deleted the config in network manager then why not add a new one?
[13:31] <orated> james1479: I deleted then added new, still the same thing
[13:46] <pune> is there a setting somewhere in KDE/kubuntu to make the interface more "draggier and droppier"?  on my other PC that is using gnome, i can drag and drop the items in the task bar and re-arrange them.  and i can drag the tabs in firefox to rearrange them.  but on the computer im at now, with kubuntu 11.04, i cant drag these things
[13:47] <BluesKaj> pune, click on the cashew in the panel on the far right, that opens it for dragging and dropping
[13:49] <james1479> pune: for the taskbar :: Right click the task bar > task manager settigns >  > change "sorting" to "Manually"
[13:49] <james1479> then you should be able to drag to rearange them
[13:50] <james1479> with firefox... i have no clue... you shouldbe able to if you can in gnome
[13:50] <pune> woot.  thanks for that
[13:50] <james1479> (I can with chrome)
[13:51] <pune> hmm.  firefox wasnt letting me do it a minute ago, but it is now after i changed the taskbar sorting.  i dont know if they were related or its just a fluke
[13:51] <pune> so 2 birds with 1 stone then :)
[13:51] <james1479> pune: they are not realted... or shouldnnt be
[13:53] <pune> ok, next question then.  when i drag a file or folder into the terminal, in every other OS ive used, it inserts the space followed by the filename.  in KDE, it just inserts the filename with no space.  any clue how to make it add that space for me?
[13:53] <pune> sorry, it should insert the filename and THEN the space
[13:54] <james1479> pune: dont think you can change that ^^ (at least I dont know where it could be)... if its really a big issue to you would can file a bug report
[13:55] <pune> which package would i file it under?
[13:56] <james1479> oooo... :) not sure, konsole I would think, that handles the dropping at least
[13:57] <james1479> pune: question is should it be added on the drag or the drop? Don't think it should be on the drag as it might mess with other programs
[13:58] <pune> i would assume its just the drop
[13:59] <james1479> pune: yeah, so I think konsole would be responsible for that (or at least the konsole kpart)
[14:12] <james1479> delight: easy or not best to file a bug report and make the whole process even simpler (kde would be allot less intuitive if no one ever filed a bug report)
[14:12] <delight> true
[14:12] <delight> at the end there are a million things to tweak to make kde more intuitive, so rich of features I love ... I think kde could do much better with better pre-settings ... be way more intuitive
[14:12] <delight> let it be part of some polishing
[14:12] <delight> or having a tool to get such configs ready and shareable would be great
[14:12] <james1479> delight: best way to get changes to happen is to file bug reports :)
[14:12] <delight> ;)
[14:12] <james1479> (or even better, file a bug report with a patch)
[14:12] <delight> hehe
[14:12] <bazhang> there are wishlist bugs as well
[14:12] <delight> well I do that, but I'm just a java/groovy dev ...
[14:12] <james1479> delight: and not doing anything will mean things dont change... :)
[14:12] <bazhang> and of course !brainstorm
[14:13] <delight> everything else is out of my range ... maybe web-dev ... thats about it
[14:13] <delight> unfortunatly
[14:13] <bazhang> which they actually read
[14:19] <pune> ok, bug report filed.  now the waiting...
[14:36] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[14:37] <krise> Hello guys
[14:38] <krise> Ineed to install tar.gz file
[14:38] <krise> ca anbody give me step by step help
[14:38] <krise> smartcard reader drivers
[14:38] <james1479> krise: linux dosnt have a concept of installing a tar.gz file ^^ its jsut a compressed archive like a .zip
[14:40] <james1479> krise: and what makes you think you need them? most smartcard readers should just work
[14:41] <krise> Hi james1479
[14:41] <krise> my reader dont work
[14:41] <krise> support guys told me o install this files
[14:41] <james1479> krise: define "dont work" ^^ what are you expecting to happen and what actually happens?
[14:42] <krise> when the reader is pluged in, the light is on bt it says no card insertedä
[14:43] <krise> card software is installed corectly
[14:43] <james1479> what exactly is telling you there is no card inserted?
[14:44] <krise> id card utility
[14:45] <krise> when im open the uility, there is big red text no cardreader conected
[14:46] <krise> card reader is cardman 1021
[14:48] <genii-around> james1479: His pastebins from yesterday: -lsusb- http://paste.ubuntu.com/674737/ and -unplug/replug reader dmesg- http://paste.ubuntu.com/674738/
[14:48] <krise> helo genii-around
[14:48] <krise> igot the card software perectly installed
[14:49] <krise> now i eed to install cardreader drivers
[14:49] <krise> i got the tar.gz file where is many files inide
[14:50] <james1479> krise: any "README" or "INSTALL" file?
[14:50] <krise> there s install ile
[14:50] <krise> file
[14:51]  * james1479 suggest reading it
[14:51] <krise> http://paste.ubuntu.com/675302/
[14:51] <krise> this comes up when i klick the install file
[14:53] <krise> http://paste.ubuntu.com/675304/
[14:53] <krise> this is readme
[14:54] <james1479> krise: then open a terminal cd to where you extracted it and run ./install
[15:00] <krise> how do i doo it?      cd/home/krise/id  ?
[15:01] <genii-around> Probably with a space between the cd and the /home/krise/id part :)
[15:02] <krise> thats better :)
[15:03] <krise> how i doomy next step
[15:03] <james1479> krise: type "./install"
[15:03] <james1479> then hit enter ^^ (without quotes)
[15:05] <krise> http://paste.ubuntu.com/675311/
[15:06] <krise> im not sure it woked
[15:06] <krise> worked
[15:06] <james1479> krise: it didnt, try "sudo ./install"
[15:07] <krise> http://paste.ubuntu.com/675314/
[15:07] <james1479> krise: now see if it works ^^
[15:08] <krise> sure it works, i got professional hlp :)
[15:09] <krise> thanks james1497 and geii-around
[15:12] <krise> only problem it dont work with chromium, only with firefox
[15:12] <krise> but thats  small problem
[15:12] <genii-around> !helpersnack | james1479
[15:13]  * james1479 waits to receive his cookie....
[15:13] <genii-around> Heh
[15:13] <james1479> genii-around: :)
[15:16] <krise> here is your cookie
[15:16] <krise> http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=175779522450131
[15:16] <james1479> http://www.facebook.com/login.php  :(
[15:17] <krise> probarly u need to be logged in
[15:18] <james1479> thats kinda hard when i dont ahve an account
[15:18] <krise> i ques so
[15:46] <BluesKaj> BBL ...
[17:39] <westlock> where does network manager store its settings?
[17:41] <genii-around> Probably .kde/share/config/networkmanagementrc
[17:42] <bulldog98> westlock: /etc/NetworkManager
[17:46] <genii-around> I always just have mine manually set in /etc/network/interfaces
[17:49] <westlock> Yeah likewise gennii-around
[17:50] <westlock> thing is I have this network manager globe on my taskbar and it is doing Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.
[17:55] <K350> On my panel it says I've 12 (!) desktiops. How do I correct this?
[18:02] <K350> According to my panel I've 12 (!) desktops. How/where do I correct this?
[18:05] <genii-around> Are you sure you don't just have the pager installed 3 times with only 4 actual desktops?
[18:05] <yofel> K350: right click on the pager -> pager settings -> virtual desktop -> number of desktops | what does that say?
[18:07] <K350> genii-around: Hm, that sounds more likely. But I've no idea. How to check?
[18:07] <K350> genii-around: ah..sorry I'm slow today:-)
[18:07] <genii-around> K350: To do as yofel requested. If only 4 actual desktops, whatever instance of the pager you do the operation on will tell you the number of desktops
[18:08] <yofel> the default should be 2, so 12 sounds a bit excessive...
[18:09] <K350> genii-around: Ok. I've 4 desktops - done in compiz - so...now I'll check the pager...
[18:32] <K350> genii-around: My desktop freezed. But it's all allright again. Logged in here again to get a chanse to thank you fro your help. Really apruciated, reallly!:-)
[18:33]  * genii-around shuffles it over to yofel
[18:44] <shane2peru> anyone know how to share a 3g usb internet connection with eth0 wired to router to share to a lan?  I found a few wireless guides, which seems more complex than a sharing through eth0
[18:58] <genii-around> !ics
[19:06] <K350> 0~/c
[19:07] <shane2peru> genii-around: thanks!!!
[19:07] <genii-around> shane2peru: You're welcome
[20:18] <SubCool> Anyone with LiveUSB-Persistence usage??
[20:22] <Daskreech> SubCool: Make space for it on the USB
[20:23] <ararama> Hi, my old system crashed and I've simply moved its hard drive to a different system. How do I get X back online? I'm now stuck on the commandline.
[20:23] <SubCool> ya, i have. but every time i make a liveusb, and setup the passwords- it craps out. if i dont setup the passwords, i get locked out after reboot
[20:23] <ararama> (no CD drive on this system either, unfortunately)
[20:24] <genii-around> The second box booted the old drive up, but to command-line?
[20:25] <ararama> genii-around: yep
[20:25] <genii-around> ararama: Can it ping an online address?
[20:25] <ararama> genii-around: networking is working fine etc. I just would like to get display back up (although it really isn't critical)
[20:26] <ararama> genii-around: yep
[20:26] <genii-around> ararama: Did you have some proprietary driver on the old box like fglrx or nvidia, which does not apply to the hardware in this box? If so maybe check the xorg.conf file
[20:27] <ararama> genii-around: possibly. There's no tool to regenerate the xorg.conf file? oslt?
[20:27] <genii-around> ararama: Alternately you could just mv it someplace
[20:27] <genii-around> Then to try sudo initctl restart kdm
[20:28] <ararama> trying now
[20:32] <ararama> genii-around: worked like a charm. Thanks :)
[20:32] <genii-around> ararama: You're welcome
[20:33] <ararama> genii-around: I don't see a regenerated xorg.conf though. Any way to save the current config?
[20:35] <Daskreech> Never tried with passwords
[20:38] <genii-around> ararama: If no X sessions are running: X -configure        will put one in the directory you run that
[20:39] <ararama> genii-around: I just restarted the box and it seems that I don't need one or that it uses the last working copy.
[20:39] <ararama> I'll leave it as it is for now. Don't fix what's not broken and so on :)
[20:39] <ararama> genii-around: Many thanks for the help!
[20:39] <genii-around> ararama: The xorg.conf is deprecated anyhow, mostly just used when specific driver needs to be used or given options
[20:43] <mashcraft> any one any good with .htaccess rewrite rules
[20:48] <g0th> hi
[20:48] <g0th> I have an nvidia geforce gtx 260, how do I enable nvidia 3d vision in kubuntu?
[20:53] <genii-around> g0th: The 3D Vision links on Nvidias site only show the Quadras as being supported : http://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro_pro_graphics_boards_linux.html
[20:55] <g0th> are you sure?
[21:01] <g0th> how do I get 120 Hz working first?
[21:01] <g0th> the signal is routed through an amplifier
[21:01] <g0th> the "amp" is recognized as the display
[21:01] <g0th> showing only 60 Hz
[21:03] <g0th> I will restart X with the monitor directly connected to the pc, save the edid, reconnect it to the amp and use the saved edid
[21:03] <g0th> that might work
[21:07] <avihay> I want to get temperture readings from the motherboard built in sensors, but /proc/acpi/thermal_zone is empty. don't know where to look, any advice?
[21:14] <TommyMann> @anyone: half the time I have no sound, I checked alsamixer and everything is on and turned to max
[21:14] <TommyMann> but I have no sound
[21:15] <TommyMann> any tech supporty types on?
[21:19] <SubCool> ok, is there a way to boot off a LiveCD, but then refer to the USB?
[21:19] <genii-around> avihay: If you type: sensors       does it give a couple readings?
[21:20] <avihay> TommyMann: please provide more info,  what version of kubuntu do you have (lsb_release -a). in newer versions of kubuntu, there has been a move from alsa to pulseaudio
[21:20] <avihay> genii-around: where?
[21:20] <genii-around> avihay: In Konsole
[21:20] <avihay> also, any coffee left?
[21:20] <TommyMann> avihay: 11.04
[21:20]  * genii-around slides avihay a nice delicious coffee
[21:22] <avihay> thanks genii, I have no programm named sensors. sudo apt-get install lm-sensors?
[21:22] <avihay> TommyMann: yes, by default you have pulseaudio installed
[21:22] <genii-around> avihay: Yep
[21:23] <avihay> will it be kind enough to add itself to the procfs?
[21:23] <TommyMann> tommy@Displacer-Beast:~$ pulseaudio
[21:23] <TommyMann> E: pid.c: Daemon already running.
[21:23] <TommyMann> E: main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed.
[21:27] <TommyMann> avihay: weird eh?
[21:29] <TommyMann> I tried pulseaudio -vvv and can give you that if you want
[21:30] <avihay> TommyMann: thats the exact same output I get. try useing the kmix application, restarting pulseaudio, reading the online documentation or removeing pulseaudio and using alsa,  or wait for someone else to help, I don't know how to mess with pulseaudio myself
[21:30] <TommyMann> dang
[21:30] <TommyMann> kmix shows all the sounds up
[21:33] <BarkingFish> Sometimes when my sound doesn't work, I just restart the whole kdm and it usually kicks into life
[21:34] <BarkingFish> if you have konsole open, try typing pavucontrol and bring up pulse's volume control
[21:34] <TommyMann> when I went to multimedia settings it asked me if I wanted to forget about a list of devices
[21:35] <BarkingFish> once you opened pavucontrol, go to the tab marked output devices
[21:36] <TommyMann> barkingfish: there
[21:36] <BarkingFish> OK
[21:36] <BarkingFish> It should say at the top the name of the sound device, followed by which port it's using
[21:37] <BarkingFish> can you tell me if those are there, and if so, what they are listed as please?
[21:37] <TommyMann> just says internal analog stereo
[21:37] <TommyMann> and has a drop menu
[21:37] <TommyMann> analog speakers
[21:37] <TommyMann> analog output
[21:37] <TommyMann> analog headphones
[21:37] <TommyMann> no ports
[21:38] <BarkingFish> if you look to the left, you should see the word Port :)
[21:38] <TommyMann> ah yeah
[21:38] <BarkingFish> Those are the available ports for pulseaudio to output on
[21:38] <BarkingFish> Right, underneath there should be a volume control
[21:38] <TommyMann> they're all at 89%
[21:39] <BarkingFish> are they grayed out?
[21:39] <TommyMann> nope
[21:39] <BarkingFish> ok - click on the Playback tab please :)
[21:39] <TommyMann> ok
[21:39] <BarkingFish> at the bottom you will see a button, click it and select All Streams
[21:40] <BarkingFish> it should initially say "Applications"
[21:40] <TommyMann> ok we're there
[21:40] <BarkingFish> Right, what volume controls do you have above it?
[21:40] <BarkingFish> I have one mono track, system sounds, and one for knotify underneath
[21:41] <TommyMann> system sounds: mono 100%
[21:41] <TommyMann> knotify: left 100% right 100%
[21:42] <BarkingFish> that sounds right, can you now click on the configuration tab please? :)
[21:42] <TommyMann> ok
[21:42] <BarkingFish> You will only have one tab here, and it should be a dropdown button
[21:42] <JeroenDeDauw> I'm trying to install something that has a autogen.sh file to create a configure file to make a make file (yay, simplicity!). When I run the autogen file, I'm getting this error: http://dpaste.org/WbVX/
[21:42] <JeroenDeDauw> Anyone an idea how to fix this? I'm running Kubuntu 11.04, but suspect this is gnome related after some google'ing
[21:42] <TommyMann> internal audio: analog stereo duplex
[21:43] <BarkingFish> TommyMann, Can you try changing that to analog stereo output please?
[21:44] <TommyMann> ok, no change in sound unless I have to exit to save changes
[21:44] <BarkingFish> when you've done that, I'd like you to close pavucontrol
[21:44] <BarkingFish> it won't happen just yet :)
[21:44] <TommyMann> k
[21:44] <BarkingFish> I'm going to ask you to restart the kdm now.
[21:45] <avihay> genii-around: sensors-detect is so cool, it managed to not crash both the machines I ran it on even though I let it probe all of my hardware, and was very clear on how to use and install the modules, thanks, coffee was good too
[21:45] <BarkingFish> You'll lose your open programs for a brief second, but you can come straight back :)
[21:45] <TommyMann> that's cool
[21:45] <BarkingFish> TommyMann, please type in the konsole: sudo service kdm restart
[21:45] <BarkingFish> and we'll see you in a moment :)
[21:45] <genii-around> avihay: Yer welcome
[21:47] <TommyMann> still silence
[21:47] <BarkingFish> ok, no problem
[21:47] <TommyMann> barkingfish: ^
[21:47] <BarkingFish> open up konsole again, and this time, type padevchooser
[21:48]  * Daskreech give genii-around a pot of coffee
[21:48] <avihay> genii-around: I rebooted the machine, but /proc/acpi/thermal_zone is still an empty folder :-<
[21:48] <BarkingFish> it won't open a window, TommyMann - what it will do is stick a little white square in your system tray.
[21:49] <genii-around> avihay: Yes that happens here too but my temperature applet still reads the correct stuff somehow
[21:49] <BarkingFish> left click on that icon, and from the list which opens, select Manager and click it
[21:50] <TommyMann> just indents a line, but doesn't bring back up a commandline
[21:50] <TommyMann> tommy@Displacer-Beast:~$ padevchooser
[21:50] <TommyMann> ^C
[21:50] <TommyMann> tommy@Displacer-Beast:~$
[21:50] <BarkingFish> look at your system tray, TommyMann
[21:50] <BarkingFish> do you see a small white square in it?
[21:51] <avihay> I want to monitor a machins temperture over ssh, for that I want a simple script, or preferably a one line bash command that will (since I cant read the proc file) run sensors | grep °C , and then run sleep(60). will someone be so kind as to save me the bash manual?
[21:51] <TommyMann> the ^C is just me trying to copy with hotkey
[21:52] <BarkingFish> so you don't have the icon?
[21:52] <TommyMann> ah, yeah
[21:52] <TommyMann> I do have the icon sorry
[21:52] <BarkingFish> ok, left click, and when the list comes up, click manager
[21:53] <TommyMann> ok
[21:53] <TommyMann> up and running
[21:54] <TommyMann> the manager that is
[21:54] <BarkingFish> right, you should have 5 tabs.  I want you to start in the server information tab
[21:54] <BarkingFish> Do you first of all, have a Default Sink and a Default Source set?
[21:55] <TommyMann> sink: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo
[21:55] <BarkingFish> same as mine
[21:55] <TommyMann> source: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo.monitor
[21:55] <BarkingFish> and again, same as mine
[21:56] <avihay> oh, and I don't know how to make loops...
[21:56] <BarkingFish> Can you switch please to the Modules tab, TommyMann?
[21:57] <TommyMann> I'm there
[21:57] <BarkingFish> Under there, you should have only one module listed, module-alsa-card
[21:57] <BarkingFish> Can you copypaste the content of that field please?
[21:58] <TommyMann> copy seems disabled, and it's long so give me a sec to type it out
[21:58] <BarkingFish> on second thoughts, skip that, you can't :)
[21:59] <TommyMann> device_id="0"name="pci-0000_00_1b.0"card_name="alsa_card.pci-0000_00_1b.0"tsched=yes ignore_dB=no card_properties="module-udev-detect.discovered=1"
[22:00] <BarkingFish> right, then this isn't a pulseaudio problem :)
[22:00] <BarkingFish> you can close the manager window, and we'll aim for systemsettings
[22:00] <BarkingFish> this is more likely a backend issue
[22:00] <TommyMann> I think I have gstreamer as the highest pref
[22:01] <TommyMann> BarkingFish: thanks for all the help in advance/in the middle
[22:01] <BarkingFish> no problem
[22:02] <BarkingFish> I had to go through all this to get my sound to work on my laptop when I switched to kubuntu :)
[22:02] <BarkingFish> Open the multimedia tab and click Phonon
[22:02] <TommyMann> first I get:
[22:02] <TommyMann> This is the list of devices KDE thinks can be removed:
[22:02] <TommyMann> Capture: HDA Intel (ALC269 Analog)
[22:02] <TommyMann> Output: HDA Intel (ALC269 Analog)
[22:02] <TommyMann> Output: HDA Intel, INTEL HDMI (HDMI Audio Output)
[22:02] <TommyMann> in a popup when I open phonon
[22:03] <BarkingFish> say no to them all
[22:03] <TommyMann> done
[22:03] <BarkingFish> right, Phonon area :)
[22:04] <TommyMann> k
[22:04] <BarkingFish> The first thing is the device preferences tab, can you click on Music in the list on the left, and tell me please what the top output device is?
[22:04] <TommyMann> internal audio analog stereo
[22:05] <BarkingFish> Excellent. Can you click Apply device list to... at the bottom of the left side, and make sure everything is ticked off please?
[22:05] <TommyMann> done
[22:05] <BarkingFish> cool
[22:06] <BarkingFish> Middle tab next, Speaker Setup :)
[22:06] <TommyMann> k
[22:07] <BarkingFish> Make sure your two devices under hardware are: Internal Audio for the sound card, and Analog Stereo Duplex for the Profile please
[22:07] <TommyMann> profile was analog stereo output
[22:08] <BarkingFish> Under Output, you should have for hardware, Internal Audio Analog Stereo - and for Connector, please set Analog Speakers :)
[22:08] <TommyMann> that's what's set in it
[22:08] <BarkingFish> okies, we're getting close
[22:09] <BarkingFish> Can you go back to the device preferences tab please, and in the right hand box, click Internal Audio analog stereo?
[22:09] <BarkingFish> at the bottom of that pane, you will see a "test" button light up
[22:09] <BarkingFish> can you click it please and see if your speakers output anything?
[22:09] <TommyMann> no sound
[22:10] <BarkingFish> what other devices do you have in that column please?
[22:10] <TommyMann> none
[22:10] <BarkingFish> ok, left pane, can you please tick the "show advanced devices" checkbox?
[22:11] <TommyMann> been checked
[22:11] <BarkingFish> still no other devices?
[22:11] <TommyMann> nothing, unchecked and rechecked
[22:11] <TommyMann> just internal audio analog stereo
[22:11] <BarkingFish> dang.
[22:12] <BarkingFish> Ok then, one more check - please go to the backend tab and confirm with me that you have got gstreamer as your primary backend p
[22:12] <TommyMann> I do
[22:12] <BarkingFish> myxzptlk.
[22:12] <TommyMann> is that the evil demon from superman?
[22:13] <BarkingFish> i think so
[22:13] <BarkingFish> can you go back to the konsole please?
[22:13] <TommyMann> sure
[22:14] <BarkingFish> I'm really sorry about this, I don't normally take this long to get stuff working :)
[22:14] <TommyMann> well I figured that this problem was a weird one
[22:14] <BarkingFish> you're telling me it is :D
[22:15] <TommyMann> my sound works like one day a week
[22:15] <BarkingFish> At the command line, can you please type this - ps aux | grep pulse
[22:15] <TommyMann> tommy     3003  0.8  0.2 348884  9836 ?        S<sl 16:31   0:22 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
[22:15] <TommyMann> tommy     4894  0.0  0.0   9140  1056 pts/0    S+   17:15   0:00 grep --color=auto pulse
[22:15] <TommyMann> tommy@Displacer-Beast:~$
[22:15] <BarkingFish> aha
[22:16] <BarkingFish> you be missing something :)
[22:16] <BarkingFish> thor      1592  0.1  0.9 161520  9504 ?        S<sl 16:21   0:31 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
[22:16] <BarkingFish> thor      1623  0.0  0.3  20792  3412 ?        Sl   16:21   0:00 /usr/lib/pulseaudio/pulse/gconf-helper
[22:16] <BarkingFish> thor     20607  0.0  0.0   4164   856 pts/1    S+   23:14   0:00 grep --color=auto pulse
[22:17] <TommyMann> gconfhelper?
[22:17] <BarkingFish> that's what it looks like
[22:17] <BarkingFish> My sound is working, but I have both of those files live.
[22:19] <TommyMann> gconfhelper, doesn't show up in synaptic or ap-get install
[22:19] <BarkingFish> in konsole, can you do - cd /usr/lib/pulseaudio/pulse please?
[22:19] <TommyMann> k
[22:19] <BarkingFish> when you're in, can you please type ls -a
[22:20] <TommyMann> /usr/lib/pulseaudio/pulse$ ls -a
[22:20] <TommyMann> .   gconf-helper
[22:20] <TommyMann> ..  proximity-helper
[22:20] <BarkingFish> you should have 2 files, both marked in green, gconf-helper and gconf-schema
[22:21] <TommyMann> those are the two green files
[22:21] <BarkingFish> hm
[22:21] <BarkingFish> It sounds to me like you have some packages missing possibly
[22:21] <TommyMann> proximity helper insead of gconf-schema
[22:22] <BarkingFish> try this - sudo apt-get install pulseaudio-module-gconf
[22:23] <TommyMann> pulseaudio-module-gconf is already the newest version.
[22:23] <BarkingFish> :/
[22:23]  * BarkingFish is having a headscratching session
[22:24] <BarkingFish> do you have vlc installed?
[22:24] <TommyMann> yeah
[22:24] <BarkingFish> maybe we could try you with a different phonon backend
[22:24] <BarkingFish> try sudo apt-get install phonon-backend-vlc
[22:25] <BarkingFish> I might be going in a moment, so if I don't get this working tonight, TommyMann - I'll come back to you tomorrow evening
[22:25] <TommyMann> already at newest version
[22:25] <BarkingFish> I'm using my neighbors wifi with his permission, and he usually goes to bed in about 5 minutes or so
[22:25] <TommyMann> well, I'm working tomorrow night
[22:26] <BarkingFish> ah damn.  Sunday?
[22:26] <TommyMann> available
[22:26] <BarkingFish> perfect
[22:26] <BarkingFish> I'll put that in my calendar to remind me
[22:27] <BarkingFish> Anyway, if you have the vlc backend already, have you tried swapping gstreamer for an alternate backend?
[22:27] <TommyMann> yeah, just went through all three I have with no luck
[22:27] <TommyMann> in sound settings
[22:27] <TommyMann> but I didn't restart kdm, so
[22:27] <TommyMann> gstreamer, vlc, and xine are installed
[22:27] <BarkingFish> try it that way
[22:28] <BarkingFish> Just changing the backend without restarting the dm might not work
[22:28] <BarkingFish> switch to the vlc one first, and do the sudo service kdm restart from your konsole :)
[22:28] <BarkingFish> if that doesn't work, try the xine backend.
[22:28] <BarkingFish> One of them will work, it has to :)
[22:30] <BarkingFish> Boy, this is a real head scratcher.  Anyone else got any thoughts on what could be going wrong?
[22:30] <BarkingFish> hello again :)
[22:31] <TommyMann> vlc didn't do it
[22:31] <BarkingFish> dang
[22:31] <TommyMann> trying xine
[22:31] <BarkingFish> okies
[22:33] <TommyMann> no xine either
[22:33] <skierpage> Somehow have "Partition Manager" *and* "KDE Partition Manager"?  One's a KDE Control Module, the other a KDE binary.  Which is better?
[22:34] <BarkingFish> TommyMann, one last trick for tonight.
[22:34] <TommyMann> ok
[22:34] <BarkingFish> Can you please open konsole, and type alsamixer
[22:34] <TommyMann> ok
[22:34] <BarkingFish> when it comes up, can you check the volume on all your channels please
[22:35] <TommyMann> s/pdif is off
[22:35] <BarkingFish> the first 4 channels, master, speaker, headphone and PCM should all be up
[22:35] <TommyMann> headphones at 0
[22:35] <TommyMann> internal mic boost at 0
[22:35] <TommyMann> everything else is at 100
[22:36] <BarkingFish> just a quick check, do you have any headphones or external speakers?
[22:36] <TommyMann> nope
[22:36] <skierpage> They're really similar, same icon, but KDE Partition Manager seems to have more features. Confusing!
[22:36] <TommyMann> I own some headphones
[22:36] <TommyMann> just not plugged in
[22:37] <BarkingFish> well if you could plug into your headphone socket please, and turn the volume up to about 80 ish, let's see if you're getting sound out from the headphone socket
[22:38] <BarkingFish> when you're plugged in, just try playing some music in VLC or something
[22:39] <TommyMann> no sound through speakers
[22:39] <TommyMann> didn't pop up with any sort of detection either
[22:39] <BarkingFish> anything through the headphones?
[22:40] <TommyMann> nothing
[22:40] <BarkingFish> [censored by xchat 2.8.6]
[22:40] <BarkingFish> sorry
[22:41] <TommyMann> yeah
[22:41] <TommyMann> thanks anyway
[22:41] <BarkingFish> I'll have a think about this over the next day or so, and I'll see you back in here on sunday night.
[22:42] <TommyMann> what time is night in your time zone?
[22:42] <TommyMann> it's 5pm for me
[22:42] <BarkingFish> I'm in GMT +1 at the moment, it's 23.42 here
[22:42] <BarkingFish> I'm normally on from about 20.00 GMT +1
[22:43] <TommyMann> ah well it's 110 degrees at 5 oclock in austin texas
[22:43] <BarkingFish> Holy Cow!
[22:43] <BarkingFish> 110F?  That's like...
[22:43] <TommyMann> very hot
[22:44] <BarkingFish> 40°c
[22:44] <BarkingFish> isc
[22:44] <BarkingFish> *ish
[22:44] <BarkingFish> man, I'd die in that heat.
[22:44] <BarkingFish> I was born in Iceland, TommyMann - Summer there never gets past 20°c :)
[22:45] <TommyMann> jeez, winter is barely that in austin
[22:45] <TommyMann> only hits freezeing two days a year
[22:46] <BarkingFish> Winter in Iceland is fun. You never know whether you'll be able to leave your house in the morning.
[22:46] <TommyMann> That's kind of like summer here.
[22:46] <TommyMann> Might die of heat stroke on the way to the bus.
[22:46] <BarkingFish> 0.0
[22:47] <BarkingFish> In Keflavik in Winter, the only thing you're likely to die from is falling over into a 5 or 6ft deep snowdrift and not being able to stand up before you suffocate
[22:48] <BarkingFish> Anyhoo, I'm gonna pack up the lappy and get off to bed. I'm at work in about 8 hours, and I need my sleep :)
[22:48] <TommyMann> Don't really get much snow.
[22:49] <TommyMann> Get ice instead occasionally
[22:49] <BarkingFish> I have 600 hungry perps to deal with first thing tomorrow, and a whole 8 hours with them
[22:49] <BarkingFish> yay. not.
[22:50] <TommyMann> perps?
[22:50] <BarkingFish> Prisoners :)
[22:50] <TommyMann> ah
[22:50] <BarkingFish> I'm supervising kitchen tomorrow morning, for the guys doing breakfast.
[22:51] <TommyMann> That's a job.
[22:52] <BarkingFish> Yeah, myself and my colleague have a team of 20 prisoners who're deemed safe to work, and they do the prep and cooking for the breakfasts.
[22:53] <BarkingFish> It's trickier when you're dealing, as I do, with Youth offenders, we have to be slightly more careful with them in a kitchen
[22:53] <TommyMann> That's pretty cool. Are the prisons less ridiculous in Iceland?
[22:53] <BarkingFish> I don't know thankfully, I was never in one :)
[22:53] <BarkingFish> I'm in the UK now, have been for about 10 years
[22:54] <BarkingFish> I live right across the road from where I work, which is about a 3 minute walk
[22:54] <TommyMann> Living close to work sounds awesome, although maybe not so much when it's a prison
[22:55] <BarkingFish> That's precisely why I live here.  The estate I live on has 200 houses, and only 54 of them are lived in.
[22:55] <BarkingFish> Most people run a mile when they discover their new house is a stone's throw from the gates of a Category A prison
[22:57] <TommyMann> I am actually heading out to a pub for a friends birthday now
[22:57] <BarkingFish> anyway, TommyMann - I promise you I'll be here on sunday, and we *will* get your sound working
[22:57] <TommyMann> pleasure speaking with you, catch you on sunday
[22:57] <BarkingFish> No problem, take care
[22:57] <BarkingFish> right guys, that's my lot for tonight.
[22:57] <BarkingFish> been fun, I'll catch you all tomorrow
[22:58] <BarkingFish> see ya
[23:12] <skierpage> KDE Partition Manager warns that my partitions don't start at a cylinder boundary... but this is a USB flash drive. The Linux stack needs to get a clue and drop the "63 sectors 255 heads" crap from 15 years ago.
[23:15] <skierpage> I actually want my partitions to start on a 1 MiB boundary per flash recommendations, but I can't figure it out.  Is the first sector sector 0 or sector 1?
[23:19] <skierpage> Sounds like KDE Partition Manager 1.1 improves things, http://blog.volker-lanz.de/2010/06/01/new-in-kde-partition-manager-1-1-v-options-galore
[23:42] <dthacker> kmail is telling me I have an invalid mail transport, but I've deleted it from accounts and restarted.  How can I find it?
[23:55] <Daskreech> dthacker: Put in an account/
[23:55] <Daskreech> ?
[23:55] <dthacker> ??
[23:55] <Daskreech> skierpage: It's jsut a warning you can probably ignroe it
[23:55] <alkan> hi all
[23:55] <alkan> my name is Alkan from Turkey
[23:55] <dthacker> I used the account wizard to add the account..
[23:56] <dthacker> I now have three transports, none of which match this name.
[23:57] <Daskreech> dthacker: sounds strange. Did you look at the akonadi control center?
[23:57] <trions> I formatted a USB thumb drive to ext4. When I insert it, and open dolphin, I am unable to copy or create new folders inside the thumb drive.
[23:57] <dthacker> Daskreech: How would I access that?
[23:59] <dthacker> Daskreech: don't see it in settings or system menus