[00:05] <KM0201> Pegasus_RPG: u still here?
[00:05] <Pegasus_RPG> y
[00:05] <Pegasus_RPG> copying settings files for deployment
[00:05]  * Pegasus_RPG will need to use the late-command in the preseed file to accomplish much of this
[00:06] <KM0201> k, i'm looking.
[00:07] <KM0201> Pegasus_RPG: i think i figured it out, lemme test it real quick.
[00:08] <Pegasus_RPG> thank you very much
[00:15] <KM0201> what good is a manpage, when its not right?
[00:15] <KM0201> Pegasus_RPG: are you still here?
[00:15] <Pegasus_RPG> y
[00:15] <KM0201> do me a favor... i kinda fubar'd my system trying to test this..lol
[00:16] <KM0201> open up a terminal and type "sudo nano /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf" no quotes, and hit enter, enter your password, and it should open up a file.
[00:17] <KM0201> Pegasus_RPG: when you get that file open, under display, there's one that says    bg=/path    i need that path.
[00:18] <KM0201> i think its /usr something..
[00:18] <Pegasus_RPG> oh geez
[00:18] <Pegasus_RPG> k sec
[00:19] <KM0201> appreciate it.. :)
[00:19] <KM0201> (but i do think i've figured it out..lol)
[00:19] <Pegasus_RPG>  /usr/share/backgrounds/default.png
[00:19] <Pegasus_RPG> my /usr/share/backgrounds is empty tho
[00:20] <KM0201> i know.
[00:20] <KM0201> brb
[00:20] <Pegasus_RPG> k
[00:36] <Pegasus_RPG> whew, you're back
[00:36] <KM0201> i don't know why lxde needs to make stuff so needlessly complex
[00:36] <KM0201> yah, it was easy to fix when you gave me the path (thanks..)... but i was trying to figure out how to change it.
[00:37] <Pegasus_RPG> is it just a matter of dropping a png in place of that default?
[00:37] <KM0201> well, i tried that, w/o any luck...
[00:38] <KM0201> lemme try one more thing
[00:38] <KM0201> brb
[00:38] <Pegasus_RPG> k
[00:38] <Pegasus_RPG> thanks for all of your time on this!
[00:39] <Pegasus_RPG> thanks for all of your time on this!
[00:39] <Pegasus_RPG> bbl
[00:39] <Pegasus_RPG> gotta run
[00:39] <KM0201> boy thats unecessarily difficult
[00:39] <Pegasus_RPG> will stay logged in
[00:39] <KM0201> hey, i figured it out
[00:39] <KM0201> lol
[00:39] <Pegasus_RPG> oh cool
[00:39] <KM0201> hang on a sec.
[00:39] <Pegasus_RPG> say it here and I'll read it when I get back
[00:39] <Pegasus_RPG> thanks so much!!
[00:40] <KM0201> ok.
[00:40] <KM0201> 1.  Find your .png file and rename it to "default.png"
[00:41] <KM0201> 2.  cd into the directory that has "your" default.png...
[00:41] <KM0201> 3.  sudo cp default.png /usr/share/backgrounds
[00:41] <KM0201> 4.  open lxdm configuration file -- sudo nano /etc/xdg/lubuntu/lxdm/lxdm.conf
[00:42] <KM0201> 5.  Go down under display, and add this line..   bg=/usr/share/backgrounds/default.png
[00:42] <KM0201> then save and close
[00:43] <KM0201> 6.   sudo update-alternatives --config lxdm.conf
[00:43] <KM0201> 7.  Choose "0" (or just leave blank and hit enter.. do not hit 1 or 2.. that's what caused my issue)
[00:43] <KM0201> after it saves, reboot (you migh tbe able to just log out)... and then you should get your new login screen.
[00:44] <KM0201> so there you have it...
[00:53] <nekotreci> hi, i wanna install lubuntu, somebody says me its the lightiest version of linux
[00:53] <nekotreci> and i need something for weak machine
[00:53] <nekotreci> i have 512 ram
[00:53] <nekotreci> and now i have ubuntu
[00:54] <KM0201> nekotreci: 512 of ram... ssounds like lubuntu is a good choice
[00:54] <nekotreci> so i now go in synpatic and type lubuntu
[00:54] <nekotreci> then ?
[00:55] <nekotreci> everything i need is bluefish and connectiong to server using folder like in ubuntu
[00:55] <KM0201> oh i thought you meant you want to install lubuntu... a machine w/ specs that low, id' just do a clean install of lubuntu.
[00:58] <nekotreci> so i go to synpatic and install lubuntu
[01:09] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[01:09] <kosaidpo> how can i make my webcam work on skype
[01:09] <kosaidpo> my webcam work in cheese
[01:09] <kosaidpo> tho
[03:49] <Scott_S> Anyone else having an issue where the Lubuntu installer is just refusing to get past the "Download updates while installing..." screen?
[03:52] <Scott_S> Yeah, each time I try to get past the second installer page it fails with "Sorry, the program "blkid" closed unexpectedly". Tried several times now.
[03:54] <KM0201> Scott_S: hmm, haven't heard that one
[03:54] <KM0201> have you tried installing and checking "do not install updates"..
[03:54] <Scott_S> Just did, failed again.
[03:55] <KM0201> ok, have you checked the md5sum on the cd, to make sure it either isn't a bad ISO, or a bad burn?
[03:55] <Scott_S> Tried both the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of the LiveCD. Using the USB version.
[03:56] <Scott_S> That'd make sense if I were using the CD lol. It'd be odd for two different images to have the same error too.
[03:58] <KM0201> yeah, it would.. but you didn't mention that before, so thats why i suggested it.
[03:58] <Scott_S> Yeah, hence why I mentioned it now. Seems that Daemon is being inhibited, not fully sure why the window is refusing to "kill" too.
[04:00] <jmarsden> Scott_S: blkid is looking at disk devices at a low level... do you have an unusual or broken disk that is confusing it?
[04:00] <jmarsden> Woah, he left already? Oh well...
[04:01] <Scott_S> Sorry about that, windows closed out while I was trying to force-kill the installer.
[04:01] <jmarsden> Repeating:  Scott_S: blkid is looking at disk devices at a low level... do you have an unusual or broken disk that is confusing it?
[04:01] <Scott_S> jmarsden: Most likely the SSD in my system yeah.
[04:02] <jmarsden> Scott_S: OK, can you boot from the Lubuntu LiveCD and get to a shell and play with blkid to see what it is doing?
[04:02] <Scott_S> jmarsden: Other than that? All disks are fine as far as I know. Used to have an Ubuntu 10.04.2 install, but I had the SSD disconnected during that...
[04:02] <Scott_S> http://pastebin.com/6UB7PSYw
[04:02] <Scott_S> That's the output from checking blkid
[04:03] <Scott_S> Oddly enough, I have two partitions only SDA but only one of them is showing. Hmm.
[04:03] <Scott_S> on SDA, I mean.
[04:05] <jmarsden> OK... I think if you can clean up your disk partitions, the installer will be happier.  I'm guessing, but... the guess is based on experience :)
[04:05] <Scott_S> jmarsden: The SSD happens to be my main boot drive for Windows. =P I'll try unplugging that after a quick shutdown and I'll log back into here to report my findings. Thanks.
[04:05] <jmarsden> Scott_S: You're welcome.
[04:08] <Scott_S> Alright, let's see how this works lol.
[04:10] <Scott_S> Nope, looks like the installer is just hanging again. Hmmm.
[04:11] <Scott_S> Although blkid doesn't appear to be crashing suddenly this time, which I suppose is a good sign.
[04:15] <KM0201> Scott_S: have you considered the alternate cd?
[04:16] <Scott_S> KM0201: That would be odd too, as I have installed 10.04.2 before, along with Lubuntu 10.10, on this very same machine.
[04:16] <KM0201> i dunnno, doesn't make a lot of sense
[04:16] <Scott_S> That's what I'm going "whaaa?" about. No reason for it to just be hanging.
[04:17] <Scott_S> Contemplating whether or not it's screwing it with seeing the EXT4 and SWAP partitions there already. Suppose I'll try deleting those first then.
[04:22] <Scott_S> Found the issue. SWAP partition on the hard drive keeps getting used upon boot.
[04:23] <Scott_S> Gonna boot up a GParted and delete the partition. Will report back so that you guys know what caused the issue in the first place.
[04:36] <Scott_S> Now I'm just completely lost. No swap or ext4 partitions, just 3 partitions on the system, yet still refuses to get past that darn page.
[11:25] <bhm> ping
[11:26] <bioterror> pong
[11:27] <bhm> Following a discussion on the lubuntu mailing list, I wondered if one could "speed up things" significantly by dropping all the icons.
[11:28] <bhm> ...and skin the UI down to something minimalistic like just text and frames (in a nice looks of course)...
[11:28] <bioterror> stop using openbox and lxde, start using ctwm or something else
[11:28] <bhm> but that would be sad...
[11:29] <bioterror> why?
[11:30] <bhm> well thinking about lubuntu being antibloat, lean, fast and energy efficient makes me think of Lubuntu as a cheetah...
[11:30] <bhm> compared to the other elephants...
[11:31] <bioterror> gnome3 takes 122MB of ram after boot to desktop, lubuntu takes 120 something
[11:32] <bioterror> what do you think about that
[11:32] <bhm> ok then... facts win in any argument...
[11:34] <bioterror> hmm
[11:34] <bioterror> was those icons defined in .desktop files
[11:35] <bioterror> Icon=brasero
[11:35] <bioterror> for example
[11:35] <bioterror> it's already defined in there
[11:35] <bhm> nope it was purely an random line of thought after seeing a very elegant screenshot of a desktop that had glass-blue looks, menus with text only  and then windows.
[11:36] <bhm> the windows very trimmed minimalistically and the programs running had their own features but all the bloat was gone.
[11:39] <bioterror>  if you want fast desktop with minimalistic things, install minimal setup, window manager of your dreams, lxappearance, ozone2 or another gtk theme, replace gnome nm-applet with wicd (if you dont need 3G connections ;) and if you're using laptop, you could give a shot to xfce4-power-manager
[11:39] <bioterror> or you can configure acpi to respond for closing laptop lid
[11:40] <bioterror> and pcmanfm as your filemanager
[11:40] <bioterror> it will handle the things you want
[11:40] <bioterror> that's actually fun way to spend one evening while watching tv and dodging all the wife's suggestions
[11:41] <bioterror> fluxbox for example has a bar with systemtray
[11:41] <bioterror> and it's really configurable
[11:41] <bhm> Neat. Wife would be sitting at the other machine smiling... Know any https with how-to's?
[11:42] <bioterror> I once leeched 7 seasons of Gilmore Girls
[11:42] <bioterror> and I had couple of weeks my own time :D
[11:42] <bioterror> eeeeevery evening
[11:42] <bhm> lol
[11:43] <bioterror> did you read that ubuntu 8.10 discussion?
[11:43] <bioterror> when I was a kid, we used compile kernels by ourself
[11:43] <bhm> yep... that's what made me browse
[11:43] <bioterror> to supports just the needed hardware we had
[11:43] <bioterror> nothing more, nothing less
[11:44] <bhm> Yeah, but thats way beyond my level of superabusage...
[11:44] <bhm> I have 3 Ph.D.s in manual reading...
[11:44] <bioterror> now we can walk to shop and buy more RAM ;)
[11:45] <bioterror> heck, I can even walk to computer store and buy AMD Phenom II X6 1090
[11:45] <bhm> But isn't that a bit like surrendering to a problem - i mean just upgrading...?
[11:45] <bioterror> no
[11:45] <bhm> Why
[11:45] <bioterror> I've accpted that
[11:45] <bioterror> accepted
[11:45] <bioterror> it took years from demo scene to take all the juices out of C64 and it's disk drives CPU
[11:46] <bhm> So what happened to "Do More With Less?"
[11:46] <bioterror> so, I dont expect that to happen to PC, actually never
[11:46] <bioterror> things would be different if we all still had 233MMX
[11:46] <bhm> so did "Do More With Less" just turn into more|less ?
[11:46] <bioterror> :D
[11:47] <bhm> :-)
[11:47] <bioterror> I'm just trying to say that most of the things are bloat and they will be
[11:47] <bioterror> there's really no need to take out the every last drop of CPU and GPU
[11:51] <bhm> okay, but maintaining the ability to scale effectively when needed (f.x. using series of ARM cpus)
[11:51] <bhm> isn't that the goal of antibloat: What you need when you need it - in stead of redundant capacity?
[11:52] <bhm> (I guess I carry the scientists approach....)
[12:24] <leszek> hi
[15:15] <aleph> hi!
[15:15] <aleph> what is standard LUBUNTU disk usage after fresh install? Exactly.
[15:18] <KM0201> aleph: exactly?.
[15:18] <KM0201> i doubt you'll find an "exact" answer tot hat.
[15:18] <aleph> plus/minus 50MB
[15:19] <aleph> I know standard 32-bit ubuntu is 2.80 GB
[15:19] <KM0201> even +/- 50mb is tough... are youg onna install multimedia codecs? are you gonna download updates while installing?
[15:19] <aleph> and it is slightly too much, for my hacky project.
[15:19] <KM0201> well, i was thinking right at 2gigs.. so i'd suspect 2-2.5
[15:19] <aleph> standard. like clicking next, next, next, when installing :)
[15:19] <aleph> KM0201: oh. thanks. Will probably just install in VM to check.
[15:20] <KM0201> aleph: thats one way to check
[15:20] <aleph> I have about 3.1GB space available, and from this about 700MB would like to have in /home, and downloding updates. So 2.4 is margin of safety for me.
[15:21] <aleph> KM0201: thanks. Was thinking someone will know exactly :) as lubuntu is about lightweight/lxde ubuntu :D
[15:22] <aleph> there is page about requirments, but it have somehow overestimated space usage (because it changes, from version to version, and update. and just to not suprise user when installing :D).
[15:22] <KM0201> aleph: that doesn't mean anyone is gonna know exactly...
[15:23] <aleph> KM0201: somebody should measure it, and put in documentation / wiki / relase notes :D
[15:23] <KM0201> aleph: only thing stopping you is you.
[15:23] <aleph> currently release notes have "The graphical installer will not continue if you have less that 5 GB available for installation. However, you can install Lubuntu using the minimal installation instructions with less than 4 GB available."
[15:24] <aleph> So, can have problem installing it on 4GB (minus some space for FAT32).
[15:24] <aleph> will try.
[15:26] <aleph> "32 bit, low disk usage - For those people where hard disk space is critically low, this community edition requires just 2.7 GB of hard drive. This version is discussed at 11.04 Minimal Disk Space."
[15:26] <aleph> So, not really big change from Ubuntu. ;D
[15:27] <aleph> Ah. I see, this is mostly because Ubiquity installer, uses lots of temporary space on target file system (probably extracting debs from cdrom).
[16:46] <bhm> Aleph: Naked install with Ubuntu One 2273984 bytes
[16:57] <aleph> bhm: naked? 2MB ?
[16:57] <aleph> you mean kbytes, probably
[17:02] <bhm> :-)
[19:44] <ali_> hello
[19:44] <ali_> cab abibe tekk ne where i can get v11.10 from
[19:44] <ali_> can anyone tell me*
[19:45] <Unit193> It's not ready for general use, but you can find it at cdimage.ubuntu.com
[19:45] <Unit193> -_-
[20:01] <silverarrow> hi