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| charlie-tca | no on screen keyboard for oneiric? | 16:40 |
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| charlie-tca | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/739812 | 16:40 |
| ubot2` | Ubuntu bug 739812 in unity "Must use hardware keyboard to perform search for applications in Unity" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:40 |
| charlie-tca | see last comments | 16:40 |
| Pendulum | charlie-tca: I think the on screen keyboard is there, it's the part about having it work with the Dash that won't be there? | 16:40 |
| charlie-tca | Maybe, but doesn't that say "to hell with a11y, what works, works, and the rest is too bad"? | 16:41 |
| Pendulum | is this anything new? | 16:42 |
| charlie-tca | We only been pushing this very thing since they announced unity back in natty UDS | 16:42 |
| maco | accessibilty always gets the backburner to shiny | 16:42 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, back to "Accessibility is very important, as long as it doesn't get in the way again" | 16:42 |
| charlie-tca | Oh, yeah. I forgot. I won't complain about that no more. I promised. | 16:43 |
| AlanBell | on the plus side it does work in unity 2d | 16:44 |
| AlanBell | and I have been asking about it in #ayatana | 16:44 |
| AlanBell | 17:23 < DBO> AlanBell, it's actively being worked on, I have done the part I could do (make it so that the dash doesn't grab mouse/keyboard) | 16:45 |
| AlanBell | 17:24 < DBO> IM support in dash is up to the dash guys now (they have some test work done) | 16:45 |
| AlanBell | and this is a problem shared by everyone who wants to use Ubuntu on a tablet | 16:47 |
| * AlanBell likes sharing problems | 16:47 | |
| charlie-tca | According to the blueprints, we aren't even defaulting to 2d? | 16:53 |
| AlanBell | probably not, no | 16:53 |
| charlie-tca | Doesn't that kind of kill accessible installations? | 16:54 |
| AlanBell | the 3d one should be accessible to orca now (there is loads of code for it) | 16:54 |
| charlie-tca | since 3d doesn't work with orca | 16:54 |
| AlanBell | have you tried it? | 16:54 |
| charlie-tca | No, I just been looking at the ML | 16:54 |
| charlie-tca | I will be trying it this weekend, so we know whether or not to include it in the ISO testing | 16:55 |
| AlanBell | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/files/head:/services/ | 16:55 |
| AlanBell | loadsa ATK code stuff | 16:55 |
| AlanBell | I am not testing that right now, but I saw all that code earlier, if it doesn't work it should do | 16:56 |
| AlanBell | not sure if unity 2d will be accessible to orca (I suspect not) | 16:57 |
| charlie-tca | yeah, that was the goal this cycle, though | 16:57 |
| AlanBell | the plan was always to go for a fully accessible 3d before dropping the classic option | 16:57 |
| AlanBell | unity2d accessibility was more likely to be next cycle with the QML stuff upstream done this cycle | 16:58 |
| charlie-tca | Then I must have misunderstand this blueprint - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-dx-o-unity-a11y | 17:04 |
| maco | charlie-tca: jsut pretend you see the word "POSTPONED" at the end of each line :) | 17:07 |
| charlie-tca | Apparently from the day after UDS? | 17:11 |
| AlanBell | "Hard target: Unity must have accessibility in Oneiric" | 17:15 |
| AlanBell | I think that refers to Unity 3d | 17:15 |
| AlanBell | there is a work item for setting unity-2d to be the default, but that might not be a good idea | 17:15 |
| charlie-tca | all the items were for 2d, because we would not be able to make orca work correctly in 3d | 17:17 |
| AlanBell | why not? | 17:17 |
| charlie-tca | gnome3 and gtk3 | 17:17 |
| AlanBell | which should be fine | 17:18 |
| AlanBell | it was the Qt stuff that was the major toolkit problem | 17:18 |
| AlanBell | anyhow, it needs testing | 17:19 |
| charlie-tca | yes it does | 17:19 |
| charlie-tca | but the original blueprint really does say 2d, not 3d | 17:19 |
| AlanBell | charlie-tca: I made a dummy speech dispatcher module the other day which doesn't speak out loud, but logs a transcript of everything it would say | 17:52 |
| AlanBell | so you can have a terminal window open with tail -f speech.out to see it scroll past if you want to test stuff with orca silently, or if you want a transcript of the session for structured testing purposes | 17:53 |
| charlie-tca | I don't honestly know yet how to set up automatic tests | 18:07 |
| charlie-tca | Will be working on them, since we can now automate any tests I can figure out | 18:07 |
| charlie-tca | I will be wanting that, when I get tests automated | 18:11 |
| valorie | are y'all talking with fregl about qt a11y? | 21:04 |
| valorie | because he's a genius, and very committed, and working really hard | 21:04 |
| valorie | he lives in #kde-accessability | 21:05 |
| valorie | he and Harald / apachelogger can accomplish miracles, if asked | 21:06 |
| valorie | and by y'all, I mean Pendulum, AlanBell and charlie-tca, since you are the movers and shakers | 21:07 |
| maco | valorie: thats for unity 2d, which is pretty dandy at this point | 21:09 |
| maco | valorie: trouble is unity 3d still cant work with onscreen keyboards and is supposed to be default | 21:09 |
| valorie | right, I read up | 21:09 |
| valorie | " it was the Qt stuff that was the major toolkit problem" | 21:09 |
| maco | fregl's in the channel,ya know :P | 21:09 |
| valorie | was what I was responding to | 21:10 |
| maco | yes, "was"...past tense :) | 21:10 |
| valorie | heh | 21:10 |
| valorie | oh well, he gets a compliment then | 21:10 |
| valorie | :-) | 21:10 |
| valorie | are you ready for the storm, maco? | 21:10 |
| maco | i have lots of wool to spin if the power goes out | 21:11 |
| maco | so....yes? | 21:11 |
| valorie | well, water to drink, food to eat | 21:11 |
| valorie | candles, board games | 21:12 |
| valorie | :-) | 21:12 |
| maco | who needs board games? i have wool and a spindle! | 21:12 |
| maco | but yeah i have candles. was camping recently ;) | 21:12 |
| valorie | you have the skillz, for sure | 21:12 |
| maco | and food...im one of those people who keeps lots of beans around | 21:12 |
| maco | i dont really expect much disruption beyond maybe a day or two of lost power | 21:13 |
| maco | if that happens...go to boyfriend's apartment. that building's got a giant diesel generator that can go at least a day | 21:13 |
| valorie | cool | 21:13 |
| maco | if the power's out at my place, i can still cook *real* food, just no microwave burritos :P | 21:13 |
| valorie | lol | 21:14 |
| valorie | we're set up, out here, since occasionally it's out for up to 6 days | 21:14 |
| valorie | that was the longest | 21:14 |
| AlanBell | maco: so unity2d should work with orca now? | 21:17 |
| maco | AlanBell: idk about orca. i know i was able to use some kde apps with kde's screenreader. fregl'd know about the state of the gnome<->kde accessibility communications stuff | 21:19 |
| maco | anything qt *should* work with kde's screenreader i think though | 21:20 |
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