| doctormo | AlanBell: It's borg coding, you take out a c file, and it grows back again. | 00:27 |
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| nigelb | I hear the Motorola Photon has Ubuntu and Android. | 01:36 |
| nigelb | This is interesting news. | 01:37 |
| doctormo | nigelb: facinating | 02:00 |
| duanedesign | nigelb: i thought these screenshots looked familiar http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consumer-Product-and-Services/WEBTOP/Meet-WEBTOP | 02:23 |
| duanedesign | nigelb: I have read a couple articles on Webtop, and the Motorola site above, in the last couple weeks and never was it mentioned it is Ubuntu based. I did not realize it until you mentioned it. | 02:30 |
| nigelb | duanedesign: I did not either. A friend who works at Mozilla blogged and then hunted down. | 02:32 |
| nigelb | duanedesign: Ars rightly points out that webtop is Ubuntu based | 02:32 |
| duanedesign | nigelb: wish it was mentioned more, but nice to see it being used | 02:47 |
| duanedesign | ill have to read ars | 02:47 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:20 |
| kim0 | Morning | 08:10 |
| dholbach | nigelb, the new harvest is very unhappy again | 11:34 |
| dholbach | lots of postgres: harvest harvest [local] idle in transaction | 11:34 |
| nigelb | dholbach: :( | 11:34 |
| nigelb | dholbach: do you know which queries are getting stuck? | 11:34 |
| nigelb | (also, why didn't this show up earlier :|) | 11:35 |
| dholbach | no, I have no idea how to check that | 11:35 |
| nigelb | we need someone who's a postgres expert. | 11:36 |
| nigelb | mhall119: would you be able to look? | 11:36 |
| * nigelb wishes he had ssh access to poke at logs | 11:43 | |
| mhall119 | nigelb: what's going on? | 11:47 |
| nigelb | mhall119: mhall119 | 11:49 |
| mhall119 | oh, well that explains everything | 11:50 |
| mhall119 | mhall@guanabana:/srv/harvest.ubuntu.com$ uptime 11:51:19 up 6:01, 4 users, load average: 10.90, 11.00, 10.90 | 11:51 |
| mhall119 | that's not good :( | 11:51 |
| nigelb | mhall119: ugh, sorry. bad interwebz. | 11:52 |
| nigelb | RIght, something is making that machine very unhappy. | 11:52 |
| nigelb | Could you `ps ax | grep apache2 | wc -l` | 11:53 |
| mhall119 | nigelb: I think Ng rebooted apache | 11:59 |
| nigelb | mhall119: cool. | 12:00 |
| dholbach | http://thebuild.com/blog/2010/10/25/django-and-postgresql-idle-in-transaction-connections/ might be something worth looking into | 12:09 |
| mhall119 | dholbach: that's a possibility, i'd have to become familiar with harvest's code to know for sure | 12:10 |
| dholbach | mhall119, it's basically the same "update" scripts we have in LD as well | 12:11 |
| dholbach | (where I think they would make sense) | 12:11 |
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| dholbach | nigelb, did you file the memcached ticket? | 12:39 |
| mhall119 | nigelb: did you run harvest under the django debug toolbar? | 12:43 |
| jcastro | buenas mornings! | 13:11 |
| AlanBell | o/ jcastro | 13:11 |
| paultag | jcastro: boy howdy | 13:12 |
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| AlanBell | my appmenu lens is coming together, looks like I might be able to get it working over the weekend | 13:34 |
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| akgraner | jono look at you getting quoted in a CNN article...go you! | 15:41 |
| jono | akgraner, yeah, I met with the guy a few weeks back | 15:41 |
| jono | nuts, eh? | 15:41 |
| akgraner | jono, nah not nuts - pretty awesome - I wanna know your secrets..how the heck do you do it all...:-) (I would say you should write a book, but you got that covered ;-P) | 15:42 |
| jono | akgraner, lol | 15:43 |
| jono | I don't do that much | 15:43 |
| akgraner | ok then I'll go back to calling you a slacker then... | 15:47 |
| popey | I tuned in to at home with jono this week, was insane the number of questions you get | 15:55 |
| popey | lots of dupes from previous weeks, but still | 15:55 |
| popey | all good fun | 15:55 |
| paultag | mhall119: lol umad bro | 15:58 |
| paultag | mhall119: you should port loco.ubuntu to php or ruby | 15:58 |
| jono | popey, always fun :-) | 15:59 |
| dholbach | alright my friends - I call it a day! | 16:15 |
| dholbach | see you! | 16:15 |
| * popey hugs dholbach | 16:18 | |
| * dholbach hugs popey back | 16:18 | |
| mhall119 | paultag: lol | 16:32 |
| mhall119 | damn it, I just wasted 3 hours >:( | 16:33 |
| paultag | mhall119: dude you sound like a pissed off rookie after someone critisized a design he made - that post got me to ask myself, "Humm, I wonder if mhall119's going to ragequit" | 16:33 |
| paultag | mhall119: you're better then that shit, man :) | 16:33 |
| paultag | and I say that with love | 16:34 |
| mhall119 | paultag: the inspiration was actually watching this happen to someone else | 16:35 |
| paultag | still | 16:35 |
| * mhall119 ragequits | 16:36 | |
| paultag | that sort of feedback can be helpful, and I really like it when people say stuff to me like that - other ways of coming at a problem - usually someone gets upset if they're taking the design personally | 16:36 |
| paultag | I think a better post would have been - write software to write software, put your heart and soul into it, but don't get pissed off when people don't see things the same way you do | 16:37 |
| mhall119 | I made a point to say that the suggestions are probably valid, and that the offered solutions are probably better | 16:37 |
| paultag | mhall119: you should have written your blog post this way | 16:37 |
| paultag | neener neener | 16:37 |
| mhall119 | it's great to know that, it's great to learn, it's not great trash-bin what you've done for a minor improvement | 16:37 |
| paultag | meh :) | 16:37 |
| paultag | I'd not be as good as I am today if I'd stuck with my initial design choices | 16:37 |
| paultag | and if the change and rewrite ends up being marginal (and it will, sometimes), you live and learn | 16:38 |
| mhall119 | I'm not saying stick with it, I'm saying don't dump it | 16:38 |
| paultag | that's what VCS is for :) | 16:38 |
| paultag | a rm -rf can make you feel really good about a project again | 16:38 |
| paultag | I see what you're saying, and I understand - I just disagree :) | 16:39 |
| mhall119 | paultag: It'd be like me saying "Your wording on the LEP#2 email could be better, so don't send it" | 16:39 |
| paultag | mhall119: that'd be fine | 16:39 |
| paultag | mhall119: and I'd consider not sending it, in order to revise it | 16:40 |
| mhall119 | no it wouldn't, because no matter how much you improve your wording, it can always still be better | 16:40 |
| mhall119 | at some point you have to say "Yeah, it's not perfect, but it's good enough to do anyway" | 16:40 |
| mhall119 | which was my whole point, good enough is better than nothing | 16:40 |
| paultag | mhall119: true, but at a point you can just do it, we don't disagree there - but to ignore the advice or critisism of someone (esp if they know what they know what they're doing) is tragic | 16:41 |
| paultag | mhall119: your post made it seem like you should set a path and drive blind | 16:41 |
| mhall119 | hmmm, I didn't mean to suggest that people ignore the advice on how to improve things | 16:41 |
| paultag | that's why I thought it was odd | 16:42 |
| mhall119 | just that they shouldn't hold back a contribution just because it could possible be better if | 16:42 |
| paultag | mhall119: I usually do | 16:42 |
| mhall119 | you hold back? | 16:42 |
| paultag | mhall119: yes, of course | 16:42 |
| paultag | I'd rather a pristine patch in two weeks then a quick and dirty hack in 2 days | 16:42 |
| mhall119 | so you think that the patches you do submit are perfect? | 16:42 |
| paultag | any day of the week | 16:42 |
| paultag | mhall119: no, but I think they are pristine and tidy | 16:43 |
| paultag | I tend to not submit sub-par patches | 16:43 |
| mhall119 | your 2 week patches could be made better too, should you wait on a 4 week patch? or a 6 month patch? | 16:43 |
| paultag | there are exceptions, of course, and note I don't say perfect | 16:43 |
| paultag | mhall119: I said pristine, not perfect | 16:43 |
| paultag | clean, correct and complete | 16:43 |
| mhall119 | then we're talking 2 different things | 16:43 |
| paultag | I don't think so | 16:43 |
| mhall119 | then you're lying to yourself, I think, about the actual quality of what you submit | 16:44 |
| paultag | I hold things back to keep working on them, so that my patch is clean, consistant, correct and complete, rather then release a patch that's not that, i.e. sub-par (but may be correct and complete) | 16:44 |
| paultag | mhall119: perhaps | 16:44 |
| mhall119 | and I say that with love ;) | 16:44 |
| paultag | noted :) | 16:44 |
| paultag | mhall119: actually - I have an example | 16:46 |
| paultag | mhall119: my fluxbox patch (17 files changed, 1215 insertions, 11 deletions) has been sitting in my queue for about 5 months now. It works, and it's in the repos in the form of it's own project, but it's not perfect. So I have this huge patch that I've not pushed in yet, because it's not up to my standard | 16:47 |
| paultag | there's a level of standard I'd expect in the codebase, and I'm not going to ruin it because I'm to lazy to refactor | 16:48 |
| paultag | and on that note, lunch! :) | 16:50 |
| mhall119 | paultag: so fluxbox users have been without your contribution for 5 months, is that loss to them worth the benefit they'll get when you eventually do release it? | 16:54 |
| mhall119 | (future value) - (present value) - (your time spent refactoring) >= (5 months without present value) | 16:58 |
| mhall119 | ? | 16:58 |
| paultag | mhall119: yes | 17:16 |
| paultag | mhall119: because they can install it as fbautostart | 17:16 |
| paultag | but it's not of the standard that's expected in the work "fluxbox" | 17:16 |
| paultag | it's it's own project with a lower standard then fluxbox | 17:16 |
| nigelb | mhall119: Yes, I did. | 17:17 |
| paultag | mhall119: http://blog.pault.ag/post/9419992656/project-patch-standards-and-what-they-mean-to-me ♥ | 17:44 |
| paultag | I think you'll find we agree for the most part | 17:44 |
| mhall119 | most likely | 17:47 |
| mhall119 | I'll read it when I'm not on my phone :) | 17:47 |
| paultag | mhall119: it's no problem. I'm just putting that somewhere so I can point someone at it next time I reject a patch :) | 17:47 |
| nigelb | OH GOD. https://docs.google.com | 18:13 |
| paultag | ahahha | 18:19 |
| paultag | fail | 18:19 |
| * AlanBell wonders what is going on | 18:19 | |
| daker | http://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en | 18:20 |
| AlanBell | works for me | 18:21 |
| daker | http://www.google.com/appsstatus#rm=1&di=4&hl=en | 18:21 |
| daker | AlanBell, Error 404 | 18:21 |
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