[00:27] AlanBell: It's borg coding, you take out a c file, and it grows back again. [01:36] I hear the Motorola Photon has Ubuntu and Android. [01:37] This is interesting news. [02:00] nigelb: facinating [02:23] nigelb: i thought these screenshots looked familiar http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consumer-Product-and-Services/WEBTOP/Meet-WEBTOP [02:30] nigelb: I have read a couple articles on Webtop, and the Motorola site above, in the last couple weeks and never was it mentioned it is Ubuntu based. I did not realize it until you mentioned it. [02:32] duanedesign: I did not either. A friend who works at Mozilla blogged and then hunted down. [02:32] duanedesign: Ars rightly points out that webtop is Ubuntu based [02:47] nigelb: wish it was mentioned more, but nice to see it being used [02:47] ill have to read ars [07:20] good morning [08:10] Morning [11:34] nigelb, the new harvest is very unhappy again [11:34] lots of postgres: harvest harvest [local] idle in transaction [11:34] dholbach: :( [11:34] dholbach: do you know which queries are getting stuck? [11:35] (also, why didn't this show up earlier :|) [11:35] no, I have no idea how to check that [11:36] we need someone who's a postgres expert. [11:36] mhall119: would you be able to look? [11:43] * nigelb wishes he had ssh access to poke at logs [11:47] nigelb: what's going on? [11:49] mhall119: mhall119 [11:50] oh, well that explains everything [11:51] mhall@guanabana:/srv/harvest.ubuntu.com$ uptime 11:51:19 up 6:01, 4 users, load average: 10.90, 11.00, 10.90 [11:51] that's not good :( [11:52] mhall119: ugh, sorry. bad interwebz. [11:52] RIght, something is making that machine very unhappy. [11:53] Could you `ps ax | grep apache2 | wc -l` [11:59] nigelb: I think Ng rebooted apache [12:00] mhall119: cool. [12:09] http://thebuild.com/blog/2010/10/25/django-and-postgresql-idle-in-transaction-connections/ might be something worth looking into [12:10] dholbach: that's a possibility, i'd have to become familiar with harvest's code to know for sure [12:11] mhall119, it's basically the same "update" scripts we have in LD as well [12:11] (where I think they would make sense) === daker_ is now known as daker [12:39] nigelb, did you file the memcached ticket? [12:43] nigelb: did you run harvest under the django debug toolbar? [13:11] buenas mornings! [13:11] o/ jcastro [13:12] jcastro: boy howdy === salgado_ is now known as salgado [13:34] my appmenu lens is coming together, looks like I might be able to get it working over the weekend === MikeB is now known as technoviking === daker is now known as daker_ [15:41] jono look at you getting quoted in a CNN article...go you! [15:41] akgraner, yeah, I met with the guy a few weeks back [15:41] nuts, eh? [15:42] jono, nah not nuts - pretty awesome - I wanna know your secrets..how the heck do you do it all...:-) (I would say you should write a book, but you got that covered ;-P) [15:43] akgraner, lol [15:43] I don't do that much [15:47] ok then I'll go back to calling you a slacker then... [15:55] I tuned in to at home with jono this week, was insane the number of questions you get [15:55] lots of dupes from previous weeks, but still [15:55] all good fun [15:58] mhall119: lol umad bro [15:58] mhall119: you should port loco.ubuntu to php or ruby [15:59] popey, always fun :-) [16:15] alright my friends - I call it a day! [16:15] see you! [16:18] * popey hugs dholbach [16:18] * dholbach hugs popey back [16:32] paultag: lol [16:33] damn it, I just wasted 3 hours >:( [16:33] mhall119: dude you sound like a pissed off rookie after someone critisized a design he made - that post got me to ask myself, "Humm, I wonder if mhall119's going to ragequit" [16:33] mhall119: you're better then that shit, man :) [16:34] and I say that with love [16:35] paultag: the inspiration was actually watching this happen to someone else [16:35] still [16:36] * mhall119 ragequits [16:36] that sort of feedback can be helpful, and I really like it when people say stuff to me like that - other ways of coming at a problem - usually someone gets upset if they're taking the design personally [16:37] I think a better post would have been - write software to write software, put your heart and soul into it, but don't get pissed off when people don't see things the same way you do [16:37] I made a point to say that the suggestions are probably valid, and that the offered solutions are probably better [16:37] mhall119: you should have written your blog post this way [16:37] neener neener [16:37] it's great to know that, it's great to learn, it's not great trash-bin what you've done for a minor improvement [16:37] meh :) [16:37] I'd not be as good as I am today if I'd stuck with my initial design choices [16:38] and if the change and rewrite ends up being marginal (and it will, sometimes), you live and learn [16:38] I'm not saying stick with it, I'm saying don't dump it [16:38] that's what VCS is for :) [16:38] a rm -rf can make you feel really good about a project again [16:39] I see what you're saying, and I understand - I just disagree :) [16:39] paultag: It'd be like me saying "Your wording on the LEP#2 email could be better, so don't send it" [16:39] mhall119: that'd be fine [16:40] mhall119: and I'd consider not sending it, in order to revise it [16:40] no it wouldn't, because no matter how much you improve your wording, it can always still be better [16:40] at some point you have to say "Yeah, it's not perfect, but it's good enough to do anyway" [16:40] which was my whole point, good enough is better than nothing [16:41] mhall119: true, but at a point you can just do it, we don't disagree there - but to ignore the advice or critisism of someone (esp if they know what they know what they're doing) is tragic [16:41] mhall119: your post made it seem like you should set a path and drive blind [16:41] hmmm, I didn't mean to suggest that people ignore the advice on how to improve things [16:42] that's why I thought it was odd [16:42] just that they shouldn't hold back a contribution just because it could possible be better if [16:42] mhall119: I usually do [16:42] you hold back? [16:42] mhall119: yes, of course [16:42] I'd rather a pristine patch in two weeks then a quick and dirty hack in 2 days [16:42] so you think that the patches you do submit are perfect? [16:42] any day of the week [16:43] mhall119: no, but I think they are pristine and tidy [16:43] I tend to not submit sub-par patches [16:43] your 2 week patches could be made better too, should you wait on a 4 week patch? or a 6 month patch? [16:43] there are exceptions, of course, and note I don't say perfect [16:43] mhall119: I said pristine, not perfect [16:43] clean, correct and complete [16:43] then we're talking 2 different things [16:43] I don't think so [16:44] then you're lying to yourself, I think, about the actual quality of what you submit [16:44] I hold things back to keep working on them, so that my patch is clean, consistant, correct and complete, rather then release a patch that's not that, i.e. sub-par (but may be correct and complete) [16:44] mhall119: perhaps [16:44] and I say that with love ;) [16:44] noted :) [16:46] mhall119: actually - I have an example [16:47] mhall119: my fluxbox patch (17 files changed, 1215 insertions, 11 deletions) has been sitting in my queue for about 5 months now. It works, and it's in the repos in the form of it's own project, but it's not perfect. So I have this huge patch that I've not pushed in yet, because it's not up to my standard [16:48] there's a level of standard I'd expect in the codebase, and I'm not going to ruin it because I'm to lazy to refactor [16:50] and on that note, lunch! :) [16:54] paultag: so fluxbox users have been without your contribution for 5 months, is that loss to them worth the benefit they'll get when you eventually do release it? [16:58] (future value) - (present value) - (your time spent refactoring) >= (5 months without present value) [16:58] ? [17:16] mhall119: yes [17:16] mhall119: because they can install it as fbautostart [17:16] but it's not of the standard that's expected in the work "fluxbox" [17:16] it's it's own project with a lower standard then fluxbox [17:17] mhall119: Yes, I did. [17:44] mhall119: http://blog.pault.ag/post/9419992656/project-patch-standards-and-what-they-mean-to-me ♥ [17:44] I think you'll find we agree for the most part [17:47] most likely [17:47] I'll read it when I'm not on my phone :) [17:47] mhall119: it's no problem. I'm just putting that somewhere so I can point someone at it next time I reject a patch :) [18:13] OH GOD. https://docs.google.com [18:19] ahahha [18:19] fail [18:19] * AlanBell wonders what is going on [18:20] http://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en [18:21] works for me [18:21] http://www.google.com/appsstatus#rm=1&di=4&hl=en [18:21] AlanBell, Error 404