[00:45] <robert_ancell> RAOF, does bug #602505 look like a standard X problem to you?
[00:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 602505 in lightdm "Support Init, PreSession and PostSession script hooks" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602505
[00:45] <robert_ancell> (aside from the fact that LightDM doesn't fallback to a failsafe)
[00:45] <robert_ancell> I mean bug #829163
[00:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 829163 in lightdm "Lightdm does not start with nvidia-current driver installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829163
[01:04] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Could be?
[01:04] <robert_ancell> RAOF, I'll rephrase that.  I'm about to reassign that to X, any objections?
[01:05] <RAOF> robert_ancell: With more (or, in fact, any) details it might be clearer.  That could be the result of a broken xorg.conf.
[01:05] <RAOF> robert_ancell: No objections :)(
[01:05] <robert_ancell> RAOF, what is the right package for X again?
[01:05] <RAOF> xorg is where you might want to send it first; that's where the triage queue is.
[01:27] <bryceh> yeah sort of silly to file a bug that X doesn't work when an xorg.conf is specified, and not include said xorg.conf.
[04:02] <robert_ancell> RAOF, does /etc/gdm/failsafeXServer no longer exist?
[04:05] <RAOF> robert_ancell: As far as I can tell, no, it doesn't exist.
[04:05] <robert_ancell> RAOF, so failsafe is completely broken at the moment?
[04:05] <RAOF> robert_ancell: /usr/share/xdiagnose/failsafeXServer is probabyl what you're after?
[04:05] <robert_ancell> Then this might be out of date /etc/init/failsafe-x.conf
[04:07] <RAOF> I don't have such a file.
[04:07] <robert_ancell> RAOF, in x11-common?
[04:08] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Nope, not here.
[04:09] <robert_ancell> oh, must be legacy.  I removed the file and reinstalled x11-common and it disappeared
[05:15] <tjaalton> robert_ancell, RAOF: looks like that file needs to be cleaned on x11-common upgrade
[05:16] <tjaalton> it already does that for a bunch of files, but that seems to have been left out
[05:16] <jasoncwarner_> hey RAOF , any word yet from tseliot and nvidia?
[05:27] <RAOF> jasoncwarner_: He's done some preliminary checking to ensure it's something nvidia will accept as their fault (and not caused by something we do strangely, like the grub bootsplash stuff).
[05:28] <RAOF> jasoncwarner_: Hm.  Perhaps that wasn't totally well worded.  He's raising it with nvidia :).  And, in the meantime, I've pointed DBO at a dbus interface he can use to work around the problem.
[05:28] <jasoncwarner_> :)
[05:28] <jasoncwarner_> aight...thanks!
[05:40] <pitti> Good morning
[05:41]  * pitti yawns -- sleep would help!
[05:51] <pitti> Sweetshark: sorry about bug 834178, seems this collided with yesterday's postgresql update :(
[05:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 834178 in libreoffice-l10n "next libreoffice ftbfs (all archs)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834178
[06:21] <BigWhale> Morning
[06:29] <tkamppeter> RAOF, thanks. Can you split icc-profiles-free appropriately into two binary packages?
[06:35] <jbicha> ricotz: good morning, looks like gnome-shell still FTBFS on ARM
[06:46] <ricotz> jbicha, hello, yes :\
[06:47] <ricotz> bigon, could you take a look at this http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/gnome-shell/gnome-shell_3.1.4-0ubuntu2.debdiff
[07:09] <glatzor_> morning pitti, how can I avoid that apport picks up a DBusException in a python service raised for the client?
[07:10] <pitti> glatzor_: there is no easy way to do this right now
[07:10] <pitti> I noticed the same in Jockey, I used return codes instead
[07:15] <BigWhale> uhmm, did firefox (or better, flash) stopped using PulseAudio for sound?
[07:16] <BigWhale> because youtube is sending sound to my headphones and pulseaudio is sending it to my speakers
[07:24] <tkamppeter> Big improvement: I could log in on the desktop without getting any crash message! But I had to log in through gdm, lightdm still does not start.
[07:26] <Sweetshark> morning all (not a good one so far for me it seems)
[07:26] <pitti> hey Sweetshark
[07:26] <pitti> Sweetshark: the joy of beta freeze rush :/
[07:26]  * pitti hugs Sweetshark
[07:27] <Sweetshark> pitti: nah, I am guilty alone on that one alone.
[07:27] <pitti> I swear, I'll sleep at least 10 hours on the weekend
[07:28] <pitti> Sweetshark: btw, I tried to IRC/call you last night -- the upload had a release target of "UNRELEASED"
[07:28] <Sweetshark> pitti: I am still flappergasted that that one didnt show up on my local builds.
[07:28] <pitti> Sweetshark: I hit the .changes over the head and hand-edited it
[07:28] <pitti> Sweetshark: you might still have had libpq-dev 9.0?
[07:30] <Sweetshark> pitti: cant be, I didnt update but the local build after the failed upload failed too.
[07:33] <Sweetshark> anyway: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=commit;h=e98b13ea9a5c8099bdf13e1e6dc4d175ce8cff77 and http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=commit;h=77e0cb8f863fad1b29b03f97c59ed53f6577c964 should fix it, but I didnt try to package it again as doing that after 2 am local ist just the way to doom
[07:35] <pitti> ah, good
[07:35] <BigWhale> Can someone with multiple audio cards check where Flash outputs its sound?
[07:36] <BigWhale> after an upgrade today, Flash is not using pulse audio, or so it seems
[07:43] <pitti> TheMuso: still here?
[07:43] <Sweetshark> pitti: anyway, thanks for helping me breaking main even harder :/
[07:43] <pitti> Sweetshark: it fails worse with libpq 9.1?
[07:44] <pitti> sorry, that wasn't intended
[07:44]  * Sweetshark tries to do the packaging very carefully ...
[07:45] <Sweetshark> pitti: nah, you are not guilty in any onther way that uploading the package as requested ...
[07:45] <pitti> heh
[07:45] <pitti> Sweetshark: fortunately -l10n failed the same way, otherwise we'd have a lot of uninstallability right now
[07:47] <Sweetshark> pitti: we shouldnt build the sdbc-postgresql stuff at all yet -- that was half done ongoing work by _rene_ (which is ok, because his packages are still unreleased).
[07:52] <Sweetshark> pitti: should the changes file be generated including the changelog entries from the last (failed) upload?
[07:52] <Sweetshark> pitti: i.e. -v3.4.1-4ubuntu1?
[07:52] <pitti> Sweetshark: no, just the most recent upload
[07:52] <Sweetshark> k
[07:53] <pitti> -v is only necessary for SRUs when you stack several on top of each other, or for merges
[07:53] <pitti> but the previous version hit oneiric-changes@, so no need to repeat it again
[07:54] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[07:54] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, where did my forward button go in firefox??!
[07:55] <rickspencer3> hi chrisccoulson good morning
[07:55] <chrisccoulson> hi rickspencer3, how are you?
[07:56] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, doing pretty well
[07:56] <rickspencer3> it's been a bit quiet
[07:56] <rickspencer3> (which is a nice change ;) )
[07:56] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[07:56] <rickspencer3> how about you?
[07:56] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, yeah, i'm good thanks
[07:58] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[07:58] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[07:58] <rickspencer3> good morning pitti
[07:58] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti
[07:59] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, so the forward button is now gone in firefox, and only appears once you navigate with the back button
[07:59] <chrisccoulson> weird :/
[07:59] <seb128> hey
[08:00] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:00] <seb128> hey pitti, how are you?
[08:00] <pitti> tired
[08:00] <pitti> took me until 1:30 am to figure out ubiquity
[08:00] <seb128> stop working 19 hours a day!!!
[08:00] <pitti> but I have it mostly nailed now
[08:00] <jbicha> chrisccoulson: which FF version are you using?
[08:00] <pitti> one bug in pygobject which has an easy workaround, and two fixes in ubiquity that I pushed into a branch
[08:00] <chrisccoulson> jbicha, nightly
[08:00] <seb128> pitti, great, at least you got somewhere ;-)
[08:00] <seb128> hey jbicha
[08:00] <pitti> but at this point we'll do the update post beta-1
[08:00] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[08:00] <seb128> how are you?
[08:01] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, i'm good thanks. how are you?
[08:01] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[08:01] <jbicha> seb128: howdy
[08:05] <chrisccoulson> seb128 will be pleased with more UI elements being hidden in firefox ;)
[08:08] <pitti> now, off to reducing the stuff in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs?orderby=-importance&field.milestone%3Alist=39143
[08:08] <glatzor_> pitti, hello, I prepared some bugfixes in lp:~glatzor/aptdaemon/ubuntu-oneiric Could you upload them since mvo is off?
[08:08] <pitti> glatzor_: sure
[08:09] <pitti> glatzor_: it doesn't refer to bugs, is that important for beta-1/
[08:09] <pitti> ?
[08:09] <pitti> glatzor_: erm, actually he did upload it
[08:09] <pitti>  aptdaemon | 0.43+bzr676-0ubuntu1 |       oneiric | source, all
[08:09] <pitti> which is what's in bzr currently
[08:11] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, you closed the wncksync task in bug 829778. i opened that because we want it removed from the archive
[08:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 829778 in glib2.0 "Breaks everything because of an API break in glib" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829778
[08:11] <glatzor_> pitti, I haven't yet merged my branch in the ubuntu-oneiric branch, see lp:~glatzor/aptdaemon/ubuntu-oneiric
[08:12] <pitti> glatzor_: ah, sorry
[08:14] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I don't mind ui element being hidden, I do mind copy or urls leading to something that can't be clicked ;-)
[08:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you add the gvfs-bin recommends btw?
[08:15] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i didn't. do you want me to do that?
[08:15] <seb128> pitti, I will spend some time today on ftfbs, nbs, and milestoned bugs cleaning btw
[08:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson, if you want sure ;-)
[08:15] <pitti> seb128: yay
[08:18] <chrisccoulson> nice! i can plan for P already - http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2011/08/every_six_weeks.html ;)
[08:19] <micahg> chrisccoulson: firefox 11 and a 0-day firefox 12 for P apparently :)
[08:21] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, sorry; will do
[08:22] <pitti> chrisccoulson: liblauncher rdepends on wncksync, can this go, too?
[08:23] <pitti> only rdepends is netbook-launcher-efl
[08:23] <pitti> suppose that could go as well
[08:24] <seb128> ogra_, ^
[08:24] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, it's currently uninstallable anyway
[08:24] <seb128> pitti, it was only kept for armel iirc
[08:24] <pitti> I thought only kept if someone wanted to work on it?
[08:24] <seb128> check with ogra_ but I guess we can drop those with unity-2d
[08:24] <chrisccoulson> i must admit, i didn't check the rdepends on wncksync, i just assumed that it was obsolete and that nobody uses it ;)
[08:25] <pitti> I dropped wncksync and liblauncher, keeping -efl for interested parties
[08:25] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[08:26] <pitti> glatzor_: merged; the changelog doesn't look beta-1 critical, is it?
[08:27] <glatzor_> pitti, right. sorry I just realized the freeze. it is ok to wait.
[08:27] <pitti> glatzor_: ok, great; uploading now
[08:27] <pitti> glatzor_: pushed/uploaded
[08:27] <glatzor_> thanks Pici
[08:27] <glatzor_> thanks pitti
[08:30] <pitti> seb128: I suppose bug 805063  should move to beta-2 now?
[08:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 805063 in unity-2d "[dash] preferred applications are not stored in GConf anylonger" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/805063
[08:30] <huats> morning
[08:30] <seb128> pitti, yes
[08:31] <pitti> chrisccoulson: for bug 804397, what's the final resolution? add the recommends to gvfs?
[08:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 804397 in xdg-utils "xdg-open depends on gnome-open, but it's not on the CD" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804397
[08:31] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, that's the plan
[08:31] <pitti> chrisccoulson: is the bug description obsolete then? It says gnome-open is missing
[08:32] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, that's obsolete
[08:32] <seb128> pitti, the title should be "on gvfs-open or gnome-open, but neither is on the CD"
[08:33] <seb128> well it's not obsolete
[08:33] <seb128> it's still an issue than installing xdg-utils gives you a broken xdg-open
[08:34] <seb128> but if we get gvfs-bin on the CD the bug becomes a low importance one
[08:34] <seb128> still a bug though
[08:39] <seb128> pitti, how much stable we need to be today? i.e should I refrain from small bug fix updates (like making packages use dh_translations when they don't)?
[08:39] <seb128> or small bug fixes
[08:39] <pitti> today is still fine for unintrusive fixes
[08:39] <seb128> or are those ok?
[08:39] <pitti> and also for milestoned ones
[08:39] <seb128> ok, thanks
[08:40] <pitti> we just want to peer-review them in the queue
[08:40] <seb128> gotcha
[08:40] <seb128> pitti, do you want me to review a bug list to help you a bug?
[08:40] <seb128> the canonical team assigned one maybe?
[08:41] <pitti> chrisccoulson: bug 804397 updated, are you working on an upload?
[08:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 804397 in gvfs "xdg-open depends on gnome-open, but it's not on the CD" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804397
[08:41] <pitti> seb128: I'm currently walking through the desktopish ones on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs?orderby=-importance&field.milestone%3Alist=39143
[08:41] <chrisccoulson> pitti - https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/gvfs/lp804397
[08:41] <pitti> seb128: if you want to work on the "missing translations" ones, that sounds great
[08:42] <chrisccoulson> i can't upload gvfs, or push to the bzr branch :(
[08:42] <pitti> it'll help translators if we do it earlier
[08:42] <seb128> pitti, ok, doing that then, thanks
[08:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: sponsiring.l.
[08:42] <pitti> gosh, typing
[08:42] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks
[08:42] <chrisccoulson> heh
[08:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson, can you email cjwatson? gvfs should be in the desktop set (I'm suprised it's not in fact)
[08:53] <ogra_> seb128, pitti, chrisccoulson, no need for keeping efl other than in universe
[08:53] <ogra_> (or anything related to the old launcher
[08:53] <pitti> ogra_: it's in universe, but uninstallable
[08:55] <ogra_> well, from the ubuntu-arm POV its useless
[08:55] <ogra_> so do what you feel like ;)
[08:55] <pitti> I'll remove it then, it's rather useless right now
[08:56] <pitti> and the source is still on launchpad
[08:57] <tjaalton> btw, is there a way to disable unity launcher items from a customized setup?
[08:59] <seb128> tjaalton, what do you mean?
[09:00] <tjaalton> seb128: well, how to disable an entry or to add a new one, but I think I know the answer already
[09:01] <seb128> tjaalton, it's a gsettings key
[09:01] <seb128> tjaalton, but do you want to block a specific program to be added?
[09:01] <seb128> or lock the launcher?
[09:01] <seb128> or force one entry to stay there?
[09:01] <tjaalton> seb128: both I guess
[09:02] <seb128> not sure that's easy to do
[09:02] <seb128> you can probably easily lock the list of favorite
[09:02] <seb128> but block special items not sure
[09:02] <jbicha> right, you should be able to make a setting mandatory
[09:03] <tjaalton> thinking that it's what my ex-colleagues will ask first when they try 12.04 :)
[09:04] <seb128> tjaalton, simply lock the launcher favorites?
[09:04] <tjaalton> seb128: system wide
[09:04] <seb128> tjaalton, what's the goal?
[09:04] <tjaalton> changing the system defaults
[09:04] <seb128> consistent ui? block running of random softwares?
[09:04] <pitti> seb128: so should we reintroduce the older gnome-menus with a new source package to provide the old ABI/python-gmenu again?
[09:04] <tjaalton> for instance the software center is useless on a classroom computer, where people can't install anything
[09:04] <seb128> tjaalton, ok, custom default config is trivial, just ship an override for that gsettings key with your list
[09:05] <tjaalton> seb128: yeah, that's what I thought, thanks
[09:05] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hello Martin, I've thought about yesterday's talk about LC_MESSAGES etc., and I think I have an idea how to deal with it when setting variables instead of setting and unsetting back and forth. Will write a couple of MPs.
[09:05] <seb128> pitti, so we basically need the old lib and the python binary? not the dev?
[09:06] <pitti> seb128: right, and not the gnome-menus binary
[09:06] <pitti> seb128: well, we need libgnome-menu-dev, too
[09:06] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/libgnome-menu-dev
[09:06] <pitti> there's a bunch of depends still
[09:07] <seb128> pitti, do you want me to work on that?
[09:07] <pitti> I think gnome-shell probably wants to move to libgnome-menu-3-dev, though?
[09:07] <pitti> seb128: if you have some time, that'd be appreciated
[09:07] <seb128> pitti, g-s will probably be done for 3.1.5 yes
[09:08] <seb128> jbicha, ^ do you know?
[09:08] <seb128> pitti, ok, can do
[09:08] <pitti> cheers
[09:09] <pitti> ah, langpacks generated, time to test them
[09:09]  * pitti yearning for not-oversized CDs
[09:09] <seb128> pitti, where where where? I want to test them ;-)
[09:09] <pitti> seb128: I'll get you a French build
[09:09] <seb128> danke!
[09:11] <ricotz> pitti, yes, gnome-shell already uses menu-3
[09:11] <pitti> ah, then at least that dependency will go away
[09:11] <pitti> alacarte will probably be removed
[09:11] <pitti> and wncksync went away
[09:12] <ricotz> pitti, do you like to sponsor http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/gnome-shell/gnome-shell_3.1.4-0ubuntu2.debdiff
[09:12] <seb128> pitti, not sure, it got a bunch of commits in git this week
[09:12] <pitti> and there's still a bunch
[09:12] <jbicha> seb128: yes it was ported to the gnome-menus, the real question is why gnome-shell didn't bother releasing a 3.1.5
[09:12] <pitti> ricotz: can't right now, but a little later; queueing
[09:12] <ricotz> pitti, alright :)
[09:14] <pitti> ricotz: why did you drop libpolkit-agent-1-dev b-dep?
[09:16] <ricotz> pitti, i didnt
[09:16] <pitti> ricotz: ah, misread, sorry
[09:22] <pitti> ricotz: uploaded
[09:22] <ricotz> pitti, thanks
[09:24] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hi Sebastien, any idea how to deal with bug 834523?
[09:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 834523 in gnome-control-center "Can't change the keyboard layout from a default install" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834523
[09:24] <seb128> not really, I assigned it to rodrigo
[09:25] <seb128> ideally we could move that tab to the keyboard config capplet
[09:27] <pitti> seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/lp/
[09:27] <seb128> pitti, danke
[09:27] <pitti> evo is translated again
[09:27] <pitti> restarting desktop to check
[09:29] <GunnarHj> seb128: What about the current gnome-keyboard-properties?
[09:30] <pitti> seb128: work fine here; I'll build the sources and upload, so that they are in unapproved
[09:45] <seb128> pitti, does "gnome-menus2" works as a name for you?
[09:45] <pitti> sure; it's just temporary, I'm not picky
[09:46] <seb128> pitti, ok, uploaded
[09:46] <seb128> pitti, should be in new in 3 minutes
[09:49] <GunnarHj> seb128: As I mentioned yesterday, I'd like to see https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/gnome-control-center/langfix/+merge/72792 in b1, but haven't seen Rodrigo around today. Can you possibly sponsor that MP?
[09:52] <seb128> GunnarHj, can you put it down on the sponsoring section of http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/oneiric-desktop
[09:56] <ricotz> pitti, sorry, but gnome-shell sticks in the queue and needs to be approved
[09:57] <pitti> ricotz: yeah, will get to it, still fiddlign langpacsk
[09:57] <pitti> erk typing
[09:57] <ricotz> pitti, no problem, ty
[09:59] <seb128> pitti, ok, sorry, gnome-menus really uploaded with the orig this time
[10:03] <seb128> pitti, langpack update works fine for me
[10:03] <pitti> seb128: merci
[10:05] <seb128> pitti, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=gnome-menus2
[10:05] <pitti> seb128: will look in a bit, thanks
[10:05] <seb128> yw
[10:05] <pitti> last langpacks are uploading
[10:32] <pitti> chrisccoulson: can you please have a look at the beta-1 items on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-default-email-client and close/postpone/move them to b2 as appropriate?
[10:34] <pitti> RAOF: at this point I guess we have decided to keep nouveau 3d?
[10:35] <pitti> RAOF: "[raof] Evaluate whether to retain nouveau 3d, some time after kernel freeze: TODO"
[10:36] <pitti> RAOF: I assume this is "DONE" and we'Re goign to keep it; please flip back if that's still open
[10:37] <chrisccoulson> pitti - sure
[10:37] <chrisccoulson> urgh, the glib build timed out :/
[10:37] <chrisccoulson> ^^ seb128
[10:37] <pitti> uh, that again?
[10:37] <pitti> we might do a retry
[10:37] <seb128> yeah, retry it
[10:38] <seb128> testsuite hang again?
[10:38] <seb128> desrt will cry
[10:38] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, seems to be
[10:38] <seb128> can you save the build log?
[10:38] <seb128> in case desrt wants to see it
[10:38] <pitti> kicked
[10:38] <pitti> oh argh
[10:38] <pitti> sorry
[10:38] <bryceh> pitti, yeah there's been a deafening silence for 3d issues with nouveau.  seems pretty solid
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i've saved that
[10:39] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks
[10:39] <seb128> pitti, no worry ^
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> i had it open in my browser ;)
[10:39] <pitti> ah, good
[10:41] <pitti> chrisccoulson: "drop version specific install path from firefox (/usr/lib/firefox-5.0) so that defaults packages don't break with every update" -> moving that to b2
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, i'll probably end up doing that slightly differently, and just giving you a stable path for the distribution.ini
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> that's all you need isn't it?
[10:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: right
[10:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: what was wrong with /usr/lib/firefox/ ?
[10:48] <pitti> hm, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-dx-o-compiz looks a little thin
[10:49] <pitti> dbarth: ^ do you know what the purpose of this was?
[10:51] <seb128> pitti, it was the compiz work for the o cycle
[10:51] <seb128> pitti, the spec is mostly done now, unitydialog and gsettings got deferred
[10:51] <pitti> seb128: right, but "provide a tested tarball" isn't very clear
[10:51] <pitti> the gsettings migration is
[10:51] <pitti> ok, so "tested tarball: done", "gsettings: postponed"?
[10:51] <seb128> pitti, it was "get a tarball with the new things"
[10:51] <seb128> pitti, yes
[10:51] <pitti> thanks
[10:52] <seb128> yw
[10:52] <dbarth> pitti: checking
[10:52] <pitti> dbarth: ^ seb128 just answered
[10:52] <dbarth> yes, most of that has been deferred
[10:53] <dbarth> i updated the bp
[10:54] <pitti> ah, me too; but your's should be more precise
[10:54] <pitti> chrisccoulson: "Evaluate moon build-depend on xulrunner-dev, switch to firefox-dev if appropriate or drop"
[10:54] <pitti> chrisccoulson: that's marked as "blocked"; what's the blocker here?
[10:54] <chrisccoulson> pitti - bug 798941
[10:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 798941 in moon "moon FTBFS in oneiric with libav 0.7" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/798941
[10:54] <pitti> seems moon has zero rdepends in oneiric
[10:54] <pitti> so we could remove it
[10:55] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it seems people aren't that bothered about fixing it
[10:55] <Laney> kill it lots and hard
[10:55] <pitti> can I kill, can I kill?
[10:56] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ^
[10:56] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, feel free
[10:56]  * pitti locks and loads
[10:57] <pitti> chrisccoulson: closed bug and WI
[10:58] <chrisccoulson> excellent, thanks
[10:58] <pitti> need to get our WIs down, so I'm cleaning up
[10:58] <Laney> 49 packages?
[10:59] <pitti> Laney: yes, that includes all binaries times all arches
[10:59] <Laney> ah, makes sense
[11:10] <tjaalton> hrm, is there a bug about 'alt' opening some kind of a switcher, breaking alt-arrow?
[11:11] <Sweetshark> pitti: libreoffice_3.4.2-2ubuntu2_source.changes ready for upload (l10n is still testbuilding)
[11:11] <pitti> Sweetshark: yippie
[11:14] <pitti> Checksum doesn't match for /home/pitti/libreoffice_3.4.2-2ubuntu2.debian.tar.gz
[11:14] <pitti> erm, what?
[11:14] <Sweetshark> hmm
[11:15] <pitti> hang on
[11:15] <jbicha> oh you killed moonlight?
[11:16] <Sweetshark> pitti: arrgh, I did a bin build after the source build. mom, Ill upload the original.
[11:16] <jbicha> some people use that but I guess they can get it from the website
[11:17] <pitti> jbicha: yeah; FTBFS, using old xulrunner, nobody wanting to fix it
[11:19] <pitti> Sweetshark: uploaded
[11:19] <Sweetshark> pitti: thanks
[11:19] <pitti> Sweetshark: want me to wait with l10n?
[11:20] <jbicha> yeah, it's fine, the Desktop Guide actually mentions Moonlight so we'll just have to redirect users to the web
[11:20] <Sweetshark> pitti: yes
[11:20] <Sweetshark> pitti: pferde apotheke kotzen
[11:20] <pitti> Sweetshark: hm, must be some north German joke?
[11:21]  * pitti -> lunch, bbl
[11:21] <Sweetshark> pitti: http://www.sprichworte-und-zitate.de/ich-habe-schon-pferde-vor-der-apotheke-374/
[11:22] <pitti> Sweetshark: ah, heh :)
[11:28] <glatzor_> pitti, I have got another apport issue. Aptdaemon forks to apply the changes. it seems that if the child crashes (tiggered by a dpkg failure) an apport report is created for the crashed child
[11:28] <glatzor_> pitti, lp: #834379
[11:28] <glatzor_> pitti, the bug has so many duplicates that launchpad cannot handle opening the master bug page anymore :)
[11:51] <tjaalton> seriously, anyone running the current unity?-)
[11:51] <tjaalton> alt-arrow doesn't work anymore
[11:52] <tjaalton> sorry, ctrl-alt-arrow
[11:52] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: argh, you're right
[11:52] <tjaalton> \o/
[11:54] <soren> Works for me, but I've got sort of a frankendesktop thing going on here, I guess.
[11:55] <soren> Oh, and I seem to be lagging behind on updates. /ignore me
[11:56] <tjaalton> heh
[11:57] <tjaalton> mouse shortcuts for moving are broken as well
[11:58] <soren> Oh dear.
[11:58] <soren> That's going to suck.
[11:59] <mdeslaur> pitti: I have a package ready to upload to fix bug 824188
[11:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 824188 in gnome-settings-daemon "screen does not lock when closing lid until after you open lid again" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/824188
[12:05] <seb128> tjaalton, works for me on my 2 boxes with normal accounts and guest session
[12:05] <seb128> mdeslaur, upload
[12:05] <mdeslaur> seb128: thanks
[12:05] <seb128> mdeslaur, they will review it from the queue, bug fixes are fine today
[12:05] <tjaalton> seb128: 4.10.2?
[12:06] <seb128> tjaalton, yes, I did package it, I made sure to test it before uploading and the archive version once it built ;-)
[12:06] <tjaalton> oh you did ;)
[12:06] <ricotz> seb128, hi, i updated vala to 0.13.3 (see pad) is there a FFe bug needed?
[12:07] <seb128> ricotz, hey, no, not sure if they will let it in before beta1 or not though, to check with pitti
[12:07] <seb128> ricotz, but thanks
[12:08] <ricotz> seb128, ok, you pinged him now, so might take a look
[12:09] <seb128> ricotz, well in any case we can just upload, if it's not ok it willl sit in the queue until after beta1
[12:09] <seb128> thanks for the work, I will review it later today
[12:09] <ricotz> seb128, alright, it is a simple uupdate, no other changes needed
[12:14] <pitti> re
[12:14] <pitti> tjaalton: I use ctrl+alt+arrow to switch workspaces, works here
[12:14] <tjaalton> tjaalton: me too, doesn't work on my own sessions on two machines, guest session _is_ fine
[12:15] <tjaalton> if I press alt, I get the switcher
[12:15] <pitti> glatzor_: ah, so the child is intended to throw an exception?
[12:15] <pitti> glatzor_: we could add a package hook to just ignore SystemErrors thrown by aptdaemon, would that help?
[12:18] <seb128> tjaalton, stop talking to yourself ;-)
[12:18] <tjaalton> ok, if "key to flip through windows in the switcher" has the default value (<Alt>grave), it's broken
[12:18] <tjaalton> seb128: ^:)
[12:18] <seb128> tjaalton, did you change the launcher key to alt in ccsm?
[12:18] <tjaalton> if I disable that shortcut, things work
[12:19] <seb128> tjaalton, talk to DBO when he comes online
[12:19] <tjaalton> so, maybe it depends on your keymap? what the heck is grave anyway, in this context
[12:19] <seb128> it's his doing
[12:19] <seb128> it's supposed to be the key on top of tab
[12:19] <tjaalton> ok will do
[12:19] <seb128> but I think he didn't get the smart logic for that yet
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[12:19] <seb128> so it's the key on top of tab on an us layout :p
[12:19] <tjaalton> why of course :)
[12:20] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: ^ can you verify?
[12:21] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: sorry, you want me to verify what exactly?
[12:22] <mdeslaur> as soon as I press ant, I get the window switcher
[12:22] <mdeslaur> s/ant/alt/
[12:22] <glatzor_> pitti, the main process could also be killed by a SystemError. Unluckily python-apt uses SystemErrors for all exceptions
[12:22] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: if you have ccsm installed, try disabling the shortcut I mentioned
[12:22] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: from unity switcher settings
[12:22] <seb128> tjaalton, could you open a bug?
[12:22] <tjaalton> seb128: sure!
[12:23] <seb128> thanks
[12:23] <tjaalton> what does 'grave' the symbol look like?
[12:23] <tjaalton> oh wait
[12:23] <tjaalton> I have a laptop with us layout
[12:23] <mdeslaur> I'm trying to find it in ccsm
[12:24] <seb128> mdeslaur, unity, second tab, bottom option
[12:25] <glatzor_> pitti, is there a way in the package-hooks to ignore crashes?
[12:26] <mdeslaur> even if I disable that, as soon as I hit ctrl-alt, the window switcher appears
[12:26] <mdeslaur> of course, ccsm is crashing, so I don't know if it actually does save the session
[12:26] <seb128> it should apply when you change the setting
[12:26] <pitti> glatzor_: the main one is report['UnreportableReason'] = 'explanation'
[12:27] <seb128> does it work in a guest session? if you don't mind redoing your setting, unity --reset
[12:27] <mdeslaur> seb128: ok, well, it's "disabled" now, and I still can't ctrl-alt-arrow
[12:27] <pitti> glatzor_: as we present it as a crash, we need to explain why it suddenly isn't one
[12:27] <pitti> it's a little awkward, we can't prevent the crash from being reported right away, short of not throwing an exception in the first place
[12:28] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: when you disabled that, your alt key doesn't immediately bring up the window switcher anymore?
[12:28] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: no, it's enough to fix it for me
[12:28] <tjaalton> though I don't understand why a guest session would be fine
[12:28] <mdeslaur> ok, it's not enough for me
[12:28] <tjaalton> since it's the same layout there
[12:28] <seb128> did any of you want to try unity --reset?
[12:29] <glatzor_> pitti, so the user stil gets the dialog?
[12:29] <seb128> it will reset your compiz config
[12:29] <pitti> glatzor_: yes
[12:29] <seb128> including keybindings
[12:29] <pitti> glatzor_: we haven't had such a special case so far; I guess we need to invent something to prevent reports in these case
[12:29] <mdeslaur> seb128: after a unity --reset, just pressing alt still brings up the window switcher
[12:30] <seb128> glatzor_, pitti: or get the software to catch the signal?
[12:30] <seb128> mdeslaur, ok, talk to DBO when he joins please ;-)
[12:30] <pitti> that's a little tricky, the dbus server tosses it out there, dbus marshalls it, and the client gets it passed
[12:30] <pitti> so the client has to intercept it, but the server still appears to throw an exception
[12:31] <pitti> glatzor_: I wonder whether it would generally be a good idea to ignore DBusExceptions
[12:31] <pitti> as they will usually be marshalled and sent client-wards
[12:31] <pitti> hm, but then we'd miss clients who don't handle them properly
[12:32] <pitti> damn, unity just FTBFSed again on armel
[12:32] <pitti> dbarth ^
[12:32] <pitti> that causes unity-2d to be uninstallable
[12:32] <glatzor_> pitti, I can live with the few bug reports about valid DBusExceptions currently that I get for aptdaemon and session-installer
[12:32] <tjaalton> no 'grave' in fi, but dead_grave
[12:33] <glatzor_> pitti, but the forked child produces several duplicates a day
[12:33] <soren> mdeslaur: I have the same problem as you.
[12:33] <mdeslaur> soren: as soon as you press alt, the switcher pops up?
[12:33] <soren> mdeslaur: Yes.
[12:33] <glatzor_> seb128, but a good idea to just not crash the child. I will have a look into this
[12:33] <soren> mdeslaur: Even after unity --reset.
[12:33] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: you can try disabling the other shortcuts
[12:34] <seb128> try using an us layout?
[12:34] <seb128> just to see if that "fixes" it
[12:34] <pitti> glatzor_: hm, it coudl perhaps just reset sys.excepthook to the default?
[12:34] <tjaalton> I'll try the guest session to see what's going on there
[12:34] <pitti> glatzor_: as we know that we don't want apport reports for crashes in the child, that would disable apport in these
[12:35]  * mdeslaur hates clicking on "keyboard" in system settings just to find out it's not the right place for keyboard layouts
[12:35] <glatzor_> seb128, pitti, Oh, I just checked the code. the child doesn't crash blindly. but calls os._exit(ERROR_CODE)
[12:36] <mdeslaur> seb128: uhm...there's no way to configure the keyboard anymore?
[12:36] <mdeslaur> seb128: language support is now our own thing instead of the upstream one, and there's no keyboard layout tab in it anymore
[12:36] <soren> mdeslaur: I use an applet for that.
[12:36] <seb128> mdeslaur, oh, suck :-( it's bug #834523
[12:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 834523 in gnome-control-center "Can't change the keyboard layout from a default install" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834523
[12:37] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: yep, it's gone
[12:37] <mdeslaur> \o/
[12:37] <tjaalton> but! I know how to make it b0rked for the guest session too
[12:37] <tjaalton> the shortcut works fine, until you touch it
[12:38] <pitti> glatzor_: sys.excepthook = sys.__excepthook__ at the start of the child ought to work
[12:38] <tjaalton> and if you reset to the default, it's broken
[12:38] <soren> mdeslaur: Oh.
[12:38] <tjaalton> "touch it" meaning changing it to something else and then revert to default
[12:38] <soren> mdeslaur: It worked if I disabled the <Alt>grave shortcut.
[12:38] <mdeslaur> soren: you just set it to disabled and it worked?
[12:38] <soren> Yes.
[12:38] <soren> Ah.
[12:39] <tjaalton> I remember playing with the setting some day, trying to make the new alt-tab suit my needs
[12:39] <soren> Iguess that sort of makes sense.
[12:39] <soren> I have no "grave" key.
[12:39] <soren> At all.
[12:39] <pitti> dbarth, seb128: oh, there's even a fix for the ftbfs in bug 834576 -- can we cherrypick this?
[12:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 834576 in unity "ARM FTBFS fix" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834576
[12:39] <tjaalton> but it's a mystery why the laptop has it too, since I haven't done the same there
[12:39] <soren> I have a dead_grave.
[12:39] <pitti> dbarth, seb128: or want me to upload this?
[12:39] <pitti> we really need to get this building to unscrew arm
[12:39] <mdeslaur> oh! it just worked for me now
[12:39] <seb128> pitti, no please don't
[12:39] <soren> mdeslaur: So since it's a non-existent key, it just ignores it, I imagine.
[12:39] <mdeslaur> ok, so setting it to disabled now worked for me
[12:39] <seb128> pitti, cf what I said to janimo before, I'm going to upload with some other selected bug fixes
[12:40] <pitti> seb128: ah, good
[12:40] <seb128> pitti, just waiting for a few fixes to get reviewed and land
[12:40] <mdeslaur> yeah, a french canadian keyboard has no grave either
[12:40] <seb128> pitti, it will be in the next hour
[12:40] <soren> Using grave is also a very poor choice. I doubt very many non-English key maps have that key right there.
[12:40] <kenvandine> good morning everyone
[12:40] <pitti> seb128: ok, as long as you can include this, I'm happy
[12:40] <mdeslaur> seb128: alt-grave = FAIL :P
[12:40] <seb128> tjaalton, mdeslaur, soren: tjaalton said he would open a bug, I will get DBO to look at it when he's online
[12:40] <pitti> hey kenvandine
[12:40] <tjaalton> seb128: guest sessions remains broken even after unity --reset
[12:40] <seb128> pitti, it's planned ;-)
[12:41] <soren> seb128: *hugs*
[12:41] <tjaalton> ok I'll file one now
[12:41] <mdeslaur> seb128: tanks!
[12:41] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: thanks
[12:41] <soren> Oh, this is so much more useful now :)
[12:41] <seb128> mdeslaur, soren, tjaalton: did the issue started with yesterday update for you?
[12:42] <tjaalton> seb128: yes, after I ran todays updates
[12:42] <tjaalton> and rebooted
[12:42] <mdeslaur> seb128: I hadn't noticed, as I mostly use the workspace switcher button with my mouse
[12:42] <soren> seb128: I believe so. it wasn't a problem before my upgrade this morning. I may have been about a day and a half behind on updates.
[12:42] <seb128> ok, thanks
[12:44] <glatzor_> pitti, thanks. reseting the excepthook is a good workaround
[12:45] <pitti> glatzor_: actually, I think it's not just a workaround, but the right thing to do there
[12:47] <seb128> pitti, did you get your theming to break today?
[12:47] <seb128> or others?
[12:47] <pitti> seb128: no, it's actually working again!
[12:48] <seb128> hum, k
[12:48] <seb128> it broke for me ;-)
[12:48] <seb128> will need to look at it
[12:48]  * soren too
[12:51] <glatzor_> pitti, thanks. right.
[12:52] <seb128> pitti, how much do you need to unscrew armel early?
[12:52] <pitti> seb128: it takes some 4 hours to build, then unity-2d
[12:52] <seb128> pitti, or said differently "want an upload now with what we have an maybe an upload in 3 hours with extra bug fixes"?
[12:52] <pitti> seb128: I think we need a built unity-2d on Monday
[12:52] <pitti> seb128: 3 h seems fine
[12:53] <seb128> pitti, ok, so I will wait for the fixes to land rather than doing 2 uploads
[12:54] <tjaalton> soren, mdeslaur, seb128: filed bug 834684
[12:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 834684 in unity "Switcher shortcut to flip through windows breaks on !us layouts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834684
[12:54] <seb128> tjaalton, thanks
[12:55] <dbarth> pitti, seb128: yes, go ahead as a distro patch please
[12:55] <dbarth> i'm commenting to ask the patch to go through the regular code review process
[12:56] <seb128> dbarth, the patch is in trunk already
[12:57] <seb128> dbarth, don't worry, I'm just waiting on some dnd fixes to land before doing the backports
[12:58] <dbarth> ok, cool
[13:01] <GunnarHj> seb128: Added the MP link to the pad (didn't know about the pad)
[13:02] <ricotz> seb128, fyi, i am going to upload totem 3.1.4 to my staging ppa
[13:02] <seb128> GunnarHj, thanks
[13:03] <seb128> ricotz, can you do it in the gnome3 ppa rather?
[13:03] <ricotz> mhh, right, could need some testing before though
[13:04] <ricotz> i will keep in staging for now
[13:04] <glatzor_> pitti, I prepared a new upload in lp:~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/ubuntu-oneiric - also fixed an overflow error
[13:05] <glatzor_> pitti, the test suite doesn't complain about any errors
[13:20] <pitti> YIPPIE YIPPIE YAY!
[13:20] <pitti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20110826.1/
[13:20] <pitti> seb128, chrisccoulson: ^ check out the size
[13:20] <seb128> space \o/
[13:21] <seb128> pitti, what did you do?:!
[13:21] <pitti> seb128: just refreshed the langpacks, to have empty delta ones
[13:21] <seb128> it's down over 10mb
[13:21] <chrisccoulson> pitti - nice!
[13:21] <seb128> seems over what lp should have
[13:21] <seb128> pitti, can we bring pitivi back on? ;-)
[13:21] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, ^^
[13:21] <pitti> glatzor_: darn, forgot to push my release tag last time
[13:21] <m_conley> woo! :)
[13:21] <pitti> glatzor_: but seems you did that for me
[13:22] <m_conley> great job!
[13:24] <pitti> seb128: at some point yes; but let's keep the 4 MB of slack space for the remaining growth until final
[13:24] <seb128> ok
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> hopefully there won't be much more growth ;)
[13:38]  * desrt cries
[13:39] <desrt> chrisccoulson: i was having a good morning.  why did you have to ruin it?
[13:39] <chrisccoulson> heh
[13:39] <chrisccoulson> sorry ;)
[13:40] <desrt> got a log?
[13:43] <chrisccoulson> desrt, the whole build log is here - http://paste.ubuntu.com/675251/
[13:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey ;-)
[13:47] <seb128> ups
[13:47] <seb128> desrt, hey ;-)
[13:47] <chrisccoulson> lol
[13:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, don't get scared I've no work for you :p
[14:14] <pitti> ah, just ordered a new mobile phone
[14:14] <pitti> seems my trusty old G1 has finally broken down :(
[14:14] <pitti> chrisccoulson, kenvandine: ^ but I guess it survived your's by quite a bit
[14:14] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i think my G1 still works
[14:15] <chrisccoulson> i just don't use it anymore ;)
[14:15] <seb128> pitti, which one did you get?
[14:15] <pitti> I can't connect to the network any more, not even for phone
[14:15] <pitti> seb128: Sony Xperia mini pro
[14:15] <pitti> again with a slider keyboard
[14:15] <pitti> http://www.androidhandys.com/2011/05/sony-ericsson-erneuert-xperia-mini-und-xperia-mini-pro/
[14:15] <pitti> seems like a nice device
[14:15] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i miss not having a real keyboard on my handset
[14:16] <kenvandine> pitti, indeed
[14:16] <kenvandine> mine died over a year ago :)
[14:16] <kenvandine> well "died"... i bricked it :)
[14:16] <kenvandine> never flash the radio while holding a sleeping baby
[14:16] <kenvandine> lesson learned
[14:17] <mdeslaur> hehehe
[14:17] <pitti> lol
[14:17] <pitti> I still remember the pain for rooting the g1
[14:17] <pitti> I guess now I need to do it all over again
[14:17] <pitti> or do they lock it down less these days?
[14:18] <mdeslaur> pitti: they've increased the pain level :P
[14:21] <pitti> mdeslaur: http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/how-to-rootunroot-sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-and-x10-mini-with-a-single-click/ doesn't seem very painful
[14:21] <pitti> but let's see
[14:23] <mdeslaur> pitti: oh! If that one still works, that means your model phone hasn't gotten android updates in a while
[14:23] <mdeslaur> cool
[14:23] <pitti> mdeslaur: I don't know -- I just ordered it, will get it next Tuesday or so
[14:24] <pitti> might very well be that 2.3 locks that down (it comes with 2.3)
[14:24] <pitti> Sweetshark: armel FTBFS> doko says that's expected
[14:24] <pitti>  doko | pitti: lo will ftbfs on armel, gcj-4.6 is not yet built
[14:24] <pitti> so I guess we can re-try once gcj is built
[14:25] <pitti> argh, ppc failed, too
[14:26] <Sweetshark> pitti: yes, ppc failed before and I could investigate on the porter box, because I could install deps (they 404'ed in apt)
[14:28] <pitti> ah, the chroot needs an apt-get update, I figure
[14:37] <Sweetshark> pitti: l10n still building here btw
[15:00] <desrt> chrisccoulson: i think this is an issue we've had for a while with that one particular test
[15:00] <desrt> my guess is that it's a bug in the test itself
[15:21] <Sweetshark> pitti: k, I found the issue in the ppc log -- its the same root cause as the armel breaker -- the same fix should work there too.
[15:22] <pitti> Sweetshark: I don't understand -- I thought with this upload armel should build (once gcj lands)?
[15:24] <Sweetshark> yes, the fix is a if-on-armel-dont-do-this-dark-magic fix
[15:24] <pitti> aah
[15:24] <Sweetshark> making that an if-on-armel-or-ppc-dont-do-this-dark-magic fix
[15:24] <Sweetshark> should do
[15:27] <Sweetshark> pitti: fyi http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?h=distro/ubuntu/oneiric-3.4
[15:28] <nxvl> RAOF: still around?
[15:28] <pitti> Sweetshark: it must be a special kind of fun to maintain all these workarounds..
[15:29] <Sweetshark> pitti: Yes, it is a special place in hell.
[15:30] <nxvl> seems, not, so i have an issue with unity, for some reason, when i start unity 3D i get it to kinda open, but it seems to open nautilius and crash or something, i only get a top nautilius menu bar, but not the unity stuff (as in left bar, notification area, etc)
[15:30] <nxvl> is that known bug or my system is spiting at me once again?
[15:32] <nxvl> (unity2D works fine, and i've no idea why i have gnome3 installed and works too)
[15:34] <nxvl> also it seems that it opens network manager, since y get the notification that i'm connected to the wireless, but still no side panels for unity are shown
[15:35] <seb128> mterry, hey
[15:35] <seb128> mterry, could you have a look to bug #834701
[15:35] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 834701 in unity-greeter "greeter regression, no longer allowing flavours to customize the greeter" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834701
[15:35] <pitti> Sweetshark: do you have a rough estimate of -l10n? I'll be AFK in about an hour
[15:40] <cyphermox> seb128: you aware of rodigo's work on folks, disabling libsocialweb backend? I'd like to do a rebuild of folks to get it off the list of NBS for libedataserver, just making sure that disabling is really meant to be uploaded now ;)
[15:43] <Sweetshark> pitti: yes, I have: ETA now. I have a blue bulb in my local jenkins install (read: build success)
[15:43] <pitti> \o/
[15:43] <pitti> Sweetshark: want me to dput?
[15:44] <Sweetshark> pitti: yes
[15:44] <pitti> rockin'
[15:44] <pitti> done
[15:45] <seb128> cyphermox, no I'm not, maybe kenvandine has an opinion
[15:45] <Sweetshark> pitti: since we have already put lo_3.4.2-2ubuntu2 we cant fix ppc without a new upload anyway.
[15:45] <pitti> Sweetshark: right, but we won't need a new -l10n for that, do we?
[15:45] <kenvandine> cyphermox, because nothing really needed it
[15:45] <cyphermox> ok
[15:46] <kenvandine> cyphermox, and it is in universe
[15:46] <cyphermox> fair enough
[15:48] <cyphermox> kenvandine: thanks
[15:49] <kenvandine> cyphermox, np
[15:49] <Sweetshark> pitti: no
[15:50] <Sweetshark> pitti: l10n only builds on i386
[15:50] <pitti> Sweetshark: right, I meant there are no overly strong dependencies of libo to -l10n
[15:51] <Sweetshark> pitti: although, it would break for somebody doing "apt-get source" and try to build l10n
[15:51] <Sweetshark> pitti: hmm, there arent in code, but they might be in the control file
[15:53] <DBO> ping tjaalton
[15:54] <DBO> ping soren
[15:54] <Sweetshark> pitti: no versioned deps on libreoffice-l10n packages from lo source package
[15:56] <rickspencer3> pitti, awesome post on the new retracer
[15:57] <pitti> thanks
[15:58] <pitti> rickspencer3: unfortunately photobomb never crashes, so you can't try it
[15:58] <rickspencer3> lol
[15:58] <rickspencer3> well, I'm working on a new app now
[15:58] <rickspencer3> it will sell at least twice as much as photohomb
[15:59] <rickspencer3> pitti, seb128, I actually have a question for you guys if you have a moment
[15:59] <seb128> hey rickspencer3
[15:59] <pitti> rickspencer3: go ahead; (I'm just in a meeting, so might be a little slow)
[15:59] <rickspencer3> so, I hear through the grapevine that due to the gnome3 transition a lot of apps won'
[15:59] <rickspencer3> t build
[15:59] <rickspencer3> I guess this is in Universe
[16:00] <seb128> rickspencer3, yes
[16:00] <rickspencer3> so, when we get to ship 11.10 what happens with these apps? do they just not show up in sc, are the natty versions in sc?
[16:00] <seb128> rickspencer3, we either fix those or drop those from oneiric
[16:01] <rickspencer3> seb128, do they get dropped automatically, or does someone have to do something to drop them?
[16:01] <seb128> rickspencer3, the archive admins have to clean those
[16:01] <pitti> rickspencer3: we have to drop them manually
[16:01] <rickspencer3> thanks guys
[16:02] <rickspencer3> til
[16:02] <seb128> rickspencer3, yw
[16:05] <seb128> brb
[16:05] <tjaalton> DBO: pong
[16:06] <DBO> tjaalton, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/834684
[16:06] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 834684 in unity "Switcher shortcut to flip through windows breaks on !us layouts" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:06] <DBO> I dont understand what you are trying to describe here
[16:06] <DBO> can you try to explain it to me?
[16:06] <tjaalton> the shortcut '<Alt>grave' doesnt' work
[16:07] <tjaalton> in fact, it breaks other things
[16:07] <tjaalton> since just hitting alt makes the switcher appeear
[16:07] <tjaalton> -a
[16:07] <tjaalton> eh, -e
[16:07] <DBO> so
[16:07] <DBO> if you change the keybinding to say alt-6
[16:07] <tjaalton> it works
[16:07] <DBO> in ccsm
[16:07] <DBO> what does that do?
[16:08] <tjaalton> it changes the shortcut to something that works for me
[16:08] <DBO> okay so the problem is the default?
[16:09] <tjaalton> 'fi' layout doesn't even have grave
[16:09] <tjaalton> right
[16:09] <DBO> right
[16:09] <DBO> can you test trunk when I ask?
[16:09] <tjaalton> of unity?
[16:09] <DBO> yesh
[16:09] <DBO> what is the key above tab on your system btw?
[16:09] <tjaalton> sure, maybe not today though :)
[16:09] <tjaalton> 'section'
[16:09] <DBO> tjaalton, what if I just ask you to download a branch and run a test in it
[16:09] <DBO> so just build and run a test app
[16:10] <DBO> tjaalton, wtf is the section key?
[16:10] <pitti> rickspencer3: blogging> ooh, pygame? nice
[16:10] <tjaalton> DBO: §
[16:10] <DBO> oh okay
[16:11] <rickspencer3> thanks pitti
[16:11] <DBO> tjaalton, so test a simple test program for me then in 20 or 30 minutes
[16:11] <DBO> to confirm that it spits out the section key for you
[16:11] <tjaalton> DBO: ok
[16:11] <tjaalton> but I think it's going to break for others
[16:11] <DBO> tjaalton, I am using xkeyboard to find the key
[16:11] <DBO> using the keyboard geometry
[16:12] <DBO> step 1, find tab key
[16:12] <DBO> step 2, find key above tab key
[16:12] <tjaalton> ok so you can map layout->key
[16:12] <DBO> right, and this way we shouldn't have to worry about different layouts
[16:12] <tjaalton> ah, in the unity code?
[16:12] <DBO> yeah
[16:12] <tjaalton> ok sounds better :)
[16:19] <pitti> good night everyone, have a nice weekend!
[16:20] <seb128> 'night pitti
[16:32] <seb128> mterry, hey
[16:32] <seb128> mterry, did you see my ping before?
[16:33] <mterry> seb128, yah, sorry
[16:33] <seb128> mterry, could you look at bug #833619 also?
[16:33] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 833619 in unity-greeter "unity-greeter crashed with SIGSEGV in FT_Set_Transform()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/833619
[16:45] <DBO> are we getting the background changy thing for the greeter?
[16:49] <mterry> seb128, sorry, realized I didn't ACK you second time either  :)  I'm looking
[16:49] <seb128> mterry, no worry, thanks
[16:50] <seb128> DBO: that's a question for robert_ancell, but good point, I forgot to check with him about it
[17:13] <dbarth> seb128, pitti: with the new langpacks that have been uploaded, can i consider that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/832634 is fixed, except for the uninstalled apps part?
[17:13] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 832634 in unity "Application search results in the dash are not localized" [High,Confirmed]
[17:14] <dbarth> ie, there may still be an issue in how we query the database, but for the rest it seems that the locale settings are set correctly
[17:14] <seb128> dbarth, yes, it's mostly fixed
[17:14] <dbarth> ok
[17:44] <seb128> ok
[17:45] <seb128> if some people got their theming broken in oneiric yersterday you can try to set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings active to true
[17:45] <seb128> it seems to be false for some configs after upgrade
[17:45] <seb128> not sure why
[17:48] <seb128> well, most of the list got unset, weird
[17:51] <seb128> pedro_, hey
[17:52] <seb128> pedro_, could you upstream the few g-c-c and g-s-d segfaults where I added an upstream component?
[17:52] <pedro_> seb128, sure, i'm doing some cleanup there so i'll be sending those after
[17:52] <seb128> pedro_, thanks
[17:52] <pedro_> you're welcome
[18:19] <DBO> tjaalton, present?
[18:23] <tjaalton> DBO: somewhat
[18:23] <DBO> I need you to run a test, it will just print some debug
[18:25] <tjaalton> sure
[18:26] <DBO> tjaalton, lp:~unity-team/unity/unity.keyboard-util
[18:26] <DBO> if oyu pull down that branch and build it (I can help with that if needed)
[18:26] <DBO> there will be a executable in the tests directory
[18:26] <tjaalton> checkout running
[18:26] <DBO> test-keyutil
[18:26] <DBO> if you run that, it should spew a bunch of stuff on your console
[18:26] <tjaalton> 3kB/s, whee
[18:28] <mterry> Just FYI, I have to sign off a tad early today
[18:29] <tjaalton> DBO: ok, cmake.. ?
[18:30] <DBO> tjaalton, mkdir build; cd build; cmake ..
[18:30] <tjaalton> running
[18:30] <DBO> mterry, but how will you work all weekend if you sign off?
[18:31] <mterry> DBO, ssshh
[18:32] <tjaalton> DBO: hm, no output from cmake?
[18:32] <tjaalton> or did it just hang
[18:33] <DBO> you ran "cmake .."
[18:33] <DBO> from inside the build dir right?
[18:33] <tjaalton> yes
[18:33] <DBO> if you do ls
[18:33] <DBO> is there anything?
[18:33] <tjaalton> : tjaalton@nexus6:~/tmp/unity.keyboard-util/build> find
[18:33] <tjaalton> .
[18:33] <tjaalton> ./CMakeFiles
[18:33] <tjaalton> ./CMakeFiles/CMakeOutput.log
[18:33] <tjaalton> ./CMakeFiles/CMakeSystem.cmake
[18:34] <DBO> thats awesome...
[18:34] <chrisccoulson> g'ah, i'm going to have to do another freaking thunderbird upload
[18:34] <tjaalton> :)
[18:34] <tjaalton> yeah it didn't get far
[18:34] <tjaalton> chrisccoulson: yep :)
[18:34] <chrisccoulson> that's another armel builder wasted for a whole day!
[18:35] <DBO> tjaalton, anything interesting in th elog file?
[18:36] <tjaalton> "The system is: Linux - 3.0.0-9-generic - x86_64"
[18:36] <tjaalton> nothing else
[18:37] <DBO> O_o
[18:37] <DBO> tjaalton, sudo apt-get build-dep unity
[18:37] <DBO> make sure we're not missing something...
[18:38] <tjaalton> whoa, a lot of stuff
[18:41] <tjaalton> the same
[18:43] <DBO> are you running amd64?
[18:44] <tjaalton> yes
[18:44] <DBO> hmmm okay hold on
[18:44] <tjaalton> this is where strace stops http://paste.ubuntu.com/675448/
[18:44] <tjaalton> hum
[18:45] <tjaalton> why is there a space in the paths?
[18:45] <DBO> tjaalton, no gcc installed maybe?
[18:45] <DBO> sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[18:45] <tjaalton> is installed
[18:45] <DBO> kk...
[18:45] <DBO> why is it looking for " gcc" on your system
[18:46] <tjaalton> right
[18:46] <DBO> tjaalton, can I see env
[18:46] <tjaalton> hahaha
[18:46] <tjaalton> CC= gcc
[18:46] <tjaalton> why?! :)
[18:47] <DBO> i dont know
[18:47] <tjaalton> ok got it, it's from my zsh setup copied from elsewhere
[18:47] <DBO> fixit?
[18:47] <tjaalton> export CC="$CCACHE gcc"
[18:47] <tjaalton> yes, I'll try in a bit
[18:48] <DBO> Im running out of europeans with funny keyboards
[18:49] <tjaalton> ok built
[18:49] <tjaalton> though it didn't build test-keyutil
[18:51] <DBO> tjaalton, look in build/tests
[18:51] <tjaalton> test-get-transients test-input-remover test-minimize-window-handler
[18:52] <DBO> did you get build errors?
[18:52] <DBO> it should be in there
[18:52] <DBO> you can just go into tests
[18:52] <DBO> and run make
[18:52] <tjaalton> aah
[18:52] <tjaalton> I missed that part
[18:53] <DBO> well normally you dont have to
[18:53] <htorque> the test built fine here
[18:54] <DBO> I think tjaalton has zsh define a bunch of stuff for his env
[18:54] <htorque> DBO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/675458/
[18:54] <htorque> that's for german dead grave acute
[18:55] <DBO> htorque, do those results look correct to you?
[18:55] <DBO> (especially the tab key one)
[18:55] <tjaalton> well cmake complained about gtest and doxygen
[18:55] <kenvandine> disable docs
[18:56] <kenvandine> doxygen is huge
[18:56] <DBO> and install gtest
[18:56] <tjaalton> so if it stops there because of the failures?
[18:56] <tjaalton> I just ran make in tests
[18:56] <tjaalton> it's building now
[18:57] <tjaalton> DBO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/675462/
[18:58] <tjaalton> victory
[18:58] <htorque> well, there are a lot of keys above space :P - yeah, except for ctrl they look good, but that's due to the notebook keyboard layout
[18:58] <DBO> tjaalton, do those results look correct to you
[18:58] <tjaalton> all of them? let me see
[18:58] <DBO> tab especially, but yes all of them
[18:58] <DBO> htorque, whats wrong with the ctrl?
[18:59] <htorque> nothing really, i just have a Fn key below shift_l
[18:59] <htorque> directly above ctrl is "<>|"
[19:00] <DBO> htorque, ah
[19:00] <DBO> but the tab is correct?
[19:00] <tjaalton> yeah same here, but it's close enough
[19:00] <htorque> yes, asciicircum ^
[19:00] <tjaalton> I have a thinkpad usb keyboar
[19:00] <tjaalton> d
[19:00] <htorque> thinkpad here as well
[19:00] <DBO> oh joy
[19:02] <kenvandine> DBO, btw... my slow switcher on my intel desktop is no longer slow
[19:02] <kenvandine> DBO, so thanks!
[19:02] <DBO> htorque, if you want to go the final mile here
[19:02] <DBO> htorque, actually install that branch
[19:02] <DBO> and see if alt-asciicircum works for you
[19:02] <tjaalton> dash fadeout is rather slow on my 965
[19:02] <DBO> kenvandine, i know :)
[19:02] <DBO> tjaalton, how slow?
[19:03] <tjaalton> DBO: I can see the frames
[19:03] <tjaalton> takes a second or so
[19:03] <DBO> how long?
[19:03] <DBO> wow...
[19:03] <tjaalton> didn't measure
[19:03] <DBO> let me see if neil is doing this the dumb way...
[19:03] <tjaalton> not that long I guess :)
[19:03] <htorque> oh noes, i installed it without prefix=/usr >:(
[19:03] <DBO> make uninstall
[19:04] <tjaalton> DBO: thanks for fixing this the right way ;) I'll /away myself and hit the sofa
[19:04] <DBO> tjaalton, thanks for testing
[19:04] <htorque> DBO: will rebuild then, what should alt+^ do?
[19:05] <DBO> you'll see
[19:05] <DBO> its obvious
[19:05] <DBO> just make sure you keep holding alt
[19:05] <DBO> use it like oyu would alt-tab
[19:05] <Sarvatt> something in the unity build-deps is depending on packages that were removed in xcb-utils 3.8.0 and using old packages that shouldn't even be in the archive anymore (they were all merged into libxcb-util0-dev) http://paste.ubuntu.com/675471/
[19:06] <DBO> Sarvatt, poke seb or didrocks about that
[19:11] <DBO> common htorque... tell me it works
[19:11] <htorque> i'd love to, but nothing happens
[19:14] <htorque> DBO: but it looks like it's trying to do something as it's causing full load at one core
[19:14] <DBO> htorque, does alt-tab work?
[19:14] <htorque> yes
[19:14] <DBO> if while alt-tab is open
[19:14] <DBO> you press alt-^
[19:14] <DBO> does that do something?
[19:15] <htorque> nope, not even cause cpu load
[19:15] <DBO> sun of a biscuit...
[19:15] <htorque> let me restart the session
[19:17] <htorque> nothing
[19:18] <DBO> fudge, hold on
[19:23] <seb128> pedro_, still there?
[19:24] <pedro_> seb128, yup!
[19:24] <seb128> pedro_, http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-desktop/recent-package-bugs.html seems buggy
[19:24] <DBO> htorque, still with me?
[19:24] <seb128> pedro_, there is no way unity is under those listed
[19:25] <htorque> DBO: sure
[19:25] <DBO> htorque, almost got something to test
[19:26] <htorque> i wanted to try the branch on a second system, but that is borked ("trunked") right now
[19:26] <htorque> DBO: good, i'm almost compiling it ;)
[19:26] <kenvandine> seb128, what... you think unity has bugs? :-p
[19:26] <seb128> kenvandine, oh, I don't *think*, I *know* it ;-)
[19:26] <pedro_> seb128, unity? you mean you'd like to see it there? we're just tracking the products under 'desktop-packages' team
[19:27] <pedro_> and unity has no bugs of course
[19:27] <pedro_> ;-)
[19:27] <seb128> pedro_, ok, what is the url tracking the desktop-packages list?
[19:27] <seb128> ie gnome, dx and other desktopish?
[19:27] <pedro_> seb128, i've contacted the dx folks so they can create a team just for tracking their products so we can start creating those kind of reports for them
[19:27] <seb128> lol
[19:28] <pedro_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~desktop-packages/+packagebugs
[19:28] <seb128> "contacted dx to get something done"
[19:28] <pedro_> oh well
[19:28] <pedro_> :-)
[19:28] <seb128> you are new there? ;-)
[19:28] <seb128> dx never get anything done
[19:28]  * pedro_ singing la la la 
[19:29] <kenvandine> it's like tedg reading bug mail
[19:43] <DBO> htorque, I dont want you to be stuck waiting
[19:43] <DBO> I cant seem to find the issue right now
[19:44] <htorque> DBO: no worries, i'll be around for a couple of hours
[19:51] <soren> DBO: pong
[19:51] <DBO> soren, nothing now, thanks :)
[21:00] <achiang> hello, is there a gdm branch for natty? debian/control just points to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gdm/ubuntu which is way beyond what natty has
[21:01] <kenvandine> achiang, lp:ubuntu/gdm
[21:01] <kenvandine> whoops
[21:01] <kenvandine> achiang, lp:ubuntu/natty/gdm
[21:01] <achiang> kenvandine: ah! thank you
[21:01] <kenvandine> np
[21:47] <seb128> have a good w.e everyone
[21:48] <seb128> (oh, and just mentioning but I'm on holidays so not there next week)
[22:51] <DBO> anyone still in?
[23:07] <bryceh> DBO, yes, but busy on a project
[23:08] <DBO> you cant do me a code review anyway :(