[00:45] RAOF, does bug #602505 look like a standard X problem to you? [00:45] Launchpad bug 602505 in lightdm "Support Init, PreSession and PostSession script hooks" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602505 [00:45] (aside from the fact that LightDM doesn't fallback to a failsafe) [00:45] I mean bug #829163 [00:45] Launchpad bug 829163 in lightdm "Lightdm does not start with nvidia-current driver installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829163 [01:04] robert_ancell: Could be? [01:04] RAOF, I'll rephrase that. I'm about to reassign that to X, any objections? [01:05] robert_ancell: With more (or, in fact, any) details it might be clearer. That could be the result of a broken xorg.conf. [01:05] robert_ancell: No objections :)( [01:05] RAOF, what is the right package for X again? [01:05] xorg is where you might want to send it first; that's where the triage queue is. [01:27] yeah sort of silly to file a bug that X doesn't work when an xorg.conf is specified, and not include said xorg.conf. [04:02] RAOF, does /etc/gdm/failsafeXServer no longer exist? [04:05] robert_ancell: As far as I can tell, no, it doesn't exist. [04:05] RAOF, so failsafe is completely broken at the moment? [04:05] robert_ancell: /usr/share/xdiagnose/failsafeXServer is probabyl what you're after? [04:05] Then this might be out of date /etc/init/failsafe-x.conf [04:07] I don't have such a file. [04:07] RAOF, in x11-common? [04:08] robert_ancell: Nope, not here. [04:09] oh, must be legacy. I removed the file and reinstalled x11-common and it disappeared [05:15] robert_ancell, RAOF: looks like that file needs to be cleaned on x11-common upgrade [05:16] it already does that for a bunch of files, but that seems to have been left out [05:16] hey RAOF , any word yet from tseliot and nvidia? [05:27] jasoncwarner_: He's done some preliminary checking to ensure it's something nvidia will accept as their fault (and not caused by something we do strangely, like the grub bootsplash stuff). [05:28] jasoncwarner_: Hm. Perhaps that wasn't totally well worded. He's raising it with nvidia :). And, in the meantime, I've pointed DBO at a dbus interface he can use to work around the problem. [05:28] :) [05:28] aight...thanks! [05:40] Good morning [05:41] * pitti yawns -- sleep would help! [05:51] Sweetshark: sorry about bug 834178, seems this collided with yesterday's postgresql update :( [05:51] Launchpad bug 834178 in libreoffice-l10n "next libreoffice ftbfs (all archs)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834178 [06:21] Morning [06:29] RAOF, thanks. Can you split icc-profiles-free appropriately into two binary packages? [06:35] ricotz: good morning, looks like gnome-shell still FTBFS on ARM [06:46] jbicha, hello, yes :\ [06:47] bigon, could you take a look at this http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/gnome-shell/gnome-shell_3.1.4-0ubuntu2.debdiff [07:09] morning pitti, how can I avoid that apport picks up a DBusException in a python service raised for the client? [07:10] glatzor_: there is no easy way to do this right now [07:10] I noticed the same in Jockey, I used return codes instead [07:15] uhmm, did firefox (or better, flash) stopped using PulseAudio for sound? [07:16] because youtube is sending sound to my headphones and pulseaudio is sending it to my speakers [07:24] Big improvement: I could log in on the desktop without getting any crash message! But I had to log in through gdm, lightdm still does not start. [07:26] morning all (not a good one so far for me it seems) [07:26] hey Sweetshark [07:26] Sweetshark: the joy of beta freeze rush :/ [07:26] * pitti hugs Sweetshark [07:27] pitti: nah, I am guilty alone on that one alone. [07:27] I swear, I'll sleep at least 10 hours on the weekend [07:28] Sweetshark: btw, I tried to IRC/call you last night -- the upload had a release target of "UNRELEASED" [07:28] pitti: I am still flappergasted that that one didnt show up on my local builds. [07:28] Sweetshark: I hit the .changes over the head and hand-edited it [07:28] Sweetshark: you might still have had libpq-dev 9.0? [07:30] pitti: cant be, I didnt update but the local build after the failed upload failed too. [07:33] anyway: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=commit;h=e98b13ea9a5c8099bdf13e1e6dc4d175ce8cff77 and http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=commit;h=77e0cb8f863fad1b29b03f97c59ed53f6577c964 should fix it, but I didnt try to package it again as doing that after 2 am local ist just the way to doom [07:35] ah, good [07:35] Can someone with multiple audio cards check where Flash outputs its sound? [07:36] after an upgrade today, Flash is not using pulse audio, or so it seems [07:43] TheMuso: still here? [07:43] pitti: anyway, thanks for helping me breaking main even harder :/ [07:43] Sweetshark: it fails worse with libpq 9.1? [07:44] sorry, that wasn't intended [07:44] * Sweetshark tries to do the packaging very carefully ... [07:45] pitti: nah, you are not guilty in any onther way that uploading the package as requested ... [07:45] heh [07:45] Sweetshark: fortunately -l10n failed the same way, otherwise we'd have a lot of uninstallability right now [07:47] pitti: we shouldnt build the sdbc-postgresql stuff at all yet -- that was half done ongoing work by _rene_ (which is ok, because his packages are still unreleased). [07:52] pitti: should the changes file be generated including the changelog entries from the last (failed) upload? [07:52] pitti: i.e. -v3.4.1-4ubuntu1? [07:52] Sweetshark: no, just the most recent upload [07:52] k [07:53] -v is only necessary for SRUs when you stack several on top of each other, or for merges [07:53] but the previous version hit oneiric-changes@, so no need to repeat it again [07:54] good morning everyone [07:54] hmmmm, where did my forward button go in firefox??! [07:55] hi chrisccoulson good morning [07:55] hi rickspencer3, how are you? [07:56] chrisccoulson, doing pretty well [07:56] it's been a bit quiet [07:56] (which is a nice change ;) ) [07:56] heh :) [07:56] how about you? [07:56] rickspencer3, yeah, i'm good thanks [07:58] hey chrisccoulson [07:58] hey rickspencer3 [07:58] good morning pitti [07:58] hi pitti [07:59] hmmm, so the forward button is now gone in firefox, and only appears once you navigate with the back button [07:59] weird :/ [07:59] hey [08:00] bonjour seb128 [08:00] hey pitti, how are you? [08:00] tired [08:00] took me until 1:30 am to figure out ubiquity [08:00] stop working 19 hours a day!!! [08:00] but I have it mostly nailed now [08:00] chrisccoulson: which FF version are you using? [08:00] one bug in pygobject which has an easy workaround, and two fixes in ubiquity that I pushed into a branch [08:00] jbicha, nightly [08:00] pitti, great, at least you got somewhere ;-) [08:00] hey jbicha [08:00] but at this point we'll do the update post beta-1 [08:00] hey chrisccoulson [08:00] how are you? [08:01] hi seb128, i'm good thanks. how are you? [08:01] I'm fine thanks [08:01] seb128: howdy [08:05] seb128 will be pleased with more UI elements being hidden in firefox ;) [08:08] now, off to reducing the stuff in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs?orderby=-importance&field.milestone%3Alist=39143 [08:08] pitti, hello, I prepared some bugfixes in lp:~glatzor/aptdaemon/ubuntu-oneiric Could you upload them since mvo is off? [08:08] glatzor_: sure [08:09] glatzor_: it doesn't refer to bugs, is that important for beta-1/ [08:09] ? [08:09] glatzor_: erm, actually he did upload it [08:09] aptdaemon | 0.43+bzr676-0ubuntu1 | oneiric | source, all [08:09] which is what's in bzr currently [08:11] pitti - oh, you closed the wncksync task in bug 829778. i opened that because we want it removed from the archive [08:11] Launchpad bug 829778 in glib2.0 "Breaks everything because of an API break in glib" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829778 [08:11] pitti, I haven't yet merged my branch in the ubuntu-oneiric branch, see lp:~glatzor/aptdaemon/ubuntu-oneiric [08:12] glatzor_: ah, sorry [08:14] chrisccoulson, I don't mind ui element being hidden, I do mind copy or urls leading to something that can't be clicked ;-) [08:15] chrisccoulson, did you add the gvfs-bin recommends btw? [08:15] seb128, i didn't. do you want me to do that? [08:15] pitti, I will spend some time today on ftfbs, nbs, and milestoned bugs cleaning btw [08:15] chrisccoulson, if you want sure ;-) [08:15] seb128: yay [08:18] nice! i can plan for P already - http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2011/08/every_six_weeks.html ;) [08:19] chrisccoulson: firefox 11 and a 0-day firefox 12 for P apparently :) [08:21] chrisccoulson: ah, sorry; will do [08:22] chrisccoulson: liblauncher rdepends on wncksync, can this go, too? [08:23] only rdepends is netbook-launcher-efl [08:23] suppose that could go as well [08:24] ogra_, ^ [08:24] pitti - yeah, it's currently uninstallable anyway [08:24] pitti, it was only kept for armel iirc [08:24] I thought only kept if someone wanted to work on it? [08:24] check with ogra_ but I guess we can drop those with unity-2d [08:24] i must admit, i didn't check the rdepends on wncksync, i just assumed that it was obsolete and that nobody uses it ;) [08:25] I dropped wncksync and liblauncher, keeping -efl for interested parties [08:25] thanks [08:26] glatzor_: merged; the changelog doesn't look beta-1 critical, is it? [08:27] pitti, right. sorry I just realized the freeze. it is ok to wait. [08:27] glatzor_: ok, great; uploading now [08:27] glatzor_: pushed/uploaded [08:27] thanks Pici [08:27] thanks pitti [08:30] seb128: I suppose bug 805063 should move to beta-2 now? [08:30] Launchpad bug 805063 in unity-2d "[dash] preferred applications are not stored in GConf anylonger" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/805063 [08:30] morning [08:30] pitti, yes [08:31] chrisccoulson: for bug 804397, what's the final resolution? add the recommends to gvfs? [08:31] Launchpad bug 804397 in xdg-utils "xdg-open depends on gnome-open, but it's not on the CD" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804397 [08:31] pitti - yeah, that's the plan [08:31] chrisccoulson: is the bug description obsolete then? It says gnome-open is missing [08:32] pitti - yeah, that's obsolete [08:32] pitti, the title should be "on gvfs-open or gnome-open, but neither is on the CD" [08:33] well it's not obsolete [08:33] it's still an issue than installing xdg-utils gives you a broken xdg-open [08:34] but if we get gvfs-bin on the CD the bug becomes a low importance one [08:34] still a bug though [08:39] pitti, how much stable we need to be today? i.e should I refrain from small bug fix updates (like making packages use dh_translations when they don't)? [08:39] or small bug fixes [08:39] today is still fine for unintrusive fixes [08:39] or are those ok? [08:39] and also for milestoned ones [08:39] ok, thanks [08:40] we just want to peer-review them in the queue [08:40] gotcha [08:40] pitti, do you want me to review a bug list to help you a bug? [08:40] the canonical team assigned one maybe? [08:41] chrisccoulson: bug 804397 updated, are you working on an upload? [08:41] Launchpad bug 804397 in gvfs "xdg-open depends on gnome-open, but it's not on the CD" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804397 [08:41] seb128: I'm currently walking through the desktopish ones on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs?orderby=-importance&field.milestone%3Alist=39143 [08:41] pitti - https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/gvfs/lp804397 [08:41] seb128: if you want to work on the "missing translations" ones, that sounds great [08:42] i can't upload gvfs, or push to the bzr branch :( [08:42] it'll help translators if we do it earlier [08:42] pitti, ok, doing that then, thanks [08:42] chrisccoulson: sponsiring.l. [08:42] gosh, typing [08:42] pitti - thanks [08:42] heh [08:43] chrisccoulson, can you email cjwatson? gvfs should be in the desktop set (I'm suprised it's not in fact) [08:53] seb128, pitti, chrisccoulson, no need for keeping efl other than in universe [08:53] (or anything related to the old launcher [08:53] ogra_: it's in universe, but uninstallable [08:55] well, from the ubuntu-arm POV its useless [08:55] so do what you feel like ;) [08:55] I'll remove it then, it's rather useless right now [08:56] and the source is still on launchpad [08:57] btw, is there a way to disable unity launcher items from a customized setup? [08:59] tjaalton, what do you mean? [09:00] seb128: well, how to disable an entry or to add a new one, but I think I know the answer already [09:01] tjaalton, it's a gsettings key [09:01] tjaalton, but do you want to block a specific program to be added? [09:01] or lock the launcher? [09:01] or force one entry to stay there? [09:01] seb128: both I guess [09:02] not sure that's easy to do [09:02] you can probably easily lock the list of favorite [09:02] but block special items not sure [09:02] right, you should be able to make a setting mandatory [09:03] thinking that it's what my ex-colleagues will ask first when they try 12.04 :) [09:04] tjaalton, simply lock the launcher favorites? [09:04] seb128: system wide [09:04] tjaalton, what's the goal? [09:04] changing the system defaults [09:04] consistent ui? block running of random softwares? [09:04] seb128: so should we reintroduce the older gnome-menus with a new source package to provide the old ABI/python-gmenu again? [09:04] for instance the software center is useless on a classroom computer, where people can't install anything [09:04] tjaalton, ok, custom default config is trivial, just ship an override for that gsettings key with your list [09:05] seb128: yeah, that's what I thought, thanks [09:05] pitti: Hello Martin, I've thought about yesterday's talk about LC_MESSAGES etc., and I think I have an idea how to deal with it when setting variables instead of setting and unsetting back and forth. Will write a couple of MPs. [09:05] pitti, so we basically need the old lib and the python binary? not the dev? [09:06] seb128: right, and not the gnome-menus binary [09:06] seb128: well, we need libgnome-menu-dev, too [09:06] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/libgnome-menu-dev [09:06] there's a bunch of depends still [09:07] pitti, do you want me to work on that? [09:07] I think gnome-shell probably wants to move to libgnome-menu-3-dev, though? [09:07] seb128: if you have some time, that'd be appreciated [09:07] pitti, g-s will probably be done for 3.1.5 yes [09:08] jbicha, ^ do you know? [09:08] pitti, ok, can do [09:08] cheers [09:09] ah, langpacks generated, time to test them [09:09] * pitti yearning for not-oversized CDs [09:09] pitti, where where where? I want to test them ;-) [09:09] seb128: I'll get you a French build [09:09] danke! [09:11] pitti, yes, gnome-shell already uses menu-3 [09:11] ah, then at least that dependency will go away [09:11] alacarte will probably be removed [09:11] and wncksync went away [09:12] pitti, do you like to sponsor http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/gnome-shell/gnome-shell_3.1.4-0ubuntu2.debdiff [09:12] pitti, not sure, it got a bunch of commits in git this week [09:12] and there's still a bunch [09:12] seb128: yes it was ported to the gnome-menus, the real question is why gnome-shell didn't bother releasing a 3.1.5 [09:12] ricotz: can't right now, but a little later; queueing [09:12] pitti, alright :) [09:14] ricotz: why did you drop libpolkit-agent-1-dev b-dep? [09:16] pitti, i didnt [09:16] ricotz: ah, misread, sorry [09:22] ricotz: uploaded [09:22] pitti, thanks [09:24] seb128: Hi Sebastien, any idea how to deal with bug 834523? [09:24] Launchpad bug 834523 in gnome-control-center "Can't change the keyboard layout from a default install" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834523 [09:24] not really, I assigned it to rodrigo [09:25] ideally we could move that tab to the keyboard config capplet [09:27] seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/lp/ [09:27] pitti, danke [09:27] evo is translated again [09:27] restarting desktop to check [09:29] seb128: What about the current gnome-keyboard-properties? [09:30] seb128: work fine here; I'll build the sources and upload, so that they are in unapproved === Amaranthus is now known as Amaranth [09:45] pitti, does "gnome-menus2" works as a name for you? [09:45] sure; it's just temporary, I'm not picky [09:46] pitti, ok, uploaded [09:46] pitti, should be in new in 3 minutes [09:49] seb128: As I mentioned yesterday, I'd like to see https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/gnome-control-center/langfix/+merge/72792 in b1, but haven't seen Rodrigo around today. Can you possibly sponsor that MP? [09:52] GunnarHj, can you put it down on the sponsoring section of http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/oneiric-desktop [09:56] pitti, sorry, but gnome-shell sticks in the queue and needs to be approved [09:57] ricotz: yeah, will get to it, still fiddlign langpacsk [09:57] erk typing [09:57] pitti, no problem, ty [09:59] pitti, ok, sorry, gnome-menus really uploaded with the orig this time [10:03] pitti, langpack update works fine for me [10:03] seb128: merci [10:05] pitti, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=gnome-menus2 [10:05] seb128: will look in a bit, thanks [10:05] yw [10:05] last langpacks are uploading [10:32] chrisccoulson: can you please have a look at the beta-1 items on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-default-email-client and close/postpone/move them to b2 as appropriate? [10:34] RAOF: at this point I guess we have decided to keep nouveau 3d? [10:35] RAOF: "[raof] Evaluate whether to retain nouveau 3d, some time after kernel freeze: TODO" [10:36] RAOF: I assume this is "DONE" and we'Re goign to keep it; please flip back if that's still open [10:37] pitti - sure [10:37] urgh, the glib build timed out :/ [10:37] ^^ seb128 [10:37] uh, that again? [10:37] we might do a retry [10:37] yeah, retry it [10:38] testsuite hang again? [10:38] desrt will cry [10:38] seb128, yeah, seems to be [10:38] can you save the build log? [10:38] in case desrt wants to see it [10:38] kicked [10:38] oh argh [10:38] sorry [10:38] pitti, yeah there's been a deafening silence for 3d issues with nouveau. seems pretty solid [10:39] seb128, yeah, i've saved that [10:39] chrisccoulson, thanks [10:39] pitti, no worry ^ [10:39] i had it open in my browser ;) [10:39] ah, good [10:41] chrisccoulson: "drop version specific install path from firefox (/usr/lib/firefox-5.0) so that defaults packages don't break with every update" -> moving that to b2 [10:41] pitti - yeah, i'll probably end up doing that slightly differently, and just giving you a stable path for the distribution.ini [10:41] that's all you need isn't it? [10:42] chrisccoulson: right [10:42] chrisccoulson: what was wrong with /usr/lib/firefox/ ? [10:48] hm, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-dx-o-compiz looks a little thin [10:49] dbarth: ^ do you know what the purpose of this was? [10:51] pitti, it was the compiz work for the o cycle [10:51] pitti, the spec is mostly done now, unitydialog and gsettings got deferred [10:51] seb128: right, but "provide a tested tarball" isn't very clear [10:51] the gsettings migration is [10:51] ok, so "tested tarball: done", "gsettings: postponed"? [10:51] pitti, it was "get a tarball with the new things" [10:51] pitti, yes [10:51] thanks [10:52] yw [10:52] pitti: checking [10:52] dbarth: ^ seb128 just answered [10:52] yes, most of that has been deferred [10:53] i updated the bp [10:54] ah, me too; but your's should be more precise [10:54] chrisccoulson: "Evaluate moon build-depend on xulrunner-dev, switch to firefox-dev if appropriate or drop" [10:54] chrisccoulson: that's marked as "blocked"; what's the blocker here? [10:54] pitti - bug 798941 [10:54] Launchpad bug 798941 in moon "moon FTBFS in oneiric with libav 0.7" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/798941 [10:54] seems moon has zero rdepends in oneiric [10:54] so we could remove it [10:55] yeah, it seems people aren't that bothered about fixing it [10:55] kill it lots and hard [10:55] can I kill, can I kill? [10:56] chrisccoulson: ^ [10:56] pitti - yeah, feel free [10:56] * pitti locks and loads [10:57] chrisccoulson: closed bug and WI [10:58] excellent, thanks [10:58] need to get our WIs down, so I'm cleaning up [10:58] 49 packages? [10:59] Laney: yes, that includes all binaries times all arches [10:59] ah, makes sense [11:10] hrm, is there a bug about 'alt' opening some kind of a switcher, breaking alt-arrow? [11:11] pitti: libreoffice_3.4.2-2ubuntu2_source.changes ready for upload (l10n is still testbuilding) [11:11] Sweetshark: yippie [11:14] Checksum doesn't match for /home/pitti/libreoffice_3.4.2-2ubuntu2.debian.tar.gz [11:14] erm, what? [11:14] hmm [11:15] hang on [11:15] oh you killed moonlight? [11:16] pitti: arrgh, I did a bin build after the source build. mom, Ill upload the original. [11:16] some people use that but I guess they can get it from the website [11:17] jbicha: yeah; FTBFS, using old xulrunner, nobody wanting to fix it [11:19] Sweetshark: uploaded [11:19] pitti: thanks [11:19] Sweetshark: want me to wait with l10n? [11:20] yeah, it's fine, the Desktop Guide actually mentions Moonlight so we'll just have to redirect users to the web [11:20] pitti: yes [11:20] pitti: pferde apotheke kotzen [11:20] Sweetshark: hm, must be some north German joke? [11:21] * pitti -> lunch, bbl [11:21] pitti: http://www.sprichworte-und-zitate.de/ich-habe-schon-pferde-vor-der-apotheke-374/ [11:22] Sweetshark: ah, heh :) [11:28] pitti, I have got another apport issue. Aptdaemon forks to apply the changes. it seems that if the child crashes (tiggered by a dpkg failure) an apport report is created for the crashed child [11:28] pitti, lp: #834379 [11:28] pitti, the bug has so many duplicates that launchpad cannot handle opening the master bug page anymore :) [11:51] seriously, anyone running the current unity?-) [11:51] alt-arrow doesn't work anymore [11:52] sorry, ctrl-alt-arrow [11:52] tjaalton: argh, you're right [11:52] \o/ [11:54] Works for me, but I've got sort of a frankendesktop thing going on here, I guess. [11:55] Oh, and I seem to be lagging behind on updates. /ignore me [11:56] heh [11:57] mouse shortcuts for moving are broken as well [11:58] Oh dear. [11:58] That's going to suck. [11:59] pitti: I have a package ready to upload to fix bug 824188 [11:59] Launchpad bug 824188 in gnome-settings-daemon "screen does not lock when closing lid until after you open lid again" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/824188 [12:05] tjaalton, works for me on my 2 boxes with normal accounts and guest session [12:05] mdeslaur, upload [12:05] seb128: thanks [12:05] mdeslaur, they will review it from the queue, bug fixes are fine today [12:05] seb128: 4.10.2? [12:06] tjaalton, yes, I did package it, I made sure to test it before uploading and the archive version once it built ;-) [12:06] oh you did ;) [12:06] seb128, hi, i updated vala to 0.13.3 (see pad) is there a FFe bug needed? [12:07] ricotz, hey, no, not sure if they will let it in before beta1 or not though, to check with pitti [12:07] ricotz, but thanks [12:08] seb128, ok, you pinged him now, so might take a look [12:09] ricotz, well in any case we can just upload, if it's not ok it willl sit in the queue until after beta1 [12:09] thanks for the work, I will review it later today [12:09] seb128, alright, it is a simple uupdate, no other changes needed [12:14] re [12:14] tjaalton: I use ctrl+alt+arrow to switch workspaces, works here [12:14] tjaalton: me too, doesn't work on my own sessions on two machines, guest session _is_ fine [12:15] if I press alt, I get the switcher [12:15] glatzor_: ah, so the child is intended to throw an exception? [12:15] glatzor_: we could add a package hook to just ignore SystemErrors thrown by aptdaemon, would that help? [12:18] tjaalton, stop talking to yourself ;-) [12:18] ok, if "key to flip through windows in the switcher" has the default value (grave), it's broken [12:18] seb128: ^:) [12:18] tjaalton, did you change the launcher key to alt in ccsm? [12:18] if I disable that shortcut, things work [12:19] tjaalton, talk to DBO when he comes online [12:19] so, maybe it depends on your keymap? what the heck is grave anyway, in this context [12:19] it's his doing [12:19] it's supposed to be the key on top of tab [12:19] ok will do [12:19] but I think he didn't get the smart logic for that yet [12:19] section here [12:19]