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* skaet waves14:59
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skaetlooks like its about that time.15:00
* charlie-tca waves15:00
pittihey skaet15:00
* skaet is glad that the waves had somewhere to land. :)15:00
Davieyo/15:00
ogra_:)15:00
skaet#startmeeting15:01
meetingologyMeeting started Fri Aug 26 15:01:10 2011 UTC.  The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.15:01
meetingologyUseful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.15:01
skaet[TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet15:01
skaetAgenda can be found: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-08-2615:01
skaet.15:01
skaet11.10 FeatureFreeze, BetaFreeze, UserInterfaceFreeze now in effect15:01
skaet11.10 Beta 1: Sept 1, 2011.15:01
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meetingologyTOPIC: Release general overview - skaet15:01
skaet.15:01
skaetstarting to trend about the the overall line in the burndown charts, so would appreciate it if all the teams could please review the work items and make sure the status is accurate.15:01
skaet[LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/15:01
skaet.15:01
skaetlots of bugs showing up on the lists,  needing fixes.15:01
skaetPlease review the overall lists for the release as well as your individual team lists for bugs that may have been overlooked.15:01
skaet[LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs?field.tag=-ftbfs15:01
skaet[LINK] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-11.10-beta-115:01
skaet.15:01
skaetAlso, we're seeing some regressions that could use an extra look as well.15:01
skaet[LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs?field.tag=regression-release15:01
skaet..15:02
skaetany questions?15:02
skaetok,  lets head into the round table then. :)15:02
skaet[TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris15:03
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meetingologyTOPIC: Hardware Certification team update - mlegris15:03
mlegrisHi all o/15:03
mlegris[Week 34 Testing Report]15:03
mlegrisNo weekly report this week, Oneiric has broken checkbox once more :(15:03
mlegris* bug #834744 (private)15:03
mlegris.15:03
ubottuError: Launchpad bug 834744 could not be found15:03
mlegrisAlpha 3 testing now includes servers:15:03
mlegris[link] http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/oneiric-testing/oneiric_alpha3.html15:03
mlegris..15:03
mlegrisshort and sweet :)15:03
skaetthanks mlegris!   anything a blocker from your tests for b1?15:04
mlegrisskaet: not currently :)15:05
skaetthanks! :)15:05
skaet[TOPIC] QA team update -  jibel15:05
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meetingologyTOPIC: QA team update -  jibel15:05
jibelhi all !15:05
skaet:)15:06
jibel= B1 SmokeTest =15:06
jibel* Ubuntu Desktop: Live Session, default install and OEM OK (bugs identified have been assigned and engineering teams are working on it)15:06
jibel* Ubuntu Server: OK (2 failures over 24 installations due to testing environment)15:06
jibel* Ubuntu Alternate: Default install, LVM, OEM OK15:07
jibelEncrypted home failed: still affected by bug 827197 (linux 3.0.0-9.12 is on alternate should be .14)15:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 827197 in linux (Ubuntu Oneiric) "/usr/bin/ecryptfs-setup-private fails with exit status 1 during install - User's home directory not encrypted" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82719715:07
jibel(alternate lvm amd64 failed too but that looks like an infrastructure issue. QA will investigate)15:08
jibel* Wubi: OK15:08
jibel* Upgrade: Testing in progress (blocker was bug 828759)15:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 828759 in at-spi2-core (Ubuntu Oneiric) "package ubuntu-desktop 1.240 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82875915:08
jibel= Bug Activity =15:08
jibel* New bugs opened during last week (no dups): 1495(+276.57 % over previous week)15:08
cjwatsonjibel: 827197> oh, right, I'll kick a d-i rebuild15:08
jibelblame pitti about the impressive increase of bug report.15:09
jibelhe fixed the retracers15:09
skaet:)15:09
* pitti whistles innocently15:09
jibel  * unity: 108 (7.22%)15:10
jibel  * gnome-settings-daemon: 73 (4.88%)15:10
jibel  * compiz: 41 (2.74%)15:10
jibel  * unity-2d: 31 (2.07%)15:10
jibel  * empathy: 30 (2.01%)15:10
jibelthat was the top 5 packages with most bugs15:10
jibel* 41 reports are regressions. Top 3 are15:10
jibel  * unity: 1515:11
jibel  * compiz: 1315:11
jibel  * ubiquity: 615:11
jibel* Top 3 packages with High/Critical bugs opened and reported this week:15:11
jibel  * ubiquity: 815:11
jibel  * compiz: 615:11
jibel  * unity: 515:11
jibel* Top 3 crashers of the week:15:11
jibel  * unity: 30 (27.78 %)15:11
jibel  * software-center: 17 (65.38 %)15:11
jibel  * gnome-settings-daemon: 16 (21.92 %)15:11
jibel* Top 3 packages that need triage (based on the number of untouched reports)15:11
jibel  * unity: 27 (25.00 %)15:11
jibel  * software-center: 11 (42.31 %)15:11
jibel  * update-manager: 7 (38.89 %)15:11
jibelQA team is on track for B1 testing next week.15:12
jibel..15:12
* skaet figures njpatel, dbarth and team will be busy this week... 15:12
jibelany question/comment ?15:12
skaetThanks jibel!15:12
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skaetinteresting stats,  couple of interesting ones to look at beyond the expected too.  :)15:14
skaet[TOPIC] Security team update - jdstrand15:14
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meetingologyTOPIC: Security team update - jdstrand15:14
jdstrandhello15:14
skaethello15:14
jdstrand[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric15:14
jdstrand[LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-security.html15:14
jdstrandWe are still on track for our assigned work items in our blueprints as can be seen in our trend line. Most of the remaining work items are either not tied to the release or are bug fixes.15:15
jdstrandLooking at the list of oneiric bugs, the only bug worth highlighting is bug #834788. This was reported on oss-security earlier this week, but I just now created the bug. I did not milestone it, but did target it to Oneiric.15:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 834788 in lightdm (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Security issues in lightdm" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83478815:15
jdstrand..15:15
skaetthanks jdstrand!   Will add that lightdm one to my list.15:16
skaetany questions?15:16
jdstrandskaet: thanks15:16
skaet[TOPIC] Kernel team update - ogasawara15:16
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meetingologyTOPIC: Kernel team update - ogasawara15:16
skaethmm... must be IRC lag,  usually ogasawara has it all pasted by now... ;)15:17
skaetok, will move on, and come back later if she shows up.15:18
skaet[TOPIC] Foundations team update - cjwatson15:18
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meetingologyTOPIC: Foundations team update - cjwatson15:18
cjwatsonBug status:15:18
cjwatson * Bug 420080: In progress - will involve a little bit of extra UI, but only in the case that currently involves possible data loss so this seems a good tradeoff.15:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 420080 in partman-crypto (Ubuntu) "Configure encrypted volumes destroys existing data" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42008015:18
cjwatson * Bug 644198: Bumped to beta 2, per Evan.15:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 644198 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Ubuntu LIve Cd does not enable bluetooth before choice menu in live-cd" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64419815:19
cjwatson * Bug 653571: This will just involve bumping the timeout.15:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 653571 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "ubiquity crashed with DBusException in call_blocking() when the option "Install 3rd party software" is checked." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65357115:19
cjwatson * Bug 702283: It's not clear whether this will be feasible for Oneiric - but it's Medium, not milestoned, and not a regression from Natty.15:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 702283 in usb-creator (Ubuntu) "usb-creator doesn't create EFI-bootable USB sticks" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70228315:19
cjwatson * Bug 745960: No progress as yet.  A reproduction method that works in a virtual machine would be very helpful, if possible.  Not a regression from Natty.15:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 745960 in grub2 (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Cannot boot grub after installing to LVM" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74596015:19
cjwatson * Bug 766265: Will need to involve some UI redesign; may or may not happen for Oneiric.  Not a regression from Natty.15:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 766265 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Ubiquity proceeds to use free space without warning" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76626515:19
cjwatson * Bug 792652: Unable to reproduce as yet.  Currently milestoned for beta 2.15:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 792652 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "ubiquity crashed with ValueError in command(): I/O operation on closed file" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79265215:19
cjwatson * Bug 806784: Not too important given that it's an edge case in a technical-preview filesystem.15:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 806784 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Oneiric installer crash: not enough space to unpack kernel headers" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80678415:19
cjwatson * Bug 807636: There are some general sizing issues with the installer at present.  Evan will fix these all in one go.15:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 807636 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "ubiquity doesn't show console when clicking in detailed view" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80763615:19
cjwatson * Bug 819328: Michael marked this as In Progress last week; I don't have current status.15:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 819328 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu Oneiric) "[Oneiric] update-manager crashed with DBusException in _run(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81932815:19
cjwatson * Bug 819624: Stéphane thinks this is mostly dealt with; see comment #6.15:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 819624 in casper (Ubuntu Oneiric) "casper doesn't configure autologin for lightdm properly" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81962415:19
cjwatson * Bug 819979: Evan says "ABI bump needed, easy fix".15:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 819979 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Top Panel is Cut Off During Installation" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81997915:19
cjwatson * Bug 820514: Pending more information.15:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 820514 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "oem-config-remove-gtk not found during preinstalled desktop initialization" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82051415:19
cjwatson * Bug 830061: Evan is going to write a tiny C program to avoid the problems trying to do it in PyGI, but that won't happen for beta-1; for beta-1 we'll just have to disable the background image during installation (screenshotters take note).15:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 830061 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "ubiquity-dm crashed with AttributeError in run(): 'Pixbuf' object has no attribute 'render_pixmap_and_mask'" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83006115:19
cjwatsonWe also have some more recent bugs I don't have current status on yet.  Several of them are Unicode decoding errors which Evan has been churning through.15:19
cjwatsonAlso lots of build failures, archive cleanup, etc.  This will continue to make progress through the freeze.15:19
cjwatson..15:19
skaetThanks cjwatson!   appreciate all the cleanup from last week!!15:20
dokomaybe the better URL for the build failures is http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20110816-oneiric.html15:20
cjwatsonyep, I've been using the bug list so far until it's empty15:20
ogasawaraskaet: sorry, did you get the bits I posted?  I could see everything in the channel, but apparently you couldn't see what I posted.15:21
skaetthanks doko,  will use that instead.15:21
dokouniverse rebuild is completed for amd64, i386 is built up to `m'15:21
skaetsorry ogasawara,  didn't see anything.  can you repost after we finish foundations.15:21
ogasawaraskaet: yep15:21
skaetdoko,  consider us warned to stand by for more ftbfs bugs...  :/15:22
skaetthanks doko!  :)15:22
cjwatsonskaet: any remaining ones will be in universe15:22
* skaet is very glad they will be in universe15:22
skaetany questions for cjwatson?15:23
skaet[TOPIC] Kernel team update - ogasawara15:23
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meetingologyTOPIC: Kernel team update - ogasawara15:23
ogasawaraOverall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for Oneiric Beta-1 is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:15:23
ogasawara[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric15:23
ogasawara[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-11.10-beta-1.html15:23
ogasawara[LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kernel-tasks.html15:23
ogasawarasee that?15:23
skaetyup. :)15:24
ogasawaraphew, /me continues15:24
ogasawaraWe uploaded 2 additional kernels earlier this week, 3.0.0-9.13 and 3.0.0-9.14, to provide some last minute bug fixes we felt necessary to land for the Beta-1 release.  We do not anticipate any further uploads.  We are currently trending slightly above our Beta-1 burndown chart but are below overall.  The remaining work items are not release critical.15:24
ogasawaraOf the bugs called out on the agenda against the kernel, please drop/move the following:15:24
ogasawara#748842 - drop - this is against linuxdcpp which is a universe package and not likely relevant for this meeting.15:24
ogasawara#764893 - move - reported against os-prober, should probably go to foundations team15:24
ogasawaraOf the remaining bugs called out on the agenda against the kernel, status is as follows:15:24
ogasawara#542660 - looks to be related to EFI boot not loading the video bios into ram.15:25
ogasawara#557261 - updated logs attached, investigation ongoing.15:25
ogasawara#656486 - updated logs attached, investigation ongoing.15:25
ogasawara#710733 - unconfirmed against Oneiric, awaiting feedback.15:25
ogasawara#714862 - assigned to kernel dev, investigation ongoing.15:25
ogasawara#746133 - unconfirmed against Oneiric, unreproducible by kernel dev.  awaiting feedback.15:25
ogasawara#753071 - large patch set, upstream status unknown.  posted comment for updated status.15:25
ogasawara#754711 - on a 3.0 oneiric kernel, system now suspends but doesn't resume.  systemtap debug scripts to help investigate are being worked on for Oneiric, see 815944 (systemtap fix recently posted upstream).15:25
ogasawara#758486 - updated debug information attached, investigation ongoing.15:25
ogasawara#760131 - partly fixed in Oneiric and soon natty, more analysis ongoing upstream.15:25
ogasawara#761082 - unconfirmed against Oneiric, awaiting feedback.15:25
ogasawara#790712 - the order 5 allocation seems to be bogus and non-fatal; further investigation ongoing.15:25
ogasawara#793486 - the requested debug info has been attached, going to require a bisect.15:25
ogasawara#814325 - issue confirmed upstream, actively under investigation by multiple devs.15:25
ogasawara#820466 - assigned to kernel dev to investigate.15:25
ogasawara..15:25
ogasawaraQuestions?15:25
skaetThanks ogasawara!   will move those 2 bugs to more relevant sections.15:25
ogasawarathanks15:25
cjwatsonif you do need an emergency upload before beta, please let me know on IRC so I can rebuild the installer15:25
ogasawaracjwatson: ack15:26
cjwatsonack that os-prober is foundations15:26
skaet:)15:26
skaet[TOPIC] Server team update - Daviey15:26
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meetingologyTOPIC: Server team update - Daviey15:26
Davieyo/15:26
skaet:)15:27
DavieyHi,15:27
DavieyBlueprint Tracking:15:27
Davieyhttp://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-server-overview.html15:27
DavieyRelease tracking issues:15:27
Davieyhttp://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html15:27
DavieyWe do seem to be on track for the blueprint items, and the release tracking issues seem to be manageable.15:27
DavieyIf there are things that i am not tracking, that perhaps i should be - please let me know as soon as possible.15:27
DavieyWe still have a few things we'd like to incorporate for Beta-1 (including an optional installer change), and a few things which have15:27
Davieybeen blocked until the thaw (most importianlty the qemu and libvirt consideration for a new upstream version)).15:27
DavieyGenerally, we have a pretty stable beta path - and hope that the run up to beta1 and release will help uncover unknown issues.15:27
DavieyI'd like to get the final MIR's resolved before beta1 release.15:27
DavieyI need to spend some time with someone from QA (probably hggdh), to flesh out some updated test cases.15:27
Daviey.15:27
Daviey..15:27
skaetThanks Daviey!   any questions?15:27
DavieyNone from me.. I should note that we are planning a new upload of openstack snapshots today15:28
hggdh\o15:28
Davieythat will clear some of the tracking bugs which are fix committed.15:28
cjwatsonDaviey: could somebody on your team perhaps deal with bug 829508?15:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 829508 in testng (Ubuntu Oneiric) "testng version 5.11+dfsg-2ubuntu1 failed to build in oneiric" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82950815:28
* skaet should remember to say "for Daviey" on questions prompt. ;)15:29
Davieycjwatson: Hmm, interesting.. I've never tracked testng.15:29
Davieycjwatson: Will investigate, thanks15:29
skaetgo hggdh15:29
cjwatsonI'm mostly just keywording on java15:29
Davieycjwatson: I'll get our java whizz on it next week then. :)15:30
hggdhDaviey and I have  been trying to get together to discuss the server testing. We hope we will be able to do so very soon (just to clarify)15:30
hggdh..15:30
skaetthanks hggdh :)15:30
Davieyhggdh: Yes!  Really importiant. :)15:30
Davieycjwatson: Do we really care about tesng significantly?15:31
DavieyNow it's universe?15:31
cjwatsonDaviey: oh, I didn't notice the demotion.  In that case that bug can indeed be unmilestoned; I'll do that15:31
skaet[TOPIC] ARM team update - ogra_15:31
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meetingologyTOPIC: ARM team update - ogra_15:31
Davieycjwatson: jamespage might want to do it regardless, so i will bounce it to him.15:31
ogra_oh, thats me !15:32
skaet:)15:32
ogra_= Full Status is at: =15:32
ogra_https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric15:32
ogra_--15:32
ogra_= Summary =15:32
ogra_ - TI/linaro rework of the OMAP4 u-boot was uploaded yesterday, changes to debian-cd, flash-kernel and other infrastructure pending15:32
ogra_ - Cleanup of jasper is still ongoing15:32
ogra_ - AC100 images are implemented modulo iso-tracker and cdimage/publish-release integration, but will skip beta on release team request15:32
ogra_ - mx5 final bits for buildable livefs'es have landed, still some debian-cd post processing scripts are missing15:32
ogra_ - during server QA testing issues with iSCSI in the omap4 kernel were found (currently being researched) and ipv6 testing for arm server has started15:32
ogra_--15:32
ogra_= Image Status =15:32
ogra_ - Desktop images don't build due to archive skew15:32
ogra_ - Server images build and install fine (modulo omap4 until the bootloader processing changes landed)15:32
ogra_ - Netboot images work fine (modulo omap4 until the bootloader processing changes landed)15:32
ogra_--15:32
ogra_= Specs =15:32
ogra_ - Entire http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm.html15:32
ogra_ - B1 http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm-ubuntu-11.10-beta-1.html15:32
ogra_--15:32
ogra_in the list above there is also d-i missing, i think NCommander's netboot builds fiddle with the bootloaders too15:32
ogra_..15:33
pittiogra_: not really archive skew, unity is FTBFS; fix is in the pipeline (should land around now), then unity-2d build can be retried, then it should become installable15:33
ogra_pitti, unity is only a second fallout, telepathy-glib is breaking the world atm15:33
ogra_since monday or so15:33
ogra_..15:34
pittihm, that's not on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/oneiric_probs.html then15:34
cjwatsonogra_: I just uploaded d-i to sync with the kernel - will that cover it?15:34
Davieyogra_: Where are the results for the arm server related testing?15:34
ogra_cjwatson, i dont think so, one bootloader binary moved to another package, we need to adjust the bootloader bits in the scripts15:34
cjwatsonok, I assume NCommander will deal with that then15:35
ogra_i hope so, else i or infinity will15:35
ogra_Daviey, GrueMaster shoudl be able to give them to you15:35
Davieyogra_: okay, thanks!15:35
skaetThanks ogra_!15:35
* skaet sees questions have been asked, so moving on. :)15:35
skaet[TOPIC] Linaro update - fabo15:36
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meetingologyTOPIC: Linaro update - fabo15:36
faboo/15:36
fabo * Linaro 11.08 is released (http://lists.linaro.org/pipermail/linaro-announce/2011-August/000070.html)15:36
fabo   * it contains:15:36
fabo     * Linaro kernel based on 3.0.3 stable kernel including the merge of 3.1-rc1 core ARM updates from Russell King's tree15:36
fabo     * Linaro GCC 4.6 2011.08 based on latest upstream version15:36
fabo     * Linaro Cross Toolchain 2011.07 builds15:36
fabo     * Switch to libjpeg-turbo based on the 1.1.90 2011.08 release15:37
fabo     * Switch to ext4 rootfs by default15:37
fabo * bug 833876: FFe for u-boot-linaro, making SPL replaces x-loader for omap 4. We're now just waiting the arm team to change the image scripts to replace x-loader for SPL at the omap 4 image.15:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 833876 in u-boot-linaro (Ubuntu) "FFE: upload new version from Linaro for OMAP4" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83387615:37
fabo..15:37
skaetThanks fabo!  any questions?15:37
skaetfor fabo?   :)15:37
fabo:)15:37
ogra_just a remark ...15:38
ogra_it would be nice to know about changes like the u-boot one way way earlier in ubuntu15:38
ogra_please take that into account next cycle15:38
ogra_..15:38
faboogra_: ok15:38
fabothe best way is to subscribe the relevant people to the blueprint15:39
faboogra_: who?15:39
faboor a team?15:39
ogra_well, lets discuss that at UDS over a beer :) i need to ask the team first if everyone wants to be spammed all the time :)15:40
skaet:)15:40
skaet[TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team -  Chipaca or joshuahoover15:40
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meetingologyTOPIC: Ubuntu One Team -  Chipaca or joshuahoover15:40
skaethmm... doesn't look like either are around.15:41
skaetok, moving on.15:41
skaet[TOPIC] Desktop Team update - pitti15:42
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meetingologyTOPIC: Desktop Team update - pitti15:42
pittiLanded remaining bits of GNOME 3.1.5.15:42
pittiNew compiz/unity release, which should fix some annoying bugs.15:42
pittiygobject 2.90 transition/upgrade mostly complete, but found breakage with ubiquity at the last minute; problems were tracked down, and Martin proposed fixes. Once they land, we can do the update right after beta-1.15:42
pittis/^/p/15:42
pittiFresh language packs landed, bringing desktop CDs within size limit.15:42
pittiAlternate seeds fixed, bringing alternate CDs within size limit.15:42
pittiLots of bug fixing, including some UI warts like the screen saver looking like gnome shell.15:42
pittiGot apport retracers working again, and caught up with the backlog.15:42
pittiStill swamped by too many "last mile" work items for 90% done specs, and a large bug backlog.15:42
pittiRC bug status: details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus#rcbugs as usual; nothing earthshaking right now, should work well enough for beta-1.15:43
pitti..15:43
* skaet is VERY glad to see the disk images fitting again!!!15:43
pittiso am I15:43
skaetThanks pitti!15:43
skaetany questions for pitti?15:43
skaet[TOPIC] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth or njpatel15:44
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meetingologyTOPIC: Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth or njpatel15:44
dbarthhi15:44
skaet:)15:44
dbarthgeneral report: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/OneiricReleaseStatus15:44
dbarthhere are the highlights:15:44
dbarthunity 4.10.0 released15:44
dbarth* 3 crashers and one critical performance issue fixed15:44
dbarth* also contains the last UI refresh reflecting the latest signed off designs15:45
dbarthunity-2d 4.2 - mostly on par with u3d now15:45
dbarthcompiz 0.9.5.9215:45
dbarth* classic decorator is back, gsettings are disabled, as well as the unitydialog style15:45
dbarth* Several fixes for the unity-window-decorator; Fixed ICCM 4.1.4 support, ie iconized windows support15:45
dbarth* 2 important fixes against: 1 memory leak, 1 crasher at restart15:45
dbarthindicators - series of releases this week, with many bug fixes (see report for details)15:45
dbarthand with CJK almost there: xapian is in the release now, but ibus support is stuck on a focus issue; it has been proved to work in a general scenario, but it only works "once" :/15:45
dbarthwe think we can nail that one down for next week15:46
dbarthbug status - there are many (many) bugs on our radar, but we've worked on those criticals recently:15:46
dbarth * [Bug:814065]: FIXED, the right-click menu is back15:46
dbarth * [Bug:819389]: FIXED, the patch has been re-applied15:46
dbarth * [Bug:824099]: INVALID, the problem has been confirmed to be an installation issue15:46
dbarth * [Bug:813365]: some progresses on it (see status above), switching to audit unity's memory usage now15:46
dbarthie, drivers issues mostly resolved for now; but we keep working with bryce, raof and the rest of the xorg team15:47
dbarthand work on performance improvements starting to show results, but will continue on unity next week15:47
dbarth..15:47
skaetThanks dbarth!15:47
skaetany fixes on some of the critical ones expected to land before B1?15:48
pittiseb128 will do another unity upload with cherrypicks today15:48
dbarthapart from those i've called out, not yet15:48
dbarth(checking my bug list)15:48
skaetthanks pitti,  seb128.15:48
skaetdbarth,  thanks!15:49
skaetany other questions for dbarth ?15:49
skaet[TOPIC] Kubuntu Team update - ScottK15:49
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meetingologyTOPIC: Kubuntu Team update - ScottK15:49
ScottK- We just noticed today that final KDE 4.7.0 translations didn't get uploaded.  We'll probably hold them until after beta 1.15:49
ScottK- Feature wise we have some kubuntu-mobile work to do post beta1 with metapackages, but the things that have potential to affect kubuntu-desktop are done.15:49
ScottK- Working on NBS and FTBFS bugs - Due to some unanticipated brain damage in cmake, multi-arching Qt caused a number of FTBFS that are taking some time to sort out.15:49
ScottK- Remaining bugs from Alpha 3 are all either low priority or not reproducible enough to work15:49
ScottK- Should be in pretty good shape for Beta 1.15:49
ScottK..15:49
skaetThanks ScottK!  :)  happy to hear it should be smooth for Beta 1.15:50
ScottKThe biggest dissappointment is that we'll have to test the alternates.15:50
skaetarm side looking reasonable?15:51
ScottKThe work that we needed to consolidate to just the live didn't make it this cycle.15:51
ScottKIt'd be nice to have MX5 images of some variety (since I have hardware)15:51
ScottKIt seems generally good though.15:51
skaetok,  will get with you offline to discuss what the final manifest needs to look like then (re: alternates, mx5, etc.).15:52
skaetany other questions for ScottK?15:52
skaet[TOPIC] Edubuntu Team update - stgraber or highvoltage15:52
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meetingologyTOPIC: Edubuntu Team update - stgraber or highvoltage15:52
stgraberHey everyone!15:53
stgraber 15:53
stgraberSo it's been a pretty busy week for Edubuntu.15:53
stgraberWe switched to the new ltsp-live code, fixing our last important bug (bug 791611).15:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 791611 in ltsp (Ubuntu) "[FFe] LTSP live doesn't work with new Network Manager" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79161115:53
stgraberMost of our UI changes made it before UI/beta freeze, including a new wallpaper, some customization of lightdm, change of icon theme and update of the installer slideshow.15:53
stgraber 15:53
stgraberOur goal of having all of the Edubuntu specific code translatable has been achieved and we're now waiting for contributors to translate the missing pieces.15:53
stgraber 15:53
stgraberIn the end, we didn't drop any of sabayon, pessulus or gnome-nanny as they all install and work to some extent.15:53
stgraberIt's still pretty likely we drop some of them a bit later when we actually have time testing them a bit more.15:53
stgraber 15:54
stgraberUnfortunately the unity-greeter regressed at the last minute yesterday dropping a feature we were using, this should hopefully be fixed soon, ideally before beta-1. (bug 834701)15:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 834701 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "greeter regression, no longer allowing flavours to customize the greeter" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83470115:54
stgraber 15:54
stgraberOne thing that didn't make it before UI freeze is a small unity customization I want for Edubuntu.15:54
stgraberBasically replacing the Ubuntu logo by the Edubuntu equivalent. It wasn't obvious how to do it and I noticed that logo changed on the day of UI freeze for Ubuntu.15:54
stgraberI filed a UIFe for it (bug 834787) and expect to have the change ready today, doing a single upload fixing both the unity-greeter configuration and the unity dash launcher icon.15:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 834787 in edubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] Replacing unity circle-of-friends logo by the Edubuntu logo (distributor-logo.svg)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83478715:54
stgraber 15:54
stgraber..15:54
stgraberThat's all from me. Any question?15:54
stgraber(I'm on my cell so typing speed isn't too great :))15:54
skaetThanks stgraber!   appreciate the detail in the update.  :)15:54
* skaet puts tick in Edubuntu in reasonable shape box as well.15:55
cjwatsonhow the *heck* did you type that fast on an N900?!15:56
stgrabercjwatson: hehe :) I loaded file.pl in my irssi15:56
cjwatsonaha :)15:56
skaet[TOPIC] Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca15:57
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meetingologyTOPIC: Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca15:57
charlie-tcaWe have looking forward for Beta1. Since Xubuntu did not publish the Alpha3 milestone, it is very important for us to have a Beta1 image. Also, Beta1 should be more stable than the the previous milestones.15:57
charlie-tcaXubuntu images at this time are under-sized, which is better than oversized :)15:57
skaet:)15:57
charlie-tca* #819624: "casper doesn't configure autologin for lightdm properly" - autologin works for the live sessions on the Xubuntu images15:57
charlie-tca* #833862: "Onboard Keyboard should have a menu entry for Xubuntu/Xfce" - In the best interests of accessibility, we are watching this. It seems to get patched out of the menus right around final release. Even if Ubuntu doesn't want this in the menus, Xubuntu does.15:57
charlie-tcaDoesn't look real good for accessible installs for beta1, I will be testing it this weekend and update you after I know more.15:58
charlie-tcaAny questions?15:58
charlie-tca..15:58
* charlie-tca knows accessible installs is Ubuntu/Unity, not Xubuntu15:59
skaetThanks charlie-tca!15:59
skaetplease let me know the results of your accessible installs.16:00
charlie-tcaSure will16:00
skaet:) appreciate it.16:01
skaetany questions?16:01
skaet[TOPIC] Lubuntu Team update - gilir16:01
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meetingologyTOPIC: Lubuntu Team update - gilir16:01
gilirHi :)16:01
gilirThis week, the new theme was uploaded, including wallpaper, gtk2 & gtk3 theme, icons, settings adjustments ...16:01
gilirWe finished to update LXDE components with the last releases from upstream.16:01
gilirLightdm was evaluated, to see if we can set it by default, but we decided to keep LXDM for 11.10.16:02
gilirWe still have a critical bug on upgrade (bug #834793), and I was enable to test it properly on daily builds recently.16:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 834793 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Crash on login, after installing on Lubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83479316:02
gilirAs I'm not sure we will be able to test it properly for the release, it's safer to keep LXDM, which is already well tested on Lubuntu.16:02
gilirWe also requested a FFe for an alternate ISO image (bug #833390).16:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 833390 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "FFe: Add alternate image for Lubuntu ISO" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83339016:02
gilirThis is one of the main request from our users, and we will have people to test it before the release.16:02
gilirNext week, triaging and fixing bugs :)16:02
gilir..16:03
skaetThanks gilir!16:03
skaetcjwatson, pitti - any concerns about alternate image?16:03
pittiI haven't tried it yet, bit jibel said smoketesting looked okay16:03
pittiso at this point I'm more on the receiving side of information16:03
skaethmm...  are we building the lubuntu alternate then?16:04
* skaet should have inserted lubuntu before putting comment out about alternate image :/16:05
cjwatsonno, but we can16:07
cjwatsonI mean it's trivial to do so and I don't mind16:07
cjwatsonbut I felt it should get an FFe16:07
skaetthanks cjwatson.16:07
skaetagree about FFe at this point.16:07
cjwatsonwell, umm, trivial-ish16:07
cjwatsonit needs some seed changes16:07
cjwatsonah, which gilir has done16:07
cjwatsonI think pitti thought you were asking about the Ubuntu alternate16:08
pittispeaking about new images, we also need to set up the chinese images at some point16:08
pittiyes, I was16:08
skaetyup,  sorry not to have inserted lubuntu in that comment.16:08
cjwatsonpitti: yes, I'm in progress on that but it went wrong for some weird reason16:08
cjwatsonhaven't tracked it down yet16:08
cjwatsonETOOMUCHMULTITASKING16:09
skaetany other questions for gilir before we move on?16:09
cjwatsonskaet: so should I set up the Lubuntu alternate image?  for me it's either now or Tuesday16:10
skaetcjwatson,  prefer to set it up now if we want to try for it to go in to B1.16:10
skaetjibel,  can you update iso tracker for new lubuntu alternate images?16:11
jibelI can16:11
skaetthanks jibel16:11
skaetok,  looks like we can try for it gilir. :)16:12
gilirvery nice, thanks :)16:12
cjwatsonok, trying a test build now16:12
cjwatsonI'll cron it if that works (ish)16:12
skaet[TOPIC] Toolchain update - slangasek or doko16:13
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meetingologyTOPIC: Toolchain update - slangasek or doko16:13
* skaet wondering if this has already been covered earlier actually....16:14
skaethmm,  will move on and assume no critical bugs on the horizon or updates pending.16:15
skaet[TOPIC] MOTU team update - tumbleweed16:15
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meetingologyTOPIC: MOTU team update - tumbleweed16:15
tumbleweedLots of FTBFS packages still, but progress being made. Thanks for the rebuild and bug reports, doko16:15
tumbleweedI suspect quite a few are going to require new upstream versions of their dependencies16:15
tumbleweedcjwatson: You asked me to look at opal, I got to the bottom of most of that (going to require some new upstream versions and libav 0.7 patching), but ekiga was still failing to build, I must look at that again this weekend. (Wanted to get to the bottom of it before applying for FFes. I could probably use some help from anyone who knows ekiga)16:15
* tumbleweed has my eye on FTBFS science packages for some global jam treatment, hopefully I can get some local people to help me make a dent on them16:15
tumbleweedMy call for FFes for dh_python2 conversions seems to have been successful (and gave me at least an evening's work)16:15
tumbleweedOtherwise mostly been tied up in native package syncing things16:15
tumbleweed..16:16
skaetThanks tumbleweed!16:16
skaetany questions for tumbleweed?16:16
skaet[TOPIC] Any other business?  - all16:16
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meetingologyTOPIC: Any other business?  - all16:16
cjwatsontumbleweed: ok, thanks16:16
skaetgoing once16:18
skaettwice16:18
skaet#endmeeting16:18
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tumbleweedthanks skaet16:18
skaetThank you, tumbleweed, gilir, charlie-tca, stgraber, ScottK, dbarth, pitti, fabo, ogra_, ogasawara, jdstrand, jibel, mlegris, Daviey, hggdh16:18
jibelskaet, thanks!16:19
charlie-tcaThank you, skaet16:19
pittithanks everyone16:19
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