[00:00] hi [00:04] [Miia Ranta] Things I learnt about managing people while being a Wikipedia admin - http://myrtti.fi/blog/2011/08/26/things-i-learnt-about-managing-people-while-being-a-wikipedia-admin/ [00:27] hmm, seriously... there's no shockwave support for linux? [00:27] but shockwave is the oldest one of the two (flash vs shockwave) [00:27] o.O [00:32] shockwave is ancient [00:32] do people still use it? [00:33] no not really :-P [00:54] http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?228185-Carbide-update-freezes-program [00:54] nokiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! [00:54] y u no able to correctly roll out updates?? [03:30] ali1234: one would assume people still use it, because adobe seem to still be making director [03:31] or at least still supporting it... [03:32] cost 11.5 was updated to 11.5.8 late last year [03:32] cos* [03:32] (also, we were using it at uni last year too) [03:33] (personally, I don't see why they have director and flash... when both are stupidly similar) [03:34] what's even more messed up is the fact that the mime types for both flash files and shockwave files are the wrong way round (due to legacy) [03:37] one would assume shockwave is still being used though, I mean check: http://www.isketch.net/isketch.shtml [03:40] I might go and see a GP today [03:40] samuel: what's up? [03:41] HazRPG: I think I might have hemmerages, anal fissure or colon cancer or something. :( [03:41] hemmeroids* [03:41] I keep putting it off, but after it got much worse 2 days ago [03:42] So I really need to see a GP now [03:42] Problem is, I'm usually asleep when GP surgeries are open lol [03:43] Damn my nocturnality [03:43] It will kill me some day [03:51] ah [03:51] not to sound rude, but how old are ya? [03:52] HazRPG: 19, so I'm unlikely to have cancer [03:52] I think [03:52] samuel: sit at a computer all day? [03:52] (or there abouts?) [03:52] HazRPG: yeah lol [03:52] prob just piles then ;) [03:52] wouldn't worry about it too much [03:52] HazRPG: probably, but I want to be sure [03:53] HazRPG: It's suddenly gotten a lot worse, despite me eating more fibre, so that is why I'm worried [03:53] I started getting them around 2-4 years ago (I forget), and I'm 24 [03:53] HazRPG: Still got them? [03:53] it comes and goes lol [03:54] HazRPG: And did blood ever drip into the toilet, making the water all red? [03:54] HazRPG: How do I tell whether the blood is bright or dark red? I don't know the difference [03:54] not much you can really do, except keep buying cream/pills (but not the oral kind) to make them go away [03:54] Pills that aren't oral? [03:55] samuel: well I think the technical term is now "bullet" or something I think it says on the packaging [03:55] HazRPG: Can I get those things on prescription? [03:55] samuel: can buy over the counter stuff, and works pretty much the same... the prescription ones is much better however (shinks the piles faster) [03:55] shrinks* [03:56] HazRPG: I ask about prescription because I can get them for free [03:56] HazRPG: So prescriptions are better :) [03:56] I don't want to pay for my health lol [03:56] yeah, I had no blood, but that's because my mum (doctor) always told/taught me not to strain on the toilet [03:57] lol fair enough :P [03:57] damn did anyone just hear/feel that thunderclap? [03:57] we just had a like 45 second long huge thunderclap that felt more like a damned earthquake [03:57] Azelphur: Wouldn't that be local to you? [03:58] baring in mind it felt like an earthquake I assume it'll be felt a reasonable distance around me [03:58] samuel: Pro-tip, ask for the suppositories not the cream... although its really preference, but I found the cream more hassle then its worth [03:58] HazRPG: How do I get tough ones out without straining? [03:58] HazRPG: What are suppositories? [03:59] samuel: best thing is to try and edit your diet around so that its not tough in the first place ;) [03:59] samuel: suppositories are basic butt-piles lol [03:59] pills* [03:59] basically* [03:59] Azelphur: You're in the USA, asking people in a UK channel whether they felt your earthquake... [03:59] man I'm failing at typing today T_T [03:59] samuel: I'm in the USA? [03:59] samuel: Azelphur is from the UK ;) [03:59] that's news to me :o [04:00] or at least in the UK... [04:00] HazRPG: I had massive constipation, and then I increased my fibre intake and now do 3 times as many shits a week [04:00] Azelphur: Sorry, my IRC client lied to me. [04:00] samuel: heh, fibre will do that :P [04:00] samuel: haha, I'm connecting via a server in US :) [04:00] HazRPG: So I'm doing well? [04:01] geoip: not always accurate, especially when people obviously arn't on residential addresses :P [04:01] HazRPG: What else can I do? [04:01] samuel: drink lots of coffee ;) [04:01] HazRPG: WTF why? [04:01] HazRPG: I hate coffee [04:01] or tea... [04:01] HazRPG: Why coffee? [04:01] samuel: coffee/tea = laxative [04:01] HazRPG: What about milk? [04:02] doesn't matter, as long as there's tea/coffee in it :) [04:02] Tea is laxative? That's news to me [04:02] HazRPG: What else? [04:03] samuel: depends on the type of tea really, some are... should say on the box [04:03] HazRPG: I don't understand the "no straining" rule. If it's a tough one, how else will I get it out? [04:03] samuel: take a book, gameboy... something... and sit it out (quite literally) [04:04] HazRPG: Just sit there? [04:04] just don't strain, you'll only make matters worse [04:04] I thought reading on the toilet partially causes my piles? [04:05] HazRPG: But if it doesn't come on soon, it will only be harder later. [04:05] samuel: well I find deeper breathes, and leaning forward helps... but that's all I can suggest really [04:05] HazRPG: Sometimes it just feels stuck and unable to get past the point of no return. :( [04:05] samuel: it's a six and 2 three's scenario... sitting on the toilet too long will cause them, but straining on the toilet will do the same thing [04:06] HazRPG: A what scenario? [04:06] samuel: like I said, just try and get something in your diet that's a laxative to try and balance things out a bit so that you don't have to strain in the first place [04:06] HazRPG: Is fibre a laxative? [04:07] lol, six and 2 three's. 6 = 6, 3+3 = 6 ;) [04:08] HazRPG: Can I still drink alcohol? [04:08] samuel: erm... fibre technically works both ways [04:08] too much fibre will cause it to be hard though [04:08] HazRPG: WTF? [04:09] I thought too much fibre=diahrhera [04:09] too little fibre does that [04:09] but like I said, it can work both ways [04:09] it depends on how your body deals with it [04:09] HazRPG: And since I've increased my fibre intake with cereal and bananas, I've only found it easier to pass stools [04:10] But still bleeding [04:10] More than ever [04:10] It should be getting better, not worse FFS [04:11] samuel: no, it'll only get better if you start using either creams or suppositories to try and reduce the swelling [04:11] changing your diet is for the long-term, however for the problems your having now... you need to get rid of it first [04:11] HazRPG: How do you apply those? [04:13] cream: 2 ways, either put it on finger and *use imagination, I think you know where this is going*... or use the "applicator" it comes with... and likewise do the same thing (my GP recommended doing both, since using your finger you can help push them in, and the "applicator" helps spread it evenly) [04:13] suppositories: simple, just pop it in [04:13] lol disgusting [04:13] as to when you do this: each time you pass stools, and before you go to bed are recommended [04:14] samuel: true, but sadly it's the only way [04:14] HazRPG: Speaking of going to bed, I'm about to. Shall I report back to you after I see a GP? [04:14] samuel: its either that, or get them operated on to remove them (I know which I'd rather do!) [04:14] HazRPG: I'd rather avoid surgery [04:14] exactly ;) [04:14] If I can [04:15] my dad's had it operated on, and he said it wasn't pleasant... not in the slightest [04:15] his words were "I was walking like John Wayne for a week afterwards" [04:15] Hereditory? [04:15] Can they be? [04:15] yeah, it can be [04:15] sadly :( [04:16] Too embarassed to talk to my family about it lol [04:16] Shall I report back to you after I see a GP? [04:16] most likely, if your getting it at your age... its cos you've been passed it down (pardon the obvious pun) [04:16] samuel: yeah sure if you want [04:16] samuel: either give me a nudge on here, or PM [04:16] HazRPG: I think my constipation was probably a major cause. [04:17] HazRPG: Got email? [04:17] samuel: haz@hazrpg.co.uk [04:17] HazRPG: Thanks for the advice, man.xx [04:17] (when I made it, I almost had it as me@hazrpg.co.uk, but I couldn't make my mind up as to which sounded weirder) [04:18] samuel: no worries, hope things improve for you [04:18] Night xxxx [04:23] I think I should have pointed out high-fibre diets, means you need to drink more fluids otherwise your just going to be back to square one... [04:23] oh well [04:25] Azelphur: where bouts you at anyways? [04:25] thanet [04:25] Azelphur: Cumbria here, didn't feel nothing [04:26] yea, very long way away from me [04:26] I reckon that was felt over most of kent at least [04:26] random, didn't think we had earthquakes on our tiny island [04:27] (or if we did, I thought it was just because of the ripple of an earthquake elsewhere) [04:28] brb going to the garage for some smokes [04:35] lol [04:35] it wasn't an earthquake, it was a lightening bolt [04:36] only it was so loud that it kinda caused an earthquake that lasted about 30 seconds [04:38] ahh [04:38] okay, that makes more sense [04:41] is it bad that I'm now starting to use the terminal to just open videos, instead of just opening the folder and double-clicking... [04:42] when does doctor who start back up? [04:59] HazRPG: tomorrows [05:01] HazRPG: I do the same usually.. start vlc from a directory :) [05:14] MartijnVdS: didn't realise you could do that, aces :) [05:15] HazRPG: vlc . :) [05:44] I actually recall there being an earthquake in cumbria, many moons ago [05:44] we do get 'em. just very small & rare, because we're not sat on major faults [05:45] oh. google's telling me last year. the one I recall would have been late 80s / early 90s [05:55] * popey blinks [05:56] it's always odd to see you lot up at silly o'clock [06:56] silly o'clock? [06:58] Morning all [07:13] Morning [07:18] popey: ping [07:34] Hi [07:35] is there a way to create my own PPA and are there documentation availabe for it ? [07:36] kaushal: I#ve never tried, but a quick search links to https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA [07:37] If its just a one off package you want to create for personal use so you can install via a deb file for easier removal, you could look at this as well [07:37] !checkinstall [07:37] checkinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall - Read the warnings at the top and bottom of that web page, and DO NOT interrupt CheckInstall while it's running! [07:38] !ppa [07:38] A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa [07:38] !addppa [07:38] Since Ubuntu 9.10, a !ppa can be added using a single command « sudo add-apt-repository ppa:user/ppa-name » See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Adding%20PPAs for more details [07:39] none of that information is at all helpful [07:39] meh, not that, but yeah kaushal, if you have signed the code of conduct you can have a PPA [07:39] you can make your own repo without signing the CoC [07:39] you just can't host it on launchpad [07:40] hello all [07:44] lp just makes things a bit easier [07:47] AlanBell: Thanks [07:47] DJones: Thanks [08:02] j0nr: pong [08:17] popey: :) http://pastebin.com/HQ8d0W5U [08:18] popey: in the end, my provider finally provided me with crucial details, that in order to install a kernel (other than theirs) I have to go enable a function in their control panel. Once done, rebooted and its all working again :) [08:18] don't know why they didn't tell me this in the first place... [08:18] anyway, time is working, s3sync is working :) [08:20] achievement unlocked: get a story on slashdot front page :) [08:27] Morning all === diplo- is now known as diplo [08:30] What limitations are there on partition sizes now adays ? Going to make a software raid1 for 2 x 2TB discs shortly, anything I need to know ? [08:33] diplo, i made a software raid with 3 2TB disks last weekend, its all fine [08:33] diplo, just don't use FAT32 [08:33] heh cool thanks [08:34] Not sure whether to go with ext2 or 4 [08:34] hehe "I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu)" [08:34] Not sure I need journalling but is it worth the difference ? [08:34] bit of an under statement there [08:34] :p [08:36] dogmatic69: there's a better one in an argument with Tanenbaum, about how optimisation doesn't matter, 'cause everyone'll be using Hurd soon anyway [08:36] from about 1997 [08:36] hehe [08:37] Hello, hello! Happy Friday! [08:39] diplo: so you care about your data enough to raid it, but not enough for journalling? [08:39] In 10.04 server, my kernel is '-generic-pae', and the installed linux image is 'linux-image-virtual'. Which package for headers should I install? 'linux-headers-virtual' or 'linux-headers-generic-pae'? [08:40] diplo, journals are a honking good idea :) you should only not use a journal if you need compatibility with ext2 or something crazy like that [08:41] running ext4 on my raid, because its great with larger filesystems [08:42] not tha tfussed about the data so if there was a speed incrrease it wouldn't bother me [08:42] Cool, that's what I wanted to here [08:42] Thanks [08:45] is it me or is the dash looking even worse in oneiric? [08:46] which bit's the dash? [08:46] BigRedS: the thing that appears when you click on the BFB/ubuntu icon [08:46] ahh [08:46] yeah, that bit keeps changing [08:46] I think it was orange yesterday [08:49] My father is looking for a new laptop. After a lot of looking about, he's found this: http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/Lenovo_IdeaPad_Z570_1091048.html # any comments? [08:56] lenovo tends to be good [08:56] i5 is good [08:57] don't know why you'd need blu-ray [08:57] i5 is going to have sandybridge though [08:57] MartijnVdS, to watch blu-ray movies? [08:57] gord: nothing wrong with sandybridge [08:57] gord: not on Linux [08:57] MartijnVdS, the drivers suck [08:57] gord: not as bad as nvidia [08:57] in O they are okay, but anything less you will have to deal with huge graphics corruption [08:57] Oh, my dad will be sticking with the preinstalled windows :S [08:57] MartijnVdS, no they are awful [08:57] they don't work [08:58] gord: Neither do the nvidia ones [08:58] bigcalm, ah in that case the sandybridge will be fine :) [08:58] Looking at this from a hardware point of view [08:58] bigcalm, +1 lenovo are great [08:58] gord: (depending on the phase of the moon) [08:58] This is the other one he's looking at http://www.sony.co.uk/product/vn-e-series/vpcej1z1e [08:58] bigcalm: it is a lot of power, and not that much screen [08:58] 170 quid deerer [08:59] and more pixels, 1600x900 vs 1366x768 [08:59] On a larger screen [08:59] and faster gpu if he needs that [09:00] as always, google + broke - before buying ;) [09:00] but it's sony :) [09:00] He's into his archery in a big way, so recently got a highspeed camera. Will be doing a lot of video editing. I told him to look for laptops with dedicated graphics, no shared memory [09:00] MartijnVdS: indeed, paying more for the name? [09:01] for video editing you want a big screen (possibly external monitor) [09:01] video editing mostly needs as much hard-drive space as possible and more importantly as much ram as possible [09:01] AlanBell: I've told him that both have HDMI so he can hook it up to an external screen [09:01] He was doing this on a Advent netbook... [09:01] I would go for the little one then and spend the change on the screen [09:02] Good thinking [09:03] * bigcalm pastebins this and wonders how confused his father will be by irc [09:04] [Paul Mellors] It was 20 years ago today.... - http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/08/it-was-20-years-ago-today.html [09:04] [Paul Mellors] cronlog - Debian Squeeze - http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/08/cronlog-debian-squeeze.html [09:12] let my router monitor how much traffic i am using this month... it has been enlightening. [09:17] j0nr: awesome! [09:18] MooDoo: yesterday :D [09:20] I'm now talking my dad into attaching a large tv to the dinning room wall for him to use as the 2nd monitor [09:20] Yum Bacon & Sausage barm cake [09:20] :D [09:20] This is silly :) [09:22] hmm, seems my laptop won't quite drive three screens [09:23] it has the laptop screen, the VGA port and HDMI port, and will do any two of the three, and will see three monitors in the monitor preferences [09:27] Does it only have 2 clocks in the graphics [09:27] Card? [09:28] I know that the AMD desktop cards have 2xDVI and a HDMI, but you can only use two of the three at once as they all require a clock and the hardware only has 2 [09:29] that would make sense [09:29] one step closer to getting an andypad \o/ [09:30] I tried driving them all at 1024x768 and tried putting same image on all screens but it still wouldn't do it so not a graphics memory issue [09:31] andypad reminds me too much of andy pandy the childrens programme [09:32] Not sure if VGA requires clocking in the same way DVI does, but given how interchangeable they are it wouldn't surprise me [09:32] I had a muffin the mule [09:36] Or rather, my mother did and I got to play with it at her parents' house [09:37] oimon, i have no odea what andy pandy is, so i think im safe :) [09:37] it's a good thing [09:40] oimon: "Sawdust and hay for dinner today" was the thing mum always told us when we asked what was for dinner. That was from Andy Pandy I think [09:41] om nom nom [09:41] Ah no, it was the wooden tops on watch with mother :) [09:45] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv_WJCv_Xyg :) [09:46] Morning guys, I have a little bugbear with ubuntu at the moment. I have a compositing window manager (the default one) and transparency enabled in my gnome-terminal. When I open it, the background is solid black until it has been forced to re-draw with text or dragging the mouse across it. Any ideas why? [09:47] daubers: Thats older than me [09:47] DJones: We had it on VHS when I was a nipper [09:48] I don't think I've ever watched it (that I can remember anyway) [09:48] "Sawdust and hay" is at 12:00 in :) [09:48] (Screenshot attached: http://imagebin.org/169719) [09:49] KrisDouglas: What graphics chipset are you running? [09:49] NVIDIA 9600GT, latest stable drivers (280?) x86 [09:51] as a matter of fact, I just updated them from 270 and it was the same on 270. [09:51] KrisDouglas: I've got an 8800 and I don't get that issue on natty [09:52] Probably some software issue, very perculiar [09:52] KrisDouglas: However I do get something similar briefly on boot with the desktop :) [09:52] I used to get that, but it's sorted now [09:55] daubers, which driver version are you running on/ [09:55] ? [09:56] "Version Current" (thanks jockey for that useful information!) Although I don't thinks its actually in use.... how can I find out what driver is actually in use? [09:57] alias: char-major-195-* [09:57] So I assume 195 [09:57] System>Preferences>NVIDIA X Server Settings [09:58] 270.41.06 :) [09:58] That was easier [09:58] Thats the version I just moved from [09:58] Weird [10:06] happy friday all [10:07] Mez: look like RMS was a big success congrats [10:07] morning davmor2 [10:07] MooDoo: morning dude [10:09] davmor2: how are you buddy [10:10] MooDoo: annoyed that I missed out on RMS but happy that I got the release out, other than that happy it's friday [10:11] cool [10:11] davmor2, congrats on surviving beta freeze ;) [10:12] :) [10:12] gord: no this is ISD releases nothing to do with beta freeze but you can't leave it untested [10:14] ah, just assumed you had some client side stuff you needed released [10:15] i have an onboard nvidia ge 6150 card, and its really sluggish (even just using the desktop) on an otherwise good pc :( are the official nvidia drivers always the best way to go ? or can nouvaue driver ever be more suitable ? [10:16] oimon, for something that old, try the open source drivers [10:16] the 6150 isn't really even a 6000 series chip [10:16] it's better than the intel onboard i have on my work pc though, which works great [10:17] i'll try the nouveau - is it 3d supported at all? [10:17] enabled by default in O, you have to manually enable it in previous releases iirc === bigcalm_ is now known as bigcalm [10:38] brute-force configuration wins again :) === bigcalm__ is now known as bigcalm [11:32] popey: regarding your tweet, can you ask the guy if he's heard of Jesus, or the Beatles too..just interested === mrevell is now known as mrevell-lunch [11:50] oimon: haha [11:52] (he has) [11:54] popey: I hope you take your educating role seriously as you educate him in the knowledge of doctor who [11:55] or atleast aim for a hilariously confusing conversation based around the ambiguity of the name [12:13] hey it's a bank holiday on monday in the uK :D wooo! [12:14] yipee my fisrt full bank hol weekend off in years :) [12:17] MooDoo: That'll give you time to finish teh decorating won't it? Pink or blue walls :) [12:18] white is best...shows the crayon marks well [12:18] lol [12:18] a friend of mine had a kid who drew a treasure trail inside the house along walls and carpets [12:19] with a big fat marker pen [12:19] ours have never drawn on walls [12:19] they dont get let out of the cages for long enough [12:20] Are they still on the hampster wheels powering the electricity in the house [12:20] * oimon wonders if that massive apple shop in basingstoke has planning permission as a place of worship [12:20] mine 3 year old prefers angry birds on his mums photns [12:21] yay for bankholiday - will be travling to northampton then liverpool [12:21] :( [12:22] drawing on the walls is for newbies, when i was a kid i painted the fridge [12:22] LIverpool? That explains the sad face :) [12:22] freakyclown: look after you hubcaps! [12:22] popey: its ok its a hirecar :D [12:23] rather my hubcaps be stolen than the entire car on fire in london ;) [12:23] freakyclown: hire cars are the fastest cars you'll ever drive :) [12:23] gord: i still draw on my fridge...but on a boogieboard insted [12:23] daubers: er..what? [12:24] freakyclown: Since you're not paying for the maintenance, it's less worrying to over rev them and stress them more [12:24] not technically the "fastest" just least looked after ;) [12:24] pretty much everyone drives hire cars like they stole them [12:24] freakyclown: I drive them faster than I'd drive my own car :) [12:24] shauno: That's ok, everyone in liverpool did steal them [12:25] daubers, maybe so but the hire cars are so crap they cant go that fast anyway [12:25] Hippychick: Depends on the hire car. Last one I had had a v6 in it [12:25] well, as long as he remembers not to set fire to it when he parks it, he should be good :) [12:25] indeed i doubt this little alfa will be faster than say my old skyline [12:25] or at least thats the case for all the ones ive driven... [12:26] daubers, im not allowed one that powerful, too young :( [12:27] Hippychick: Technically, neither was I, but they'd given away all the rubbish cars by the time I rocked up [12:28] haha, lucky you :) [12:28] powerful cars are pointless where i live since it's all speed humps, traffic lights and traffic jams at 5mph [12:29] * MooDoo pats his motorbike :) [12:29] oimon: Then you need a powerful bike [12:29] * oimon wonders how he can check the expiry date of his MOT [12:29] oimon: It'll be yesterday [12:29] :( [12:29] oimon: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_10020539 [12:29] oimon: I think you can check on tyhe dvla website [12:30] it seems to want more info than i have with me :( [12:30] oimon: You can http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_10020539 I'ved used that in the past, I needed the info from the reg document though, I think that was the only way [12:30] it's probably easier to find my MOT cert lol [12:31] whenever i get home there's other stuff to do like putting the sprog to bed [12:32] My motorbike MOT runs out on saturday, can't afford to get it done until wednesday.... [12:32] SORN! [12:33] are we just yelling out random made up words now? [12:33] PIGGLERUNT! [12:33] ikonia, 24 cans of rbc. [12:33] popey: Already got it booked into the garage so don't need a SORN (apparently) === mrevell-lunch is now known as mrevell [12:34] popey: Also, I thought SORN's only applied to tax? [12:34] daubers: take the bike to the garage saturday and book it in for the wednesday ;) [12:35] problem solved [12:35] freakyclown: you can drive a vehicle to an MOT station with an expired MOT as long as it's taxed and insured [12:35] if you believe it will pass the MoT you're allowed to ride it to a booked MoT after its run out [12:35] (and the MOT is booked) [12:36] or just sell it and buy a car [12:36] since it was serviced last week, the MOT will be fine (or I'll harass the service place loudly) [12:36] freakyclown: Got one of those too [12:36] you keep dry and can go round corners faster :P [12:36] freakyclown: I can outpace a car around a corner on a bike....... [12:37] challenge accepted ;) [12:37] me want to play too [12:37] lol [12:37] freakyclown: Hmm.... for that challenge I might have to a) pass my bike test and b) get something faster than a 125 :p [12:37]