[01:24] <snap-l> Good evening
[01:24] <snap-l> had a lovely evening with my wife over at PF CHangs.
[01:24] <snap-l> and then a lovely time going to target to get her a new mouse
[01:25] <snap-l> It was, dare I say it, lovely.
[01:26] <rick_h_> ll
[01:26] <rick_h_> lol
[01:26] <rick_h_> I've installed java, added it to my path, and copied/pasted code and compiled it
[01:26] <snap-l> rick_h_: Congratulations, you got Java code to compile
[01:27] <snap-l> feels like you ran a marathon to the fridge, doesn't it?
[01:27] <rick_h_> I'm confused, I just declared a class, but call the file and it executes
[01:27] <rick_h_> it seems a bit wrong that there's no "create instance/call method" there
[01:27] <rick_h_> I suppose it's "main" magic
[01:30] <snap-l> I didn't think it did that, but it's been a while since I've done anything with Java.
[01:30] <snap-l> ie: creat code, not wrestle with dev environments
[02:36] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/2011/08/25/open-metalcast-special-episode-club-metal-5/
[11:44] <brousch> crud morning
[11:44] <Wolfger> crud morning!
[11:46] <brousch> one of our dogs goes nuts when a smoke alarm has a low battery which makes it beep every minute
[11:46] <brousch> of course this always happens at 3AM
[11:47] <brousch> it took me half an hour to find the offending alarm because it was on the floor under a pile of stuff in the basement. i have no idea how it got there
[11:47] <brousch> so, crud morning
[11:50] <DeaCon> http://www.crud.org/pages/ourdeal.html  heh funny
[12:01]  * Wolfger wonders if greg-g is going to be a member of CRUD
[12:01] <rick_h_> http://mhall119.com/2011/08/just-f-ing-do-it/
[12:02] <rick_h_> so I'm not sure if that means my coworkers should stop listening to me or what?
[12:02] <rick_h_> and morning
[12:02] <rick_h_> with a little crud
[12:06] <brousch> "But here’s the thing, if you already have something, and the people telling you to change it aren’t willing to help you change it, then just fucking do it, do it your way, even if it’s the wrong way. "
[12:07] <brousch> you are telling them to change and you are helping them
[12:07] <rick_h_> ah, ok I feel better then lol
[12:07] <rick_h_> I didn't like being the second line on that graph "is this much improvement really worth the time"
[12:08] <brousch> hm, the picture doesn't load for me
[12:08] <rick_h_> oh
[12:09] <brousch> looks like maybe he moved it to AWS and got the link wrong
[12:09] <rick_h_> http://blog_uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/solutions.png
[12:09] <rick_h_> is loading for me
[12:10] <brousch> doesn't load for me
[12:10] <rick_h_> hmm, is there a pypi or rubygems for java?
[12:10] <brousch> and does that really look like a valid url? doesn't seem unique enough to me
[12:10] <rick_h_> why not?
[12:10] <rick_h_> looks valid here
[12:11] <brousch> i changed it to http://mhall119.com//wp-content/uploads/2011/08/solutions.png
[12:11] <brousch> that works
[12:12] <brousch> wouldn't it require some kind of username or unique id in the url?
[12:13] <rick_h_> I figured the blog_uploads was it.
[12:13] <rick_h_> no idea why it works for me and not you
[12:16] <brousch> weird
[12:24] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:26] <brousch> this caffeinated coffee is really hitting the spot today
[12:38] <jjesse> brousch bummer on the morning
[12:39] <snap-l> reminds me of the time when our brilliant maintenance man threw out our smoke detector in the dumpster
[12:39] <snap-l> (back at the apartments)
[12:40] <snap-l> and forgot to take out the battery that was in there
[12:40] <snap-l> I actually dove into the dumpster at 3AM to find it and remove the battery.
[12:45] <brousch> after about 20 minutes i was considering whther it was easier to find the hidden alarm or snap my dog's neck
[12:45] <Wolfger> :-(
[12:45] <Wolfger> --
[12:45] <snap-l> after 20 minutes at 3am, that would be a valid option
[12:46] <snap-l> explaining it to the rest of the family might not be the best
[13:09] <brousch> there would be little love lost
[13:09] <jjesse> it seems half of my co-workers won't be getting out of the site they are working at due to all the cancelations of flights/etc for irene
[13:09] <jjesse> seems crazy
[13:10] <snap-l> jjesse: Ugh, so they're going to have to weather it out?
[13:11] <jjesse> or drive
[13:11] <snap-l> Ugh
[13:11] <jjesse> totally
[13:11] <jjesse> most of them are in multi-week engagements they plan on coming home each weekend for family
[13:11] <jjesse> boston has cancled most of flights already
[13:11] <jjesse> so they either drive home or weather it out
[13:13] <snap-l> or get a cab and try to find another airport, but that could get expensive quick
[13:13] <jjesse> yeah really expensive
[13:14] <jjesse> cab + flight change + hotel?
[13:15] <snap-l> Yeah, although you could do it without the hotel
[13:16] <snap-l> I mean, with enough cash anything is possible
[13:16] <Wolfger> spoken like a true American
[13:17] <snap-l> Everyone and everything has a price
[13:17] <snap-l> I buy you for $3.50. :)
[13:18] <Wolfger> I'd like a rickshaw ride from Boston to Detroit. Here's my titanium Visa.
[13:18] <Wolfger> $3.50 will get you a few minutes of my time
[13:18] <jjesse> nice titanium visa ;:)
[13:18] <Wolfger> ok, maybe 10 minutes
[13:18] <jjesse> is that like the black american express
[13:19] <snap-l> Wolfger: I want quality time, or the deal is off
[13:19] <Wolfger> jjesse: I'm guessing. It just sounded impressive. :-)
[13:19] <snap-l> Also note: you need to have a willing buyer and a willing seller.
[13:19] <snap-l> If eBay and Craigslist have taught us anything, it's the nature of value
[13:20] <snap-l> also, people will list some strange shit.
[13:20] <Wolfger> or take photos of reflective surfaces while not wearing any clothes...
[13:21] <jjesse> i wonder how heavy the titanium visa would be
[13:21] <jjesse> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centurion_Card
[13:22] <jjesse> an american express created out of titanium
[13:25] <Wolfger> wow
[13:25] <Wolfger> $5,000 to get it, $2,500/year to keep it.
[13:25] <Wolfger> Most of my cards have had < $5,000 limit. :-p
[13:25] <jjesse> yeah apparently its invite only or something
[13:26] <Wolfger> It's the "I'm ridiculously wealthy and I want you to know it" card.
[13:27] <rick_h_> dammit, people stop posting blog posts that "speak to me" today...gah! http://frazzleddad.blogspot.com/2011/08/maybe-youre-not-right-and-theyre-not.html
[13:32] <Wolfger> rick_h_: all progress depends upon the unreasonable man...
[13:34] <Wolfger> That blog post does nothing but insert the voice of doubt. I don't see one constructive thing in there.
[13:34] <rick_h_> hah, well maybe just a sanity check...if you're the one against the grain, maybe it's time to find another place where you're not alone and let them live their way
[13:34] <Wolfger> well, if you're unhappy there, that may be true.
[13:35] <Wolfger> if they're unhappy with you, it soon will be true :-)
[13:36] <Wolfger> but in my experience most people do things a certain way just because "that's how it's done", without any thought about whether or not it's the best (or even right) way.
[13:38] <Wolfger> guilty of that myself on occasion
[13:38] <Wolfger> thinking is hard; established procedure is easy.
[13:39] <rick_h_> heh, other way around. It's easy to think of what should be done, hard to get it implemented
[13:40] <Wolfger> "Nobody ever got fired for X" (where X is some industry standard way of doing things)... That may be true, but it's also been years if not decades since anybody got catapulted to success for doing X, too.
[13:41] <Wolfger> and the first person to do
[13:41] <Wolfger> X was sure risking getting fired for it
[13:41] <Wolfger> :-)
[13:54] <rick_h_> lol, https://github.com/qoda/python-wkhtmltopdf/issues/1
[13:56] <_stink_> "no, there is no way, plz write it."
[13:56] <rick_h_> ah, that's clearer :)
[13:56] <_stink_> :P
[14:11] <rick_h_> Blazeix: what's the final verdict on your DX?
[14:11] <rick_h_> I'm |  | close to trying to get one
[14:12] <rick_h_> size is the main concern, do you use it for normal book/bed reading kind of stuff?
[14:14] <Blazeix> rick_h_: I don't read in bed, but for lounging on the couch it works well.
[14:14] <Blazeix> I can bring it to CHC if you want to get another read on the size.
[14:14] <Blazeix> I'd by the DX again, given the choice.
[14:14] <rick_h_> yea, I'm really wanting one for my technical reading, for pdfs, books I buy outside of the amazon store
[14:14] <Blazeix> s/by/buy/
[14:14] <rick_h_> but worried about the casual reading I also do on it with it being larger/heavier
[14:14] <rick_h_> I honestly don't want to keep both kindles
[14:15] <rick_h_> cool, that's good to know
[14:15] <rick_h_> I hadn't heard if you were happy/not with the final choice. So that's cool
[14:17] <Blazeix> yeah, I have an android dev book on it, so the big screen is nice when dealing with java code :)
[14:17] <Blazeix> though in general i try to get hard copy of tech books, since i jump around a lot.
[14:18] <Blazeix> I imagine they're due for a product refresh, soon.
[14:19] <Wolfger> Impressive: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2011/08/stealing_atm_pi.html
[14:19] <Wolfger> They should file a patent on that process ;-)
[14:20] <brousch> geez
[14:20] <rick_h_> Blazeix: yea, this fall
[14:20] <rick_h_> so will wait a little bit
[14:21] <rick_h_> but if the change isn't much, I'm also tempted to try to get a cheaper DX
[14:21] <rick_h_> the tablets are all the rage for this fall release, and they say new kindle
[14:21] <brousch> isn't new kindle an android tablet?
[14:22] <jrwren> Anybody know a web designer with decent WP skills in the Birmingham
[14:22] <jrwren> area? A friend of a friend needs some short-term help. Likely a $1-2K
[14:22] <jrwren> project.
[14:23] <rick_h_> brousch: no, tablets are separate from kindle
[14:23] <rick_h_> the sales tell you that
[14:23] <rick_h_> jrwren: Mat might know, he's more hooked into local PHP in that area
[14:23] <rick_h_> shoot me an email and I'll send it along
[14:25] <jrwren> rick_h_: i forwarded the original
[14:25] <rick_h_> ty
[14:39] <_stink_> snap-l: just grabbed that projectile motion demo
[14:40] <_stink_> pretty neat
[14:40] <_stink_> the most fun part was firing a huge volley of like 20
[14:41] <rick_h_> yea, that seemed to be brousch's favorite part as well
[14:41] <brousch> _stink_: you have to completely obliterate the wall
[14:41] <brousch> land the shells on top of the wall
[14:44] <snap-l> _stink_: Yeah, I had a lot of fun debugging it that way. ;)
[14:55] <snap-l> http://identi.ca/notice/81715406
[15:00] <_stink_> hah, those books were all over the Borders in Birmingham
[15:00] <_stink_> even at 40% off
[15:01] <brousch> rick_h_: i was moving around vim using vim movement commands and deleting things in chunks instead of 1 letter at a time today
[15:01] <rick_h_> brousch: awesome!
[15:01] <rick_h_> you're well on your way
[15:05] <snap-l> http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596007195
[15:05] <snap-l> DDREV gets you 50% off.
[16:02] <brousch> wow, rick_h_'s messing around helped me today. got sent an email with an embedded data uri
[16:02] <brousch> i would have nfc what that was
[16:07] <rick_h_> yea, lot of email does that since most web clients won't load external images by default for security
[16:07] <rick_h_> I'll have to show you my stuff, it's starting to come together
[16:08] <rick_h_> going to be pretty badass to add pdf export to any web app
[16:12] <rick_h_> woot, new super antenna is in
[16:13] <devinheitmueller> rick_h_: any real difference in tuning quality?
[16:13] <rick_h_> devinheitmueller: will let you know, going through assembly
[16:16] <devinheitmueller> Just FYI:  you can actually see the signal quality if you run asap.  Just look at the SNR field.  It's in hex, but if you convert it to decimal and multiply by 10, you will get the SNR in dB.  The maximum SNR possible is 30.0 dB.
[16:16] <devinheitmueller> E.g.  SNR=0x12c = 300 decimal = 30.0 dB.
[16:20] <rick_h_> asap?
[16:21] <devinheitmueller> Doh.  The IRC client changed "azap" to "asap".  Sorry.
[16:21] <rick_h_> ah ok
[16:30] <rick_h_> devinheitmueller: I'm only getting in dmesg "firmware was not loaded previously"
[16:31] <rick_h_> didn't we get a "successfully loaded firmware" or something before?
[16:34] <rick_h_> there we go, finding a lot more channels now
[16:35] <snap-l> rick_h_: Awesomesauce.
[16:35] <rick_h_> think I got 7 (some sd/hd dupes) now vs 3 or 4 before
[16:35] <rick_h_> 3 more
[16:35] <rick_h_> have to see how they look
[16:35] <rick_h_> and then try from the attic sometime
[16:35] <rick_h_> don't know the wife wants this zip tied to the deck lol
[16:35] <snap-l> Just say it's the new Dish network. ;)
[16:36] <rick_h_> lol
[16:36] <rick_h_> man, even more
[16:36] <rick_h_> awesome!
[16:36]  * rick_h_ hopes this works
[16:39] <jrwren> new antenae or just moved it?
[16:40] <rick_h_> new
[16:40] <jrwren> cool!
[16:40] <rick_h_> https://plus.google.com/112719704219936118281/posts/5UPpHDadcNV
[16:40] <jrwren> i want to do the same thing, and my distance is further AFAIK
[16:42] <rick_h_> yea, this thing is picking up everything
[16:43] <rick_h_> 7 channels with HD
[16:43] <rick_h_> two I odn't know, there're listed multiple times, but don't say hd/sd
[16:43] <rick_h_> damn, kaffiene crashing on me
[16:46] <devinheitmueller> rick_h_:  after you do the scan, exit out of Kaffeine and re-enter it.  Then see if it still crashes.
[16:47] <devinheitmueller> Glad to hear the new antenna is working well for you though.
[16:47] <rick_h_> yea, as soon as I hit the dtv, it loads and then crashes
[16:48] <devinheitmueller> Ugh.
[16:48] <rick_h_> what else would take that azap format channel list?
[16:48] <rick_h_> I created that channel list before remember kaffeine would scan itself
[16:49] <devinheitmueller> No easy answer there; you would probably have to compile kaffeine from source and get a gdb backtrace.
[16:49] <devinheitmueller> mplayer will take the azap format.
[16:49] <devinheitmueller> You have to copy the channels.conf into ~/.mplayer, then you can do "mplayer dvb://WABC-DT"
[16:51] <rick_h_> ugh, per channel eh?
[16:51] <devinheitmueller> Sorry, if I wasn't clear, "~/.mplayer" needs to be a directory, not a file.
[16:51] <rick_h_> yea, figured that part
[16:51] <devinheitmueller> I think you can do channel up/down once inside mplayer.
[16:51] <devinheitmueller> I forget the syntax though.
[16:51] <rick_h_> just mean that you have to launch mplayer to the channel you want vs change channel
[16:51] <rick_h_> ah, ok
[16:52] <devinheitmueller> rick_h_: see here:  http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/mpeg_decoders.html
[16:52] <devinheitmueller> You can use "h" and "k" to do next and previous.
[16:52] <devinheitmueller> …. and you can just do "dvb://" instead of specifying an initial channel name to get the first channel in your channels.conf.
[16:53] <rick_h_> yea, I started it with that and got a first working channel
[16:53] <rick_h_> woot! working
[16:53] <devinheitmueller> Sorry, I don't do this particular use case every day, so I'm a little slow in telling you what the commands/keys are etc.
[16:54] <rick_h_> thanks, that helped me sanity check
[16:54] <rick_h_> the big job now is ot test it from the attic, and see if it still picks up
[16:54] <rick_h_> and if so, running cable from there down into the basement *ugh*
[16:55] <rick_h_> jrwren: this model says 65mi vs the older one said 30mi
[16:55] <rick_h_> the 30mi didn't pick up anything at my house 18-25mi from the towers
[17:05] <Dekkard> tinycore rocks
[17:11] <greg-g> Wolfger: I'm going to say no, I'm not going to join CRUD
[17:14] <brousch> lame
[17:14] <greg-g> still in Winnemucca, NV
[17:15] <brousch> is that a casino town?
[17:15] <brousch> winyemucha
[17:15] <greg-g> and seriously, when driving out west from utah to california, check the map twice before going and taking the short cut through the desert, we almost ran out of gas yesterday
[17:15] <greg-g> brousch: everything out here is :)
[17:16] <greg-g> the effing gas stations have slot machines
[17:18] <snap-l> The airport has slot machines
[17:18] <snap-l> You can't get rid of that stupid slot machine sound
[17:19] <brousch> so how much have you played?
[17:21] <greg-g> Zero.
[17:21] <brousch> YOU CAN'T WIN IF YOU DON'T PLAY!
[17:21] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, I used to work at a fun park in Hannibal, MO in High School that had an arcade. I can still hear the machines doing their thing in my sleep.
[17:23] <rick_h_> phew, attic is HOT
[17:25] <greg-g> we drove through 105F desert yesterday :)
[17:29] <snap-l> greg-g: btw: is there a way to change the team contact on the loco directory page for UbuMI?
[17:30] <greg-g> hmmm, it should be a function of what the LP team is
[17:30] <greg-g> brb call
[17:30] <devinheitmueller> https://plus.google.com/u/0/117949622109501454770/posts/QxmUEcopQ44
[17:31] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: I might be interested in those.
[17:33] <devinheitmueller> the shelf, or the tables?
[17:33] <snap-l> The shelf and possibly the tables.
[17:34] <snap-l> If someone else really wants them, though, by all means let them have them. :)
[17:36] <Wolfger> I despise non-technical people writing about technical things.
[17:36] <snap-l> Wolfger: What happened now?
[17:37] <Wolfger> "DTE is planning to have these three wind farms operational by December 2012, which together will generate approximately 110 megawatts."
[17:37] <snap-l> Pffft
[17:37] <Wolfger> 110 MW? In their entire lifespan?
[17:37] <Wolfger> Per year?
[17:37] <Wolfger> Hour?
[17:37] <Wolfger> Minute?
[17:37] <Wolfger> Second?
[17:38] <snap-l> millisecond?
[17:38] <jrwren> power is not a measurement in time.
[17:38] <Wolfger> They couldn't even be bothered to make some vague claim as to how many cities it would power.
[17:38] <jrwren> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Power_%28physics%29
[17:39] <jrwren> or rather, that is the instantaneous power.
[17:39] <jrwren> wow.
[17:39] <jrwren> and I was a physics minor.
[17:39] <jrwren> i fucking suck.
[17:39] <jrwren> power is a measurement in time.
[17:39] <jrwren> W = j/s
[17:39] <snap-l> jrwren: Thank you. :)
[17:39] <jrwren> ya'll can belittle me now.
[17:40] <snap-l> For a minute I was thinking up was down, left was right...
[17:40] <Wolfger> meh
[17:40] <jrwren> the derivation of instantaneous power always threw me.
[17:40] <Wolfger> it's Friday afternoon, I'm half asleep at my deak
[17:40] <Wolfger> desk
[17:40] <jrwren> is _stink_ here... shit.
[17:40] <jrwren> _stink_: don't read up.
[17:40] <jrwren> :p
[17:40] <snap-l> heh
[17:40] <snap-l> I'm telling JoDee. :)
[17:40] <Wolfger> I just know I get billed per kilowatthour :-p
[17:40] <snap-l> She'll school you.
[17:41] <Wolfger> and W = ie not j/s in my world ;-)
[17:42] <jrwren> in what world do you live?
[17:42] <Wolfger> err... no... that's P = ie
[17:42] <Wolfger> But P is measured in W :-p
[17:42]  * Wolfger goes back to sleep at his desk. Carry on.
[17:44] <jrwren> so j/s = W = V A ?
[17:45] <_stink_> jrwren: i have gone through that in my head about 1 billion times.  i understand :)
[17:45] <jrwren> great. _stink_ understands my stupid.
[17:45] <Wolfger> jrwren: W in this context is Work not Watts :-p
[17:45] <jrwren> oh.
[17:45] <_stink_> physics is good at making one realize one's own stupid.
[17:46] <rick_h_> woot, works from the attic as well, lost wdiv though :(
[17:46] <_stink_> like most of my life.
[17:48] <Wolfger> half asleep + timecard already approved by project manager who left for vacation = why am I still here?
[17:51] <brousch> Wolfger: because you love working
[17:52] <Wolfger> if I was working I wouldn't be half asleep. I'm wallowing in a morass of red tape.
[17:54] <brousch> sounds confortable
[17:58] <Dekkard> hmm
[17:58] <Dekkard> no gamerchick
[17:59]  * Dekkard wonders if she got hired...
[18:02] <Wolfger> no gamerchick02? Are you sure? I see her, Dekkard
[18:02] <gamerchick02> yeah, i'm here
[18:02] <gamerchick02> not hired yet.
[18:04] <ColonelPanic001> wat
[18:07] <devinheitmueller> snap-l: you're welcome to whatever subset of the shelf/tables you want.  I definitely cannot take them back to NYC with me (they won't fit in the car), so it's either I give them away or they go in the dumpster.
[18:08] <Dekkard> damnit
[18:08] <Dekkard> didja apply to Linamar?
[18:09] <snap-l> I'm looking to get some pencils to give out as favors for the Ubuntu MI loco.
[18:10] <snap-l> http://www.orientaltrading.com/mega-personalized-pencil-assortment-a2-47_362-18-0.fltr
[18:13] <gamerchick02> Dekkard, i think i did. i had an interview wednesday at Piolax and i feel good about it
[18:13] <gamerchick02> snap-l cool
[18:15] <gamerchick02> that's actually a really good idea, snap-l. what are you going to put on them?
[18:16] <snap-l> ubuntu MI loco
[18:16] <snap-l> I don't think I can fit a URL on there
[18:17] <gamerchick02> hrm. what about a twitter name or something?
[18:17] <gamerchick02> @ubuntumi
[18:17] <gamerchick02> or whatever.
[18:18] <snap-l> Save for we don't have that twitter name that I'm aware of. ;)
[18:18] <gamerchick02> ah. well... just a thought.
[18:24] <ColonelPanic001> shame it's hard to get a twitter account
[18:25]  * ColonelPanic001 goes to register it and squat
[18:25] <brousch> rick_h_: have you poked at http://khufuproject.github.com/ yet?
[18:25] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: Feel free. ;)
[18:26] <ColonelPanic001> I'm not enough of a dick
[18:26] <ColonelPanic001> almost, though
[18:26] <ColonelPanic001> almost.
[18:26] <brousch> so you're just a little dick?
[18:27] <snap-l> I'd rather someone from the loco register it than leave it out there
[18:27] <ColonelPanic001> brousch: no comment
[18:27] <ColonelPanic001> snap-l: yeah, guess that's true.
[18:28]  * brousch registers fakeubuntumi
[18:29] <gamerchick02> it's hard to get a twitter account?
[18:29] <brousch> well it's hard if the name is already taken
[18:30] <gamerchick02> it's already taken
[18:30] <gamerchick02> ?
[18:30] <gamerchick02> ubuntumi doesn't exist
[18:30] <ColonelPanic001> I was just being sarcastic at the time.
[18:30] <brousch> someone has to care for and feed it
[18:31] <gamerchick02> ubuntu-us-mi isn't taken
[18:31] <ColonelPanic001> TAKE THEM ALL
[18:31] <gamerchick02> that's true, but can't that be done through RSS and stuff?
[18:31] <brousch> it's a time thing
[18:31] <gamerchick02> NOMnomNOM *eats twitter accounts*
[18:31] <gamerchick02> true, it is
[18:32] <gamerchick02> i manage my own, and our Nile Temple's and my OES chapter's. i'm not up for another one right now.
[18:35] <snap-l> They're talking about Dethklok on 101.9
[18:36] <Wolfger> .9?
[18:36] <snap-l> WDET
[18:36] <Wolfger> I was going to say... that's not the WRIF...
[18:36] <snap-l> http://www.wdet.org/
[18:37] <snap-l> It's about cartoons and music
[18:37] <snap-l> They had the singer from Jem and the Holograms on there.
[18:57] <jrwren> O_O
[18:57] <jrwren> snap-l: they did not!  That is truly outrageous!
[18:57] <snap-l> Why not?
[18:57] <snap-l> It's a program called "soundcheck"
[18:58] <jrwren> wow.
[18:58] <jrwren> that is truly truly truly outrageous.
[19:00] <snap-l> Why is that outrageous?
[19:11] <jrwren> i'm quoting the Jem theme song.
[19:11] <jrwren> Jem.
[19:11] <jrwren>  truly truly truly outrageous
[19:11] <snap-l> jrwren: Apparently you watched it way more than I did. ;)
[19:13] <ColonelPanic001> what about the Jem'hadar
[19:13] <ColonelPanic001> ?
[19:15] <jrwren> ColonelPanic001: LOL!
[19:15] <jrwren> ColonelPanic001: you made me spit the peach I was eating.
[19:16] <ColonelPanic001> \o/
[19:16] <jrwren> that was DS9, right?
[19:16] <ColonelPanic001> yeah
[19:16] <jrwren> \m/
[19:31] <Dekkard> mind the gap
[20:13] <rick_h_> brousch: I've followed it, but personally not a fan of "hey, don't use pyramid, use some extra layer that hides things and will have to keep up with the normal pyramid releases"
[20:14] <brousch> hm, i thought that was the whole point of this pyramid thing
[20:14] <brousch> so people can make easy to use subsets
[20:14] <rick_h_> yea, but so far I've been willing to do without
[20:16] <rick_h_> the thing is that if you use osmething layered on something else you eventually need to know how to use the lower end tool to fix something
[20:18] <brousch> so it might be good for someone that knows pyramid and is looking to dev in it a little faster?
[20:19] <rick_h_> well, it all came about as a helper for people used to pylons that didn't "get" pyramid
[20:19] <rick_h_> so if you're learning pyramid, I'm not sure what it will do besides bootstrap pylons-isms back into place
[20:19] <brousch> ah, so it's a pylons-like subset of pyramid
[20:19] <rick_h_> well, superset
[20:19] <rick_h_> it adds on
[20:22] <brousch> I'm going through the Pyramid docs for 1.2. they are much improved over a year ago? when i last read them
[20:23] <brousch> it also helps that i've made a few webapps and know wtf some of this stuff is for now
[20:26] <brousch> the 2 hours i spent making that cherrypy/mako/sqlalchemy app yesterday was very enlightening. i'm thinking it might make a good beginner's tutorial session for next year's pyohio. "So you sort of know Python? Let's make a webapp!"
[20:27] <brousch> go from virtualenv - mod_wsgi
[20:46] <jrwren> anyone know that status of CVE-2011-3192 on a default ubuntu?
[20:47] <jrwren> this is teh apache Range header DoS that hit this week.
[20:51] <snap-l> Haven't seen an update on it
[20:51] <snap-l> The bug has been around since 2007, though
[20:51] <jrwren> yes, but only recently discovered, right?
[20:52] <snap-l> No, it was on the apache bug reporter since 2007
[20:52] <snap-l> it just got some attention this week
[20:52] <jrwren> interesting.
[20:54] <jrwren> attention because active attacks are in the wild.
[20:54] <jrwren> i should attack myself :)
[20:54] <snap-l> Heh
[20:55] <snap-l> So it's a case of someone finding some old bugs that nobody paid much attention to, and exploiting it
[21:53] <jrwren> yup, but still important
[23:11] <brousch> of all the frameworks i've tried so far, pyramid is the easiest to get hooked up right for mod_wsgi
[23:19] <jrwren> even easier than paste?
[23:19] <brousch> well it uses paste
[23:20] <jrwren> oh, cool
[23:20] <brousch> but i mean for actually getting the app working with mod_wsgi
[23:20] <brousch> and apache
[23:20] <brousch> there's a .wsgi file you have to make, and each framework's is a little different
[23:21] <brousch> and getting that just right and the apache visrtualhost just right is a pain in my ass
[23:23] <rick_h_> yea
[23:23] <rick_h_> http://docs.bmark.us/hosting.html#hosting-with-nginx-uwsgi
[23:24] <rick_h_> brousch: if you get a good apache setup and care to write it down I'd love to add some more apache/wsgi in there
[23:26] <brousch> https://bmark.us/redirect/0cf3c596df1db0
[23:26] <brousch> ah, i see what you mean
[23:26] <brousch> yeah, i'll give it a try
[23:40] <brousch> bam, it works
[23:41] <brousch> only gotcha was i had to use the full path to the DB. for some reason i had a relative path, so i'm guessing that's how it was in the instructions