[00:00]  * dthacker pushes the "akonadi tray utility" button for kicks
[00:01] <dthacker> I have a resources configuration and a server configuration tab
[00:02] <dthacker> akonadi is running and passes the "test" button
[00:03] <avihay> I want to monitor a machins temperture over ssh, for that I want a simple script, or preferably a one line bash command that will (since I cant read the proc file) run sensors | grep °C , and then run sleep(60). will someone be so kind as to save me the bash manual? don't know how to make the loop...
[00:07] <dthacker> avihay: http://paste.kde.org/114775/
[00:08] <avihay> dhavalp_: thanks
[00:08] <avihay> I'm guessing I can type it in one line with ;?
[00:09] <dthacker> avihay: don't know. try it and see...
[00:10] <avihay> unexpected token. oh, well...
[00:10] <avihay> the ; is the said token
[00:16] <dthacker> any reply is now getting the invalid transport error.
[00:17] <dthacker> I have set transports to be selectable.   No matter what I select, the same text comes up.
[00:25] <theredman> any guys that understand vsftp fairly well?
[00:32] <StepNjump> Hi guys, I am trying to connect to the windows network with SMB but it down't seem to connect. PLease help.
[00:37] <sillykone> So, I get this weird thing in Kubuntu where the message indicator starts some tasks.  They're completely blank and they line up one after another.  A lot of times I have at least 8 blank jobs running.  Then the plasma panel will randomly crash and come back.  Anyone else have this problem?
[00:44] <neo69> hi
[00:44] <neo69> can someone help me install a card reader?
[01:01]  * sillykone is away: Gone away for now
[01:07] <neo69> can someone help me install a card reader? Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832
[01:09]  * sillykone is back.
[01:15] <SubCool> RE-PROVING MY POINT!!! -- I just got locked out of my LIVEUSB because i dont know the default passwd for the defualt user..
[01:17] <SubCool> Im really tired of being right, and having you guys tell me im wrong
[01:18] <well_laid_lawn> who are you talking to? who's telling you you're wrong?
[01:20] <SubCool> this is an old rant,.. from earlier today and yesterday
[01:21] <SubCool> i just got locked out of my LiveUSB because i didnt create a user... -
[01:21] <SubCool> how do you check current disk space?
[01:24] <neo69> SubCool: df -h
[01:28] <SubCool> neo69, thanks
[01:33] <avihay> SubCool: you don't go and set a password for the root user, you just change the default user password
[01:36] <SubCool> avihay, doent matter. After a certain update is installed, i get locked out of the liveusb
[01:38] <SubCool> this happens EVERY time.
[01:38] <avihay> not getting over the size limit of the USB?
[01:38] <SubCool> i have a pswd for the default user, the root user and even a created user. Now i cant log in
[01:38] <SubCool> avihay, thats what i was thinking, ill find out now-ish..
[01:39] <SubCool> ugh- the drive is full.
[01:40] <SubCool> this thing fills up quickly..
[01:40] <avihay> ya, was trying to live with a live kubuntu on a 1 GB stick
[01:41] <SubCool> i have a 8gb
[01:41] <avihay> you should have plenty of room then
[01:41] <SubCool> appears the root partition is only 3gb big.
[01:41] <SubCool> i have to find to clear space, AND expand that parition..
[01:42] <SubCool> how do i do that?? lol
[01:43] <avihay> I don't know, it should auto-expand or something, I think
[01:43] <bazhang> not with that
[01:43] <bazhang> a live usb is the wrong way to do it, as well
[01:48] <SubCool> im back to where we started
[01:48] <yayo> buenas noches
[01:48] <SubCool> gn
[01:48] <yayo> necesito algo de informacion
[01:49] <SubCool> so then how do i do this?
[01:49] <SubCool> re-do it all with unetboot again?
[01:50] <bazhang> !es | yayo
[01:56] <SubCool> so how do i clear up some space? i havent downloaded nearly anything...
[01:56] <bazhang> a live usb will simply reset upon reboot
[02:05] <James147> bazhang: not if its presistant
[02:05] <bazhang> James147, true, then its not live
[02:05] <James147> SubCool: not sure about unetbootin... but usb-creator (included with *ubuntu) you can pick the size of the presistant partition when creating the disk
[02:06] <James147> bazhang: but it is live ^^ (in ever other sence of the word) its not a full install but can write changes to spical partition on the disk
[02:08] <SubCool> sounds all the same to me. It requested for me to specifiy saved space for things to be saved. But- how did it get ful sooo quickly? How do i clear some of it?
[02:08] <James147> SubCool: depends what you did to it
[02:10] <James147> SubCool: one thing you might want to do instead of installing stuff to the disk is create a custom image and install taht to the disk - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[02:22] <SubCool> James147, i was thinking about something like that. Might be a better route... i havent had a fully running image to be able to try..
[02:26] <pacific> I am unable to set correct 'ondemand' cpufreqpolicy on Kubuntu11.04, I tried the commands 'sudo cpufreq-set -c 0 -g ondemand -d 1000MHz -u 1.83GHz' and similarly for other core. When I cpufreq-info -- it always says ondemand governor will choose between 1000MHz and !000MHz. Any help/suggenstions? Thanks.
[02:39] <SubCool> i just cleared some space, and i still cant log in..
[02:48] <SubCool> well, i figured out that the computer had crapped out when it was full.
[02:49] <SubCool> what a chore. -
[03:19] <SubCool> this isnt going very well. anyone around?
[03:19] <SubCool> LiveUSB assistance
[03:24] <SubCool> where would i look to see what errors are occuring when i fail to login?
[03:40] <Daskreech> SubCool: dmesg
[03:42] <SubCool> what should i look for? the last lines do not say anything to do with KDE, GUI.. or well.. login?
[04:09] <Daskreech> SubCool: It wouldn't
[04:09] <Daskreech> that would be in ~/.xsession-errors
[04:56] <dcndrew> Hi! I'm using Kubuntu 11.04 with Hungarian Language. Any software I use, if there is spellcheck, it works fine, but in Kmail first time I don't have spellcheck, then it change to English. I switch it to Hungarian, but after minutes it changes back to English. Does anyone have any idea why is it?
[04:56] <dcndrew> Thanks
[06:57] <warpzero> how do i install all of kde on ubuntu *without* turning it into kubuntu (startup screens, etc.)
[07:04] <pants1> I think the package is kde-desktop
[07:04] <pants1> not sure
[07:04] <pants1> there might be several
[07:06] <tobago> which is the best tool for creating dvd's from an avi (whatever encryption) file?
[07:07] <warpzero> thanks pants1
[09:33] <_BS_> Have two machines, both with same result to dnsdomainname. On the first machine I can not ping the other, even though it is in the hosts file (no domain listed on that entry). If I ping <machine>.local, it resolves. Where do I put (a) assume .mydomain to anything with only a machine name; (b) search .local as well?
[09:34] <_BS_> It's not that I have to restart networking, by any chance, is it?
[09:57] <[deXter]> Hi all, installed nvidia drivers and system isn't booting up
[09:57] <[deXter]> Any fixes other than uninstalling the driver?
[09:58] <[deXter]> Or for that matter, would typing "apt-get remove nvidia-current" work just like that?
[10:12] <szal> [deXter]: how did you install the nVidia driver?  and, define 'isn't booting up'
[10:13] <[deXter]> szal: apt-get install nvidia-current
[10:13] <[deXter]> after adding the ppa
[10:13] <szal> what ppa?
[10:13] <[deXter]> ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[10:14] <szal> what card?
[10:14] <[deXter]> 7600GT
[10:14] <szal> k, correct driver
[10:14] <szal> but what does 'isn't booting up' mean exactly?
[10:14] <[deXter]> and not booting up as in monitor goes "no signal"
[10:14] <[deXter]> immediately after POST
[10:15] <[deXter]> and if it matters, the computer was never restarted after the driver install
[10:15] <[deXter]> it was hibernated
[10:15] <szal> then reboot it
[10:16] <[deXter]> of course
[10:16] <[deXter]> but it wont boot up
[10:16] <[deXter]> just thought I'd mention that, if it has any bearing to the issue..
[10:16] <_BS_> Suppose I have a sub-direct 'Me'. How do I make 'cd me' work?
[10:16] <_BS_> sub-direct -> sub-directory
[10:16] <[deXter]> _BS_: make a symlink to Me
[10:16] <_BS_> I'll say this another way ... how do I gain case INsensitivity.
[10:17] <szal> _BS_: you don't
[10:17] <_BS_> OK, then what's 'shopt -s nocaseglob nocasematch' all about then?
[10:18] <_BS_> or, 'set completion-ignore-case on' in /etc/inputrc?
[10:19]  * szal has never messed w/ that sort of stuff
[10:20] <[deXter]> _BS_: It sounds like it's for TAB autocomplete only
[10:21] <szal> [deXter]: tried the failsafe boot option yet?
[10:22] <[deXter]> szal: not yet, will try that out
[10:22] <szal> [deXter]: if that at least brings up text mode, be sure to execute 'sudo nvidia-xconfig' if you haven't already & reboot again..  and use a digital connection from gfx card to monitor if available
[10:23] <[deXter]> ah, that's a handy command szal
[10:23]  * [deXter] uses aticonfig on ATi machines..
[10:23] <_BS_> Ach. Yeah I got that. The 'ach' is to bash, not you. The case insensitivity appears to be for the completion (remainder) part. In this case, you have to type one letter (to allow completion) yet the first letter is the one of the wrong case. e.g. 'cd m<tab>' fails.
[10:24] <[deXter]> _BS_: how exactly did you set completion-ignore-case on ?
[10:24] <_BS_> Having problems thinking of good case test.
[10:24] <_BS_> In /etc/inputrc
[10:25] <[deXter]> You mean manually?
[10:25] <[deXter]> edited the file and all?
[10:25] <_BS_> There is no ~/.inputrc
[10:25] <_BS_> deXter: Yes. (Of course.)
[10:25] <[deXter]> oh,
[10:25] <[deXter]> _BS_: well the proper way to do is:   bind 'set completion-ignore-case on'
[10:26] <_BS_> deXter: Was going to say, you seem surprised. Doing 'man bind' reveals 'bind a name to a socket.' Confused.
[10:26] <_BS_> deXter: Not objecting to what you're saying, just confused.
[10:28] <[deXter]> _BS_: you're looking at the wrong bind :)
[10:28] <_BS_> Interesting.(And why I'm having problems coming up with a test case.) If I create 'aBc', set completion-ignore-case on, or off, still completes the name, at 'cd a<tab>'.
[10:28] <_BS_> deXter: ah, bind is an internal bash operative?
[10:29] <_BS_> ach. I hate 'man bash'. SO much stuff to chew through looking for the specifics on a builtin. <sigh>
[10:30] <[deXter]> hmm, lemme try a test case myself
[10:30] <[deXter]> O.o .. works for me
[10:32] <_BS_> deXter: What I meant was, regardless of the setting, for aBc, the completion occurs just fine. I expected, with one setting or the other, for the completion not to happen. [Which is all to say, I'm misunderstanding something.]
[10:32] <[deXter]> and I still say it's weird because that's not how it's supposed to work..
[10:32] <[deXter]> If it's off it's not supposed to auto-complete
[10:33] <_BS_> deXter: ah, hadn't picked up on that. (That you thought that way.) So, you're saying what you're experiencing is also weird.
[10:33] <[deXter]> No, I'm saying what *you're* experiencing is weird :P
[10:34] <[deXter]> The command works fine on my system..
[10:34] <_BS_> So, my situation: "bind 'set completion-ignore-case on'" "cd a<tab>" does not complete. Turning the option on, it does complete. Which seems backwards.
[10:35] <_BS_> At the time, the corresponding additional command I just put in is commented out, in /etc/inputrc.
[10:36] <[deXter]> after commenting out the line in the inputrc, did you restart the shell (or spawn a new one)?
[10:38] <_BS_> THAT, is the question, and I think the reason for all of my confusion. I restarted nothing. So, probably all is working as it should and as YOU expect, given that using bind is affecting things as you expect. i.e. bind is affecting the current shell, so I'm finally seeing the impact of the changes I'm attempting.
[10:38] <_BS_> So ... let me ask you this ... did you expect the bind command to affect /etc/inputrc, or only the current shell?
[10:38] <[deXter]> if you edit the inputrc file it'll come into effect only after you restart the shell, so yeah
[10:40] <_BS_> Thanks. Getting confused at the moment, (which has impacted what, when), but at least now I know what I'm looking for.
[10:40] <_BS_> As for bind ... you DON'T expect it to affect /etc/inputrc, correct?
[10:43] <_BS_> New question: Have two machines, both with same result to dnsdomainname. On the first machine I can not ping the other, even though it is in the hosts file (no domain listed on that entry). If I ping <machine>.local, it resolves. Where do I put (a) assume .mydomain to anything with only a machine name; (b) search .local as well?
[10:44] <[deXter]> Yes, I don't expect it to affect /etc/inputrc
[10:47] <[deXter]> No idea about your second query.. might have to do with iptables
[10:47] <_BS_> deXter: Shouldn't. This is name resolution, not packet filtering. But thanks for letting me know.
[10:48] <[deXter]> _BS_: Most of my networking experience revolves around cisco stuff :P
[10:48] <_BS_> deXter: Yeah, well, mine too. :-)
[10:49] <_BS_> Next question: I've copied a directory from a remote system, getting an error in the process. (So, file skipped.) What's the easiest way to generate / compare two (sub-)directory trees, to find out what all it missed?
[10:50] <[deXter]> Use rsync I guess?
[10:50] <[deXter]> or you could list the directories and run a diff
[10:52] <[deXter]> diff -q <dir1> <dir2>
[10:53] <_BS_> deXter: Interesting ... 'kompare'.
[10:53] <[deXter]> use -r for recursive
[10:53] <[deXter]> Cool, didn't know about kompare
[10:54] <_BS_> Yeah, well, it's all about what one encounters along the way, right. And what one manages to actually retain.
[10:55] <[deXter]> Yep, but I'd rather come across and retain a CLI solution :)
[10:55] <_BS_> diff -qr etc sftp://root@mymachine.local:22/etc now working as you might want. "No such file or directory."
[10:55] <_BS_> deXter: Fair enough, and many times I agree. But on something like this, you can code it, and code all the exceptions, or you can get it gui and eyeball it. Especially on such one-off things.
[10:56] <_BS_> deXter: Thus my first thought was something like 'ls -1R mydir >mydir.asc' repeat, and diff. But it all gets weird fast. e.g. Inclusion of full remote path strings, etc., etc.
[10:58] <[deXter]> Not sure if you can use sftp:// ,atleast with diff..
[10:58] <_BS_> deXter ... um, yes, I had sort of picked up on that. :-)
[10:59] <_BS_> Moving to new machine, trying to capture what might be useful to refer to later. So, e.g., copied remote /etc to a squirrel hole locally. Only glitch, I think, so far, was /etc/rc5.d wouldn't open. Opens fine in local (remote) shell. Don't know what rc5.d is all about.
[11:00] <[deXter]> _BS_: you could also do a dry run with rsync
[11:00] <[deXter]> and that'd tell you what differs
[11:01] <_BS_> deXter: Good point. [Some day, when I get as far as rsync. Only so many hours in a day.]
[11:01] <[deXter]> :)
[11:01] <_BS_> rc5.d, presumably run level 5 start/stop scripts. Curious that it would be (remotely) locked.
[11:01] <[deXter]> Fair enough, but since I've discovered rsync I use it even for copying files to my local USB drive :P
[11:02] <[deXter]> Yep rc5.d has runlevel 5 scripts
[11:03] <_BS_> deXter: OH, rsync is most definitely on the list. I expect to do backups that way, etc. Was all set to use it years ago, but rsync just broken on cygwin (much like nfs) and gave up on it. It WILL be coming back soon enough.
[11:04] <[deXter]> you should try rsyncwin32
[11:05] <_BS_> deXter: I gave up on it all in windows, went to robocopy, and got on with my day. (TOSMHIAD)
[11:05] <[deXter]> heh, robocopy is awesome as well
[11:07] <_BS_> deXter: Yes, but still a PITA. (Understandably so.) All in the sense of ... for any given unix command, at least the command line / config files all share a common 'approach' / file format. In win, well ... for lack of a standard, every new utility inventor also has to invent their own ... 'command line parser.'
[11:08] <[deXter]> That is true
[11:10] <_BS_> deXter: I REFUSE to even look at PowerShell. If I'm going to relearn yet another 'shell', I'll invest the time in bash, and get that much closer to saying goodbye to Windows forever.
[11:11] <[deXter]> _BS_: I've said the same thing to everyone who would recommend me powershell at the blink of an eye
[11:12] <[deXter]> I was like, I'd rather use vbs/wsh than powershell...
[11:13] <_BS_> deXter: Mind you ... there is one other thing (and it's why I did break down and do a vbscript login script) - it's everywhere. So when you're doing a script for 1,000 users, it's nice not to have to distribute the shell itself first. So although I would have preferred scripting in cygwin bash, I didn't want to have to distribute cygwin everywhere first.
[11:15] <[deXter]> Heh, that was the most important reason for me too
[11:16] <_BS_> Now later, I think, I discovered that could be broken down to two files (cygwin1.dll, and bash.exe), but I wasn't going to win the political battle of "You want to put WHAT on every computer ..."
[11:17] <[deXter]> heh
[11:17] <comeandgo> Hi, I just deleted the partition which was created when I was installing another ubuntu derivate and now it says at start-up that the filesystem is unknown. I tried to repair it with a live usb but it didn't work. Is Grub maybe the problem? thX
[11:18] <comeandgo> I fixed it once, I will check it out
[11:18] <_BS_> comeandgo: So you see the grub menu when you first boot?
[11:19] <comeandgo> no, terminal like: Grub: filesystem unknown (if I remember correctly)
[11:19] <[deXter]> comeandgo: check which partition is marked as active
[11:19] <comeandgo> i thought because i am deleting the second partition it would not effect start up sorry i read the part with the backup
[11:20] <comeandgo> ok
[11:20] <[deXter]> comeandgo: boot up from a livecd/usb, open gparted and see which partition is marked as "boot" (on the right hand side coloumn)
[11:21] <comeandgo> copy
[11:21] <comeandgo> ^^
[11:21] <[deXter]> ?
[11:21] <comeandgo> sda1, the kubuntu i am here with
[11:23] <comeandgo> dexter, I am not a soldier or so and hear the "copy", "roger" stuff just in tv and like to use it for fun
[11:23] <[deXter]> Ah
[11:23] <[deXter]> Well don't just say copy, say "copy that"
[11:23] <comeandgo> oh sorry haha
[11:23] <comeandgo> copy that
[11:24] <[deXter]> comeandgo: exactly how did you try the repair earlier?
[11:24] <comeandgo> sda2 was the part which got split for the second
[11:24] <comeandgo> OS
[11:25] <comeandgo> deX, automatig. first with ..i don't remember i googled it, and then with gpartet
[11:25] <comeandgo> its not so important
[11:25] <comeandgo> i did it so I don't have ..oh i am using not kubuntu sda1 now, i am on live usb
[11:26] <[deXter]> comeandgo: Paste the output of this command:   sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[11:26] <comeandgo> I just didn't know how to get an installation off the disk
[11:26] <[deXter]> not here, but on paste.kde.org or similar
[11:30] <_BS_> grub in mba merely points to active partition?
[11:30] <comeandgo> [deXter]: http://paste.kde.org/114847/
[11:32] <_BS_> comeandgo: There is only 1 disk in your system?
[11:32] <[deXter]> well the active partition contains all the config files and grldr of course..
[11:32] <comeandgo> _BS_: Yes
[11:33] <_BS_> deXter: Right, but with new install resetting grub to point mba to 2nd (active) partition, then that partition being wiped, my question to you was really more, just making sda1 active would 'make it all better'?
[11:34] <[deXter]> Well that's the first step
[11:34] <_BS_> deXter: Not that you got that lucky, with sda1 already being active.
[11:34] <comeandgo> _BS_: the usb stick and the usb modem too
[11:34] <[deXter]> comeandgo: did you try grub-install already?
[11:35] <comeandgo> deX: just type in console? ok
[11:35] <[deXter]> grub-install /dev/sda
[11:35] <comeandgo> thank you
[11:35] <[deXter]> sudo that
[11:36] <comeandgo> [deXter]: live@live:~$ sudo grub-install /dev/sda /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot stat `aufs'.
[11:37] <comeandgo> oh maybe i first have to sudo me
[11:38] <comeandgo> i mean, create a sudo account for the live usb
[11:38] <[deXter]> eh, you don't have to
[11:38] <comeandgo> ah good
[11:38] <[deXter]> just type 'su'
[11:39] <[deXter]> comeandgo: also, make sure that the drive is unmounted first
[11:40] <comeandgo> [deXter]: Sorry I didn't mention I am using another distro, Zorin OS. Output: su grub-install /dev/sda Unknown id: grub-install
[11:40] <comeandgo> You guide me very well thank you in advance
[11:41] <[deXter]> comeandgo: 1) type 'su' and then press enter, then type w/e commands you want in a new line.. 2) I'm not sure what version of grub zorin OS uses so I'm not sure if it'd work or not
[11:42] <_BS_> comeandgo: Do you have sda mounted? (as deXter asked about)
[11:43] <_BS_> comeandgo: Make sure we understand correctly. You had (have) linux (Kubuntu) installed on sda1. And were trying to install a newer version of Kubuntu into a different partition?
[11:43] <_BS_> comeandgo: And were trying the install from a cd source?
[11:44] <[deXter]> No, he installed a second distro on a different partition, but he deleted it and now his system won't boot
[11:44] <[deXter]> (I think)
[11:45] <_BS_> deXter: Right (particular distro, as long as sda1 is ubuntu) isn't so much germane, yet.
[11:45] <[deXter]> yep
[11:46] <comeandgo> _BS_: I installed Kubuntu on the whole disk and the Zoris OS with the "side-by-side" function, Then I deleted the content of the partition sda2 with gparted and then the partition I think. Because I wasn't sure about the swap things I just let them there. I don't have important stuff on kubuntu.
[11:46] <_BS_> comeandgo: OK, do you have the cd you used to install kubuntu with, handy?
[11:46] <comeandgo> _BS_ and [deXter]: no cd anymore
[11:47] <comeandgo> _BS_ and [deXter]: only costy mobile internet
[11:47] <_BS_> comeandgo: Do you happen to know the version or name of the version of kubuntu you have installed?
[11:48] <comeandgo> _BS_ and [deXter]: I have most stuff in the cloud and didn't backup. 11.04?
[11:48] <comeandgo> _BS_ and [deXter]: The newest version which isn't beta or alpha
[11:50] <_BS_> comeandgo: The Zorin OS you have (which you are running right now off a live usb, right?) you acquired / downloaded relatively recently, right?
[11:51] <comeandgo> _BS_ and [deXter]: Maybe it's because the sda5 and sda6 are both in the sda2 partition
[11:51] <_BS_> comeandgo: That's not it. That's no biggie, and easily dealt with later.
[11:53] <comeandgo> _BS_: Just tell me when it get's too much for you. When I do it without you I get frustrated to quickly and just wanted to give it a try here
[11:54] <_BS_> comeandgo: I'm not running the support show here with you, deXter is. And don't worry about it being too much. The wonderful people here in irc / this channel have way more knowledge and patience than I will ever have.
[11:54] <[deXter]> comeandgo: first of all unmount your sda if it's mounted, then try update-grub.. all as root user of course
[11:54] <comeandgo> ok
[11:54] <comeandgo> not mounted, will do update-grub
[11:55] <comeandgo> error: cannot stat "aufs"
[11:57] <comeandgo> I also deleted the encryption keys for the home partition of sda1 I feel so noobish
[11:57] <_BS_> comeandgo: /sda1 is encrypted?
[11:57] <comeandgo> _BS_: home partition yes
[11:57] <[deXter]> comeandgo: grub-install /dev/sda
[11:57] <comeandgo> otherwise I would have just copied the files
[11:59] <comeandgo> deX, I still get the"error, cannot stat "aufs" message
[11:59] <_BS_> deXter: Ah! Got some coffee then?
[11:59] <comeandgo> maybe I should try grub-install /dev/sda1? happy coffee time at kubuntu
[12:00] <_BS_> comeandgo: You do NOT want grub-install /dev/sda1 unless deXter specifically tells you so, and I very much doubt he will.
[12:00] <comeandgo> [deXter]: I tried it :x, same result
[12:00] <comeandgo> _BS_ I mean
[12:01] <_BS_> comeandgo: Let's get a little reality check here. You are still 'su' I assume. "mkdir /sda1; mount /dev/sda1 /sda1; ls /ada1" Do you see a /boot directory?
[12:02] <_BS_> that should be ls /sda1, not ls /ada1.
[12:02] <comeandgo> _BS_:copy that
[12:03] <[deXter]> ah, just looked up the aufs error; he has to chroot first
[12:03] <[deXter]> now that I think about it, it should have been obvious :P
[12:03] <_BS_> deXter ... so ... understanding the coffee reference about now?
[12:03] <[deXter]> ;)
[12:04] <_BS_> deXter: Hey, I missed it too! update-grub instead of install-grub, etc., etc.
[12:05] <comeandgo> _BS_ and [deXter]: http://paste.kde.org/114865/
[12:05] <[deXter]> _BS_: obviously I need some coffee :P
[12:06] <[deXter]> comeandgo: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt && sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev && sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc && sudo chroot /mnt
[12:06] <comeandgo> _BS_ and [deXter]: But I could promise that the sda1 was not mounted in Gparted
[12:06] <[deXter]> comeandgo: try that set first and see if there are any errors
[12:07] <_BS_> deXter - does he need 'umount /sda1' first?
[12:07] <[deXter]> yep
[12:07] <comeandgo> deX, I did and it maybe worked because "nothing"happened it just came a new terminal line without anything
[12:07] <[deXter]> I thought he already umounted it..
[12:07] <[deXter]> comeandgo: cool, then that means it worked
[12:07] <comeandgo> ok
[12:07] <ionite> Is KDE 4.7 lighter?
[12:07] <[deXter]> comeandgo: next step:  sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[12:07] <comeandgo> wait
[12:08] <comeandgo> should I still make umount /sda1?
[12:09] <[deXter]> no dont do it now
[12:09] <_BS_> comeandgo: if you 'ls /' now, do you still see a sda1?
[12:10] <comeandgo> [deXter]: message: unable to resolve host live Installation finished. No error reported
[12:10] <[deXter]> comeandgo: sweet, now finally run this:  sudo update-grub
[12:10] <comeandgo> [deXter] and _BS_: Sorry I forgot to tell you that I had a problem with the installation
[12:11] <comeandgo> woooo
[12:11] <[deXter]> you mean installation with the second OS? If so, it doesn't matter..
[12:11] <comeandgo> [deXter] and _BS_: it's busy
[12:11] <comeandgo> [deXter] and _BS_: thank you so much
[12:11] <[deXter]> yep it'll take a bit to scan for your installed OSes and add it to the boot menu
[12:12] <[deXter]> actually the last command shouldn't be necessary
[12:13] <comeandgo> [deXter] and _BS_: Could you please have a hoepfully last look? :)
[12:13] <_BS_> deXter: Which last command?
[12:13] <comeandgo> [deXter] and _BS_: http://paste.kde.org/114883/
[12:13] <[deXter]> _BS_: update-grub.. it basically updates the grub menu
[12:13] <_BS_> deXter: Gotcha.
[12:15] <ionite> Is KDE 4.7 lighter?
[12:15] <[deXter]> comeandgo: paste the output of:  cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[12:15] <_BS_> ionite: Probably not. Define 'lighter'.
[12:15] <[deXter]> ionite: If you were using KDE4.x earlier you won't notice a difference..
[12:16] <[deXter]> But if you came from KDE3, you'd be like ... *woah*.
[12:17] <ionite> _BS_: i feel 4.5 is buggy. or maybe because i'm a noob? sometimes it get freezed @ the splash screen some programs are also not very stable
[12:17] <_BS_> dexter: 8-)
[12:18] <comeandgo> [deXter]: http://paste.kde.org/114889/ merci
[12:18] <_BS_> ionite: What / how fast CPU?
[12:18] <ionite> _BS_: 1.6gz atom, 2gb CPU
[12:19] <_BS_> ionite: What kind video? (What is the machine, too?)
[12:19] <ionite> _BS_: integrated 256MB
[12:19] <_BS_> ionite: Not what I meant. Intel, nvidia, ati?
[12:20] <ionite> _BS_: intel
[12:20] <_BS_> ionite: What kind of computer? e.g. My 1.6GHz Atom is within an Asus eee 1201n.
[12:21] <[deXter]> comeandgo: Sweet, it looks good. Final paste:    blkid
[12:21] <_BS_> ionite: Can you give me an example of a program that is 'not very stable'?
[12:22] <ionite> _BS_: audio cannot use the scroll bar of amarok. splash screen freezes on some occasions or some time only log into the desktop when i click (meaning it doesnt log into the desktop after it is done loading at splash screen)
[12:22] <_BS_> ionite: What are you currently running? Kubuntu 10.04 LTS? (For example.)
[12:22] <ionite> _BS_: 11.04
[12:23] <ionite> _BS_: my net book http://www.nexxon.com.sg/projects1.html
[12:23] <[deXter]> ionite: For an Atom netbook, I would recommend using a lighter environment, like XFCE or LXDE.. lower CPU usage, better battery life
[12:23] <_BS_> ionite: Changing kde version isn't going to assist with what you are experiencing. Any such problems as you describe are likely not kde issues, but issues beneath it.
[12:24] <comeandgo> [deXter]: Output of blkid: http://paste.kde.org/114895/
[12:24] <ionite> [deXter]: LXDE what's it? i've set up everything now.. it's quite a chore to set it up again? but what's LXDE? so it wont be as pretty as XDE now right?
[12:25] <[deXter]> ionite: Of course, anything that uses lower CPU/resources will not look "pretty".. but I think with a netbook you'd be more concerned about having a longer battery life...  LXDE is a desktop environment, similar to KDE or GNOME (but lesser functionality as well, like, no widgets and stuff)
[12:26] <_BS_> ionite: Looks like a nice little machine. It says it comes with ubuntu netbook remix. You installed kde after receiving it?
[12:26] <ionite> _BS_: i formatted it and installed XDE
[12:26] <ionite> *KDE
[12:27] <_BS_> ionite: But not a remix version. You can install lxde as well as kde, if you want to play with it. At login, you'd just hit the drop down and choose lxde for that session.
[12:28] <[deXter]> ionite: you could do an 'apt-get install lxde'
[12:28] <[deXter]> and then you'd get the option for LXDE at the login screen as _BS_ mentioned
[12:28] <_BS_> ionite: deXter just said how to try lxde. i.e. how to effect what I said you could try.
[12:29] <ionite> [deXter]: honestly my current KDE is fine just that i feel if there would be any notable differences to bugs or stability if i were to change to 4.7
[12:29] <_BS_> ionite: Right, but what you describe are underlying X / driver / hardware issues. Changing the window manager won't change that.
[12:30] <[deXter]> ionite: Well 4.7 definitely has a lot of bugfixes; if you're not running anything mission-critical, no reason to upgrade to the new version anyways (not that I'm saying it'll fix anything..)
[12:30] <_BS_> ionite: And if all that is true, you're well beyond anything I can help you with, and you should listen to deXter instead.
[12:31] <ionite> [deXter]: would it affect any of my current settings and default programs?
[12:31] <_BS_> ionite: Loading lxde won't hurt you at all, give you an alternative even. And you may even be able to rule kde in/out as a source of your problems.
[12:31] <_BS_> ionite: So, for example, you could go into an lxde session, and play with only amarok, and see if anything changes / got better.
[12:32] <_BS_> ionite: Running kde the rest of the time as you desire.
[12:34] <ionite> _BS_: i have a black berry 9300. but there's not linux compatible software. should i use wine?
[12:34] <_BS_> ionite: Not sure what you're looking for. There is 'barry' for sync'ing.
[12:36] <ionite> _BS_: what's barry? for blackberry phones?
[12:37] <comeandgo> [deXter]: Maybe I should just restart and try it out for the fun I am sure it works, cu soon and thanks to _BS_ too
[12:37] <_BS_> ionite: If I remember correctly, it's used to sync your blackberry to your linux box.
[12:38] <_BS_> ionite: What are you looking to do with your blackberry on your kubuntu machine?
[12:38] <ionite> _BS_: lovely :) tethered modem?
[12:39] <ionite> _BS_: manage contacts, sync gmail?
[12:39] <bazhang> !info barry-util | ionite
[12:40] <_BS_> http://www.netdirect.ca/software/packages/barry
[12:43] <ionite> _BS_: thanks so much! :)
[12:43] <_BS_> ionite: No prob. Only reason I knew (I'm not a bb user), is I know the developers.
[12:44] <ionite> _BS_: haha. i hope that will help me sync well with my KDE
[12:45] <_BS_> ionite: That depends. You don't sync with kde. What do you want to sync to? kontact, evolution, google?
[12:45] <ionite> _BS_: most likely google
[12:46] <comeandgo> [deXter]: Kubuntu on sda1 works but I didn't see the Grub menu
[12:46] <comeandgo> [deXter]: (very sweet;)
[12:46] <[deXter]> comeandgo: you won't see the menu :)
[12:47] <comeandgo> [deXter]: but I have Zolin OS or how it's called already installed
[12:47] <[deXter]> comeandgo: Unless you have two or more OSes or kernels installed, or you press and hold the Shift key while booting
[12:47] <comeandgo> awesome
[12:47] <[deXter]> comeandgo: not any more you don't
[12:48] <comeandgo> [deXter]: Shift is king, sorry for spam :) you are heroes
[12:48] <[deXter]> comeandgo: Glad I could help :)
[12:49] <comeandgo> [deXter]: :)
[12:50] <comeandgo> [deXter]: is the "no more need the grub screen" a little hack by you?
[12:50] <[deXter]> comeandgo: Nah, that's the default behavior
[12:50] <comeandgo> [deXter]:  or did grub change, I mean nice commands
[12:50] <comeandgo> ok cool
[12:50] <[deXter]> Well, it's gotten a bit better and a bit worse
[12:51] <[deXter]> I for one hate grub2 ;)
[12:51] <_BS_> comeandgo: That may make sense. Check out /etc/default/grub. And the hidden / timeout options. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 really good reference.
[12:51] <_BS_> deXter: That's cause you're an old hack. And I don't even know you. grub2 is ok. You get used to it.
[12:52] <[deXter]> _BS_: :) I know.. I almost got used to it last year when I started dealing with Fedora systems this year (which use the old grub btw) and I fell in love again
[12:53] <[deXter]> I just thought it was so awesome to be able to edit my menu.lst without any hassle
[12:53] <_BS_> Set my grub splash screen to the jet coming off the carrier. Still laugh when I see it - you don't know if the jet is going to drop straight into the water, or soar like an eagle. Sort of like my Linux experience to date.
[12:53] <_BS_> deXter: Well ... you still can. Just don't run update-grub any more. :0)
[12:54] <[deXter]> lol
[12:54] <comeandgo> _BS_: sudo: /etc/default/grub: command not found
[12:54] <_BS_> The background for the grub menu is the B52 bomber in mid-air. If it got that far ... it's soaring like an eagle. (About to drop a load, but that's another story.)
[12:54] <_BS_> comeandgo: it's not a command, it's the grub2 configuration file.
[12:55] <comeandgo> oh
[12:55] <comeandgo> ok
[12:55] <_BS_> comeandgo: See the link. Good read. You can scan the top part, then pay more attention to each individual configuration command as you feel appropriate.
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:59] <comeandgo> _BS_: affirmative ;)
[12:59] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Greetings.
[13:00] <_BS_> Question: Application menu settings. Set to name / description. How come don't see name on menus, only descriptions. (Hovering shows names, though.)
[13:01] <_BS_> Oh for Pete's sake. Never mind!
[13:03] <_BS_> dpkg-reconfigure -a keeps popping me into an adduser dialog. 'By default, users' home directories are readable...'. I've been through this dialogue a dozen times. How do I get it to complete successfully, and thus go away.
[13:03] <_BS_> Next dialogu is for 'configuring apparmor'. Tired of this. Help!
[13:03] <avihay> [deXter]: there is a reason to upgrade to 4.7, beside the bugfixes, and that's major improvements in plasma and compositing
[13:04] <BluesKaj> dkpg --configure -a ?
[13:04] <_BS_> First - is there a way to list what packages 'dpkg-reconfigure -a' wants to look at?
[13:04] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Typo, see last.
[13:05] <avihay> before I couldn't use compositing on my 2GHZ core 2 duo because I have an intel GFX card, and it was unreasonably slow (compiz was ok-ish)
[13:05] <BluesKaj> _BS_, typo ?
[13:06] <_BS_> BluesKaj: 'dpkg-reconfigure -a' not 'dpkg --configure -a'.
[13:06] <avihay> now I find myself forgetting to turn off composting because it doesn't interrupt my workflow anymore
[13:06] <BluesKaj> try  dkpg --configure -a \
[13:06] <BluesKaj> without the \
[13:09] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Nice try, but no joy. Nice try in that the first time it spit out one line (dealt with one package) [since scrolled off screen - have to fix that], and 2nd time (dpkg --configure -a) it didn't (i.e. dealt with whatever issue that package had), but 'dpkg-reconfigure -a' still behaves same as before. Assumption: dpkg-reconfigure -a, normally, should do nothing. That it does something...
[13:09] <_BS_> ...is an indication of a half-installed something. (So something remains to be 'done.')
[13:12] <BluesKaj> _BS_, yeah, sounds like the problem , altho the usual broken dependencies error should show
[13:13] <BluesKaj> _BS_, what's your intention, try to finish the install or clear the brokenapp?
[13:14] <dthacker> Good Morning.  I'm going to take a second pass a this.
[13:15] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Not sure - mostly I'd just like to know what's broken, and knock them off one by one as appropriate. Then come back to 'dpkg-reconfigure -a' and see a clean run. I'm thinking 'dpkg-reconfigure -a | tee >savetheoutput' sort of thing to capture for pastebin. Am I headed in right direction?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> _BS_, what about an update ?
[13:16] <dthacker> I'm trying to add a new email account to kmail.   I am able to login to the pop3 server and retrieve email for this user, but when I reply, I get a message saying "Transport 'Bluestrain.net #1 is invalid"  I've deleted and created the user, but this message will not go away
[13:16] <dthacker> How do I find it this smtp transport and remove it?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> that might show what's causing it
[13:16] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Good point. Maybe an install script is broken / will get updated.
[13:17] <_BS_> BluesKaj: xwerver-common xserver-xorg-core coming down. Oh joy.
[13:21] <_BS_> Anyone recognize the install dialogue box titled 'adduser', ending with 'Do you want system-wide readable home directories?' Yes / No. Which package is this?
[13:22] <dthacker> Deleted stuck mail in outbox.  Fixed the problem.  Going for coffee.
[13:25] <BluesKaj> _BS_, I hate to promote another chat , but there's probly more help in this regard in #ubuntu than here due to the population:)
[13:25] <_BS_> BluesKaj: No worries. Give me a sec. Pastebin coming. Perhaps you / someone will spot something obvious.
[13:27] <_BS_> Anyone got any thoughts on problems in http://paste.kde.org/114907/?
[13:27] <_BS_> This is 'dpkg-reconfigure -a' output, such as it is.
[13:33] <BluesKaj> _BS_,
[13:34] <BluesKaj> here's a really old post , but it may be applicable http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1454106
[13:34] <Torch> _BS_: what are you trying to achieve? afaik dpkg-reconfigure -a recondigures all packages... is that really what you want?
[13:37] <_BS_> Torch: No, 'dpkg-reconfigure -a' takes another attempt at configuring all unsuccessfully configured packages. It touches nothing already ok.
[13:38] <Torch> _BS_: you sure? because that's not what the man page says...
[13:39] <_BS_> Torch: I'm sure. (He said, feeling certain, despite lingering doubts...) Try it on yours, it should do nothing. Otherwise, all several thousand packages would be re-run every time, and more than the ones I'm experiencing would come up with questions.
[13:40] <helene> salut
[13:40] <Torch> _BS_: well, on this system, it does indeed begin to reconfigure all packages ;-)
[13:40] <Torch> _BS_: starting with adduser... which is what seems to confuse you.
[13:41]  * James147 remembers --pending option in dpkg -configure or dpkg-reconfigure
[13:42] <_BS_> Torch: I see what you mean by the man page. BUT, '-a' says only do outstanding packages. I know this from experience, although I agree the man page doesn't read that way. As you say though, if I 'dpkg-reconfigure <this package>' it definitely does as you say.
[13:42] <_BS_> Torch: Thanks, you've given me an idea.
[13:45] <_BS_> Drats. dpkg-reconfigure adduser did as before, and completion did not make it happy. (Come up still with 'dpkg-reconfigure -a'.) 'aptitude remove adduser' would result in a lot of nastiness.
[13:47] <BluesKaj> _BS_, you could do , sudo dpkg --clear-avail ,  clear it out the existing file and generate a new one...then update again
[13:48] <_BS_> BluesKaj: That's sort of where I was heading. 'apt-get remove adduser' reveals some useful stuff though. emacs23* has unmet dependencies. This could be the cause. Removing emacs23 now ...
[13:49]  * BluesKaj stays away from emacs ...never really understood the concept
[13:49] <BluesKaj> !emacs
[13:50] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Agreed, hate emacs, have vowed to have zero to do with it for decades now, however, dependencies mean the darned thing keeps getting its fingers in there somehow. Sort of like the world falls apart if you don't install bluetooth.
[13:51] <_BS_> apt-get remove emacs32 successful. 'apt-get -s remove adduser' NOT GOOD. (-s = simulate)
[13:51] <BluesKaj> emacs isn't just a text editor as the factoid would lead you to believe
[13:52] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Yeah, I know. It being the 'most powerful beast' at the time (e.g. macro language) a lot of stuff built up around it, even if one was never going to use it as an editor.
[13:52] <comeandgo> _BS_ or [deXter]: I cannot see the Zoris OS in grub and want to delete it and install it again.  I have 2 swap partitions sda5 and sda6. IF Kubuntu is on sda1, which is most likely it's swap file?
[13:54] <_BS_> comeandgo: Zoris OS is not in grub. You had failed install. It's partition does not exist. Zoris does not exist on your system. Try swapoff, then delete both swap partitions. Then create new one. swapon. May need to adjust /etc/fstab appropriately. No worries of any such fstab errors in mean time.
[13:55] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Silliest thing is ... I've been nowhere near adduser or apparmor. If it wants to update / be configured, it's because of some other dependency, not anything I did. Irritating.
[13:56] <Torch> _BS_: you did understand that what you do reconfigures all packages, didn't you?
[13:56] <BluesKaj> comeandgo, df -h look for the swap file , it may not nbe named , but if you can remember the size.
[13:56] <comeandgo> _BS_: I will not disapoint you *helmet*
[13:57] <_BS_> Torch: You do understand that it does not. See earlier comment James147: remembers --pending option in dpkg -configure or dpkg-reconfigure. I KNOW it to not reconfigure everything. Run it TOO many times over the years. It's a standard command line when one has half-installed packages (for whatever reason). It only deals with the packages in a broken state.
[13:59] <Torch> _BS_: the manpage says the opposite. trying to proves it... it don't see why you maintain this position and block your own path forward.
[13:59] <_BS_> Torch: I agree the man page says differently. I speak from experience.
[13:59] <_BS_> Torch: (With dpkg-reconfigure -a, that is.)
[14:00] <Torch> _BS_: what's the problem you're trying to fix?
[14:02] <_BS_> dpkg-configure -a should run clean. That it doesn't means packages half installed. (I forget what made me think to run it / what told me to - this time.) What I'd like, at the moment, is the list of broken packages, so I can dpkg-reconfigure them (successfully) individually, winnowing the set that 'dpkg-reconfigure -a' is trying to deal with. [Cut down the noise to figure out what the real /...
[14:02] <_BS_> ...core problem is.]
[14:02] <BluesKaj> dpkg-reconfigure -a, seems to get a standard response _BS_ , I just tried it and I got the same dialog box
[14:02] <Torch> _BS_: in other words, you have no problem...
[14:03] <Torch> _BS_: your system does what you tell it to and you don't understand why ;-)
[14:04] <BluesKaj> Torch, enuff..just let him try to fix it ...being critical without offering a solution isn't helpful
[14:04] <Torch> _BS_: what you're remembering is probably dpkg --configure -a
[14:04] <_BS_> BluesKaj - define 'standard response' please. i.e. You believe you have a correctly and completely configured system, yet see the same dialogue box I do?
[14:05] <_BS_> Torch: I don't understand what you just said, and  I REALLY don't appreciate the attitude.
[14:05] <Torch> _BS_: like i said before, i do get this as well on my system
[14:05] <Torch> _BS_: chill, dude, i'm just trying to help you ;-)
[14:05] <_BS_> Torch: The attitude is not helpful.
[14:06] <BluesKaj> _BS_, ok , I see your point ..my system isn't configured properly due to a dependency problem with 1a32-libs .:)
[14:07] <BluesKaj> _BS_, blame 32 bit google earth disguised in 64 bit sheeps clothing
[14:07] <comeandgo> BluesKaj: both the same size but thanks. _BS_: should I delete sda2 as well?
[14:09] <comeandgo> _BS_: Not that I make the same mistake again
[14:09] <_BS_> dpkg --configure -a  results in processing triggers for 'python-central'. Running again, clean. This has come back, since, dpkg-reconfigure -a. i.e. I saw this (python-central) reference before and it got clean. More to come, too many lines of talk here at the moment.
[14:09] <_BS_> comeandgo: DO NOT DELETE SDA2, it is your extended partition. (How you got there I don't know, but you are there.)
[14:10] <_BS_> comeandgo: I am not completely sure where you're at at the moment. Are both swap partitions gone?
[14:11] <_BS_> Everyone: Linux does not have to be pointed (e.g. have root) at a primary partition, does it?
[14:12] <helene> bonjour
[14:13] <helene> besoin d'un service merci
[14:13] <BluesKaj> !fr | helene
[14:13] <_BS_> comeandgo: There is no harm to deleting your sda2. However, your partitioning is strange to me, and got there somehow for some reason. You may want to do fdisk -l again, pastebin it, and we'll call for someone here (greater expert than I) to comment.
[14:14] <helene> #ubuntu-fr
[14:16] <_BS_> Re:dpkg-reconfigure - I have never seen the add user dialogue box before. This is not the first time I've ever run dpkg-reconfigure -a. Given that both BluesKaj and Torch see it ... I'm wondering if bug in dependency / packages setup such that if any package remains unconfigured, it's trigger an adduser reconfiguration as well. i.e. adduser reconfiguration is a red herring, here.
[14:17] <BluesKaj> helene, /join #ubuntu-fr
[14:19] <BluesKaj> _BS_, yeah the adduser seems almost irrelavent to what the underlying problem is
[14:20] <_BS_> dpkg --triggers-only -a, does nothing. dpkg --configure -a, does nothing.
[14:20] <_BS_> i.e. Nothing they deal with broken / nothing to do.
[14:23] <_BS_> Just like the LSB issue is likely a non-issue. It's not like I played at all in that area. Much like so many boot messages (stop using such and so, will be deprecated in a future version, yada, yada.) Like I can do anything about those low level kernel packages - touching them would only make it worse, etc., etc. [Standard fix, wait 'til they go away on their own.]
[14:26] <_BS_> Anyone know how to get a list of packages the system thinks needs configuring? (Configuration is outstanding.)
[14:29] <Torch> _BS_: try dpkg -L | grep -v ^ii
[14:29] <Torch> _BS_: make that a small letter L though
[14:30] <Torch> _BS_: that will give you a list of all packages dpkg has seen that are not installed... this is not exactly what you asked for, but it gets close
[14:30] <_BS_> Torch: Interesting. Cool. Thank you. from 'man dpkg' though, I would have thought it would complain. No 'action'.
[14:30] <Torch> _BS_: to really get the unconfigured packes, find out what the status/error code in the first column for those would be... i don't rememver off the top of my head.
[14:33] <_BS_> Torch: error codes in first column would be? Isn't the first column package status? e.g. Removing the ii lines as you say, quite a few with 'rc'. Don't know what that means off the top of my head.
[14:33] <_BS_> Torch: Ah, I'll bet rc is recommended.
[14:34] <Torch> _BS_: first char is status, second is error.
[14:34] <Torch> _BS_: no
[14:35] <Torch> _BS_: rc usually are packes you have had installed in the past and whose configuration files are still there
[14:35] <Torch> _BS_: i have those for kde packaes from 4.6 for example
[14:35] <Torch> _BS_: or pulseaudio (which is the first thing i uninstall on any new system i set up)
[14:35] <_BS_> Torch: :-)
[14:37] <_BS_> Torch: Well, OK, on that thought ... is there not a purge for such? [Presumably they're kept around in case such a package is reinstalled. And in my case, I've touched nothing and would want the new / default configuration anyways.]
[14:42] <BluesKaj> _BS_, try apt-get -f install m, it will probly gibe you option of removing the problematic packages
[14:42] <BluesKaj> no m
[14:42] <san> hello, I installed kubuntu to my friend's notebook (she is on the phone, i.e. not with me), and I need to explain how to connect to wireless. She seems her SSID listed in network manager, but I cannot help her further (i.e. say what to press, where to enter password) because I am not user of KDE (I use GNOME), and cannot launch kde network manager connection locally on my computer. Could anyone point me to the screenshots guide or tell me the sequence of actio
[14:42] <san> ns in terms of "click this button", "enter text here" please?
[14:43] <_BS_> BluesKaj: good thought, thanks. You'll like the response: 'The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: emacs23-bin-common emacs23-common. :-)
[14:44] <_BS_> BluesKaj: apt-get autoremove took care of that. Unfortunately, the original problem still remains. <sigh>
[14:44] <BluesKaj> hmm, dunno , thought you might have an xserver prob
[14:45] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Nah, none that I know of. Screen is and has been fine.
[14:45] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:46] <BluesKaj> then regenerate xorg.conf, if there was graphics dependency missing
[14:47] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Fair thought, but there is no xorg.conf. Nothing to regenerate.
[14:50] <BluesKaj> ok...wish there was a way to ID the culprit
[14:51] <BluesKaj> I know why i got the dialog ..it happened yesterday on oneiric update , i lost google earth due to unupdated dependencies in ia32-libs
[14:51] <BluesKaj> so i just have to wait
[14:52] <_BS_> BluesKaj: I hear you (on you), but it's still ... strange ... that you get an adduser issue.
[14:53] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Was about to write, like you, that I probably just have to wait until whatever package gets updated, probably with a fixed install script, at which point it will all just go away by itself.
[14:53] <BluesKaj> _BS_, I just chalk that up the realm of my ununderstood linux mechanisms
[14:55] <BluesKaj> _BS_, not being a programmer or coder , just plain user ..there's lots of arcane stuff going on that i don't give a second thought
[14:56] <_BS_> BluesKaj: You do not give yourself enough credit. It took me a long time to realize: (a) I don't have to care about everything / every error / I cannot be an expert in everything [witness kpackagekit, aptitude, apt-get, dpkg, dselect, and on down]; (b) even the linux world ain't perfect - mistakes in install scripts exist. [If you've ever tried to auto-install all recommended packages, and...
[14:56] <_BS_> ...make all of that stuff clean - you get into the Linux equivalent of dll hell. It AIN'T fun.]
[14:56] <_BS_> BluesKaj: If you can read a config file, you are a programmer / coder. Just as much as anyone else. Don't let anyone kid you.
[14:57] <OerHeks> BluesKaj +1
[14:57] <BluesKaj> hi OerHeks
[14:58] <BluesKaj> I looked at auto-apt , but never used it
[14:59] <_BS_> Torch, BluesKaj: The sad part is I'm starting to suspect Torch was right - that I'm confusing 'dpkg-reconfigure -a' with 'dpkg -configure -a'. Which just increases my own irritation. (With myself, however. Can't blame Linux on it. Well I can, it just won't get me anywhere useful.)
[15:00] <_BS_> Anywho, I'm clearly too irritated to deal with it all, so I'm just going to walk away from it for a while. Thanks all for the input and discussion. Even being (potentially?) wrong, is still learning. [If one is not learning, one is dead, and it don't matter, then.]
[15:01] <_BS_> :-)
[15:01] <BluesKaj> I thought it just reconfigured halfbaked packages/dependencies
[15:01] <OerHeks> i ḿ reading back your issue, _BS_ , i never had a dialog add user, and can't find any reason for that.
[15:01] <BluesKaj> _BS_, agreed on that last statement
[15:02] <_BS_> OerHeks: So if you 'dpkg-reconfigure -a', what happens? Straight back to prompt?
[15:02] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, we're thinking the dialof appears only if you have broken packages somewhere or half installed
[15:02] <BluesKaj> gialog
[15:03]  * BluesKaj curses the fat fingers
[15:03] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Suggestion - you need more coffee.
[15:03] <BluesKaj> hehe. right on
[15:03] <_BS_> BluesKaj - or less, can't be sure yet.
[15:03] <OerHeks> when i perform dpkg-reconfigure -a, i get a simular screen, only dutch ...
[15:04] <_BS_> OerHeks - smartass.
[15:04] <BluesKaj> more coffee is better
[15:04] <OerHeks> still never had this Question before, BluesKaj
[15:05] <_BS_> See ... the real kicker is ... there's lots of stuff that follows ... and none of it related to adduser. 'dpkg-reconfigure adduser' should either resolve, or scream, the issue. And once resolved, should not then reappear upon 'dpkg-reconfigure -a'.
[15:06] <_BS_> Moreover ... per Torch's thought ... I cannot believe that adduser is the alphabetically first package in the entire system.
[15:07] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, I must admit , that's the first time I had it as well. Could it be something new in dpkg build
[15:08] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:08] <Torch> _BS_: it's the first to ask any questions ;-)
[15:09] <Torch> _BS_: acpi-support and acpid (which come before it on my system) apparently don't need any input.
[15:09] <_BS_> Torch: Yeah, I take your point, but it still seems ... what are the odds.
[15:18] <_BS_> Have two machines, both with same result to dnsdomainname. On the first machine I can not ping the other, even though it is in the hosts file (no domain listed on that entry). If I ping <machine>.local, it resolves. Where do I put (a) assume .mydomain to anything with only a machine name; (b) search .local as well?
[15:19] <Torch> _BS_: in /etc/resolv.conf
[15:19] <Torch> _BS_: which is probably managed by networkmanager for you on those machines
[15:19] <Torch> (if you're using that)
[15:20] <_BS_> both have domain mydomain in resolv.conf.
[15:20] <BluesKaj> _BS_, some dispute the effecacy of the the hosst.allow file , but i list all networked LAN pc IPs there
[15:20] <BluesKaj> err hosts.allow
[15:20] <_BS_> 'search mydomain .local' in resolv.conf didn't help.
[15:20] <Torch> (note that hosts.allow is not the same as hosts though)
[15:20] <_BS_> no hosts.allow file in use. (Had better not be, at least.)
[15:20] <BluesKaj> nto , i didn't say it was
[15:21] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Didn't mean to imply that you did.
[15:21] <Torch> _BS_: also, there's both "search" and "domain" for /etc/resolv.conf.
[15:21] <BluesKaj> _BS_, not you , Torch did
[15:21] <Torch> _BS_: the former seats what is being searched,
[15:21] <_BS_> Torch: man says domain and search mutually exclusive.
[15:22] <Torch> s,seats,sets,
[15:22] <Torch> _BS_: uhmm, hmm. wasn't aware of that
[15:22] <Torch> _BS_: networkmanager sets both
[15:22] <_BS_> Torch: surprised me too. Really? Hmmm.
[15:23] <BluesKaj> networkmanager is a pita if you want to save your settings in resolv.conf ..it overwrites after a session
[15:23] <Torch> _BS_: i can't find where it says those can't go together... also, they should. one sets the domain for the machine, the other configures the domains to search in case of unqualified names
[15:23] <Torch> BluesKaj: ack
[15:23] <_BS_> Torch: man resolv.conf, skip to end. 4th last paragraph above Files. Says last keyword wins.
[15:24] <_BS_> BluesKaj: networkmanager is just a PITA period.
[15:24] <BluesKaj> yup, no argument there, _BS_
[15:24] <Torch> _BS_: i see.
[15:26] <_BS_> Torch: Following man in that area, one would think set LOCALDOMAIN="mydomain .local" would make all happy, but no joy here.
[15:26] <Torch> _BS_: i suggest adding "search mydomain" to /etc/resolv.conf
[15:26] <Torch> _BS_: but the whole thing seems a bit moot without a nameserver...
[15:27] <BluesKaj> _BS_, , Torch I just discovered whiptail in system monitor is taking up 100% on one of my dual cores , Checkout what it's decription box tells what is going on ..the adduser thing is still running/waiting in the background
[15:27] <Torch> BluesKaj: my guess is you just killed dpkg-reconfigure (like i did when i tried it)
[15:28] <Torch> BluesKaj: had to kill whiptail afterwards, too, here
[15:28] <BluesKaj> ok kill it is
[15:29] <_BS_> Torch: But where my question was coming from, sans nameserver, that there are these mechanisms to search a small number of optional domain qualifiers. And in a small / being set up network, were no domain, or even .local domain would be a fallback / failsafe moniker, one would think this should work. Let alone, merely appending .local, which I had never specified anywhere, resolves and pings...
[15:29] <_BS_> ...successfully.
[15:30] <_BS_> Torch: have tried search in resolv.conf before asking ... no change in behaviour.
[15:30] <BluesKaj> Torch, isn't the nameserver in resolv.conf usually the router IP?
[15:31] <_BS_> BluesKaj: no, the dns, not the router. e.g. Mine is 4.2.2.2, which, to get to, would traverse the router. Also, just in case, we're talking 'domain' and 'search' lines.
[15:32] <Torch> _BS_: what i was trying to say is that there isn't really a domain without a nameserver.
[15:32] <Torch> _BS_: only fake domains like .local
[15:32] <apotux> Quick question, where the Free ATI driver keep it's configuration in 11.04?
[15:32] <_BS_> I shouldn't have to restart networking, should I? Changes in resolv.conf take effect immediately.
[15:32] <Torch> _BS_: yes, they do.
[15:33] <Torch> BluesKaj: if you happen to have a home router that happens to act as a nameserver and you want to use it, then the answer is "yes" ;-)
[15:33] <BluesKaj> _BS_, what if one is using dnsmasq ?
[15:33] <_BS_> BluesKaj: I take your point, but what we're really talking about here is a 'virtual' mechanism whereby a hostname used with an unknown ip address triggers an attempt at resolution by appending various names (and checking the hosts file) in the process.
[15:34] <Torch> _BS_: yes, but this is what search in resolv.conf is for. honestly ;-)
[15:35] <BluesKaj> I was told to use dnsmasq , and set the dns server like googledns IPs in the router , and resolv.conf then look for the dns in the router settings
[15:35] <BluesKaj> is this correct ?
[15:36] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Right, but that's fair unusual. / Not the default. 'Usually' nameserver is passed down via dhcp, which (nameservers) are received by router via dhcp from isp. dnsmasq shouldn't have anything to do with nameserver numbers (by default). [Hopefully I'm not confusing masquerade with dnsmask here.]
[15:37] <_BS_> Torch: I'm not disputing what you're saying about purpose for search in resolv.conf - it all makes sense. It just doesn't work.
[15:37] <Torch> _BS_: maybe because it can't resolve the domain names?
[15:38] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Right, but router is handing dns nameserver down to machine in dhcp. The number in resolv.conf will be set by dhcp to what the router told it to set it to, not usually the router itself.
[15:38] <BluesKaj> I'm using static IP in /etc/network/interfaces
[15:38] <Torch> _BS_: and maybe it can't do that because they don't really exist? that's just a guess.
[15:38] <_BS_> Torch: OK, but then why does pinging mymachine.local work (regardless of all the resolv.conf stuff), when mymachine, and not mymachine.local is in hosts?
[15:39] <Torch> _BS_: unless the router acts as a forwarding nameserver, which is probably not too uncommon
[15:39] <Torch> _BS_: i don't think you can just make up domains like that in /etc/hosts
[15:39] <Torch> _BS_: so it works for the local host, but not for others
[15:39] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Well nameserver entries got there somehow? Either you manually set it, or it came down (originally) by DHCP, before you had chance to set static IP.
[15:39] <Torch> _BS_: just a guess again
[15:40] <_BS_> Torch: (forwarding nameserver) but hidden well then. I have never seen nameserver set to my router, unless I set it that way.
[15:41] <Torch> _BS_: no idea, that's just how i'd do it if i had to write software for home routers ;-)
[15:41] <Torch> anyway, got to run some errands and shop groceries.
[15:41] <Torch> later.
[15:41] <_BS_> Torch: But I haven't set up domains in hosts. That's the strange part. I almost fell off my chair when it found it by .local. I don't even remember where I saw it figured it out as being on the .local domain, I had never heard of it prior.
[15:42] <BluesKaj> dhcp confuses me , if my interfaces file sets a static IP , why do we need dhcp , except for those pcs with dynamic settings in interfaces
[15:45] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Your machine doesn't. (need dhcp.) [But, typically, first boot machine use it, before you got a chance to set static.] And I believe resolv.conf remembers last set nameserver. AND - don't forget ... networkmanager is still lurking somewhere stupid.
[15:45] <_BS_> And ... I think I get where .local is coming from ... my internal domain is mydomain.local.
[15:45] <BluesKaj> I purged network manager and modem manager
[15:47] <BluesKaj> _BS_, what's the path to mydomain.local  ..wonder if it's on my pc as well
[15:47] <BluesKaj>  /etc ?
[15:48] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Path?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> or is it a nameserver?
[15:50] <BluesKaj> wish I could see a schematic of the networking system , so i could make more sense of it
[15:50] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Confused. mydomain.local is the domain. There is no path. Domain membership is set in resolv.conf and hosts. [Discovered yesterday docs are stupid. Hosts must have 127.0.0.1 mymachine.mydomain mymachine. THEN dnsdomainname works. I'd always had 127.0.0.1 mymachine mymachine.mydomain.] Stupid docs.
[15:50] <_BS_> BluesKaj: I'm very confused. For the purposes of my question: Machine A <-> switch <-> Machine B.
[15:51] <_BS_> BluesKaj: For that matter, put a crossover cable between them ,and there'd be no switch even.
[15:53] <BluesKaj>  /etc/hosts here  , first line is : 127.0.0.1	localhost.localdomain	localhost
[15:53] <_BS_> Wikipedia .local. Interesting.
[15:53] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Then you're good. (Witness by proper result from 'dnsdomainname'.) For YEARS, I had it the other way around. <sigh>
[15:54] <BluesKaj> _BS_, but that was generated by default somehow
[15:54] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Perhaps as part of guided install when one specifies a domain name?
[15:54] <BluesKaj> except I forgot to change the nameserver in resolv,cong to 127.0.01
[15:55] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Need more coffee?
[15:57] <BluesKaj> _BS_, but i also have the router IP as nameserver too , so which one is correct ?
[15:58] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Is your router running named, a dns server, dns forwarder, or dns proxy?
[15:59] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Perhaps this is the way to tell: 'nameserver', 'server <your router ip>', 'me.mine'. If you get '** server can't find myname.host: nXDOMAIN' it's probably not running named.
[16:00] <_BS_> BluesKaj: now enter 'server <your internal dns ip>', then 'mycomputer.mynet', you'll probably get a response.
[16:00] <BluesKaj> _BS_, If I understand correctly the dns server settings are in the router which I set to manual mode to look at googledns 8.8.8.8 primary nad 8.8.4.4 secindary
[16:02] <_BS_> BluesKaj: My example doesn't work - never mind. On what you said 'if I understand correctly ...' ok so far.
[16:03] <_BS_> BluesKaj: However, what you / Torch said may be (inadvertently) correct. I queried my own router, which shouldn't be running anything dns, and it resolved a name for me. I have to conclude that it is in turn passing the request on to the nameserver it does know about - whether that nameserver be set on it via its own resolv.conf or by the one it received via DHCP.
[16:04] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Never mind all that, I'm just confusing you. Start back at square one: You've specified particular DNS servers in your router, and ...
[16:04] <BluesKaj> resolv.conf needs the router IP , the hosts IP 127.0.0.1 doesn't resolve , so to speak :)
[16:06] <_BS_> BluesKaj: resolv.conf should not need your router ip unless the router is running a dns <something>. 127.0.0.1 should not work either, unless that machine is a dns server. And if it is, then resolv.conf should indeed specify 127.0.0.1.
[16:06] <BluesKaj> I'm gonna take a look for soem networking schematics which show the different networking files and their rroles and interactions with router , dns  and gateway
[16:07] <BluesKaj> _BS_, yes my router is running google dns
[16:07] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Good luck with your search - you'll either drown, or be parched.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> hehe
[16:08] <_BS_> Blueskaj: your router cannot be running google dns. It can, however, be pointed at google dns for lookups. NOT the same thing.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> yeah , I meant it's set to look at google dns IPs
[16:09] <_BS_> Blueskaj: For it's purposes, it may use google dns for it's own lookups. But is not likely serving up dns for your internal machiens, itself. It may be passing on dns requests to google, but that's either automagic, or something you specifically set up.
[16:10] <BluesKaj> I was advised to set it up that way
[16:10] <_BS_> BluesKaj: I'm not saying its set up wrong. I'm just saying that I don't see why your local computer's resolv.conf would point to your router - if it's not running a dns process.
[16:11] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Your local computer's resolv.conf pointing at google dns would make sense, just not your router.
[16:13] <_BS_> BluesKaj: just not TO your router.
[16:13] <_BS_> BluesKaj: ON your router, would also make sense.
[16:14] <BluesKaj> ok , I guess resolv.conf was the original place for the dbns service IPs , and the router was still set to auto ..how doe resolv.onf  bypass the bell auto dns settings
[16:14] <BluesKaj> how does resolv.conf bypass
[16:15] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Your system, when asked to resolve a name, checks in resolv.conf for who to resolve names for it. And, from what I've seen, resolv.conf gets, and keeps, the last given name servers. So, once you set static ip and stopped dhcp, it would never update the name server settings.
[16:16] <_BS_> BluesKaj: So, do yourself a favour, change the name server settings to 4.2.2.2 and 4.2.2.4. (Avoid both google dns, and opendns nonsense, go directly to AT&T servers.)
[16:16] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Interesting ... you said Bell. So you're in Canada too. And probably in Ontario.
[16:17] <BluesKaj> _BS_, yes about 40mins west of Sudbury, near manitoulin , a small town called Espanola
[16:18] <BluesKaj> Waterloo, _BS_ ?
[16:18] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Oh yeah. Cool. Never been that far. Been to Sudbury. Apologies - but you can have your North. Southern Ontario for me!
[16:18] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Clever guy.
[16:19] <BluesKaj> well , _BS_ , it's a nice place for retired ppl , like me
[16:20] <BluesKaj> ok so resolv,conf nameservers  4.2.2.2 and 4.2.2.4 , right and then leave the dns router settings on auto ?
[16:20] <_BS_> BluesKaj: I've been hearing stuff like that. Cheap land along the French River, etc. Retirement communities building up, with good local health care available, etc. Me - I'll head more south (never to U.S., sorry guys), not more north.
[16:23] <BluesKaj> ok , resolv.conf has the dns IPs you suggested ..AT&T you say , _BS_  ?
[16:23] <_BS_> BluesKaj: You can change the router settings too, won't hurt. Can help. Really, the router settings should only impact names that the router itself tries to resolv. Oh, and, since it's likely running your dhcp, it will send those nameserver numbers to anything that does use dhsp. Here's a little trick for you - if you reverse the order of the servers you use, between your static ip boxes,...
[16:23] <_BS_> ...and your router, when you see a different order than expected somewhere, you know where it came from - your own static setting, or you got the settings from your router. Say, for example, your static ip box accidentally got set to use dhcp. You might notice by reversed dns numbers, and so know to go check that your static ip settings didn't get whacked somehow.
[16:25] <BluesKaj> I have both boxes setup to staic IP in their respective interfaces files
[16:25] <BluesKaj> static
[16:27] <BluesKaj> _BS_,  thanks for your advice BTW..much appreciated
[16:27] <_BS_> BluesKaj: re: AT&T, well I thought so, if memory served. However 'nslookup 4.2.2.2' is resolving to vnsc.bak.sys.geti.net. Which I don't recognize. (I don't mistrust the number, I mistrust the name and my memory.) Googling gave me http://www.tummy.com/Community/Articles/famous-dns-server/, which looks like an interesting read. But I'm not changing my numbers.
[16:28] <_BS_> BluesKaj: No worries. You've given me enough advice, and/or will in the future. :-)
[16:29] <_BS_> BluesKaj: There's a utility, I'm trying to remember the name, that searches the net and tells you the fastest dns servers for your area.
[16:29] <BluesKaj> _BS_, well ,it's probly moot , being in the boonies an'all
[16:29] <BluesKaj> :)
[16:30] <NJL> for some reason, as of today, kde 4.7 decided to start crashing at the splash screen (kubuntu 11.04)   any ideas?
[16:31] <_BS_> BluesKaj: Surprisingly not. Particularly given how many times a system does a dns query. There is real value in running a dns forwarding / proxy server on your local net. You can then, for example, set a name timeout of an hour, or whatever. Then when you do a query, it queries it, and it comes right back to you. No time lost.
[16:34] <BluesKaj> _BS_, the server dns IPs you listed are verizon http://theos.in/windows-xp/free-fast-public-dns-server-list/
[16:35] <_BS_> BluesKaj: So ... you're telling me my own memory is going to pieces too? The age creeps up, the body aches more and more, the memory starts to go ... and ... there it went? ;-)
[16:37] <_BS_> BluesKaj: http://code.google.com/p/namebench/ is the cool tool I was thinking of.
[16:45] <BluesKaj> Thanks _BS_ ..setting it up now
[16:46] <systemclient> is there some vmware emulator (like virtual box) for Kubuntu?
[16:47] <BluesKaj> !VB | systemclient
[16:47] <BluesKaj> !info VB | systemclient
[16:47] <BluesKaj> hmm
[16:47] <BluesKaj> !VM
[16:47] <_BS_> systemclient: You mean a kubuntu front end to whatever you are using for vm's? Such as virtualbox?
[16:48] <systemclient> _BS_: I mean something like vbox which is not vbox
[16:48] <systemclient> because my vbox does not support halo 1 in win xp
[16:48] <systemclient> and vbox cannot install arch linux for some reason
[16:50] <James147> systemclient: virtual box can install an arch system... and most vms donot support 3d very well
[16:50] <_BS_> systemclient: If by vbox you mean virtualbox, you are looking for a vm app / manager that isn't virtual box? [None of which has anything to do with kde, which is a window manager.]
[16:50] <systemclient> James147: I tried to install arch four times, each time it failed to install grub
[16:51] <systemclient> _BS_: I know that it has nothing to do with KDE
[16:51] <systemclient> _BS_: KDE is a DE and not a WM btw
[16:51] <systemclient> _BS_: KWin is KDE's WM
[16:51] <James147> systemclient: kde is also a application famework ^^ and a comunitity
[16:51] <systemclient> systemclient: and a German Verein I think
[16:51] <systemclient> anyway :D
[16:52] <systemclient> I am just looking for a different virtualisation solution for my personal desktop
[16:52] <_BS_> systemclient: Sorry, but you asked ... never mind ... you said kubuntu, not kde, my mistake. And my mistake on window manager.
[16:53]  * James147 goes off to see if he can replicate systemclient problem in virutal box
[16:53] <systemclient> James147: that will take a while … it installs nicely and then it fails with the grub install
[16:54] <_BS_> Got to go. Thanks everyone for the help - it's been a slice.
[16:54] <James147> systemclient: shouldnt take more then 10 mins... or less if you ahve done it allot :)
[16:54] <James147> systemclient: espically since I dont ahve to configure it... just install it :)
[16:54] <systemclient> James147: just the downloading of the additional packages takes several minutes with my 3M connection
[16:55] <James147> systemclient: ^^ not gona dl anything jsut do a install from the iso
[16:55] <systemclient> James147: that is what I tried, and it still downlaoded a lot
[16:55] <James147> it shouldnt
[16:56] <systemclient> James147: I'll try it again and just cut off the NAT …
[16:57] <systemclient> James147: it takes me an extra minute to get my keyboard layout straight
[17:03] <systemclient> James147: and it does not let me use the CD as a source, but only the net
[17:04] <James147> systemclient: did you dl the minimal (net install) version?
[17:05] <systemclient> James147: I tried both core and net install
[17:06] <systemclient> James147: core fails to use its own stuff too
[17:07] <James147> systemclient: well you should probally talk to #archlinux about that :) this isnt really the channel for it although the core `should` beable to do local installs... i have always been able to
[17:08] <systemclient> James147: I'll bug them later on. Now I try to install with syslinux instead of grub … no idea what that is, but let's try it :D
[17:08] <James147> systemclient: its a different boot loader that better sutied to booting cds and other such media (most live cds use it to boot)
[17:09] <systemclient> James147: I guess if grub just fails to install, syslinux might be worth a shot
[17:11]  * James147 accdently skiped over the installing grub bit :D
[17:12] <systemclient> James147: did you render your install unstartable that way?
[17:12] <James147> dont see why ^^ just might have to go though it again (is just trying the manuall approch)
[17:14] <James147> seemed to work (running grub-install manually)
[17:14] <James147> yeah, not problems installing arch in virtualbox here ^^
[17:15] <James147> ^^ so you should be able to use vbox in kubuntu for an arch guest...
[17:21] <systemclient> James147: I assume you have the latest regular version of vbox?
[17:21] <systemclient> James147: I got it installed with syslinux, but it only boots the bootloader -.-
[17:24] <MarcM> Hello folks
[17:25] <MarcM> For some reason my desktop resolution is reset after I reboot. This is a fresh Kubuntu 11.04 installation.
[17:26] <MarcM> It does recognize the correct resolution for my first monitor, but when I set up the resolution and desktop spread for the second one (that has a different resolution, mind you) it gets reset after a reboot, although it works before the restart.
[17:26] <James147> systemclient: latest version of virtualbox and latest arch iso
[17:27] <systemclient> James147: vbox 4.0.4 OSE
[17:27] <James147> systemclient: though I dont see why the version of virtualbox would make a difference... more ikly a problem with th iso.... you should probally talk to #archlinux about it
[17:27] <systemclient> James147: they say it is a GRUB issue …
[17:27] <James147> systemclient: 4.1.2 here
[17:27] <systemclient> James147: do you use Natty?
[17:28] <James147> systemclient: no :)
[17:28] <systemclient> James147: Oneiric?
[17:29] <James147> systemclient: currently on my arch box ^^ though i dont see why that would make a difference to this...
[17:29] <James147> I have not had problems with grub and vbox before (or ever)
[17:29] <systemclient> James147: me neither, until this arch install … suse, debian, ubuntu
[17:29] <systemclient> all worked fine
[17:30] <James147> systemclient: so its most likly a problem with the arch iso you have :p
[17:30] <systemclient> archlinux-2010.05-netinstall-i686.iso and archlinux-2011.08.06-core-i686.iso
[17:30] <systemclient> James147: those are the ones I tried
[17:30] <James147> MarcM: What graphics card?
[17:30] <MarcM> ATI Radeon HD2600
[17:31] <James147> !ati | MarcM
[17:31] <systemclient> MarcM: Apple iMac by chance?
[17:31] <MarcM> Nope. I built this one myself.
[17:31] <MarcM> It might be because I never set the primary display.
[17:32] <MarcM> And each time it boots, it chooses one of the monitors and just goes with the default settings.
[18:38] <JohnDoe4546> Hello
[18:38] <JohnDoe4546> I am in incredible trouble
[18:39] <JohnDoe4546> My Kubuntu 11.04 failed to come back from hibernate
[18:39] <JohnDoe4546> I had to reboot
[18:39] <JohnDoe4546> then grub said there is no usably file system
[18:39] <JohnDoe4546> entered rescue mode
[18:39] <JohnDoe4546> but no usable file system found
[18:40] <JohnDoe4546> The installer shell says Busybox v1.17.1
[18:40] <JohnDoe4546> what to do next?
[18:52] <BluesKaj> JohnDoe4546, http://old.nabble.com/System-boot-problem,-BusyBox-related--td17656882.html
[18:55] <neighborlee> hi,,just installed kubuntu on a quad core 8800gtx,,very nice so far..I have a very laggy desktop atm where resizing windows is a real problem ( slow)..is 3d acceleration not setup out of box on install ?
[18:56] <neighborlee> Make that..everything is horribly slow atm
[18:57] <alts> neighborlee: install the nvidia ndrivers from http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
[18:58] <JohnDoe4546> @BluesKaj: fsck.ext4 helped a lot
[18:58] <JohnDoe4546> fixed a ton of errors
[18:58] <neighborlee> alts: ok
[18:58] <JohnDoe4546> now grub is back
[19:16] <neighborlee> alts: ugh its been too long..please remind me how I exit 'X' to run this nvidia run command..telinit isn't working
[19:17] <alts> neighborlee: ctrl + alt + <F1> will switch you to a terminal console
[19:17] <alts> neighborlee: ctrl + alt + <F7> will switch you back
[19:18] <neighborlee> ah ok ty :)))
[19:18] <James147> neighborlee: why not install the nvidia drivers using jocky-kde?
[19:18] <neighborlee> never heard of it
[19:19] <neighborlee> but ok
[19:19] <neighborlee> whateveryou suggest..im new to ubuntu, and largely kde
[19:19] <Daskreech> alts: that's not going to stop X though
[19:19] <Daskreech> neighborlee: Welcome to KDE! :)
[19:19] <neighborlee> sorry
[19:19] <neighborlee> 'new to kubuntu';
[19:19] <neighborlee> :))
[19:19] <neighborlee> Daskreech: ty  ;))
[19:19] <James147> neighborlee: it will install and configure non free drivers (called adition drivers in the menu)
[19:19] <neighborlee> HM
[19:20] <neighborlee> James147: so its in the current kubuntu menu then ?
[19:20] <Daskreech> neighborlee: Welkome to that too :)
[19:20] <neighborlee> heh ty
[19:20] <James147> neighborlee: should be ^^
[19:20] <neighborlee> ok
[19:21] <neighborlee> James147: sorry, atm I can't find it aNywhere
[19:22] <James147> neighborlee: alt+f2: search "jockey-kde"
[19:22] <aguitel>  cannot send private message with choqok ,the say  need autentication ,anyone know this?
[19:22] <neighborlee> ok
[19:22] <neighborlee> James147: ok checking
[19:23] <neighborlee> James147: did you mean jokey-kde ?
[19:23] <James147> :)
[19:23] <James147> probally
[19:23] <neighborlee> James147: that seems to cause 'additional drivers' to come up..is that it ?
[19:23] <James147> yea
[19:23] <neighborlee> k
[19:24] <James147> (jokey-kde is what the executable is called, additional drivers is what the program is called)
[19:25] <Daskreech> oh good ... they renamed it jokey
[19:25] <Daskreech> that's confidence inspiring
[19:25] <neighborlee> heh
[19:25] <neighborlee> yeah..thats a real headscratcher if  ever heard one
[19:25] <neighborlee> ;)
[19:26] <neighborlee> Is that some brittish sense of humor working or what ;)
[19:26] <neighborlee> ok its installed..im told to reboot..BRB
[19:29] <neighborlee> ok much better,,thanks everyone..WHEW
[19:29] <neighborlee> man that was ugly before this LOL..there need to be a way to warn people, given that compiz enables out of box on fresh install
[19:30] <neighborlee> not everyone is going to begeeky enough to ask on irc ;)
[19:30] <neighborlee> or did I miss some notification warning
[19:31] <riff> what is a good gui task manager?
[19:32] <Daskreech> A pencil and paper?
[19:33] <Daskreech> neighborlee: Compiz does things a little differently from Kwin
[19:33] <riff> heh i was thinking to see what processes are operating at the back of the machine also to force closed programs that encounter problems
[19:33] <neighborlee> Daskreech: hm
[19:34] <Daskreech> Oh that task manager :)
[19:34] <Daskreech> riff: press ctrl+Esc
[19:34] <neighborlee> lol
[19:34] <riff> fanstastic trying to learn linux thanks for the help
[19:35] <Daskreech> riff: Sure. Ask about anything you like
[19:35] <riff> time is limited today but will be back later agian thanks
[19:48] <neighborlee> Daskreech: nice touch putting a placeholder for installing firefox on menu
[20:18] <ScottyK> I dual boot Win7 and Kubuntu 11.04. I just upgraded the win7 to 64  bit. How do I get the GRUB menu back to get back to Kubuntu?
[20:19] <yofel> !grub2 | ScottyK
[20:20] <ScottyK> ubottu - meant to say Grub2! LOL. Thanks for the link!
[20:20] <ScottyK> now i feel fooligh
[20:28] <BarkingFish> anyone here having issues with Firefox?
[20:28] <BarkingFish> For some reason, after about 10 minutes using firefox, my whole machine slows down to the point where even the clock in my system tray only updates every 15 seconds or so
[20:45] <dthacker> BarkingFish: What does top say?
[20:48] <BarkingFish> dunno, I nuked firefox before I could check :P
[20:48] <BarkingFish> It was either that or face a hard shutdown and a massive 45 minute disk check on restart :)
[20:49] <yofel> any disk I/O? maybe there was a memory leak and it was swapping
[20:49] <BarkingFish> oh yeah, the disks were going gaga
[20:51] <BarkingFish> If I notice it again while I'm running, I'll try and get into konsole as fast as possible before the machine stops, get top up and copy firefox's line, then nuke firefox before it kills the machine
[20:51] <James147> (or run top in the background until it happens ^^ )  :)
[20:52] <BarkingFish> that's a good thought.
[20:52] <BarkingFish> I'm half asleep this evening :)
[20:54] <BarkingFish> shagpile. It's doing it now. Hold on.
[20:54] <BarkingFish> Got it.
[20:55] <BarkingFish> 24376 thor      20   0  645m  85m  30m S  86.5  90.3   0:15.12 firefox-bin
[20:56] <dthacker> BarkingFish: is that the top process?   Are you swapping?
[20:56] <Torch> wow
[20:56] <BarkingFish> dthacker, It was
[20:56] <BarkingFish> I just nuked it
[20:56] <Torch> 90% memory usage...
[20:56] <Torch> BarkingFish: running any weird extensions?
[20:56] <dthacker> hmmmmm   playing flash?
[20:56] <BarkingFish> a couple of odd ones, Tonio_
[20:57] <BarkingFish> sorry, Torch
[20:57] <Torch> BarkingFish: i'd suggest throwing any of those out (apart from the standard stuff like adblock) until it goes away
[20:58] <BarkingFish> I have Moonlight installed, and the Ubuntu firefox pack as extensions
[20:58] <Torch> BarkingFish: well, moonlight...
[20:58] <BarkingFish> And Flash, the Kopete Skype buttons and a Silverlight plugin which I assume is provided by Moonlight
[20:59] <Torch> BarkingFish: the moon/silverlight stuff might be suspect #1 on the list here, but that's of course just guessing
[20:59] <BarkingFish> Moonlight's never been a problem for me before
[20:59] <James147> Torch: would be my guess as well :) ... and dose anyone actually use it except microsoft? :p
[20:59] <Torch> James147: good question
[21:00] <Torch> BarkingFish: what do you need it for, out of curiosity?
[21:00] <BarkingFish> James147, Yes - the company which tracks my pet uses Moonlight for its maps and tracking provision on its website
[21:00] <BarkingFish> Moonlight/Silverlight
[21:01] <Torch> BarkingFish: anyway, remove it temporarily and see if that helps.
[21:01] <James147> BarkingFish: complain to them and tell them to use html5 instead... like all other web sites :)  ... at least that should be the long term fix
[21:01] <BarkingFish> I can disable it for now, Torch - if that will do the same job :)
[21:03] <Torch> BarkingFish: sure worth a shot
[21:03] <BarkingFish> ok, well it's done for now
[21:11] <shane2peru> Ok, back to the Firefox - "A plugin is needed to display this content.  Install plugin...   I assume this would be missing flash?  I think this is what drove me to Chrome.
[21:12] <James147> shane2peru: probally " sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer" should insteall it
[21:12] <James147> install ^^ :)
[21:12] <shane2peru> James147 it is already installed, I had flash working before
[21:13] <shane2peru> I have an easier solution, I opened chrome, we will see if that is affected.  I got tired before of a flash update or firefox update, that broke firefox/flash
[21:14] <shane2peru> ok, now we have a problem, chrome is missing the pplug-in too
[21:14] <dthacker> shane2peru: if you have updated and your flash does not work, you may have to uninstall/reinstall 'flashplugin-installer'
[21:15] <shane2peru> I should be able to just install flashplugin-nonfree right?
[21:15] <shane2peru> I removed it and am now re-installing it
[21:15] <shane2peru> probably should have purged it
[21:16] <James147> shane2peru: that package dosnt exist any more does it?  (at least it should just be a dummy package that points to flashplugin-installer"
[21:16] <shane2peru> That is the first time ever I have seen Chrome have a problem with Flash, I thought it downloaded flash itself automagically or something
[21:16] <James147> shane2peru: purghing/removing it will do nothing ^^ need to purge -installer
[21:17] <shane2peru> James147 could be, I think it is probably a dummy package for stubborn people like me. :)  That don't like package name changes.
[21:17] <James147> shane2peru: dumy packages are to allow the package managers to upgrade them smoothly :)
[21:18] <James147> shane2peru: they can be removed without actually affecting anything... so reinstalling them does nothing
[21:18] <shane2peru> well, didn't need to purge it anyway, just removing it and installing it again did the trick
[21:19] <shane2peru> lol, actually I removed the flashplugin-installer, and install flashplugin-nonfree. :)  Hows that for confusing
[21:19] <shane2peru> ok, thanks James147 and dthacker  I'm all set.
[21:19] <James147> shane2peru: well, nonfree should install -installer :)
[21:20] <dthacker> \o/
[21:21] <shane2peru> I'm surprised though, because I was under the impression that Chrome managed flash for itself?  or it used to?  I'm about 95% sure I read that somewhere, although could have been a year ago.
[21:21] <James147> shane2peru: chrome or chromium?
[21:21] <shane2peru> At least I didn't have to go through and manually purge all the flash soft links.
[21:21] <shane2peru> I'm quite sure I have Chrome, I stay away from Chromium as it is basically the testing bed of Chrome.
[21:21] <shane2peru> although mostly stable.
[21:22] <James147> shane2peru: no, its the unbranded and fully open version of chrome... not the test bed :)
[21:23]  * James147 had had no problems with it ever :)
[21:23] <shane2peru> James147 actually I read on the Google site somewhere (again may have been a year ago) that Chromium was actually a stable test bed for Chrome, that was when I switched to Chrome, because I had a problems with Chromium, albeit minor
[21:24] <shane2peru> I discovered that Chromium didn't handle PDF files the same as Chrome, which that could be because of open source versus closed.
[21:24] <James147> shane2peru: as far as I know there are seperate stable/testing/unstable releases of chromium... (and chrome as well i think)
[21:25] <James147> shane2peru: possibally ^^ chrome has some extra closed things in it
[21:25] <shane2peru> could be things changed, I mean Chromium was always pretty stable, and very decent, just a few things that I ran into here and there that caused me to switch.
[21:26] <shane2peru> anyway, I have been happy with Chrome. :)  That is why we love Linux, user's choice. ;)
[21:26] <James147> shane2peru: yup :)
[21:26] <shane2peru> and user actually has a choice
[21:37] <[deXter]> shadeslayer: Yep, Chrome has an integrated pdf and flash plugin.. very convenient
[21:37] <shane2peru> [deXter]: except in my case it didn't work. :(
[21:37] <[deXter]> shadeslayer: I've also noticed that the sync feature doesn't sync passwords across Chrome and Chromium..
[21:37] <[deXter]> shane2peru: How come?
[21:38] <shane2peru> [deXter]: not sure, I had to re-install flashplugin-installer
[21:45] <bthornton> Hey all. Running Ubuntu 11.04 here, decided to install KDE alongside Gnome. I'm logged into Gnome at the moment, but Chrome now seems to be using different fonts after I installed KDE. Any idea how to revert back?
[21:48] <BarkingFish> bthornton, in chrome, go to chrome://settings/advanced  - Go to web content in the right hand pane, and click Customise fonts
[21:51] <bthornton> BarkingFish: thanks for the tip, but I'm just looking for how to put the fonts back to the defaults (i.e. pre-KDE). I don't know what the defaults are to set them back manually.
[21:52] <BarkingFish> ah.
[21:52] <BarkingFish> I thought you wanted to set the fonts back in chrome :)
[21:52] <bthornton> I do--but back to the defaults that Chrome uses :)
[21:52] <bthornton> all of my other apps seem to be fine, but Chrome's fonts have changed for some reason
[21:52] <BarkingFish> hold on a second, I've not changed my default fonts in chrome, so I'll tell you what mine are
[21:52] <BluesKaj> bthornton, unfortunately kde font settings has no effect on chrome afaik
[21:53] <bthornton> incidentally, it looks like they've all been set to Windows fonts: Times New Roman, Arial, and Courier New. Gnome, I believe, uses open source fonts.
[21:53] <BarkingFish> they ARE all windows fonts - and they're what my copy of chrome defaulted to
[21:54] <bthornton> really? hmmm...
[21:54] <bthornton> <compares to Firefox...>
[21:54] <BarkingFish> Times New Roman 16 - Standard Font.  Times New Roman 16 - Serif Font.  Arial 16 - Sans Serif Font and Courier New for Fixed width
[21:55] <bthornton> BarkingFish: appreciate you checking into that for me. That's what mine are, too
[21:55] <bthornton> and it looks like Firefox has also changed; seems equally "wrong" from what it was before I installed KDE
[21:55] <BarkingFish> if you want the free versions, they're:
[21:55] <bthornton> wonder if the DPI setting changed somewhere?
[21:55] <BarkingFish> FreeSerif, FreeSans and FreeMono
[21:56] <bthornton> cool thanks
[21:58] <BarkingFish> since you're in Natty, might be wise to check you have the pack for those fonts installed
[21:58] <BarkingFish> sudo apt-get install ttf-freefont
[21:58] <BarkingFish> I had to download them, I didn't get them right off the bat when I installed
[22:01] <bthornton> ok
[22:51] <ionite> anyone there?
[22:51] <ionite> my KDE freezes at the slpash screen occasionally. can anyone help me?
[22:52] <ionite> everything is already loaded however it gets stuck at the K icon.
[23:01] <ionite> my KDE freezes at the slpash screen occasionally. can anyone help me?
[23:01] <James147> ionite: umm, what happens if you disable the splash screen?
[23:02] <ionite> James147: disable? how do i disable?
[23:04] <James147> ionite: system settings > workspace appearence > splashscreen
[23:04] <James147> set to none
[23:04] <ionite> James147: u mean choose the default?
[23:05] <ionite> James147: ohh. ok i get u
[23:05] <ionite> James147: but sometimes it freezes and sometimes it exits the splash screen and goes into my desktop. so i dont know whats causing this prob.
[23:08] <James147> ionite: yeah, see if disabling it helps or helps you see whats causing it
[23:08] <James147> ionite: if not you could try a new user... if it works as expected for them then its a problem with this users settings
[23:08] <ionite> James147: if the problem remains? what should i do actually when it freezes @ the splash screen? should i do a hard reset?
[23:11] <Daskreech> ionite: dump your KDM settings?
[23:11] <Daskreech> though sounds like a session error to me
[23:12] <James147> ^^ probally, which is why testing a new user is a good idea :) will at least confirm it as a session error
[23:12] <Daskreech> Could just login to KDE with a blank session
[23:13] <ionite> James147: how do i fix a session error?
[23:15] <James147> ionite: finding and deleting the right config  normally :)
[23:15] <Daskreech> renaming
[23:15] <ionite> James147: how do i find and delete and make the right config?
[23:15] <James147> ^^ yes renaming :)
[23:16] <James147> ionite: mostly trial and error... though I find plasma tends to be a likly culprit :(
[23:16] <ionite> James147: yes it thinnk so too. how do i see my plasma log?
[23:17] <James147> ionite: what I tend to do is rename ~/.kde and test, if it works then move .kde back again and start renaming things in ~/.kde/share/config :)
[23:17] <James147> umm, does plasma even create logs?
[23:20] <ionite> James147: hmm.. how do i even trial and error? i tried to reinstall my plasmas but i cant as it's the latest already.
[23:23] <James147> ionite: to reset plasma to its default setting move ~/.kde/share/config/plasm*  (evething thing begining with plasm that is)
[23:23] <James147> then logout andback in
[23:24] <ionite> James147: so i just type move ~/.kde/share/config/plasm* in my konsole?
[23:24] <James147> ionite:
[23:24] <James147> ionite:  no...
[23:25] <James147> ionite:  "mkdir ~/plasma-backups && mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasm* ~/plasma-backups"
[23:26] <ionite> James147: there after?
[23:26] <James147> restart plasma (either manually or just logging out and back in)
[23:27] <ionite> James147: alright. here goes nothing.
[23:34] <shane2peru> what do we use in KDE to format a sdcard?
[23:35] <shane2peru> Oh, kde partition manager. :)
[23:37] <shane2peru> hmm, won't let me apply a label???
[23:38] <James147> shane2peru: what formate are you using?
[23:38] <shane2peru> started with FAT16, and now FAT32
[23:38] <James147> shane2peru: vfat dosnt support labels
[23:38] <shane2peru> neither seems to allow label
[23:39] <shane2peru> I labeled my USB sticks, SDCards all with fat32?
[23:40] <shane2peru> Ok, that is weird, I sometime must have ignorantly installed gparted, with gparted, I could make a label, but kde partition manager I couldn't. :O
[23:40] <James147> hmm
[23:46] <LinuxCommando> hi everyone i need to install a .deb package, problem is i dont have apt OR dpkg how would i do it with the install command?
[23:47] <James147> LinuxCommando: um why dont you have apt- dpkg? ... if your not using a debian baised system I suggest you get the package for your distro
[23:48] <LinuxCommando> im using linux from scratch to build my own.
[23:49] <LinuxCommando> thier IRC support is TERRIBLE
[23:49] <James147> LinuxCommando: then build dpkg first ^^
[23:49] <LinuxCommando> thats what the .deb is
[23:49] <James147> LinuxCommando: compile it from source
[23:50] <LinuxCommando> i need to install it
[23:50] <James147> ^^ and whats the point of trying to build a debian basied distro from source?
[23:50] <LinuxCommando> there is the install command however the usage indo is cut off and i cant scroll up
[23:50] <James147> if you want dpkg its best to base your distro off debian
[23:51] <LinuxCommando> okbut thats not the point
[23:51] <James147> LinuxCommando: the install command is just a fancy cp command... it wont install .debs
[23:52] <LinuxCommando> hmm that explains a load
[23:52] <LinuxCommando> thank you
[23:52] <James147> LinuxCommando: there is very little point in building dpkg for linux from scratch... there is no garentee packages will work on your system unless you make dam well sure they do... at which point you may as well either just compile everything or base off a debian build
[23:53] <LinuxCommando> how would i base it off debian?
[23:53] <LinuxCommando> i just need that so i can build kde so i can have a gui
[23:54] <LinuxCommando> thats all i need i have everything else really
[23:54] <James147> LinuxCommando: what exactly are you trying to do? lfs is not a very good system for desktops unless you really know what your doing... its better to just install a minimal debian system or use a distro like arch linux or gentoo
[23:55] <LinuxCommando> its built from the ground up
[23:55] <LinuxCommando> ?????
[23:56] <LinuxCommando> what i ment to say is: im doing it for education purposes
[23:56] <LinuxCommando> im trying to build my own from the groung up.
[23:57] <James147> LinuxCommando: in that case just compile everything... there is little point in trying to use package management on a system like lfs if your not planning to maintain it in the long run :)
[23:57] <LinuxCommando> ok
[23:57] <LinuxCommando> well eventually ill keep going but school starts in 2 days. sigh...
[23:58] <James147> LinuxCommando: if you want to build your own system from basics then arch linux or gentoo are good distros to use
[23:59] <James147> both give you a very basic system to start from and provide package managment, arhc provides binary packages and gentoo source ones (so you ahve to compile everything your self, but have a good framework to build on)
[23:59] <LinuxCommando> ok i will thank you for your help :)