[00:07] <Onlyodin> libreoffice dependency issues now?
[00:16] <zhiwei> My problem resolved.
[00:17] <zhiwei> install ccms,and use the unity plugin.
[01:35] <min|dvir|us_> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_20090808ubuntu18_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[01:35] <min|dvir|us_>   trying to overwrite '/usr/lib32/libv4l2.so.0', which is also in package lib32v4l-0 0.8.3-2
[01:35] <min|dvir|us_> Please help.
[01:41] <Onlyodin> ia32-libs has been broken for me for a couple of days
[01:42] <Onlyodin> I believe I got lib32v4l-0 0.8.5 somewhere along the way, which in turn broke ia32-libs and wine.
[01:45] <Peddy> which file is responsible for the volume OSD in gnome shell?
[01:47] <min|dvir|us_> Onlyodin: any fixes?
[01:51] <Onlyodin> min|dvir|us_, not that I'm aware of
[01:52] <Onlyodin> in your case you could possibly remove lib32v4l (not sure what its dependencies are though), or just wait until they release a fix.
[01:56] <Peddy> oh I had this problem too, I just removed ia32-libs, upgraded, then reinstalled ia32-libs (it'll remove skype, wine, etc)
[01:57] <Onlyodin> looks like the LibreOffice dependencies I noticed this morning are fixed now too
[02:01] <Onlyodin> I just successfully reinstalled ia32-libs and wine
[02:02] <Peddy> Onlyodin, out of interest, are you on an amd64 platform?
[02:03] <Peddy> are you on 64bit*
[02:06] <aroman1> hi, when I try to install flashplayer I'm told i have package conflicts and i have broken packages being held. Did something break?
[02:06] <aroman1> (as in something in the repos)
[02:08] <Onlyodin> Peddy, yes
[02:08] <Peddy> Onlyodin, do you mostly use unity or gnome shell?
[02:08] <Onlyodin> I
[02:09] <Onlyodin> I'm trying to stick it out with unity
[02:10] <Onlyodin> I don't mind the launcher, but I really don't like the "Ubuntu Start" or "Dash Home" as it seems to have been renamed to tdoay.
[02:10] <Onlyodin> *today
[02:12] <Onlyodin> I'd much prefer to have Applications, Places, Etc in a Menu format - I have a mouse and I'd prefer to use its strengths.
[02:13] <min|dvir|us_> Peddy: thanks!
[02:14] <Peddy> min|dvir|us_, did it work? :D
[02:15] <min|dvir|us_> Yes.
[02:15] <Peddy> glad to hear it!
[03:02] <zhiwei> hello,everyone. how to disable pptp vpn to remember password on ubuntu11.10?
[03:08] <Onlyodin> If anyone doesn't see window geometry (cols x rows) when resizing gnome-terminal windows, please feel free to mark this bug as affecting you too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/764134
[04:50] <hd1> anyone running oneiric on an eee?
[04:51] <hd1> aside from me, of course
[04:56] <billybigrigger_> negative
[05:00] <Smedles> hi all - currently running 11.10 with latest updates - if I logon with default 'Unity' after system starts up, I get n Unity sidebar or anything just the Evolution menus across the top
[05:01] <Smedles> 'Unity 2D' works as expected
[05:01] <Smedles> any tips?
[05:03] <urlin2u> Smedles, genearlly associayed with the graphic card and drivers, have you looked in additional drivers in the menu?
[05:07] <Smedles> urlin2u: I think I already have the ATiI drivers installed
[05:08] <Smedles> running 'additional drivers' from system settings from unity 2d triggered a crach in jockey-gtk
[05:09] <urlin2u> Smedles, sometimes the drivers from ubuntu work better then direct from a card manufacturer or other source, do you know which you have.
[05:09] <Smedles> IIRC, on 11.04 I had the ATI 3rd party drivers - not sure if 11.10 kept that or changed it to something else
[05:10] <urlin2u> Smedles, the ones in Natty  don't belive follow with a upgarde, are you upgarde or a fresh install?
[05:10] <urlin2u> I
[05:10] <Smedles> upgrade
[05:10] <urlin2u> upgrades don't carry drivers I believe.
[05:10] <urlin2u> to the upgrade
[05:11] <Smedles> ahh graphics is running in VESA mode with fallback
[05:11] <Smedles> that would explain why Unity isn't working
[05:11] <urlin2u> this command will identify the card   lspci | grep VGA
[05:12] <urlin2u> not my best area just so you know, but I wont advise anything that causes breakage
[05:12] <Smedles> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Cedar PRO [Radeon HD 5450]
[05:14] <sagaci> I like that your name appears up the top right again
[05:17] <urlin2u> so that card as you know is supported in Natty and may or will be in oneiric, it may just be a little help from somebody more knowledgeable and/or your persistence in looking. It may be available through the app that crashed or a command or in sysnaptic not sure there really
[05:17] <urlin2u> synaptic
[05:18] <urlin2u> this link has a link at the top that may be it. http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/man4/radeon.4.html
[05:19] <bullgard4_> jbicha: Thank you for your help yesterday about "Launch a restricted guest session".
[05:22] <Smedles> urlin2u: thanks for tips - will try changing display driver
[05:41] <vooze> hey, i'm playing around with 11.10 daily (from yestoday) in virtualbox, but i can only run unity2d by default.. And the "new drivers" GFX does not appear.. how can i install it though terminal? Its an nvidia geforce GTS250M (1GB) card.. ? :)
[05:47] <vooze> just running 11.10 daily in virtualbox, cant wait for beta1 or 2! ;)
[05:53] <oem> i recently switched distro's but had ubuntu 11.10 alpha 2 installed i used the same login thats found in 11.04 and am curious to know if the update manager could have updated the login that caused it to crash well anyways i will wait for a working copy of 11.10 now btw gnome3 is awesome if for no other reason it just fills right for me
[05:53] <oem> ^feels lol
[06:11] <vooze> How do i switch to unity3d? I think i still use unity2d in virtualbox after installin guest additions and rebooting virtualbox
[06:12] <urlin2u> vooze, 2d will only work in vbox in a install you choose the option at the login
[06:13] <urlin2u> regular install
[06:13] <vooze> ah okay :/ sad
[06:13] <vooze> but thanks
[06:18] <vooze> I should still use compiz manager in 11.10 right? To modify launcher etc.
[06:47] <urlin2u> vooze, you can but know what your doing.
[07:02] <SmedlesTP> hi all
[07:03] <SmedlesTP> uggh I tried to change video driver from vesa to ati and now the system hangs on startup after a message about  "the default security mechanism will be upgraded"
[07:03] <SmedlesTP> something relating to ntlm
[07:03] <SmedlesTP> I'm assuming this hang is related to trying to change display driver
[07:04] <SmedlesTP> I tried editing /etx/X11/xorg.conf to show Driver "vesa" but it still doesn't work
[07:38] <Mirv> the alt key problem I described yesterday was now found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/834684
[07:38] <Mirv> not much testing done I guess
[07:43] <jbicha> of course Ubuntu is still alpha...
[07:59] <Ian_Corne> Mirv: i've turned it off in ccsm
[07:59] <Ian_Corne> :p
[08:00] <SmedlesTP> ugghh Xorg.0.log shows "vesa: Ignoring device with a bound kerel driver'
[08:01] <SmedlesTP> so I guess I have to figure out how to stop the proprietary ati kernel driver loading
[08:05] <SmedlesTP> yay fixed (i think)
[08:06] <SmedlesTP> but still no 3d support :(
[10:03] <Lynoure> On oneiric, on kubuntu I can no longer find the place where one sets the default ogg quality
[10:04] <Lynoure> it used to be under Multimedia, but I cannot see it there. Where can I set it now?
[10:13] <zhiwei> hello,everyone. How to disable pptp vpn password autosave in ubuntu 11.10?
[10:39] <zhiwei> I found the solution,change password-flags=2 .
[11:43] <nocturn> Hi
[11:44] <nocturn> How can I uninstall :386 packages on amd64 multiarch
[11:44] <nocturn> the package name looks like virtualgl:386
[11:45] <jtaylor> i386 not 386
[11:45] <nocturn> but dpkg -r virtualgl:386 or virtualgl says there's no installed package matching...
[11:45] <nocturn> jtaylor: this is the new multiarch functionality
[11:45] <nocturn> ok, I see
[11:45] <nocturn> jtaylor: Thanks!!!
[11:48] <heslam> hey guys. is there a bug already submitted for the "Theme to be used for the UI" text in the Appearance section in System Settings?
[11:49] <heslam> i am happy to make one if not, but i'm having trouble double checking
[11:53] <jtaylor> whats the bug?
[11:53] <jtaylor> UI -> User Interface?
[12:20] <step2> Is it possible to disable that the dash tint always tries to look a colour similar to the background? Always looks weird, I'd rather have it black/grey-transparent as before
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:01] <jtaylor> hm I seem to have lost sound since
[13:01] <jtaylor> was working yesterday
[13:03] <jtaylor> ok weird mplayer and vlc don't work, but the falshplayer does have sound
[13:05] <sagaci> still ok for me :/
[13:28] <Volkodav> anybody installed on on Macbook 7.1 ?
[14:05] <kyubutsu> any changes to unity2d at all? have only seen unity3d news
[14:16] <carli2> i have a question to oneiric: how can i set up multiple desktops?
[14:17] <carli2> and how can i start a program like with alt+f2?
[14:19] <carli2> from where can i get a working gnome2 environment?
[14:21] <Ian_Corne> you cannot
[14:21] <carli2> where is the setup for my virtual desktops?
[14:21] <carli2> i cannot edit my panel
[14:21] <Ian_Corne> that is correct
[14:22] <Ian_Corne> type in display in the dash lens
[14:23] <carli2> where can i set up the window properties?
[14:26] <carli2> a lot of gtk components also dont work any more
[14:39] <carli2> hi
[14:39] <carli2> where can i access the window properties?
[14:41] <Onlyodin> which window properties are you looking for?
[14:42] <carli2> the one where i can move the windows with kmod4 and auto-focus windows on hover
[15:00] <Onlyodin> Yeah, good question. No idea.
[15:06] <carli2> and how can i move elements on the gnome-panel?
[15:06] <Ian_Corne> you cannot
[15:06] <carli2> i'm using the fallback mode because other modes dont work properly
[15:06] <Ian_Corne> fallback is unity2d
[15:06] <Ian_Corne> which is also unity
[15:06] <Ian_Corne> and not gnome-panel
[15:07] <Ian_Corne> are you on 11.10?
[15:08] <carli2> i'm on 11.10
[15:08] <Ian_Corne> then fallback is unity2d
[15:09] <carli2> i installed teh package gnome-fallback
[15:10] <Ian_Corne> N: Unable to locate package gnome-fallback
[15:10] <Ian_Corne> E: No packages found
[15:10] <Ian_Corne> you did?
[15:11] <Ian_Corne> !info gnome-fallback
[15:14] <step2> you mean gnome classic? at least on my syste some weird gnome-classic session still exists but it looks quite weird, as is to be expected if it is also deprecated by gnome themselves in favour of g-shell
[15:29] <carli2> ah, and the scrollbars dont refresh the window content when i move them
[15:29] <carli2> but that's buggy since 11.04
[15:40] <carli2> and when i switch the app with alt+tab, the cursor in the terminal is not highlighted even with focus
[16:04] <carli2> ehm
[16:04] <carli2> didnt you know enet 1.2 and enet 1.3 are incompatible from their function signatures?
[16:05] <carli2> why is it then overwritten?
[16:05] <carli2> i need the old enet;
[16:05] <carli2> this will also break sauerbraten and other network based games
[16:05] <Ian_Corne> I don't, what, how? What are you talking about?
[16:06] <carli2> libenet-dev
[16:06] <carli2> upgraded to version 1.3
[16:06] <carli2> but 1.2 and 1.3 are incompatible
[16:06] <Ian_Corne> ok
[16:06] <carli2> this breaks a bunch of games
[16:07] <carli2> and i have to build enet-1.2 from source and distribute binaries
[16:08] <carli2> and building enet from source means downloading codeblocks :strangle:
[16:13] <carli2> the correct package libenet0debian1 was removed since (dunno)
[16:18] <carli2> who is reliable for up- and downgrading libs and packaging all these things?
[16:20] <carli2> please bring this package back
[16:20] <carli2> http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/lucid/libenet0debian1
[16:21] <carli2> and the software center is not able to install downloaded .deb files
[16:24] <jbicha> carli2: that's not true, software center can install .deb's but the dependencies have to be available
[16:24] <jbicha> and you can't install things that conflict with each other
[16:25] <carli2> they were. but it did not install
[16:25] <carli2> i installed with dpkg -i and it worked
[16:25] <carli2> and i got no feedback what went wrong in the software center
[16:26] <carli2> please bring that lib back: http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/lucid/libenet0debian1
[16:26] <carli2> otherwise sauerbraten and a few other games are broken
[16:29] <jtaylor> games in the ubuntu repository?
[16:29] <Ian_Corne> i doubt it
[16:30] <carli2> from enet 1.2 to enet 1.3 they changed the order of the struct content and the function signatures
[16:30] <carli2> in some cases, it crashes; in other cases i get data garbage
[16:30] <carli2> ubuntu should have named them different
[16:31] <Ian_Corne> ..
[16:31] <jtaylor> it appears they did
[16:32] <jtaylor> different version library packages are mostly coinstallable
[16:32] <carli2> libenet0debian1 was removed from the sources; libenet-dev points to the newer version
[16:32] <jtaylor> just install the version that works, and get upstreams to change to the newest one
[16:32] <carli2> i had to manually download the older version from a lucid repos
[16:33] <carli2> getting to the newest one requires to change my code _and_ i dont have enet 1.3 dll for windows; and i dont have a windows system to offer any more support for my game
[16:33] <Ian_Corne> so you want ubuntu to stay on the old version, because you can't update to the new?
[16:33] <carli2> the problem is that LTS's libenet-dev points to the older version
[16:34] <carli2> ubuntu should name them different and keep both versions in the sources
[16:34] <jtaylor> ubuntu only supports its repository
[16:34] <jtaylor> if your program where packages the old version would not be removed from users systems
[16:34] <carli2> you cannot simply replace a kernel 1.2 by 3.0 without changing any driver code (if you know what i want to point out with that)
[16:35] <jtaylor> there was not program in the archive which required the old version, so it was removed
[16:36] <carli2> :S
[16:37] <carli2> well that causes me to extend the readme for my game;
[16:37] <carli2> and no one reads the readme
[16:37] <carli2> that makes it more and more complicated
[16:38] <jtaylor> the best solution is to get your game packaged and added to the archive
[16:38] <jtaylor> then library transitions will take it into account
[16:38] <carli2> okay.
[16:38] <carli2> libNewton could be packaged first.
[16:39] <Ian_Corne> you could also set up a ppa
[16:39] <Ian_Corne> for the older library
[16:39] <Ian_Corne> It's not that easy to get into the main archive, or so I've heard
[16:41] <carli2> that requires a lot of work... packaging, cross compiling, ...
[16:41] <carli2> but i will try
[16:41] <yofel> well, would need some packaging changes, but would be doable I guess. We don't maintain enet in ubuntu though, it's just synced from debian
[16:41] <yofel> why cross compiling?
[16:42] <carli2> i386, amd64, arm
[16:42] <carli2> but for arm i only plan android and pandora; dunno if arm desktop will come
[16:42] <yofel> ah, no arm support in the PPAs, but the other 2 will be built
[16:43] <carli2> i'm using newton game dynamics. should i put it into an extra package?
[16:43] <jtaylor> yes
[16:44] <jtaylor> if you attempt to get it into the archive it is preferable to add it to debian
[16:44] <carli2> okay
[16:44] <Ian_Corne> carli2: is your game free or payed?
[16:44] <Ian_Corne> just wondering :)
[16:44] <jtaylor> for that it must fullfil the debian free softawre guidlines
[16:45] <carli2> i dont know if i will keep it as a hobby or earn money with it.
[16:45] <Ian_Corne> for android, you could probably easely make a paid and an add version? :)
[16:45] <carli2> and if i earn money with it, i have to decide between gaming fees or buying.
[16:46] <carli2> the game itself is open source under an ISC-like license
[16:46] <carli2> but the source is not released yet because we're developing (http://goldenwipf.de)
[16:47] <jtaylor> the source has to be available for it to go into the regular archives
[16:48] <carli2> the source of newton is available. i will see if i maintain the dependencies at first.
[16:49] <carli2> an other problem in oneric: i dont see the cursor where i write; and pressing left does not move the invisible cursor
[16:49] <carli2> its only in the pidgin write window
[16:49] <carli2> and only for some tabs
[16:50] <carli2> same problem with lazarus, also hidden cursor on some tabs
[16:50] <Ian_Corne> I do see my cursor in pidgin
[16:51] <carli2> i see it in every tab except the #ubuntu+1
[17:04] <carli2> are there some scripts to build random libraries into a .deb package?
[17:05] <carli2> similar to makekpkg, but for libs
[17:05] <carli2> how is a lib like gtk packaged?
[17:07] <jtaylor> library packaging is complicated
[17:07] <jtaylor> here is some info: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html
[17:08] <jtaylor> but some of it is outdated
[17:08] <jtaylor> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html
[18:21] <hdpb> I lost Unity3D following update on 8/25. 2D is fine. What should I check to find reasons?
[18:33] <anadon> system doesn't like some important repoitories, such as security:   http://pastebin.com/K9UEsnxJ
[21:31] <jtaylor> how can mplayer and vlc have nosound, but flashplugin does
[21:31] <jtaylor> usually its flash that makes me problems not the program that works best on my desktop ._.
[21:32] <jtaylor> any hints on fixing it, worked yesterday both players give no error message, pulseaudio seems running
[21:34] <Ian_Corne> lol
[21:34] <Ian_Corne> sorry, don't know, but lol at the situation :)
[22:00] <notlistening> I just ran an upgrade from 11.04 and chose not to migrate the window manage from gdm is that going to cause me a headache?
[22:10] <jtaylor> it might, gdm will probably not be supported by canonical anymore
[22:16] <notlistening> is there a way to force the move after the system installs?
[22:24]  * penguin42 should do that as well - I suspect removing gdm and installing lightdm might do it
[22:25] <Ian_Corne> dpkg --reconfigure might also work
[22:25] <Ian_Corne> to get the same popup
[22:28] <penguin42> well, apt-get remove gdm wasn't too happy, but it did then ask me what to use and let me choose lightdm - I guess I'll find out if it worked next time I boot!
[22:29] <jtaylor> reconfigure should do it
[22:30] <jtaylor> dpkg-reconfigure that is
[22:31] <Ian_Corne> yeh it's dpkg --configure and dpkg-reconfigure
[22:31] <Ian_Corne> always get the two mixed up :)
[22:31] <jtaylor> If I recall correctly from when I changed to kdm it should then ask you which one you want from the installed ones
[22:32] <Ian_Corne> it does
[22:39]  * penguin42 might do the same on his other box; I've go ta problem with gdm where it occasionally leaves it's metacity running in my KDE session
[22:39] <penguin42> (which feels like a nasty security bug, but that wasn't agreed with when I reported it, hohum)
[22:40] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[22:47] <notlistening> what package do i have to reconfigure
[22:47] <notlistening> and keeping gdm just killed the upgrade spectacularly
[22:47] <jtaylor> gdm or lightdm
[22:47] <jtaylor> shouldn't matter
[22:48] <notlistening> okay it failed
[22:55] <notlistening> Is there a way to get it run install again?
[22:56] <notlistening> like installing from a CD but from the running system like an upgrade
[22:57] <jtaylor> what is failing?
[23:00] <Ian_Corne> sudo apt-get install -f should continue the install
[23:00] <notlistening> it did
[23:01] <notlistening> I just get a blank screen when restarting how after the splash screen
[23:02] <notlistening> hastens to add i was getting this on 11.04 aswell I can get any output and the video is configured as much as i can tell
[23:02] <notlistening> it is the open-chrome video driver
[23:02] <notlistening> worked on < 10.10
[23:04] <notlistening> I can hear the distored login sound
[23:13] <zhiwei> I can't use banshee to listen music,when I start up banshee, exception info:Exception in Gtk# callback delegate
[23:14] <zhiwei>   Note: Applications can use GLib.ExceptionManager.UnhandledException to handle the exception.
[23:19] <penguin42> file a bug - is that the only message?
[23:21] <zhiwei> penguin42: no,there are many lines of error message.
[23:25] <penguin42> zhiwei: Can you put them in a paste bin?
[23:25] <zhiwei> ok
[23:47] <jtaylor> ok I'm confused, after opening a file with vlc and my pc freezing + reboot sound is working again ...
[23:47] <jtaylor> but its not the first reboot since I have the problem so that did not solve the isse
[23:48] <jtaylor> the crrash seem to have done it xD
[23:48] <Ian_Corne> jtaylor: i had that too, vlc crashed my session
[23:48] <Ian_Corne> it was not good.
[23:48] <jtaylor> ok no
[23:48] <jtaylor> its not fixes
[23:49] <jtaylor> worked in banshee, started mplayer, sound gone, gone in banshee too ..
[23:49] <jtaylor> mplayer probably breaks it ._.
[23:50] <penguin42> jtaylor: If you do a pactl exit  does it then work?
[23:52] <jtaylor> Connection failure: Connection terminated
[23:52] <jtaylor> does not fix it
[23:52] <yofel> hm, I can use smplayer fine here, so I doubt that's the problem
[23:53]  * penguin42 has had some hard to define problems lately where it has taken a pa restart
[23:57] <penguin42> hmm, bug or feature? comments addressed to me in pidgin seemed to have stopped getting notify-osd'd