[17:37] <Pendulum> just as an FYI, I'm in Irene's path and while it should be down to tropical storm when it hits us, we may still lose power or internet. So tomorrow/Monday I'm probably best reachable for anything important by e-mail
[22:05]  * phillw just as general question... for accessbility can alternate iso's work, or do they not have the requirements for accessibility?
[22:07] <phillw> Pendulum: keep safe!
[22:10] <charlie-tca> phillw: Accessible installs with orca have never worked for alternate images
[22:11] <charlie-tca> however, there are some options in F4 or F5 for high contrast and magnifier that should work
[22:11] <phillw> thanks charlie-tca... well it was worth an ask :)
[22:11] <charlie-tca> no problem
[22:12] <charlie-tca> IIRC, debian-installer doesn't have sound, which is a problem with orca
[22:12] <phillw> charlie-tca: "Thanks to some recent work by Colin Watson on this, specifically for Lubuntu, we now have automatically created daily Lubuntu Alternate CD images." It may not be beyond the realms of impossibility to ask him?
[22:13] <charlie-tca> You will have the same options the rest of us have. Colin doesn't activate the accessibility stuff, he just does installers
[22:14] <charlie-tca> TheMuso and dtchen probably would be the ones, but I think getting the desktop images accessible is a priority right now
[22:14] <phillw> okay, so accessibility on install is still basically a no-go if you have a machine that cannot run Ubiquity?
[22:14] <charlie-tca> yes
[22:14] <charlie-tca> as far as a talking installation, at least
[22:15] <charlie-tca> The magnification and high contrast are also accessibility
[22:15] <phillw> okies... I'll add it to my to my "quietly ask" list of things :P
[22:16] <phillw> well, they are at least worth a mention. I'll have a play with therm on VM after the bank-holiday
[22:17] <phillw> I'm on a 3G device, so cannot afford the data allowance to start grabbing iso's :)
[22:19] <phillw> At least when they get Ubiquity talking happily it should be included on the Lubuntu iso's as we now use the official build system.
[22:22] <charlie-tca> correct
[22:34] <charlie-tca> Accessible install - orca failed to start
[22:36] <charlie-tca> I can try again tomorrow, but as of today, accessible installs fail 100%
[23:04] <phillw> charlie-tca: there is a jockey bug that is affecting all ubuntu's and also causes ubiquity to die. Pitti is on the case of that and I understand a fix is imminent. for the alternate iso's I have not had a chance to test as I am at the see-side house of my parents for a break :)
[23:06] <charlie-tca> yes, but that should be be blocking orca
[23:07] <charlie-tca> Nor does it stop installs unless you check "install third party software"
[23:07] <charlie-tca> I have been installing all day, so the jockey bug doesn't stop installs