[00:10] Still learning myself :( [00:18] * penguin42 tries to debug virtManager [00:28] :) [00:28] Another late person on the go then [00:29] * penguin42 should go to bed actually.... [00:41] hi === hamitron_ is now known as hamitron [06:28] \o [08:55] morning all [09:07] hi AlanBell [09:10] Morning [09:12] * daubers upgrade to 11.10 for funsies [09:12] * MartijnVdS is going to try to replace the radio in his car today [09:12] never done that before... :) [09:14] MartijnVdS: Easy peasy [09:15] daubers: I can't see any way to get the radio out though [09:18] MartijnVdS: The radio should have 2 pieces of metal which are tools to insert/remove the radio [09:18] yes [09:18] I have those [09:19] they slide in the side of the radio to remove it, one either side. You might have a fascia you need to remove [09:21] Yeah I don't expect too much trouble [09:22] I even have a special cable that can switch power leads (in case they're the wrong way around and the radio forgets its settings every time it's turned on) [09:30] morning all [09:33] \o diplodude [09:36] good morning everyone. [09:36] \o brobostigon [09:36] o/ MartijnVdS [09:36] This hurts :) http://t.co/IrR335L [09:48] One of my drives failing that im trying to copy off :( [09:48] daubers: use ddrescue [09:49] it'll make a 1:1 image, retrying sectors if they fail [09:49] diplo:, sorry [09:49] thoughts if i resize the ntfs partition on this drive [09:49] * diplo looks into now [09:49] cheers [09:50] it might not rescue everything, but it'll rescue as much as it can [10:00] Tired, didn't get till 5am :/ [10:00] to bed till* [10:01] sounds like you need an afternoon nap [10:01] during F1 qualifying maybe? :) [10:01] heh, never been able to sleep during the day :/ [10:01] F1 = perfect afternoon naps [10:01] oh yes, forgot that was! [10:02] Spa this weekend === dwatkins is now known as glymph [10:07] Suppose I really ought to get tidying the house so i can sit down and watch it === glymph is now known as dwatkins [10:57] Well, oneiric seems to work [10:59] * daubers expected moar breakage [11:22] someone pop over to maplin and pick me up a push to make switch. Ta [11:25] :) [11:25] For you touchpad owners, http://androidcommunity.com/hp-touchpad-android-2-2-1-system-dump-files-now-available-20110825/ if you haven't seen it [11:26] diplo: boo. [11:26] heh I know you like webos :) [11:26] diplo: the touchdroid project is a crap premise masterminded by teenagers who struggle with basic concepts [11:27] e.g. i wonder if any of them noticed that the touchpad's kernel source is an android tree - i.e. a touchpad android kernel is a recompile away [11:27] I'd like to have a play with a touch pad [11:27] oh, I hadn't read that much yet [11:27] Lost interest i guess after i couldn't get one [11:27] :/ [11:36] let's take an example - the forum where the first system dump was taken? their contains-non-free-components image dump is marked with "THIS IMAGE IS MY INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY AND CANNOT BE UPLOADED TO ANY SITE EXCEPT THIS ONE" [11:36] thse aren't sophisticated people [11:42] :D [11:49] directhex: Sounds like a young steve jobs [11:57] hello [11:58] can anyone help me? i installed linux mint on my second drive but it failed at the bootloader [11:59] seeing as the second drive has mint installed how do i get vmlinuz-2.6.38-8-generic into my boot partition? [12:48] !mint [12:48] Linux Mint is not a supported derivative of Ubuntu. Please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org [14:27] Afternoon kids [14:28] afternoonings bigcalm [14:29] \o [14:34] hiya bigcalm [14:37] Hey hey :) [14:42] maplins is still full of fail :( [14:50] Web browsers and eclipse (and others possibly) are very laggy to scroll. How might I improve this? Already have the nvidia driver installed, though the system says that it isn't in use... [14:54] Using xinerama over 3 monitors as twinview doesn't do what I need [14:55] haha, so your a xinerama kill performance no compiz person then :P [14:55] Unless somebody here is good with setting up xorg for 3 monitors over 2 graphics cards [14:55] *wave* [14:56] TwinView doesn't scale over graphics cards [14:56] it's in the name, twin, ie only 2 :( [14:56] Aha, let me pastebin my xorg [14:56] bigcalm: you've got 2 choices really, A) you stick with xinerama with bad performance / no compiz [14:57] http://paste.ubuntu.com/675980/ [14:57] B) You use separate X screens, you get performance, but you get loads of bugs and you can't drag windows between your first 2 monitors, and your third [14:57] Lets see if we can get option B working [14:58] I use 2x twinview split down the middle :) [14:58] ok, pretty simple then [14:58] Note that I have my 2nd screen rotated 90 deg [14:58] just go into nvidia-settings and set it up in there is the easiest [14:58] put your first cards monitors on twinview [14:58] and make your second cards monitor a Separate X Screen [14:59] Can you rotate the 2nd screen in twinview? [14:59] not sure [15:02] Here goes :) [15:03] This is messed up :/ [15:04] Also: [15:04] Could not get screen information [15:04] RandR extension is not present [15:04] RandR not present? nvidia? [15:05] Yes [15:22] Azelphur: now running 3 seperate X screens [15:23] Just to have things run quickly _and_ have my centra monitor rotated to the left [15:23] :) [15:23] Does mean that I can't move windows between screens at all [15:23] Never mind :) [15:24] I have to be careful where I load a program now [15:26] Not very ideal this sadly [15:31] Would be good to be able to copy all of my panel shortcuts from screen 1 to 2 and 3 [15:36] Oh bugger [15:36] Now I have 6 virtual desktops for each screen [15:36] This is going to be crazy === bigcalm[revo] is now known as bigcalm === bigcalm is now known as bigcalm[revo] [16:03] new Dr who. bbc1 19:10. [16:38] ali1234: wow, they actually closed the bug just because it "no longer does it in oneiric" when the bug was originally for natty... [16:39] that's right [16:39] a bug has to be fix released before it can be sru's [16:49] ali1234: SRU'd? [16:49] brobostigon: I is looking forward to 19:10 too :) [16:51] :) [16:59] ah, SRU stands for Stable Release Updates [17:01] hmm, I think others should confirm this bug cos at the moment I'm sure the dev's think that only 2 people are having issues with this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/826059 [17:01] Ubuntu bug 826059 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity gets stuck in 'expose' mode when you drag an icon over a launcher icon and hold it there" [Low,Fix released] [17:03] Make sure to save all work first, and be ready to open up a terminal to do "unity --replace" [17:05] [Paul Mellors] It was 20 years ago today.... - http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/08/it-was-20-years-ago-today.html [17:05] [Paul Mellors] cronlog - Debian Squeeze - http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/08/cronlog-debian-squeeze.html [17:07] Doctor Who in an hour \o/ [17:10] Ubuntu 11.04 amd64 - The wired network is unmanaged when I click on nm-applet. How can I fix this? I can use the wired network and can use the internet but nm-applet doesn't manage my iface [17:10] kvarley: It only works if you plug in a cable [17:10] and it detects link [17:11] MartijnVdS: It's a software issue. Not hardware. [17:11] kvarley: is the cable connected? [17:11] MartijnVdS: I have a cable plugged in, that's how I'm talking to you right now. [17:11] MartijnVdS: It's something I've had happen with Ubuntu before too but can't remember how I fixed it [17:12] kvarley: is the interface in /etc/network/interfaces? IF it is, network-manager will ignore it [17:12] MartijnVdS: Ah yes, that's it [17:12] MartijnVdS: It [17:12] MartijnVdS: is in there for some reason [17:42] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adk1ujjmguo [17:51] lo [17:56] \o daubers [18:13] bbc1, now [18:18] \o/ [18:19] brobostigon: DOCTOR WHOZ! \o/ [18:19] yes, :) [18:19] o/ [18:20] * hamitron will be watching the previous episodes from the series first, to recap what happened [18:20] hamitron: I did that last night ;D [18:21] I'm still downloading them [18:21] :/ [18:21] 3 days left [18:21] :) [18:21] ;o [18:21] so should be up-to-date by next weekend [18:58] Doctor Who was GOOD :) [19:01] o.O [19:01] MartijnVdS: all I can think of is "what the... I don't even!" [19:01] shush [19:01] ;/ [19:05] anyone else thinking they need to rewatch that episode?? [19:06] that was an interesting ep. [19:09] fantastic taste in cars tho :) [19:12] HazRPG: you'd think your sister would have learned not to do that the second or third time [19:13] anyway bug is now nominated. i'm looking for the exact patch that fixed it [19:14] ali1234: That's just it though, users don't realise that bugs can exist in software... they just think it "randomly crashed". [19:14] hence "second or third time" [19:15] "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." [19:15] she probably would have done it more times until I said to her "stop doing it... clearly its broken and needs fixed by the people who made it" [19:16] gord: when i see "dnd" in unity changelog, that refers to drag and drop? [19:17] ali1234, it does [19:17] any idea what patch fixed bug 826059? [19:17] Launchpad bug 826059 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity gets stuck in 'expose' mode when you drag an icon over a launcher icon and hold it there" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/826059 [19:17] not dungeons and dragons [19:18] gord: could mean "Do Not Disturb" :P [19:18] could mean just about anything given you also have "bfb" and "bamf" as acronyms? [19:18] what do they stand for btw? [19:19] i know bamf has something to do with focussing? [19:19] bfb = best friends button? [19:19] big friendly button [19:19] not sure what patch would of fixed that, i don't really work with the launcher much [19:20] bamf is the bamf application matching framework [19:21] ok, thanks [19:22] how do i do a bisect with bzr? [19:22] i think there might be a plugin in the repos to do that [19:22] there are a whole lot of them under the namespace bzr- [19:22] http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/plugins/en/bisect-plugin.html [19:23] why isn't that built in? it is a pretty important feature [19:23] oh well [19:23] good question :) [19:28] I just started using github for my project, \o/ https://github.com/Azelphur/SourceIRC [19:30] gord: how do i test a unity build from bzr checkout? can i just unity --replace from the build tree without installing it? [19:32] ali1234, nope, its a compiz plugin so you have to install it then compiz --replace ; you can do cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/somewhere/ to define a local install prefix. once you are done testing you can rm ~/.compiz-1/plugins to use system installed unity again [19:32] unless you are testing the dash, i built a standalone version of the dash a long time ago so i don't have to do that :) [19:32] no, i;m testing the launcher dnd :) [19:34] so DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=~/.compiz-1/plugins? [19:34] i am confused [19:36] can i just build a deb from bzr? [19:38] ali1234: If it's got a debian subdir then try dpkg-buildpackage in there [19:38] http://askubuntu.com/questions/28470/how-do-i-build-unity-from-source/28472#28472 [19:39] (Generic deb answer rather than unity) [19:39] yeah it doesn't have one [19:39] the HACKING file in the source explains it too [19:50] MartijnVdS: :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-player-info/+bug/835568 [19:50] Ubuntu bug 835568 in media-player-info (Ubuntu) "Creative ZEN Style 300 is not being recognised" [Undecided,New] [19:50] wooo [19:50] :-) [19:51] I needed to wait for a time I could get on the actual machine to be able to do "ubuntu-bug media-player-info" :) [19:52] "Hey $sister_name, do you want that bug fixed or not?" ;-) [19:53] so you got it to work? [19:53] why you can't ssh in and submit bug? [19:57] i tried to boot ubuntu on an e-machines dual athon system with nvidia 9x00 graphics should i get unity by default as i don't i just get gnome or do I need to choose unity somewhere [19:58] you need to install the nvidia driver [19:58] ok [19:58] then reboot [19:58] so i will get that when i install it [19:58] unity is already installed [19:58] it just doesn't work on nouveau [19:58] ok [19:59] i am installing from 2gb usb stick and it ran out of space when trying to downloading the extra repository data to it, so it could find the nvidia drivers [19:59] I am probably doing something wrong, i should be able to test all this from a live session right [20:00] i hear that unity does work on nouveau actually [20:00] haven't tried myself, and i would depend on how well nouveau supports your particular gpu [20:01] depends if you've run out of space, which i doubt on a 2GB drive [20:01] ok [20:02] i have also tried to install from the live cd and it crashed during install (creating ext4 file system) so I am trying a newer iso image to copy to the disk [20:02] ok, the version of unity in natty won't work on nouveau, because it is blacklisted [20:02] at least the version in the installation CD [20:02] ok [20:03] all you have to do is do a normal install [20:03] then reboot [20:03] then jockey will install nvidia driver for you [20:03] then reboot again [20:03] then you will have unity [20:03] ok i will try and do the install without it crashing [20:03] as the system came with linpus I can't even figure out how to install new software on it [20:03] i've had the natty installer hang on partitioning [20:03] i don't know why it happens [20:04] ok [20:05] evening all [20:05] hi [20:06] as i said going to try a different newly downloaded iso image the orignal one i had was just after 11.04 came out so i am guessing it gets updated or fixed if there are issues [20:06] aa1? [20:06] jacobw, ? [20:06] acer aspire one [20:06] oh [20:07] linpus sucks [20:07] jacobw, yeah i know but I don't want to wipe it, until i have a working alternative [20:07] jacobw, http://www.ebuyer.com/267867-emachine-er1401-desktop-pt-nbzec-004 [20:07] Linpus == Linux for Bagpus? [20:08] according to ubuntu this is certified to work [20:08] well, if you install natty then you can always run 'ubuntu classic' i.e. gnome2 without 3d acceleration [20:08] MartijnVdS: nope I didn't... not a clue how to, looked into the repo and seems that all they do is add the mpi into a folder... I'm guessing media-player-info needs to be recompiled with the mpi file in the directory [20:08] ball: could well be :P no upgrade path from whichever fedora release merged -core and -extras [20:08] ball, more like Linux distro to put people off and install any available version of windows [20:09] ali1234: I can ssh in, didn't think it would work that way since a browser is normally opened up... [20:09] if display is unset it just prints the url for you to copy/paste [20:10] which is also handy when you report bugs on a netbook and dont want to fill out the form on a tiny screen and keyboard [20:10] which is something i do often since i test +1 on my netbooks [20:10] What is a +1? [20:11] back later [20:11] ball: ubuntu+1 [20:11] * ball will have to look that up. [20:11] ball: it just means the next version of ubuntu... [20:11] Oh. [20:12] ali1234: sweet, didn't realise it could do that [20:12] make life easier in future [20:13] yeah, ubuntu+1 usually has a lot of bugs until near release, and filling bug forms on a netbook is not nice [20:14] launchpad and apport are really good [20:14] best bug reporting system i have ever used [20:14] and i have used quite a few [20:15] specifically why i like it is because apport makes it easier to submit good reports [20:15] where as the approach the others take is to make it harder to submit bad reports [20:16] Evening all [20:16] evening diplo [20:17] evening [20:18] Changing the port that ssh runs on is as simple as ssh_config unhash line port and change from 22 to watever i want and restart ssh ? [20:19] diplo: yes, but do it carefully unless you have physical access [20:19] Well i've done it and restarted ssh [20:19] think about the path back to your machine on that port.. [20:19] and can still get on via 22 [20:19] Local atm [20:20] have you logged out before trying again? [20:22] yep [20:22] wouldn't make difference on local, would have to have logged out of ssh on remote before restarting server [20:22] Sorry meant local to machine not on the local machine, should have made myself clearer [20:23] who displays just my one session on [20:26] Suppose instead of doing this i could just turn off password login and use 22 [20:26] for public key auth? [20:30] Sorry [20:30] Yeah [20:33] Seems to be not reading the config [20:35] tomorrows job i think now [20:40] http://pthree.org/2007/02/10/ssh-key-authentication/ [20:40] diplo: you were editing /etc/ssh/sshd_config right? [20:40] the d is important [20:42] yep [20:42] Sorry went to the loo, yeah can do key auth fine [20:42] Just any changes not seeming to get read [20:42] ok [20:43] yeah, sshD.. [20:43] lol, I know i shouldn't do stuff when im so tired [20:44] I'm glad i rechecked AlanBell [20:44] was ssh_config and not sshd :/ [20:44] * diplo wont change anything else till tomorrow [20:44] * AlanBell has had several glasses of wine and a beer [20:45] just about ready to do some unity hacking [20:45] ffs, noscript on youtube means an advert prefaces every video [20:45] sounds about right for poking unity :P [20:45] judging by the rest of the code and design decisions I might need a refil [20:45] * hamitron makes note Unity is coded by drunks [20:46] ;) [20:47] well we know from bug 764905 that it has been tested by drunks [20:47] Launchpad bug 764905 in unity "Drag and drop a USB key into the trash should eject the USB key" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764905 [20:47] LOL [20:51] Did you guys hear about the £1million bounty on col. gadaffi's head? [20:51] most expensive chocolate bar since 2008, when the economy was given a £750 million boost. [20:51] that must be one hell of a chocolate bar [20:51] how much just for the hair? [20:52] beaten to the punchline [20:52] ha [20:54] Dr Who was rather good this evening I thought [20:55] * daubers hasn't seen it yet [20:56] I think we're about three episodes into the 11th doctor, so no spoilers please! ;-) [20:56] Hello all. A usual question, how do I change the login screen? no the splash: the image in background when selecting user login. [20:57] well seeing as spoilers could collapse the space time continum and end the universe as we know it I will refrane [20:59] andres-kain: http://maketecheasier.com/change-login-and-boot-screen-in-ubuntu-lucid/2010/05/13 [20:59] has it changed with gdm3? [21:00] we are using lightdm in oneiric [21:00] and yeah, it would change [21:00] however the login window is looking pretty cool right now [21:00] http://ubuntucorner.blogspot.com/2011/02/changing-gdm3-theme-wallpaper.html [21:01] yeah, it looks good. [21:01] Thank you! will have a look. Should be the same for xubuntu right? [21:01] yes [21:02] Thank you! === dominic_ is now known as domjohnson [22:41] I want to build a craft [22:43] what kind? [22:44] To get off this planet [22:46] bit boring, wanna try something new [22:48] Currently, looking up flashing my sony elm instead [22:49] didn't realise sony had a tree named after them :/ [22:50] You know the japs [22:50] Put a cpu in anything [22:51] aye :D [22:52] I managed to flash another sony phone, hope I can do this one. But its got this irc client on it. So spend too much time here instead. [22:52] Thumb ache client lol [22:52] I gave up phones [22:52] just lost interest [22:52] :/ [22:53] Not take many calls hee hee. But very useful for sofa irc [22:54] With free data im set free [22:54] guess so [22:54] Still wish to unlock my android. Linux plus phone is perfect [22:55] Thats sony too. They make it very difficult [22:55] if I actually get around to it, I'll probably look closely at the selection of wp7 [22:56] Then it midnight discovery channel distracts me til dawn with myth busters. Im doomed lol [22:56] haha [22:57] I got no tv [22:57] turned analogue tv off [22:57] :/ [22:57] Nor do i.. So the licence doll think [22:59] Am starting to get very interested im solar power but they so expensive :-( I can run my whole house on 600 watts since I dont run much [23:00] Fridge is 450 watts alone. Rest is computer which is 140 [23:00] Am babbling too [23:00] 450W? :| [23:00] didn't realise they used that much tbh [23:01] Earthling: I asusme the fridge doesn't take that all teh time? [23:01] * hamitron would hope not [23:02] On. Standby its very low but they need lots to keep temp stable [23:02] is this an old device? [23:02] Prob more like 50 on standby [23:03] About 4 years [23:03] you obviously drink far too much beer that needs chilling ;) [23:04] Would still need grid for hoover and oven though. Unless I can store power at high output [23:04] Lol beer :-) [23:06] awww this discussion pushes me to browse through tumbleweed house blogs again... [23:06] Saw very cute little box in linux mag today. 5watts for full computer power. Cant remember its name. [23:07] Atleast in chatting old man lol [23:07] I used to have a channel called tumbleweed lol [23:08] Myrrti whats on your mind [23:09] Apart from being a troll lol [23:11] sewing machines, linux admin jobs, nailpolish, mum and fish, not in that order [23:11] mum and fish? [23:12] I like fish [23:12] would kill for some suchi tonight [23:13] A stigma [23:13] Scottish fish is wonderful [23:14] As is the weather lol [23:15] Wait. Mail polish? Lol someone wants a cheap buzz! [23:15] Nail [23:15] or not [23:16] * ball is confused. [23:17] Perhaps some geeks still jack sense of humour. But thats ok, still home people. [23:17] Good people [23:17] Damn t9 [23:17] anyway, nini lovelies [23:17] ♥ [23:18] Yes, quite. [23:19] Dare I chat on irc about rubbish lol [23:22] Earthling: Depends on the channel, probably. [23:23] No. Depends on user. Most are fine. Some just dont get the concept of idle chat. [23:24] Been using irc before the dot com days, so I have good experience of lots of users that dont appreciate irc to fullest [23:25] Perhaps you know of other random chat channels? [23:26] * ball wonders when the .com era started. [23:26] Ball? [23:26] Earthling: #defocus ? [23:26] I reckon about 86 and beyond [23:26] Thats the one! [23:27] Have that on auto join on my amiga [23:29] Forgot I have to wait a millenia to be voiced [23:29] Earthling: only if you've not been there for a while (can't remember how long) [23:30] ball: 2000 [23:30] ball: 1995-2000 [23:30] Yeah your right. Via my phone I havent, so ill have to idle a while [23:31] I already said 86 and beyond. :-) [23:31] http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/11/mavizens-ttx02-electric-motorcycle-laptop-on-wheels-linux.php?dtc=th_rss_science [23:31] linux, coming to a bike near you \o/ [23:31]