| haha21 | heya, is there a way I can install the ubuntu studio packages under a standard ubuntu install without doing so one at a time? | 01:40 |
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| haha21 | Would I just install ubuntustudio-desktop ? | 01:42 |
| holstein | haha21: hello | 01:46 |
| haha21 | hi holstein | 01:46 |
| holstein | haha21: not *-desktop | 01:46 |
| holstein | i would suggest opening whatever package manger you use and search ubuntustudio | 01:46 |
| holstein | you'll see that ubuntustudio-audio is mostly the audio packages | 01:47 |
| holstein | ubuntustudio-audio-plugins for the audio plugins | 01:47 |
| holstein | *-video and *-graphics are the others relaly | 01:47 |
| holstein | really* | 01:47 |
| holstein | the rest are for the theme, look and feel | 01:47 |
| holstein | i like ubuntustudio-menu | 01:48 |
| haha21 | okay, thanks very much :) | 01:48 |
| holstein | sure... | 01:48 |
| holstein | !vanilla | haha21 | 01:48 |
| holstein | !vanilla | 01:48 |
| holstein | hmmm | 01:49 |
| ubottu | haha21: To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation | 01:49 |
| holstein | there it is :) | 01:49 |
| haha21 | thanks, it seems to be about 4 versions ago, but hopefully it will be close | 01:50 |
| haha21 | also, do you know if ubuntustudio comes with celtx by default? | 01:51 |
| holstein | haha21: celt the compression codec? | 01:51 |
| holstein | haha21: the package names are still the same | 01:52 |
| haha21 | no, celtx the script writer (i.e. http://celtx.com), I assume it doesn't as I don't think there is a package for it. | 01:52 |
| holstein | haha21: i dont find it im the repos for 10.04 | 01:53 |
| holstein | ubuntustudio uses the same repos... | 01:53 |
| holstein | unless its made it in upstream since 10.04 | 01:53 |
| holstein | haha21: so, ive read that front page... but | 01:56 |
| holstein | what is celtx ? | 01:56 |
| haha21 | basically for writing movie scripts and doing story boards etc. i.e. generally what you would do before and actual audio / video work when making a movie | 01:59 |
| holstein | interesting | 01:59 |
| holstein | haha21: we should have that | 01:59 |
| holstein | haha21: is it in debian upstream? | 01:59 |
| holstein | or proposed? | 01:59 |
| haha21 | yeah, I have no idea, whenever I install it I have to download it directly from the site as a zip file, uncompress it, and it's good to go. | 02:00 |
| holstein | we cant include if its not in the repos | 02:01 |
| holstein | haha21: if your interested... we could probably make that happen | 02:01 |
| holstein | biab | 02:01 |
| haha21 | to me it doesn't really matter, it's only an extra couple of minutes, but I think it would definitely be something that should be in there as I'm sure there'd probably be many other ubuntustudio users who would like that. | 02:02 |
| haha21 | especially for the less tech savvy, as the process including creating a menu item might be a bit foreign to some | 02:03 |
| haha21 | holstein: when you get back see above two comments, brb myself | 02:14 |
| holstein | haha21: i would just like to supply those tools for that proffesional need | 02:16 |
| haha21 | holstein: sorry, what do you mean by "that professional need"? | 02:20 |
| holstein | haha21: movie script making | 02:21 |
| holstein | story boards | 02:21 |
| holstein | whatever you said this is handy for | 02:22 |
| holstein | AFAIK we dont have anything specifically for that type of professional | 02:22 |
| haha21 | yeah, that would definitely be a great add on | 02:23 |
| haha21 | I also came across a youtube video on LMMS - Linux Multimedia Studio, I don't think I would use it too much myself, but it looks very well put together. | 02:30 |
| holstein | kind of | 02:30 |
| holstein | the JACK support has been sketchy | 02:30 |
| holstein | i think its very slick looking and fills a niche | 02:30 |
| haha21 | I haven't heard of JACK before, is that an alternate sound system to OSS and Alsa? | 02:33 |
| haha21 | Ah, I see it lets you send audio from one program to another or share an audio stream between multiple programs | 02:36 |
| holstein | yeah... its not really an alternative to anything | 02:36 |
| holstein | an analog patchbay for the computer | 02:37 |
| holstein | kind of | 02:37 |
| haha21 | analog? | 02:37 |
| holstein | like... not digital | 02:37 |
| holstein | a patchbay from a studio rig | 02:38 |
| holstein | you take cables and connect whatever you want to whatever else you want | 02:38 |
| holstein | thats what JACK is for | 02:38 |
| holstein | in out digital realm | 02:38 |
| haha21 | ah, okay, I see | 02:38 |
| holstein | our* | 02:38 |
| haha21 | I was thinking it was piping it digitally from one app to another | 02:39 |
| holstein | right | 02:39 |
| holstein | but, the workflow is a lot like a studio patchbay | 02:39 |
| holstein | and you can route any analog source through an interface that is supported | 02:40 |
| haha21 | interesting, I'll have to look more into that | 02:41 |
| holstein | alright... i gotta run... haha21, welcome to the channel :) | 02:42 |
| haha21 | thanks holstein! Have a good one | 02:42 |
| azm | Hi, is anyone up? | 16:26 |
| holstein | azm: o/ | 16:27 |
| azm | Hey holstein. I just have one simple question about the Pulseaudio-jack connection | 16:27 |
| holstein | AFAIK, we dont have one | 16:28 |
| holstein | pretty sure they didnt accept falks pacakge into debian | 16:28 |
| holstein | i know theres a different way to do it | 16:28 |
| holstein | azm: how are you doing it? | 16:28 |
| azm | I'm great, thanks for asking :) | 16:28 |
| azm | what about you? | 16:29 |
| azm | have you released some new tracks on bandcamp? | 16:29 |
| holstein | not yet | 16:29 |
| holstein | i will sometime though | 16:29 |
| holstein | ive only done the OSMP tune storms lately | 16:29 |
| holstein | i have some gear being repaired | 16:29 |
| holstein | and im trying to decide about preamps | 16:30 |
| azm | I will probably need some too. | 16:30 |
| azm | anyway | 16:31 |
| azm | I only wanted to know how to get sound with firefox while jack is running | 16:32 |
| azm | heh, same old but always pita. | 16:32 |
| holstein | i have only used the pulse-jack package from falk | 16:32 |
| holstein | from the KXstudio PPA's | 16:32 |
| holstein | theres an older more complex way AFAIK | 16:32 |
| holstein | azm: you could try just DL'ing the package.. the .deb | 16:33 |
| holstein | not sure what the depends are | 16:33 |
| azm | yea, just remember we had discussion with Scott in devel about this some time.. | 16:33 |
| holstein | what do you need from FF ? | 16:33 |
| azm | sound | 16:34 |
| azm | :) | 16:34 |
| azm | youtube | 16:34 |
| azm | etc.. | 16:34 |
| holstein | i cant imagine a scenario i couldnt work around | 16:34 |
| holstein | i mean, i dont *need* JACK + youtube | 16:34 |
| azm | yea I know | 16:34 |
| holstein | i can download most other content, and integrate that into a JACK supported player | 16:34 |
| azm | I remember you have machine for creating music | 16:34 |
| azm | separated | 16:34 |
| holstein | that being said... | 16:34 |
| holstein | you just install pulse-jack | 16:34 |
| holstein | run it | 16:34 |
| holstein | and boom | 16:34 |
| holstein | its literally that easy | 16:34 |
| holstein | but, we dont have it | 16:35 |
| holstein | you have to get it from falks PPA's | 16:35 |
| azm | sure, I just cant get over it | 16:35 |
| holstein | i would make sure you know how to purge a PPA | 16:35 |
| holstein | azm: over what? | 16:35 |
| azm | that ubuntustudio does not solve it on its own | 16:35 |
| holstein | i mean... i almost consider it a feature personally ;) | 16:35 |
| azm | that you need some other packs from non standart repos | 16:35 |
| holstein | i personally dont want/need it | 16:35 |
| holstein | but, you should be able to have it | 16:35 |
| holstein | wouldnt bother me if we didnt ship with a browser ;) | 16:36 |
| azm | oh great! | 16:49 |
| holstein | you got it :) | 16:49 |
| azm | this is exactly what I meant when I meant on its own: | 16:50 |
| azm | http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11176545&postcount=7 | 16:50 |
| azm | it works flawless | 16:50 |
| holstein | azm: you've tried that, and its working? | 16:51 |
| azm | sure | 16:51 |
| azm | just youtubin' | 16:51 |
| holstein | maybe its something to do with my firewire device | 16:51 |
| holstein | *nothing* but falks pacakge has worked for me | 16:51 |
| holstein | azm: that was as of 10.04 though | 16:54 |
| holstein | i'l have to fire up 11.10 and try that | 16:54 |
| holstein | with my firewire device | 16:54 |
| azm | holstein, yup | 17:13 |
| HighOctane | Anyone here ever use Ubuntu Studio on an iMac? | 18:22 |
| holstein | i specifially did *not* use it on a macbook | 18:23 |
| holstein | the firewire chipset was not going o be friendly | 18:23 |
| HighOctane | i see. What did you use then? | 18:23 |
| holstein | on the macbook? | 18:23 |
| holstein | i bought snow leopard, and gave it to my girlfriend :) | 18:23 |
| holstein | HighOctane: ubuntustudio = ubuntu though | 18:24 |
| HighOctane | I mean, what type of system did you choose to get ubuntu studio going strong on? | 18:24 |
| holstein | if you have ubuntu installed, just install some audio apps and try them | 18:24 |
| holstein | if you have no specific firewire needs, you'll probably be find | 18:24 |
| holstein | fine* | 18:24 |
| holstein | HighOctane: i have a dual core emachines | 18:24 |
| HighOctane | I have it installed... Kind of going through hoops right now getting my latency down... I actually haven't installed my firewire interface yet. | 18:25 |
| holstein | HighOctane: run lspci | 18:25 |
| holstein | you'll see the firewire chipset | 18:25 |
| HighOctane | I am using the iMacs default audio interface. I have reaper installed and working via wine with wineasio | 18:25 |
| holstein | when its *not* a texasinstruments chip set, thats what will make you sad very soon... | 18:25 |
| holstein | i dont use reaper | 18:26 |
| HighOctane | Ill need to plug up my firewire interface and check that. | 18:26 |
| HighOctane | What do you use? | 18:26 |
| holstein | HighOctane: actally you dont | 18:26 |
| holstein | you just open the terminal and run the command | 18:26 |
| holstein | lspci | 18:26 |
| HighOctane | oh... the chipset in the mac itself. i see. | 18:26 |
| holstein | there are other chipsets though | 18:26 |
| holstein | i have a via one that works well too | 18:27 |
| holstein | texas insruments is what you want though | 18:27 |
| HighOctane | Agere Systems FW322/323 | 18:27 |
| holstein | yup | 18:27 |
| holstein | thats *not* good | 18:27 |
| holstein | i mean, try for yourself | 18:27 |
| holstein | maybe something amazing has happened in the new kernels | 18:27 |
| holstein | im still running 10.04 everywhere | 18:28 |
| HighOctane | Is it just latency issues? Maybe I should get a cheap netbook or something. | 18:28 |
| holstein | you wont find a netbook with firewire | 18:28 |
| holstein | i have an early HP mininote that has an express card slot | 18:28 |
| HighOctane | Oh yeah. Thats right. | 18:28 |
| holstein | they stopped that too though | 18:28 |
| holstein | i have a nice texas instruments chipset in an express card firewire adapter | 18:29 |
| holstein | works pretty well | 18:29 |
| holstein | i wouldnt edit on that machine though | 18:29 |
| HighOctane | I'll say this... I am really liking ubuntu studio right now, even though I don't have my latency just perfect yet. I have sucessfully ran Windows VSTs using Reaper and Wine / WineASIO. | 18:30 |
| holstein | cool | 18:30 |
| holstein | HighOctane: you can try other kernels | 18:30 |
| holstein | https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/kernel | 18:30 |
| holstein | you can look at your interupts | 18:30 |
| holstein | in a terminal run... | 18:31 |
| holstein | cat /proc/interrupts | 18:31 |
| HighOctane | The reason I hopped on here is because when I switched to the lowlatency kernel my wireless network crapped out on me when i booted using that kernel. | 18:31 |
| holstein | you want your audio device off by itself | 18:31 |
| holstein | HighOctane: i keep 2 kernels around | 18:31 |
| holstein | you shouldnt expect to have it all | 18:31 |
| holstein | you really cant have a kernel that does everything | 18:32 |
| holstein | not yet | 18:32 |
| holstein | i bascially 'dual boot' kernels | 18:32 |
| holstein | if i have a laptop or whatever | 18:32 |
| holstein | i wouldnt want the RT kernel running on a laptop casually | 18:32 |
| holstein | HighOctane: i would expect about 20ms as ideal latency on an internal card | 18:32 |
| HighOctane | You know, I appreciate that. That will kind of keep me from banging my head against a wall. | 18:33 |
| holstein | HighOctane: ive pushed it and gotte maybe 12 or so on certain internal cards | 18:33 |
| holstein | but.. usually 20 is really pretty much it | 18:33 |
| HighOctane | What do you get with other interfaces? | 18:34 |
| holstein | i have heard the maudio 1010 is like 1.2ms | 18:35 |
| holstein | i can get 1.2 or so if i want | 18:35 |
| holstein | stable unless im really pushing it | 18:35 |
| holstein | i have a couple USB devices that can do around 5ms | 18:35 |
| holstein | i have a few internal cards that do anywhere from 20 - 80+ | 18:36 |
| HighOctane | Wicked cool! What interfaces are you using? -- (sorry to bug you, but I would love to get this nailed down) | 18:36 |
| holstein | sure | 18:37 |
| holstein | i have a presonus firepod | 18:37 |
| holstein | i have an maudio something USB... transit? | 18:37 |
| holstein | the firepod is what i use mostly though in the studio | 18:37 |
| holstein | i have some tascam USB device thats not bad either | 18:38 |
| HighOctane | Cool. Okay, so right now I have a latency of 17 ms with 512 buffer size and 3 periods per buffer. | 18:38 |
| HighOctane | Thats with the standard kernel. | 18:38 |
| holstein | yeah, thats good | 18:38 |
| holstein | why do you need lower latency? | 18:38 |
| holstein | you playing synths live? | 18:38 |
| holstein | or doing effects processing live in the box? | 18:39 |
| HighOctane | But I get dropouts. I can't hear them, but I see them in the Jack audio connection kit. | 18:39 |
| holstein | does it say xrun? | 18:39 |
| HighOctane | And Yes, I am setting up a system to play live drums. | 18:39 |
| holstein | what do you mean you can see them? | 18:39 |
| holstein | HighOctane: still, you can monitor the drums live | 18:39 |
| HighOctane | My drummer swears he can hear delays, even when I don't hear them. | 18:39 |
| holstein | and the latency can be 80ms | 18:39 |
| holstein | sure, *dont* send him anything back from the kit | 18:40 |
| holstein | i do this all the time | 18:40 |
| HighOctane | Does it say XRUN? No. Just 8 (41) in red letters. | 18:40 |
| holstein | monitor *outside* the box | 18:40 |
| holstein | you dont hear anything from the kit coming back fromt he computer | 18:40 |
| holstein | just the track you are playing along with | 18:40 |
| HighOctane | I can do that, but my drum brain don't sound as good as Superior Drummer. | 18:41 |
| holstein | ardour or whatever compensates for the latency | 18:41 |
| holstein | HighOctane: just get it in the box | 18:41 |
| holstein | and you can change it in there | 18:41 |
| holstein | HighOctane: or, get out your wallet and start chasing 1.2 ms ;) | 18:41 |
| HighOctane | Thanks for the good suggestions. | 18:41 |
| holstein | HighOctane: check out #opensourcemusicians too | 18:42 |
| holstein | lots of different hardware users over there | 18:42 |
| HighOctane | Okay, I will. Thanks. | 18:42 |
| HighOctane | XRUN callback (1 skipped) that shows up in my Jack message log every so often. | 18:42 |
| HighOctane | That's a bad thing, right? | 18:43 |
| holstein | HighOctane: ideally you want none | 18:43 |
| HighOctane | What does the realtime checkbox do in the Setup menu? | 18:43 |
| holstein | i can start recording 8 tracks at 24/96 at around 3ms and let it go for hours with no xruns | 18:44 |
| holstein | HighOctane: you want to try checking that | 18:44 |
| HighOctane | Whenever I check that, I can get no sound. | 18:44 |
| holstein | HighOctane: with the lowlatency kernel? | 18:44 |
| HighOctane | If I remember right... I'll have to try again, after a reboot. | 18:45 |
| HighOctane | Oops... Sorry ... I take that back. It is working with the realtime checkbox ticked. And now Im running 23.2 ms with 512 buffer size and 2 periods per buffer. | 18:46 |
| holstein | you want it checked | 18:46 |
| holstein | ideally | 18:46 |
| holstein | no reason to uncheck it unless JACK wont start or something like that | 18:47 |
| HighOctane | Its checked now and seems to be working fine. Now my xrun indicator says 0 (1). That's a lot better. | 18:47 |
| holstein | yup | 18:47 |
| HighOctane | -- What DAW do you like to use? | 18:48 |
| holstein | you can literally set it up on like 60ms though | 18:48 |
| holstein | and just *dont* monitor through the box | 18:48 |
| holstein | HighOctane: i use ardour | 18:48 |
| HighOctane | Okay. I want to check it out, but need the vst support and havent learned how to build it with vst support yet. | 18:49 |
| holstein | what? | 18:49 |
| holstein | ardour? | 18:49 |
| HighOctane | yeah. | 18:49 |
| holstein | i would try and ask falktx if you see him around in #opensourcemusicians or #kxstudio | 18:49 |
| holstein | i know he builds a lot of support for VST's into kxstudio and his PPA's | 18:49 |
| holstein | i personally dont use them | 18:50 |
| HighOctane | I got a dumb question: what does PPA stand for? | 18:50 |
| holstein | personal pacakge archive? | 18:50 |
| holstein | something like that... | 18:50 |
| HighOctane | oh. okay. | 18:51 |
| holstein | yeah | 18:51 |
| holstein | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Package_Archive | 18:51 |
| HighOctane | Hey man, I know you probably got things to do. Thanks for your help. | 18:51 |
| holstein | HighOctane: in a bit... i gotta go to work | 18:51 |
| holstein | i think im off tomorrow though :) | 18:51 |
| HighOctane | Have a good day. | 18:52 |
| holstein | yup... i plan to watch a lot of TV :) | 18:52 |
| holstein | its a short gig tonite anyways | 18:52 |
| holstein | 2 hour thing local | 18:52 |
| HighOctane | All right.... break a leg! | 18:53 |
| holstein | HighOctane: o/ | 18:53 |
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