[01:40] heya, is there a way I can install the ubuntu studio packages under a standard ubuntu install without doing so one at a time? [01:42] Would I just install ubuntustudio-desktop ? [01:46] haha21: hello [01:46] hi holstein [01:46] haha21: not *-desktop [01:46] i would suggest opening whatever package manger you use and search ubuntustudio [01:47] you'll see that ubuntustudio-audio is mostly the audio packages [01:47] ubuntustudio-audio-plugins for the audio plugins [01:47] *-video and *-graphics are the others relaly [01:47] really* [01:47] the rest are for the theme, look and feel [01:48] i like ubuntustudio-menu [01:48] okay, thanks very much :) [01:48] sure... [01:48] !vanilla | haha21 [01:48] !vanilla [01:49] hmmm [01:49] haha21: To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation [01:49] there it is :) [01:50] thanks, it seems to be about 4 versions ago, but hopefully it will be close [01:51] also, do you know if ubuntustudio comes with celtx by default? [01:51] haha21: celt the compression codec? [01:52] haha21: the package names are still the same [01:52] no, celtx the script writer (i.e. http://celtx.com), I assume it doesn't as I don't think there is a package for it. [01:53] haha21: i dont find it im the repos for 10.04 [01:53] ubuntustudio uses the same repos... [01:53] unless its made it in upstream since 10.04 [01:56] haha21: so, ive read that front page... but [01:56] what is celtx ? [01:59] basically for writing movie scripts and doing story boards etc. i.e. generally what you would do before and actual audio / video work when making a movie [01:59] interesting [01:59] haha21: we should have that [01:59] haha21: is it in debian upstream? [01:59] or proposed? [02:00] yeah, I have no idea, whenever I install it I have to download it directly from the site as a zip file, uncompress it, and it's good to go. [02:01] we cant include if its not in the repos [02:01] haha21: if your interested... we could probably make that happen [02:01] biab [02:02] to me it doesn't really matter, it's only an extra couple of minutes, but I think it would definitely be something that should be in there as I'm sure there'd probably be many other ubuntustudio users who would like that. [02:03] especially for the less tech savvy, as the process including creating a menu item might be a bit foreign to some [02:14] holstein: when you get back see above two comments, brb myself [02:16] haha21: i would just like to supply those tools for that proffesional need [02:20] holstein: sorry, what do you mean by "that professional need"? [02:21] haha21: movie script making [02:21] story boards [02:22] whatever you said this is handy for [02:22] AFAIK we dont have anything specifically for that type of professional [02:23] yeah, that would definitely be a great add on [02:30] I also came across a youtube video on LMMS - Linux Multimedia Studio, I don't think I would use it too much myself, but it looks very well put together. [02:30] kind of [02:30] the JACK support has been sketchy [02:30] i think its very slick looking and fills a niche [02:33] I haven't heard of JACK before, is that an alternate sound system to OSS and Alsa? [02:36] Ah, I see it lets you send audio from one program to another or share an audio stream between multiple programs [02:36] yeah... its not really an alternative to anything [02:37] an analog patchbay for the computer [02:37] kind of [02:37] analog? [02:37] like... not digital [02:38] a patchbay from a studio rig [02:38] you take cables and connect whatever you want to whatever else you want [02:38] thats what JACK is for [02:38] in out digital realm [02:38] ah, okay, I see [02:38] our* [02:39] I was thinking it was piping it digitally from one app to another [02:39] right [02:39] but, the workflow is a lot like a studio patchbay [02:40] and you can route any analog source through an interface that is supported [02:41] interesting, I'll have to look more into that [02:42] alright... i gotta run... haha21, welcome to the channel :) [02:42] thanks holstein! Have a good one [16:26] Hi, is anyone up? [16:27] azm: o/ [16:27] Hey holstein. I just have one simple question about the Pulseaudio-jack connection [16:28] AFAIK, we dont have one [16:28] pretty sure they didnt accept falks pacakge into debian [16:28] i know theres a different way to do it [16:28] azm: how are you doing it? [16:28] I'm great, thanks for asking :) [16:29] what about you? [16:29] have you released some new tracks on bandcamp? [16:29] not yet [16:29] i will sometime though [16:29] ive only done the OSMP tune storms lately [16:29] i have some gear being repaired [16:30] and im trying to decide about preamps [16:30] I will probably need some too. [16:31] anyway [16:32] I only wanted to know how to get sound with firefox while jack is running [16:32] heh, same old but always pita. [16:32] i have only used the pulse-jack package from falk [16:32] from the KXstudio PPA's [16:32] theres an older more complex way AFAIK [16:33] azm: you could try just DL'ing the package.. the .deb [16:33] not sure what the depends are [16:33] yea, just remember we had discussion with Scott in devel about this some time.. [16:33] what do you need from FF ? [16:34] sound [16:34] :) [16:34] youtube [16:34] etc.. [16:34] i cant imagine a scenario i couldnt work around [16:34] i mean, i dont *need* JACK + youtube [16:34] yea I know [16:34] i can download most other content, and integrate that into a JACK supported player [16:34] I remember you have machine for creating music [16:34] separated [16:34] that being said... [16:34] you just install pulse-jack [16:34] run it [16:34] and boom [16:34] its literally that easy [16:35] but, we dont have it [16:35] you have to get it from falks PPA's [16:35] sure, I just cant get over it [16:35] i would make sure you know how to purge a PPA [16:35] azm: over what? [16:35] that ubuntustudio does not solve it on its own [16:35] i mean... i almost consider it a feature personally ;) [16:35] that you need some other packs from non standart repos [16:35] i personally dont want/need it [16:35] but, you should be able to have it [16:36] wouldnt bother me if we didnt ship with a browser ;) [16:49] oh great! [16:49] you got it :) [16:50] this is exactly what I meant when I meant on its own: [16:50] http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11176545&postcount=7 [16:50] it works flawless [16:51] azm: you've tried that, and its working? [16:51] sure [16:51] just youtubin' [16:51] maybe its something to do with my firewire device [16:51] *nothing* but falks pacakge has worked for me [16:54] azm: that was as of 10.04 though [16:54] i'l have to fire up 11.10 and try that [16:54] with my firewire device [17:13] holstein, yup [18:22] Anyone here ever use Ubuntu Studio on an iMac? [18:23] i specifially did *not* use it on a macbook [18:23] the firewire chipset was not going o be friendly [18:23] i see. What did you use then? [18:23] on the macbook? [18:23] i bought snow leopard, and gave it to my girlfriend :) [18:24] HighOctane: ubuntustudio = ubuntu though [18:24] I mean, what type of system did you choose to get ubuntu studio going strong on? [18:24] if you have ubuntu installed, just install some audio apps and try them [18:24] if you have no specific firewire needs, you'll probably be find [18:24] fine* [18:24] HighOctane: i have a dual core emachines [18:25] I have it installed... Kind of going through hoops right now getting my latency down... I actually haven't installed my firewire interface yet. [18:25] HighOctane: run lspci [18:25] you'll see the firewire chipset [18:25] I am using the iMacs default audio interface. I have reaper installed and working via wine with wineasio [18:25] when its *not* a texasinstruments chip set, thats what will make you sad very soon... [18:26] i dont use reaper [18:26] Ill need to plug up my firewire interface and check that. [18:26] What do you use? [18:26] HighOctane: actally you dont [18:26] you just open the terminal and run the command [18:26] lspci [18:26] oh... the chipset in the mac itself. i see. [18:26] there are other chipsets though [18:27] i have a via one that works well too [18:27] texas insruments is what you want though [18:27] Agere Systems FW322/323 [18:27] yup [18:27] thats *not* good [18:27] i mean, try for yourself [18:27] maybe something amazing has happened in the new kernels [18:28] im still running 10.04 everywhere [18:28] Is it just latency issues? Maybe I should get a cheap netbook or something. [18:28] you wont find a netbook with firewire [18:28] i have an early HP mininote that has an express card slot [18:28] Oh yeah. Thats right. [18:28] they stopped that too though [18:29] i have a nice texas instruments chipset in an express card firewire adapter [18:29] works pretty well [18:29] i wouldnt edit on that machine though [18:30] I'll say this... I am really liking ubuntu studio right now, even though I don't have my latency just perfect yet. I have sucessfully ran Windows VSTs using Reaper and Wine / WineASIO. [18:30] cool [18:30] HighOctane: you can try other kernels [18:30] https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/kernel [18:30] you can look at your interupts [18:31] in a terminal run... [18:31] cat /proc/interrupts [18:31] The reason I hopped on here is because when I switched to the lowlatency kernel my wireless network crapped out on me when i booted using that kernel. [18:31] you want your audio device off by itself [18:31] HighOctane: i keep 2 kernels around [18:31] you shouldnt expect to have it all [18:32] you really cant have a kernel that does everything [18:32] not yet [18:32] i bascially 'dual boot' kernels [18:32] if i have a laptop or whatever [18:32] i wouldnt want the RT kernel running on a laptop casually [18:32] HighOctane: i would expect about 20ms as ideal latency on an internal card [18:33] You know, I appreciate that. That will kind of keep me from banging my head against a wall. [18:33] HighOctane: ive pushed it and gotte maybe 12 or so on certain internal cards [18:33] but.. usually 20 is really pretty much it [18:34] What do you get with other interfaces? [18:35] i have heard the maudio 1010 is like 1.2ms [18:35] i can get 1.2 or so if i want [18:35] stable unless im really pushing it [18:35] i have a couple USB devices that can do around 5ms [18:36] i have a few internal cards that do anywhere from 20 - 80+ [18:36] Wicked cool! What interfaces are you using? -- (sorry to bug you, but I would love to get this nailed down) [18:37] sure [18:37] i have a presonus firepod [18:37] i have an maudio something USB... transit? [18:37] the firepod is what i use mostly though in the studio [18:38] i have some tascam USB device thats not bad either [18:38] Cool. Okay, so right now I have a latency of 17 ms with 512 buffer size and 3 periods per buffer. [18:38] Thats with the standard kernel. [18:38] yeah, thats good [18:38] why do you need lower latency? [18:38] you playing synths live? [18:39] or doing effects processing live in the box? [18:39] But I get dropouts. I can't hear them, but I see them in the Jack audio connection kit. [18:39] does it say xrun? [18:39] And Yes, I am setting up a system to play live drums. [18:39] what do you mean you can see them? [18:39] HighOctane: still, you can monitor the drums live [18:39] My drummer swears he can hear delays, even when I don't hear them. [18:39] and the latency can be 80ms [18:40] sure, *dont* send him anything back from the kit [18:40] i do this all the time [18:40] Does it say XRUN? No. Just 8 (41) in red letters. [18:40] monitor *outside* the box [18:40] you dont hear anything from the kit coming back fromt he computer [18:40] just the track you are playing along with [18:41] I can do that, but my drum brain don't sound as good as Superior Drummer. [18:41] ardour or whatever compensates for the latency [18:41] HighOctane: just get it in the box [18:41] and you can change it in there [18:41] HighOctane: or, get out your wallet and start chasing 1.2 ms ;) [18:41] Thanks for the good suggestions. [18:42] HighOctane: check out #opensourcemusicians too [18:42] lots of different hardware users over there [18:42] Okay, I will. Thanks. [18:42] XRUN callback (1 skipped) that shows up in my Jack message log every so often. [18:43] That's a bad thing, right? [18:43] HighOctane: ideally you want none [18:43] What does the realtime checkbox do in the Setup menu? [18:44] i can start recording 8 tracks at 24/96 at around 3ms and let it go for hours with no xruns [18:44] HighOctane: you want to try checking that [18:44] Whenever I check that, I can get no sound. [18:44] HighOctane: with the lowlatency kernel? [18:45] If I remember right... I'll have to try again, after a reboot. [18:46] Oops... Sorry ... I take that back. It is working with the realtime checkbox ticked. And now Im running 23.2 ms with 512 buffer size and 2 periods per buffer. [18:46] you want it checked [18:46] ideally [18:47] no reason to uncheck it unless JACK wont start or something like that [18:47] Its checked now and seems to be working fine. Now my xrun indicator says 0 (1). That's a lot better. [18:47] yup [18:48] -- What DAW do you like to use? [18:48] you can literally set it up on like 60ms though [18:48] and just *dont* monitor through the box [18:48] HighOctane: i use ardour [18:49] Okay. I want to check it out, but need the vst support and havent learned how to build it with vst support yet. [18:49] what? [18:49] ardour? [18:49] yeah. [18:49] i would try and ask falktx if you see him around in #opensourcemusicians or #kxstudio [18:49] i know he builds a lot of support for VST's into kxstudio and his PPA's [18:50] i personally dont use them [18:50] I got a dumb question: what does PPA stand for? [18:50] personal pacakge archive? [18:50] something like that... [18:51] oh. okay. [18:51] yeah [18:51] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Package_Archive [18:51] Hey man, I know you probably got things to do. Thanks for your help. [18:51] HighOctane: in a bit... i gotta go to work [18:51] i think im off tomorrow though :) [18:52] Have a good day. [18:52] yup... i plan to watch a lot of TV :) [18:52] its a short gig tonite anyways [18:52] 2 hour thing local [18:53] All right.... break a leg! [18:53] HighOctane: o/