[01:40] <haha21> heya, is there a way I can install the ubuntu studio packages under a standard ubuntu install without doing so one at a time?
[01:42] <haha21> Would I just install ubuntustudio-desktop ?
[01:46] <holstein> haha21: hello
[01:46] <haha21> hi holstein
[01:46] <holstein> haha21: not *-desktop
[01:46] <holstein> i would suggest opening whatever package manger you use and search ubuntustudio
[01:47] <holstein> you'll see that ubuntustudio-audio is mostly the audio packages
[01:47] <holstein> ubuntustudio-audio-plugins for the audio plugins
[01:47] <holstein> *-video and *-graphics are the others relaly
[01:47] <holstein> really*
[01:47] <holstein> the rest are for the theme, look and feel
[01:48] <holstein> i like ubuntustudio-menu
[01:48] <haha21> okay, thanks very much :)
[01:48] <holstein> sure...
[01:48] <holstein> !vanilla | haha21
[01:48] <holstein> !vanilla
[01:49] <holstein> hmmm
[01:49] <holstein> there it is :)
[01:50] <haha21> thanks, it seems to be about 4 versions ago, but hopefully it will be close
[01:51] <haha21> also, do you know if ubuntustudio comes with celtx by default?
[01:51] <holstein> haha21: celt the compression codec?
[01:52] <holstein> haha21: the package names are still the same
[01:52] <haha21> no, celtx the script writer (i.e. http://celtx.com), I assume it doesn't as I don't think there is a package for it.
[01:53] <holstein> haha21: i dont find it im the repos for 10.04
[01:53] <holstein> ubuntustudio uses the same repos...
[01:53] <holstein> unless its made it in upstream since 10.04
[01:56] <holstein> haha21: so, ive read that front page... but
[01:56] <holstein> what is celtx ?
[01:59] <haha21> basically for writing movie scripts and doing story boards etc. i.e. generally what you would do before and actual audio / video work when making a movie
[01:59] <holstein> interesting
[01:59] <holstein> haha21: we should have that
[01:59] <holstein> haha21: is it in debian upstream?
[01:59] <holstein> or proposed?
[02:00] <haha21> yeah, I have no idea, whenever I install it I have to download it directly from the site as a zip file, uncompress it, and it's good to go.
[02:01] <holstein> we cant include if its not in the repos
[02:01] <holstein> haha21: if your interested... we could probably make that happen
[02:01] <holstein> biab
[02:02] <haha21> to me it doesn't really matter, it's only an extra couple of minutes, but I think it would definitely be something that should be in there as I'm sure there'd probably be many other ubuntustudio users who would like that.
[02:03] <haha21> especially for the less tech savvy, as the process including creating a menu item might be a bit foreign to some
[02:14] <haha21> holstein: when you get back see above two comments, brb myself
[02:16] <holstein> haha21: i would just like to supply those tools for that proffesional need
[02:20] <haha21> holstein: sorry, what do you mean by "that professional need"?
[02:21] <holstein> haha21: movie script making
[02:21] <holstein> story boards
[02:22] <holstein> whatever you said this is handy for
[02:22] <holstein> AFAIK we dont have anything specifically for that type of professional
[02:23] <haha21> yeah, that would definitely be a great add on
[02:30] <haha21> I also came across a youtube video on LMMS - Linux Multimedia Studio, I don't think I would use it too much myself, but it looks very well put together.
[02:30] <holstein> kind of
[02:30] <holstein> the JACK support has been sketchy
[02:30] <holstein> i think its very slick looking and fills a niche
[02:33] <haha21> I haven't heard of JACK before, is that an alternate sound system to OSS and Alsa?
[02:36] <haha21> Ah, I see it lets you send audio from one program to another or share an audio stream between multiple programs
[02:36] <holstein> yeah... its not really an alternative to anything
[02:37] <holstein> an analog patchbay for the computer
[02:37] <holstein> kind of
[02:37] <haha21> analog?
[02:37] <holstein> like... not digital
[02:38] <holstein> a patchbay from a studio rig
[02:38] <holstein> you take cables and connect whatever you want to whatever else you want
[02:38] <holstein> thats what JACK is for
[02:38] <holstein> in out digital realm
[02:38] <haha21> ah, okay, I see
[02:38] <holstein> our*
[02:39] <haha21> I was thinking it was piping it digitally from one app to another
[02:39] <holstein> right
[02:39] <holstein> but, the workflow is a lot like a studio patchbay
[02:40] <holstein> and you can route any analog source through an interface that is supported
[02:41] <haha21> interesting, I'll have to look more into that
[02:42] <holstein> alright... i gotta run... haha21, welcome to the channel :)
[02:42] <haha21> thanks holstein! Have a good one
[16:26] <azm> Hi, is anyone up?
[16:27] <holstein> azm: o/
[16:27] <azm> Hey holstein. I just have one simple question about the Pulseaudio-jack connection
[16:28] <holstein> AFAIK, we dont have one
[16:28] <holstein> pretty sure they didnt accept falks pacakge into debian
[16:28] <holstein> i know theres a different way to do it
[16:28] <holstein> azm: how are you doing it?
[16:28] <azm> I'm great, thanks for asking :)
[16:29] <azm> what about you?
[16:29] <azm> have you released some new tracks on bandcamp?
[16:29] <holstein> not yet
[16:29] <holstein> i will sometime though
[16:29] <holstein> ive only done the OSMP tune storms lately
[16:29] <holstein> i have some gear being repaired
[16:30] <holstein> and im trying to decide about preamps
[16:30] <azm> I will probably need some too.
[16:31] <azm> anyway
[16:32] <azm> I only wanted to know how to get sound with firefox while jack is running
[16:32] <azm> heh, same old but always pita.
[16:32] <holstein> i have only used the pulse-jack package from falk
[16:32] <holstein> from the KXstudio PPA's
[16:32] <holstein> theres an older more complex way AFAIK
[16:33] <holstein> azm: you could try just DL'ing the package.. the .deb
[16:33] <holstein> not sure what the depends are
[16:33] <azm> yea, just remember we had discussion with Scott in devel about this some time..
[16:33] <holstein> what do you need from FF ?
[16:34] <azm> sound
[16:34] <azm> :)
[16:34] <azm> youtube
[16:34] <azm> etc..
[16:34] <holstein> i cant imagine a scenario i couldnt work around
[16:34] <holstein> i mean, i dont *need* JACK + youtube
[16:34] <azm> yea I know
[16:34] <holstein> i can download most other content, and integrate that into a JACK supported player
[16:34] <azm> I remember you have machine for creating music
[16:34] <azm> separated
[16:34] <holstein> that being said...
[16:34] <holstein> you just install pulse-jack
[16:34] <holstein> run it
[16:34] <holstein> and boom
[16:34] <holstein> its literally that easy
[16:35] <holstein> but, we dont have it
[16:35] <holstein> you have to get it from falks PPA's
[16:35] <azm> sure, I just cant get over it
[16:35] <holstein> i would make sure you know how to purge a PPA
[16:35] <holstein> azm: over what?
[16:35] <azm> that ubuntustudio does not solve it on its own
[16:35] <holstein> i mean... i almost consider it a feature personally ;)
[16:35] <azm> that you need some other packs from non standart repos
[16:35] <holstein> i personally dont want/need it
[16:35] <holstein> but, you should be able to have it
[16:36] <holstein> wouldnt bother me if we didnt ship with a browser ;)
[16:49] <azm> oh great!
[16:49] <holstein> you got it :)
[16:50] <azm> this is exactly what I meant when I meant on its own:
[16:50] <azm> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11176545&postcount=7
[16:50] <azm> it works flawless
[16:51] <holstein> azm: you've tried that, and its working?
[16:51] <azm> sure
[16:51] <azm> just youtubin'
[16:51] <holstein> maybe its something to do with my firewire device
[16:51] <holstein> *nothing* but falks pacakge has worked for me
[16:54] <holstein> azm: that was as of 10.04 though
[16:54] <holstein> i'l have to fire up 11.10 and try that
[16:54] <holstein> with my firewire device
[17:13] <azm> holstein, yup
[18:22] <HighOctane> Anyone here ever use Ubuntu Studio on an iMac?
[18:23] <holstein> i specifially did *not* use it on a macbook
[18:23] <holstein> the firewire chipset was not going o be friendly
[18:23] <HighOctane> i see. What did you use then?
[18:23] <holstein> on the macbook?
[18:23] <holstein> i bought snow leopard, and gave it to my girlfriend :)
[18:24] <holstein> HighOctane: ubuntustudio = ubuntu though
[18:24] <HighOctane> I mean, what type of system did you choose to get ubuntu studio going strong on?
[18:24] <holstein> if you have ubuntu installed, just install some audio apps and try them
[18:24] <holstein> if you have no specific firewire needs, you'll probably be find
[18:24] <holstein> fine*
[18:24] <holstein> HighOctane: i have a dual core emachines
[18:25] <HighOctane> I have it installed... Kind of going through hoops right now getting my latency down... I actually haven't installed my firewire interface yet.
[18:25] <holstein> HighOctane: run lspci
[18:25] <holstein> you'll see the firewire chipset
[18:25] <HighOctane> I am using the iMacs default audio interface. I have reaper installed and working via wine with wineasio
[18:25] <holstein> when its *not* a texasinstruments chip set, thats what will make you sad very soon...
[18:26] <holstein> i dont use reaper
[18:26] <HighOctane> Ill need to plug up my firewire interface and check that.
[18:26] <HighOctane> What do you use?
[18:26] <holstein> HighOctane: actally you dont
[18:26] <holstein> you just open the terminal and run the command
[18:26] <holstein> lspci
[18:26] <HighOctane> oh... the chipset in the mac itself. i see.
[18:26] <holstein> there are other chipsets though
[18:27] <holstein> i have a via one that works well too
[18:27] <holstein> texas insruments is what you want though
[18:27] <HighOctane> Agere Systems FW322/323
[18:27] <holstein> yup
[18:27] <holstein> thats *not* good
[18:27] <holstein> i mean, try for yourself
[18:27] <holstein> maybe something amazing has happened in the new kernels
[18:28] <holstein> im still running 10.04 everywhere
[18:28] <HighOctane> Is it just latency issues? Maybe I should get a cheap netbook or something.
[18:28] <holstein> you wont find a netbook with firewire
[18:28] <holstein> i have an early HP mininote that has an express card slot
[18:28] <HighOctane> Oh yeah. Thats right.
[18:28] <holstein> they stopped that too though
[18:29] <holstein> i have a nice texas instruments chipset in an express card firewire adapter
[18:29] <holstein> works pretty well
[18:29] <holstein> i wouldnt edit on that machine though
[18:30] <HighOctane> I'll say this... I am really liking ubuntu studio right now, even though I don't have my latency just perfect yet. I have sucessfully ran Windows VSTs using Reaper and Wine / WineASIO.
[18:30] <holstein> cool
[18:30] <holstein> HighOctane: you can try other kernels
[18:30] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/kernel
[18:30] <holstein> you can look at your interupts
[18:31] <holstein> in a terminal run...
[18:31] <holstein> cat /proc/interrupts
[18:31] <HighOctane> The reason I hopped on here is because when I switched to the lowlatency kernel my wireless network crapped out on me when i booted using that kernel.
[18:31] <holstein> you want your audio device off by itself
[18:31] <holstein> HighOctane: i keep 2 kernels around
[18:31] <holstein> you shouldnt expect to have it all
[18:32] <holstein> you really cant have a kernel that does everything
[18:32] <holstein> not yet
[18:32] <holstein> i bascially 'dual boot' kernels
[18:32] <holstein> if i have a laptop or whatever
[18:32] <holstein> i wouldnt want the RT kernel running on a laptop casually
[18:32] <holstein> HighOctane: i would expect about 20ms as ideal latency on an internal card
[18:33] <HighOctane> You know, I appreciate that. That will kind of keep me from banging my head against a wall.
[18:33] <holstein> HighOctane: ive pushed it and gotte maybe 12 or so on certain internal cards
[18:33] <holstein> but.. usually 20 is really pretty much it
[18:34] <HighOctane> What do you get with other interfaces?
[18:35] <holstein> i have heard the maudio 1010 is like 1.2ms
[18:35] <holstein> i can get 1.2 or so if i want
[18:35] <holstein> stable unless im really pushing it
[18:35] <holstein> i have a couple USB devices that can do around 5ms
[18:36] <holstein> i have a few internal cards that do anywhere from 20 - 80+
[18:36] <HighOctane> Wicked cool! What interfaces are you using? -- (sorry to bug you, but I would love to get this nailed down)
[18:37] <holstein> sure
[18:37] <holstein> i have a presonus firepod
[18:37] <holstein> i have an maudio something USB... transit?
[18:37] <holstein> the firepod is what i use mostly though in the studio
[18:38] <holstein> i have some tascam USB device thats not bad either
[18:38] <HighOctane> Cool. Okay, so right now I have a latency of 17 ms with 512 buffer size and 3 periods per buffer.
[18:38] <HighOctane> Thats with the standard kernel.
[18:38] <holstein> yeah, thats good
[18:38] <holstein> why do you need lower latency?
[18:38] <holstein> you playing synths live?
[18:39] <holstein> or doing effects processing live in the box?
[18:39] <HighOctane> But I get dropouts. I can't hear them, but I see them in the Jack audio connection kit.
[18:39] <holstein> does it say xrun?
[18:39] <HighOctane> And Yes, I am setting up a system to play live drums.
[18:39] <holstein> what do you mean you can see them?
[18:39] <holstein> HighOctane: still, you can monitor the drums live
[18:39] <HighOctane> My drummer swears he can hear delays, even when I don't hear them.
[18:39] <holstein> and the latency can be 80ms
[18:40] <holstein> sure, *dont* send him anything back from the kit
[18:40] <holstein> i do this all the time
[18:40] <HighOctane> Does it say XRUN? No. Just 8 (41) in red letters.
[18:40] <holstein> monitor *outside* the box
[18:40] <holstein> you dont hear anything from the kit coming back fromt he computer
[18:40] <holstein> just the track you are playing along with
[18:41] <HighOctane> I can do that, but my drum brain don't sound as good as Superior Drummer.
[18:41] <holstein> ardour or whatever compensates for the latency
[18:41] <holstein> HighOctane: just get it in the box
[18:41] <holstein> and you can change it in there
[18:41] <holstein> HighOctane: or, get out your wallet and start chasing 1.2 ms ;)
[18:41] <HighOctane> Thanks for the good suggestions.
[18:42] <holstein> HighOctane: check out #opensourcemusicians too
[18:42] <holstein> lots of different hardware users over there
[18:42] <HighOctane> Okay, I will. Thanks.
[18:42] <HighOctane> XRUN callback (1 skipped) that shows up in my Jack message log every so often.
[18:43] <HighOctane> That's a bad thing, right?
[18:43] <holstein> HighOctane: ideally you want none
[18:43] <HighOctane> What does the realtime checkbox do in the Setup menu?
[18:44] <holstein> i can start recording 8 tracks at 24/96 at around 3ms and let it go for hours with no xruns
[18:44] <holstein> HighOctane: you want to try checking that
[18:44] <HighOctane> Whenever I check that, I can get no sound.
[18:44] <holstein> HighOctane: with the lowlatency kernel?
[18:45] <HighOctane> If I remember right... I'll have to try again, after a reboot.
[18:46] <HighOctane> Oops... Sorry ... I take that back. It is working with the realtime checkbox ticked. And now Im running 23.2 ms with 512 buffer size and 2 periods per buffer.
[18:46] <holstein> you want it checked
[18:46] <holstein> ideally
[18:47] <holstein> no reason to uncheck it unless JACK wont start or something like that
[18:47] <HighOctane> Its checked now and seems to be working fine. Now my xrun indicator says 0 (1). That's a lot better.
[18:47] <holstein> yup
[18:48] <HighOctane> -- What DAW do you like to use?
[18:48] <holstein> you can literally set it up on like 60ms though
[18:48] <holstein> and just *dont* monitor through the box
[18:48] <holstein> HighOctane: i use ardour
[18:49] <HighOctane> Okay. I want to check it out, but need the vst support and havent learned how to build it with vst support yet.
[18:49] <holstein> what?
[18:49] <holstein> ardour?
[18:49] <HighOctane> yeah.
[18:49] <holstein> i would try and ask falktx if you see him around in #opensourcemusicians or #kxstudio
[18:49] <holstein> i know he builds a lot of support for VST's into kxstudio and his PPA's
[18:50] <holstein> i personally dont use them
[18:50] <HighOctane> I got a dumb question: what does PPA stand for?
[18:50] <holstein> personal pacakge archive?
[18:50] <holstein> something like that...
[18:51] <HighOctane> oh. okay.
[18:51] <holstein> yeah
[18:51] <holstein> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Package_Archive
[18:51] <HighOctane> Hey man, I know you probably got things to do. Thanks for your help.
[18:51] <holstein> HighOctane: in a bit... i gotta go to work
[18:51] <holstein> i think im off tomorrow though :)
[18:52] <HighOctane> Have a good day.
[18:52] <holstein> yup... i plan to watch a lot of TV :)
[18:52] <holstein> its a short gig tonite anyways
[18:52] <holstein> 2 hour thing local
[18:53] <HighOctane> All right.... break a leg!
[18:53] <holstein> HighOctane: o/