[00:00] <LinuxCommando> your going in the dev credits :D
[00:07] <Daskreech> LinuxCommando: compile your program. Does it offer source? Or is it Adobe flash?
[00:30] <tux___> hey all
[00:32] <Daskreech> hooray for patience
[00:36] <kwtm> Hi.  Am not using the latest Kubuntu, would like info on it: has Kubuntu undergone any major interface/win manager changes the way standard Ubuntu went to Unity, or is it still the same KDE4 interface as in Kubuntu 10.04?
[00:40] <James147> kwtm: only changes to kubuntu's interface are those done upstream by kde :) which havent had any major overhaul since what was in 10.04
[00:41] <James147> kwtm: if anything its just more refined and logical :)
[00:41] <James147> (also, I think some time after 10.04 the desktop and netbook images where merged, but you can switch between them at will)
[00:56] <melman> back again
[00:56] <kwtm> wonderful, James147. Am hoping to eventually switch my work laptop to Kubuntu if they let me (naturally I have to do my own support) but I had been hoping that Kubuntu would be immune to frivolous^Wnon-essential interface changes by devs who have nothing better to do^W^W^W^W^Ware so good at it that they can make lots of changes rapidly.
[00:57] <LinuxCommando> hey i need help with arch now. hah
[00:57] <LinuxCommando> i cant get a gui
[00:57] <LinuxCommando> how do i  open it?
[00:58] <yofel> well, usually you would have init start kdm, and then login from there
[00:59] <yofel> but I'm not sure how you set your system up..
[00:59] <ionite> James147: are u there? KDE can't detect my external HDD when i plug it in
[00:59] <LinuxCommando> i did the defualt
[00:59] <LinuxCommando> how would i get start kdm
[01:00] <ionite> why can't KDE detect my external HDD when i plugged it in?
[01:00] <yofel> ionite: does the kernel see it? i.e.: does it show up in the output of 'dmesg' after you plug it in?
[01:00] <LinuxCommando> i love KDE
[01:00] <yofel> LinuxCommando: "default" is very vague if you compile things yourself...
[01:01] <LinuxCommando> it download and istalled only binaries
[01:01] <ionite> yofel: i don't know what ure talking about?
[01:01] <yofel> ionite: open a Konsole and run 'dmesg' after plugging the drive in
[01:02] <yofel> that'll print the kernel log which should show that it registered the drive
[01:02] <bazhang> LinuxCommando, arch? or kubuntu
[01:02] <LinuxCommando> arch
[01:02] <bazhang> LinuxCommando, then use the arch channel for support
[01:02] <bazhang> #archlinux
[01:02] <yofel> LinuxCommando: well anyway, arch support is either in the arch support channel or ask in #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:03] <LinuxCommando> i was talking to James147 before and he told me it was a good idea + i always get good help here
[01:03] <ionite> yofel: check this out: http://paste.ubuntu.com/676282/
[01:03] <bazhang> LinuxCommando, its not the arch support channel, so dont ask for help with arch here  -----> #archlinux
[01:04] <LinuxCommando> sorry bout that.
[01:04] <James147> LinuxCommando: not really the channel for arch support ^^ i suggest reading the arch wiki... its a very good reference on how to setup just about everything :) or ask on #archlinux
[01:04] <LinuxCommando> i figured it out know thanks anyways
[01:05] <yofel> ionite: o.O, seems it does register the device itself, but then gets errors and can't read the partition table
[01:05] <yofel> can't say I've seen that yet...
[01:06] <ionite> yofel: so what should i do?
[01:07] <yofel> I have no idea, sorry.
[01:07] <yofel> someone else? ^
[01:07] <James147> ionite: does a device file show up in /dev when you plug it in (ie /dev/sdX  where X is a letter)
[01:07] <OerHeks> ionite, is it a new device ?
[01:07] <yofel> James147: nope, see his kernel log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/676282/
[01:08] <ionite> OerHeks: nope i've use this external HDD for many times with my kde and now it can't detect
[01:08] <OerHeks> oke, does it work on an other machine ?
[01:08] <ionite> yofel: maybe i'll try restarting my comp.
[01:09] <ionite> OerHeks: yes. i just unplugged from a windows Xp machine but i removed the .Trash1000 folder inside my HDD
[01:09] <ionite> BRB while i restart and see what happens. it's just so weird...
[01:10] <James147> ionite: hmm, did you "safely remove" it from windows?
[01:10] <ultrixx> hi, is reiserfs a good option or should i use ext4?
[01:10]  * James147 remembers windows doing something funky toa drive once and linux faling to do anything with it if he didnt safly remove it ... but that was along time ago
[01:10] <yofel> ultrixx: unless you have a reason to use reiserfs I would say use ext4
[01:11] <ultrixx> yofel: ok
[01:11] <ultrixx> yofel: what reasons could that be?
[01:11] <James147> ultrixx: btrfs is the new file system :D ... though I wouldnt yet recomend it for general use
[01:12] <James147> is reiserfs still maintained?
[01:12] <yofel> no idea, I know that reiserfs performance differs depending on the usage. But default is ext4 ans thus the most tested one
[01:12] <ultrixx> James147: it is an option in installation program
[01:12] <ionite> James147: still can't detect my hdd
[01:12] <yofel> btrfs is still experimental, while usable as long as you have backups
[01:12] <ionite> yofel: still cant detect my hdd
[01:13] <James147> ultrixx: i recomend ext4 unless you know what your doing
[01:13] <ultrixx> James147: ok
[01:13] <ultrixx> thanks
[01:13] <ionite> could be be because i deleted the .Trash1000 file?
[01:13] <yofel> ionite: when did it stop working?
[01:13] <ionite> yofel: when i copied some .3ga files and deleted the .Trash1000 folder from my external HDD
[01:14] <ionite> yofel: there are no popups from my device notifier
[01:14] <yofel> odd, any kernel update or so?
[01:14] <ultrixx> James147: i have heard that btrfs can cause fragmentation like ntfs. is that true?
[01:15] <yofel> ionite: right, because the kernel can't even properly read the device, so it doesn't even get to that
[01:15] <yofel> ultrixx: all filesystems can cause fragmentation...
[01:15] <yofel> they just differ in the amount and how they handle it
[01:15] <ionite> yofel: so what should i do?
[01:15] <James147> ultrixx: not sure.. though I dont see why they would design a filesystem these days that was as bad as ntfs
[01:15] <James147> for fragmentation
[01:15] <ionite> yofel: replace the .Trash1000 file?
[01:16] <yofel> ionite: I don't think the file is the problem... try an older kernel maybe? (I'm fishing for ideas here...)
[01:16] <ionite> yofel: what's strange is that it was working fine then now it stopped working.
[01:16] <James147> ionite: when you unpluged it from xp did you just yank the cable or did you "safely remove" it?
[01:17] <ionite> James147: i did a safely remove
[01:17] <yofel> ionite: well, I don't know what's the problem, from the kernel log I would say it's a problem with the disk, which doesn't make sense if it still works in another system
[01:17]  * James147 is out of ideas and falls asleep :p
[01:18] <yofel> ultrixx: if you ever heard about btrfs and fragmentation then probably because its supposed to have working defragmentation support on release
[01:18] <yofel> which most other linux filesystems don't have
[01:32] <ionite> anyonehere?
[01:33] <bazhang> ionite, yes
[01:33] <ionite> yofel: i tried XP. it detects my HDD.
[01:35] <ionite> bazhang: why do i get permission denied when i type this? /dev/sd*
[01:35] <ionite> yofel: why do i get permission denied when i type this?
[01:35] <ionite> yofel: /dev/sd*
[01:35] <yofel> because you're trying to execute a device -> won't work
[01:35] <bazhang> ionite, explain what you are trying to do
[01:35] <yofel> you want something like 'ls -l /dev/sd*'
[01:36] <ionite> bazhang: detect my HDD
[01:36] <ionite> yofel: i still get permission denied
[01:37] <yofel> ionite: what exactly did you run?
[01:37] <ionite> yofel: http://ircanswers.com/kubuntu/730556/why-cannot-detect-external-hdd
[01:38] <ionite> yofel: it's just puzzling why a external HDD is not detected in KDE but is detected in XP
[01:38] <yofel> well, could be udev too, true. I don't get why he's suggesting wine...
[01:39] <ionite> yofel: what's ddev?
[01:39] <ionite> yofel: udev?
[01:39] <yofel> !info udev
[01:39] <yofel> nothing you usually need to care about..
[01:40] <yofel> but udev is responsible for creating the files in /dev/ when a device is connected
[01:40] <ionite> yofel: so what should i do now?
[01:40] <yofel> ionite: well, why are you getting premission denied when you run ls -l /dev/sd* ?
[01:40] <ionite> yofel: yea. puzzling too when i was already at root
[01:41] <ionite> yofel: i keyed sudo -i
[01:41] <yofel> what does ls -ld /dev say?
[01:41] <ionite> yofel: drwxr-xr-x 18 root root 4080 2011-08-28 09:10 /dev
[01:42] <yofel> correct
[01:42] <ionite> yofel: next? how do make Udev create files?
[01:42] <yofel> try ls -l /dev/sd* again
[01:42] <ionite> yofel: brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 0 2011-08-28 09:10 /dev/sda brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 1 2011-08-28 09:10 /dev/sda1 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 2 2011-08-28 09:10 /dev/sda2 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 5 2011-08-28 09:10 /dev/sda5
[01:42] <yofel> well better, but still only shows sda
[01:43] <ionite> yofel: hmm?
[01:43] <yofel> ionite: well, _usually_ you plug a device in, the kernel recognises it, sends the device information to udev and that creates the device nodes
[01:43] <yofel> but I don't know how to trigger udev by hand (if that's even possible)
[01:44] <ionite> yofel: ... alright...
[01:45] <ionite> yofel: thanks.. now i'm screwed with kde..
[01:45] <yofel> your issue has nothing to do with kde
[01:46] <yofel> any other desktop env wouldn't see it either, your issue is a few levels below kde
[01:46] <yofel> ionite: can you run 'udevadm monitor' as root and then plug the drive in?
[01:46] <yofel> what does it print?
[01:47] <Shirakawasuna> you can also look at the messsages you get when plugging it in - plug it in, wait 10 seconds, and type dmesg
[01:47] <ionite> yofel: how do i run udevadm monitor?
[01:47] <yofel> ionite: sudo udevadm monitor
[01:47] <yofel> ionite: when plugging a disk in here I get http://paste.kde.org/115117
[01:48] <yofel> Shirakawasuna: we already passed that -  dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/676282/
[01:48] <ionite> yofel: it doesn't print anything.
[01:48] <yofel> @_@
[01:49] <ionite> yofel: only this [ 2235.004703] [01:49] <yofel> that would mean the kernel doesn't even tell udev that it sees the disk
[01:50] <ionite> yofel: now i'm screwed.
[01:50] <ionite> yofel: thanks for u help gtg
[01:50]  * kaulbach makes more coffee
[01:51] <Shirakawasuna> right, lines 904-908 show that it's an issue with recognizing the drive
[01:52] <yofel> he's gone, but my last idea would have been to try another kernel, maybe there was an update
[01:53] <Shirakawasuna> my guess would be to check power
[01:53] <Shirakawasuna> if it's powered by USB, that particular port might not be properly powered under linux for whatever reason
[01:57] <Shirakawasuna> just a guess thoug
[01:57] <yofel> true, would be good to check too
[03:29] <ssfdre38> how can i get cURL with SSL support?
[03:29] <ssfdre38> and im using the distro version
[03:31] <SIR_Taco> should be a setopts for SSL
[03:31] <SIR_Taco> http://php.net/manual/en/function.curl-setopt.php
[03:35] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: indeed there are a bunch of options for SSL
[03:37] <ssfdre38> well im trying to get it set up on the server side
[03:40] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: ok... I have it set up on my server for a site I'm running... but I haven't played with the SSL part... what problem are you running into?
[03:41] <ssfdre38> i just need cURL with SSL set up on the server side and i do have cURL installed
[03:43] <ssfdre38> im trying to install WHMCS on my localhost to edit it for a new server that im going to be setting up soon for my companty
[03:43] <SIR_Taco> so something like: "CURLOPT_SSLCERT :The name of a file containing a PEM formatted certificate" from the link I posted doesn't help you?
[03:44] <ssfdre38> no it doesnt say how to do it server side only site side
[03:45] <SIR_Taco> it's for a website?
[03:46] <ssfdre38> ok i need the cURL with SSL set up on the localhost side cause the script is asking for it as a requirment
[03:46] <SIR_Taco> what kind of script?
[03:46] <ssfdre38> WHMCS
[03:47] <SIR_Taco> wow... ok... not what I was expecting
[03:48] <ssfdre38> you thought it was a simple self bulit script?
[03:48] <ssfdre38> built*
[03:49] <ssfdre38> im waiting for the server host to get cPanel installed so i can get it bulit
[03:51] <SIR_Taco> I'm wondering why you're using cURL to pull billing info from a site that you should have access to
[03:52] <ssfdre38> its a requirement for protection
[03:53] <SIR_Taco> ok, if you say so, but that seems odd
[03:55] <ssfdre38> this is the the requirements http://pastesite.com/25636
[03:57] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: ok, you can use cURL with PHP...
[03:57] <ssfdre38> i have it installed already but its saying its doesnt have SSL with it and i have enable SSL
[03:58] <SIR_Taco> using linux?
[03:58] <ssfdre38> kubuntu
[03:58] <SIR_Taco> ok, just making sure
[03:58] <ssfdre38> that is why im on here
[03:59] <SIR_Taco> do you get an error? or just no result?
[03:59] <ssfdre38> » CURL .......... You must have CURL installed with SSL Support for WHMCS to function correctly
[03:59] <ssfdre38> i have done sudo apt-get install php5-curl
[04:04] <[deXter]> Hi all, installed nvidia drivers and reboot the sysetm but now there is no display
[04:04] <SIR_Taco> http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl1_curl.htm
[04:04] <[deXter]> I can't even get to the grub menu
[04:04] <[deXter]> As soon as I see the message "GRUB2 Loading" the monitor goes out of range
[04:05] <[deXter]> tried a different monitor and it says "Unsupported signal. Check your device output"
[04:09] <SIR_Taco> [deXter]: do you get your BIOS screen at least?
[04:09] <[deXter]> SIR_Taco: yep
[04:10] <SIR_Taco> [deXter]: is/was your grub menu set to a resolution different than the default?
[04:10] <[deXter]> SIR_Taco: No idea, it's a fresh install
[04:11] <SIR_Taco> ok, and Kubuntu is the only OS?
[04:15] <[deXter]> SIR_Taco: yea
[04:18] <SIR_Taco> [deXter]: so... when you see your BIOS messages, hold ESC (I do believe) and you should get a Grub menu... you can boot into "safe mode" or whatever it's called and work from there
[04:18] <[deXter]> SIR_Taco: Yep I already tried that as I said before.. nothing happens
[04:19] <[deXter]> it goes into "out of range" immediately
[04:19] <SIR_Taco> do you know your video card?
[04:20] <[deXter]> SIR_Taco: nVidia 7600GT
[04:20] <SIR_Taco> ok, and what version of Kubuntu did you install?
[04:21] <[deXter]> SIR_Taco: 11.04
[04:22] <SIR_Taco> had it been working? or did it go that way after the install?
[04:22] <[deXter]> Yep it was working then I installed the nVidia drivers
[04:22] <[deXter]> and after that it got messed up
[04:24] <SIR_Taco> well then you probably have Grub 2... which is holding down "shift" and not "ESC".... you can get into the fail-safe mode (which is just command line) and apt-get update && apt-get dist-ugprade
[04:24] <SIR_Taco> may fix it... it's possible something messed up in the update process before
[04:25] <[deXter]> Again, holding shift doesn't work..
[04:26] <[deXter]> nvm SIR_Taco I'll try to figure this out on my onw
[04:26] <[deXter]> thanks for your time
[04:48] <neighborlee> anyone know why compiz is so laggy ..resizing windows isn't smooth and kinda jerky....and typing messags here in irc is causing a 1 second lag between 'return' ands eeing it show up in window...
[04:53] <[deXter]> well, fixed it
[05:08] <neighborlee> late here..tty tomorrow ;0-0
[05:32] <xubuntu> why doesnt buntu make drivers for broadcom wireless cards-one of the most widely used
[05:38] <anuvrat> hi guys,  I just experienced a weird problem off lately, The fonts changed to monospace on their own and the look and feel of using kubuntu even degraded
[05:38] <anuvrat> I tried changing the settings from Fonts section of System Settings -> Appearance to no good
[05:39] <anuvrat> What I don't understand is how can the settings change on one fine day without me fiddling with it :( .
[05:39] <anuvrat> And please tell me how I can get the pretty fonts back.
[05:41] <anuvrat> most of the html webpages are displayed using the same fonts and it is not at all comfortable to read them.
[05:55] <OJ_Simpson> Hello
[05:56] <OJ_Simpson> Can anyone here use Unity on top of KDM?
[06:27] <pgus> hola
[06:27] <pgus> hay alguien por aca?
[06:27] <bazhang> !es | pgus
[06:28] <pgus> bien, dale gracias
[07:06] <ubuntu_> как мога да си инсталирам MAC OS на лаптопа ACER ASPIRE ONE 150
[07:12] <ubuntu_> има ли някои да ми помогне
[08:05] <the_p> hi. i have a problem installing kubuntu the i can't see the full screen it is cropped at the borders such that i can not see the relevent stuff any more.
[08:06] <the_p> i already tried to change the settings at the monitor but i can't make the stuff apear.
[08:06] <the_p> also the aspect ratio is not the right one.
[08:06] <the_p> can i change the x-server settings of the installer?
[08:51] <blknite> hi all
[09:43] <anuvrat> hurray ... following the instructions at http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8251178&postcount=16 I was able to solve the weird fonts problem.
[09:43] <anuvrat> but can someone please explain how and why was deleting the ~/.fonts.conf the solution to the problem
[09:50] <ionite> why can't KDE detects my external HDD?
[09:51] <anuvrat> ionite, what exactly happens?
[09:52] <ionite> anuvrat: i used to be able to detect my external HDD not untill i used it on a windows xp, copied some files and removed some files.
[09:52] <anuvrat> ionite, do you know you can manually mount your external hdd too?
[09:52] <ionite> anuvrat: how do i do that?
[09:52] <anuvrat> I agree its not an exact answer to your question .. but might get your job done
[09:53] <ionite> anuvrat: please help me step by step
[09:54] <Zearta> Hello, quelqu'un si connait bien en histoire de partition etc?
[09:54] <anuvrat> create a folder in /media or /mnt where ever you wish to mount your external hdd then, fire
[09:54] <anuvrat> mount -vt auto /dev/sdb<x> /media/<your folder>
[09:55] <Zearta> aw ok only enlish people there?
[09:55] <bazhang> !fr | Zearta
[09:55] <bazhang> !partition | Zearta
[09:56] <anuvrat> ionite, where sdbX indicates the partition you wish to mount
[09:56] <anuvrat> ionite, fire man mount on the konsole for more information
[09:57] <ionite> anuvrat: if i want to mount in media do i type this: mount -vt auto /dev/sdb<x> /media
[09:57] <ionite> anuvrat: media is the default folder right?
[09:58] <anuvrat> ionite, yes you do type that .. but usually a subdirectory is created in /media for mounting external drives
[09:58] <anuvrat> you don't type say sdb<x> it has to be /dev/sdb1 or /dev/sdb2 ..
[09:59] <anuvrat> hope you are familiar with the naming scheme for harddrive partitions .. i
[09:59] <ionite> anuvrat: how do i know if tis 1 or 2?
[10:00] <anuvrat> ionite, okay you are not ... lemme find a page which tells you exactly that
[10:00] <ionite> anuvrat: i typed df -h but it doesn't shows my HDD on /dev
[10:01] <anuvrat> ionite, because it probably shows the drives which are mounted
[10:01] <ionite> anuvrat: so what should i type now?
[10:01] <anuvrat> ionite, look into your /dev partition
[10:01] <ionite> anuvrat: u can check out my dmseg paste bin if u want. http://paste.ubuntu.com/676476/
[10:02] <ionite> anuvrat: how do i do that?
[10:03] <anuvrat> share the output of ls /dev | grep sdb*
[10:03] <anuvrat> ionite, share the output of ls /dev | grep sdb*
[10:04] <ionite> david@david-NX116:~$ ls /dev | grep sdb* sda sda1 sda2 sda5
[10:04] <anuvrat> ionite, see your internal drive is /dev/sda<X>, so the external ones will be sdb sdc ... so on ..
[10:05] <ionite> anuvrat: permission denied
[10:05] <anuvrat> ionite, permission denied for what?
[10:05] <damno> I cant tab complete any file even if am in the right directory and going through the right spelling
[10:05] <anuvrat> ls?
[10:05] <damno> in the terminal
[10:05] <ionite> anuvrat: /dev/sda1
[10:05] <ionite> anuvrat: /dev/sda1 this i got permission denied even while i am a root
[10:06] <damno> terminal is behaving odd
[10:06] <damno> I cant tab complete any file even if am in the right directory and going through the right spelling
[10:06] <anuvrat> ionite, look for a /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc
[10:07] <ionite> anuvrat: where do i look?
[10:07] <anuvrat> ionite, if you are not able to get grep right ... you can manually even look at the output of ls /dev
[10:07] <damno> anybody?
[10:07] <anuvrat> list the files of /dev
[10:07] <anuvrat> ionite, list the files of /dev
[10:08] <ionite> anuvrat: i typed /dev i got this: root@david-NX116:~# /dev -bash: /dev: Is a directory
[10:08] <anuvrat> ls /dev
[10:08] <anuvrat> ionite, ls /dev
[10:09] <anuvrat> ls is the command for listing the files of a directory
[10:09] <ionite> anuvrat: http://paste.ubuntu.com/676482/
[10:11] <anuvrat> ionite, oops the external device is not even getting listed, was it connected?
[10:11] <ionite> anuvrat: yes the light is lighted up on my HDD
[10:12] <anuvrat> ionite, weird :(
[10:12] <anuvrat> ionite, try reconnecting
[10:12] <ionite> anuvrat: what's even more its that XP can detects it but KDE cant
[10:12] <anuvrat> ionite, its not a fault of KDE
[10:13] <ionite> anuvrat: ubuntu?
[10:13] <ionite> anuvrat: i've reconnected it.
[10:13] <anuvrat> ionite, you may say so,
[10:13] <ionite> anuvrat: i've reconnected it. what should i do now?
[10:14] <anuvrat> ionite, see if sdb or something appeares in the listing of /dev
[10:14] <anuvrat> ionite, that is .. fire ls/dev
[10:14] <anuvrat> oops ls /dev
[10:15] <ionite> anuvrat: no sdb. same list at the last one
[10:15] <anuvrat> ionite, sorry, I have tried what I knew
[10:19] <ionite> anuvrat: do u know who can help?
[10:19] <anuvrat> ionite, hang on .. someone will come to your rescue :)
[10:21] <ionite> anuvrat: are u sure? u mean now?
[10:22] <anuvrat> ionite, there are 234 users logged in the channel ...
[10:22] <ionite> ...
[10:22] <ionite> can anyone help me? I cannot detect my external HDD on /dev
[10:22] <anuvrat> and besides you can search the the internet looking for somebody who had faced a problem similar to yours.
[10:26] <ionite> can anyone help me? I cannot detect my external HDD on /dev
[10:31] <bazhang> ionite, patience
[10:35] <ionite> bazhang: how long should i wait?
[10:39] <ionite> can anyone help me? I cannot detect my external HDD on /dev
[10:42] <ionite> can anyone help me? I cannot detect my external HDD on /dev
[10:46] <excognac> hi where is ktorrent application by default? Which directory? cannae find it...
[10:51] <ionite> can anyone help me? I cannot detect my external HDD on /dev
[10:52] <Shirakawasuna> ionite: is it usb-powered?
[10:52] <ionite> Shirakawasuna: yes it is and i got this error message [sdb]  Result: hostbyte=DID_NO_CONNECT driverbyte=DRIVER_OK
[10:52] <ionite> Shirakawasuna: from my dmseg
[10:53] <Shirakawasuna> ionite: is it possible to also power it via an AC adapter?
[10:54] <ionite> Shirakawasuna: nope. it was working fine few days back not until i plugged it into xp to copy and delete some files.
[10:56] <Shirakawasuna> hmm
[10:56] <Shirakawasuna> ionite: so it was working with linux a few days ago, but stopped after using it with xp and copying/deleting some stuff?
[10:56] <ionite> Shirakawasuna: exactly.
[10:57] <Shirakawasuna> hmm
[10:57] <ionite> Shirakawasuna: check this out http://paste.ubuntu.com/676505/
[10:57] <Shirakawasuna> ionite: when you use it with xp, do you use the 'safely remove hardware' option?
[10:57] <ionite> Shirakawasuna: yes i did.
[10:57] <Shirakawasuna> k
[10:57] <Shirakawasuna> I know that with things like iPods, it's extremely important to do that to avoid screwing up its firmware/HD in general.
[10:58] <Shirakawasuna> and that even when it claims to be safe to unplug it, this is sometimes not the case (have ot wait for the HD to stop spinning instead)
[10:58] <Shirakawasuna> it might be that this one time, the drive got unplugged too quickly and something got messed up a bit - I would try reformatting (after backin stuff up of course) and if that doesn't work, seeing if you can mess with/restore firmware
[10:58] <ionite> Shirakawasuna: so what should i do now?
[11:00] <Torch> ionite: does it still work in windows?
[11:00] <Torch> ionite: also, that windows machine you used it on, is that the same machine or a different one?
[11:00] <ionite> Torch: yes it does.
[11:00] <ionite> Torch: it's a different machine
[11:05] <Shirakawasuna> ah
[11:05] <Shirakawasuna> I assumed you were dualbooting
[11:05] <ionite> Shirakawasuna: sorry ?
[11:05] <Shirakawasuna> have you tried other USB ports, preferably one on the other side of the computer?
[11:06] <ionite> Shirakawasuna:  i tried. check this out http://paste.ubuntu.com/676505/
[11:06] <Shirakawasuna> and also checking the BIOS to make sure the USB ports are powered
[11:06] <ionite> Shirakawasuna: it's all powered.
[11:09] <Shirakawasuna> hmm
[11:09] <Shirakawasuna> well basically your issue seems to be spontaneous disconnects
[11:10] <Shirakawasuna> it's conceivable that this is due to inconsistent powering, something weird on the drive side, aberrant usb settings, or something with the cord/connection itself
[11:10] <Shirakawasuna> the fact that things work on the windows computer pretty much rules out it being the drive or cord/connection
[11:10] <Shirakawasuna> so look into inconsistent powering/aberrant usb settings. Try a knoppix CD (or similar) and see if it gets recognized.
[11:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:12] <Shirakawasuna> also check for modules - lsmod | grep hcd
[11:12] <Shirakawasuna> if there's no results, sudo modprobe ehci_hcd
[11:12] <Shirakawasuna> then plug it in
[11:12] <Shirakawasuna> if not, sudo rmmod ehci_hcd && sudo modprobe ehci_hcd
[11:13] <Shirakawasuna> actually, try it without ehci_hcd as welljust in case
[11:14] <Shirakawasuna> uhci_hcd or ohci_hcd should be able to handle things
[11:18] <ionite> Shirakawasuna: must i keep my externall HDD plugged in to perform all the above?
[11:19] <cojack> hello
[11:19] <Shirakawasuna> ionite: you should, yes
[11:19] <cojack> KDE PIM 4.7 still is in experimental?
[11:23] <ionite> Shirakawasuna: i solved it.
[11:23] <ionite> Shirakawasuna: it was some bad files that made it unable to detect it.
[11:24] <Shirakawasuna> bad files?
[11:24] <ionite> Shirakawasuna: .3ga files
[11:24] <ionite> Shirakawasuna: but why would it stop a OS from detecting a HDD? hmm.. i wonders...
[11:26] <harr1994> can someone please tell me how i van compile a platform independent npn-gui code?
[11:26] <harr1994> edit: sorry for mistype can someone please tell me how i can compile a platform independent non-gui code?
[11:26] <Shirakawasuna> I don't know, ionite. That's very, very, very strange
[11:27] <aguitel> i am using choqok ,but this client is not sending private message, it say "this method requires authentication" why ?
[11:30] <ionite> Shirakawasuna: yes i tried again. i copied the bad files over and now it can't read the HDD
[11:39] <aguitel> i am using choqok ,but this client is not sending private message, it say "this method requires authentication" why ?
[11:53] <cojack> KDE PIM 4.7 still is in experimental?
[12:02] <BluesKaj> cojack, no it's official afaik
[12:05] <devil_s_shadow66> kolko kifli ima v marmalada
[12:07] <fayaz> aguitel: you need the latest choqok version(at least 1.1) and reauthenticate with twitter.
[12:07] <aguitel> fayaz, i got last version ,how reaunthenticate?
[12:09] <cojack> BluesKaj: how... I have still 4.4
[12:11] <fayaz> aguitel: Settings > Configure Choqok... > Accounts > Select you twitter account from the table > Modify > Authenticate with Twitter service
[12:15] <aguitel> fayaz, i did but same error remains
[12:15] <risky> afternoon :)
[12:15] <fayaz> aguitel: oh? try removing that account altogether and readding it?
[12:20] <fayaz> aguitel: never mind. mine's not working either...
[12:20] <fayaz> but i swear it was working a few days back :/
[12:21] <aguitel> fayaz, another good client for kde?
[12:25] <fayaz> aguitel: KDUu(mu/micro)blog is there. haven't used it. and not sure which package you need to install
[12:25] <fayaz> *KDE
[12:27] <risky> anyone here use ettercap?
[12:44] <szal> !liveusb
[13:37] <u19809> hi all, I had a system freeze and now I cannot login using kde-plasma-workspace anymore. kde-plasma-workspace-failsafe does seem to work ... what is the difference ?
[13:59] <xboxowns> Hey guys I have one question
[14:00] <xboxowns> My laptop have dual processor is there away to get kubuntu to take advantage of this setting?
[14:02] <jetscreamer> it should automagically i believe
[14:02] <xboxowns> then why does it act like cpu usage is 200% O_O?
[14:02] <xboxowns> and all I have is open firefox and open office
[14:05] <xboxowns> cpu 1: 20% cpu2: 30% weird
[14:05] <BluesKaj> xboxowns, seems normal for OO
[14:06] <xboxowns> OO?
[14:06] <BluesKaj> open office
[14:07] <xboxowns> oooh open office is cpu hooger?
[14:09] <BluesKaj> xboxowns, it's a large app , no worse than windows office suites actually
[14:09] <xboxowns> OOh ok.
[14:22] <jcgs> Hi, I'm having real trouble logging in on my regular account :( The password is fine, but I just get a little X cursor, and then I'm returned to the lgin screen again.  I think it's because I had a session that didn't close down properly. Can anyone help me track down and fix the problem pls? :)
[14:23] <BluesKaj> jcgs, how is your grub setup , 0 timeout or do you get a grub menu ?
[14:24] <jcgs> No, grub is fine, the problem is way after that, when I'm trying to log in to KDE
[14:24] <jcgs> Erm, that means I do get a grub menu
[14:24] <jcgs> Should I try and use recovery mode?
[14:25] <jcgs> Also, I should probably say I can log in to a terminal session fine :) just not KDE :(
[14:27] <phoenix_firebrd> jcgs: have you tried using the failsafe session?
[14:28] <jcgs> phoenix_firebrd what does that mean? is it an option in kdm? I think I may have tried it for it not to work...
[14:28] <phoenix_firebrd> jcgs: ya its an option in kdm
[14:28] <DaBigBoss> pici bruda ola
[14:28] <DaBigBoss> bazhang bro ola
[14:29] <DaBigBoss> ola bruda
[14:29] <phoenix_firebrd> !dutch
[14:29] <jcgs> phoenix_firebrd it failed :(
[14:30] <phoenix_firebrd> jcgs: do you get any error message from xserver?
[14:30] <jcgs> not to the screen. Would I be able to find it in a log?
[14:30] <phoenix_firebrd> ya
[14:31] <phoenix_firebrd> jcgs: ya
[14:31] <jcgs> where?
[14:31] <phoenix_firebrd> jcgs: /var/log/xorg.0.log
[14:31] <BluesKaj> jcgs, try the recovery mode , and  repair broken packages in the dialog , it may give some hints what's wrong as well.  then try updating/upgrading at the prompt , then rebooting
[14:34] <jcgs> The thing is, I'm logged on at the moment, just on a backup account, so I know it's only a problem with that one account. I was just hoping I could delete/recreate a file, in the home directory somewhere and it would be all right
[14:34] <jcgs> the only error is Xorg.0.log is "couldn't create pixmap for fbcon" no idea what that means
[14:35] <jcgs> Also xorg.0.log doesn't have dated or timed entries, only weird numbers in brackets. what do those mean?
[14:36] <phoenix_firebrd> jcgs: the log will contain the latest messages from the current boot
[14:37] <BluesKaj> no point in reading logs if the're just gibberish to the user
[14:38] <BluesKaj> I see that all the time m, to most ppl telling them to read the logs is like telling a newb to read the man pages
[14:38] <jcgs> I understand the text, I just can't tell when the entries are from, because I can't understand the numbering system , like I don't know when, 2777.609 was
[14:38] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ya he is right
[14:39] <BluesKaj> the lates logs from my experience are at the bottom of the log text
[14:39] <jcgs> Basically, I think the log is a red herring, because the failure doesn't generate an error message there. I would have spotted it if it was obvious :P
[14:40] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:40] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: does kde follow per user settings?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> jcgs, have you updated kde or a graphics driver  lately
[14:41] <jcgs> not as far as I know
[14:41] <jcgs> besides, I'm logged on atm, but just with a different account
[14:41] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, dunno , I have no experience with multiple users
[14:41] <phoenix_firebrd> jcgs: have you tried the sessions settings in the kcm
[14:42] <phoenix_firebrd> jcgs: there is an option called " start with an empty session"
[14:42] <jcgs> something more interesting is that kdm.log has a entry that says "kdeinit4: communication errror with launcher, exiting!"
[14:42] <jcgs> erm, what is kcm? and
[14:42] <phoenix_firebrd> kde settings
[14:42] <jcgs> i don't think so
[14:43] <phoenix_firebrd> jcgs: kde settings
[14:43] <phoenix_firebrd> jcgs: in the settings, goto startup and shutdown
[14:43] <jcgs> I'm there
[14:44] <phoenix_firebrd> jcgs: there select "session management" on the left panel
[14:44] <jcgs> kk, I've found "start with an empty session", and it's applied
[14:44] <phoenix_firebrd> jcgs: in the default leave option select "end current session"
[14:45] <phoenix_firebrd> jcgs: apply and then now try restarting the system normally
[14:45] <phoenix_firebrd> jcgs: kde 4.7?
[14:45] <jcgs> I'm going to log out, and try and log in with my normal account, I'll tell you if it works
[14:46] <mrphi> Hi.
[14:46] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: there was kdeinit problems in 11.10, but last update fixed it
[14:47] <mrphi> I cannot change my touchpad sensitivity on my laptop (Dell XPS M1530) with the latest kubuntu. I just cannot find the option. Can you help me please?
[14:47] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, yeah, I had them last week , we did a workaround
[14:47] <BluesKaj> it was fixed quickly tho
[14:47] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ya
[14:48] <BluesKaj> mr try installing synaptiks
[14:48] <mrphi> I did.
[14:48] <BluesKaj> mrphi, ^
[14:48] <mrphi> It doe not works. :(
[14:48] <mrphi> s*
[14:49] <phoenix_firebrd> mrphi: you cant find touch pad settings?
[14:49] <mrphi> It does not find my touchpad. And I cannot even change the plugg and play sensitivity.
[14:49] <BluesKaj> mrphi, that doesn't help ...what did you do that doesn't work
[14:50] <phoenix_firebrd> mrphi: did you check for the ubuntu supported hardwares list
[14:50] <mrphi> No.
[14:50] <phoenix_firebrd> mrphi: what is the product name?
[14:50] <mrphi> My touchpad works but the sensitivity is very slow. I am on a XPS M1530 (dell)
[14:51] <phoenix_firebrd> mrphi:  so the touch pad settings dialog says it cant find your touch pad?
[14:51] <mrphi> synaptiks just cannot find any touchpad, but I should change the basic sensitivity, right? :s
[14:51] <mrphi> yes
[14:55] <phoenix_firebrd> mrphi: i think you have to edit xorg.conf manually to set the sensitivity
[14:56] <mrphi> O.o
[14:56] <mrphi> There is no GUI option for that?
[14:57] <phoenix_firebrd> i havent used any touchpad yet, i am not aware of any gui
[14:58] <BluesKaj> afraid that model isn't in supported hardware list , mrphi , so as phoenix_firebrd says , you'l need to set the xorg.conf file manually if you can figure out what the settings should be
[14:59] <mrphi> It worked on the last kubuntu. :s
[14:59] <phoenix_firebrd> mrphi: try this command  synclient -l | grep -E '( MinSpeed| MaxSpeed| AccelFactor)'
[15:00] <phoenix_firebrd> mrphi: if that shows the speeds then the general Synaptics Touchpad driver is loaded
[15:00] <phoenix_firebrd> mrphi: and you can edit the xorg.conf
[15:00] <mrphi> "Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded?"
[15:01] <phoenix_firebrd> mrphi: so you know as BluesKaj said its not supported yet
[15:01] <mrphi> But it did with the last kubuntu. What does it mean?
[15:01] <phoenix_firebrd> mrphi: you have to wait or try and see if there is any driver given by the dell
[15:02] <BluesKaj> mrphi, check dell's site for an input devices driver
[15:03] <mrphi> I am on it.
[15:03] <phoenix_firebrd> mrphi: see if this helps you https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingUbuntuOnADellXPSM1530
[15:04] <mrphi> Thanks.
[15:04] <jcgs> It failed :( back to the backup account
[15:05] <phoenix_firebrd> jcgs: are you on kde 4.7?
[15:06] <jcgs> how do i tell?
[15:06] <jcgs> I'm on what ever comes with the latest staable
[15:06] <phoenix_firebrd> dolphin->menu->help->about kde
[15:06] <mrphi> phoenix_firebrd: do you think this can work on Kubuntu 11.04? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingUbuntuOnADellXPSM1530#Touchpad_speed_is_lame
[15:07] <jcgs> no 4.6.2
[15:09] <phoenix_firebrd> mrphi: it should most probably work, but always backup the original files before you try
[15:09] <mrphi> "/etc/hal" does not existe. :x
[15:09] <mrphi> -e
[15:09] <phoenix_firebrd> mrphi: then i am wrong
[15:10] <phoenix_firebrd> mrphi: try to find a similar solution for 11.04
[15:11] <victor__> I have one question.
[15:11] <mrphi> There is nothing about this issue in french and english. :x
[15:12] <victor__> How can I disable services of akonadi_* from starting up
[15:12] <jcgs> does anyone know a reason why an account might not be able to log in to kde? my main account on this computer is having problems, but I can't find any entries in log files about it :(
[15:15] <phoenix_firebrd> jcgs: from the kdeinit error message there seems to be a problem with dbus probably, have you checked for ant broken packages?
[15:16] <phoenix_firebrd> mrphi: can you paste the output of lsmod here
[15:16] <mrphi> ok
[15:16] <phoenix_firebrd> mrphi: use paste.kde.org
[15:18] <jcgs> no broken packages. what does kdm actually do when it starts kde? are there files in my home directory that might be causing it to get confused and then quit
[15:18] <mrphi> http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/465820/
[15:18] <jcgs> the thing is, it starts sessions with the backup account just fine, so dbus works for that one
[15:19] <jcgs> I'm sure this problem started when my computer had a funny turn because the heat sink was all blocked up with dust, and it kept turning off mid-bootup or something like that
[15:19] <phoenix_firebrd> mrphi: can you wait?
[15:19] <jcgs> is there some kind of file I can write in there, or take out?
[15:20] <mrphi> I can :p
[15:22] <phoenix_firebrd> jcgs: i cant figure what your problem is
[15:22] <jcgs> oh well :( not to worry, i just trawl some forums and stuff
[15:22] <jcgs> have a nice day
[15:24] <BluesKaj> jcgs, are you getting a D-Bus error ?
[15:25] <jcgs> BluesKaj: maybe
[15:25] <jcgs> there's an entry in kdm.log that says "communication error with launcher, exiting!"
[15:25] <BluesKaj> at login does a small dialo ask if you want to switch to qbus ?
[15:26] <jcgs> no
[15:26] <phoenix_firebrd> mrphi: your problem was already reported as bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/793601. you have to wait untill it is resolved.
[15:27] <mrphi> Thanks. I will follow this post.
[15:27] <jcgs> BluesKaj: at login, all that happens is standard X.org cursor comes up (the spiky-x one) and then I get taken straight back to the login box. No error message, no nothing :(
[15:28] <mrphi> Have a nice day. :)
[15:28] <phoenix_firebrd> mrphi: you too
[15:29] <phoenix_firebrd> afk
[15:32] <jcgs> BluesKaj: I just found i file in my home directory called "xsession-errors" which contains the text "must be connected to a terminal" could that have something to do with it?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> jcgs, what file is that ?
[15:36] <jcgs> there's 2, ~/.xsession-errors and ~/.xsession-errors-:1
[15:37] <jcgs> they're dated 15:28 amd 15:59 today
[15:41] <BluesKaj> jcgs, ok, does ~/.dbus show any error logs ?
[15:42] <jcgs> no
[15:42] <BluesKaj> jcgs, could you paste bin the the .~/.xsession errors , latest ?
[15:44] <jcgs> BluesKaj: all it says is "Must be connected to a terminal." with a newline at the end
[15:47] <BluesKaj> wonder if it's a user dependent kdm error...why it would be is a mystery . jcgs
[15:47] <BluesKaj> to me at least
[15:47] <jcgs> BluesKaj: that's my general feeling
[15:48] <jcgs> BluesKaj, do you know who could tell me what kdm actually does when it tries to log someone on? then I could try and solve this problem systematically
[15:49] <James147> jcgs: try moving ~/.kde ^^
[15:52] <jcgs> James147: I just found some dangling symlinks in there which I take to be a bad sign. Have moved .kde and will try and log in again. See you guys in a sec! :)
[15:57] <jcgs> Failure :( did the same thing, .xsession-errors has had its date changed, but same contents
[15:58] <James147> jcgs: and other uesers work fine?
[16:00] <jcgs> yup
[16:01] <jcgs> My .Xauthority was blank :( I think that migh have something to do with it
[16:01] <jcgs> how do i fix that?
[16:01] <James147> jcgs: you could try stopping kdm and running startx from a virtual terminal
[16:01] <James147> jcgs: just rename it
[16:02] <jcgs> I've deleted it now :) startx says .Xauthority is missing
[16:03] <jcgs> sorry, startx says "user not authorized to run the X server"
[16:07] <jcgs> sudo startx says Xserver already running, which it is, because I'm logged in as another user
[16:07] <jcgs> I'm going to log out and try again, see you in a sec :)
[16:11] <jcgs> Hi :) sudo startx sort of worked, on the kde menu I'm listed as root, some things are right but others are not
[16:11] <jcgs> am I supposed to be able to run startx as a normal user?
[16:12] <James147> jcgs: you are
[16:12] <James147> you shouldnt really run it as root ^6
[16:12] <jcgs> ubuntu forums won't let me look at posts without being logged in :( what's going on?
[16:14] <jcgs> James147: Well, afaik, on ubuntu it's always been this way, whenever i've tried to start x manually, i always get "not authorized" can i fix it?
[16:14] <James147> jcgs: do you stop kdm fist?
[16:15] <jcgs> i chose "console login" from the drop down menu, that stops it i think
[16:17] <jcgs> Sorry, I did a very n00bish thing of trying to get my terminal back by pressing ctrl-c and logged out. obviously
[16:17] <jcgs> kdm is still running
[16:18] <James147> jcgs: dont pick console login... log out press alt+ctrl+f1 then log in there and run "sudo service kdm stop"  ... try startx and when you want to start kdm again type "sudo service kdm start"
[16:18] <jcgs> kk will stop kdm first and report what i find
[16:21] <Linkmaster> I've got a pretty nasty partitioning setup issue going on. there was 4 primary partitions, and I deleted the swap and resized the last partition to create an extended partition. I then made three logical partitions inside the extended, and using  dd  , I copied the primaries to the logical, in the same order. I then installed windows in the new free space in front of the extended partition, and kubuntu in the remaining space in the last
[16:21] <Linkmaster> logical in the extended. I cannot access the other ones
[16:21] <Linkmaster> How can I find a way to regain access to the other three partitions in the extended partition
[16:24] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, does sudo fdisk -l show the partitions
[16:25] <jcgs> James147:  startx still says I'm not authorized, running X as root messed up a whole lot of things, like making root own ~/.kde etc
[16:26] <James147> jcgs: whats the exact error?
[16:26] <jcgs> having done a recursive chown, when I try and log in, it draws a grey box on the background and then quits and sends me back to the logon
[16:26] <jcgs> it said things like ".kde/config not writable"
[16:27] <jcgs> but that was before i did the change owner, and now i don't get an error
[16:27] <jcgs> I'll paste the contents of .xsession-errors which has changed a bit :)
[16:28] <jcgs> http://paste.kde.org/115243/
[16:28] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: let me boot up the linux real fast
[16:31] <jcgs> Sorry, I've got to go now, I'm going to church.
[16:32] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: yes, they show up
[16:32] <jcgs> I'll try and have another crack at this startx business when I get back, and worry about kdm later
[16:32] <jcgs> bye guys :)
[16:43] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, did you flag the extended linux partition(s) , or one of them as boot ? if so then make sure grub is still installed there
[16:44] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: yep, I made sure to flag the partition that orginally had the 'boot' flag when I was using gparted
[16:45] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, the inaccessable partitions contain data or / ?
[16:45] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: the partitions are accessible through a file manager, and show up in  fdisk -l  , as well , one of the partitions does have a boot flag, and I checked, and it has grub in it
[16:46] <Linkmaster> It looks...different though. I'm not sure exactly what Im looking at
[16:47] <James147> Linkmaster: whats your partition lay look like?
[16:47] <James147> layout ^^
[16:48] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, sorry , I'm confused  ...which paritions are inaccessable ?
[16:49] <Linkmaster> James147: sda1 is windows, sda2 is extended, sda5 is Linux[won't show up in boot menu] sda6 is supposed to be linked with sda5 and sda7, sda7 is supposed to be linked with sda5 and sda6. sda8 is kubuntu, and sda8 is my swap
[16:50] <James147> linked with? what do you mean by that?
[16:50] <Linkmaster> I'm not exactly sure[I'm doing slightly sketchy work on a personal computer that my school imaged]. All I know is, they worked when left alone, and now they won't show up in boot, but they are accessible through a file manager
[16:51] <Linkmaster> How can I make /dev/sda5[which has a boot flag] show up in grub?
[16:51] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, with rw privileges
[16:52] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:52] <James147> Linkmaster: if you can access them then try adding an entry in grub manually
[16:52] <Linkmaster> Thats what I was hoping could be done, but I'm not sure exactly how to do it now
[16:52] <James147> Linkmaster: try http://kagashe.blogspot.com/2009/10/how-to-make-manual-entry-in-grub2-on.html
[16:53] <Linkmaster> I think someone needs to make a website with a list of hundreds of useful links to useful things for linux xD
[16:53] <James147> Linkmaster: there is, its called google
[16:53] <James147> :)
[16:53] <Linkmaster> I'm aware of that one xD
[16:53] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/GRUB2+Bootloader+Editor?content=139643
[16:54] <James147> ^^ or that :)
[16:55] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: what is Linkmaster problem?>
[16:56] <Linkmaster> phoenix_firebrd: I've got it mostly figured out, uhmm...I'm following the 'add custom menuentry' part, but I don't know if the entry is (hdo,8) or not
[16:56] <James147> phoenix_firebrd: os not showing up in grub after doing something funky with the partitions :)
[16:56] <James147> hd0 no o
[16:56] <James147> not
[16:56] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: did he update grub after that
[16:56] <James147> hd<hd number>, <partition number>
[16:57] <Linkmaster> ah, okay. geek counting too
[16:57] <James147> may or may not differ from the sdXY numbers :S
[16:57] <rob> Where would I find a book on good book to help get me started
[16:57] <Linkmaster> hahah, it will in my case
[16:57] <James147> rob: to get started with what exactly?
[16:57] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: did windows overwrite grub?
[16:58] <Linkmaster> nah
[16:58] <Linkmaster> its a good grub with a fresh kubuntu installation
[16:58] <rob> James147: with linux
[16:58] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster:  what does grub update tell you?
[16:58] <James147> rob: any spicific part ;) there are quire a few books on ubuntu, as well as lots on command line
[16:58] <Linkmaster> phoenix_firebrd: it shows the opensuse partition, as well as the 'sudo os-prober'. I should restart first, before adding an entry, just to make sure?
[16:59] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster:  ya
[16:59] <rob> James147: this is my 1st time using linux so about anything would work.. Not sire where to get start at
[16:59] <Linkmaster> phoenix_firebrd: it doesn't show up
[17:00] <Linkmaster> rob: what are you wanting to do? Cause its really really easy to use :D
[17:00] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: what do you want to be added in grub?
[17:00] <Linkmaster> one of the three partitions that were formated to work with each other =P I'm not sure which one is the right one, though I'm going off the assumption of the one with the original boot flag
[17:01] <rob> James147: I got the idea of it but seem pointless to use if I dont understan most of what does
[17:02] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: what do you mean by work with each other?
[17:02] <James147> rob: generally its useful to play around if you want to learn things :) I found the more I broke the more i learnt... though https://www.amazon.co.uk/Linux-Command-Shell-Scripting-Bible/dp/1118004426/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314550862&sr=8-1  was an intresting read if you want to learn how the command line works
[17:03] <Linkmaster> they were originally primary partitions, and I dd'd them into logical parititions. When the computer boots, it uses at least one, but since it is a school image, its made to not allow us to do what we want with them. long story short, I'm trying to get the school image to show up in grub
[17:03] <Linkmaster> I'm going to use the one that shows up in 'os-prober' which is /dev/sda6 in the /sda2 extended
[17:04] <James147> rob: other things you can do if you feel like a channelge is try to install arch linux or gentoo... they both give you some basic tools (with lot of documentation) and guide you into guilding your own system... very good for learning the inns and outs of linux though can be fustrating to get working :)
[17:04]  * Linkmaster can attest to that
[17:06] <rob> James147: That looks like a good idea for me I learn better my doing..  Thank you
[17:06] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: if the os is installed properly, the grub update should read all the os installation properly and and and it to boot list. If it is not showing in the list then something is wrong with the installation
[17:06] <James147> rob: even just reading through te arch linux (unoffical) beginners guide will show you allot :) they go into quite abit of detail about parts fo the system
[17:07] <Linkmaster> well....how should I add an entry to the 40_custom anyways? I want to try just to make sure
[17:09] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: have you tried super grub or Rescatux
[17:09] <rob> James147: Ok good to know.. Yea that book look like a good idea but Im poor tryin to find a job here it a joke
[17:09] <Linkmaster> phoenix_firebrd: no
[17:10] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: Rescatux is best with a gui to repair, install grub
[17:10] <Linkmaster> what is rescatux?
[17:10] <Linkmaster> Is it like gparted?
[17:10] <BluesKaj> rob,  be warned, gentoo is a pretty steep learning curve for new linux user... I would familiarize myself first with easier to use distros like kubuntu
[17:10] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/rescatux/
[17:11] <Linkmaster> I personally suggest against stuff like gentoo until you are pretty good with Linux. I botched my first and second time doing it
[17:11] <rob> BluesKaj: kubuntu is what Im using right now on my laptop
[17:11] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: supergrub is a versatile bootloader
[17:12] <James147> rob: that book is intresting but not required :) you will pick up most things by just useing linux... though ti does show you some intresting ways of doing things they should be easaly picked up by jsut reading around the web and generally using linux
[17:12] <BluesKaj> right rob, well there's plenty to learn if you're new to kubuntu as well
[17:13] <James147> BluesKaj: rob: gentoo is a steep learning curve... but if you are trule dedicated to learn it (and read around the topic) both gentoo and arch rpovide greate documentation which explains quite allot... so if you read it (and ask when you dont understand) then you shouldnt have much trouble
[17:14] <James147> though I will admit :) the first time it can by fustrating when things dont work...
[17:15] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: +1
[17:15] <James147> (but feels so much better when you finaily to get it to :D )
[17:15] <phoenix_firebrd> yep
[17:16] <phoenix_firebrd> now its frustrating for me to work in windows
[17:16] <BluesKaj> yeah , like when you stop wearing a hair shirt :)
[17:16] <rob> Do you happen to know any tip to help me rember the Commands
[17:17] <James147> phoenix_firebrd: same :) mostl because you cant fix it... just work around its problems...
[17:17] <BluesKaj> anyway that's my opinion and experience with gentoo ..
[17:17] <phoenix_firebrd> James147:  he he
[17:17] <James147> rob: use... you pick them up prity fast when you start useing them
[17:18] <James147> rob: though remember "man command" will give you detailed info about 'command'
[17:18] <James147> rob: as well as "command --help" :)
[17:18] <rob> yes them are the few that i rember
[17:19] <James147> rob: and remember..
[17:19] <James147> !tab
[17:20] <Linkmaster> how to you build something as a Linux Kernal Module?
[17:21] <phoenix_firebrd> this was the one info i was not told at first, i later figured out myself
[17:21] <Linkmaster> *loadable kernel module
[17:21] <Torch> Linkmaster: what are you thinking of?
[17:21] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: i think its .so
[17:21] <Linkmaster> BCM1312 STA wireless driver
[17:21] <Torch> Linkmaster: and you've got the sources?
[17:21] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: got the source?
[17:22] <Torch> phoenix_firebrd: .so is a generic extension for shared objects
[17:22] <Linkmaster> yeah
[17:22] <Torch> phoenix_firebrd: kernel modules end in .ko
[17:22] <Linkmaster> I just want to know how to build it as one
[17:22] <Linkmaster> http://www.broadcom.com/docs/linux_sta/README.txt
[17:22] <Linkmaster> section 'BUILD INSTRUCTIONS'
[17:22] <Torch> Linkmaster: do the sources not come with a readme file?
[17:22] <phoenix_firebrd> Torch: sorry, i forgot
[17:22] <rob_> tab that come in handy
[17:22] <Linkmaster> http://www.broadcom.com/docs/linux_sta/README.txt
[17:22] <Linkmaster> This is the README file
[17:23] <Torch> Linkmaster: so what's the question? ;-)
[17:23] <phoenix_firebrd> Torch: may be .ko
[17:23] <Linkmaster> It just says 'build the driver as a Linux loadable kernel module'
[17:23] <rob_> I keep using dos commands that I rember from when I was a kid
[17:23] <Torch> Linkmaster: it says "make"
[17:23] <Torch> Linkmaster: that's all
[17:24] <Torch> Linkmaster: just run that command inside the sources directory and it should build
[17:24] <Linkmaster> Hmm...I thought it was supposed to be something special or something
[17:24] <Linkmaster> okay
[17:24] <Torch> Linkmaster: no, kernel modules come with an ordinary makefile
[17:25] <Linkmaster> ah, okay. I learned something new
[17:25] <James147> rob: :) yeah, i keep using linux commands on windows :p
[17:25]  * Linkmaster does as well
[17:25] <phoenix_firebrd> Torch: i am right its .ko
[17:25] <James147> (then get fustrated when the windows commands dont work like they should)
[17:25] <rob_> lol
[17:26] <Torch> cygwin helps
[17:26] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: i get frustrated because of lack of features
[17:26] <James147> Torch: yeah, but I try not to touch windows enough to warrent setting that up :)
[17:27] <James147> phoenix_firebrd: that waht I mean by work like they should :)
[17:27] <Linkmaster> I just tried to use a .deb file to install build-essentials, and its complaining about libc6-dev|libc-dev
[17:27] <Linkmaster> what do I need for that?
[17:28] <rob_> Im geting frustrated with all that linxu have to offer.. After the pass few day I feel llike kid with his 1st computer
[17:28] <James147> Linkmaster: any reason your not using the repos?
[17:28] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: they are certain things that you need to have for compiling a source
[17:28] <Linkmaster> I have no ethernet, else I would. I hate installing things from source
[17:29] <James147> then you need to get the debs for libc6-dev and libc-dev
[17:29] <Linkmaster> alright
[17:29] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: it should be available in repos
[17:29] <Linkmaster> I don't have access to the repos D:
[17:30] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: why?
[17:30] <Linkmaster> no ethernet
[17:30] <Linkmaster> on the computer I'm fixing that is
[17:30] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: have you tried the latest muon package manager?
[17:30]  * Linkmaster facepalms
[17:30] <Linkmaster> I have no ethernet on the computer I'm trying to fix
[17:30] <Linkmaster> My computer is fine, and yes, I use muon
[17:31] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: it doesnt need to be
[17:31] <Linkmaster> But the computer beside me is borked
[17:32] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: the new package manager allows downloading of packages from another computer and install it in the computer which doesnt have internet
[17:32] <Linkmaster> I might as well just link my two computers, if I know how...it'd be easier then installing and transfering
[17:32] <Linkmaster> really? tell me how. I was just thinking of trying to do something like that
[17:33] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: when compiling from source there might a lot of requiremnt of packages to be installed , so with the situation like yours you probably have to be very patience
[17:33] <James147> Linkmaster: any reason you dont just swap the connection over while you fix it?
[17:34] <Linkmaster> I'm confused now...
[17:34]  * Torch assumes the reason for not ethernet is no wirless driver...
[17:34] <James147> (or you woking off wireless?)
[17:34] <Linkmaster> I have no ethernet ports nearby. the closest one is all the way across campus
[17:35] <Linkmaster> My personal computer connects wirelessly. The broadcom chip, being propreitary, won't work out of the box. I need to get the wireless driver to install things, but I need to install things to get the wireless driver. Catch 22 in my case
[17:36] <James147> Linkmaster: yeah, any reason you dont download the .deb for your driver?
[17:36] <James147> (rather then downloading the source + build-essentials?)
[17:36] <avihay> you can browse the repositories manually, download the debs needed and transfer them
[17:36] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2011/08/
[17:36] <Linkmaster> I didn't think about that
[17:37] <Linkmaster> phoenix_firebrd: the site is blocked
[17:38] <Linkmaster> let me see if there is a .deb for the driver
[17:38] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: one sec
[17:38] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: does both the computer contain the same kernel?
[17:39] <Linkmaster> mine is *.38-11, his is *.38-8
[17:39] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: ok
[17:41] <avihay> http://ubuntu.mirror.cambrium.nl/ubuntu/dists/
[17:41] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: did you google for any .deb of the driver for that kernel?
[17:41] <Linkmaster> I'm doing that now, but I'm not finding anything downloadable
[17:41] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: can you give me the detail of the driver
[17:41] <Linkmaster> http://pkgs.org/ubuntu-10.10/ubuntu-multiverse-i386/broadcom-sta-source_5.60.48.36-2_all.deb.html
[17:41] <Linkmaster> it has no link
[17:42] <Torch> Linkmaster: apt-cache search bcm wireless looks promising
[17:42] <Linkmaster> I have no internet on the computer that needs it
[17:43] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/b/broadcom-sta/broadcom-sta-source_5.60.48.36-2_all.deb
[17:43] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: i am doubtfull if that if may work
[17:44] <James147> phoenix_firebrd:  why the source deb?
[17:44] <James147> Linkmaster: you probally want the other two in that direectory ^^
[17:44] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: i think its not a source deb
[17:45] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: naming error
[17:45] <James147> broadcom-sta-source_5.60.48.36-2_all.deb  ^^ sounds like one to me
[17:46] <James147> phoenix_firebrd: could be ^^
[17:46] <phoenix_firebrd> James147:  i dont know he wanted me to find the download link that webpage , so i did
[17:46] <Torch> unlikely. more probably ubuntu don't ship a compiled deb for some patent/government regulations/whatever reason
[17:46] <Linkmaster> phoenix_firebrd: dependency is not satisfiable: debhelper (>=7)
[17:47] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: without internet it is very hard to get certain this done
[17:48] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: without internet it is very hard to get certain things done
[17:48] <James147> namly fixing the internet :D
[17:48] <James147> Linkmaster: what you need to do is follow the dependencies and downlaod them al :D
[17:48] <James147> Linkmaster: anoying but thats why apt-get was written :P
[17:49] <Linkmaster> I knowww
[17:49] <Linkmaster> gahhh
[17:49] <phoenix_firebrd> i cant imagine how it be like to compile vlc without the internet, bad
[17:50] <Torch> Linkmaster: you can, on another machine, apt-get build-dep -d <package>
[17:50] <Linkmaster> but how would that help me?
[17:50] <Torch> Linkmaster: then grab the stuff it downloaded from /var/cache/apt/archibes
[17:50] <Torch> Linkmaster: and move the debs to the target machine
[17:50] <Linkmaster> ah
[17:50] <Linkmaster> Hmm..
[17:50] <Linkmaster> they are identical computers
[17:50] <Linkmaster> I never thought of that
[17:50] <James147> Torch: intresting :)
[17:51] <James147> ^^ might want to run apt-get clean first
[17:51] <Linkmaster> I tried, but nothing happened
[17:51] <phoenix_firebrd> the new muon package manager has made this more easy
[17:53] <Linkmaster> how do I use muon to do that?
[17:53] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: i will find a installable one for you
[17:54] <Linkmaster> thanks..
[17:55] <Linkmaster> Sorry to make you do all this
[17:55] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/qapt/+packages
[17:56] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: from this link download muon 1.2.0 and qapt 1.2.0 and install them in both the computers
[17:56] <Linkmaster> phoenix_firebrd: I have muon installed on my computer already
[17:57] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: that must be an older one
[17:57] <Linkmaster> Its completely updated
[17:57] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: whats the version
[17:58] <Linkmaster> 1.1.2
[17:58] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: it should be 1.2.0 or higher
[17:58] <BetaJunkie> Might anyone know where amarok stores it's list of podcast subscriptions? Not where the podcasts are themselves, but some kind of list of the RSS feeds?
[17:59] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: install the new one
[17:59] <James147> BluesKaj: ~/.kde/share/  then either config/amarokrc  or apps/amarok/...
[18:00] <Linkmaster> Okay...can I do that using muon or something?
[18:00] <James147> BetaJunkie: ^^ even
[18:01] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: try sudo apt-get remove muon
[18:01] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: also sudo apt-get remove qapt
[18:02] <Linkmaster> doing that right now
[18:03] <Linkmaster> well, according to the konsole, qapt doesn't exist
[18:05] <BarkingFish> Evening guys :)   If anyone sees a user called TommyMann turn up in the next little while or so, could you do me a favor and ping me please? I forgot how to request a NOTIFY on xchat :)
[18:05] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: the supported devices in the readme doesnt mention your wiless model  number, so the driver wont work for you , if i am right
[18:06] <Linkmaster> It has the BCM4312 in there
[18:07] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: you said 1312 earlier
[18:07]  * Linkmaster frowns
[18:07] <Linkmaster> did I ...?
[18:07] <phoenix_firebrd> yep
[18:07] <Linkmaster> I'm sorry man
[18:07] <Linkmaster> Its 4312
[18:07] <Linkmaster> I'm tired..I've had like, 12 hours of sleep the past 5 days
[18:08] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: then there must a precompiled one in ppa
[18:08] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster:  wait i will search
[18:08] <BarkingFish> Linkmaster, i might be able to help you alongside phoenix_firebrd - what make and model of wireless are you trying to fire up?
[18:09] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: thank you
[18:09] <James147> BarkingFish: its more an issue of downloading the drivers without a direct internet connection
[18:09] <Linkmaster> BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY
[18:09] <Linkmaster> Broadcom Corp.
[18:10] <BarkingFish> is it a built in or an external stick?
[18:11] <James147> Linkmaster: http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/bcmwl-kernel-source  ^^ download it and tis dependecies
[18:12] <James147> (assuming natty, if not pick the release first :)  )
[18:13] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: cool, you  found it
[18:13] <Linkmaster> its built in
[18:14] <Linkmaster> I can't download anything...
[18:14] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: its source
[18:15] <James147> Linkmaster: ^^ not even on the other computer?
[18:15] <Linkmaster> Wait, no, I found it
[18:15] <James147> :)
[18:16] <BarkingFish> James147, When you say he hasn't got a "direct" internet connection, how's he getting on here? :)
[18:16] <James147> BarkingFish: the computer that needs the drivers has no connection, a second one does
[18:16] <BarkingFish> ah. gotcha
[18:17] <BarkingFish> Sorry, I'm almost on the same level Linkmaster is - very little sleep in a rather long period of time.
[18:17] <BarkingFish> About 18 hours in the last 6 days.
[18:17] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: good work
[18:17] <BarkingFish> phoenix_firebrd, Being a prison officer living 150 metres from the front gate of the prison you work in has its downsides :P
[18:17] <Linkmaster> Heh, we both have it pretty bad
[18:18] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: seriously ?
[18:18] <BarkingFish> yep
[18:18] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: is this your hobby?
[18:18] <BarkingFish> ?
[18:19] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: helping in irc
[18:19] <BarkingFish> Mostly, yeah.
[18:19] <BarkingFish> As and when I can get on.
[18:19] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: thanks for the contributions
[18:19] <BarkingFish> np
[18:21] <phoenix_firebrd> James147:  the source contains some patchs , i dont know if it is already applied to the driver, i will be surprised if Linkmaster successfully compiled the source
[18:22] <James147> I have a feeling that package will build the driver
[18:23] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: with the patch or without the patch?
[18:23] <BarkingFish> dang. I'm having grief with kdenlive at the moment. I just tried rendering a video in MP4 2pass, and the rendering crashed.  All the crashes for some reason seem to be originaling from MLT
[18:23] <James147> phoenix_firebrd: if it contains it then why wouldnt it?
[18:23] <BarkingFish> *originating
[18:24] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: i dont know , i am doubtful, i guess you guys can takecare of him
[18:24] <phoenix_firebrd> Linkmaster: all the best
[18:25] <phoenix_firebrd> feeling sleepy, got to go, good night all
[18:27] <supermetroid83> hi
[18:28] <Linkmaster> I have a problem...I tried installing the gcc compilier, and it says it needs the gcc compiler to install it. I have a problem
[18:29] <balu_> how to do with kmail
[18:29] <James147> Linkmaster: http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/gcc  ?
[18:30] <James147> (o, that looks like a meta package that depends on the actual compiler ^^ :)
[18:30] <Linkmaster> yeahhh
[18:32] <supermetroid83> i have a problem when ubuntu starts the grub show me 3 diferents linux cores  in normal mode
[18:32] <KimLaroux> Linkmaster, try installing build-essential from the repos
[18:33] <KimLaroux> supermetroid83, how's that a problem?
[18:33] <James147> KimLaroux: thats kinda hard with out a direct internet connection:)
[18:33] <supermetroid83> why the grub show me 3 linux cores
[18:34] <KimLaroux> did Linkmaster say he didn't have internet?
[18:34] <James147> KimLaroux: yes
[18:34] <KimLaroux> I missed it
[18:34] <Linkmaster> I'm just going to go across campus...I'm way to tired to think
[18:34] <James147> KimLaroux: (part of a bigger problem of trying to install drivers to connect to the internet ^^
[18:35] <James147> Linkmaster:  )
[18:35] <James147> :)
[18:35] <KimLaroux> maybe build-essential can be found on a install disk...
[18:36] <Torch> supermetroid83: because old kernels don't get uninstalled when updated ones get installed as a safety net
[18:38] <supermetroid83> so how inistall the old kernels ?
[18:40] <riff> how do you make wireless connections when they don't automaticaly connect?
[18:56] <riff> how do you connect to a wireless network?
[18:59] <James147> riff: click on the network in the netwrok widget and type in the details ^^
[19:00] <riff> thanks i get that im a bit of a noob
[19:01] <riff> how do i see what is started up when i log in?
[19:03] <James147> riff: make sure "automatically connect" is checked
[19:06] <riff> is the widget the same between all enviroments?
[19:24] <K350> How do I check what sound device my machine is using?
[19:45] <raindog> What is the best way to install 11.10?  A clean install, upgrade?
[19:56] <Snowhog> raindog: Because 11.10 is in DEVELOPMENT, it would be wise to obtain the latest Daily Build and do a clean install.
[19:56] <raindog> Snowhog: That's what I was thinking as well.  Thank you for the input.
[19:58] <markit> hi, if for dependencies issues part of my kde is removed, is there a metapackage I can install that brings me back the basic stuff? kde 4.7 (ppa) in natty
[19:59] <markit> i.e. systemloadviewer plasmoid is not longer installed, but I've no idea in what package it is
[19:59] <markit> and don't want to go with try and error until I've restored all the missing packages
[20:00] <markit> or reinstall from scratch
[20:14] <SubCool> can someone help me force unmount and format a USB Drive..
[20:15] <James147> SubCool: why cant you unmount it?
[20:15] <SubCool> James147, idk
[20:15] <James147> error?
[20:15] <SubCool> im doing something wrong,
[20:16] <SubCool> sudo umount -f /
[20:16] <James147> SubCool: umm... / ??? why are you trying to unmount your root?
[20:16] <SubCool> im not- but which file do i unmount? /media/ or /dev?
[20:16] <TommyMann> barkingfish
[20:17] <James147> SubCool: umount understands both device files or the mount point...
[20:17] <SubCool> its not working..
[20:17] <James147> SubCool: so if /dev/sdb1 is mounted to /media/disk then umount /dev/sdb1 or umoung /media/disk  should work
[20:18] <James147> SubCool: what error are you getting?
[20:18] <SubCool> marie@Marie:/media$ sudo umount -f /media/P?
[20:18] <SubCool> umount2: Invalid argument
[20:18] <SubCool> umount: /media/P
[20:19] <James147> SubCool: dont use -f ^^
[20:19] <SubCool> umount: /media/P
[20:19] <SubCool>                 : not mounted
[20:19] <James147> ^^ then there is nothing mounted there
[20:19] <SubCool> the device is P? not P
[20:20] <SubCool> yet... there is..
[20:20] <James147> SubCool: ahh, "/media/P?"  is the exact path?
[20:20] <SubCool> ya. when its working. It supposed to be a liveUSB- but... it keeps crapping out.
[20:21] <James147> SubCool: try "/media/P\?"
[20:22] <SubCool> how do i just format the hell out of it? whne i unmount it, it says it not unmounted, but at the same time it does say its unmounted..
[20:23] <James147> SubCool: Ib think the problem is the ? ... its interperted by bash to mean any character
[20:23] <SubCool> i thought so too
[20:23] <James147> SubCool: does sudo umount /dev/sdXX work? (where sdXX is the device)
[20:25] <SubCool> ya, it kinda works, but i need to format it to hell so that i can make a liveusb out of it..
[20:25] <SubCool> i've been at this for days..
[20:25] <James147> what do you mean kinda?
[20:25] <SubCool> it just unmounted the device..
[20:26] <James147> SubCool: ok... then format it
[20:26] <SubCool> but for unetbootin to work, i have to have it mounted. but when i mount it i attempt to use the unetbootin, and it says it cant format it or smetoing
[20:26] <SubCool> i have, i have formatted it like 5 times..
[20:26] <SubCool> or tried
[20:26] <SubCool> i've deleted the parittion
[20:26] <SubCool> repartitioned it
[20:27] <James147> SubCool: try usb-creator (if your on *ubuntu) ^^ i find it works better then unetbootin
[20:27] <James147> (at elast for *ubuntu isos)
[20:28] <SubCool> im having the most issues with usb-creator
[20:28] <SubCool> it wont format the usb
[20:29] <SubCool> org.freedesktop.UDisks.Error.Failed: Error unmounting: umount exited with exit code 1: umount: /media/P: not found
[20:33] <SubCool> i just randomly pressed start on unetbootin- and it started working..
[20:39] <SubCool> ok, anyone wanna help me with my flash? i did an update... and flash is gone..
[20:39] <SubCool> i ahve uninstalled flash..., re-installed it... rebooted between. flash-aid for firefox...
[20:41] <BluesKaj> SubCool, what install/reinstall method ?
[20:42] <SubCool> BluesKaj, i dont have a link.. do u know a way that works/
[20:44] <BluesKaj> SubCool, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer , from the rpeositories , or your package manager
[20:45] <SubCool> yes... i use the software manager..
[20:52] <markit> solved my issue, probably kubuntu-desktop is the metapackage to restore all default programs
[20:53] <BluesKaj> apt-get install --reinstall usually does the trick
[20:54] <SubCool> BluesKaj, i have uninstalled/reinstalled them like 3 times..
[20:54] <SubCool> with a reboot in between. ima bout to reboot now. once my unetbootin finishes..
[21:05] <BluesKaj> SubCool, apt-get install --reinstall  will install updated packages  and files/dependencies . if any exist
[21:28] <sshtrk> hi guys. can unity 2d be installed in kubuntu so I can have all cool apps and unity all qt?
[21:29] <sshtrk> its kubuntu 11.04
[21:31] <sshtrk> fell free to tell me if its stupid idea :D
[21:32] <OerHeks>  well .. it is an idea .. wich will not work.
[21:35] <sshtrk> ok, I was one click away :)
[21:38] <sshtrk> do you maby now is qt raster suported in unity 2d? my comp is really slow on other graphics system. I have sis mirage 3 graphic card
[21:39] <riff> how do you set up compiz to work in kde?
[21:43] <DaemonFC> riff: That would be painful
[21:43] <DaemonFC> it's best to not do it
[21:43] <DaemonFC> it's supposed to be possible, but I've never had Compiz work right on KDE and it is a pain to fix after you do it
[21:44] <riff> okay
[21:44] <DaemonFC> I would suggest simply using kwin for compositing, which has been designed around KDE in the first place
[21:45] <riff> if i try to use that will it screw with compiz in the gnome enviroment?
[21:46] <DaemonFC> I wouldn't know
[21:46] <DaemonFC> Compiz hasn't really been designed around any particular environment
[21:46] <DaemonFC> Unity is the first desktop environment where Compiz has any kind of official status
[21:47] <riff> is kwin easy to use?
[21:47] <DaemonFC> kwin is the default window manager of kde
[21:48] <DaemonFC> it has two compositing modes, and one non-compositing mode
[21:48] <DaemonFC> it can be set up using Desktop Effects in the system settings menu
[21:49] <DaemonFC> it's fairly simple to configure, I think
[21:50] <riff> will have to poke a bit
[22:48] <SubCool> so it appears creating a liveUSB drive, and then UPDATING it is a bad bad idea.
[22:53] <jcgs> Hi does anyone know what's going on with firefox and flash? firefox tells me it's disabled my outdated version of flash, but i'm running the latest version! I just updated today!
[23:23] <SubCool> im getting issues with update/upgrade. Appears some of my updates didnt get properly installed, how to i clear them or whatever?
[23:24] <SubCool> error were encountered while processing: (list of 10 installs). E: Sub-process /user/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[23:35] <diney> estou começando linux agora, como faço para instalar programas e atualizações tipo adobe
[23:35] <PhilRod> !pt
[23:38] <[deXter]> HI all, unable to mount my external USB hard drive
[23:39] <[deXter]> Says according to mtab, /dev/sdc1 is already mounted on /
[23:39] <[deXter]> it's weird that it should think my external is sdc because sdc is actually my main drive
[23:40] <_deXter_> Hi all, unable to mount my external USB hard drive.  It says "according to mtab, /dev/sdc1 is already mounted on /" It's weird that it should think my external is sdc because sdc is actually my main drive
[23:41] <_deXter_> The external drive is being assigned to /dev/sdb
[23:53] <SubCool> im getting issues with update/upgrade. Appears some of my updates didnt get properly installed, how to i clear them or whatever?
[23:53] <_deXter_> SubCool, Look up purge or clean or something like that
[23:54] <_deXter_> apt-get purge or apt-get clean something of that sort
[23:54] <_deXter_> man apt-get for more info
[23:54] <SubCool> i looked- nothings clearing it
[23:54] <SubCool> pretty much get the same errors..
[23:55] <SubCool> clean says it completes- but i still get an error
[23:56] <SubCool> upgrade errors