[00:12] <jtaylor> hm seem to have figured it out, sound was set to my hdmi graphic card which isn't plugged in, setting it back to internal seems to fix it
[00:12] <jtaylor> I wonder why that happens after starting mplayer
[00:19] <penguin42> jtaylor: Ah interesting - KDE or Gnome?
[00:22] <penguin42> jtaylor: Last few weeks on KDE I've been getting a message during some boots saying something like 'We've switched to HDMI output on ... because it's higher priority in something'
[00:22] <penguin42> and then I have to flip it back
[00:23] <yofel> I did get that too, but has been stable for a while now
[00:24] <jtaylor> gnome/unity
[00:26]  * penguin42 doesn't know how it decides which way it intends to send the sound
[00:26] <jtaylor> the strange thing was that flash did still ahve sound
[00:28] <jtaylor> ok lost sound again
[00:28] <jtaylor> something else is still wrong
[01:35] <billybigrigger_> any major update b0rkages in the last day or so?
[01:36] <bazhang> billybigrigger_, no outstanding warnings in the /topic as of yet
[01:37] <billybigrigger_> ops are slow to post there sometimes :) easier to ask the crowd
[01:37] <billybigrigger_> and quicker respones that way too :P
[01:38] <bazhang> true; not seen anything in the many hours of scrollback though
[01:40] <billybigrigger_> any kde users in the house?
[01:41] <billybigrigger_> hmm no updates at all...
[01:44] <yofel> me, and no, no recent updates kde wise
[02:31] <Daekdroom> I had only 3 updates in the past 24 hours, I think
[02:32] <Daekdroom> but I'm using regular Ubuntu
[02:41] <Peddy> is anyone else's gnome shell crashing with  "gnome-shell-calendar-server[3019]: Got HUP on stdin - exiting"?
[02:46] <Peddy> hey jbicha - i'm just going to repeat my issue in case there is already a bug report. Are there any reports of gnome-shell crashing with "gnome-shell-calendar-server[3019]: Got HUP on stdin - exiting"?
[03:12] <jbicha> Peddy: I haven't seen that reported yet, but I've experienced that crash
[03:17] <ruffleS> guys.. i'm trying to create a live usb but i'm havin' no luck. unetbootin doesn't work and extracting .iso files into the USB flash drive doesn't work either
[03:19] <jbicha> ruffleS: did you try USB Creator?
[03:22] <ruffleS> jbicha i'm on windows, sorry, forgot to mention
[03:22] <urlin2u> ruffleS, are experienced with linux?
[03:23] <ruffleS> urlin2u yeah i think so
[03:23] <urlin2u> you
[03:23] <ruffleS> i guess so, yeah...
[03:23] <urlin2u> ruffleS, cool sometimes new users download a development before release.
[03:23] <jbicha> Peddy: I wonder if the root cause for bug 816762 is causing some of our instability though, haven't looked at the code to verify
[03:24] <ruffleS> i've been a linux user for a loooooooooooong time... i'm currently on windows now 'cuz i was not happy with previous 2 ubuntu releases
[03:24] <urlin2u> ruffleS, sometimes those dailies don't boot as well, in those csases I just try the next days, but I know the thumbloader that works for me.
[03:24] <urlin2u> cases.
[03:25] <Peddy> jbicha, even though I  updated through the ppa in comment #12
[03:25] <Peddy> ?
[03:26] <ruffleS> urlin2u well... i downloaded the daily build .iso file like 2 or 3 weeks ago, tried to make the live usb but it didn't work so i updated it using zsync and cygwin twice and i'm havin' no luck so far. i know for a fact that .iso file is working under virtualbox
[03:27] <urlin2u> ruffleS, strange unetbootin should work, there is this one as well. http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
[03:27] <jbicha> Peddy: oh, I use that PPA too, hmm
[03:28] <jbicha> Peddy: I'm annoyed that gnome-shell didn't release a 3.1.5 version, 3.1.4 is a month old now
[03:29] <ruffleS> oneiric daily buil images are now hybrid so i figured something might have changed which would stop unetbootin from working
[03:29] <ruffleS> build*
[03:31] <Peddy> jbicha, oh, I assumed you were on the Gnome development team for some reason. Do you have a say in the matter?
[03:31] <jbicha> ruffleS: this may be a bit crazy, but can't you try mounting your USB drive in VirtualBox?
[03:31] <ruffleS> it got me so pissed i even tried arch and i couldn't get it installed unless i had to wipe my entire HDD clean so it was unacceptable
[03:31] <jbicha> Peddy: no, I'm not really even a programmer, I do help with packaging and some minor bug fixes but this is beyond my skills
[03:32] <ruffleS> jbicha what do you mean? i think i could access the usb drive in VB if i tried so... i even tried to make the live usb using dd from within cygwin but i don't think i got it right...
[03:34] <jbicha> ruffleS: install Ubuntu to VirtualBox and then use that working install to burn the ISO to your USB but that's probably a bit of overkill
[03:35] <jbicha> also are you sure that your computer is set to boot from usb first?
[03:35] <jbicha> and you could save time by just burning to a CD if you have one
[03:36] <ruffleS> jbicha yep.. i can select it upon boot time by pressing F12
[03:36] <ruffleS> jbicha yeah.. i could burn it to a cd for sure.. i was just trying to save the cd for when oneiric is released
[03:36] <urlin2u> ruffleS, what do you see when the thumb is chosen at the f12 prompt?
[03:37] <ruffleS> urlin2u well.. on previous ubuntu versions i could see the USB disk option..
[03:37] <urlin2u> none now?
[03:37] <ruffleS> none...
[03:37] <urlin2u> no usb opton?
[03:38] <ruffleS> definitely not...
[03:38] <urlin2u> that sounds more like a thumb problem, have you reformatted it for a clean partition?
[03:39] <ruffleS> oh yeah buddy.. i did that too...
[03:39] <urlin2u> figured as such have to ask is all.
[03:39] <ruffleS> i must be getting old... i used to be so good at this stuff lol
[04:45] <bullgard6> My GNOME 3 does not offer TeaTime. What substitute can you recommend?
[05:07] <bullgard6> GNOME 3 does not provide Teatime. What substitute can you offer?
[06:11] <gaelfx> feature freeze happens when in beta, correct?
[06:16] <gaelfx> I mean, they won't change any of the packages in Oneiric after they release the beta, right?
[06:18] <urlin2u> changes go till the freeze at various stages
[06:19] <urlin2u> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[06:19] <gaelfx> oh, so the freeze happens per release then?
[06:20] <gaelfx> yeah, I was checking that, but it's not loading right now (China), so I decided to be a pest and just ask here
[06:20] <urlin2u> the link is probably clearer, but a change has been known to happen if a mistake is made, not often yhough
[06:21] <urlin2u> if you click on the info it will sort of explain, lol anything can happen really.
[06:22] <gaelfx> yeah, it finally loaded, after about 15 minutes of waiting, I think I found what I was looking for
[06:23] <gaelfx> I'm debating whether or not I should upgrade my Maverick install or just wait for the next LTS release
[06:25] <urlin2u> maverick will only upgrade to natty not Oneiric
[06:25] <gaelfx> haha, I shouldn't have said upgrade
[06:26] <gaelfx> I have it set up so I can reinstall pretty easily, separate / and /home partitions, but my / is on a USB flash drive, so I'm not sure if I should bother with another reinstall now or not
[06:26] <urlin2u> you mean a fresh install try it out first on a thumb or cd
[06:27] <urlin2u> different desktop then maverick
[06:27] <urlin2u> than
[06:27] <gaelfx> well, I don't have a CD and my experience has been that the liveUSB versions don't really do justice to a full install
[06:27] <gaelfx> I thought you could still use the Classic style gnome desktop in Oneiric though?
[06:29] <urlin2u> no oneiric is unity and gnome3, although I have heard that one can install a classic don't know for sure
[06:30] <gaelfx> well, I know that Gnome 3 has some major changes compared to Gnome 2, but I'm just worried about whether or not I have to use Unity?
[06:30] <Lynoure> recentry on HP Pavalion dv6, Kubuntu does detect that the battery is discharging if I unplug the power, but it still thinks it's plugged in.
[06:31] <urlin2u> I believe you have a choice of unity or gnome3, like in natty it is classic or unity.
[06:31] <gaelfx> ok, spiffy, thanks man
[06:31] <urlin2u> no problem
[06:32] <gaelfx> oh, do you know how to get the Gnome 3desktop running on a LiveUSB? do I need to add an option when booting it?
[07:07] <Lynoure> irc just went spookily quiet
[07:08] <Lynoure> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/399132 seems to be still/again? on, I better file a new one
[07:44] <urlin2u> defendguin, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[07:45] <defendguin> thanks
[07:46] <urlin2u> no problem
[07:47] <defendguin> i heard the boot times were significantly faster in oneiric
[07:48] <urlin2u> defendguin, hard to say really there pretty fast really, depends on your hardware to some extent
[07:48] <urlin2u> natty boots fast
[07:48] <defendguin> i skipped natty
[07:49] <urlin2u> Ubuntu shutdowns are the fastest for any OS I use
[07:49] <defendguin> someone practically gave me a mac book pro and i've been giving it a spin  for a while and never updated my old pc
[07:50] <defendguin> lion shuts down pretty damn quick
[07:51] <defendguin> as long as the hardware is well supported osx and linux are generally a toss up.  the key is imovie for me
[07:52] <defendguin> the multi touch gestures are nice too
[08:17] <yellabs-r2> hello there, i have tested ( tried ) Ocelot for the third day in a row, it does not boot into the graphic desktop, and hangs after the first boot logo then turns black and no desktop..
[08:18] <yellabs-r2> trying to trace the error , something with xserver i guess
[08:18] <yellabs-r2> cant connect to listeners.. IO socket or something like that
[08:20] <yellabs-r2> any one here that has an working ocelot ? I tested it on IBM lenovo T60 with intel graphic ( wich is linux friendly ) and Dell GX620 desktops ..
[08:20] <yellabs-r2> any tips are more then welcome..
[08:20] <yellabs-r2> or is it an known error / bug ?
[08:25] <urlin2u> yellabs-r2, try tapping the space key when power on at that first gui hit f6, choose nomodeset, and boot from there.
[08:26] <urlin2u> low graphics boot is what this is
[08:26] <yellabs-r2> thanks i will try right now
[08:26] <yellabs-r2> be back in a minute
[08:26] <yellabs-r2> :)
[08:29] <allu2> Hello, anyidea why in the hum how to say.. the button in upright corner that is used to logout opens me "empty" menu? is this known bug or just me?
[08:31] <allu2> problem occured few days ago and i dist-upgraded today yet it stays, i also tried "rm -rf .gc* .gn*" in my home but after restarting X there was no change
[08:33] <htorque> allu2: why would you do "rm -rf .gc* .gn*"? create a new user account and log into that one. if you also get the empty menu there, then it's a system wide issue.
[08:33] <allu2> htorque: is it enough to login as a guest?
[08:34] <htorque> i have no experience with the guest session
[08:34] <allu2> htorque: and to try reset some settings
[08:34] <allu2> well i'll create a new user just in case
[08:37] <allu2> seems to be system wide issue
[08:37] <allu2> htorque: no change with test account
[08:40] <allu2> hum by the look of dmesg i have problems with libglib-2.0
[08:41] <allu2> http://pastebin.com/yrxXGUw7
[08:41] <allu2> part of dmesg that doesn't look healthy
[08:45] <Volkodav> mactel ppa is down ? can't get it loasded for a while
[08:45] <Volkodav> loaded*
[08:46] <allu2> is there something wrong with libglib package? http://pastebin.com/N9LyJaYv
[08:53] <zniavre> hello
[08:53] <allu2> hello
[08:54] <zniavre> im using fallback session (gnome-panel) some icons are missing into systray like nm-applet , bluetooth and weather icons
[08:54] <zniavre> this is a feature or known bug ?
[08:56] <allu2> zniavre: perhaps you have gnome-panel from gnome3 and some indicators are not ported yet? or something like that
[08:56] <bau-> hi all, I have this problem: if I haven't a monitor connected to the server, when I reboot it, X doen't start correctly, so I can't access to the server via VNC, but only via SSH, why?
[08:57] <zniavre> http://i.imgur.com/71wyL.png
[08:58] <zniavre> allu2,  that 's right but i got this since alpha1 im wondering if dev are working on gnome-fallback or only unity/gnome-shell ?
[08:59] <zniavre> fallback session does not looks as a priority
[09:00] <allu2> well i have to kill X in order to logout from unity at the moment.. i hope it would be fixed soon
[09:01] <zniavre> my pc is too old to use unity or gnome-shell so fallback session is a way to keep gnome
[09:01] <zniavre> what is starnge cause gnome+ compiz work nicely but unity or gnome-shell is a pain to use
[09:01] <allu2> zniavre: i heard someone forked gnome2 in order to keep it alive
[09:02] <zniavre> yeah i read this too
[09:03] <allu2> i quess i should reinstall my ubuntu, it seems to have some weird packages on it :S like libglib seems to use 32bit libs on 64bit installation and segfaults all the time :S
[09:03] <allu2> or well indicator segfaults
[09:03] <urlin2u> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=121162 probably this is the fork
[09:05] <allu2> yeap
[09:08] <defendguin> wow i'm really impressed by the performance here
[09:08] <allu2> ?
[09:09] <defendguin> running from a live usb drive
[09:11] <defendguin> the last version i installed was 10.8 and this is much faster
[09:50] <bullgard6> [GNOME 3] How can I make that the program man does show the text of the manuals colorful?
[10:11] <Lynoure> is the digital clock widget 12h only?
[10:11] <Lynoure> (incapable of 24h format times)
[10:11] <Lynoure> I have not found a way to get it to show 24h time
[10:37] <Ian_Corne> ahaa
[10:37] <Ian_Corne> we'll see how many US ubuntu users are in this channel :)
[11:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:15] <bullgard6> [GNOME 3] What substitute can you recommend for TeaTime?
[11:16] <bullgard6> Lynoure: No. My clock is 24 hours. There is a setting tochange the default 12-h to 24-h.
[11:34] <BluesKaj> bullgard6, I'm looking to do the opposite, change from 24 to 12hr, the clock indicates a 12 hr setting in the date&time date format setting but it shows only 24 hr in the panel
[11:37] <bullgard6> BluesKaj: [GNOME 3] Click on the TimeAndDate applet in the middle of the first line. A window will appear. Click on "Settings for Date and Time" | 24-h time off.
[11:39] <penguin42> so, I thought this lightdm thing was supposed to have a really slick fancy login screen now - just looks normal to me
[11:39] <BluesKaj> bullgard6, kde here , I think Isolved it , the time zone was n't set properly, it was still on UTC , so i set it to America/Torornto
[11:39] <Ian_Corne> it looks fancy to me
[11:40] <Onlyodin> yeah, login looks generic and grey to me too.
[11:40] <Ian_Corne> i'll make a picture later
[11:47] <penguin42> hmm - I wonder why the differences in behaviour
[11:51] <Ian_Corne> https://picasaweb.google.com/106355347615911662717/Ubuntu?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCJGn7aKXyOqROg&feat=directlink
[11:52] <Ian_Corne> can you see it?
[11:53] <penguin42> yeh - that's swish
[11:54] <Ian_Corne> :)
[11:54] <Ian_Corne> /etc/lightdm/
[11:54]  * penguin42 just gets the old school grey box in the middle
[11:54] <Ian_Corne> lightdm.conf        unity-greeter.conf  users.conf
[11:54] <Ian_Corne> is your lightdm uptodate?
[11:54] <Ian_Corne>   Installed: 0.9.3-0ubuntu8
[11:54] <Ian_Corne> if you still have gdm, it might block I think
[11:54] <penguin42> yeh, same version
[11:55] <penguin42> ah, now in my lightdm.conf I have greeter-session=lightdm-gtk-greeter
[11:56] <penguin42> I also don't have a unity-greeter.conf
[11:56]  * penguin42 apt-get installs unity-greeter
[11:56] <Ian_Corne> might wanna reconfigure?
[11:57] <Ian_Corne> http://paste.ubuntu.com/676529/
[11:57] <Ian_Corne> aha
[11:57] <Ian_Corne> :D
[11:58] <penguin42> hmm I wonder why it gave a package could not be authenticated for that
[11:58] <Ian_Corne> 15:04:34  * apw is seeing some packages on gb.archive.ubuntu.com being 403 Forbidden which are readable fine on archive.ubuntu.com, as an example:  http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/brltty/brltty-x11_4.2-8ubuntu4_amd64.deb
[11:59] <penguin42> right, breakfast
[12:02] <Ian_Corne> right, afternoon snack!
[12:05] <jpds> Ian_Corne: I fixed that.
[12:06] <theadmin> A certain factoid says, "up to Oneric, GDM was used as the login manager"... what do you people use now?
[12:06] <jpds> theadmin: lightdm.
[12:06] <theadmin> What on earth *is* that...
[12:07] <Ian_Corne> ok jpds :)
[12:07] <theadmin> Hm, looks intersting
[12:07] <theadmin> jpds: Thanks
[12:09] <Ian_Corne> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fsylvestre.ledru.info%2Fblog%2Fsylvestre%2F2011%2F08%2F26%2Fsun_java6_packages_removed_from_debian_u
[12:56] <penguin42> oh that's going to be fun
[13:50] <pr0d> Hi, I really struggling to fully install my r8168 driver. The install scripts from realtek do not work, although a combination of many workarounds i can insmod the driver but not after a reboot
[13:51] <Volkodav> I keep getting the pop up for the password for my wireless for Macbook 7.1
[13:53] <BluesKaj> pr0d, have you tried wicd ..it works with most realteks
[13:53] <pr0d> never heard of it but i shall google it now
[13:54] <BluesKaj> !wicd
[13:55] <pr0d> seems quite over the top for my requirements
[13:55] <BluesKaj> !info wicd
[13:58] <pr0d> I had this problem with opensuse but the realtek installer work a charm. Seems a shame i cant get the installer to work on oneiric
[13:58] <BluesKaj> pr0d, what are your requirements ...I assumed you're looking for a wifi connection to work
[13:59] <pr0d> no, its a pcie 1Gbe ethernet controller built into my mobo
[14:00] <pr0d> I have fixed this problem on other distros but the installer wont work on oneiric
[14:00] <BluesKaj> ok ethernet should work right out of the box
[14:00] <pr0d> no, this adapter has never worked with the r8169 driver
[14:00] <Volkodav> looks like they changed the setting in fconf-editor in gnome3 - trying to turn off gnome desktop in xfce along with nautilus - earlier settings just not there ?>
[14:01] <Volkodav> gconf-editor*
[14:01] <BluesKaj> installer ? adapter ? , you said it's an integrated ethernet , pr0d
[14:08] <BluesKaj> pr0d, if it's a pcie 1Gbe ethernet controller, then you should make the choice in peripherals in the bios
[14:11] <pr0d> I am using "Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06)". This controller is known to not work with the default r8169 module. Following other people with this problem led me to use the realtek driver provided on their website. This works in other distro fine but oneiric gives me "FATAL: Module r8168 not found."
[14:12] <pr0d> Looking further into this problem led me to make the driver from source but this also fails with "/src/Makefile no such file or directory"
[14:13] <pr0d> with even more workarounds and headscratching i can finally insmod the driver but my linux skills fail and cannot make this change permanent.
[14:14] <BluesKaj> pr0d, check this : http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/linux/4020894-ubuntu-natty-and-r8168-lan-driver.html
[14:17] <pr0d> His problems are not related to my problems at all
[14:18] <pr0d> My NIC works fine with huge workarounds, the default driver doesnt work at all
[14:19] <BluesKaj> pr0d, did you see the part about changing the default network card in the bios ?
[14:19] <pr0d> there is no such feature in my bios
[14:20] <pr0d> my NIC that is broken in the onboard NIC
[14:21] <BluesKaj> sudo modprobe r8168
[14:23] <pr0d> FATAL: Module r8168 not found.
[14:23] <pr0d> the installer doesnt work on oneiric
[14:24] <pr0d> not sure if it works on other versions of ubuntu
[14:25] <BluesKaj> pr0d, seems nothing works for you , not even your bios
[14:25] <pr0d> this works fine on opensuse
[14:25] <pr0d> moved to oneiric for xen.
[14:25] <BluesKaj> pr0d, have you tried lspci , to see if the card is even listed?
[14:25] <Volkodav> any idea how to turn off nautilis and gnome desktop in xfce ?
[14:26] <pr0d> yes, the hardware is fine. After many workarounds for the installer i can insmod the driver and the NIC springs to life
[14:26] <pr0d> but I cant make the change permanent
[14:27] <BluesKaj> pr0d, that's due to the hw not being permanent in the bios..there's gotta be a way to change it
[14:28] <BluesKaj> that's your problem, all the workarounds in the world won't help if the hw isn't recognized at boot
[14:28] <pr0d> Opensuse handled this fine, I didnt change anything in the bios i just installed the driver and it worked fine!
[14:29] <pr0d> I can ever PXE off the card! just ubuntu wont install the driver without errorsa
[14:29] <pr0d> even*
[14:29] <BluesKaj> good for open suse , this is ubuntu...dunno if this qulifies as a bug or not
[14:31] <pr0d> FATAL: Module r8168 not found.   this is the error i get from installing Realteks provided driver for linux. Is this not a bug?
[14:32] <BluesKaj> file it and find out
[14:33] <pr0d> make from source gives error "strip: 'r8168.o': No such file"
[14:41] <topyli> realtek is a bug
[14:44] <pr0d> there is a built in bug reporter on oneiric right?
[14:46] <jtaylor> yes, ubuntu-bug
[14:47] <pr0d> E: Unable to locate package ubuntu-bug
[14:48] <jtaylor> its in the apport-bug package, should be installed already
[14:48] <jtaylor> apport package
[14:48] <charlie-tca> $ which ubuntu-bug
[14:48] <charlie-tca> /usr/bin/ubuntu-bug
[14:50] <pr0d> once i have insmod a driver and it works. How can i make this change permanent?
[14:52] <Ian_Corne> you could put it in your rc.local
[14:52] <Ian_Corne> but I guess there's better ways
[14:54] <yofel> pr0d: adding it to /etc/modules should load it at boot
[14:54] <pr0d> where should the driver.ko be located in the system?
[14:55] <yofel> ah, you built it by hand...
[14:55] <yofel> then rc.local would probably be easiest
[14:55] <pr0d> yes, i was forced to as the installer doesnt work on oneiric
[14:55] <yofel> that's run pretty late though...
[14:56] <pr0d> i need a proper robust solution really, this is going to be my xen lab
[15:00] <BluesKaj> pr0d,  one solution is to get a differnt controller card , NICs are cheap theses days , and surely you can find one that works on ubuntu,  without much trouble.
[15:01] <Ian_Corne> yofel: he could put it in the earlier run levels
[15:01] <pr0d> I already have, i am using an intel pcie adapter right now. But this card will be passed through to VMs and need a backbone controller for Dom0. All expansion slots are exhausted with other hardware i need
[15:04] <pr0d> I really need this adapter to work correctly or i will need to go back to opensuse and ive been waiting so long for ubuntu to use xen again :S
[15:05] <yofel> Ian_Corne: you do know that we're using upstart?
[15:09] <Ian_Corne> oh right :p
[15:09] <Ian_Corne> but the rc levels are still used, right?
[15:11]  * Ian_Corne admist he doesn't know much about upstart/init/rc
[15:12] <pr0d> is there no driver repo for realtek in ubuntu?
[15:12] <pr0d>  /cry
[15:13] <pr0d> I really dont understand why make fails
[15:13] <pr0d> i cant even build the driver without errors
[15:13] <pr0d> and huge workaround
[15:13] <Ian_Corne> pr0d: you said it worked on earlier version?
[15:14] <Ian_Corne> versions*
[15:14] <Ian_Corne> of ubuntu
[15:14] <carli2> hi
[15:14] <pr0d> not sure if it works on earlier ubuntu, have been using opensuse since i bought this hardware
[15:14] <carli2> does the ui freeze also affect the classic desktop?
[15:14] <carli2> and is it a bug that a lot of settings managers are missing?
[15:14] <Ian_Corne> carli2: there is no classic desktop.
[15:15] <carli2> or are the settings managers also freezed?
[15:15] <pr0d> carli2. are you getting short freezes?
[15:15] <carli2> pr0d: no i'm meaning the ubuntu releace policy
[15:15] <pr0d> oh, sorry :)
[15:16] <charlie-tca> carli2: UI freeze and beta1 freeze affects everything in Ubuntu
[15:16] <pr0d> I was getting short freezes in my desktop with opensource nvidia drivers
[15:16] <carli2> Ian_Corne: i installed the fallback package because unity has dropped everything that worked before
[15:17] <carli2> charlie-tca: there are bugs with gtk and Tabs and scrollbars
[15:17] <charlie-tca> of courese
[15:17] <carli2> charlie-tca: and the window property settings are missing
[15:17] <charlie-tca> bugs are expected at this point in a development release
[15:18] <carli2> charlie-tca: and the gnome-panel of the fallback mode is kinda unflexible; is that bug (fixable) or feature(freezed)?
[15:18] <bullgard6> [GNOME 3] What substitute can you recommend for TeaTime?
[15:18] <charlie-tca> fallback as you have been told is Unity2d, not gnome
[15:18] <charlie-tca> the panel in unity is not the gnome-panel
[15:19] <charlie-tca> bullgard6: as far as I know, there is no substitute
[15:19] <carli2> also the nm-applet does not allow me to connect to a network. (i finally edited /etc/network/interfaces)
[15:19] <bullgard6> charlie-tca: hm
[15:19] <carli2> i chose "Ubuntu Classic (without effects)" in gdm
[15:20] <charlie-tca> carli2: in Oneiric?
[15:20] <charlie-tca> which now uses lightdm?
[15:20] <carli2> charlie-tca: yes, i installed a package
[15:20] <carli2> i need the window properties... i need teh window autofocus. why is that feature removed?
[15:21] <carli2> i also want to use kmod4 instead of Alt to move windows around
[15:21] <charlie-tca> You should ask in #ayatana, where those decisions are made
[15:21] <carli2> i installed gnome-session-fallback
[15:22] <Ian_Corne> !info gnome-session-fallback
[15:22] <carli2> these sessions shouldnt be using unity
[15:22] <Ian_Corne> This package contains the required components for the GNOME 3 fallback session, based on the GNOME Panel. It can be started from a display manager such as GDM, and doesn´t have specific hardware requirements.
[15:22] <charlie-tca> Okay
[15:23] <Ian_Corne> they use gnome3/gnome-shell I think
[15:23] <carli2> :o i can choose between gnome3 and unity? thats weird
[15:24] <Ian_Corne> yes
[15:24] <carli2> gnome2 was the most advanced and bug-free desktop supporting multi monitor, a customizable panel and other fancy things
[15:24] <Ian_Corne> why is that weird?
[15:24] <Ian_Corne> carli2: i think you're really looking to stay with gnome2, there's a fork of ubuntu
[15:24] <Ian_Corne> that will support gnome2
[15:24] <Ian_Corne> for the moment, I'd advise staying on 10.04
[15:24] <pr0d> Thats good to know, im no0t a big fan of unity myself either
[15:25] <Ian_Corne> I doubt it'll get good support tho
[15:25] <carli2> i once shared ubuntu with everyone, but nowadays, i only recommend LTS.
[15:25] <pr0d> I think unity still needs lots of work
[15:26] <Ian_Corne> carli2: I always advise LTS to everyone
[15:26] <carli2> unity has a lot of fancy delays that make menus look better but destroy usability for a power user
[15:26] <Ian_Corne> unless they *need* cutting edge
[15:26] <carli2> well, i myself need cutting edge. (but i can compile kernel 3.1 for LTS for myself, too)
[15:27] <Ian_Corne> there's also ppa's
[15:27] <pr0d> i must say though unity has improved a lot from the 10.04 netbook release :D
[15:28] <pr0d> I cant recall ever swearing as much as when i first installed that on my acer one.
[15:28] <carli2> what i'm missing most is the ability to change the settings of some things
[15:29] <pr0d> or was it 10.10?
[15:29] <Ian_Corne> in 12.04 it will be very nice
[15:29] <pr0d> hopefully
[15:29] <carli2> 12.04 LTS??
[15:30] <carli2> i need the autofocus back..
[15:30] <carli2> i'm always closing the wrong tabs in the wrong programs
[15:32] <carli2> what i hate at windows is that i have to click on a window when i want to have keyboard focus. oneiric introduced that feature :S
[15:36] <Ian_Corne> carli2: !
[15:36] <Ian_Corne> apt-get install gnome-tweak-tool
[15:37] <Ian_Corne> and then go to window
[15:37] <carli2> gnome-tweak-tool installs mutter :o
[15:37] <Ian_Corne> you can select it there :)
[15:37] <Ian_Corne> yeah don't mind that :p
[15:37] <Ian_Corne> it works ;-)
[15:38] <carli2> i'm using the same gconf than with 10.04 where autofocus is set on. but 11.10 seems to not take care of this flag
[15:39] <Ian_Corne> because it's not gnome2 anymore..
[15:39] <Ian_Corne> get that in your head please
[15:40] <carli2> the dialog of the tweak tool is too small and i cant resize it
[15:40] <carli2> i have to guess what is written on the buttons
[15:41] <carli2> and the tweak-tool's changes dont have any effect on my running system
[15:41] <Ian_Corne> it works for me
[15:41] <Ian_Corne> but maybe that's because you're in the "fallback" session
[15:41] <Ian_Corne> which i have no clue what it is
[15:42] <carli2> i'll try to run mutter instead of metacity
[15:42] <carli2> aaah :) works
[15:44] <carli2> and now the missing settings managers...
[15:47] <Ian_Corne> ccsm
[15:47] <Ian_Corne> is your best bet
[15:47] <carli2> not that. gnome-window-properties was the old name
[15:48] <carli2> and the settings window is moved to a place where i dont want it after returning back to the main settings menu
[15:49] <carli2> ccsm dosent start. i'm working with gconf-editor
[15:49] <carli2> oh, the start of ccsm was delayed
[15:50] <carli2> and the ccsm window closed when i wanted to disable "composite"
[15:55] <Ian_Corne> i'm gonna stop helping you now, you obviously don't want ANY change, and if you don't want that, just stay on 10.04 or move to another distro.
[15:55] <Ian_Corne> Bye
[15:55] <graingert> heya
[15:56] <graingert> why does installing zsnes on ubuntu 11.10 remove ubuntu-desktop and vlc?
[15:56] <Ian_Corne> graingert: 64 bit?
[15:57] <graingert> Ian_Corne: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/676630/ yep
[15:57] <graingert> it seems a bit dangerous
[15:57] <Ian_Corne> I think it has to do with the multiarch problems
[15:57] <Ian_Corne> don't do it.
[15:57] <carli2> Ian_Corne: the problem is not that sth is different but that the fastest way to use XYZ on the older system was much faster than on the new system. plus it's unfinished and i'm giving hints where the priority is. are you a developer?
[15:57] <Ian_Corne> no
[15:57] <graingert> yeah can this package be disabled for newbs?
[15:57] <Ian_Corne> well, not for ubuntu
[15:57] <graingert> as they might just mash y a lot
[15:58] <Ian_Corne> graingert: i think the problems should not be there anymore when 11.10 releases
[15:58] <graingert> Ian_Corne: you hope
[15:58] <graingert> also
[15:59] <graingert> ubuntu 11.10 seems to have either upgraded my wireless card to 5ghz or hacked into my router and set the 5ghz channel to 2.4
[15:59] <Ian_Corne> :D
[15:59] <graingert> I can't decide what is more likely
[15:59] <Ian_Corne> well, maybe the new module in the 3.0 kernel enabled that?
[15:59] <graingert> as I am currently chatting to you one something that shouldn't be working
[15:59] <carli2> ah, another question: where can i set the number of virtual desktops in unity?
[16:01] <graingert> ccsm
[16:01] <graingert> afaik
[16:01] <graingert> carli2:
[16:01] <graingert> ^
[16:02] <carli2> the user interface for the settings needs a lot more work. i remember 11.04 had nearly nothing customizable
[16:04] <graingert> carli2: it's not supposed to be customizable
[16:04] <graingert> otherwise you will ruin the ubuntu look
[16:04] <graingert> what happned to the gear/power combined button
[16:05] <graingert> it seems to be a power button with a gear hanging from it
[16:05] <carli2> :o when i want to have a system with a cool look that is not customizable, i buy a mac.
[16:05] <graingert> carli2: k
[16:12] <Ian_Corne> except you can still change stuff, just not when you're using unity
[16:13] <Ian_Corne> apt-get install any other wm/de and you're good to go
[16:13] <Ian_Corne> so stop ragin on unity, you've got options.
[16:13] <carli2> hey, that's my feedback.
[16:14] <carli2> i could have been changed to lxde like linus, but i want to help improving the std. desktop of ubuntu, because that's what users see first
[16:14] <Ian_Corne> you're giving feedback on descisions already made
[16:14] <carli2> to remove some features instead of hiding them?
[16:16] <Ian_Corne> there's nothing remove
[16:16] <Ian_Corne> removed
[16:16] <Ian_Corne> the settings stuff was never there in unity
[16:16] <Ian_Corne> it's not added
[16:16] <Ian_Corne> nothing is removed
[16:16] <carli2> it's a lot of unimplemented or unfinished stuff
[16:17] <Ian_Corne> i'm sorry, i'm not gonna discuss further with you
[16:17] <Ian_Corne> goodbye
[16:18] <carli2> youre not a developer, so you cant change anything anyways. the only thing you can do here is to defend the "unfinished" status of the project with "it has to be so". that's weak
[16:24] <Ian_Corne> I'm worried about the state udev is in, and has been in since a while now...
[16:27] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: I'm not aware of having udev problems recently - what are you seeing?
[16:29] <Ian_Corne> penguin42: can you try starting jockey
[16:29] <penguin42> sure
[16:30] <penguin42> dbus errors on both machines
[16:30] <Ian_Corne> yes
[16:31] <Ian_Corne> I get dbus errors when I start my machine too
[16:31] <Ian_Corne> altho i don't now, or at least don't see them..
[16:31] <penguin42> ooh actually looking at the boot log I'm seeing abunch of udev warnings in 45-libnjb5-rules - they're warnings though
[16:32] <penguin42> but they're minor warnings about a pending deprecation
[16:33] <Ian_Corne> is that in /var/log/boot.log?
[16:33] <penguin42> nod
[16:33] <Ian_Corne> i have 6 lines in there..
[16:33] <Ian_Corne> no errors
[16:33] <Ian_Corne> it seems very little..
[16:33] <Ian_Corne> maybe i should remove the quiet parameter?
[16:34]  * penguin42 wouldn't unless you have a nasty problem
[16:34] <Ian_Corne> what does that do, except not surpess the log msgs?
[16:35] <Ian_Corne> well, i would like to try the fglrx but I want to install it via jockey :)
[16:35] <Ian_Corne> so dbus has to be fixed
[16:35] <Ian_Corne> but i don't see what could be wrong
[16:35] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: dbus is just a transport, the jockey error might be dbus itself or something that should be but isn't listening on it
[16:37] <Ian_Corne> ah
[16:42]  * penguin42 could do with learning more about how to debug python gtk apps
[17:08] <graingert> anyone know where to get the adwaita theme?
[17:09] <jbicha> graingert: gnome-themes-standard
[17:09] <graingert> it's not available in the apperance dialogue
[17:10] <graingert> I only have ambience and radience
[17:10] <jbicha> right, you'll need gnome-tweak-tool or dconf-editor to change to adwaita
[17:14] <graingert> that sucks a bit jbicha
[17:15] <graingert> actually that's really neat
[17:28] <graingert> hm
[17:36] <carli2> awesome with some tweaks is the best wm for oneiric imho
[17:58] <Punkoff> Just installed & updated Oneiric, and can't find keyboard layout settings anywhere. Googling Ubuntu forums suggest that it has been moved to Language Support window, but it's not there.
[17:58] <Punkoff> Only "Keyboard input method system" switch.
[18:01] <carli2> its part of the oneiric look&feel that you dont have the settings ;)
[18:01] <carli2> and the serious version: oneiric uses a new gnome version and it dosent have all the settings widgets implemented yet
[18:04] <Punkoff> carli2, can I fix the layout via gconf/dconf editor?
[18:05] <carli2> Punkoff: some things can be tweaked because they are there but have no interface; other things dont work because the new gnome is kinda written from ground up
[18:06] <Punkoff> Gnome3 has been released already so I suppose it DOES contain keyboard preferences (:
[18:06] <carli2> but things like kbd layout are managed by x afaik.
[18:06] <Punkoff> I can fix it with setxkbmap, but would prefer the gnome way
[18:06] <carli2> there is no gnome way yet.
[18:07] <carli2> the settings manager is now one big app instead of lots of small managers
[18:07] <carli2> that needs a rewrite of all dialogs
[18:10] <jbicha> Punkoff: bug 834523
[18:10] <jbicha> carli2: there is a GNOME way, Ubuntu uses a different locale tool though
[18:38] <jo-erlend> how do I create a launcher in oneiric?
[18:38] <jo-erlend> do I have to write the desktop files manually now?
[18:39] <jbicha> jo-erlend: you can try copying the /usr/share/applications/*.desktop to your Desktop or wherever you need it
[18:40] <jo-erlend> jbicha, I'm trying to create one, not copy one.
[18:40] <jo-erlend> but I take it I now need to write them by hand?
[18:41] <jbicha> jo-erlend: you could try alacarte if it still works
[18:41] <jo-erlend> it doesn't.
[18:41] <jo-erlend> well, it runs, but it crashes if I try to create an entry.
[18:41] <jbicha> then yes... :-(
[18:42] <jbicha> alacarte wasn't updated for the gnome-menus update
[18:42] <jo-erlend> I don't understand why that had to be removed.
[18:46] <jbicha> jo-erlend: it had to be removed because we don't ship gnome-panel anymore
[18:46] <jo-erlend> so we've come full circle then. This is why I waited so long about switching to gnome. :)
[18:46] <jo-erlend> jbicha, hmm? Nautilus used to have an entry to create launcher.
[18:47] <jbicha> install gnome-panel, copy any .desktop to your Desktop, then run gnome-desktop-item-edit name.desktop
[18:47] <jbicha> jo-erlend: right, but gnome-desktop-item-edit is shipped in gnome-panel so it wouldn't work without that
[18:56] <jo-erlend> oh, ok.
[18:59] <mongy> what exactly is the online accounts for.
[18:59] <mongy> I have enabled it, and all the options are enabled but what exactly does it do and where does it do it :
[19:00] <urlin2u> mongy, the cloud?
[19:01] <urlin2u> ubuntu one
[19:01] <mongy> no, the option in oneiric
[19:01] <mongy> in system settings
[19:01] <mongy> I have added my google account (the only choice there is)
[19:02] <urlin2u> I don't have oneiric installed right now
[19:05] <jo-erlend> mongy, I think it's to setup IM, calendar, contacts and email automatically.
[19:05] <jo-erlend> you'll just enter your Google username and password, and everything is configured for you. You can choose which services to use.
[19:05] <mongy> very snazzy
[19:06] <jo-erlend> indeed.
[19:06] <jbicha> the calendar part at least requires evolution
[19:07] <jo-erlend> ... presently.
[19:07] <bullgard6> What do the 4 fields of the Base status bar mean?
[19:07] <jbicha> it's still in early beta so only Google is available, but Twitter & Facebook support will be added later (not sure if they'll be enabled for Oneiric though)
[19:08] <jbicha> bullgard6: what base?
[19:08] <bullgard6> jbicha: There is only one Base program.
[19:08] <jo-erlend> never heard of it, I think.
[19:09] <jbicha> bullgard6: ok, do you mean LibreOffice Base?
[19:09] <bullgard6> jbicha: Yes.
[19:09] <jbicha> sorry, I don't really use that app, you could try Help though
[19:10] <Ian_Corne> I wonder the same about online accounts
[19:10] <Ian_Corne> it doesn't do anything that I found so far
[19:10] <Ian_Corne> thunderbird doesn't have an email account
[19:10] <Ian_Corne> my calander isn't syncer
[19:10] <Ian_Corne> neither are my contacts
[19:11] <Ian_Corne> i already had gtalk setup so...
[19:12] <mongy> autocomplete in terminal dont work
[19:12] <mongy> well, for things like sudo apt-get ins(tab) ubuntu-restr(tab)   etc...
[19:13] <Ian_Corne> it does for me
[19:26] <mongy> dont for me :(  it works for files and app names but completing syntax like sudo apt-(tab show me something)
[19:26] <mongy> but not*
[19:29] <mongy> how do I turn off the grid thing
[19:29] <mongy> that thing that blinds me with its golden effects
[19:30] <Ian_Corne> ccsm i guess
[19:30] <mongy> im in it now, cant see anything
[19:32] <mongy> ugh, I am blind.  found it
[19:32] <Ian_Corne> :)
[19:32] <Ian_Corne> that's because pf the grid
[19:38] <bullgard6> jbicha: Thank you very much for your help.
[19:49] <mongy> flashplugin-installer isnt happening...
[19:49] <mongy> flashplugin-installer : Depends: flashplugin-downloader but it is not installable
[19:50] <jtaylor> have you enabled multiarch?
[19:50] <mongy> say what
[19:50] <bullgard6> How can one use (at least parts of) a OO.o 3.2.0 form for a LibreOffice 3.4.2 form?
[19:52] <jtaylor> see the mail on ubuntu-devel-announce
[19:55] <mongy> jtaylor, to enable flash?
[19:55] <jtaylor> yes
[19:56] <mongy> nevermind, just enabled the flash64 ppa
[20:00] <bjsnider> you don't need it
[20:00] <bjsnider> you can use the i386 flash plugin within an amd64 system without nspluginwrapper
[20:01] <bjsnider> all you should need to do is run sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer:i386
[20:02] <jtaylor> only if you have a 32bit comsumer too
[20:02] <jtaylor> else you need the wrapper
[20:03] <mongy> ok, flash just became complicated again
[20:04] <Ian_Corne> :D
[20:04] <Ian_Corne> mongy: there's a ppa for the 64 bit
[20:04] <Ian_Corne> which makes it easy again
[20:04] <Ian_Corne> :p
[20:04] <mongy> I know, I just installed it
[20:05] <penguin42> mongy: I'm sure it's just temporary until it gets fixed
[20:05] <bjsnider> i don't think the 64-bit plugin is necessarily as stable as the 32-bit version
[20:06] <jtaylor> it is fixed if you reinstall
[20:06] <jtaylor> multiarch is enabled by default now
[20:07] <mongy> I need to reinstall for that?
[20:07] <penguin42> ah, is there an explanation of how to get it to the same state as a current 11.10 dist-upgrade/install ?
[20:07] <mongy> ugh, I'll do it next weekend.
[20:08] <yofel> just add 'foreign-architecture i386' to /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg and multiarch is on
[20:09] <mongy> thank
[20:13] <jtaylor> you should add it to dpkg.cfg.d/...
[20:17] <penguin42> hmm - well that's let nspluginwrapper install but removed flash and picasa
[20:17] <mongy> woah, thats a lot of extra stuff to install just for flash i386
[20:18] <jtaylor> its less than before
[20:18] <penguin42> ah, but now if I do apt-get install flash-plugin-installer it goes and grabs a load of i386 stuff which is promising
[20:26] <papertigers> anyone having problems with the theme and icons disappearing?
[20:30] <penguin42> not seen that
[20:31] <papertigers> also gnome-settings-daemon keeps crashing, maybe I should install from the iso rather then update-manger -d
[20:42] <BUGabundo> evening heartlings
[20:44] <penguin42> Hey BUGabundo
[20:48] <BUGabundo> so, tell me something. what have I lost in this two days offline (and even at 4000m high)?
[20:49] <penguin42> probably not much - 4km high? Where are you? Jo'burg?
[20:50] <BUGabundo> parachuting
[20:50] <robin0800> BUGabundo: about 400 updates
[20:51] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I see you're accurate to within 6ft
[20:54] <BUGabundo> meh
[20:54] <BUGabundo> Current status: 41 updates [+5], 34564 new [-12].
[20:54] <BUGabundo> most libre office
[20:54] <BUGabundo> penguin42: over 10000 feet actually
[20:54] <BUGabundo> I lost my stomach somewhere
[20:56] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I hear it's the last few ft that's important
[20:56] <charlie-tca> for two days, that's not too bad on updates
[20:56] <BUGabundo> it was fun
[20:56] <charlie-tca> I don't think I can ever convince myself jumping out of airplanes that ain't broke is fun
[20:57] <robin0800> BUGabundo: yes those are only todays perhaps you had the 400 before you went away?
[21:00] <BUGabundo> 1st time
[21:00] <BUGabundo> oh look.
[21:00] <BUGabundo> pidign notifications work again
[21:00] <BUGabundo> now if I could get Gnome Classic with Animations to wook too
[21:00] <BUGabundo> robin0800: no idea
[21:00] <BUGabundo> I update when ever I'm on the laptop
[21:02] <BUGabundo> anyone got chromium desktop notifications to work ???
[21:08] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, nope ..gave up on trying to configure anything google related with this OS til they run out of excuses for not co-operating with the linux environment
[21:09] <BluesKaj> unfortunately I do prefer the chromium browser too
[21:09] <BluesKaj> google earth 64 bit is a hoax
[21:16] <urlin2u> anybody trying the daily for install today?
[21:18] <BUGabundo> no
[21:19] <urlin2u> seems unable to to install, no biggie
[21:23] <urlin2u> never met a ubuntu member that didn't skirt the COC as well, seems like a norm.;)
[21:23] <charlie-tca> urlin2u: desktop image, do not check "Install third-party software"; there is a bug that kills ubiquity with that checked
[21:26] <BUGabundo> bah
[21:26] <BUGabundo> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=91962#c13
[21:27] <urlin2u> charlie-tca, thanks
[21:28] <charlie-tca> At least, that has been working for me
[21:31] <NateW> I've been trying to install 11.10 onto an Asus eeePC for the past couple days, but the live usb fails to boot
[21:31] <charlie-tca> That's a different bug, I don't how to get around it
[21:32] <NateW> charlie-tca: is that directed to me?
[21:32] <charlie-tca> yes, NateW
[21:33] <NateW> is there a bug report? I tried looking, but was unable to find it
[21:33] <charlie-tca> Oh, sorry, you probably have no idea what I am talking about.
[21:33] <NateW> no actually not.
[21:33] <charlie-tca> The usb issue is a bug, that should be fixed for beta1
[21:33] <NateW> ahh.. so a livecd would work then
[21:33] <NateW> ?
[21:33] <urlin2u> todays daily bots, but is a ubiquity crash as you suggest charlie-tca
[21:33] <urlin2u> boots
[21:34] <charlie-tca> You get the crash right away?
[21:34] <urlin2u> at the install after the name password.
[21:35] <urlin2u> I will try the no update option and report if you like
[21:35] <urlin2u> actually it loaded the files as well
[21:36] <charlie-tca> yeah, after I got the crash, I restarted, and it prefilled the things. I just unchecked them and the install ran
[21:37] <urlin2u> one more try just for prosperity. :D
[23:42] <Gredeu> are there oncelot server kernels in mainline ppa ?