[16:10] <AlanBell> my lens works \o/
[16:10] <nigelb> \o/
[16:11] <nigelb> Have you gone crazy yet?
[16:11] <AlanBell> yes
[16:11] <nigelb> I'm told vala has that effect.
[16:11] <nigelb> I wish there was an easy way to play scrabble online.
[16:19]  * AlanBell likes Unity now
[16:21] <Pendulum> I'm not sure you should have to need the skills to write your own lens before you like Unity :-/
[16:22] <nigelb> G26
[16:22] <nigelb> gah
[16:23] <AlanBell> Pendulum: I quite agree
[16:23] <AlanBell> especially as I don't really have the skills to write a lens
[16:24] <AlanBell> but now I can launch the applications that I want to run \o/
[16:24]  * AlanBell is pleased by simple things
[16:30] <AlanBell> I just need to stop it from conflicting with the original applications lens and it needs a bit of a code tidy
[16:30] <AlanBell> I don't know how much of the zeitgeist gubbins is really needed for the package searching
[16:33] <AlanBell> lp:~alanbell/+junk/appmenu-lens if people want to point and laugh at my code
[18:18] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/appmenu.ogv
[18:46] <akgraner> jcastro  you around?
[18:47] <jcastro> yep
[18:47] <akgraner> got a sec?
[19:07] <AlanBell> jcastro: see my screencast?
[19:12] <jcastro> looking
[19:13]  * jcastro needs to wget it first
[19:46] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:29] <nigelb> czajkowski: Can the LC send email to all locos?
[20:29] <czajkowski> nigelb: yes one by one to the teams
[20:29] <czajkowski> why
[20:30] <nigelb> czajkowski: We need to send out a plea for help for developers for LTP.
[20:30] <nigelb> Really really short staffed.
[20:30] <czajkowski> what's LTP
[20:30] <cjohnston> LoCo Team Portal
[20:30] <nigelb> Loco Team Portal
[20:30] <czajkowski> ah ok
[20:30] <czajkowski> well it's not really for that
[20:30] <cjohnston> at some point
[20:31] <czajkowski> we can use it for approvals and such things
[20:31] <cjohnston> hes talking a seperate email
[20:31] <czajkowski> not sure teams would like us if we mail them about annoucements and calls
[20:31] <czajkowski> in theory that's what we have loco contacts list for
[20:31] <czajkowski> as there was a lotta issue surrounding us being able to do that
[20:31] <czajkowski> I dont want to abuse it
[20:33] <AlanBell> the blog would seem more appropriate
[20:33] <nigelb> AlanBell: we could blog as well, but we've done so before with not great success.
[20:34] <pleia2> is LTP different than LoCo directory?
[20:34] <cjohnston> pleia2: no.. ld will be ltp
[20:34] <AlanBell> what needs doing anyway? is this the "loco directory is a planet" scheme
[20:34] <czajkowski> AlanBell: aye there we could, but I'm not sure us mailing teams that way would be best from us, considering the fact some teams A) don't know who the LC are or B) would appreciate us being able to mail them directly
[20:34] <cjohnston> AlanBell: we need alot..
[20:34] <pleia2> (but yeah, loco teams would be very annoying to loco teams if they were emailed directly about this)
[20:34] <pleia2> err, except with clarity
[20:35] <pleia2> my brain is broken
[20:35] <czajkowski> pleia2: tis confusing, most of us refer to it as the LD, only the LD Dev refer to it as LTP
[20:35] <pleia2> teams would be annoyde :)
[20:35] <pleia2> czajkowski: yeah
[20:35] <nigelb> well, it was decided to change it at UDS
[20:35] <cjohnston> AlanBell: there are currently 117 open bugs.. figure maybe a 3rd are feature requests..
[20:35] <nigelb> and its changed everywhere else
[20:35] <czajkowski> nigelb: I do wish decisons like that were more inclusing of people who were not at uds, or a poll after UDS
[20:35] <czajkowski> as tbh everyone has gotten used to calling it LD
[20:36] <nigelb> Well, really, its a meritocracy.
[20:36] <czajkowski> they are confused when you say LTP and they are not gonna rename it
[20:36] <nigelb> We can't poll for everything
[20:36] <nigelb> There were stakeholders for almost everything in the room, loco council, developers, jono, etc
[20:36] <czajkowski> shall agree to disagree nigelb
[20:37] <pleia2> nigelb: perhaps send a list to loco contacts asking for help? (I just browsed the archives for the past couple months - nothing)
[20:37] <jono> czajkowski, is the name really that big of a deal?
[20:37] <jono> I think we have more important problems and opportunities to focus on
[20:37] <pleia2> jono: it is confusing, people are *just* getting used to "loco directory"
[20:37] <nigelb> pleia2: can do :)
[20:38] <jono> pleia2, I am not denying that there is confusion, but lets just a make a decision and get on with things
[20:38] <cjohnston> we havent actually done the rename yet.. but it will be done when it becomes a portal
[20:38] <jono> I remember this being discussed weeks ago
[20:38] <jono> lets pick one and move on
[20:38] <pleia2> nigelb: x-post it to ubuntu-news-team, I'll put it on fridge
[20:38] <nigelb> pleia2: ooh, yes. Let me wake up and I'll do it.
[20:38] <nigelb> 2 am isn't a great time to write emails :D
[20:38] <czajkowski> jono: I'm not making a thing of it, I just said I'd mail the Loco contacts with a list of bugs to see if I can help to get people on board and also let them know there are some bugs they are duplicating reporting
[20:38]  * cjohnston slaps nigelb with a trout.. WAKE UP
[20:39] <czajkowski> I am actually trying to help jono, but both myself AlanBell and pleia2 were all confused with the name
[20:39] <czajkowski> jono: sorry I opened my gob.
[20:39] <pleia2> nigelb: nah take your time, no need to rush, don't need to do it today, I was just making suggestions to get the word out :)
[20:39] <jono> czajkowski, I know you are trying to help, I am just suggesting that there has been enough discussion on this and just pick something and move on :-)
[20:39] <jono> its a name :-)
[20:40] <nigelb> pleia2: We need more help with Ubuntu Webdev in general. I've been planning a blog post for some time but just ending up with not enough time :)
[20:40] <czajkowski> jono: souded like you were were kinda giving out tbh to me :/
[20:40] <jono> czajkowski, that was not my intent, I just saw more discussion of what I feel is a fairly minimal issue
[20:40] <jono> apologies
[20:41] <AlanBell> I think it will be called the portal when it grows a planet on every microsite right?
[20:41] <czajkowski> jono: ok , I am just trying to get more contacts involved in some way
[20:41] <jono> czajkowski, sounds good
[20:41] <czajkowski> and all of them related to it being the LD
[20:42] <AlanBell> https://launchpad.net/loco-directory
[20:42] <nigelb> AlanBell: for practical reasons, we didn't change the "name" but changed the display name instead.
[20:43] <nigelb> wait. I thought it wwas changed!
[20:43] <nigelb> cjohnston: ^
[20:43] <AlanBell> "LoCo Team Directory"
[20:43] <cjohnston> it isnt changed yet
[20:43] <cjohnston> it will be changed when it becomes more of a portal
[20:43] <cjohnston> the code is done..
[20:43] <cjohnston> for the blog thing
[20:43] <AlanBell> orly?
[20:43] <cjohnston> i need to get that live
[20:43] <nigelb> AlanBell: Really, we'd love to have emore help from you :)
[20:43] <AlanBell> is it testable?
[20:43] <cjohnston> jono: speaking of which.. i still need an email with the blogs you want on it
[20:43] <cjohnston> AlanBell: no
[20:43] <cjohnston> well
[20:43] <cjohnston> yes..
[20:43] <jono> cjohnston, oops
[20:43] <cjohnston> on your local machine
[20:43] <jono> good point
[20:44] <jono> we did put together a wiki page, let me dig it out
[20:44] <jono> cjohnston, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoPortalFeeds
[20:44] <jono> :-)
[20:45] <cjohnston> ty
[20:46] <czajkowski> 21:35 < ubot4> Launchpad bug 711649 in loco-directory "When logging in for the first time, username doesn't show in Meeting Chair list (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 12)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711649
[20:46] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 711649 in loco-directory "When logging in for the first time, username doesn't show in Meeting Chair list" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711649
[20:46] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 711649 in loco-directory "When logging in for the first time, username doesn't show in Meeting Chair list" [High,Triaged]
[20:46] <czajkowski> grrr
[20:46] <czajkowski> stupid laptop
[20:47] <AlanBell> err, so it doesn't take multiple feeds per LoCo?
[20:47] <nigelb> AlanBell: not yet.
[20:47] <jono> cjohnston, what is the latest on the portal - are we about ready to roll?
[20:47] <nigelb> The first step is to have X number of feeds on there.
[20:47] <jono> I *really* want to have it in place for the UGJ
[20:48] <nigelb> in 5 days?
[20:48] <cjohnston> jono... well.. see pm... ; lol
[20:48] <jono> lol
[20:48] <cjohnston> if we can get the dump. and get mhall119 time to see what he can fix... the code is all ready to go... but we cant go till we get the db fixced
[20:48] <jcastro> AlanBell: whoa
[20:48] <jcastro> that's pretty awesome
[20:48] <jcastro> AlanBell: I suspect many people will like it
[20:48] <AlanBell> so I was expecting to put the feeds from here http://planet.ubuntu-uk.org/ onto the loco directory/portal thingie
[20:49] <jono> cjohnston, ok, I am on it
[20:49] <cjohnston> AlanBell: no.. its a hand picked list
[20:49] <jcastro> though personally I wouldn't do the customization bit since that's in the settings, that way more normal apps can fit on it
[20:49] <cjohnston> thanks jono
[20:49] <AlanBell> jcastro: I think the applications lens as it is puts a lot of people off unity altogether
[20:49] <jono> cjohnston, hmm, the RT says mhall got the backups
[20:49] <jcastro> AlanBell: it's my least favorite part, I don't even use it
[20:50] <jono> cjohnston, Matthias Arnason gave him them on IRC on the 19th
[20:50] <jono> mhall119, ^
[20:50] <cjohnston> im looking
[20:50] <AlanBell> the zeitgeist stuff is unpredictable and I don't like that, and I really find the suggested items obnoxious when it hasn't shown me all the stuff I have installed
[20:51] <cjohnston> jono: https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=17783
[20:51] <jcastro> AlanBell: yeah and it has a knack to recommend the worst apps
[20:51] <AlanBell> yeah, I filed a bug about them being irrelevant, if you filter by category it shows you some of what you have in that category and suggests random stuff from all over the place
[20:52] <jcastro> AlanBell: do you want to submit your lens to extras.ubuntu.com? That would be great
[20:52] <jono> cjohnston, ok, so it looks like mhall119 needs to respond to Darren about the /media/ weekly exports
[20:53] <AlanBell> jcastro: sure, what is the procedure for that?
[20:53] <AlanBell> it needs a cleanup first though
[20:53] <cjohnston> mhall119: ^
[20:54] <jcastro> AlanBell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviews
[20:57] <AlanBell> jcastro: hmm, ok I have no idea how to do packaging or get it to work under /opt but I have no idea how to code in Vala either and that didn't stop me :)
[20:57] <jcastro> AlanBell: you can probably just rip off the packaging from the gwibber lens
[20:57] <jcastro> it was also rewritten in vala by someone who didn't know it
[20:57] <jcastro> heh
[21:07] <AlanBell> it is python
[21:09] <jono> jcastro, mailing the managers now re. reviewing UDS sponsorships
[21:09] <AlanBell> however I can probably rip off the packaging, and I might recode the whole thing in a semicolon-free environment
[21:10] <AlanBell> and I might create some other lenses if I can do it in python
[21:12] <jono> jcastro, I also asked the ue-leads too, the tech leads
[21:12] <jono> jcastro, I asked them to reach out to you if they need access to summit
[21:12] <jcastro> k
[21:12] <jcastro> though everyone has the right access last I checked
[21:13] <jcastro> also, I don't grant then access, the tech board does as they need to be in the right lp group
[21:14] <AlanBell> cjohnston: so with the LTP thing, I could put the aggregated LoCo feed in for our page at http://planet.ubuntu-uk.org/atom.xml that would work wouldn't it?
[21:15] <cjohnston> umm
[21:15] <cjohnston> i dunno if it currently has an rss out
[21:15] <AlanBell> no, as an RSS input
[21:16] <AlanBell> I thought it was going to replace planet.ubuntu-uk.org
[21:16] <cjohnston> it is going to put a hand picked group of feeds onto the front page of the LoCo Directory
[21:17] <AlanBell> oh, that is totally not what I expected
[21:17] <AlanBell> I thought it was going to put a UK planet on http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk
[21:18] <AlanBell> and same for every other team
[21:19] <cjohnston> o
[21:19] <cjohnston> no
[21:20] <AlanBell> not sure stuff on the front page will make the microsites tabworthy
[21:22] <AlanBell> but heh, not complaining, I wasn't involved in all the discussions, or doing the work, I just missunderstood the objectives
[21:22] <cjohnston> microsites being loco directory?
[21:22] <AlanBell> being each team area
[21:23] <cjohnston> no.. its on the front page
[21:24] <cjohnston> although putting the teams blogrolls on each teams page may not be a bad idea... jono ?
[21:25] <AlanBell> personally I never see the front page, I have a bookmark to http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk
[21:26] <czajkowski> cjohnston: I always thought that was a future feature tbh
[21:27] <cjohnston> I don't think so?
[21:27] <jono> cjohnston, that would be awesome
[21:27] <jono> AlanBell, part of the goal is to make the front page tabble so you can the work of all teams
[21:27] <jono> but I think team specific blog rolls could be awesome
[21:27] <czajkowski> cjohnston: aye I thought it was posts tagged were gonna go to main page
[21:28] <czajkowski> but teams could add their planet to their page on the LD
[21:28] <cjohnston> I think thats just pics
[21:28] <czajkowski> maybe am confused
[21:28] <czajkowski> kinda make more of a reason to go to their team page
[21:28] <czajkowski> see blogs
[21:28] <AlanBell> jono: not many people have the use-case of working all the teams
[21:28] <czajkowski> see events
[21:28] <czajkowski> see pics
[21:28] <cjohnston> AlanBell: mind making a feature request and marking it confirmed / wishlist?
[21:28] <AlanBell> cjohnston: sure
[21:29] <cjohnston> t
[21:29] <cjohnston> t
[21:29] <cjohnston> y
[21:29] <cjohnston> and then bzr branch lp:loco-directory
[21:29] <cjohnston> code code code
[21:29] <AlanBell> lol
[21:29] <jono> AlanBell, no, but the goal of this work is to show off the wider work of the community to inspire teams
[21:29] <cjohnston> bzr commit -m "Adds cool stuff" --fixes lp:XXXXXX && bzr push lp:~alanbell/loco-directory/alan-bell-rox
[21:30] <jono> the ethos behind the work is that what really encourages folks to participate in Open Source is the kudos from fellow community members
[21:30] <jono> but in the loco world there is not really a good way to show off the work of all the teams
[21:30]  * AlanBell has commits in LD already
[21:30] <jcastro> I personally feed on the ridicule! :)
[21:30] <cjohnston> you need new commits
[21:30] <jono> the blogroll on l.u.c is designed to rectify that
[21:30] <jono> but I think team-specific blog rolls would make sense too
[21:30] <czajkowski> jcastro: and we love you for that
[21:30] <jcastro> heh
[21:31] <jono> jcastro, lol
[21:31] <nigelb> jcastro: hehe
[21:31] <czajkowski> jcastro: http://blip.tv/episode/5492176  and cypher.skynet.ie/oggcamp
[21:32] <nigelb> jcastro: Are you driving down to UDS in november?
[21:32] <jcastro> oooh
[21:32]  * jcastro bookmarks
[21:32] <jcastro> I am, stereotypically watching "8 mile"
[21:32] <czajkowski> love  8 mile
[21:32] <czajkowski> adore the soundtrack
[21:32] <cjohnston> nigelb: thats up for him
[21:32] <AlanBell> 8 mile is an awesome film
[21:32] <czajkowski> actually folks ye;ll all love or hate the film the guard with brendan gleeson
[21:33] <jcastro> I always just ffwd to the end
[21:33] <czajkowski> hillarious!
[21:33] <jcastro> to the rap battle
[21:33] <czajkowski> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1540133/
[21:33] <AlanBell> jcastro: best ragequit evar
[21:34] <czajkowski> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_kJ3d1vqs4
[21:35] <AlanBell> what is that feed of feeds thing called?
[21:35] <AlanBell> nvm, OPML
[21:37] <AlanBell> cjohnston: bug 836281 I can't wishlist it
[21:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 836281 in loco-directory "add a team blogroll or planet to the team pages" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836281
[21:37] <jono> 8 mile is a ricket film
[21:37] <jono> wicked film
[21:37] <jono> Erica and watched The Tourist last night
[21:37] <jono> that was a fun ride :-)
[21:38] <nigelb> The tourist is awesome :)
[21:39] <cjohnston> AlanBell: I guess you need to do more work so you can get bug control access :-P
[21:39] <nigelb> cjohnston: we should rope in AlanBell for reviews :D
[21:40] <cjohnston> no.. code.. reviews are easier
[21:41] <cjohnston> specially with these stupid tests
[21:41]  * nigelb kicks cjohnston repeatedly.
[21:41] <nigelb> jono: oh, heh. I have a /hilight for summit. Finally it triggered for something relating for why I turned it on!
[21:42] <jono> :-)
[21:43] <nigelb> sponsorships are closed right?
[21:49] <AlanBell> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/sponsorship/ yup
[21:50] <nigelb> Oh good. I can now reveal that there used to a bug (fixed now), that wwould allow you to ensure you got accepted for sponsorship. :P
[21:50] <AlanBell> lol
[21:51] <jcastro> hah
[21:51] <AlanBell> which is now surounded by an if(name==nigelb){} block
[21:51] <jcastro> awesome
[21:51] <jcastro> other than my inhuman ability to track everything.
[21:52] <nigelb> AlanBell: haha
[21:52] <jcastro> I would have foiled your plan to sponsor eminem
[21:52] <nigelb> I didn't even apply this time
[21:52] <AlanBell> neither did I
[21:53] <nigelb> jcastro: I was thinking of getting some trolls sponsored :P
[21:53] <czajkowski> neither did I
[21:54] <nigelb> AlanBell: I'm going to play with a node.js frontend for summit when I have some time. Will be able to help at some point?
[21:57] <AlanBell> maybe
[21:57] <AlanBell> what is it for?
[21:58] <nigelb> well, the idea I have is to use web sockets to push notification when the schedule changes
[21:58] <nigelb> so one does not need to keep refreshing
[21:58] <AlanBell> oh, for the scary calendar
[21:58] <jcastro> I think he just wants to play with node.js
[21:58] <jcastro> :)
[21:58] <nigelb> jcastro: that too :D
[21:59] <nigelb> jcastro: man, you know me too well!
[21:59] <jcastro> everyone is all of a sudden "oh we need to rewrite this in node.js"
[21:59] <jcastro> etherpad-lite
[21:59] <jcastro> etc.
[21:59] <nigelb> because node.js is actually pretty good!
[21:59] <nigelb> and also scaleable
[21:59] <akgraner> Dang it  - anyone know how to send encrypted messages using gmail in chromium?
[22:00] <akgraner> Found an add-on for Firefox
[22:00] <nigelb> akgraner: use the commandline to generate an encrypted file, copy & paste.
[22:00] <nigelb> the add-on is no longer maintained
[22:00] <akgraner> nigelb :-( comand line, command line command line..it all comes back to the command line....
[22:01] <nigelb> akgraner: well, or use a real email client :)
[22:02] <akgraner> the add-on enigmail add-on is not compatible with my version of Thunderbird :-(
[22:02] <nigelb> Evolution has gpg support inbuilt ^-^
[22:02] <akgraner> and I don't even want to use evolution
[22:02] <nigelb> heh
[22:02] <jcastro> anyone else notice that the new software center icon looks like pop rocks blowing up inside a shopping bag?
[22:03] <nigelb> commandline it is then
[22:03] <akgraner> I guess...
[22:03] <nigelb> jcastro: pic?
[22:03]  * nigelb doesnt run bleeding edge.
[22:03] <jcastro> it's on omg's front page
[22:04] <jcastro> on that header thing
[22:12] <akgraner> ok nigelb I installed engimail by using the command line :-)  now I'll see how this works :-)  setting it up now...
[22:13] <nigelb> akgraner: \o/
[22:13] <AlanBell> we should set up a world series http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-14703022
[22:37] <mhall119> enigmail from the commandline?
[22:38] <mhall119> akgraner: gmail web interface == no encrypted email :(
[22:38] <mhall119> use gmail+IMAP with a desktop client
[22:39] <mhall119> though I just saw something about an AES + RSA implementation in javascript, so maybe soon for webmail
[22:40] <mhall119> cjohnston: czajkowski: AlanBell: adding a per-team blogroll shouldn't be hard, and that was part of my long-term plans
[22:40] <mhall119> but for phase 1 it'll just be hand-picked blogs on the frontpage