[16:32] GridCube: possible addition to the faq top 10: [16:32] say [16:32] :) [16:32] If the cursor doesn't follow the theme set for 11.04 and above, try [16:32] chmod +x ~/.Xdefaults [16:33] .Xdefaults must be executable for Xfce 4.8 [16:33] That is a change from Xfce 4.6, too [16:34] i can say i ever heard of that :/ [16:35] You can change the cursor in Settings -> Mouse, but it doesn't always work. [16:35] Making .Xdefaults executable helps fix that [16:36] ok [16:37] charlie-tca, i also have this "Can i add costum themes to xubuntu?" [16:37] i know i can [16:37] but how do i phrase it? [16:38] GridCube: that's a good one [16:38] Yes you can intall themes for ???? directly into ~/.something [16:38] "How can I add custom themes or new themes to Xubuntu?" [16:39] install themes directly to ~/.themes or add them to /usr/share/themes [16:39] what kind of themes? [16:39] where from? [16:39] Themes added to ~/.themes require you to logout/login [16:40] any gtk theme should work [16:40] !themes [16:40] Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy [16:40] so, we need to update the factoid again [16:41] http://http://xfce-look.org/ [16:41] http://xfce-look.org/ [16:43] !no, !themes is #xubuntu Find your themes at http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://xfce-look.org- Also see !changethemes [16:43] can i add the mouse pointer thing to this question? or should i add a new one for it? [16:44] new one, since most people do not think of themes and mouse pointers together [16:44] ok [16:50] do i link to this on the apt-get manual link? http://linux.about.com/od/ubusrv_doc/a/ubusg11t01.htm [16:51] or should i find a better link? [16:51] https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/apt-get.html [16:51] this one is shorter but from ubuntu's [16:52] As much as possible, we link to Ubuntu [16:52] so, the help.ubuntu.com link should be linked to [16:53] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto [16:53] ok this one then [16:54] yup [17:10] i've made a short url for the google doc http://alturl.com/qq8o4 [17:10] !themes [17:10] To change your theme in Xubuntu, go to Settings Manager » Appearance (GTK+ theme) or Settings Manager » Window Manager (xfwm4 theme) to change the theme - find more themes at http://xfce-look.org/ [17:10] charlie-tca, ^ [17:10] Thank you [17:10] np [17:12] i just need one more question for the faq [17:13] "Where can I learn more?" [17:13] #xubuntu @ Freenode, xubuntu.org [17:13] xubuntu-users and -devel mailing lists [17:14] planet ubuntu for general ubuntu stuff [17:14] Great question! [17:14] as well as the help.ubuntu.com documentation [17:14] or/and "How can I contribute to Xubuntu?" too [17:14] -> link to the contribute page [17:14] that can be integrated to the other question as well [17:15] i was thinking on that line too [17:15] but mine was, "how can i help to make xubuntu" [17:16] i suppose contribute is better, since that also covers stuff like helping out with support and stuff [17:16] yup [17:16] Don't have to be a coder/developer to contribute, but that is a requirement to "make" Xubuntu [17:17] something like, "My question is not covered here, how can i get more help?" [17:17] damn that english language [17:17] mmm [17:17] GridCube: that would be good [17:20] :p i need to find the links now [17:20] but its food time [17:20] :D [17:44] hello all :D [17:45] weekend is over soon :( [17:45] I have some ideas for next release of Xubuntu - 12.04 :) [17:48] Olbi, you can go ahead [17:48] I thought that all are doing something else :P [17:49] they can be, but most of us read the backlog anyway [17:49] Firstly - change grub and boot screen, like it is on PCLinuxoS Phoenix Edition :) [17:49] if some1 saw it, that know what I mean :D [17:50] hmm, do you mean theme grub2, or install something else instead? [17:50] there are (some) improvements to the boot artwork for oneiric already, and more are coming for o+1 [17:51] hmm :) smells good :D [17:51] Olbi: http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/draft-fsck2.ogg [17:51] Xubuntu 11.04 doesnt have any artwork for grub2 and boot screen default :( [17:51] mmh, i need to take out some garbage, which do not smell so good [17:51] brb [17:52] nice look, but I think we should get logo to the background and more bigger [17:53] and booting line take to bootom [17:53] with text which appear above it [17:56] :) [19:48] * Unit193 hopes he didn't miss all that much [20:01] We have a meeting in a couple of hours today [20:07] Again, can't make it. Sorry about it, but I can only really make the Monday ones [20:10] No problem. [20:10] Testing beta1 starts Tuesday [20:11] I'll be working on my issue real soon so I should be good [20:17] zsync your images so you are ready [20:19] I can't do that as that's part of the thing broken :/ [20:31] Oh [21:04] Alright, reboot has fixed it after all... Dunno how that was mixed up :/ [21:34] mr_pouit: I can not get the menus to go away at all [21:35] bug 805922 [21:35] Launchpad bug 805922 in garcon (Ubuntu Natty) "Xfce-menu button shows 'No applications found' instead of menus" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/805922 [21:35] can't really verify the fix, since I can not reproduce the bug in the first place [21:42] I have tried 4 times to reproduce this issue. I can not seem to do so. [21:49] meh [21:49] I'll set up a natty vm tomorrow and try too [21:49] frustrating [21:49] I don't know how to make the menu go away [21:49] * micahg has xubuntu natty on armel w/out issue [21:55] so, even editing menu properties and checking "Use custom menu file: " with Menu file: "NONE" gives me a menu [22:00] Well, anyone here for a meeting? [22:01] Yes [22:01] o/ [22:01] Okay, I will have one then [22:01] #startmeeting [22:01] Meeting started Sun Aug 28 22:01:54 2011 UTC. The chair is charlie-tca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [22:01] Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting. [22:02] [TOPIC] Agenda for today's meeting: [22:02] TOPIC: Agenda for today's meeting: [22:02] * Old business [22:02] * Team updates [22:02] * Packaging & Development [22:02] * Bug Triage & Testing [22:02] * Website & Marketing [22:02] * Artwork [22:02] * Documentation [22:02] * Announcements [22:02] * Governance structure [22:02] * Any Other Business [22:02] Reminder: please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing. If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait. [22:02] Well, I got to remember not to paste things that way. [22:03] The agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [22:03] [TOPIC] === Old Business === [22:03] TOPIC: === Old Business === [22:03] * livecd menu logo - knome [22:03] knome: you around? [22:04] :/ he is not apparently [22:04] and I haven't seen the new logo on the menu yet [22:04] [TOPIC] === Team updates === [22:04] TOPIC: === Team updates === [22:04] [TOPIC] ==== Packaging & Development ==== [22:04] TOPIC: ==== Packaging & Development ==== [22:04] mr_pouit: you around? [22:05] yes [22:05] go ahead, sir [22:05] o/ [22:06] there are very few updates this week, so I'll write them, and you can ask your question right after :P [22:06] yes no problem [22:06] micahg fixed the alternate cd to fit in 700M again; latest greybird uploaded, and plymouth 16bit theme added. [22:07] .. [22:07] Whee! short and simple. But got a lot done again [22:07] we have 3 different terminal emulators, can something be done to reduce this to at least two? xcfe4-terminal and xterm? [22:07] We should have good plymouth themes for everyone now, right? [22:07] (and hide xterm from the menus) [22:07] .. [22:08] (micahg: feel free to add if I forgot something ;-) [22:08] o/ [22:08] o/ [22:08] mr_pouit: you were going to remove a couple of terms from Accessories, or did we forget to tell you? [22:08] GridCube: yeah we can hide xterm/uxterm from the default menu [22:08] madnick: go ahead? [22:08] Is the bug in plymouth fixed? [22:08] It isn't fixed on the latest image [22:09] okay [22:09] .. [22:09] but updates seem to be held up waiting for the new ubiquity to get there, too. [22:09] mr_pouit, that would be useful to reduce redundancy and confusion (..) [22:09] madnick: the typos? Not yet (as it doesn't seem to break anything, it can wait for after the beta, right?) [22:09] mr_pouit: I suppose :) [22:09] micahg: your question/comment? [22:10] we have 4 FTBFS sources from the archive rebuild including xubuntu-docs [22:10] but unless we have new docs for oneiric, we can fix after beta [22:10] GridCube: please file a bug against xubuntu-default-settings for anything related to the menu (it'll be done after the beta, and without a bug report as reminder it'll be forgotten) [22:10] I will have to track the docs guys down and see if we are getting the new stuff in [22:11] also, I added back japanese to the alternate CD, there's more room, so I could add back another language as wel [22:11] (will do) [22:11] mmh, the person who took care of the docs in natty isn't very active lately [22:11] .. [22:11] yeah, we seem to have that problem with docs [22:11] We really need someone to step up and work on them. [22:12] I'm afraid that we'll only replace 11.04 by 11.10 in the docs for this cycle :< [22:12] micahg: between you and mr_pouit, you will decide what to do with the cd's. [22:13] Well, sometimes that is all we can do. [22:13] Any other comments / questions for packaging and development? [22:14] [TOPIC] ==== Bug Triage & Testing ==== [22:14] TOPIC: ==== Bug Triage & Testing ==== [22:14] We done really good testing daily images this week. Many thanks to those doing those tests. [22:14] * Please sync your images. We begin Beta1 testing on Tuesday. [22:14] o/ [22:14] go ahead, GridCube [22:15] the bluetooth thing is being worked i gather? [22:15] I thought that got fixed already [22:15] oh, havent tested since last time, sorry [22:16] which issue is it again? [22:17] Not sure which bug number that is, our list at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot is growing again [22:17] GridCube: explain it again, please. [22:17] blue tooth causing gnome-control-center to crash? [22:17] when you choose bluetooht on the menu it calls gnome-something bluetooth [22:18] yes that [22:18] ah, indeed, "gnome-control-center bluetooth" [22:19] well, we can: 1/ put the correct dep to gnome-control-center (but it'll bring it on our iso, and possibly for gnome apps, ~unknown side effects) [22:19] 2/ drop gnome-bluetooth from the default install [22:19] 3/ try to find a replacement for it [22:19] Does dropping gnome-bluetooth mean bluetooth won't work at all? [22:20] * charlie-tca likes 3/ best [22:20] bug 866311 [22:20] Error: Launchpad bug 866311 could not be found [22:21] Bug #831488 [22:21] Launchpad bug 831488 in gnome-bluetooth (Ubuntu Oneiric) "gnome-bluetooth should Recommends gnome-control-center" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831488 [22:21] err, which one is it? :p [22:21] bug 836311 [22:21] Launchpad bug 836311 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "xubuntu menus have too many terminal emulators" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836311 [22:21] Oh, good [22:21] GridCube: thanks [22:21] no problem [22:21] Is that the right bluetooth bug, GridCube ? [22:21] is bug #831488 the one you were thinking about? [22:22] thats the one i reported yes [22:22] see my name there :P [22:22] Yup, that's the one [22:22] seb128 wrote: "The issue is that the bluetooth interface is a control-center panel in GNOME3 so it should depends on it" [22:22] GridCube: it ain't fixed [22:23] so yeah, if we go 1/, it'll bring gnome-control-center by default [22:23] yup [22:23] and they won't fix it by allowing it to not be a depends [22:23] isnt there another bluetooht manager? [22:24] mr_pouit: it still should not give an error when you don't have bluetooth, should it? [22:24] there's "blueman", but I don't know its state in oneiric [22:24] charlie-tca: no, it won't give any error, since gnome-contrl-center is missing, so the current menu entry is useless [22:25] well, it's yet another thing to port to dh_python2, but that's acceptable... [22:25] but that is what the bug is for. It did crash with no bluetooth [22:25] blueman, micahg ? [22:25] yep [22:25] Let's file it then [22:25] !info blueman [22:25] blueman (source: blueman): A Graphical bluetooth manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.21-4.1build1 (natty), package size 423 kB, installed size 2680 kB [22:25] !info blueman oneiric [22:26] blueman (source: blueman): A Graphical bluetooth manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.21-4.1build1 (oneiric), package size 423 kB, installed size 2680 kB [22:26] there is another one [22:26] charlie-tca: (no no, the bug is about a missing dep: gnome-control-center isn't installed and can't be found) [22:26] !info bluez oneiric [22:26] there's a new branch in experimental, but I wouldn't want to tinker with this for beta 1 [22:26] bluez (source: bluez): Bluetooth tools and daemons. In component main, is optional. Version 4.96-0ubuntu3 (oneiric), package size 566 kB, installed size 1716 kB (Only available for amd64 armel i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc alpha armhf avr32 hppa m68k powerpcspe sh4 sparc64 ppc64 all) [22:26] Well, beat me with a wet trout. [22:27] mr_pouit, micahg : if blueman will let us use bluetooth with out the gnome stuff, let's go that way [22:27] GridCube: bluez doesn't provide any graphical interface I think [22:27] We can fix it after beta1, right? [22:27] I can release note it for this beta1 [22:28] i support the idea of blueman, so no gnome-control-center is needed [22:29] Let's not forget to do this. Do we need bugs filed for it? [22:29] ah, it's about to go to unstable [22:29] charlie-tca: yes, we'll need an FFe [22:30] i guess the original one still stand [22:30] for the dh_python thing? [22:30] well, I'll file that later, no, I meant for the switch to bluean [22:30] *blueman [22:30] Okay, I will file one then [22:30] I'd say: one against xubuntu-meta (for the seeds' change, so FFe), and one against xubuntu-default-settings (might be necessary to ship custom settings for xubuntu) [22:31] Want me to file two of them, then? [22:31] or file one for blueman, and ask about the other one/ [22:31] ? [22:32] we'll need one against xubuntu-meta to get the FFe (the second one for the default settings can come later) [22:32] Okay. [22:32] the downside is no indicator integration, but I guess it's useless anyways if other parts are broke [22:32] (but anyway, as you've said, let's not target that for the beta) [22:33] [ACTION] charlie-tca to get FFe filed for xubuntu-meta to add blueman to seeds [22:33] ACTION: charlie-tca to get FFe filed for xubuntu-meta to add blueman to seeds [22:33] right, I would think getting bluetooth usable is important [22:33] I'll work on the FFe for the new version of blueman [22:33] unless mr_pouit would like to handle it [22:34] [ACTION] micahg or mr_pouit to do FFe for blueman [22:34] ACTION: micahg or mr_pouit to do FFe for blueman [22:34] and no rdepends, so we can own it :) [22:34] Great! [22:34] or pwn it :) [22:34] sounds right to me [22:34] Anything else ? [22:35] moving on, [22:35] [TOPIC] ==== Website & Marketing ==== [22:35] TOPIC: ==== Website & Marketing ==== [22:35] * micahg guesses gilir might follow us on this one too :) [22:35] pleia2: here? [22:35] micahg: if there's some dh-python in it, I'm happy to let you do it ;-) [22:35] mr_pouit: heh, I haven't done an actual conversion yet, currently it's still using python-central [22:35] I would think gilir will, since they don't want gnome everything either [22:35] charlie-tca: ticket was submitted to canonical for review of the theme and plugin, but no word back yet [22:36] Yeah, got to give them a while, I guess [22:36] Anybody want to take on Marketing yet? [22:36] once that's done we'll have a staging site which the team can review before we launch [22:36] I suppose I have to revive that again [22:36] o/ [22:36] GridCube: you want to take Marketing? [22:36] the top 10 will go to the new website? [22:36] XD no [22:37] GridCube: that's the plan :) [22:37] I was following the rules [22:37] yes, the top 10 will go to the new website [22:37] * charlie-tca got my hopes up [22:37] I don't know what the marketing is [22:37] but i can try [22:38] * GridCube has only taken administration clasess, not the marketing ones :( [22:38] It's pretty big. getting out some blogs, news articles, keep Xubuntu in the news as much as possible, twitter or facebook if you have it, etc [22:38] mmm [22:38] generally, let people know we are alive and still going :) [22:39] I can wear an Xubuntu shirt ;) [22:39] I do work whit free internet access and a lot of free time, but i don't really know, If you want i will try [22:39] (also i do promote xubuntu all the time) [22:39] Great! I will get with you and see what we can do, then [22:39] .. [22:39] no problem [22:40] o/ [22:40] Anything else for website or marketing? [22:40] go ahead, madnick [22:40] There should be an "xubuntu store" [22:40] Like the Ubuntu store [22:40] Yeah, that may be "way way" down the road [22:40] oh okay [22:41] .. [22:41] It would be nice just to get Xubuntu cd's in the store, though [22:42] [TOPIC] ==== Artwork ==== [22:42] TOPIC: ==== Artwork ==== [22:42] ochosi: you here today? [22:43] madnick: you got any updates here? [22:43] o/ (little off-topic) [22:43] go ahead [22:44] well [22:44] ill wait :) [22:44] I've read in the logs that ubuntu-studio asked madnick help on making their own greeter, I know this isn't exactly xubuntu bussiness but i would like to know how that was going :P [22:45] madnick: ? [22:45] Well, on that, I have not had much time this week to work on the greeter, but I will start tomorrow to really get back on that [22:45] We just briefly discussed about the way the greeter was made, that's all. [22:45] On the ubuntu-studio thing [22:45] yes [22:46] .. [22:46] oh okay just wanted to know (..) [22:46] Thanks for the update. Any help you can give studio will be greatly appreciated, too. [22:47] * charlie-tca knows we are asking a lot, with the greeter thing. [22:47] Yes, very much so. (..) [22:48] [TOPIC] === Announcements === [22:48] TOPIC: === Announcements === [22:48] * The next meeting will be on Monday, 2011-09-05 at 19:00 UTC [22:48] * Important dates coming up: [22:48] * We are now in UI Freeze and Beta1 Freeze [22:48] * 11.10 Beta1: September 1 [22:48] * 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011 [22:48] * We need to update the Team Reports this week. [22:48] oh, I forgot again [22:48] Team Reports. We need to try and stay on top of them [22:49] [TOPIC] === Any Other Business === [22:49] TOPIC: === Any Other Business === [22:49] o/ [22:49] Sorry if I missed it (working during this meeting, silly hurricane), do we have Beta announcement notes for the site? [22:49] Beta1 this next week. Let's try and get a good news writeup. It is going to happen, for sure. [22:50] thanks charlie-tca [22:50] not yet [22:50] GridCube: your turn [22:50] just give me a nudge this week when we've got them [22:50] I have the top 10 done pretty much [22:50] Sure will [22:50] When it is ready, just give pleia2 the URL [22:51] i've made a shorturl http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/2e/31/0000312e.jpeg [22:51] no not that one [22:51] or give it now, and maybe she will be kind enough to look it over and see if we need to change anything [22:51] I am on the top 10 google doc [22:51] http://alturl.com/qq8o4 [22:51] there [22:51] GridCube: cactus! :) [22:51] Thanks! [22:51] XD yes huge cactus [22:52] any thing to be discussed? [22:52] pleia2: can you take a look when you get a chance? [22:52] number 10 question needs a lot of work tho [22:52] charlie-tca: will do [22:53] Thank you. [22:53] Let's go back to work then. [22:53] #endmeeting [22:53] Meeting ended Sun Aug 28 22:53:17 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4) [22:53] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-08-28-22.01.moin.txt [22:53] :D [22:53] good evening to all [22:53] and thank you for making xubuntu [22:53] :D [22:53] mr_pouit: I have tried every way I know to reproduce the missing menus, and just don't seem to be able to [22:53] Thank all of you for participating in this meeting. [22:54] :D [22:54] :) [22:54] :) [22:55] What is this? A smiley contest? [22:55] :3 [22:55] charlie-tca: thanks, sorry for your time asted, I'll try tomorrow and see what I come up with [22:55] *wasted [22:55] ☺ [22:55] (>^_^)> [22:55] No problem. I just really wanted to get that tested [22:56] :-) [22:56] I've heard that networkmanager is crap, is i true? some ppl change for another programs, like wicd or conman :] [22:56] no, not true [22:56] Some people don't like it, and it didn't work so good in some previous releases. [22:57] It works very good now, though [22:57] some ppl said, that on KDE were problems :] [22:57] (almost 1am here, so good night) [22:57] ok, go sleep too :] [22:57] have a nice night :D [22:58] Thank you, mr_pouit. Good night [22:58] night mr_pouit [22:59] Olbi: KDE uses a modified version of network manager, called knetwork-manager [22:59] That might be having problems. We use the same version as Ubuntu, and it really is pretty good now. [23:00] i have never had problems whit it [23:00] but then again i just plug and internet [23:00]