[12:28] <gary_poster> bac benji (danilos gmb are on vacation IIRC): call in about 2
[12:29] <bac> k
[12:38] <gary_poster> benji, do I get to have a friend at Clojure conj?  :-) I've been practicing in 4clojure.com ;-)
[12:40] <benji> gary_poster: I'm afraid not.  I don't see how Katie could keep up with the kids for that long.  I hate to miss it.
[12:40] <gary_poster> I very much understand, benji, even though it sucks.
[12:40] <gary_poster> :-)
[12:50] <benji> gary_poster: wow, I'm getting an aura (it's like a migrane without the pain but with visual disturbances and sometimes other nurological symptoms); I'm going to take a 10 or 15 minute break until I can see the screen again without looking our the corner of my eye :)
[13:00] <gary_poster> benji, of course.  doesn't sound fun :-(
[13:02] <benji> gary_poster: it's actally not bad, just jind of wierd no being able to see well :)  I'm just thankful I don't get real migranes
[13:02] <gary_poster> ack
[13:21] <bac> wow, memory is super cheap now.  just bought 4 x 4GB for $95
[13:21] <bac> on a related note, OS X Lion is a pig
[13:22] <gary_poster> and kinda buggy, it seems :-/
[13:28] <bac> i mainly have trouble with aperture, which was pretty solid pre-lion but hangs and crashes a lot now
[14:21] <benji> ok, I think I'm close enough to normal again
[14:32] <bac> gary_poster: i've put a pdb breakpoint in some model code and am running a unit test (not doctest).  rather than breaking like normal it is just hanging but not bringing up the debugger.  you ever seen this?
[14:34] <gary_poster> bac, sure, but for mundane reasons you have encountered too, I'm sure.  Most often I encounter this kind of thing because model code is doing something thread-y, or because someone has hijacked stdout.  Beyond that...thinking...
[14:34] <bac> shouldn't be either of those...
[14:35] <gary_poster> bac, you could try adding a print statement before the pdb to verify stdout; could this maybe be job-related?
[14:35] <bac> dunno
[14:35] <bac> thx
[15:26] <benji> gary_poster: I'm afraid this is getting bad again.  I'm going to have to lay down for a while.
[15:28] <gary_poster> benji, ok. take it easy.