[00:04] <urlin2u> charlie-tca, I'm not a launchpad membor would you like the crashes.
[00:43] <valorin> Anyone experiencing this problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/834248  - Where windows resting on the edge of a workspace move into the next one when clicked in the launcher or via ALT+TAB, making it impossible to switch to these windows without manually going to the workspace.
[02:37] <billybigrigger> any xchat users here?
[03:25] <AlienX> it looks like libXp.so.6 was removed from ia32-libs. Is there any way I can download that lib? perhaps from natty?
[03:26] <micahg> AlienX: install the i386 version of it?
[03:27] <AlienX> micahg, I thought about that, but wasn't sure if it'd break anything
[03:27] <micahg> well, is this for skype?
[03:27] <AlienX> since I think it's in the libxp6:i386 package
[03:27] <AlienX> nah, I got the skype stuff worked out. This is actually for the citrix ica client
[03:28] <micahg> oh :(, is that i386 only as well?'
[03:28] <micahg> I"d suggest installing the i386 version of it with the i386 libs
[03:29] <AlienX> it actually wants to remove 'libmotif4 libxp6 motif-clients xubuntu-desktop' if i try 'apt-get install libxp6:i386' which is kind of not ok :(
[03:30] <micahg> AlienX: sorry, I'm wrong, it's not multiarch ready, that could've been a bug, just make sure one is filed against ia32-libs and someone will take a look
[03:30] <AlienX> micahg, no worries. I'll go ahead and file it right now. Thanks for the help.
[03:33] <Drakeson> is compiz expected to be slow at the moment, or is it because my hardware is too weak for it?
[03:40] <AlienX> micahg, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/836397 does that look descriptive enough?
[03:50] <Gredeu> i've upgraded to onceiric 3.0.3 kernel and i installed module init tools.  one that is lacking is a fsck process.  my base system is ubuntu natty.
[04:34] <micahg> AlienX: that looks great, thanks
[04:36] <AlienX> micahg, good deal
[05:05] <simpleblue> can i update a daily build?
[05:24] <Drakeson> Is it possible to run another window manager with the unity's launcher and the panel (which includes the appmenu)?
[05:32] <jbicha> Drakeson: which one did you have in mind?
[05:32] <Drakeson> openbox
[05:40] <Drakeson> jbicha: do you know any other that you can run?
[05:43] <jbicha> Unity uses Compiz and Unity 2D uses Metacity
[05:44] <jbicha> and you're welcome to just try and let us know if it works
[05:46] <Drakeson> jbicha: Do I need to install anything else besides `unity-2d' ?
[05:46] <Drakeson> (e.g., another session).
[05:47] <jbicha> you could try logging into Unity 2D and then doing openbox --replace
[05:47] <jbicha> you may also want to look at /usr/share/xsessions/ and /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/
[05:48] <jbicha> I've never really used openbox though
[06:17] <Drakeson> jbicha: thanks, somehow it is working, more or less. I had to create session files in both directories you mentioned, and also an openbox.desktop in /usr/share/applications. (not having those files is probably a bug)
[07:03] <bullgard6> GNOME 3 doesnot provide applets. Are there plans to provide the old applet programs in new format for GNOME 3?
[07:16] <jbicha> bullgard6: no, you can use gnome-panel 3 for the time being but gnome-panel will be killed off too
[07:20] <bullgard6>  jbicha What do you mean by "gnome-panel 3"?
[07:20] <jbicha> bullgard6: sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
[07:20] <jbicha> then choose GNOME Classic from the login screen
[08:33] <bullgard6> jbicha: You did not answer my question. I asked for GNOME 3. »GNOME Classic« is no GNOME 3.
[08:37] <jbicha> bullgard6: actually it's still part of GNOME 3
[08:37] <jbicha> anyway, apps can also use the messaging tray or extend the top bar with an extension
[08:48] <bullgard6> jbicha: Thank you for commenting.
[10:19] <topyli> hrm. where are gnome-shell extension? :-o
[10:43] <jbicha> topyli: see https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Extensions they've not been packaged in Debian yet because there is no system-wide extension manager yet
[10:46] <topyli> :(
[10:46] <topyli> alright, thanks
[10:49] <jbicha> if you look hard enough you can also find a .deb for them but it's not official yet
[11:30] <nperry> Is multiarch working yet?
[11:31] <nperry> for example if i try sudo apt-get install skype:i386 its not there, do i need to enable the i386 repos?
[11:32] <jtaylor> skype is not in the repo yet
[11:32] <jtaylor> you can use the version from natty but need to install the i386 libraries manually
[11:33] <jtaylor> libXss libqtcore4 libqtgui4 etc
[11:34] <nperry> jtaylor: forgot already got natty partner setup..
[11:58] <penguin42> hmm, a do-release-upgrade has just segfaulted for me  - doesn't seem to have left a core or anything
[11:58] <Ian_Corne> ouch
[12:02] <penguin42> looks like it was at the end fortunately
[12:04] <penguin42> hmm, seems to reboot ok - I'll let it get on installing dev stuff while I have breakfast
[12:09] <Ian_Corne> The following packages have been kept back: brltty gvfs gvfs-backends gvfs-fuse lib32ncurses5 lib32ncursesw5 libncurses5 libncursesw5 libv4l-0 ncurses-bin
[12:09] <Ian_Corne> for anyone else?
[12:09] <Ian_Corne> been kept back for a few days now
[12:17] <jtaylor> is there a way to fix enigmail in thunderbird?
[12:18] <jtaylor> getting tired of manualy signing my mails ._.
[12:43] <penguin42> interesting; just installed xubuntu-desktop on a vm and it has the new style login - but completely white on black, and it has the proper icons at the top left which my other machines are unhappy with
[13:34] <D3RGPS31> using xdm and openbox; global and user autorun aren't executed, can be run manually; Alpha 3, using fglrx
[13:36] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:40] <D3RGPS31> also, nautilus crashes with the error 'Segmentation fault (core dumped)' at start
[13:43] <Pretto> does anyone is having problems running java apllications? Here it doenst draw buttons when launched
[13:44] <Ian_Corne> minecraft?
[13:44] <Ian_Corne> I don't have any other java application :p
[13:45] <D3RGPS31> Pretto: openjdk or sun-java
[13:45] <D3RGPS31> Ian_Corne: i went there to check :v
[13:48] <D3RGPS31> this channel feels dead :|
[13:49] <Ian_Corne> D3RGPS31: it's not dead
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> and i just asked if the app was minecraft
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> i'll try to run it
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> but i'm on the OS drivers
[13:50] <D3RGPS31> i wasn't able to run any java gui
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> it draws "options" and "login"
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> and shows the news and stuff
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> so it should be working
[13:51] <Ian_Corne> openJDK
[14:15] <gnomefreak> is fglrx fixed yet?
[14:18] <Ian_Corne> i don't know, jockey is still broken
[14:21] <gnomefreak> ok thanks
[14:28] <gnomefreak> something is so wrong here. i dont get grub or plymouth at all
[14:31] <gnomefreak> where do i change login display from?
[14:32] <gnomefreak> nevermind
[14:36] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, hold down the shift key after the bios screen til the grub menu appears
[14:47] <gnomefreak> ok ummm is it broken or just shitty design?
[14:49] <gnomefreak> brb smoke
[14:57] <gnomefreak> ok thanks odd. i seem to have lost my window controls
[14:57] <gnomefreak> s/thanks/thats
[15:13] <jakemp> just updated, and a bunch of icons dissappeared from the left bar, and the top bar seems to be using old style icons and is light grey
[15:13] <jakemp> I assume this means unity is running in 2D mode
[15:27] <psalden> I just installed gnome-shell and like how it can finally be used alongside unity. However, it's kinda annoying to see it shares the settings for themes, fonts, etc with unity. Is this planned to change at some point?
[16:27] <jussi> hrm, seems jockey is broken here on one-eye-ric, can someone direct me to the cli way of installing the nvidia drivers?
[16:29] <Ian_Corne> same for me jussi
[16:29] <genii-around> jussi: I usually just sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[16:30] <jussi> genii-around: do I need to run nvidia-xconfig anymore? or does it do all that with the package now?
[16:32] <genii-around> jussi: If your xorg.conf doesn't have already the Driver  "nvidia" in the Device section, yes
[16:34] <jussi> genii-around: I dont have an xorg.conf :)
[16:34] <genii-around> Then yes
[16:58] <bjsnider> jussi, jockey will create an appropriate xorg.conf file
[16:58] <jussi> bjsnider: I encourage you to read a little more backlog :)
[16:58] <bjsnider> if hte graphical version is broken you can use jockey-text
[16:59] <bjsnider> jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia_current
[17:00] <jussi> bjsnider: jockey is broken
[17:00] <jussi> I have a bug in for it
[17:01] <bjsnider> even jockey-text?
[17:01] <jussi> yep
[17:02] <jussi> bug 657829
[17:02] <jussi> anywya, got to go for a while.
[17:02] <bjsnider> well, nvidia-xconfig is not specificaly made for debian/ubuntu so it may add things to your xorg.conf that should not be there
[17:50] <billybigrigger> is empathy borked for everyone else too?
[18:11] <ssargennto> Hello all, I'm using 11.10 and it keeps only offering me a partial upgrade...i saw a sticky on the forums that said to wait a bit and let update manager sort it it but its been 3 days and still only a partial upgrade. is there a better way to install updates right now in 11.10?
[18:12] <jtaylor> does it want to remove something?
[18:13] <psalden> I dunno about any forum post, but up till now I just did apt-get dist-upgrade all the time which seemed to work fine
[18:14] <jtaylor> mostly its ok
[18:14] <ssargennto> it didnt say anything about removing any packages
[18:14] <jtaylor> you just need to look what it removes, when its e.g. ubuntu-desktop don't do it
[18:14] <jtaylor> dist-upgrades adding new packages are pretty much always safe
[18:15] <ssargennto> so its best to just use terminal and use apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[18:15] <jtaylor> I prefer it
[18:15] <jtaylor> its faster :)
[18:15] <jtaylor> gui takes to start up
[18:15] <ssargennto> i agree i do like using apt in terminal a bit more
[18:18] <ssargennto> boo.. getting errors updating
[18:18] <ssargennto> brb gonna reboot
[18:19] <psalden> actually, the gui tool failed for me a few times, while the terminal equivalent did fine
[18:26] <BluesKaj> getting index file errors :  GPG error: http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com oneiric Release ...anyone else , or is it just my server?
[18:26] <jtaylor> hm I had that for my armel chroot a while ago
[18:26] <jtaylor> are you using a proxy?
[18:27] <BluesKaj> jtaylor, nope
[18:27] <urlin2u> do you get a key in that error
[18:27] <BluesKaj> using a dns service tho
[18:27] <jtaylor> try updating again in a few minutes/hours
[18:27] <BluesKaj> yes The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[18:28] <jtaylor> had exactly that too
[18:28] <jtaylor> getting the Release per wget gave a correct signature then
[18:28] <BluesKaj> ok
[18:29] <urlin2u> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5
[18:29] <urlin2u> run that
[18:29] <jtaylor> dhould not be necessary
[18:29] <jtaylor> he has the pub key, just the file is corrupted
[18:29] <urlin2u> okay
[18:30] <jtaylor> the Release file
[18:30] <urlin2u> the file is I see
[18:33] <BluesKaj> urlin2u, yeah I ran that command before ...still getting the error : unable to resolve host address `40976eaf437d05b5 ubuntu archive automatic signing key'
[18:34] <urlin2u> sounds like jtaylor is the one to listen to
[18:38] <ssargennto> anybody having trouble updating packages? my internet connection is working properly and if i use update manager it tells me to check my connection, and if i use apt i just get an error occurred during signature verification
[18:39]  * penguin42 has had some packages failing to validate lately
[18:40] <jtaylor> there is some issue with the main archive: http://paste.ubuntu.com/677386/
[18:40] <penguin42> it would be nice if it told us what was bad about it
[18:41] <jtaylor> it can't
[18:41] <penguin42> oh so it's actually that the sig doesn't match the data - as opposed to something like an out of date etc ?
[18:42] <ssargennto> glad to know its not just me
[18:47] <BluesKaj> anyone else have digital clock issues ..how many settings have to be changed in order to get the damn thing to read the format that you set in it ...it's a pos Imo
[18:48] <BluesKaj> this has been an issue since 10.04 on my pc
[18:48] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, what now?
[18:49] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger, AM/PM 12 hr format ...is it too much to ask ?
[18:50] <BluesKaj> it's reads properly in the dialog , just doesn't translate to widget
[18:54] <alupcs> Hi, does anyone know hotplug? I want to restrict USB-usage...
[18:55] <rfc1337> alupcs, there's no such thing
[18:55] <rfc1337> if you want to restrict usb-usage, i suggest doing it at a lower level... possibly putting tape over all usb ports
[18:56] <alupcs> On older versions of Ubuntu, one could blacklist the usb_storage driver
[18:57] <alupcs> btw, a usb-mouse should be allowed
[18:57] <rfc1337> oops wrong channel... i thought this was on sunos
[19:10] <h00k> Aaaaand Skype is broken ;) libXss.so.1 not found.
[19:10] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, am/pm 12hr works here
[19:11] <jtaylor> h00k: easily fixed, install libXss from i386
[19:11] <micahg> or install skype:i386
[19:11] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger, gnome ?
[19:12] <ssargennto> BluesKaj, im using gnome and my clock is working right. reads 2:11pm right now
[19:12] <jtaylor> see the bug skype:i386 does not exist
[19:12] <jtaylor> see bug 830440
[19:12] <h00k> check it. cool.
[19:12] <BluesKaj> <KDE
[19:12] <ssargennto> ahh gotcha
[19:12] <micahg> jtaylor: you need natty partner installed (oneiric doesn't have skype yet)
[19:13] <jtaylor> ah yes that could be a reason why I don't have it, thx
[19:13] <micahg> h00k: ^^
[19:13] <h00k> oh, look, need to multiarch.
[19:13] <jtaylor> installed it via a package I had lying on my hdd
[19:13] <h00k> micahg: it's installed already.
[19:13] <h00k> micahg: if that's what you're getting at
[19:13] <h00k> I'm looking at the bug report now
[19:16] <h00k> installing the 32bit libraries
[19:31] <smallfoot-> its good that ubuntu cant compete with 30 year old operating systems
[19:31] <smallfoot-> ubuntu 11.10 vs windows 3.11 - change theme, win311 yes, ubuntu no!
[19:32] <urlin2u> smallfoot-, are you delusional?
[19:32] <smallfoot-> no
[19:32] <BluesKaj> smallfoot-, get a life
[19:32] <smallfoot-> please explain how to change theme in ubuntu 11.10
[19:32] <trism> smallfoot-: you can change the theme, there just aren't any dialogs to simplify it yet (except possibly gnome-tweak-tool)
[19:32] <smallfoot-> oh
[19:33] <smallfoot-> usability, win311 vs ubuntu
[19:33] <jtaylor> windows 3.11 is less than 30 years too ._.
[19:33] <smallfoot-> even in a 30 year old os you cuold personlize it with a gui dialog
[19:33] <jtaylor> I still used it and I'm not that old ^^
[19:33] <smallfoot-> oh it is? well that makes it much better, ubuntu vs a 25-29 year old os
[19:33] <jtaylor> try 18 years old
[19:34] <smallfoot-> oh, its only 18 years old?
[19:34] <smallfoot-> well, ubuntu still cant compete against a 18 year old os in terms of personlization, themeability, ease-of-use
[19:35] <urlin2u> smallfoot-, #ubuntu-offtopic sounds like where you need to share this :D
[19:36] <BluesKaj> so smallfoot- do you have any suggestions or did you just find this forum to rant , and if you wish , go ahead and use w3.1.1 , do you really think we care ?
[19:36] <smallfoot-> oh thx
[19:37] <smallfoot-> BluesKaj, yeah, i have a suggestion... ADD A CHANGE THEME DIALOG lol
[19:37] <BluesKaj> I don't use gnome
[19:37] <smallfoot-> but you cant change it with this unity sucks thing either
[19:37] <smallfoot-> so what you use?
[19:38] <BluesKaj> kde
[19:38] <smallfoot-> kde is beautiful.... it really is.. the art people have done a wonderful job
[19:38] <smallfoot-> unfortuntally its usability is horrible, its cluttered with 100000 senseless options
[19:38] <Pici> smallfoot-: Feel free to submit a patch or a package yourself.
[19:39] <smallfoot-> and is probably the worlds most bloated software ever
[19:39] <Pici> Otherwise you already know that this channel isn't for constant complaining.
[19:40] <smallfoot-> kde really could lend some graphics artists to gnome
[19:40] <smallfoot-> and gnome really could lend some usability people to kde
[19:40] <smallfoot-> wait, nevermind that, gnome was good in 2.x, now with 3.x it sucks
[19:55] <h00k> is there anything constructive?
[19:55] <h00k> as Pici said, feel free to submit a patch or package
[19:55] <h00k> Or wait until someone else does
[19:56] <h00k> smallfoot-: ^
[20:00] <bjsnider> h00k, no, it's a lot easier for them to bitch about subjective usability issues than to do anything about them
[20:00] <BUGabundo> evening, dear!
[20:02] <billybigrigger> howdy
[20:04] <BUGabundo> hey hey billybigrigger
[20:05] <BUGabundo> anyone willing to help create a package for pidgin-expand?
[20:05] <BUGabundo> or at least help the dev set up a PPA?
[20:05]  * BUGabundo looks at bjsnider
[20:05] <bjsnider> oh, here we go
[20:06] <bjsnider> is it in debian already?
[20:07] <BUGabundo> no
[20:08] <BUGabundo> :)
[20:08] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: https://code.google.com/p/expand/issues/detail?id=2
[20:08] <BUGabundo> just need your help :)
[20:08] <BUGabundo> he will do the rest
[20:08] <BUGabundo> I can't even get it to compile on my system
[20:08] <BUGabundo> meh
[20:09] <bjsnider> the thing is, creating a ppa isn't the big issue. the big issue is creating working debian build scripts
[20:10] <bjsnider> that can be done using dh-make
[20:10] <bjsnider> which creates a basic set of build scripts. but those scripts may not build the package no matter how simple it is
[20:11] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, what happens when you try to compile it? what is the error?
[20:11] <BUGabundo> sec
[20:11] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: http://paste.ubuntu.com/677444/
[20:11] <BUGabundo> config.status: error: cannot find input file: `po/Makefile.in.in'
[20:12] <jtaylor> Makefile.in.in? unusual
[20:12] <jtaylor> its should probably Makefile.in
[20:12] <bjsnider> you must not be following the recommended method to build the software
[20:12] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: congratulations on your jump! I am glad you were able to experience that.
[20:13] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: thanks!!!!
[20:13] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: is there one? :P
[20:13] <bjsnider> there should be an INSTALL file or something like it
[20:13] <BUGabundo> $ ll | pastebinit
[20:13] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/677446/
[20:13] <BUGabundo> the install.sh is wonked too
[20:14] <BUGabundo>  ./install-sh
[20:14] <BUGabundo> ./install-sh: no input file specified.
[20:14] <jtaylor> maybe it needs a autoreconf before starting configure?
[20:15] <bjsnider> there shouldn't be a maybe in this
[20:15] <bjsnider> it should be clearly documented by the dev
[20:15] <jtaylor> upstreams documenting their build system properly? in what fantasy world do you live in  ;)
[20:18] <bjsnider> it's not even worth spedning time on if the documentation isn't there
[20:18] <bjsnider> and it won't build
[20:18] <BUGabundo> ok
[20:18] <BUGabundo> ill file a bug
[20:18] <jtaylor> pff thats boring ^^
[20:20] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, try autoreconf
[20:20] <bjsnider> then configure
[20:20] <bjsnider> if autoreconf succeeds
[20:21] <BUGabundo> how do I do that?
[20:22] <bjsnider> open a terminal go into that directory and type autoreconf
[20:23] <bjsnider> you might not have all of the software installed
[20:23] <bjsnider> but try it
[20:23] <jtaylor> and run intltoolize
[20:24] <jtaylor> that shold fix the issue
[20:25] <bjsnider> assuming he has autotools installed
[20:25] <bjsnider> which he might not, since he's obviously never done this before
[20:25] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/677453/
[20:26] <BUGabundo> debsums: invalid package name 'default-jdk'
[20:26] <BUGabundo> meh .... that bug in debsums is back :(
[20:26] <BUGabundo> E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'if [ -x /usr/bin/debsums ]; then /usr/bin/debsums --generate=nocheck -sp /var/cache/apt/archives; fi'
[20:26] <jtaylor> just tried it, tar xfz tarball; cd dir; mkdir po; intltoolize; ./configure; make works
[20:27] <BUGabundo> so where's intltoolize ?
[20:27] <jtaylor> apt-file search intltoolize
[20:27] <BUGabundo> even make clean is faling
[20:27] <BUGabundo> jtaylor: did that already
[20:27] <jtaylor> all works for me
[20:27] <BUGabundo> oh wait
[20:27] <BUGabundo> no , I did apt-cache search
[20:27] <bjsnider> i think there's a metapackage called autotools that has everything
[20:28] <jtaylor> there is an issue with potfile though
[20:28] <jtaylor> but thats probably not important if you don't want trnaslatiins
[20:28] <bjsnider> but it's been so long since i had to install it that i don't remember
[20:28] <jtaylor> intltool is in a seperate package
[20:28] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: autotools is (now) installed
[20:28] <BUGabundo> jtaylor: 32 or 64 bits?
[20:29] <BUGabundo> can you send me the plugin?
[20:29] <jtaylor> sudo apt-get install intltool; tar xfz expand-0.5.0.tar.gz; cd expand-0.5.0; mkdir po; intltoolize; ./configure; make
[20:30] <jtaylor> the plugin should then be in .libs
[20:30] <BUGabundo> AH
[20:30] <BUGabundo> found the prob
[20:30] <BUGabundo> I rm and untar again and it works
[20:31] <BUGabundo> stupid nautilus zip/tar addon is broken
[20:31] <BUGabundo> it fails to extract properly
[20:31] <BUGabundo> already happened the other day
[20:31] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, did you just grab the latest unprepared code or did you download the most recent stable release tarball?
[20:31] <BUGabundo> stable
[20:31] <BUGabundo> 0.5
[20:32] <bjsnider> the dev didn't prepare the tarball enough
[20:32] <BUGabundo> $ ls -lha /usr/lib/pidgin/expand.*
[20:32] <BUGabundo> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  970 2011-08-29 21:31 /usr/lib/pidgin/expand.la*
[20:32] <BUGabundo> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 707K 2011-08-29 21:31 /usr/lib/pidgin/expand.so*
[20:32] <BUGabundo> it works
[20:32] <BUGabundo> now to test the plugin
[20:32] <BUGabundo> brb
[20:33] <BUGabundo> $ pidgin -nmd | grep expand
[20:33] <BUGabundo> (21:33:43) plugins: probing /usr/lib/pidgin/expand.so
[20:34] <BUGabundo> can anyone post a tinyurl please
[20:38] <trism> http://pad.lv/1 ?
[20:42] <BUGabundo> bjsnider:  jtaylor: thanks guys, for putting up with me. now let me try a checkout
[20:42] <jtaylor> btw now that the problem is solved file a bug :)
[20:43] <BUGabundo> I did
[20:43] <BUGabundo> now I need to automate this
[20:43] <BUGabundo> seems they do a lot of commits
[20:48] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, i think you should learn debian packaging and ppa use. i would definitely subscribe to a BUGabundo ppa
[20:48] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: you mean ubunturollingdistrounstable?
[20:49] <bjsnider> it's easier to send software into a ppa and build it in pbuilder and whatnot than you might think
[20:49] <BUGabundo> if there was a rolling distro, with packages as recent as Ubuntu, a good package manager, and a great UI. I would move to it
[20:50] <BUGabundo> HOT
[20:50] <BUGabundo> manage to get it to build and install from source trunk
[20:51] <BUGabundo> $ hg update
[20:51] <BUGabundo> 0 files updated, 0 files merged, 0 files removed, 0 files unresolved
[20:51] <BUGabundo> its ready to go
[20:51] <BUGabundo> let me write a recepy for this
[20:52] <jbicha> BUGabundo: that's basically the Ubuntu development version, it just gets a bit rough earlier in the cycle and more conservative once it goes into beta
[20:52] <BUGabundo> alias expandeupdate='cd /home/bugabundo/temp/expand; hg clone https://code.google.com/p/expand/; ./autogen.sh ; make, sudo make install'
[20:53] <BUGabundo> jbicha: no its not... trust me... I've tested ALL ubuntu dev cycles since 6.10
[20:54] <BUGabundo> I should blog about this one
[20:54] <BUGabundo> alias swapnas='sudo losetup /dev/loop0 /mnt/NAS/homes/bugabundo/disks/swapfile4 ; sudo swapon /dev/loop0'
[20:55] <BUGabundo> next: to get fdupes upgraded to 1.5
[20:59] <jbicha> BUGabundo: but how would your Ubuntu rolling be different? and how much work would it take for the distro maintainer?
[20:59] <BUGabundo> jbicha: no idea.........
[21:39] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:39] <BUGabundo> compiz is unstable
[21:39] <BUGabundo> :\
[21:42] <h00k> surpriiiiiiiise!
[21:43] <Saviq> hmm how do I enable the nvidia module without jockey (that crashes due to DeviceDriver d-bus being unavailable)?
[21:44] <jtaylor> sudo apt-get install nvidia-current may do it
[21:44] <Saviq> yeah it didn't, I'm still getting nouveau loaded, let me try on the console to see what happens
[21:45] <Saviq> hmm actually no, I didn't get it installed for some reason
[21:47] <SpamapS> anybody else on a MBP on oneiric just randomly lose the trackpad?
[22:00] <yofel> Saviq: you need to run nvidia-xconfig too after installing it with apt
[22:14] <alex_mayorga> The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com> ??
[22:16] <jtaylor> yes there was an issue with the signing a while ago
[22:16] <alex_mayorga> jtaylor: any fixes?
[22:16] <jtaylor> the fix will have to propaget to all mirros I guess
[22:16] <jtaylor> wait a while
[22:16] <alex_mayorga> OK, thanks
[22:24] <bjsnider> propagate
[22:34] <h00k> I had the same signing thing recently
[23:10] <BluesKaj> watchout for muon , it wants to take your whole desktop if you try to remove any default apps :P