 Anyone experiencing this problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/834248  - Where windows resting on the edge of a workspace move into the next one when clicked in the launcher or via ALT+TAB, making it impossible to switch to these windows without manually going to the workspace.
[01:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 834248 in unity "Oneiric: Non-maximized windows which sit on the border of a workspace move when called from another workspace (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[01:32] <htorque> valorin: confirmed your bug, but i'm not sure if that's not a compiz bug (don't worry, people will find out and re-assign if necessary)
[01:33] <valorin> Ah cool, thanks. It's present in Natty, and no one seams to have noticed or cared enough to fix it though :( Oneiric was all good until a week ago when it appeared agian...
[02:23] <valorin> htorque, I've updated the bug as jbicha identified a case where it wasn't working. It's actually being triggered when windows are against the LOWER edge of a bottom workspace, and called from an UPPER workspace. Make sense? Now, to wait for it to get some attention from the devs... Bug #834248
[02:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 834248 in unity "Oneiric: Non-maximized windows which sit on the bottom edge of the lower workspaces shift downwards when called from an upper workspace. (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834248
[05:45] <cjae> Im am pretty sure there is an issue when writing files to fat32
[10:14] <htorque> om26er_: hi! don't you think bug 835362 should rather get low priority? it's a. not really a bad bug and b. you'd need to hit a small time frame of maybe 100ms to trigger it.
[10:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 835362 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "DND: Fails to drag items on the desktop if launcher bar starts to fade on mouse button release (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/835362
[10:15] <om26er_> htorque, its a regression from previous version, it made me angry a few times as well ;-)
[10:15] <om26er_> i would drop the icon and it would come back to its place :/
[10:17] <htorque> ok, if it made you angry, then let's leave it at medium :P
[10:17] <om26er_> htorque, ;)
[15:36] <hggdh> OK. As of today bugzilla.gnome.org is not accessible from firefox (at least Oneiric): b.g.o certificate has expired, and bloody dumb Firefox does not provide a way to store an exception anymore.
[15:37]  * hggdh marvels on the blindness of programmers when faced with security issues
[15:37] <jtaylor> storing an exception is a security risk, it should be hard to do
[15:38] <jtaylor> thats current security practice
[15:38] <hggdh> but not impossible. Security that prohibits access no matter what is just plain dumb.
[15:38] <jtaylor> yes
[15:38]  * jtaylor not using ff
[15:39] <hggdh> even more on X.509, which is known to be a bag of potential problems
[15:40] <hggdh> of course, this is implementation-specific. Chromium allows access (via override) and visually marks the certificate as bad
[15:49] <bdmurray> pedro_: I'm writing a bug pattern for bug 657829 re jockey
[15:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 657829 in jockey (Ubuntu) "jockey-gtk crashed with DBusException in call_blocking() (affects: 188) (dups: 203) (heat: 1762)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657829
[15:50] <pedro_> bdmurray, cool thanks!
[15:50] <jibel> is there some apport magic to report a bug about a release upgrade and attach the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade automatically ?
[15:59] <charlie-tca> jibel: I thought update-manager bugs do that?
[16:01] <jibel> charlie-tca, nope. not in manual mode.
[16:02] <jibel> charlie-tca, nm, I attached the logs one by one no big deal.
[16:03] <charlie-tca> yeah, but it would be easier to if apport did it
[16:03] <jibel> agreed.
[16:30] <bdmurray> jibel, charlie-tca: an update-manager bug could be about just using update-manager or a dist-upgrade.  However, I guess it could ask you ... "Is this about a distribution upgrade from one release to another?" and then include log files...
[16:35] <bdmurray> Okay I'll fix this now
[18:43] <bdmurray> jtaylor: to be clear your bug pattern could apply to any package that uses mono?
[18:44] <jtaylor> yes
[18:44] <bdmurray> jtaylor: did you search for other duplicates?
[18:44] <jtaylor> technically all mono packages that install into the gac
[18:45] <jtaylor> bdmurray: yes although its possible I may have missed some
[18:46] <bdmurray> jtaylor: okay, great thanks!
[18:48] <jtaylor> thx for merging
[18:49] <bdmurray> no problem, it seems like it might be better to just prevent these from being reported altogether though
[18:50] <jtaylor> that would require an apport hook?
[18:51] <jtaylor> also I do want them reported for now, as it is not yet clear why this file gets modified so often
[18:51] <bdmurray> well if it was just one source package then you could use an apport package hook
[18:51] <bdmurray> because it is a multi-package thing you'd need to modify general-hooks/ubuntu.py
[18:51] <bdmurray> okay that makes sense then
[18:52] <jtaylor> the few reports we got up to now where not very conclusive
[18:52] <bdmurray> However, the bug pattern would redirect people to 805717 so you might want to put a general comment in the description if there isn't one.  "Hey how did you muck up this file?"
[18:53] <jtaylor> I put a general comment into it
[18:53] <jtaylor> "It is still unclear what causes the installation to get modified, please report if you remember what could have changed the installation (e.g. installing mono from source) and attach the modified /usr/lib/mono/2.0/mscorlib.dll to the bug."
[18:53] <bdmurray> okay awesome
[18:55] <bdmurray> pedro_: would you use a bzr hook if untagged a bug bugpattern-needed, tagged it bugpattern-written and unsubscribed ubuntu-bugcontrol?
[18:55] <bdmurray> er if it
[18:57] <pedro_> bdmurray, oh yes i would , totally
[18:57]  * bdmurray todos it
[19:35] <bil21al> i want to report a bug of ALT+TAb in which pakage it will be reported??
[19:36] <pedro_> what's the bug about?
[19:36] <bil21al> dextop is not shows
[19:36] <bil21al> destop
[19:37] <pedro_> desktop not being shown when you alt+tab ?
[19:37] <pedro_> that'd be perfect for me ;-)
[19:37] <bil21al> yes
[19:37] <bil21al> how??
[19:37] <pedro_> bil21al, if you're running unity, file it under unity
[19:37] <bil21al> ok
[19:38] <bil21al> pedro_ are u a ubuntu member i have seen ur comment on my bugs also???
[19:40] <pedro_> bil21al, i am , yes
[19:40] <charlie-tca> bil21al: pedro_ is one the busiest triagers
[19:41] <charlie-tca> He might even be Number 1 in the triagers
[19:41] <pedro_> bil21al, paste the link to that unity bug you're filing, probably there's going to be another person interesting on it :-)
[19:41] <bil21al> ok
[19:41]  * pedro_ been 'commenting' a lot about the alt+tab
[19:41]  * pedro_ hugs charlie-tca
[19:41] <bil21al> i m not filing man i m just adding more information
[19:41] <pedro_> charlie-tca, hello! :-)
[19:41] <charlie-tca> Hello, pedro_
[19:41] <pedro_> bil21al, find it? could you give us the link ? ;-)
[19:42] <pedro_> i'm feeling really lost with the alt+tab of unity
[19:42] <yofel> what does it do?
[19:42] <pedro_> and the focus of the apps, oh men
[19:43] <bil21al> great man nice to meet u u have also triaged my bug today in gnome setting
[19:43] <bil21al> pedro_ here is the bug bug/836315
[19:44] <pedro_> bug 836315
[19:44] <yofel> lp 836315
[19:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 836315 in unity "'Show Desktop' fails to hand focus to desktop (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836315
[19:44] <bil21al> yes yes this
[19:45] <yofel> bil21al: ubot won't trigger if you don't use 'bug<space>NUM' syntax
[19:46] <bil21al> mean?? yofel:
[19:46] <yofel> bug/386315
[19:46] <yofel> -> nothing happens
[19:46] <yofel> bug 836315
[19:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 836315 in unity "'Show Desktop' fails to hand focus to desktop (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836315
[19:46] <yofel> see?
[19:47] <bil21al> hmm
[19:48] <bil21al> yofel u are also a triager  i have also seen ur name is it??
[19:48] <yofel> yep, although I don't do that much triaging these days
[19:51] <bil21al> ok but u are also a good person  and also a good triager  i have seen there.nice to meet you.
[19:52] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: fyi I'm ahead of pedro at the moment http://people.canonical.com/~brian/reports/mailing-lists/most-active-commenters.txt
[19:53] <charlie-tca> I am probably on the bottom of the list these days
[19:53] <charlie-tca> whew! pedro_ has a ways to go to catch you, too
[19:54] <yofel> heh, I'm somewhere in the middle with 18.
[21:13] <bil21al> yofe : here is a problem help me
[21:14] <bil21al> yofel
[21:14] <yofel> if would help if you told me the problem...
[21:14] <bil21al> see this https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/836315
[21:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 836315 in unity "'Show Desktop' fails to hand focus to desktop (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:15] <bil21al> what i do?? now
[21:16] <yofel> I don't know. I'm triaging ubuntu bugs. That bug isn't against ubuntu but against unity.
[21:16] <yofel> so not really our field of work
[21:16] <yofel> bil21al: it would probably help though if you told the exact version of unity you're using
[21:17] <bil21al> i m using latest updated oneirics
[21:17] <bil21al> 11.10
[21:17] <yofel> the bug doesn't say so, and add the package version that's currently in oneiric
[21:18] <yofel> apt-cache policy unity will tell you what you have installed
[21:21] <bil21al> i run that any info came now what i do now? ubuntu member can remove the comments.
[21:22] <yofel> huh? nobody can remove comments except launchpad admins IIRC
[21:22] <yofel> just add the package version and release to the bugs description
[21:23] <bil21al> hmm ok if i say sory or change the status than?
[21:24] <yofel> ok wait, I was mixing something up here
[21:25] <yofel> bil21al: ask the reporter to add the version of unity he's using to the bug
[21:26] <yofel> don't ask me more though, I'm not a unity bug triager
[21:26] <bil21al> by apport collect??
[21:26] <bil21al> ok
[21:26] <yofel> well no, apport would be for bugs against the unity package in ubuntu
[21:26] <yofel> that bug is filed against the unity project, not against the ubuntu package
[21:27] <yofel> find the bug supervisors for the unity project (probably in #ayatana) and ask them what they need so the bug is triaged
[21:27] <bil21al> ok
[21:28] <bil21al> thank you bro