[00:22] <akgraner> I'm about to give up and just use evolution  - but I hate that!
[00:22] <mhall119> akgraner: apt-get install enigmail
[00:22] <akgraner> I did that
[00:22] <akgraner> DOH!
[00:23] <mhall119> and it wasn't compatible?
[00:23] <mhall119> where did you get thunderbird from?
[00:23] <akgraner> I was following the instructions on this page - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[00:23] <akgraner> I downloaded from the software center
[00:24] <mhall119> hmmm, compatibility issues from teh repos isn't good
[00:24] <akgraner> I'll figure it out - but I'm not looking at it anymore tonight... I was able to send an encrypted email but Pete could not unencrypt it
[00:24] <mhall119> did you encrypt it to him?
[00:24] <akgraner> I don't know that that is the problem - I'll let Pete look over it
[00:25] <mhall119> heh, ok
[00:25] <akgraner> apparently I did but he can't unencrypt it - and he said he wasn't doing any work or trouble shooting on a Sunday night
[00:25] <mhall119> you should rage-blog with Michelle
[00:26] <mhall119> also you should try ReadFeeder ;)
[00:26] <mhall119> but mostly the blogging
[00:26] <akgraner> I'm not good at rage blogging  b/c righteous anger posts usually show it was my fault and ignorance of my subject matter
[00:27] <mhall119> who said anything about righteous?
[00:27] <akgraner> I'd rather just calm down an re-approach with some new insight at a later date when my mind is more open to suggestion
[00:27] <akgraner> that's how mine would come across :-)  I know me
[00:27] <mhall119> aw, that's so reasonable
[06:14] <dpm> good morning all
[06:27] <jono> howdy dpm
[06:29] <dpm> hey jono, evening :)
[06:38] <jono> dpm, good weekend?
[06:43] <dpm> jono, an interesting one. Flew to Germany on Friday for a friends wedding, made a stop to Anne's parents, to find out just an hour earlier a hailstone storm had destroyed all of the roofs, windows and cars parked outside in town - the stones were like a tennis ball, no kidding, I had never seen something like that. So we spent Friday cleaning up the mess, Sat morning took the train went to the wedding, had a blast and came back yesterday night.
[06:43] <jono> dpm, holy crap
[06:43] <jono> dpm, that's *nuts*
[06:45] <nigelb> I'm never asking dpm "good weekend" ever :P
[06:45] <dpm> jono, yeah, it was unbelievable. Fortunately, we didn't notice anything of the storm during the flight, and there weren't any casualties in town - there was one somewhere else though :/
[06:45] <jono> lol
[06:45] <jono> wow that sucks
[06:45] <jono> sorry to hear that dpm
[06:45] <jono> and the lol was meant for nigelb
[06:45] <jono> I am not that much of an asshole
[06:46]  * dpm hugs jono
[06:46] <nigelb> haha
[06:46]  * nigelb hugs jono
[06:46]  * nigelb hugs dpm as well
[06:47] <dpm> jono, no worries. No one from the family got hurt, and material damage are, well, just things :)
[06:47]  * jono hugs dpm and nigelb
[06:47] <jono> dpm, indeed :-)
[06:57]  * dpm hugs nigelb ;)
[06:59] <dholbach> good morning
[06:59] <nigelb> Good Morning dholbach!
[07:07] <dpm> morning dholbach
[07:07] <dholbach> hi dpm
[07:16] <jono> hey dholbach
[07:28] <jono> night everyone!
[09:22] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:24] <czajkowski> timezones give me a headache what is 6am PDT
[09:29] <AlanBell> 2PM
[09:29] <czajkowski> cheers
[09:31] <nigelb> Oh No. Cranberry is crying again.
[09:33] <czajkowski> stick a dodo in it
[09:34] <nigelb> mhall119 is going to wake up unpleased. I'm sure his inbox is exploding as well as mine.
[10:40] <daker> nigelb, because of LD ?
[10:43] <nigelb> daker: I don't think its happening because of LD. But we''re getting emails from LD.
[10:43] <daker> because of what ?
[10:57] <nigelb> No clue :)
[10:58] <daker> nigelb, what kind of issue are you getting ?
[10:59] <nigelb> Out of Memory error
[10:59] <mhall119> I see :(
[11:03] <daker> mhall119, why they are still using mod_python ?
[11:12] <mhall119> sigh, I don't know :(
[11:12] <mhall119> probably no reason
[13:10] <jcastro> http://i.imgur.com/Hvihr.jpg
[13:17] <nigelb> Good morning jcastro
[13:18] <mhall119> jcastro: is that yours?
[13:19] <jcastro> heh no, who drinks arizona green tea, really.
[13:25] <mhall119> lol
[13:27] <nigelb> so definitely you.
[14:16] <paultag> nigelb: re your new project on gh - have you seen "the jargon file" or "the hacker's dictonary" ?
[14:17] <paultag> I have a copy of THD always :)
[14:17] <paultag> nigelb: http://www.dourish.com/goodies/jargon.html
[14:18] <nigelb> paultag: I haven't, looking :)
[14:18] <nigelb> paultag: ooh. My project was to build an open source place where you can put data on.
[14:18] <paultag> nigelb: I have like a 300 some odd page book of stuff :)
[14:18] <nigelb> \o/
[14:19] <paultag> oh sorry, 500 :)
[14:19] <paultag> nigelb: http://www.manybooks.net/titles/anonetext92jargn10.html <- it's really good
[14:19] <paultag> nigelb: might want to import that data into your project if it's not duplication
[14:22] <nigelb> paultag: of course! Like I said, my project isn't about data. Its about getting an open source platform to put the data out there
[14:22] <paultag> nigelb: just letting you know it exists :)
[14:22] <nigelb> :)
[14:27] <daker> any packaging ninja here ツ ?
[14:28]  * nigelb points to paultag 
[14:28] <paultag> o.O
[14:28] <paultag> I'm not even MOTU :)
[14:28] <paultag> daker: What's up?
[14:29] <daker> paultag, https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/+archive/slumber/+build/2750501
[14:29] <paultag> oop, ftbfs, cool
[14:29] <paultag> let's see what's up
[14:29] <paultag> daker: ah, it's a snap
[14:29] <paultag> pyversions: missing X(S)-Python-Version in control file, fall back to debian/pyversions
[14:29] <paultag> daker: you just need to throw a tag in your control
[14:29] <paultag> let me find you an example
[14:30] <paultag> daker: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~paultag/locolint/debian/view/head:/control
[14:30] <paultag> daker: if you have any other (more complex) issues, the python maint team in Debian rules
[14:33] <paultag> actually, at it's core it's because of setuptools, but I think that is included by default
[14:33] <paultag> crud, yeah
[14:34] <paultag> daker: that won't work, that tag is non-fatal, add python-setuptools to your build-deps
[14:34] <paultag> sorry
[14:34] <paultag> my bad, I should have read more. I got back to work and that was bugging me
[14:34] <daker> paultag, it's there http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~daker/slumber/deb-packaging/files
[14:34] <daker> but it doesn't want to work
[14:35] <paultag> interesting
[14:36] <paultag> daker: I don't see it in the build-log
[14:36] <paultag> daker: are you sure you dput the version with that on the build-deps?
[14:36] <daker> can you explain ?
[14:37] <paultag> daker: looking through your build logs, it shows packages to be installed -- I don't see python-setuptools in it
[14:37] <paultag> daker: when you built and uploaded the package, was python-setuptools in the build-deps?
[14:37] <paultag> daker: also, on an unrelated note, python-central is deprecated
[14:37] <paultag> same with -support, dh_python2 is prefered
[14:37] <daker> ah no
[14:38] <paultag> daker: just give it a re-upload with the fixed up debian directory, and it should be fine :)
[14:38] <paultag> worry about the deprecated stuff later
[14:38] <paultag> it's noncritical
[14:39] <daker> paultag, look at "Recipe contents" https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/+recipe/slumber-daily
[14:39] <daker> paultag, and i didn't upload any package
[14:40] <daker> i am using the bzr branch
[14:40] <paultag> daker: Ah. When did you add that to the build-deps?
[14:40] <daker> you mean the setuptools ?
[14:40] <paultag> daker: yes
[14:41] <daker> yesterday
[14:41] <paultag> daker: and when was that build log?
[14:41] <daker> 18 minutes ago
[14:42] <paultag> daker: because I don't see it grabbing that build-dep anywhere
[14:43] <daker> rebuilding again
[14:43] <paultag> well hold on
[14:43] <paultag> let's actually find the issue before we waste more builder time :)
[14:44] <daker> ok
[14:44] <daker> paultag, look now http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~daker/slumber/deb-packaging/view/head:/debian/control
[14:45] <paultag> let me just clone your stuff and try a local build
[14:45] <paultag> then we can see if it's a recipe / lp issue or actually an issue
[14:45] <daker> ok thanks
[14:48] <mhall119> akgraner: how's the email encryption going?
[14:50] <akgraner> Don't ask...
[14:50] <nigelb> heh
[14:51] <akgraner> I swear if I have to change to evolution to get this set up I am going to scream
[14:51] <nigelb> GPG - screaming guaranteed.
[14:51] <akgraner> I installed enigmail
[14:51] <nigelb> akgraner: what version of thunderbird?
[14:51] <paultag> daker: built correctly locally in a pbuilder chroot
[14:52] <paultag> daker: I'd ask LP folks. You're looking in the clear :)
[14:52] <daker> ツ
[14:52] <akgraner> and Thunderbird asks me a lot of questions I answer them - but somehow I sent the test message to pete but he couldn't unencrypt it for some reason
[14:52] <paultag> daker:  dpkg-genchanges  >../slumber_0.2.4-1_i386.changes
[14:52] <paultag> daker: it worked here
[14:52] <paultag> daker: so that means it's an issue with lp's recipes, which are woefully incomplete, I might add
[14:53] <paultag> daker: I'd ask them why it's using a stale cached copy or if it's ignorning a build-dep
[14:53] <paultag> because it is correct in a chroot
[14:53] <akgraner> version 3.1.12
[14:53] <daker> paultag, thanks
[14:53] <paultag> daker: sure, good luck
[14:54] <daker> paultag, maybe filing a bug report ? so i can follow
[14:55] <paultag> daker: ask in #launchpad :)
[14:55] <paultag> daker: just say that the recipie is failing on the lp builders, but not locally in a pbuild chroot
[14:56] <daker> ok thanks
[14:56] <paultag> the lp build is not pulling in a needed build-dep so something is either stale or ignoring the build-deps
[14:56] <paultag> daker: sure thing
[15:25] <jcastro> hey dholbach
[15:25] <jcastro> hey dholbach
[15:25] <dholbach> hey jcastro
[15:25] <dholbach> hey jcastro
[15:26] <jcastro> Good morning!
[15:26] <jcastro> you got lucky, I was going to figlet you
[15:26] <jcastro> but I mispasted
[15:27] <dholbach> go on then - what were you going to figlet?
[15:28] <jcastro> just hello
[15:28] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:28] <jcastro> and to ask if jono was around today, but he just answered that
[15:28] <jcastro> I am discombobulated, I didn't even know ahmed was on holiday
[15:29] <dholbach> yeah, Eid al Fitr
[15:30] <jono> hey dholbach
[15:30] <mhall119> akgraner: have you tried enigmail from mozilla.org instead of the repos?
[15:30] <jono> dpm, about set?
[15:30] <jono> may the calls begin :-)
[15:30]  * jcastro heads off to the land of lunch and metal.
[15:30] <mhall119> akgraner: also, what is your GPG key id?
[15:30] <akgraner> mhall119, yep and I get the incompability errors
[15:31] <mhall119> akgraner: you got compatibility errors from both moz.org and the repos?
[15:31] <jcastro> akgraner: you wouldn't have a problem if you stopped being a drug dealer
[15:31] <jono> jcastro, didnt realize you were coming round for lunch
[15:31] <jono> ;-)
[15:31] <jcastro> jono: oh right
[15:31] <jcastro> as if hetfield is hanging out right now
[15:31] <dpm> jono, all set!
[15:31] <jcastro> it's called a mercy friending
[15:31] <jono> jcastro, lol
[15:31] <jono> jcastro, friends with Hetfield and Rob Flynn now
[15:31] <akgraner> jcastro, :-P
[15:31] <jono> feeling good
[15:31] <jcastro> who is rob flynn?
[15:31] <jono> and Jorge Castro
[15:31] <jono> I know so many metal people
[15:32] <jono> jcastro, singer from Machine Head
[15:32] <jono> oh, and Tony Iommi
[15:32] <jono> lol
[15:32] <akgraner> I read that as mental people
[15:32] <jcastro> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/hatUS7MKVuL7gIiV1AnCdw?feat=embedwebsite
[15:32] <jono> akgraner, steady
[15:32] <jono> :-)
[15:32] <mhall119> akgraner: close enough
[15:32] <jcastro> I only have collected one
[15:32] <jono> jcastro, I hate you
[15:32] <jono> back soon
[15:32] <jono> dpm, firing up the hangout
[15:33] <akgraner> mhall119, I'll figure it out - I tried to import a key for someone but it wouldn;t let me
[15:33] <akgraner> I just need to send one person and encrypted email
[15:33] <paultag> akgraner: use gpg by hand :)
[15:33] <akgraner> s/and/an
[15:33] <paultag> and just attach it :)
[15:34] <akgraner> paultag, I don't know how to...:-(
[15:34] <jono> dpm, invite sent
[15:34] <mhall119> akgraner: my key id is 8981F572
[15:34] <mhall119> send me one
[15:34] <paultag> akgraner: what's the reciever's GPG key ID?
[15:35] <paultag> gpg --encrypt -r 8981F572 < ./file.txt
[15:35] <paultag> to send to mike there
[15:35] <akgraner> 83707638
[15:35] <paultag> gpg --encrypt -r 83707638 < ./file.txt # where file.txt is your message
[15:35] <akgraner> ahhh ok
[15:35] <paultag> then attach the .txt.asc or whatever it creates
[15:36] <akgraner> gotcha
[15:36] <jono> dpm, rebooting
[15:36] <akgraner> apparently Wil Wheaton prefer encrypted emails
[15:36] <paultag> akgraner: ah yes. He's a snazzy fellow
[15:37] <paultag> you can poke him on reddit too
[15:37] <paultag> akgraner: might want to GPG sign your message if he likes it secure
[15:37] <akgraner> paultag, I'm learning :-)
[15:37] <paultag> :)
[15:38] <akgraner> I'm also learning why it's easier to learn something when you want to accomplish something...it makes more sense
[15:38] <akgraner> than just learning it for the sake of learning it
[15:38] <paultag> yar
[15:38] <mhall119> akgraner: where did you import his key from?
[15:39] <akgraner> I searched for it on some key ring or something
[15:39] <akgraner> once sec I'll tell you exactly
[15:39] <paultag> http://wilwheaton.net/contact.php
[15:39] <akgraner> I know I went to passwords and clicked on find key
[15:39] <paultag> he has a pubkey there
[15:39] <akgraner> typed in his name and got his key
[15:39] <akgraner> yep I got his key from his sute too
[15:39] <paultag> that's not the "best" way
[15:39] <akgraner> site
[15:40] <akgraner> I knew which one I was looking for but still it would not let my import anything
[15:40] <jono> dpm, lets do skype
[15:40] <jono> using my other machine
[15:40] <dpm> jono, ok, firing it up
[15:40] <jono> I am having some weird kernel sound issues
[15:40] <jono> thanks dpm
[15:40] <jono> apologies for this
[15:41] <dpm> jono, no worries :-)
[15:41] <daker> paultag, <jelmer> daker: your debian version hasn't changed, so it won't do a new build
 daker: you probably want to update it to include the packaging branch revno
[15:41] <daker> paultag, i don't think i understand
[15:42] <mhall119> akgraner: that wasn't wil wheaton's key id, who's was it?
[15:42] <paultag> daker: if you upload n.m-1 twice, it won't rebuild it. If you upload n.m-2 then it will. You might want to add the recipie increment field somewhere in the changelog. I can't remember how to do that or where, but I'm pretty sure you can do it :)
[15:42] <akgraner> I dunno I may have transposes a number
[15:43] <paultag> daker: asking for help with the lpers is fine, they might have a wiki
[15:43] <mhall119> akgraner: no, it's not even similar
[15:43] <mhall119> I imported wheaton's from the website paultag linked to, and got 39EE9CCA
[15:43] <akgraner> I don't know it's one I got when I searched for his public keys
[15:44] <paultag> http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x7364BA6639EE9CCA
[15:44] <akgraner> I have to get some work done - I'll work on this a bit later
[15:44] <mhall119> akgraner: you can copy/paste the key text from his website into a file, then run "gpg --import $file" on that file
[15:44] <paultag> that looks right
[15:44] <paultag> yar
[15:44] <paultag> or just gpg --import, paste and ctrl +d
[15:44] <paultag> then you don't have to have a lame file sitting about
[15:44] <mhall119> ah, stdin, better way to do it
[15:45] <akgraner> ok I'll do that in a bit...:-)  thanks y'all
[15:45] <mhall119> akgraner: what's your key id?
[15:45] <akgraner> ummm I don't know that I know
[15:46] <akgraner> how sad is that
[15:46] <paultag> :(
[15:46] <paultag> akgraner: gpg --list-secret-keys
[15:46] <mhall119> akgraner: you want command line or seahorse way of finding it?
[15:47] <akgraner> E669DFF5
[15:47] <paultag> I don't see it on a keyserver
[15:47] <paultag> might want to push it out
[15:47] <paultag> and have the hubby sign it
[15:47] <akgraner> How do I do that?
[15:47] <akgraner> I'll ask Pete to help me later tonight
[15:47] <mhall119> I see an older one on the keyservers, 53F5EB5D
[15:47] <paultag> akgraner: use seahorse and use the sync function :)
[15:47] <akgraner> when he is done with work
[15:48] <mhall119> akgraner: open seahorse, Menu: Remmote->Sync and Publish Keys
[15:48] <akgraner> hmmm I'll get it all fixed tonight
[15:48] <akgraner> I never in a million years thought I would have to know how to do this
[15:49] <paultag> wil is a rad dude, I'm sure he'd love a little blurb up top about how much gpg sucks :)
[15:49] <paultag> he has a good sense of humor
[15:50] <mhall119> akgraner: you gotta hide your messages from the govment
[15:50] <mhall119> besides, cryptography is fun, all the cool kids are doing it
[15:50] <paultag> +1
[15:51] <mhall119> Peer Pressure Cryptography, FTW
[15:51] <paultag> :)
[15:52] <paultag> I need to set up mutt to let me do all this via vim
[15:52] <paultag> I have a exrc that lets me gpg encrypt with a keypress
[15:52] <paultag> but I could make it so nice for emailing
[15:52] <Pici> I thought mutt had that sort of stuff built in?
[15:53] <paultag> Pici: it might, I've never used it. It seems smartish
[15:53] <paultag> perhaps it's time to try it
[15:53] <Pici> I know my mutt attempts to verify key signatures, I haven't fixed it so that it actually works though.
[15:53] <paultag> hehehe
[15:54] <paultag> Pici: any tips for setting it up with gmail, on the off chance you do that?
[15:54] <Pici> paultag: Just a sec, I found some instructions back when I did it with mine.
[15:54] <paultag> Pici: thanks, dude :)
[15:56] <Pici> paultag: I'm pretty sure I used this: http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/howto/howto_setup_mutt_with_gmail_imap
[15:56] <paultag> Pici: thanks!!
[15:57] <Pici> paultag: np
[15:57] <paultag> I wonder if I can write little extention-lets to it
[15:57] <paultag> like when I get patches and stuff
[15:57]  * paultag shuffles off
[16:00] <dholbach> jono, ready? :)
[16:02] <jono> dholbach, give me two mins, bio break
[16:02] <dholbach> sure
[16:04]  * dpm goes for a break, to be back in a few
[16:04] <paultag> Pici: just worked famously :)
[16:04] <paultag> Pici: thank you!!
[16:05] <Pici> paultag: great!
[16:06] <jono> dholbach, ok, sorry got talking to Rick
[16:06] <jono> lets do skype
[16:06] <jussi> bah, whoever is designing unity likes to hide things - I dont like little appearing on mouseover things :(
[16:06] <jono> G+ hates me
[16:06] <dholbach> ok
[16:06] <jussi> (and, yes, Im trying out unity....)
[16:06] <dholbach> bah, I don't have skype installed on the new laptop
[16:06] <dholbach> hang on
[16:06] <dholbach> booting the old one
[16:07] <jono> dholbach, I will call your phone
[16:07] <jono> msg me
[16:07] <jono> it
[16:07] <jono> or I can wait
[16:07] <jono> np
[16:07] <dholbach> ah, it's not even available in oneiric
[16:08] <jussi> heh
[16:08] <jussi> I was just about to install it here...
[16:08] <jussi> I wonder if the one on skype website works
[16:08] <jono> dholbach, I use it in Oneiric
[16:08] <dholbach> did you upgrade?
[16:09] <jono> dholbach, yup
[16:09] <dholbach> this is a new installation :)
[16:09] <jono> dholbach, just give me your num, we don't have much time
[16:09] <jono> I will call your phone
[16:09] <dholbach> anyway, old machine started, skype started
[16:09] <jono> ahh cool
[16:24] <jcastro> jono: g+ doesn't hate you, the plugin broke in one eyed rick, it hates everyone equally
[16:26] <jussi> all hates are equal, just some hates are more equal than others?
[16:26] <nigelb> hey jussi!
[16:27] <jussi> nigelb: o/
[16:28] <nigelb> jussi: Not seen you around lately :)
[16:28] <jussi> nigelb: I have been travelling and am off again in the morning
[16:28] <nigelb> jussi: ah! ouch :)
[16:29] <jussi> nigelb: germany, luxembourg, belgium, holland, then on the weekend I was at the summer cottage - which has no phone reception, never mind internet
[16:30] <nigelb> jussi: soudns like too much fun for it to be work :P
[16:31] <jussi> nigelb: nah lots of work, had to test most of the day, long days, tiredness gets to you after a while
[16:31]  * jussi slaps oneiric for being broken
[16:31] <nigelb> heh
[16:32] <jussi> and for petes sake, someone tell me how to stop this nasty launcher from hiding itself... :(
[16:33] <AlanBell> super button to bring it back
[16:33] <AlanBell> and if you are running in virtualbox you have a single pixel target to hit :)
[16:44] <mhall119> jussi: ccsm will let you make it always display I think
[16:44] <mhall119> at least it used to
[16:44]  * mhall119 hasn't played with oneiric
[16:44] <jussi> someone said dconf, but I cant seem to make it work
[16:45] <mhall119> hmmm, I'm not sure how dconf works, sorry
[16:45] <mhall119> gnome3 fun
[16:46] <jussi> and the alt tab switcher is strange.
[16:46] <mhall119> I'm looking forward to that one, actually, I didn't like the old default switcher
[16:46] <jussi> but overall I can see the intent - just not quite doing things how I like them atm
[16:46] <mhall119> I currently have alt+tab mapped to scale plugin
[16:47] <jussi> I miss my kde switcher :(
[16:47] <mhall119> which makes finding a windows easier, but makes flipping between 2 more difficult
[16:47] <jcastro> mhall119: super-w is the default shortcut for that btw
[16:48] <jussi> ooh, thats a nice tip
[16:49] <jussi> right, so curent annoyances. does anyone care to listen?
[16:50] <jcastro> what's the problem?
[16:50] <jussi> jcastro: I guess its more things I miss, and may have to change.
[16:51] <jussi> the alt+f2 should search for programs in the same was as if I search for prgrams in the launcher
[16:51] <jussi> s/was/way
[16:51] <jcastro> seems to do that in 11.10 for me
[16:52] <jussi> not here, it needs a full command
[16:52] <jussi> (Im on 11.10)
[16:52] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it  aday
[16:52] <mhall119> jcastro: I know
[16:52] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow!
[16:52] <jussi> dholbach: laters
[16:52] <mhall119> jcastro: I have alt-tab doing per-workspace scaale and super+tab doing all windows scale
[16:53] <jussi> jcastro: the search for programs should clear when the menu/launcher thing closes.
[16:53] <jcastro> yeah it's  supposed to do that
[16:53] <jcastro> that's a bug
[16:53] <nigelb> This is neat attack http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/a-new-type-of-phishing-attack/
[16:53] <jussi> a bug is that the "more apps" doesnt get me anywhere...
[16:54] <jcastro> yeah the dash needs love this week
[16:54] <jcastro> but neil has been busy
[16:54] <jcastro> the collapser thing doesn't work either
[16:54] <mhall119> I'm excited about the Unity changes, looking forward to upgrading
[16:55] <jussi> the expand to full screen on edge touch is too sensitive - I need too be able to also put the window next to the edge sometimes...
[16:56] <jussi> I have annoyances with all the mopuseover effects, menu's, launcher and scroll bars, but if thats the philosophy my complaint probably wont make much difference.
[16:57] <jussi> oh, small bug, that we may or may not be able to fix - the skype in systray restore button doesnt say anything ( it does however work)
[16:58] <jussi> and printscreen doesnt work when I have it clicked...
[17:00] <jussi> mentalist is here, back laters :D
[17:01] <jcastro> jono: we might need to phone today, everything is broken for me in 11.10, no skype, no g+
[17:04] <jono> jcastro, np
[17:04] <jono> dpm, all set?
[17:05] <jono> dpm, actually, can you give me two mins?
[17:05] <dpm> jono, sure, ready when you are
[17:15] <jono> dpm, sorry, one sec, had a quick call, will be one min
[17:15] <dpm> jono, no worries
[17:17] <jono> dpm, ok all set
[18:00] <jono> can you give me a few mins, I have been back to back on calls and I just need a few mins to let my brain sooth
[18:00] <jono> soothe
[18:02] <jono> jcastro, ^
[18:03] <jcastro> jono: yeah no worries
[18:06] <jono> jcastro, which phone num?
[18:06] <jcastro> 248-677-1006
[18:06] <jcastro> same one I've always had
[18:07] <paultag> oh man
[18:07] <paultag> we have jcastro's number. Wat do?
[18:07] <jcastro> you have a google # I screen calls on
[18:07] <jono> jcastro, I just called
[18:07] <jono> no answer
[18:08] <jcastro> but then again, tiling window manager guys don't even have opposable thumbs, how will you dial?
[18:08] <pleia2> he just said he screens his calls ;)
[18:08] <paultag> jcastro: jesus, have you never used Fluxbox? It's not tiling :)
[18:08] <jono> lol
[18:08] <paultag> jcastro: go back to Unity :)
[18:10] <paultag> nigelb: haha, did you hear about the mozilla community leader ragequitting?
[18:10] <paultag> nigelb: because so many bugs are not delt with, that's illarous
[18:11] <nigelb> paultag: I did.
[18:11] <paultag> nigelb: hope that android bugzilla app helps, haha
[18:11] <paultag> they need it
[18:11] <nigelb> heh
[18:12] <nigelb> I'm going to do some team work with a friend this week to kkick it it into shape
[18:12] <jono> THATS IT i AM MOVING TO ARCH
[18:13] <paultag> that's too mainstream for me there jono. Mainstream is clearly overrated
[18:19] <nigelb> jono: haha, goo done!
[18:19] <nigelb> err
[18:19] <nigelb> good one
[18:20] <paultag> nigelb: have you got your @mozilla email yet?
[18:21] <nigelb> paultag: @mozilla is employees only.
[18:21] <paultag> what do the oss'ers get?
[18:21] <nigelb> not email, no.
[18:21] <paultag> damn
[18:22] <paultag> not even a @firefox or something
[18:22] <paultag> what a shame :)
[18:22] <nigelb> lol
[18:22] <paultag> I hate giving out my "real" email addy (any of them) since I filter 99% of my mail
[18:22] <nigelb> They're not for-profit.
[18:22] <paultag> nigelb: so? what does that have to do with anything?  :)
[18:23] <nigelb> paultag: Save money and all that jazz :P
[18:23] <nigelb> Not like its very expensive.
[18:23] <nigelb> But I think there's some LDAP connection somewhere there.
[18:23] <paultag> they're running the server anyway :|
[18:23] <nigelb> Making, doing the whole thing more painful than usual.
[18:24] <paultag> meh
[18:24] <paultag> I'm sure there are tons of community folks who'd love to do it
[18:24] <paultag> anyways, none of that matters :)
[18:24] <paultag> they can do what they want
[18:33] <nigelb> paultag: BAM.
[18:33] <nigelb> paultag: Awesome retort on the planet
[18:33] <nigelb> and gavin shoots!
[19:00] <paultag> nigelb: humm?
[19:02] <nigelb> http://www.gavinsharp.com/blog/2011/08/29/thousands-of-bugs/
[19:02] <paultag> oh, mozilla
[19:02] <nigelb> Also, http://tylerdowner.wordpress.com/2011/08/29/even-more-clarifications/
[19:02] <paultag> nigelb: meh :)
[19:02] <nigelb> heh
[19:04] <paultag> nigelb: I deal with enough drama, no need to start getting wrapped up out in mozilla land too, esp when I use Chrome
[19:05] <nigelb> heh
[19:34] <jcastro> Joeb454: around?
[20:36] <jcastro> paultag: sorry I was distracted
[20:37] <daker> paultag, fixed ツ
[21:17] <jono> you still around?
[21:17] <jono> oops
[22:07] <nhandler> Does anyone here have a nice latex resume template?
[22:13]  * AlanBell was O_o about that until I realised you meant LaTeX
[22:39] <cjohnston> jcastro: ping
[22:41] <jcastro> cjohnston: YO.
[22:41] <cjohnston> jcastro: got an answer for my by chance
[22:42] <jcastro> asking
[22:42] <cjohnston> ok
[22:44] <jcastro> bah
[22:44] <jcastro> she has to work until like 4pm
[22:45] <cjohnston> ok
[22:45] <cjohnston> so not happening?
[22:46] <jcastro> I can remote in I suppose
[22:46] <cjohnston> I'll make sure to talk to Jono about taking something out of your pay :-P
[22:46] <cjohnston> We will be working on LoCo Directory and summit...
[22:58] <jono> cjohnston, did you see Charlie's response?
[22:58] <cjohnston> yes
[22:58] <jono> looks like we may be good to go re. loco.u.c
[22:58] <cjohnston> yup..
[22:59] <cjohnston> we have to get mhall119's db fix stuff in before we can do the blogroll stuff.. he got the db today.. and is working on it tonight
[23:04] <jono> cjohnston, awesome
[23:04] <jono> so if that can get wrapped over the next few days we can then see if IS can deploy ASAP to review the live instance
[23:07] <cjohnston> yup
[23:48] <jcastro> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904787404576535211589514334.html
[23:48] <jcastro> man
[23:48] <jcastro> this is awesome
[23:48] <jcastro> popey: btw my webos tablet order got cancelled, no $99 party for me