[14:08] <cody-somerville> bdrung, persia, Laney, geser, stgraber: ping
[14:08] <stgraber> pong, though on a call
[14:09] <stgraber> IIRC we only have one name on the agenda and said we'd review it at our next meeting as it's less than a week old
[14:10] <cody-somerville> Okay.
[14:11] <stgraber> e-mail from Laney to devel-permissions last week
[14:13] <stgraber> cody-somerville: I also offered cyphermox to sponsor any usb-modeswitch upload he has to do until our next meeting as I'm quite familiar with the work he's been doing on it
[14:50] <bdrung> cody-somerville: pong. :)
[14:52] <jelmer> bdrung: Sorry, forgot to update you on lptools earlier. lifeless is happy with me adding myself as uploader to lptools, so I'm going to do that and get the current version in sid.
[14:59] <ara> hello all
[15:00] <bdrung> jelmer: np. i hadn't time to look at the proposed merges for u-d-t
[15:01] <ara> anyone for the UF meeting?
[15:01] <akgraner> o/
[15:02] <victorp> o/
[15:02] <ara> akgraner, cool
[15:02] <ara> OK, getting started
[15:02]  * ara hopes that people realised of the change of room
[15:02] <ara> #startmeeting
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Aug 29 15:02:43 2011 UTC.  The chair is ara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
[15:02] <meetingology> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
[15:02] <ara> agenda:
[15:03] <ara> * Mockups!
[15:03] <ara> Today we have a very small agenda
[15:03] <ara> #topic Mockups!
[15:03] <meetingology> TOPIC: Mockups!
[15:03] <ara> This week we are working in getting the basics of the UF programme ready to be used
[15:03] <ara> One of the things that we are doing is to try to understand how the UF should look like
[15:04] <ara> We came up with this mock up:
[15:04] <ara> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFriendly/MockUps
[15:04] <ara> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFriendly/MockUps
[15:04] <ara> The home page shows the different configurations and their rating
[15:05] <ara> and some filters to find the information you need to find
[15:05] <ara> We are trying to solve the problem of the different configurations, while having a simple UI
[15:06] <ara> Once anyone clicks on one of this configurations, the config page
[15:06] <ara> shows
[15:06] <ara> where you can see the different results for that configuration
[15:07] <ara> with the complete list of components
[15:07] <ara> and similar models based on the model name
[15:07] <ara> ..
[15:07] <ara> Anybody have any comments / suggestions?
[15:07] <roadmr> o/
[15:07] <ara> roadmr, go ahead :D
[15:08] <roadmr> we talked about a link to a comments page, to be hosted in launchpad answers, just to make sure that doesn't get forgotten :)
[15:08] <roadmr> ..
[15:08] <ara> roadmr, I remember something like that from the last meeting
[15:09] <ara> what kind of information we should put on lp answers?
[15:09] <ara> ..
[15:09] <roadmr> like if any user has a comment on the system
[15:09] <roadmr> "the default drivers don't work, use the broadcom proprietary ones"
[15:09] <roadmr> "update to bios version x.xx and then everything works well"
[15:10] <roadmr> "you need a dkms package to enable full touchpad functionality, get it here http:/xxxxxx"
[15:10] <roadmr> stuff like that - a comment like that would be useful for the model of laptop I have, for instance
[15:10] <roadmr> everything works well save for the trackpad, but a simple dkms module enables it
[15:10] <roadmr> ..
[15:10] <akgraner> o/
[15:10] <ara> akgraner, you go
[15:11] <akgraner> while all those comments would be great that roadmr mentioned - none of the "regular ole end users" would even know how to do those things
[15:11] <roadmr> o/
[15:11] <akgraner> or even comment on them so keeping the technical stuff answers on LP answers would be good
[15:12] <akgraner> could we also use Ask Ubuntu as another resource?...
[15:13]  * ara waits a bit to see if akgraner has finished
[15:13] <akgraner> ... (yep) sorry
[15:13] <ara> roadmr, you go
[15:13] <roadmr> heh .. so I see akgraner's point, but having a way to either ask or see comments about a system is important
[15:14] <roadmr> otherwise people won't know where to go for that kind of stuff (and it *will* come up)
[15:14] <roadmr> and when they get mad about their devices not working even though the system had 4 stars, they'll complain anywhere they can heh
[15:14] <roadmr> ..
[15:15] <ara> I like it, maybe we can use one "question" per system for the comments
[15:15] <ara> but yes, something that we need to study how to get it right
[15:15] <ara> ..
[15:15] <ara> Any other comments on the mockups?
[15:16] <ara> akgraner, how do you like them?
[15:16] <akgraner> I like them and I like the search option
[15:16] <akgraner> they seem easy to point people too
[15:16] <akgraner> ..
[15:17] <ara> good :)
[15:17] <ara> anything else? or shall we move on?
[15:17] <ara> OK, moving on then
[15:17] <ara> #topic - Any Other Business?
[15:17] <meetingology> TOPIC: - Any Other Business?
[15:17] <ara> (this meeting is going to be fast)
[15:18] <akgraner> o/
[15:18] <ara> akgraner, go ahead
[15:18] <akgraner> Global Jam
[15:18] <akgraner> I volunteered my LUG and LoCo team to go through system testing
[15:18] <ara> perfect!
[15:18] <akgraner> and I'll have the slides ready for your review sometime today
[15:19] <akgraner> that way I can point out pain points or questions
[15:19] <akgraner> I've also had other LoCo teams standing by for testing for release party time
[15:19] <akgraner> ..
[15:19] <ara> akgraner, awesome, send them in, and I will review them
[15:19] <akgraner> will do thanks
[15:19] <ara> when is global jam?
[15:19] <akgraner> ..
[15:19] <ara> (exactly)
[15:20] <ara> Ok, this weekend
[15:20] <akgraner> Sept 2-4
[15:20] <ara> perfect, we want to have a new Checkbox version ready in Oneiric with the UF tests ready
[15:20] <ara> for this weekend
[15:21] <akgraner> great!  Let me know when they are in place and I'll replace the screenshots I have
[15:21] <ara> ..
[15:21] <akgraner> ..
[15:21] <ara> akgraner, it shouldn't affect your screenshots, it will look the same, but with more tests
[15:21] <akgraner> nods
[15:22] <ara> OK, any other stuff?
[15:22] <akgraner> that's all I got
[15:22] <akgraner> ..
[15:23] <ara> going once
[15:23] <ara> going twice
[15:23] <ara> #endmeeting
[15:23] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Aug 29 15:23:56 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4)
[15:23] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-29-15.02.moin.txt
[15:24] <ara> Thanks all!
[15:24] <roadmr> \o/ thanks!
[15:24] <akgraner> thanks ara!
[17:00] <jdstrand> hi!
[17:01] <kees> \o
[17:01] <jjohansen> o/
[17:01] <jdstrand> let's get started
[17:01] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[17:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Aug 29 17:01:35 2011 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
[17:01] <meetingology> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
[17:02] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[17:02] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[17:02] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Announcements
[17:02] <meetingology> TOPIC: Announcements
[17:03] <jdstrand> tyhicks starts on the Ubuntu Security team today. He will be working on security updates for Ubuntu in general, as well as ecryptfs and other interesting stuff. Welcome!
[17:03] <tyhicks> jdstrand: Thank you!
[17:03] <sbeattie> tyhicks: Welcome!
[17:03] <jjohansen> tyhicks: good to have you on board
[17:03] <tyhicks> I really appreciate it and am excited to dive in
[17:04]  * jdstrand hugs tyhicks 
[17:04] <jdstrand> :)
[17:04] <tyhicks> :)
[17:04] <jdstrand> in other news, mdeslaur is off this week
[17:04] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[17:04] <meetingology> TOPIC: Weekly stand-up report
[17:05] <bliss> hooray more ubuntu security team members
[17:05] <jdstrand> so, I have a lot of disparate things going on right now. with mdeslaur out, I figured I would do both triager and community work this week
[17:05] <sbeattie> jdstrand: you sure? I can pick up triaging this week if you like
[17:05] <jdstrand> in addition to that I plan to get back to defining dbus/apparmor tests and my metrics work items (neither of which I got to last week)
[17:06] <jdstrand> sbeattie: I'm sure-- this will allow you guys to have more time for remaining work items, etc
[17:06] <jdstrand> that said, it isn't something I plan on doing regularly :P
[17:07] <sbeattie> heh
[17:07] <jdstrand> I think that's it from me. kees?
[17:07] <bliss> paging /proc commander
[17:07] <kees> I'm going to be focusing on work item bits, documentation, and anything else that comes up. there are a few kernel updates in the pipe for the ARM flavors as well.
[17:07] <jdstrand> hehe
[17:07]  * kees pokes bliss in the eye :)
[17:08]  * jdstrand loves that title btw :)
[17:08] <kees> that's about it from me.
[17:08] <kees> heh
[17:08] <jdstrand> awesome ring to it
[17:09] <jdstrand> sbeattie: you're up
[17:09] <sbeattie> I'll be cleaning up my work items this week, spending time on apparmor stuff.
[17:10] <sbeattie> I think that's it for me, I may pick up an update in the background.
[17:10] <jdstrand> micahg: you're next
[17:12] <micahg> chromium going out today, a little behind on the Firefox 6 migration for maverick, that should at least get built this week, depending on whether or not it'll impact the beta due to buildd time for translations, we might not move to proposed after beta, patch piloting, then back to webkit if there's time
[17:12] <micahg> *until after beta
[17:12] <micahg> that's it I think
[17:13] <jdstrand> tyhicks: you're next
[17:14] <tyhicks> My main focus will be on the new hire tasks (setting up accounts, configuring applications, joining proper mailing lists, etc.). When not working on those things, I'll need to tend to the eCryptfs bug and mailing list backlog that built up while leaving my old employer and last week while I was ignoring all things electronic. :)
[17:15] <jdstrand> cool
[17:15] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[17:15] <meetingology> TOPIC: Highlighted packages
[17:15] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security.
[17:15] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/collectd.html
[17:15] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/firebird2.1.html
[17:15] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/openarena.html
[17:15] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/lxr.html
[17:15] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/cakephp.html
[17:15] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[17:15] <meetingology> TOPIC: Miscellaneous and Questions
[17:15] <bliss> haha lxr
[17:16] <jdstrand> jjohansen: is there anything specific you need from me at this point to assist with dbus/apparmor? I am defining and implementing test cases (or at least as much as I can without the syntax and packages) right now
[17:16] <jjohansen> ah yeah
[17:17] <jjohansen> I will actually have some packages for you to test today
[17:17]  * jjohansen has a few more revisions to test but /me thinks we have chased down the crashers that kept taking the bus down
[17:17] <jjohansen> basically jdstrand I need to work with you on the policy language a bit
[17:18] <jdstrand> jjohansen: ack. thanks again for all your work on that! :)
[17:18] <jjohansen> but we can do that in #apparmor
[17:18]  * jdstrand nods
[17:18]  * jdstrand encourages sbeattie and kees to at least listen in as well if they have time
[17:19] <jdstrand> but that probably isn't super required right now, as I imagine we'll be iterating it a bit and then submitting to the list
[17:19] <sbeattie> sure
[17:19]  * kees nods
[17:19] <jdstrand> thanks
[17:19] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[17:20] <jdstrand> go once..
[17:21] <jdstrand> going twice..
[17:21] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[17:21] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Aug 29 17:21:13 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4)
[17:21] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-29-17.01.moin.txt
[17:21] <jdstrand> thanks everyone! :)
[17:22] <micahg> thanks jdstrand
[17:23] <kees> thanks jdstrand!
[18:08] <AlanBell> #startmeeting test meeting
[18:08] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Aug 29 18:08:36 2011 UTC.  The chair is AlanBell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[18:08] <AlanBell> #topic foo
[18:08] <AlanBell> #topic bar
[18:09] <AlanBell> #votesrequired 3
[18:09] <meetingology> votes now need 3 to be passed
[18:09] <AlanBell> #vote test vote
[18:09] <meetingology> Please vote on: test vote
[18:09] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[18:09] <AlanBell> +1
[18:09] <meetingology> +1 received from AlanBell
[18:09] <AlanBell> anyone else want to vote?
[18:09] <pleia2> +1
[18:09] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[18:10] <micahg> +1
[18:10] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg
[18:10] <AlanBell> elky: what do you think of the current /topic behaviour?
[18:10] <AlanBell> #endvote
[18:10] <meetingology> Voting ended on: test vote
[18:10] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[18:10] <meetingology> Motion carried
[18:10] <AlanBell> #chair pleia2
[18:10] <meetingology> Current chairs: AlanBell pleia2
[18:11] <AlanBell> #subtopic this is like a topic but less so
[18:11] <AlanBell> turns up in the minutes in a list
[18:12] <AlanBell> there is #endmeetingforce now which will allow anyone to close a running meeting if one is left open
[18:12] <micahg> AlanBell: would you like me to test that?
[18:12] <AlanBell> and you can do "#startmeeting Loco Council" or whatever to put the meeting name in the logs
[18:12] <AlanBell> micahg: go ahead
[18:13] <micahg> #endmeetingforce
[18:13] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Aug 29 18:13:04 2011 UTC.
[18:13] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-29-18.08.moin.txt
[18:13] <stgraber> AlanBell: is that something you could potentially restrict to /ubuntu/members or similar? (not that I think we need it at this point)
[18:13] <AlanBell> still loads of bugs in the output, but the command bugs are mostly gone now
[18:13] <pleia2> AlanBell: could it be something like anyone with ops? (all ubuntu members have ops)
[18:13] <pleia2> well, all with the member cloak can *get* ops anyway
[18:14] <AlanBell> yeah, if I can figure out how to do that
[18:14] <AlanBell> I think I would like that command to listen just to people who have opped up
[18:15] <AlanBell> you can do "+1 awesome" now
[18:15] <pleia2> great
[18:17] <AlanBell> so it does general votes and quorum votes now
[18:18] <AlanBell> I will be working next on the output formatting I think
[18:20] <AlanBell> and a #reprocess command, so you can do "#reprocess http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/08/13/%23ubuntu-meeting.txt" and it will replay the logs to itself taking minutes of each meeting and giving the URL to the formatted output
[18:20] <pleia2> sweet
[18:21] <AlanBell> then Loco Team Portal integration (aka Loco Directory)
[21:45] <elky> AlanBell, that's great, much less confusing now :)
[22:45] <AlanBell> #startmeeting
[22:45] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Aug 29 22:45:14 2011 UTC.  The chair is AlanBell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[22:45] <AlanBell> elky: want to try to #endmeeting, then op up and #endmeeting
[22:51] <m4v> #endmeeting
[22:51] <AlanBell> one is running
[22:51] <AlanBell> now with ops
[22:51] <AlanBell> #startmeeting
[22:51] <meetingology> AlanBell: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
[22:52] <m4v> #endmeeting
[22:52] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Aug 29 22:52:37 2011 UTC.
[22:52] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-29-22.45.moin.txt
[22:52] <AlanBell> \o/
[22:52] <m4v> BWAHJAHAHA.,,, oh
[22:53] <AlanBell> :)
[22:53] <elky> yay
[22:54] <elky> AlanBell, sorry, at work
[22:54] <AlanBell> thats fine
[22:54] <AlanBell> I am off to bed now, but didn't want to leave it deployed but untested :)
[22:54] <pleia2> thanks AlanBell :)
[22:55] <AlanBell> the #votesrequired command got deployed too