[00:00] <Azelphur> the other interesting symptom I get, I have multiple X screens (Not xinerama/twinview) and if I move my mouse to another X screen while the freeze is going, I end up with my mouse rapidly flickering between the edges of both screens, and X stays locked up forever :p
[00:02] <Sarvatt> Azelphur: yeah thats an nvidia driver problem, it might be worth trying a newer one out (via ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates)
[00:02] <Azelphur> cool ty, good to know it's not hardware :D
[00:02] <Azelphur> I will try the ppa :)
[00:03] <Sarvatt> that being said i did have an nvidia gpu completely die and it was showing those exact symptoms before it did
[00:03] <Azelphur> I wish it would just completely die if it was hardware, haha
[00:03] <Azelphur> I got the EVGA 25 year warranty :D
[00:03] <Sarvatt> but better to try newer drivers before remotely thinking that :)
[00:04] <Azelphur> indeed
[00:04] <Azelphur> although it might be my 8800GT that's dieing, it is getting quite old now.
[00:05] <Azelphur> (I have a GTX 570 and 8800GT in the same box, lots of monitors \o/)
[00:05] <bryceh> I agree it's probably driver rather than hardware, but sometimes bad memory, overheating or insufficient/inconsistent power supply can do stuff like that
[00:06] <bryceh> if it were -intel I'd say it was definitely a driver gpu issue, but -nvidia tends to be better on that count
[00:06] <bryceh> Azelphur, treat yourself to some new hw, you deserve it ;-)
[00:07] <Azelphur> can eliminate bad memory (tested it yesterday with memtest86) and overheating (temperature monitoring on the desktop), also insufficient power supply can go (1200W Corsair)
[00:07] <Azelphur> haha
[00:07] <bryceh> plus, if it is a driver problem, the likelihood of it getting fixed is low
[00:07] <Azelphur> GTX 570 is new hardware :(
[00:08] <bryceh> oh, you have two video cards installed?
[00:08] <Azelphur> yes
[00:08] <Rovanion> Azelphur: I'm bying one of those, like tomorrow or the day after
[00:08] <Azelphur> bryceh: I have a GTX 570 (2 monitors, twinview) and an 8800GT (2 monitors, twinview)
[00:08] <Azelphur> so 2 X screens both with twinview \o/
[00:09] <bryceh> if it were me, I'd use two identical video cards, or at least two of relatively recent vintage
[00:10] <Azelphur> knowing my luck it's probably a bug in the driver exacerbated by my weird setup that'll never get fixed
[00:10] <bryceh> Azelphur, that's likely so
[00:10] <Azelphur> hehe :p
[00:10] <Azelphur> yea I wouldn't mind doing that, but GTX 570 is quite expensive for monitors that are never gonna see any gaming
[00:11] <Azelphur> I use the 8800GT for boring stuff like IM/Browsing, the GTX 570 gets all the action.
[00:11] <Rovanion> Azelphur: Are you using the free or propitary drivers?
[00:11] <bryceh> it seems like a configuration that would tend not to get much testing by NVIDIA
[00:11] <Azelphur> proprietary
[00:11] <Azelphur> bryceh: haha, indeed :)
[00:12] <bryceh> Azelphur, you might file a bug report upstream to the nvidia forums, but like I said it'd probably not get much attention
[00:13] <Rovanion> But on the off chance that it does. Well it doesn't hurt to report it.
[00:13] <Azelphur> yea, if it persists after the x-swat update I will
[00:14] <Sarvatt> i might be remembering wrong but I'm pretty sure I saw a gtx 570 hang fix in the 275.xx changelogs at some point
[00:14] <Azelphur> If there becomes a way for me to have multiple displays across multiple cards without killing performance (ie xinerama) I could justify getting another GTX 570 :P
[00:14] <Azelphur> nice, hopefully that'll be me :)
[00:15] <Azelphur> tri screen gaming in wine would be funny, hehe
[00:15] <Sarvatt> Azelphur: you could buy a 4-6 output ATI, but those would have to be displayport displays for that to work :P
[00:16] <Azelphur> yea, and the ATI drivers arn't really up for wine gaming yet
[00:16] <Azelphur> although from what I've heard things have been getting better since AMD took over
[00:17] <Sarvatt> nope fglrx is definitely still a nightmare compared to nvidia
[00:17] <Rovanion> Azelphur: Well that doesn't guarantee that the quality has reached a usable state yet, just that it's better than running the game on a cracker
[00:17] <Sarvatt> takes 4 months for a fix to make it into a released version of the drivers
[00:18] <Azelphur> haha
[00:19] <Azelphur> I'm still not sure what I'm supposed to be watching for re tri screen gaming
[00:19] <Azelphur> I think I need nvidia to implement randr support
[00:19] <Sarvatt> any games beside final fantasy XIV even support that?
[00:19] <Azelphur> sure they do, I actually did it via xinerama for kicks once
[00:20] <Azelphur> if you just trick the game into thinking it's running on one big monitor, it usually works well
[00:23] <Azelphur> Sarvatt: you can also do cool things with WoW like move the viewport around and use a second screen for the UI while keeping the first screen totally clear for the viewport :)
[00:28] <Sarvatt> Azelphur: next step http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiYDbdHB548&feature=related :)
[00:28] <Azelphur> haha :D
[00:29] <Azelphur> I have 4 x 1920x1200 landscape (7680x1200), I nearly have what he has :D
[00:29] <bryceh> :-)
[00:30] <Azelphur> those are only running at 1680x1050 I think, still fun though :)
[00:30] <Azelphur> I've always said that if nvidia got their stuff sorted out for scaling across GPU's I'd buy another 2 monitors \o/
[00:32] <Sarvatt> Azelphur: long shot but try Option "UseEvents" "false" in your xorg.conf, that did help me with my dying gpu
[00:33] <Azelphur> I saw something about that, doesn't it reduce performance?
[00:33] <Sarvatt> i have no idea to be honest
[00:34] <Azelphur> Hehe, easiest way to find out is to try I guess :)
[00:34] <Sarvatt> it worked with that for another 2 months before it really died and wouldn't even work in windows anymore
[00:34] <Azelphur> haha
[00:35] <Sarvatt> are you getting NVRM messages when it happens in dmesg too?
[00:37] <bryceh> Sarvatt, take it you survived the hurricane?
[00:39] <Sarvatt> bryceh: yeah, barely noticed it here somehow
[00:43] <Azelphur> Sarvatt: nope, nothing in dmesg :(
[09:17] <RAOF> Hm.  A surprising number of people are having the mesa upgrade break their systems because they've installed multiarched nvidia drivers from somewhere.
[09:25] <tjaalton> oh
[09:27] <ricotz> RAOF, on natty?
[09:27] <RAOF> ricotz: Yes.
[09:27] <RAOF> ricotz: Incidentally, are you coming to UDS?
[09:28] <ricotz> the nvidia driver in edgers for natty is multiarched as the rest of the xorg stack
[09:28] <ricotz> RAOF, perhaps, i signed for sponsorship
[09:28]  * RAOF goes to see if he can +1 that anywhere
[09:29] <ricotz> nice ;)
[09:29] <RAOF> ricotz: I guess quite a lot of people are installing _just_ nvidia-current from -edgers, or something.
[09:30] <RAOF> bug #833149 and bug #833841, if you're interested.
[09:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 833149 in mesa (Ubuntu) "package libglu1-mesa 7.10.2-0ubuntu2.1 [modified: usr/lib/libGLU.so.1.3.071000] failed to install/upgrade: problemi con le dipendenze - lasciato non configurato (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/833149
[09:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 833841 in mesa (Ubuntu) "libgl1-mesa-glx alternative link (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 24)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/833841
[09:30] <ricotz> RAOF, yeah, i is my quess too, since 285.03 might no be available so widely
[09:31] <RAOF> Anyway, time for dinner here!
[14:56] <bjsnider> ricotz, if they installed anything from edgers they shouldn't complain about breakage
[16:33] <Sarvatt> well the dri1 only drivers being dropped will save 400KB off the livecd at least
[16:34] <Sarvatt> libgl1-mesa-dri_7.12.0~git20110826.3bcb9a85-0ubuntu0sarvatt_i386.deb (2.9 MiB) libgl1-mesa-dri_7.12.0~git20110829.beca3316-0ubuntu0sarvatt2_i386.deb (2.5 MiB)
[17:03] <Sarvatt> anyone around using xorg-edgers on amd64 natty?
[17:06] <Sarvatt> if so, can ya try adding foreign-architecture i386 to /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch, apt-get updating and paste what happens when you try to do a apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri:i386?
[17:06] <Sarvatt> should be working now but want to be sure
[17:10] <bjsnider> would there be an advantage to running 32-but mesa?
[17:11] <Sarvatt> wine, google-earth, 32 bit flash all require it on amd64
[17:12] <bjsnider> i c
[17:12] <Sarvatt> they've been broken since i multiarched natty mesa making ia32-libs mesa stop working
[18:29] <bjsnider> ricotz, are you seeing any kind of issue in gnome 3 where you can't rename a file using nautilus?
[20:16] <ricotz> bjsnider, havent seens such problem with nautilus