[03:22] <Squirm> fp
[03:22]  * Squirm dies
[08:21] <Kilos> morning superfly and everyone else
[08:21] <superfly> morning Kilos
[10:02] <Kilos> anyone explain to me what wesley is doing with the virtualization thing
[10:02] <Kilos> is he trying to make a virtualbox
[10:05] <Kilos> there is virtualbox-ose-qt in synaptic
[10:11] <Kilos> oh he is using CentOS. I must learn to take in what i read
[11:25] <Kilos> aw missed the monkey
[11:32] <Kilos> hiya kbmonkey hows things?
[11:32] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos
[11:33] <kbmonkey> ah you know things get busier with other things, that's how it goes
[11:33] <Kilos> are you winning at least?
[11:33] <kbmonkey> how goes it there?
[11:33] <Kilos> well ty
[11:34] <Kilos> i read your mails to the list and get lost but otherwise fine
[11:34] <Kilos> hehe
[11:36] <kbmonkey> I'm trying to enable kvm on my pc so virtual machines work better
[11:36] <kbmonkey> there's always something.. ;)
[11:37] <Kilos> arent you using ubuntu?
[11:37] <kbmonkey> no
[11:37] <kbmonkey> even so its hardware 
[11:38] <Kilos> ah thats why you looking other virtualization stuff
[11:38] <kbmonkey> im using the same that ubuntu would
[11:39] <Kilos> but on ubuntu it works
[11:39] <Kilos> hehe
[11:39] <Kilos> virtualbox and kvm are in synaptic
[11:39] <kbmonkey> theres a switch in the bios that triggers the functionality
[11:39] <Kilos> ah
[11:39] <kbmonkey> let me try it again, brrb
[11:40] <superfly> kbmonkey: your reply was of no use to bill
[11:41] <superfly> kbmonkey: his problem is that he made his / partition 10G while his /home partition is 140G
[11:41] <kbmonkey> my / is 10G superfly. 50% used with all dev tools too.
[11:41] <kbmonkey> i was just trying to suggest some help
[11:42] <superfly> do you have a separate /usr ?
[11:42] <superfly> bah
[11:42] <superfly> silly boy
[11:42] <Kilos> lol
[11:46] <superfly> kbmonkey: easy mate, I wasn't trying to moan at you
[11:46] <kbmonkey> works Kilos :) can you believe it, i had to completely cut off the power before the bios enabled the setting. lol
[11:46] <Kilos> wow
[11:46] <kbmonkey> sure thing superfly ;)
[11:46] <superfly> kbmonkey: <superfly> do you have a separate /usr ?
[11:47] <kbmonkey> no I don't
[11:47] <superfly> how much space have you got left in / then?
[11:47] <superfly> I'd never be able to use that little space - I have too many games installed :-P
[11:48] <kbmonkey> over time older package archives accumulate 
[11:48] <kbmonkey> ha ha ;) i don't have that large games
[11:49] <kbmonkey> or i store game files on my second large hard drive
[11:50] <superfly> mine are mostly installed from the repos
[11:54] <kbmonkey> 10gb is a bit little if you are someone who tries all the apps. each app you install keeps the .deb file in archives on disk too
[11:56] <superfly> yep, I know, but apt does clean up the archives every now and then too
[11:59] <kbmonkey> really? I always has the thought apt does not clear those out automatically. 
[11:59] <superfly> yeah, it does... very occasionally, but I have had times I've gone back to look for packages, and they weren't there.
[11:59] <kbmonkey> perhaps if you put the command in your bash startup it might
[12:02] <superfly> not in my startup script
[12:03] <kbmonkey> I think you are misinformed friend :) 
[12:03] <kbmonkey> apt does not auto clear unless you give it the autoclean option. i doubt ubuntu would want to waste user's bandwidth by auto clearing
[12:05] <kbmonkey> oh that's a shame, unity won't run inside a virtual machine :(
[12:13] <somaunn> hello everyone
[12:42] <Kilos> hiya Langjan 
[12:42] <kbmonkey> ek soek n biejtie boeretroos nou Kilos :)
[12:42] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[12:42]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[12:43] <kbmonkey> Maaz coffee please
[12:43] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Yessir
[12:43] <Langjan> Hi kilos, how are you keeping?
[12:43] <Kilos> well ty Langjan and you
[12:43] <Langjan> Fine thanks, just over the top packing
[12:43] <Langjan> Kilos, do you know whether there is a scan facility on Ubuntu to scan a text document to editable version?
[12:43] <Kilos> massive job that
[12:44] <Kilos> what do you want to scan for Langjan 
[12:44] <Langjan> I used t do it with the standard scan utility on Windows...
[12:44] <Langjan> an article from a magazine 
[12:44] <Kilos> you want to edit it?
[12:45] <Kilos> try right click and open with
[12:45] <superfly> Langjan: are you talking about using a scanner on a physical magazine?
[12:45] <Kilos> see if gedit is there, if not go to other options
[12:46] <Langjan> yes, I wrote it years ago but only have the print and want to edit it
[12:46] <Kilos> oh you want to scan a document, sorry
[12:46] <Kilos> oh my
[12:46] <Langjan> I have gedit but how do I get it to editable format?
[12:46] <Kilos> can you open it in gedit?
[12:46] <superfly> Langjan: you're looking for something called OCR - Optical Character Recognition
[12:46] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and kbmonkey!
[12:46] <Langjan> Correct
[12:47] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[12:47] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[12:47] <superfly> Langjan: there's an app called Xsane that does scanning, I think it might be able to do OCR as well
[12:47] <Langjan> Hi Superfly, yes OCR
[12:48] <Langjan> I have Xsane, let me see if I can find OCR option 
[12:48] <superfly> Maaz: ubuntu ocr
[12:48] <Maaz> superfly: Huh?
[12:48] <superfly> Maaz: google for ubuntu ocr
[12:48] <Maaz> superfly: "OCR - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OCR :: "Optical Character Recognition With Tesseract OCR On Ubuntu 7.04 ..." http://www.howtoforge.com/ocr_with_tesseract_on_ubuntu704 :: "easy-ocr - Easy Ocr package for ubuntu with 99% accuracy and 24 ..." http://code.google.com/p/easy-ocr/ :: "Howto Make scanned PDFs searchable (OCR) using ... - Ubuntu Geek" http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-make-scanned-pdf
[12:48] <superfly> wow, 7.04, that's OLD
[12:48] <Kilos> lol
[12:48] <Kilos> must still be the same thing
[12:51] <superfly> Langjan: it looks like OCRFeeder + Tesseract or CuneiForm is your best bet
[12:51] <Langjan> Thanks Maaz, superfly,  I'm going to have a look in the links you sent
[12:51] <superfly> Langjan: look for those apps in Synaptic
[12:52] <superfly> (or software center)
[12:53] <Langjan> OK, installing, thanks guys
[12:55] <Kilos> he got a lekker job superfly 
[12:56] <Kilos> running a christian youth camp kinda thing in the magaliesberg
[12:57] <superfly> oh, ok, that's cool
[12:59] <superfly> Kilos: I should tell him about OpenLP then
[12:59] <Kilos> what is that superfly ?
[13:00] <superfly> it's an open source app for churches to project the words of the songs using a data projector
[13:00] <Kilos> send him a mail
[13:01] <Kilos> they do weddings as well and its open to others as well at very good rates
[13:01] <Kilos> thats why he is busy packing
[13:01] <Kilos> long way from bronkhorstspruit to the magaliesberg
[13:02] <Kilos> here is the link   http://www.sikelele.co.za/
[13:03] <magespawn> howdy all
[13:03] <Kilos> hi magespawn howzit
[13:03] <superfly> yo magespawn
[13:04] <magespawn> hi superfly
[13:04] <magespawn> any body know how to scp over your home network?
[13:04] <superfly> magespawn: how do you mean "over your home network"?
[13:04] <magespawn> behind your router
[13:05] <superfly> magespawn: like, between 2 PCs on your network?
[13:05] <magespawn> yup laptop and server
[13:05] <magespawn> let me show you in pastebin
[13:05] <superfly> scp <files> user@host:/dest/dir
[13:06] <Owkkuri> granted, openssh-server needs to be installed too :P
[13:06] <magespawn> yeah have that done 
[13:07] <magespawn> can ssh no problem.
[13:07] <magespawn> brb
[13:08] <magespawn> http://codepad.org/Ni74WRPD
[13:10] <magespawn> have also tried to ftp the files but i get the same error
[13:10] <superfly> magespawn: looks like you don't have permission to write
[13:11] <magespawn> okay so i need to change the permissions of the folder then
[13:12] <magespawn> brb
[13:17] <magespawn> is this the right command:
[13:17] <magespawn> sudo chmod -u -rwx Joomla
[13:18] <superfly> magespawn: the user you're trying to copy the files as is "gregory" - I'd suggest you start with that
[13:19] <magespawn> yes that is the user on the server. i am trying to copy from my laptop to my server. using scp. over a network
[13:20] <magespawn> i control the server, if you can call it that, through an ssh connection
[13:21] <superfly> magespawn: rather than blindly setting permissions on the folder, first have a look at who owns the folder
[13:22] <magespawn> okay brb
[13:27] <magespawn> i am doing something wrong
[13:27] <magespawn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/677204/
 magespawn: rather than blindly setting permissions on the folder, first have a look at who owns the folder
[13:31] <superfly> magespawn: you're using ls incorrectly. "ls <dir>" shows the contents of <dir>
[13:32] <superfly> magespawn: your problem is not what is inside Joomla, it is Joomla itself
[13:42] <magespawn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/677211/
[13:43] <magespawn> did i do it right?
[13:47] <magespawn> man this is bending my brain today
[14:05] <magespawn> superfly?
[14:45] <Symmetria> http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/ookdatnog/ODN_110829_GeldKwijtSnelweg
[14:45] <Symmetria> hahahahahahah
[14:45] <Symmetria> if you can read that (if you speak half decent afrikaans you should be able to)
[14:45] <Symmetria> thats the funniest shit Ive seen in a while 
[15:08] <superfly> magespawn: sorry, it was home time, and the other half of my lift club wanted to go home ;-)
[15:13] <superfly> magespawn: just do an "ls -l"
[15:56] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn Tonberry sakhi 
[15:58] <Tonberry> oh
[15:58] <Tonberry> hi
[15:58] <nlsthzn> Kilos: Hello... and a hello to everyone else too :)
[16:00] <kbmonkey> hello nlsthzn 
[16:00] <kbmonkey> :)
[16:02] <nlsthzn> Hey Mr. kbmonkey ... welcome back (seems you went missing for a little while)
[16:02] <kbmonkey> i have nlsthzn and i will be missing for a while more
[16:03] <kbmonkey> but not for too long :)
[16:03] <Kilos> kbmonkey,  have you got work down there?
[16:04] <kbmonkey> no offers yet Kilos :)
[16:04] <Kilos> eish
[16:08] <nlsthzn> kbmonkey: hopefully something comes up soon!
[16:08] <Kilos> yeah
[16:08] <kbmonkey> not a problem Kilos, and im sure something will present itself even if i go find it!
[16:09] <Kilos> put the info to the lists
[16:09] <kbmonkey> i am wary of big corporates after spending nearly a decade of my life with those, so i am playing my cards carefully :]
[16:16] <Kilos> we all hold thumbs for you lad
[16:18] <kbmonkey> ag thanks oom Kilos!
[18:54] <Kilos> grrrr 30 min power outage
[18:56] <nlsthzn> Kilos: Becuase of bad weather, or bad management?
[18:57] <Kilos> well duh
[18:57] <Kilos> weahter great
[18:57] <Kilos> weather too
[18:57] <nlsthzn> ah
[18:57] <Kilos> thats what made my maverick sick
[18:58] <Kilos> 4 outs in 30 mins about two weeks ago
[19:00] <Kilos> been slow ever since
[19:00] <nlsthzn> What file system are you using?
[19:00] <Kilos> ext4
[19:00] <nlsthzn> Strange, it is a journaling filesystem so it should be able to handle it...
[19:00] <Symmetria> lol
[19:01] <Symmetria> I'm reading this fascinating article published in forbes about sex
[19:01] <Symmetria> http://www.forbes.com/2003/10/08/cz_af_1008health.html
[19:01] <Symmetria> hahaha read the section on better teeth
[19:01] <nlsthzn> oh, I thought you lol'ed at my comment :p
[19:01] <Symmetria> hahahahahaha
[19:01] <Symmetria> thats so awesome! I gotta quote that to a girl sometime
[19:01] <nlsthzn> Guess it won't be SFW so I will pass :)
[19:01] <Kilos> it did lotsa damage nlsthzn  the recovery mode in grub menu doesnt work anymore either
[19:01] <Symmetria> nlsthzn its forbes magazine
[19:01] <Symmetria> its pretty safe :P 
[19:01] <nlsthzn> Ah ok :)
[19:02] <nlsthzn> guess it is possible that there was actual physical damage to the disc... maybe some bad sectors etc...
[19:02] <Symmetria> but haha still read the section on better teeth
[19:02] <Symmetria> :P you gotta use that with a chick sometime 
[19:03] <Kilos> it could be nlsthzn 
[19:04] <Kilos> but i dunno how to find that out without formatting
[19:04] <superfly> nlsthzn: Unless it's sex, drinking or networking, Symmetria's not interested :-P
[19:05] <Kilos> hehe
[19:05] <nlsthzn> fs:)
[19:05] <Symmetria> ahhaha superfly not entirely true :P 
[19:06] <Symmetria> you left out really fast cars that I have the potential to own :P
[19:06] <nlsthzn> Kilos: fsck... check the man page... lots of goodies it can do
[19:06] <superfly> oh, right, I forgot that.
[19:06] <nlsthzn> affordable cars and fast woman... or the other way around?!
[19:06] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn 
[19:06] <Symmetria> superfly LOL, at the end of the day, I can make out a case for the fact that everything we do comes down to one of three things, power, money and sex :P
[19:06]  * superfly doesn't really care
[19:06] <Symmetria> human beings are hedonists by nature :)
[19:07]  * superfly is happily married, with a kiddo, and that's plenty for him
[19:07] <Symmetria> (and altruism is a myth created to appease our own self guilt!) 
[19:07] <Symmetria> superfly :) I don't dispute that marraige is a good idea, infact, lol, there is a pretty high chance I will be engaged in the next few weeks
[19:08] <nlsthzn> Well it is because humans where able to over come his nature that he is now what he is (and I am not sure if it is good or bad)
[19:08] <Symmetria> nlsthzn heh, I am not convinced we did overcome our hedonistic nature, we merely realized that it was in our own self interest on occasion to assist others :P
[19:09] <Symmetria> which still makes it self serving, which still falls into the definition of hedonism
[19:09] <Symmetria> :) I have yet to find anyone who can show me a concrete example of an altruistic action that is beyond dispute
[19:10] <Symmetria> heh, superfly I do also have other interests btw :P I've been a keen student of psychology for 15 years 
[19:10] <Symmetria> LOL, I've probably read more psych text books and done more study into psych than into any area of IT I've ever played in
[19:11] <nlsthzn> Symmetria: If one believes something isn't possible then you will never see the proof of it not being true ;)
[19:12] <Symmetria> nlsthzn heh, this can be true, except that would not negate a concrete example of it in action, and I am willing to consider any example given me :)
[19:12] <Symmetria> and willing to explain in detail my problem with any example :)
[19:14] <Symmetria> (hell, if you take it down to its roots, in the Christian religion, if God was not theist (rather than hedonist or altruist), at its core even the death and resurrection of Christ could be considered a hedonistic action, though as I say, that wouldnt really apply because of the theist nature of a deity)
[19:14] <Symmetria> nlsthzn lol, you will find I am the ultimate cynic though :) 
[19:15] <nlsthzn> :)
[19:16] <Symmetria> heh, I dont believe in absolutes though either, being a fan of systemic theory, there is no such thing as right or wrong :P
[19:17] <Symmetria> since right or wrong is only defined in the context of the specific system with which you are interacting and is therefore not a constant :P
[19:19] <nlsthzn> ... but for a period it was valid ;)
[19:20] <nlsthzn> Kilos: btw... the disk being checked must be unmounted so easiest way would be a live CD :)
[19:20] <Kilos> will do ty nlsthzn 
[19:20] <Kilos> Symmetria, where you went to school
[19:20]  * Symmetria bounces around, gf arrives in 17 hours
[19:21]  * nlsthzn thought the bouncing only started af... uhm... never mind :p
[19:24] <Symmetria> hahahaha
[19:24] <Symmetria> nlsthzn give it time :)
[19:25] <Symmetria> lol, for once in my life Im actually taking this fairly slowly, trying to develop a real relationship before going there :P 
[19:25] <Symmetria> mainly because I actually finally found a girl who I seriously think I could build something long term with :P
[19:54] <Squirm> nuvolari: ?