[19:44] <mellhen> Hello@all: Iam using Kubuntu. But i have a audiophile specific question. Is this the right place to ask?
[20:23] <FloatingGoat> holstein: hi
[20:45] <holstein> hey FloatingGoat
[20:45] <FloatingGoat> you like ulrich schnauss?
[20:45] <holstein> mellen: this is the place
[20:46] <holstein> ill be home in a bit
[20:46] <holstein> im on my phone right now :/
[20:57] <FloatingGoat> what?
[21:00] <mellhen> holstein: actually iam "arguing" in the pulseaudio channel, too. It seems to be a bit strange. my "sb live! 24bit"s driver seems not be able to play s24le. http://pastebin.com/8Gfb3zWf
[21:03] <mellhen> holstein: when i force mplayer to use a specific format, then only 32bit, but not 24bit works. http://pastebin.com/gxBDLyPS
[21:07] <mellhen> holstein: This could be usefull, too: LANG=C pactl list
[21:07] <mellhen>  http://pastebin.com/dtix6Esk
[21:13] <holstein> mellhen: im back :)
[21:14] <holstein> no more phone touchpad keyboard..
[21:14]  * holstein reading
[21:14] <mellhen> holstein: take your time.. ;)
[21:14] <holstein> mellhen: its been my experience that those cards work in 16bit
[21:14] <holstein> personally, i say play it in 16bit
[21:14] <mellhen> holstein: why is 32bit available?
[21:15] <holstein> to sell hardware in my opinion ;)
[21:15] <holstein> i mean, you get proper supported hardware, and it'll work
[21:15] <mellhen> but its only available in linux, not in windows..
[21:15] <holstein> but, if you're not making audio... i wouldnt sweat it
[21:16] <holstein> you wont know the difference anyways
[21:16] <holstein> between 16bit and 24bit
[21:16] <mellhen> .
[21:16] <mellhen> you mean notice?
[21:16] <holstein> right
[21:16] <holstein> you wont be able to hear that
[21:16] <holstein> anyone who says they can more that a percentage of chance... i call BS on
[21:16] <mellhen> maybe you are right.. but i do have a lot of files in 24bit. it hurts to downscale that..
[21:17] <holstein> nah
[21:17] <holstein> what hurts is messing with drivers
[21:17] <holstein> wasting time
[21:17] <holstein> keep at 24, and play em at 16
[21:17] <holstein> and sleep well at night knowing that it doesnt matter :)
[21:17] <mellhen> ;)-
[21:18] <mellhen> ill try to.
[21:18] <mellhen> so nevertheless i will use 16bit and do not care. Why is 32bit "available". this doesnt make any sense to me.
[21:18] <holstein> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ
[21:19] <holstein> ^^ an intersting 'audio myths' workshop vid a friend turned me on to
[21:19] <holstein> mellhen: its likely just a button
[21:19] <holstein> like in JACK
[21:19] <holstein> we have the options for *some* hardware
[21:19] <holstein> that doesnt mean its supported
[21:19] <mellhen> i do not undestand, why this was implemented in the free(?) linux driver..
[21:19] <holstein> or even supported enough to be properly 'greyed-out' in a menu
[21:20] <holstein> mellhen: was it?
[21:20] <holstein> it could just be a button in the UI
[21:20] <mellhen> http://pastebin.com/8Gfb3zWf
[21:20] <holstein> i mean, if the hardware supports 32 bit, im sure it would work
[21:20] <holstein> its not likely to find hardware that goes above 24 bit
[21:20] <mellhen> it should only support 24. but maybe its locked somehow
[21:21] <holstein> nah
[21:21] <mellhen> by windows driver i mean.
[21:21] <holstein> its just not well supported
[21:21] <mellhen> nah means no?
[21:21] <mellhen> iam not a native
[21:21] <holstein> dont lise sleep over what alsa reports
[21:21] <holstein> and has as options
[21:22] <holstein> you can go *way* deep on these driver issues, and get no where but a little smarter about one particular piece of hardware and what doesnt work about it
[21:22] <mellhen> ok thank you for your video. ill safe it as an driver bug in my brain :)
[21:22] <holstein> mellhen: yeah... nah means no
[21:23] <holstein> mellhen: you can get into it and file alsa bugs
[21:23] <holstein> thats really teh best place to do it
[21:23] <holstein> i find it so challenging to keep up with what needs to be reported
[21:23] <holstein> and also... im never sure if its just something stupid im doing
[21:23] <mellhen> this card is from 2005. they wont do anything i think.
[21:24] <holstein> SB's are pretty bad for getting audio in the computer
[21:24] <holstein> i steet clear of them
[21:24] <holstein> not bad at listening though
[21:27] <mellhen> i just use to hear music in stereo nothing special. i bougt it 5 years ago in ebay.  so nothing special..
[21:27] <holstein> yup
[21:27] <holstein> i got a bunch of them laying around
[21:27] <holstein> support is usually not bad
[21:27] <holstein> we use JACK here mostly though
[21:28] <holstein> with interfaces that have more than 2 inputs
[21:28] <holstein> like 8 or 16
[21:28] <mellhen> yea i know. a friend of mine uses ubuntu studio to record bands and stuff..
[21:28] <holstein> cool :)
[21:28] <holstein> mellhen: welcome to the channel
[21:28] <mellhen> this is why i know ubuntu studio.
[21:29] <mellhen> and that the most audiophile ubuntu users will be found here ;)
[21:40] <mellhen> holstein: could you tell me what the difference between BE and LE is in this ourtput?
[21:40] <mellhen> - U8
[21:40] <mellhen> - S16_LE
[21:40] <mellhen> - S16_BE
[21:40] <mellhen> - S32_LE
[21:40] <mellhen> - S32_BE
[21:40] <mellhen> - FLOAT_LE
[21:40] <mellhen> ..and what is FLOAT_LE; is there faq where i can find information about it?
[21:41] <holstein> i would try someone with alsa experience
[21:41] <holstein> you could ask in #opensourcemusicians
[21:41] <holstein> also, las over in #ardour knows a lot about some things, and a little about everything
[21:41] <holstein> floating is something faked pretty much
[21:41] <holstein> from where ive seen it
[21:42] <holstein> like, my hardware is 24 bit
[21:42] <holstein> and i can record at 32bit float
[21:42] <holstein> which is *not* the native resolution anyways, so i dont bother
[21:43] <holstein> be and le are big endian and little endian AFAIK
[21:43] <holstein> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness
[21:47] <mellhen> holstein: thank you.
[21:50] <mellhen> holstein: i will ask the alsa-guys about this 32bit fake.. ;) have a nice day (or night) holstein!
[21:51] <holstein> mellhen: o/