[00:12] brb, removing PA from my new install [00:27] libreoffice seems to be dragging in libgtk2.0-0 now, which is causing our oversize issues :/ [05:06] ScottK: much belated pong: no floods, but lost power for about 10-11 hours release notes will b e in the works! [05:10] on a different subject, we now have a server for kubuntuforums w00t! currrently it has a bare Ubuntu server on it, I will get to learn how to mess up, err, admin the thing === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 [07:54] * bulldog98 is trying to convert icecc into a git repro [09:13] morning [11:12] bulldog98: did you get a fix for runtime yet? [11:13] shadeslayer: can you snapshot qtwebkit? [11:13] apachelogger: i'll try [11:15] thx [11:19] JontheEchidna: http://matt.might.net/articles/nine-kinds-of-students/ [11:22] :D [11:22] * JontheEchidna is Medic in CS courses [11:23] Medic's also one of my best TF2 classes [11:23] hehe [11:24] * shadeslayer is more biased up towards the Engineer [11:24] wtf, canada: http://i.imgur.com/Y0sEX.jpg [11:25] lol [11:25] rgreening: ^my sources tell me this was spotted in nova scotia [11:25] off to work, bbl [11:26] after 20 hours of running chrome, adblock is taking like 40 megs [11:27] total ... 156 MB's [11:34] I once had a chrome [11:35] I traded it for some recum [11:35] bad deal that one was [12:04] JontheEchidna: yeah. Irving probably. They have weird shiz. [12:05] JontheEchidna: I believe I can get that here in NL too... though.. ewwwww... yuk. :P [13:40] debfx: uhm, i downloaded the webkit tarball from here : http://gitorious.org/webkit/qtwebkit/trees/qtwebkit-2.2-week34 [13:40] its the right one, right? [13:41] yep [13:41] huh, weird, the tarball from launchpad is like only 30 Megs [13:41] the one from that page is ... 667 MB's ... [13:44] well you need to run a script that generates the final tarball [13:44] ah [13:44] I have added some basic documentation to README.source [13:44] yeah, i was just going through the package [14:11] Quintasan, rbelem: is slc up yet? [14:12] also someone revuz the http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/touchegg-gui === ejat- is now known as ejat [14:30] apachelogger, yup [14:30] apachelogger, i made the requested changes last time [14:37] apachelogger, i will make some more changes to plasma-mobile then i will upload again [14:51] ScottK: could you review touchegg-gui as ubuntu-archive admin and as motu ? [14:58] apachelogger: yes I‘ll push it soon [14:58] yehaa [14:59] http://i.imgur.com/Ty0d4.png [14:59] brrrrrrrr [15:07] apachelogger: lp:~bulldog98/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime [15:07] still pushing [15:13] apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime/+merge/73391 [15:28] qtwebkit is still cloning -.- [15:34] shadeslayer: do you use yofel’s server? [15:34] yes [15:35] it'll take a week to clone it on my connection [15:35] shadeslayer: how fast is yours? mine is 56kbit/s down [15:36] bulldog98: 600 kbps during the day, 1Mbps at night ( from 10 PM IST to 10 PM IST ) [15:36] erm [15:36] 10 AM [15:37] shadeslayer: so your connection is better than mine don’t complain :P [15:37] heh, true :P [15:38] bulldog98: how come its so crappy? [15:38] shadeslayer: I’m in a 200 people village [15:38] man, You guys should have my connection - 156kBps on a good day [15:38] but we get a new line [15:38] ah, what are you doing there? [15:38] charlie-tca: that’s still better than mine [15:39] shadeslayer: living [15:39] I guess it is at that. [15:40] hehe ... [15:40] funny thing is, you can wget files on yofel's server at 3-4 MBps ... but cloning using git is like .. 400 kBps [15:43] Receiving objects: 71% (924001/1283922), 1.38 GiB | 364 KiB/s ... [15:44] shadeslayer: I’m currently pushing icecc as a git repro to my scratch [15:45] Writing objects: 33% (2525/7643), 3.15 MiB | 8 KiB/s [15:47] well, it is called git... which is a (mild) insult [15:59] shadeslayer, bulldog98: you know, bug triage would really need some help [15:59] ok [16:00] apachelogger: i'm working on a threading issue in nepomuk [16:00] I thought you are packaging qtwebkit? :P [16:00] yeah, git is resolving deltas [16:00] lulz [16:00] took forever to clone [16:01] apachelogger: if I finished pushing the repro [16:01] it might be faster if I'd put a clone of my clone onto a usb stick and send it to india [16:01] * apachelogger waves fist at fat repos [16:01] * bulldog98 too [16:01] probably [16:01] bulldog98: what are you pushing? [16:02] * apachelogger thinks that no one ever looked at kaffeine bugs [16:02] apachelogger: icecc as git repro [16:03] confused [16:03] * apachelogger had too much coffee [16:08] bug 824386 [16:08] Launchpad bug 824386 in kubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Tips in LibreOffice interface is ureadable with default Kubuntu Oneiric settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/824386 [16:08] epic [16:09] ScottK: bug 799262 [16:09] Launchpad bug 799262 in kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts (Ubuntu) "Please remove kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts from Oneiric" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/799262 [16:14] ScottK: I dont get bug 820175 [16:14] Launchpad bug 820175 in kubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Activity manager and virtual desktop widget both in panel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820175 [16:14] activity switches the set of widgets (and offers startup of related apps) [16:14] by default that is not linked to the virtual desktops [16:15] so on virtual desktops you'd organize your windows, whereas on activities you mostly organize your widgets === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [16:23] apachelogger: So maybe I don't get activities then. [16:23] well [16:23] there are default activities [16:23] if you try them you'll notice that they switch around the stuff on your desktop [16:23] I'd be fine with making that 'remove pointless activity manager from panel' [16:24] it aint pointless [16:24] Yes. I'm familiar with them from plasma-netbook. [16:24] AFAICT it is. [16:24] that is because you dont use them fancy widgets [16:24] (I mean now) [16:25] Someday I'm sure it'll be great. [16:25] apachelogger: can you verify #107107 [16:25] bug 107107 [16:25] Launchpad bug 107107 in KDE PIM "KMail prevents encryption, if the target key is not ultimately trusted or (locally) signed" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107107 [16:25] ScottK: I honestly do not see what is wrong with it now [16:25] What's it there for? [16:25] bulldog98: too long to read [16:25] ._. [16:26] ScottK: so you can have multiple widget line ups [16:26] I tried it and couldn't figure anything useful to do with it. [16:26] git checkout --track qtwebkit-2.2-week34 -b qtwebkit-2.2-week34 is actually taking time .... [16:26] apachelogger: simply try to send me a mail and encryp it [16:26] I do not have encrypt0ration setup [16:26] set up [16:26] ScottK: just because we cannot think of a good use, does not mean it has none :P [16:27] apachelogger: mh, yofel and shadeslayer can’t reproduce it since they singed my key [16:27] and I did not get to sign your key? [16:27] outragous! [16:28] apachelogger: no haven’t seen you since we singed keys [16:28] * bulldog98 doesn’t finds bugs he can triage, maybe apachelogger should point me to a link [16:28] https://bugs.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs [16:29] apachelogger: that’s way better that were I searched for [16:29] * bulldog98 looks for the akonadi stuff [16:29] the good stuff is well hidden in the lunchpad [16:29] apachelogger: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [16:34] #770689 is still valid [16:34] bulldog98: you should write bug in front of it [16:34] so that the bot tells us all about it [16:34] bug #770689 is still valid [16:34] Launchpad bug 770689 in akonadi (Ubuntu) "backups with akonadi are not possible due to missing mysqldump/bzip2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770689 [16:34] pfft [16:35] sigh [16:35] there are two things that broken software has in common [16:35] 1. they have a workaround section in a wiki/manual for thei brokeness [16:35] apachelogger: btw I don’t have the right to confirm stuff [16:35] 2. they have backups built in, because shit falls apart ever so often [16:35] I quite frankly don't give much of a song about either [16:35] bulldog98: if you have a launchpad account then you do... [16:36] apachelogger: now I now know why Apple has implemented Time Shift [16:36] yes [16:36] yofel: right [16:36] Aborting, Working tree is dirty [16:36] fffffuuuuuuu [16:36] o.O [16:36] lol [16:36] shadeslayer: how did you do that? [16:37] how did that happen? [16:37] apachelogger: i forgot to apply a patch [16:37] and ran the python script [16:37] kaput [16:37] what pyth0rn script? [16:37] bwahahaha [16:37] - Apply debian/derivedsources_include_path.diff [16:38] ah [16:38] pyth0rn [16:38] brrrrr [16:41] hmm [16:44] should sheytan appear at some point tell him about bug 735046 and whether he has an idea [16:44] Launchpad bug 735046 in kubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "use "Horos" as plymouth background" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735046 [16:44] or someone send him a mail plz [16:51] === Archive [qtwebkit-2.2-week34.tar.gz] sucessfully created [16:51] \o/ [17:17] wth, quilt can apply the patch, but debuild can't -.- [17:18] shadeslayer: blame debuild whoever maintains it :) [17:18] shadeslayer, do you know if it is possible to get the package name in the debian/rules that is being currently building? [17:20] rbelem: iirc i saw something like that, but they used cut and grep on the changelog file [17:21] shadeslayer, and the binary pkg name? [17:22] nope, haven't seen that anywhere [17:22] shadeslayer, oki... thanks :-) [17:25] We didn't disable ntrack support did we? [17:26] no, did it break again? [17:30] debfx: what do i do with the -gstabs patch which gets applied with quilt but not with debuild / pbuilder [17:32] shadeslayer: fix it to apply cleanly, e.g. using quilt refresh [17:33] debfx: tried that as well [17:33] didn't work [17:34] should i make a new patch? [17:37] apachelogger: Fix for kde-runtime: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime/+merge/73391 [17:38] yeah, if everything else fails just apply the changes manually and create a new patch [17:50] bulldog98, i'm working to get it compiling again [17:51] rbelem: what? [17:52] bulldog98, and we need two kde-runtime, one kdelibs, and one slc patches to get it building [17:53] rbelem: hm so quite some work to do [17:54] rbelem: what patch is failing for you? [17:54] bulldog98, your ftbfs is related to the missing patches [17:54] dam [17:56] bulldog98, i will have a meeting in a few minutes, after that i will push the missing patches and the plasma-mobile changes :-) [17:57] apachelogger: have we set up an iso for kubuntu-mobile yet? [17:57] bulldog98, i think so [17:58] !search kubuntu-mobile iso [17:58] Found: [17:58] bulldog98, i downloaed it yesterday [17:58] rbelem: where? [17:58] bulldog98, from cdimage.ubuntu.com [17:59] rbelem: does it work? [18:00] bulldog98, with old plasma-mobile [18:01] rbelem: keep in mind to accept my merge request for kde-runtime [18:02] bulldog98, oki :-) [18:07] Let's save any kubuntu-mobile ISO changes for after beta 1. [18:48] apachelogger: It is not, I was not able to do anything at all since I had no access to the internet past two days [18:58] Quintasan: apachelogger says you are lazy... making up random excuses, you are like shadeslayer :P [19:00] qtwebkit is moot http://paste.kde.org/116299/ [19:01] ok ScottK apachelogger Quintasan shadeslayer and anyone else I can spam : whats new for beta? [19:01] Dunno. [19:02] claydoh: possibly new upload of webkit if i can get it fixed in time [19:02] shadeslayer: It's a bit late for that now. [19:02] apachelogger might have managed to get more prn on the CD ... hidden away at some place [19:02] ah ok [19:03] shadeslayer: that was already assumed :) [19:03] :P [19:03] kubuntu-mobile? [19:03] jussi: Hah, he always says that and he is no better :P [19:04] claydoh: most likely some plasma-active parts if I manage to get runtime fixed [19:04] Quintasan: he said he did bug triage today... [19:04] Wow. [19:04] Quintasan: I guess he hides all the porn in phonon and dragonplayer [19:05] jussi: Well, I did gles, and some of the active magic along with rbelem and ScottK [19:05] All past Feature Freeze :P [19:12] ScottK: fyi, I fixored the access lists [19:12] Great. [19:39] * bulldog98 wrote nice intellegent zsh completion for a function toggeling on and off the ninja repro [19:41] whoop whoop [19:41] Quintasan: what was the "it is not" replying to btw? [19:41] apachelogger: slc [19:41] ah [19:56] apachelogger: Depending on the result of my attempts at fixing kdelibs we might have to drop kde-runtime-active altogether [19:57] [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110830195707-obakd422wwsdw9pw * (share/config/khtmlrc debian/changelog) (log message trimmed) [19:57] Drop khtmlrc as rekonq is default browser we do not need to ship our outdated [19:57] filter list anymore + it is easily switched on by the user. Also the config [19:57] Quintasan: why is that? [19:58] Quintasan, why drop? [19:59] :-) [19:59] apachelogger,rbelem: for some reason kde-runtime-active depends on kde-runtime which leads to dependency hell as you might have guess since kde-runtime-active conflicts with kde-runtime [20:00] Quintasan, o.O [20:00] apparently the problem lies in kdelibs in which libkdecore5.symbols has a dep on kde-runtime and pulls it as a dependency [20:00] I've just tried changing that to kde-runtime | kde-runtime-active but I have no idea if it will work [20:00] Waiting for code to finish building [20:01] Quintasan, lets drop shlibs :-D [20:02] That's not shlibs as far as I could understand [20:02] Quintasan, what could be? [20:06] rbelem: Well, looks like that magic in kdelibs is responsible but I can't say without any testing [20:15] Quintasan: I have fixed that not installability [20:15] it is installable [20:15] bulldog98: Where? [20:15] Quintasan: I gave apachelogger the merge request [20:16] https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime/+merge/73391 [20:16] Quintasan: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime/+merge/73391 [20:16] I see [20:16] Are you sure this works? [20:16] Quintasan: I have kde-runtime-active installed on my tablet so it works [20:16] Hmm. [20:17] bulldog98: Cool stuff, now let's wait for apachelogger to merge and upload [20:17] then I can do s-l-c and plasma-mobile [20:18] Quintasan: do we have all patches in kdelibs that are in active-development/4.7 ? [20:18] Quintasan: I am doing bug triage, later phonon stuff, so I'll definitely not get to it before tomorrow evening [20:18] yofel: could do the merge [20:19] bulldog98: ask rbelem, he should know that [20:19] apachelogger: ehh... [20:19] * bulldog98 has to give other people work, cause he can’t do stuff by his own, since he is not an kubuntu-member [20:19] bulldog98: I'll do the merge and upload in 30 minutes [20:19] Quintasan: rbelem is in an meeting [20:19] or 45 [20:19] * bulldog98 hugs Quintasan [20:21] * apachelogger wonders what to do with bug 262924 [20:21] Launchpad bug 262924 in kubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "shared folder" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/262924 [20:33] apachelogger: I think he want’s a shared place to put data for different users [20:34] yeah [20:34] BUT [20:34] what to do with it [20:34] perhaps we should discuss at UDS and implement for P [20:34] one way or another [20:34] though I really wonder how one would implement this in a sane way [20:34] * apachelogger points out that /tmp would actually be the place to do that sorta thing [20:35] apachelogger: but it would get deleted after reboot [20:35] I consider that a good thing [20:36] such a shared folder should not be abused as permanent storage [20:36] far too dangerous [20:41] * debfx wouldn't want to deal with the "Ubuntu ate my data" bug reports [20:42] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/umask-to-0002 goes into this direction [20:45] jesus [20:45] veromix is a rotten piece of crap [20:50] really? [20:50] actually [20:50] plasma is the rotten piece of crap perhaps [20:51] since it is going down when plasmoids are rubbish [20:51] :\ [20:51] and there are plenty of rubbish plasmoids [20:51] and then you have 3rd party plasmoids [20:51] which are of course evne more rubbish [20:51] and then the entire desktop goes down and then aaron whines about how plasma has 2k bug reports that are not triaged [20:51] blaming the bad triage rather than the unreliable product [20:51] * apachelogger shakes had [20:55] ScottK, apachelogger, Riddell, I changed the header for the wiki to remove #kubuntu-netbook bit... [20:55] awww :( [20:55] ta [20:59] http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Simple+CPU+Meter?content=140181 [20:59] this is also a terribly rubbish plasmoid [20:59] 2 rather silly bugs I have seen so far [20:59] crashing ones that is [21:01] Also removed knowledge base link [21:17] DarkwingDuck++ [21:17] markey: what is a good laptop to buy these days? [21:17] Lenovo :P [21:33] ryanakca, Do you have the files (Like the header and such) online somewhere so I can start building the Kubuntu.org theme with it? [21:33] ryanakca, RE the wiki theme. === skreech_ is now known as DasKreecH [21:40] DarkwingDuck: ask newz2000 about wikis [21:45] Riddell, Thanks [22:19] bulldog98: kde-runtime uploaded, thanks [22:19] I'll do s-l-c and mobile tomorrow [22:22] re [22:22] apachelogger: http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/lenovo-thinkpad-x220.aspx [22:23] ThinkPad X220 with SSD + IPS display [22:23] comes with windows [22:23] sounds expensive, but USD 2k isn't a lot for this quality [22:23] fail [22:23] just rm -rf that [22:23] I aint no paying no windows [22:24] then good luck [22:24] really, that's the best laptop that you could get [22:24] settling for Dell or so would be foolish [22:25] zareason [22:31] I'll keep buying ThinkPads [22:31] jjesse, Let me know if this looks good to you. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Documentation [22:31] jjesse, I got a lot of the info from the DocTeam and changed it to reflect Kubuntu. [22:33] DarkwingDuck: What's the deal with Thinkpads. I heard they are dropping Linux support [22:33] DasKreecH, dropping Linux support? URL? [22:33] DasKreecH, Best HDW I've ever worked with in the form of a laptop. [22:33] I know [22:34] Jsut things like the fingerprint scanner and so far as I understand Lenovo does a good amount of the driver work there [22:34] Although, the one I currently have is a bahemith. Not looking forward to lugging it around UDS LOL [22:34] the fingerprint scanner... ahhh... [22:35] The HDW support is good. the linux implementation of it sux. [22:35] Just recall hearing about 2 months ago that they are not saying they will be having support for all their hardware under Linux [22:35] and actually, my fingerprint scanner isn't support in the W700... [22:35] They are solid laptops though as long as you dno't mind ugly [22:35] Don't know if it's because it's an older model or what... [22:36] Well, I have a larger model. [22:37] DarkwingDuck: Only what sheytan sent me (the blue header, the menu bg and the menu spacer) [22:39] apachelogger: at the least, the plasma crashes don't bring down the whole desktop generally [22:39] *python crashes [22:39] that's why they're pushing scripted plasmoids so hard :P [22:39] DarkwingDuck: I'll forward it to you, let me pull my netbook out. [22:41] JontheEchidna: sure they do if the result in an unhandled exception or segfault [22:42] only javascripts avoids crashery [22:42] normal pykde programs don't crash entirely when they hit an unhandled python exception [22:43] segfaults in the bindings do crash, tho [22:47] man, the trolls are out in full force here :( http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2011/08/rendering-at-60-frames/ [22:47] I, personally, am excited :D [22:48] I already get 40-50 fps during mimimize animations and such, but any improvement is good [22:49] even with the cube I still get 30 fps [22:49] and this on a crappy integrated intel card [22:51] ryanakca, Thanks mate [23:11] apachelogger, ScottK, JontheEchidna, are any of your "locked" with these graphics for the wiki theme? http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/wiki/baseg.jpg [23:12] Or, can we go crazy? [23:12] well, crazy/new idea as long as it looks good.