[00:12] <JontheEchidna> brb, removing PA from my new install
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> libreoffice seems to be dragging in libgtk2.0-0 now, which is causing our oversize issues :/
[05:06] <claydoh> ScottK: much belated pong: no floods, but lost power for about 10-11 hours release notes will b e in the works!
[05:10] <claydoh> on a different subject, we now have a server for kubuntuforums w00t! currrently it has a bare Ubuntu server on it, I will get to learn how to mess up, err, admin the thing
[07:54]  * bulldog98 is trying to convert icecc into a git repro
[09:13] <bambee> morning
[11:12] <apachelogger> bulldog98: did you get a fix for runtime yet?
[11:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: can you snapshot qtwebkit?
[11:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i'll try
[11:15] <apachelogger> thx
[11:19] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://matt.might.net/articles/nine-kinds-of-students/
[11:22] <JontheEchidna> :D
[11:22]  * JontheEchidna is Medic in CS courses
[11:23] <JontheEchidna> Medic's also one of my best TF2 classes
[11:23] <shadeslayer> hehe
[11:24]  * shadeslayer is more biased up towards the Engineer
[11:24] <JontheEchidna> wtf, canada: http://i.imgur.com/Y0sEX.jpg
[11:25] <shadeslayer> lol
[11:25] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: ^my sources tell me this was spotted in nova scotia
[11:25] <JontheEchidna> off to work, bbl
[11:26] <shadeslayer> after 20 hours of running chrome, adblock is taking like 40 megs
[11:27] <shadeslayer> total ... 156 MB's
[11:34] <apachelogger> I once had a chrome
[11:35] <apachelogger> I traded it for some recum
[11:35] <apachelogger> bad deal that one was
[12:04] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: yeah. Irving probably. They have weird shiz.
[12:05] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I believe I can get that here in NL too... though.. ewwwww... yuk. :P
[13:40] <shadeslayer> debfx: uhm, i downloaded the webkit tarball from here : http://gitorious.org/webkit/qtwebkit/trees/qtwebkit-2.2-week34
[13:40] <shadeslayer> its the right one, right?
[13:41] <debfx> yep
[13:41] <shadeslayer> huh, weird, the tarball from launchpad is like only 30 Megs
[13:41] <shadeslayer> the one from that page is ... 667 MB's ...
[13:44] <debfx> well you need to run a script that generates the final tarball
[13:44] <shadeslayer> ah
[13:44] <debfx> I have added some basic documentation to README.source
[13:44] <shadeslayer> yeah, i was just going through the package
[14:11] <apachelogger> Quintasan, rbelem: is slc up yet?
[14:12] <apachelogger> also someone revuz the http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/touchegg-gui
[14:30] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup
[14:30] <rbelem> apachelogger, i made the requested changes last time
[14:37] <rbelem> apachelogger, i will make some more changes to plasma-mobile then i will upload again
[14:51] <bambee> ScottK: could you review touchegg-gui as ubuntu-archive admin and as motu ?
[14:58] <bulldog98> apachelogger: yes I‘ll push it soon
[14:58] <apachelogger> yehaa
[14:59] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/Ty0d4.png
[14:59] <apachelogger> brrrrrrrr
[15:07] <bulldog98> apachelogger: lp:~bulldog98/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime
[15:07] <bulldog98> still pushing
[15:13] <bulldog98> apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime/+merge/73391
[15:28] <shadeslayer> qtwebkit is still cloning -.-
[15:34] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: do you use yofel’s server?
[15:34] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:35] <shadeslayer> it'll take a week to clone it on my connection
[15:35] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: how fast is yours? mine is 56kbit/s down
[15:36] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: 600 kbps during the day, 1Mbps at night ( from 10 PM IST to 10 PM IST )
[15:36] <shadeslayer> erm
[15:36] <shadeslayer> 10 AM
[15:37] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: so your connection is better than mine don’t complain :P
[15:37] <shadeslayer> heh, true :P
[15:38] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: how come its so crappy?
[15:38] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: I’m in a 200 people village
[15:38] <charlie-tca> man, You guys should have my connection - 156kBps on a good day
[15:38] <bulldog98> but we get a new line
[15:38] <shadeslayer> ah, what are you doing there?
[15:38] <bulldog98> charlie-tca: that’s still better than mine
[15:39] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: living
[15:39] <charlie-tca> I guess it is at that. 
[15:40] <shadeslayer> hehe ... 
[15:40] <shadeslayer> funny thing is, you can wget files on yofel's server at 3-4 MBps ... but cloning using git is like .. 400 kBps
[15:43] <shadeslayer> Receiving objects:  71% (924001/1283922), 1.38 GiB | 364 KiB/s   ...
[15:44] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: I’m currently pushing icecc as a git repro to my scratch
[15:45] <bulldog98> Writing objects:  33% (2525/7643), 3.15 MiB | 8 KiB/s
[15:47] <tsimpson> well, it is called git... which is a (mild) insult
[15:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, bulldog98: you know, bug triage would really need some help
[15:59] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i'm working on a threading issue in nepomuk
[16:00] <apachelogger> I thought you are packaging qtwebkit? :P
[16:00] <shadeslayer> yeah, git is resolving deltas
[16:00] <apachelogger> lulz
[16:00] <shadeslayer> took forever to clone
[16:01] <bulldog98> apachelogger: if I finished pushing the repro
[16:01] <apachelogger> it might be faster if I'd put a clone of my clone onto a usb stick and send it to india
[16:01]  * apachelogger waves fist at fat repos
[16:01]  * bulldog98 too
[16:01] <shadeslayer> probably
[16:01] <apachelogger> bulldog98: what are you pushing?
[16:02]  * apachelogger thinks that no one ever looked at kaffeine bugs
[16:02] <bulldog98> apachelogger: icecc as git repro
[16:03] <apachelogger> confused
[16:03]  * apachelogger had too much coffee
[16:08] <apachelogger> bug 824386
[16:08] <apachelogger> epic
[16:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 799262
[16:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: I dont get bug 820175
[16:14] <apachelogger> activity switches the set of widgets (and offers startup of related apps)
[16:14] <apachelogger> by default that is not linked to the virtual desktops
[16:15] <apachelogger> so on virtual desktops you'd organize your windows, whereas on activities you mostly organize your widgets
[16:23] <ScottK> apachelogger: So maybe I don't get activities then.
[16:23] <apachelogger> well
[16:23] <apachelogger> there are default activities
[16:23] <apachelogger> if you try them you'll notice that they switch around the stuff on your desktop
[16:23] <ScottK> I'd be fine with making that 'remove pointless activity manager from panel'
[16:24] <apachelogger> it aint pointless 
[16:24] <ScottK> Yes.  I'm familiar with them from plasma-netbook.
[16:24] <ScottK> AFAICT it is.
[16:24] <apachelogger> that is because you dont use them fancy widgets 
[16:24] <ScottK> (I mean now)
[16:25] <ScottK> Someday I'm sure it'll be great.
[16:25] <bulldog98> apachelogger: can you verify #107107
[16:25] <apachelogger> bug 107107
[16:25] <apachelogger> ScottK: I honestly do not see what is wrong with it now
[16:25] <ScottK> What's it there for?
[16:25] <apachelogger> bulldog98: too long to read
[16:25] <shadeslayer> ._.
[16:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: so you can have multiple widget line ups
[16:26] <ScottK> I tried it and couldn't figure anything useful to do with it.
[16:26] <shadeslayer> git checkout --track qtwebkit-2.2-week34 -b qtwebkit-2.2-week34 is actually taking time ....
[16:26] <bulldog98> apachelogger: simply try to send me a mail and encryp it
[16:26] <apachelogger> I do not have encrypt0ration setup
[16:26] <apachelogger> set up
[16:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: just because we cannot think of a good use, does not mean it has none :P
[16:27] <bulldog98> apachelogger: mh, yofel and shadeslayer can’t reproduce it since they singed my key
[16:27] <apachelogger> and I did not get to sign your key?
[16:27] <apachelogger> outragous!
[16:28] <bulldog98> apachelogger: no haven’t seen you since we singed keys
[16:28]  * bulldog98 doesn’t finds bugs he can triage, maybe apachelogger should point me to a link
[16:28] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs
[16:29] <bulldog98> apachelogger: that’s way better that were I searched for
[16:29]  * bulldog98 looks for the akonadi stuff
[16:29] <apachelogger> the good stuff is well hidden in the lunchpad
[16:29] <jussi> apachelogger: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:34] <bulldog98> #770689 is still valid
[16:34] <apachelogger> bulldog98: you should write bug in front of it
[16:34] <apachelogger> so that the bot tells us all about it
[16:34] <bulldog98> bug #770689 is still valid
[16:34] <apachelogger> pfft
[16:35] <shadeslayer> sigh
[16:35] <apachelogger> there are two things that broken software has in common
[16:35] <apachelogger> 1. they have a workaround section in a wiki/manual for thei brokeness
[16:35] <bulldog98> apachelogger: btw I don’t have the right to confirm stuff
[16:35] <apachelogger> 2. they have backups built in, because shit falls apart ever so often
[16:35] <apachelogger> I quite frankly don't give much of a song about either
[16:35] <yofel> bulldog98: if you have a launchpad account then you do...
[16:36] <bulldog98> apachelogger: now I now know why Apple has implemented Time Shift
[16:36] <apachelogger> yes
[16:36] <bulldog98> yofel: right
[16:36] <shadeslayer> Aborting, Working tree is dirty
[16:36] <shadeslayer> fffffuuuuuuu
[16:36] <yofel> o.O
[16:36] <apachelogger> lol
[16:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how did you do that?
[16:37] <yofel> how did that happen?
[16:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i forgot to apply a patch
[16:37] <shadeslayer> and ran the python script
[16:37] <apachelogger> kaput
[16:37] <apachelogger> what pyth0rn script?
[16:37] <yofel> bwahahaha
[16:37] <shadeslayer> - Apply debian/derivedsources_include_path.diff
[16:38] <apachelogger> ah
[16:38] <apachelogger> pyth0rn
[16:38] <apachelogger> brrrrr
[16:41] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:44] <apachelogger> should sheytan appear at some point tell him about bug 735046 and whether he has an idea
[16:44] <apachelogger> or someone send him a mail plz
[16:51] <shadeslayer> [16:51] <shadeslayer> \o/
[17:17] <shadeslayer> wth, quilt can apply the patch, but debuild can't -.-
[17:18] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: blame debuild whoever maintains it :)
[17:18] <rbelem> shadeslayer, do you know if it is possible to get the package name in the debian/rules that is being currently building?
[17:20] <shadeslayer> rbelem: iirc i saw something like that, but they used cut and grep on the changelog file
[17:21] <rbelem> shadeslayer, and the binary pkg name?
[17:22] <shadeslayer> nope, haven't seen that anywhere
[17:22] <rbelem> shadeslayer, oki... thanks :-)
[17:25] <ScottK> We didn't disable ntrack support did we?
[17:26] <debfx> no, did it break again?
[17:30] <shadeslayer> debfx: what do i do with the -gstabs patch which gets applied with quilt but not with debuild / pbuilder
[17:32] <debfx> shadeslayer: fix it to apply cleanly, e.g. using quilt refresh
[17:33] <shadeslayer> debfx: tried that as well
[17:33] <shadeslayer> didn't work
[17:34] <shadeslayer> should i make a new patch?
[17:37] <bulldog98> apachelogger: Fix for kde-runtime: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime/+merge/73391
[17:38] <debfx> yeah, if everything else fails just apply the changes manually and create a new patch
[17:50] <rbelem> bulldog98, i'm working to get it compiling again
[17:51] <bulldog98> rbelem: what?
[17:52] <rbelem> bulldog98, and we need two kde-runtime, one kdelibs, and one slc patches to get it building
[17:53] <bulldog98> rbelem: hm so quite some work to do
[17:54] <bulldog98> rbelem: what patch is failing for you?
[17:54] <rbelem> bulldog98, your ftbfs is related to the missing patches
[17:54] <bulldog98> dam
[17:56] <rbelem> bulldog98, i will have a meeting in a few minutes, after that i will push the missing patches and the plasma-mobile changes :-)
[17:57] <bulldog98> apachelogger: have we set up an iso for kubuntu-mobile yet?
[17:57] <rbelem> bulldog98, i think so
[17:58] <bulldog98> !search kubuntu-mobile iso
[17:58] <rbelem> bulldog98, i downloaed it yesterday
[17:58] <bulldog98> rbelem: where?
[17:58] <rbelem> bulldog98, from cdimage.ubuntu.com
[17:59] <bulldog98> rbelem: does it work?
[18:00] <rbelem> bulldog98, with old plasma-mobile
[18:01] <bulldog98> rbelem: keep in mind to accept my merge request for kde-runtime
[18:02] <rbelem> bulldog98, oki :-)
[18:07] <ScottK> Let's save any kubuntu-mobile ISO changes for after beta 1.
[18:48] <Quintasan> apachelogger: It is not, I was not able to do anything at all since I had no access to the internet past two days
[18:58] <jussi> Quintasan: apachelogger says you are lazy... making up random excuses, you are like shadeslayer :P
[19:00] <shadeslayer> qtwebkit is moot http://paste.kde.org/116299/
[19:01] <claydoh> ok ScottK apachelogger Quintasan shadeslayer and anyone else I can spam : whats new for beta?
[19:01] <ScottK> Dunno.
[19:02] <shadeslayer> claydoh: possibly new upload of webkit if i can get it fixed in time
[19:02] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It's a bit late for that now.
[19:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger might have managed to get more prn on the CD ... hidden away at some place
[19:02] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[19:03] <claydoh> shadeslayer: that was already assumed :)
[19:03] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:03] <claydoh> kubuntu-mobile?
[19:03] <Quintasan> jussi: Hah, he always says that and he is no better :P
[19:04] <Quintasan> claydoh: most likely some plasma-active parts if I manage to get runtime fixed
[19:04] <jussi> Quintasan: he said he did bug triage today...
[19:04] <Quintasan> Wow.
[19:04] <bulldog98> Quintasan: I guess he hides all the porn in phonon and dragonplayer
[19:05] <Quintasan> jussi: Well, I did gles, and some of the active magic along with rbelem and ScottK
[19:05] <Quintasan> All past Feature Freeze :P
[19:12] <jussi> ScottK: fyi, I fixored the access lists
[19:12] <ScottK> Great.
[19:39]  * bulldog98 wrote nice intellegent zsh completion for a function toggeling on and off the ninja repro
[19:41] <apachelogger> whoop whoop
[19:41] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what was the "it is not" replying to btw?
[19:41] <Quintasan> apachelogger: slc
[19:41] <apachelogger> ah
[19:56] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Depending on the result of my attempts at fixing kdelibs we might have to drop kde-runtime-active altogether
[19:57] <CIA-1> [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110830195707-obakd422wwsdw9pw * (share/config/khtmlrc debian/changelog) (log message trimmed)
[19:57] <CIA-1> Drop khtmlrc as rekonq is default browser we do not need to ship our outdated
[19:57] <CIA-1> filter list anymore + it is easily switched on by the user. Also the config
[19:57] <apachelogger> Quintasan: why is that?
[19:58] <rbelem> Quintasan, why drop?
[19:59] <rbelem> :-)
[19:59] <Quintasan> apachelogger,rbelem: for some reason kde-runtime-active depends on kde-runtime which leads to dependency hell as you might have guess since kde-runtime-active conflicts with kde-runtime
[20:00] <rbelem> Quintasan, o.O
[20:00] <Quintasan> apparently the problem lies in kdelibs in which libkdecore5.symbols has a dep on kde-runtime and pulls it as a dependency
[20:00] <Quintasan> I've just tried changing that to kde-runtime | kde-runtime-active but I have no idea if it will work
[20:00] <Quintasan> Waiting for code to finish building
[20:01] <rbelem> Quintasan, lets drop shlibs :-D
[20:02] <Quintasan> That's not shlibs as far as I could understand
[20:02] <rbelem> Quintasan, what could be?
[20:06] <Quintasan> rbelem: Well, looks like that magic in kdelibs is responsible but I can't say without any testing
[20:15] <bulldog98> Quintasan: I have fixed that not installability
[20:15] <bulldog98> it is installable
[20:15] <Quintasan> bulldog98: Where?
[20:15] <bulldog98> Quintasan: I gave apachelogger the merge request
[20:16] <bulldog98> https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime/+merge/73391
[20:16] <apachelogger> Quintasan: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime/+merge/73391
[20:16] <Quintasan> I see
[20:16] <Quintasan> Are you sure this works?
[20:16] <bulldog98> Quintasan: I have kde-runtime-active installed on my tablet so it works
[20:16] <Quintasan> Hmm.
[20:17] <Quintasan> bulldog98: Cool stuff, now let's wait for apachelogger to merge and upload
[20:17] <Quintasan> then I can do s-l-c and plasma-mobile
[20:18] <bulldog98> Quintasan: do we have all patches in kdelibs that are in active-development/4.7 ?
[20:18] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I am doing bug triage, later phonon stuff, so I'll definitely not get to it before tomorrow evening
[20:18] <bulldog98> yofel: could do the merge
[20:19] <Quintasan> bulldog98: ask rbelem, he should know that
[20:19] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ehh...
[20:19]  * bulldog98 has to give other people work, cause he can’t do stuff by his own, since he is not an kubuntu-member
[20:19] <Quintasan> bulldog98: I'll do the merge and upload in 30 minutes
[20:19] <bulldog98> Quintasan: rbelem is in an meeting
[20:19] <Quintasan> or 45
[20:19]  * bulldog98 hugs Quintasan
[20:21]  * apachelogger wonders what to do with bug 262924
[20:33] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I think he want’s a shared place to put data for different users
[20:34] <apachelogger> yeah
[20:34] <apachelogger> BUT
[20:34] <apachelogger> what to do with it
[20:34] <apachelogger> perhaps we should discuss at UDS and implement for P 
[20:34] <apachelogger> one way or another
[20:34] <apachelogger> though I really wonder how one would implement this in a sane way
[20:34]  * apachelogger points out that /tmp would actually be the place to do that sorta thing
[20:35] <bulldog98> apachelogger: but it would get deleted after reboot
[20:35] <apachelogger> I consider that a good thing
[20:36] <apachelogger> such a shared folder should not be abused as permanent storage
[20:36] <apachelogger> far too dangerous
[20:41]  * debfx wouldn't want to deal with the "Ubuntu ate my data" bug reports
[20:42] <debfx> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/umask-to-0002 goes into this direction
[20:45] <apachelogger> jesus
[20:45] <apachelogger> veromix is a rotten piece of crap
[20:50] <bambee> really?
[20:50] <apachelogger> actually
[20:50] <apachelogger> plasma is the rotten piece of crap perhaps
[20:51] <apachelogger> since it is going down when plasmoids are rubbish
[20:51] <bambee> :\
[20:51] <apachelogger> and there are plenty of rubbish plasmoids
[20:51] <apachelogger> and then you have 3rd party plasmoids
[20:51] <apachelogger> which are of course evne more rubbish
[20:51] <apachelogger> and then the entire desktop goes down and then aaron whines about how plasma has 2k bug reports that are not triaged
[20:51] <apachelogger> blaming the bad triage rather than the unreliable product
[20:51]  * apachelogger shakes had
[20:55] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK, apachelogger, Riddell, I changed the header for the wiki to remove #kubuntu-netbook bit...
[20:55] <apachelogger> awww :(
[20:55] <Riddell> ta
[20:59] <apachelogger> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Simple+CPU+Meter?content=140181
[20:59] <apachelogger> this is also a terribly rubbish plasmoid
[20:59] <apachelogger> 2 rather silly bugs I have seen so far
[20:59] <apachelogger> crashing ones that is
[21:01] <DarkwingDuck> Also removed knowledge base link
[21:17] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck++
[21:17] <apachelogger> markey: what is a good laptop to buy these days?
[21:17] <DarkwingDuck> Lenovo :P
[21:33] <DarkwingDuck> ryanakca, Do you have the files (Like the header and such) online somewhere so I can start building the Kubuntu.org theme with it?
[21:33] <DarkwingDuck> ryanakca, RE the wiki theme.
[21:40] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: ask newz2000 about wikis
[21:45] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell, Thanks
[22:19] <Quintasan> bulldog98: kde-runtime uploaded, thanks
[22:19] <Quintasan> I'll do s-l-c and mobile tomorrow
[22:22] <markey> re
[22:22] <markey> apachelogger: http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/lenovo-thinkpad-x220.aspx
[22:23] <markey> ThinkPad X220 with SSD + IPS display
[22:23] <apachelogger> comes with windows
[22:23] <markey> sounds expensive, but USD 2k isn't a lot for this quality
[22:23] <apachelogger> fail
[22:23] <markey> just rm -rf that
[22:23] <apachelogger> I aint no paying no windows
[22:24] <markey> then good luck
[22:24] <markey> really, that's the best laptop that you could get
[22:24] <markey> settling for Dell or so would be foolish
[22:25] <apachelogger> zareason
[22:31] <DarkwingDuck> I'll keep buying ThinkPads
[22:31] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse, Let me know if this looks good to you. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Documentation
[22:31] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse, I got a lot of the info from the DocTeam and changed it to reflect Kubuntu.
[22:33] <DasKreecH> DarkwingDuck: What's the deal with Thinkpads. I heard they are dropping Linux support
[22:33] <DarkwingDuck> DasKreecH, dropping Linux support? URL?
[22:33] <DarkwingDuck> DasKreecH, Best HDW I've ever worked with in the form of a laptop.
[22:33] <DasKreecH> I know
[22:34] <DasKreecH> Jsut things like the fingerprint scanner and so far as I understand Lenovo does a good amount of the driver work there
[22:34] <DarkwingDuck> Although, the one I currently have is a bahemith. Not looking forward to lugging it around UDS LOL
[22:34] <DarkwingDuck> the fingerprint scanner... ahhh...
[22:35] <DarkwingDuck> The HDW support is good. the linux implementation of it sux. 
[22:35] <DasKreecH> Just recall hearing about 2 months ago that they are not saying they will be having support for all their hardware under Linux
[22:35] <DarkwingDuck> and actually, my fingerprint scanner isn't support in the W700...
[22:35] <DasKreecH> They are solid laptops though as long as you dno't mind ugly
[22:35] <DarkwingDuck> Don't know if it's because it's an older model or what...
[22:36] <DarkwingDuck> Well, I have a larger model.
[22:37] <ryanakca> DarkwingDuck: Only what sheytan sent me (the blue header, the menu bg and the menu spacer)
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: at the least, the plasma crashes don't bring down the whole desktop generally
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> *python crashes
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> that's why they're pushing scripted plasmoids so hard :P
[22:39] <ryanakca> DarkwingDuck: I'll forward it to you, let me pull my netbook out.
[22:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: sure they do if the result in an unhandled exception or segfault
[22:42] <apachelogger> only javascripts avoids crashery
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> normal pykde programs don't crash entirely when they hit an unhandled python exception
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> segfaults in the bindings do crash, tho
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> man, the trolls are out in full force here :( http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2011/08/rendering-at-60-frames/
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> I, personally, am excited :D
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> I already get 40-50 fps during mimimize animations and such, but any improvement is good
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> even with the cube I still get 30 fps
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> and this on a crappy integrated intel card
[22:51] <DarkwingDuck> ryanakca, Thanks mate
[23:11] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger, ScottK, JontheEchidna, are any of your "locked" with these graphics for the wiki theme?  http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/wiki/baseg.jpg
[23:12] <DarkwingDuck> Or, can we go crazy?
[23:12] <DarkwingDuck> well, crazy/new idea as long as it looks good.