[02:01] jcastro: aww [03:01] Sweet. I finally finished that USB RGB throbber arduino thing. Responds to a single 3 bit byte to control what colors are on over ttyUSB0 [03:01] alias alert='echo "1" > /dev/ttyUSB0' [03:01] :) [03:36] Good afternoon all [03:42] hello head_victim [03:42] Morning! [03:45] It's good being in front of almost everyone :) [03:45] How goes. [03:45] Pretty good, I just woke up. [03:45] Tomorrow and day after being holidays give me great motivation :D [03:45] Nice, It's been 22 hours since I woke up :/ [03:46] Ouch. [03:46] Yeah, trying to find a way to type an assertive email without upsetting people so it's taking longer than anticipated [03:47] * head_victim thinks some people might be trying to take advantage of popey 's absence on the -users ml [03:47] Didn't popey shut it down? [03:48] Oh wait, that was sounder. [03:48] Hah nah they're trying to convert the -users into a sounder :/ [03:48] ouch. [03:49] Ah well, I'll probably get shouted down but I'm about to hit send to point out the obvious [04:47] jono's last tweet explains that his wife reads his tweets :P [04:48] (j [04:49] (j/k) :) [04:50] lol [06:06] howdy dpm [06:06] heya jono :) [06:23] Morning dpm [06:23] morning nigelb [06:23] dpm: Is the schedule for app developer day sort of stable now? [06:24] We'd like to get it added to the calender and do a blog post about it on the classroom blog [06:25] nigelb, yeah, definitely. It would be great to find 2 sessions to close the open slots in the schedule, but it is stable as of yesterday: [06:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Timetable [06:26] I wanted to blog about it yesterday, but got busy with developer.ubuntu.com, so if you guys can do a blog post on the classroom blog, that'd be awesome! [06:26] I'll get it done today evening, when I get home :) [06:27] * dpm hugs nigelb [06:27] * nigelb hugs dpm :) [07:00] good morning [07:28] hey dholbach [07:28] just FYI - I moved our call earlier by 30m [07:28] I also sent you a link to a Google Doc where I tracked the work we discussed [07:28] hi jono [07:28] yep, saw it - thanks! [07:29] did you have another look at the doc I sent? [07:29] I figured it would be easier as you need to take off [07:29] dholbach, I did [07:29] it looks good [07:29] great [07:29] we have plenty to discuss :-) [07:30] yeah :) [07:30] heya dholbach! [07:30] hiya nigelb [07:33] head_victim: meeting today? [07:34] Or is it next tuesday? [07:37] They have it as the 2nd and 4th so that actually means 2 weeks time [07:37] I assume you mean RMB? [07:40] And what's worse, being the shiftworker I am (disclosed before accepting position) means I actually miss the first one I could attend unless I can organise my lunch hour around it, which will depend on workload. [07:49] head_victim: Yeah, I meant RMB. [08:35] nigelb: speaking of RMB, is there anywhere I can go to read up on the general admin rules (quorum, what to do if...... and all that sort of thing?) [08:36] head_victim: hmm, not sure if such a place exist beyond some mailing lists. someone on the board should know better. czajkowski? [08:36] * nigelb is not on any board. [08:38] head_victim: which board are you on [08:42] czajkowski: asia oceania [08:42] *membership board [08:42] head_victim: best to ask them how they operate tbh, and how they chair rotations and how votes are done tbh [08:43] czajkowski: no worries, wasn't sure if there was a set standard but appears not. [08:44] g26 [08:44] gah [08:45] head_victim: sorry cant be more help, I've yet to see an a/o meeting take place in a long time. hopefully that's about to change :) [08:48] czajkowski: yeah the wiki is far from up to date. Just making sure there wasn't some SOPs somewhere I hadn't stumbled on yet [08:54] what wiki page? [08:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania [08:57] yeah as I said, there's not been a meting in a long while and not updating the page in a while., they do their page differently than the others as well [08:58] No worries, I'll use the launchpad group to send them an email === ejat- is now known as ejat === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch [15:16] dholbach, when you've got a minute, could you tweet from ubuntudev about UADW? -> http://davidplanella.wordpress.com/2011/08/30/announcing-ubuntu-app-developer-week-oneiric/ [15:16] will do [15:16] * dpm hugs dholbach [15:16] * dholbach hugs dpm back [15:18] * dpm runs to catch a plane [15:35] dholbach, hey [15:35] sorry a few mins late, was grabbing breakfast [15:36] hey jono [15:36] all set on skype? [15:36] no worries [15:36] let's go [15:38] Bah, new version of contributor agreement wants people to print, sign, scan? That's a bit too much. [15:39] Really glad I already signed the agreement. [15:40] nigelb: for canonicial attrubution? [15:41] attribution [15:41] paultag: There is no more attribution. [15:42] Its just the agreement. [15:42] I own the copyright for my code, but Canonical has full permission to do whatever with it. [15:42] nigelb: but what are you signing over then? [15:42] Oh jeez [15:42] or something. [15:42] yeah, I'm staying way far away from that [15:43] man, it's looking more and more like debian time for me [15:43] Why? [15:44] No one is forcing you to sign the agreement, unless you want to write code for something that Canonical started. [15:44] nigelb: stuff's getting bogus, and I can't help but feel like this is not the same project it was a few years ago [15:44] nigelb: yeah, that's the point :) [15:44] Debian's not that far away. We'd still love you for maintaining fluxbox :) [15:45] nigelb, the ensemble team told me that too [15:45] nigelb: I'm realskies upstream there, I'm now @fluxbox.org [15:45] and I'm going to GSoC:MS for them [15:46] Nice [15:46] daker: did you sign it? [15:46] nigelb, i am not a crazy ツ [15:46] hehehe ^5 daker [15:47] if I wanted to give code away under whatever license, I'd choose BSD by hand [15:47] meh, I'd rather improve my frustration with Launchpad than just crib. [15:47] if I say something's GPL or AGPL then I'd expect you'd respect that [15:47] and if you force people to say Oh but we can do what we want - even turn it into a for-pay nonfree model and you get nothing, thanks for stoping by [15:47] in the end it's not respectful [15:47] which is a damn shame [15:48] and, to be clear, fluxbox is BSD, so I don't have some problem with it [15:48] it'ps just I expect my terms to be respected. === daker_ is now known as daker [16:07] hey dholbach [16:07] hey jcastro [16:07] hey so it appears to me that shutting down sounder just made people think they can act like idiots on -users [16:07] discuss. [16:08] talk to ogra about it - he's been complaining about it for a longer while already [16:08] yes, he's been complaining for like 3 years [16:08] I guess we need to put out a call for more moderators [16:08] but it's been getting worse since sounder shut down [16:08] for a while it's been better again [16:09] let's not tell popey, he'll just go turn it off [16:09] * jcastro grins. === daker is now known as daker_ [16:10] jcastro: That was one of the arguments for keeping sounder on [16:10] That way those sort of discussion could be pushed there. [16:11] ok so basically people think it's ok to act like idiots because they don't have an officially designated place to act like idiots. [16:12] I was thinking more along the lines of "don't act like an idiot" [16:12] dholbach: +1 to more moderators (I'm a list admin, but I don't read it, never have, I was added because I didn't unvolunteer ;)), but I don't think anyone wants the job [16:12] jcastro: yeah, I don't think we should be hosting such junk [16:12] there is a whole internet out there for it [16:13] "I can be an asshole to you on this list because they don't have sounder, which was where I was self contained before, but since you took it away it entitles me to pollute the rest of the project with my bile. Rabble, rabble." [16:13] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-August/003189.html [16:13] this one is awesome [16:15] jcastro: +1 for "don't act like an idiot" [16:15] lets tell popey [16:15] he'll get it shut down in a week. [16:15] "Unfortunately, my experiences of the last years with ubuntu maintainers teach that being confrontational has the highest probability of getting a bug/problem fixed, while beeing friendly usually results in beeing ignored" [16:15] that is awesome [16:16] :| [16:23] alright my friends - I call it a day [16:23] see you all tomorrow [16:23] g'nite dholbach === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado [16:44] mhall119, cjohnston are we still moving along smoothly on the l.u.c stuff? [16:53] jono: yup, the data recovery script is done, waiting review, and we have IS ready to run it as soon as it's ready for them [16:53] mhall119, what is waiting to be reviewed? [16:53] the blog feed changes are also ready, I believe, and once we do the data recover we'll be ready to move that out [16:53] jono: just the code for the recovery script, to make sure I didn't miss any glaring logic errors [16:54] ahhh gotcha [16:54] mhall119, think we can get that reviewed today? [16:54] the last thing I want to do is cause *more* damage to the databas [16:54] I think so, cjohnston has some presentation to do at work today, which is probably where he is now [16:54] cool [16:54] thanks mhall119 [16:55] np [16:55] rock and roll :-) [17:02] hey so what's going on with loco directory [17:02] this sounds awesome [17:08] http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ie/events 3 jams :D [17:08] nice :) [17:09] yeah am well chuffed [17:09] I'm just pleased we pulled off one, holiday weekend here in the stats has everyone MIA (including me) [17:09] s/stats/states [17:55] jcastro: we're blowing it up [18:04] Wait until you see my etherpad lite blog post [18:04] I will be awesome today [18:08] mhall119, how long does it take a member in LP to show up as a team member in the LD [18:09] I just had the contact for one of our events join the NC LoCo Team in LP but I can't find his name in the LD to list him as POC [18:15] akgraner: about an hour usually [18:15] that's to have their profile updated, their user account is created at login [18:15] we're working on improving that [18:21] hey jono it's nice being quoted with you (and Linus) in the same article - Linus Torvalds and Others on Community Burnout - http://www.datamation.com/open-source/linus-torvalds-and-others-on-community-burnout-1.html [18:22] ahhh he published it...reading [18:24] hey mhall119 [18:24] http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/9593170639/etherpad-lite-now-easy-to-deploy-for-your-events [18:24] jono: ^ [18:24] Now everyone can have etherpad lite for their event [18:24] total set up time ~10 minutes [18:24] cost, a few dollars [18:25] jcastro, sweet! [18:25] AlanBell: ^^ etherpad light for UDS-P? [18:25] mhall119: top that with loco directory today. :) [18:25] jcastro: heh, I might ;) [18:27] http://ec2-50-17-151-64.compute-1.amazonaws.com:9001/ [18:27] throw something up there everyone [18:27] kick the tires [18:29] man [18:29] I can't tell you how many events this would have been awesome at [18:30] jono: let's time machine [18:30] pretend it's LRL USA. [18:31] "omg I need infrastructure for my event" [18:31] "oh now worries bro, here's a bundle of formulas, we call it the Open Conference Pack" [18:31] blam, you get etherpad, a wiki, a blog, summit, etc. [18:32] jcastro++ [18:32] jcastro: is that etherpad lite? [18:32] YESSIR [18:32] in all it's node.js glory [18:32] \o/ [18:33] How's the server load? [18:33] Daviey: ^^ Switch too etherpad lite! [18:33] 0.0 [18:33] it's an m1.large [18:33] well, large shouldn't raise a peep [18:33] jcastro: RAM? [18:33] james "guesses" you could do an event like UDS on an m1.large, but he's not willing to put his name down for that. [18:34] http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types/ [18:34] nigelb: look at the 2nd instance [18:34] Interesting article, thanks for posting akgraner [18:34] that's what it's on right now [18:34] I know what large is :) [18:34] oh [18:34] ;) [18:34] * nigelb manages ec2 servers at work [18:34] oh, didn't know that [18:34] ok so even if it scaled I would bet that IS would want the instance running locally at the UDS location anyway [18:35] at that point you just fire up orchestra and deploy to the local thing instead [18:35] ^^^ note that that part doesn't work yet [18:35] jcastro: I wonder if the project could need the svg template/generation software I developed for UDS-N [18:35] but local would be bad for remote. [18:36] I bet running the whole thing in EC2 would work fine [18:36] doctormo, thanks - I was as honest I as could be when I talked to Bruce... [18:36] It totally should. [18:36] it's not like we're streaming 1080p video [18:36] jcastro: WE could do some smart load balancing if we wanted to. [18:36] yeah he is working on that next [18:36] Like, two instances talking to same db [18:36] right [18:36] you just add the mysql one [18:36] make the relation [18:36] and then a load balancer between. [18:37] and then add a load balancer [18:37] heh, we're thinking the same thing :) [18:37] if the request comes from internal IPs, hit the local server, everything else, EC2. [18:37] nigelb: great minds think alike! [18:37] haha +1! [18:37] theoretically that is all easy with ensemble [18:37] I'm totally for it. [18:38] "haproxy can't do it - it needs to understand node.js socketio + be able to interrogate messages to determine pad locations and that all needs to be backed by a scalable key value store like cassandra or mongo" [18:38] is what he told me [18:38] at that point I decided "ok then, m1.large instead of a small, got it." [18:39] jcastro: I think jamespage might have written an ensemble formula for etherpad lite already [18:39] Daviey: that's what we're talking about [18:39] he fixed it just now [18:39] it's was almost working [18:39] cool [18:40] but now it's working [18:40] akgraner: How's life these days? [18:41] good... [18:41] getting back into my own groove [18:41] balance is a good thing [18:41] doctormo, do you have any team members in or near Lowell [18:42] akgraner: We call them force stable phases. [18:42] the priest at my old parish in Lowell wants some more information on Ubuntu and could use some face to face instructions [18:42] akgraner: Yes, Mike Rushton (leftyfb) was a member for a long time and Elizabeth DeMarco (|iz) still is. [18:43] I am sending hin the official Ubuntu Book, but wanted to give him a POC as well [18:43] s/hin/him [18:43] OK so he has options, there is a train into Boston from Lowell and getting in person training is possible here. Also I'm sure Mike could be convinced to help give some face time up there. [18:43] ok I'll let you know when he has the book and you all can take it from there [18:44] akgraner: Send an email to ubuntu-us-ma@lists.ubuntu.com when ready. [18:44] he rarely gets away from the church...his schedule is nuts [18:44] will do thanks! [18:45] I have developed a rather nifty xbmc module for video library checking, but the xbmc community is really hard. Preference Ubuntu community +1 [19:01] what is the benefit of etherpad lite over what we have working? [19:03] AlanBell: scaliability [19:03] * AlanBell hates that word [19:05] so are you meaning that in the sense that you can run it seamlessly across multiple servers, or that it uses fewer resources per user? [19:06] and is any of this worth the effort of getting IS to deploy it? [19:07] or can the ensemble/cloud peeps adopt a JFDI methodology with it? [19:09] doctormo: what checking does it do? [19:09] AlanBell: according to james page this is much lighter on the resources, by a ton [19:10] AlanBell: but if what we have no works then shrug, why change it [19:10] I think the nice thing here is for things like Barcamps and stuff [19:10] that want something fast and easy without messing around with having to be a sysadmin [19:10] Need a pad for your local jam? Done. [19:11] yeah, I can see it is better, just not a reason to change [19:11] * jcastro nods [19:11] if it could do SSO with launchpad then *yes* [19:11] well, this is very embedable [19:11] I think you just put it in an existing page [19:11] oh right [19:11] just like the other one, it sits in an iframe [19:11] I remember now [19:11] spam [19:11] right [19:12] so if it could pick up names automagically from the user logged into summit that would be sweet [19:12] or do some level of SSO/authentication [19:13] right now I am looking at it and thinking that all the theme work (which was only a few hours, but still) would need to be redone, just to get back to square one [19:13] jcastro: I was talking about a templater which takes data (sql/ical etc) and pushes out pdfs for printing. good for conference badges, room signs and other things. uses svg. [19:13] Or do I have wrong end of stick? [19:14] Oh you mean the librarian. [19:14] yeah, as part of a conference pack [19:14] that's awesome [19:14] however it is *very* easy to point summit at a different etherpad server at a moments notice [19:14] AlanBell: as far as I'm concerned the current pad is your blood and tears, whatever you think is best is what I'll support. [19:15] I wasn't the one pitchforking normal etherpad, I believe that was nigel [19:15] I have much better things to complain about [19:15] like the wiki. :p [19:15] heh, not that much blood went into it :) [19:15] xbmc librarian: checks video lengths, missing files, missing db entries (files with no entry), missing episodes from tvshows. [19:16] ok so is it like a db clean like from the menu? [19:16] when nigelb gets SSO into etherpad lite I will get my pitchfork out too [19:16] AlanBell: I agree, moving everything to nigel's plate neatly wraps up our responsibilities. [19:16] \o/ [19:16] jcastro: No, the clean actually attempts to remove db entries with no file, this just reports (no fix) on what is wrong. [19:17] Oh [19:17] do you run xbmc jcastro? [19:18] yes [19:18] it's been my side project for going on 6 months now, it's me new Ask Ubuntu. [19:18] it's taking up like all my free time [19:26] jcastro: Packagaing, setup or collecting videos? curious. [19:30] just using it [19:30] it's like KDE, 50 options buried inside 50 other options [19:30] in a for loop [19:30] jcastro: Most of the options are burried in code. do you use video addons? [19:31] a few, not many, they're too confusing to use, the UI needs work there [19:35] jcastro: Indeed it does, although kde is slightly better in that they're coming round to some UI testing. [19:36] I'm hoping I can change Daily Show and Colbert Report addons to download instead of stream... one day, future project. [19:36] Let me know if you need any help and what you're trying to do, I got mine up and running in 3 days or so. [19:38] mine works awesome [19:38] it's the needless tweaking I always do, heh [19:38] Awesome [19:38] I'll pass along the librarian addon via email for you to try out. [19:39] * jcastro nods [19:39] * AlanBell can't stream the daily show :( [19:39] doctormo: have you posted it to the ML yet? [19:40] P.S. - for all the PPA fans out there, I'm in the middle of a fancy implementation for Fluxbox >:) - http://pault.ag/fluxbox/debian/ [19:40] AlanBell: oh hey I forgot to ask you [19:40] your lens, is it for 11.10? [19:40] yes [19:40] ok whew [19:41] jono: ping [19:41] I was dreading having to tell you that it's all different in 11.10 [19:41] hey mhall119 [19:41] jcastro: I get the feeling that the documentation is a bit 11.04ish [19:41] jono: data recovery has been done, I'm going to send an email to loco-contacts letting them know and to have them check for duplicates [19:42] AlanBell: updating that is on his todo list [19:42] he's been slammed [19:42] I too have been looking forward to them [19:42] quite excited by the python lens possibilities [19:42] mhall119, awesome, and then what is the next step for landing the blogging feature? [19:43] jono: I'm not 100% sure, I'll have to check with cjohnston [19:44] mhall119, is the blogging functionality considered ready by you guys for deployment? [19:44] jono: I haven't been involved with the latest work, so I can't say [19:46] mhall119, ok, so it sounds like we should check in with cjohnston and then see if he can basically get it to IS today ready for deployment [19:46] would be great if IS can then deploy tomorrow [19:51] added the looc council to the blog feed if that's ok [19:56] I feel like everything is a nail now. [19:56] ANYONE NEED AN ETHERPAD? [19:56] If you do, I got you covered! [19:56] jcastro: what ever you're on can I get a double dose please [19:56] czajkowski: did you put it on the wiki? [19:56] is there going to be a gui front end to ensemble? [19:56] caffeine [19:57] mhall119: aye [19:57] mhall119: lotta blogs on there already [19:57] AlanBell: I guess eventually a web ui would be possible [19:57] "Deploy Etherpad" [19:57] click [19:57] yeah [19:58] * czajkowski hugs jcastro [19:58] he makes me smile [19:58] because at the moment all the stuff is "type these commands in a terminal window and . . ." by which point 80% of the target audience has given up and bought google apps [19:59] well, the target audience right now is sysadmins [20:00] AlanBell: or you just do it and resell it to normal people for money. [20:00] but I demand a 1% fee for the idea [20:01] MONEY? MONEY IN FREE SOFTWARE? HOW DARE YOU. [20:01] I'm calling popey [20:01] so you have made cloud deployments as easy as "sudo apt-get install wordpress" [20:02] but not as easy as hmm, need to do some blogging, software centre, blog, search wordpress sounds cool, install, done. [20:02] needs to be appstore easy [20:03] yeah [20:03] I see what you mean [20:03] but at this point in the lifecycle I would settle for "ensemble search wordpress" [20:03] * czajkowski cracks the whip on paultag and huats hows my etherpad filling our folks :) back online friday and it's gonna be going on the LD next week :D [20:03] right now you have to know where the formula is, snag it from version control, etc. [20:03] czajkowski: :) [20:03] I totally understand these things take time and you have to do the back end first [20:04] czajkowski: actually, let's sync later I'm EOD [20:04] paultag: am online my dear so we can flesh it out [21:52] hey jono [21:52] the day is here [21:52] happy birthday dude [21:52] http://blogs.houstonpress.com/rocks/2011/08/dubbing_the_unforgiven_20_year.php [21:53] sqeeeeee http://ticketing.southbankcentre.co.uk/find/music/gigs-contemporary/tickets/video-game-heroes-60710 [21:53] sooo looking forward to date night on friday :D [22:02] wow [22:04] jcastro, wow [22:06] if I lived in SF I would have done a listening party [23:33] pleia2 or others: Do you guys know much about networking? should a traceroute take 3x1.5 seconds to get out from a lan to google? [23:34] sure [23:34] oh, no it should not, but it could do [23:35] mtr google.com should show it nicely [23:35] AlanBell: Trying to debug network issues, home internet, WRT54G running LuCi/OpenWRT [23:36] Okay, mtr is really fast. but the traceroute tab in the network tools is really slow. [23:37] might be DNS lookups that are slow [23:37] anyhow, it is far too late here [23:37] night all o/ [23:38] doctormo: set 8.8.8.8 as your DNS server (that is google's fast DNS server) [23:38] http://paste.ubuntu.com/678394/ vs http://imagebin.org/170335 [23:39] AlanBell: Night \o [23:49] OK It's not DNS, the dns servers having been twiddled between google's 8 and the pppoe defaults.