[02:01] <mhall119> jcastro: aww
[03:01] <paultag> Sweet. I finally finished that USB RGB throbber arduino thing. Responds to a single 3 bit byte to control what colors are on over ttyUSB0
[03:01] <paultag> alias alert='echo "1" > /dev/ttyUSB0'
[03:01] <paultag>  :)
[03:36] <head_victim> Good afternoon all
[03:42] <nigelb> hello head_victim
[03:42] <nigelb> Morning!
[03:45] <head_victim> It's good being in front of almost everyone :)
[03:45] <head_victim> How goes.
[03:45] <nigelb> Pretty good, I just woke up.
[03:45] <nigelb> Tomorrow and day after being holidays give me great motivation :D
[03:45] <head_victim> Nice, It's been 22 hours since I woke up :/
[03:46] <nigelb> Ouch.
[03:46] <head_victim> Yeah, trying to find a way to type an assertive email without upsetting people so it's taking longer than anticipated
[03:47]  * head_victim thinks some people might be trying to take advantage of popey 's absence on the -users ml
[03:47] <nigelb> Didn't popey shut it down?
[03:48] <nigelb> Oh wait, that was sounder.
[03:48] <head_victim> Hah nah they're trying to convert the -users into a sounder :/
[03:48] <nigelb> ouch.
[03:49] <head_victim> Ah well, I'll probably get shouted down but I'm about to hit send to point out the obvious
[04:47] <nigelb> jono's last tweet explains that his wife reads his tweets :P
[04:48] <nigelb> (j
[04:49] <nigelb> (j/k) :)
[04:50] <jono> lol
[06:06] <jono> howdy dpm
[06:06] <dpm> heya jono :)
[06:23] <nigelb> Morning dpm
[06:23] <dpm> morning nigelb
[06:23] <nigelb> dpm: Is the schedule for app developer day sort of stable now?
[06:24] <nigelb> We'd like to get it added to the calender and do a blog post about it on the classroom blog
[06:25] <dpm> nigelb, yeah, definitely. It would be great to find 2 sessions to close the open slots in the schedule, but it is stable as of yesterday:
[06:25] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Timetable
[06:26] <dpm> I wanted to blog about it yesterday, but got busy with developer.ubuntu.com, so if you guys can do a blog post on the classroom blog, that'd be awesome!
[06:26] <nigelb> I'll get it done today evening, when I get home :)
[06:27]  * dpm hugs nigelb
[06:27]  * nigelb hugs dpm :)
[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[07:28] <jono> hey dholbach
[07:28] <jono> just FYI - I moved our call earlier by 30m
[07:28] <jono> I also sent you a link to a Google Doc where I tracked the work we discussed
[07:28] <dholbach> hi jono
[07:28] <dholbach> yep, saw it - thanks!
[07:29] <dholbach> did you have another look at the doc I sent?
[07:29] <jono> I figured it would be easier as you need to take off
[07:29] <jono> dholbach, I did
[07:29] <jono> it looks good
[07:29] <dholbach> great
[07:29] <jono> we have plenty to discuss :-)
[07:30] <dholbach> yeah :)
[07:30] <nigelb> heya dholbach!
[07:30] <dholbach> hiya nigelb
[07:33] <nigelb> head_victim: meeting today?
[07:34] <nigelb> Or is it next tuesday?
[07:37] <head_victim> They have it as the 2nd and 4th so that actually means 2 weeks time
[07:37] <head_victim> I assume you mean RMB?
[07:40] <head_victim> And what's worse, being the shiftworker I am (disclosed before accepting position) means I actually miss the first one I could attend unless I can organise my lunch hour around it, which will depend on workload.
[07:49] <nigelb> head_victim: Yeah, I meant RMB.
[08:35] <head_victim> nigelb: speaking of RMB, is there anywhere I can go to read up on the general admin rules (quorum, what to do if...... and all that sort of thing?)
[08:36] <nigelb> head_victim: hmm, not sure if such a place exist beyond some mailing lists. someone on the board should know better. czajkowski?
[08:36]  * nigelb is not on any board.
[08:38] <czajkowski> head_victim: which board are you on
[08:42] <head_victim> czajkowski: asia oceania
[08:42] <head_victim> *membership board
[08:42] <czajkowski> head_victim: best to ask them how they operate tbh, and how they chair rotations and how votes are done tbh
[08:43] <head_victim> czajkowski: no worries, wasn't sure if there was a set standard but appears not.
[08:44] <nigelb> g26
[08:44] <nigelb> gah
[08:45] <czajkowski> head_victim: sorry cant be more help, I've yet to see an a/o meeting take place in a long time. hopefully that's about to change :)
[08:48] <head_victim> czajkowski: yeah the wiki is far from up to date. Just making sure there wasn't some SOPs somewhere I hadn't stumbled on yet
[08:54] <czajkowski> what wiki page?
[08:56] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[08:57] <czajkowski> yeah as I said, there's not been a meting in a long while and not updating the page in a while., they do their page differently than the others as well
[08:58] <head_victim> No worries, I'll use the launchpad group to send them an email
[15:16] <dpm> dholbach, when you've got a minute, could you tweet from ubuntudev about UADW? -> http://davidplanella.wordpress.com/2011/08/30/announcing-ubuntu-app-developer-week-oneiric/
[15:16] <dholbach> will do
[15:16]  * dpm hugs dholbach
[15:16]  * dholbach hugs dpm back
[15:18]  * dpm runs to catch a plane
[15:35] <jono> dholbach, hey
[15:35] <jono> sorry a few mins late, was grabbing breakfast
[15:36] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:36] <jono> all set on skype?
[15:36] <dholbach> no worries
[15:36] <dholbach> let's go
[15:38] <nigelb> Bah, new version of contributor agreement wants people to print, sign, scan? That's a bit too much.
[15:39] <nigelb> Really glad I already signed the agreement.
[15:40] <paultag> nigelb: for canonicial attrubution?
[15:41] <paultag> attribution
[15:41] <nigelb> paultag: There is no more attribution.
[15:42] <nigelb> Its just the agreement.
[15:42] <nigelb> I own the copyright for my code, but Canonical has full permission to do whatever with it.
[15:42] <paultag> nigelb: but what are you signing over then?
[15:42] <paultag> Oh jeez
[15:42] <nigelb> or something.
[15:42] <paultag> yeah, I'm staying way far away from that
[15:43] <paultag> man, it's looking more and more like debian time for  me
[15:43] <nigelb> Why?
[15:44] <nigelb> No one is forcing you to sign the agreement, unless you want to write code for something that Canonical started.
[15:44] <paultag> nigelb: stuff's getting bogus, and I can't help but feel like this is not the same project it was a few years ago
[15:44] <paultag> nigelb: yeah, that's the point :)
[15:44] <nigelb> Debian's not that far away. We'd still love you for maintaining fluxbox :)
[15:45] <daker> nigelb, the ensemble team told me that too
[15:45] <paultag> nigelb: I'm realskies upstream there, I'm now @fluxbox.org
[15:45] <paultag> and I'm going to GSoC:MS for them
[15:46] <nigelb> Nice
[15:46] <nigelb> daker: did you sign it?
[15:46] <daker> nigelb, i am not a crazy ツ
[15:46] <paultag> hehehe ^5 daker
[15:47] <paultag> if I wanted to give code away under whatever license, I'd choose BSD by hand
[15:47] <nigelb> meh, I'd rather improve my frustration with Launchpad than just crib.
[15:47] <paultag> if I say something's GPL or AGPL then I'd expect you'd respect that
[15:47] <paultag> and if you force people to say Oh but we can do what we want - even turn it into a for-pay nonfree model and you get nothing, thanks for stoping by
[15:47] <paultag> in the end it's not respectful
[15:47] <paultag> which is a damn shame
[15:48] <paultag> and, to be clear, fluxbox is BSD, so I don't have some problem with it
[15:48] <paultag> it'ps just I expect my terms to be respected.
[16:07] <jcastro> hey dholbach
[16:07] <dholbach> hey jcastro
[16:07] <jcastro> hey so it appears to me that shutting down sounder just made people think they can act like idiots on -users
[16:07] <jcastro> discuss.
[16:08] <dholbach> talk to ogra about it - he's been complaining about it for a longer while already
[16:08] <jcastro> yes, he's been complaining for like 3 years
[16:08] <dholbach> I guess we need to put out a call for more moderators
[16:08] <jcastro> but it's been getting worse since sounder shut down
[16:08] <dholbach> for a while it's been better again
[16:09] <jcastro> let's not tell popey, he'll just go turn it off
[16:09]  * jcastro grins.
[16:10] <nigelb> jcastro: That was one of the arguments for keeping sounder on
[16:10] <nigelb> That way those sort of discussion could be pushed there.
[16:11] <jcastro> ok so basically people think it's ok to act like idiots because they don't have an officially designated place to act like idiots.
[16:12] <jcastro> I was thinking more along the lines of "don't act like an idiot"
[16:12] <pleia2> dholbach: +1 to more moderators (I'm a list admin, but I don't read it, never have, I was added because I didn't unvolunteer ;)), but I don't think anyone wants the job
[16:12] <pleia2> jcastro: yeah, I don't think we should be hosting such junk
[16:12] <pleia2> there is a whole internet out there for it
[16:13] <jcastro> "I can be an asshole to you on this list because they don't have sounder, which was where I was self contained before, but since you took it away it entitles me to pollute the rest of the project with my bile. Rabble, rabble."
[16:13] <jcastro> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-August/003189.html
[16:13] <jcastro> this one is awesome
[16:15] <nigelb> jcastro: +1 for "don't act like an idiot"
[16:15] <nigelb> lets tell popey
[16:15] <nigelb> he'll get it shut down in a week.
[16:15] <jcastro> "Unfortunately, my experiences of the last years with ubuntu maintainers teach that being confrontational has the highest probability of getting a bug/problem fixed, while beeing friendly usually results in beeing ignored"
[16:15] <jcastro> that is awesome
[16:16] <nigelb> :|
[16:23] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day
[16:23] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[16:23] <nigelb> g'nite dholbach
[16:44] <jono> mhall119, cjohnston are we still moving along smoothly on the l.u.c stuff?
[16:53] <mhall119> jono: yup, the data recovery script is done, waiting review, and we have IS ready to run it as soon as it's ready for them
[16:53] <jono> mhall119, what is waiting to be reviewed?
[16:53] <mhall119> the blog feed changes are also ready, I believe, and once we do the data recover we'll be ready to move that out
[16:53] <mhall119> jono: just the code for the recovery script, to make sure I didn't miss any glaring logic errors
[16:54] <jono> ahhh gotcha
[16:54] <jono> mhall119, think we can get that reviewed today?
[16:54] <mhall119> the last thing I want to do is cause *more* damage to the databas
[16:54] <mhall119> I think so, cjohnston has some presentation to do at work today, which is probably where he is now
[16:54] <jono> cool
[16:54] <jono> thanks mhall119
[16:55] <mhall119> np
[16:55] <jono> rock and roll :-)
[17:02] <jcastro> hey so what's going on with loco directory
[17:02] <jcastro> this sounds awesome
[17:08] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ie/events  3 jams :D
[17:08] <pleia2> nice :)
[17:09] <czajkowski> yeah am well chuffed
[17:09] <pleia2> I'm just pleased we pulled off one, holiday weekend here in the stats has everyone MIA (including me)
[17:09] <pleia2> s/stats/states
[17:55] <mhall119> jcastro: we're blowing it up
[18:04] <jcastro> Wait until you see my etherpad lite blog post
[18:04] <jcastro> I will be awesome today
[18:08] <akgraner> mhall119, how long does it take a member in LP to show up as a team member in the LD
[18:09] <akgraner> I just had the contact for one of our events join the NC LoCo Team in LP but I can't find his name in the LD to list him as POC
[18:15] <mhall119> akgraner: about an hour usually
[18:15] <mhall119> that's to have their profile updated, their user account is created at login
[18:15] <mhall119> we're working on improving that
[18:21] <akgraner> hey jono it's nice being quoted with you (and Linus) in the same article - Linus Torvalds and Others on Community Burnout - http://www.datamation.com/open-source/linus-torvalds-and-others-on-community-burnout-1.html
[18:22] <jono> ahhh he published it...reading
[18:24] <jcastro> hey mhall119
[18:24] <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/9593170639/etherpad-lite-now-easy-to-deploy-for-your-events
[18:24] <jcastro> jono: ^
[18:24] <jcastro> Now everyone can have etherpad lite for their event
[18:24] <jcastro> total set up time ~10 minutes
[18:24] <jcastro> cost, a few dollars
[18:25] <jono> jcastro, sweet!
[18:25] <mhall119> AlanBell: ^^ etherpad light for UDS-P?
[18:25] <jcastro> mhall119: top that with loco directory today. :)
[18:25] <mhall119> jcastro: heh, I might ;)
[18:27] <jcastro> http://ec2-50-17-151-64.compute-1.amazonaws.com:9001/
[18:27] <jcastro> throw something up there everyone
[18:27] <jcastro> kick the tires
[18:29] <jcastro> man
[18:29] <jcastro> I can't tell you how many events this would have been awesome at
[18:30] <jcastro> jono: let's time machine
[18:30] <jcastro> pretend it's LRL USA.
[18:31] <jcastro> "omg I need infrastructure for my event"
[18:31] <jcastro> "oh now worries bro, here's a bundle of formulas, we call it the Open Conference Pack"
[18:31] <jcastro> blam, you get etherpad, a wiki, a blog, summit, etc.
[18:32] <nigelb> jcastro++
[18:32] <nigelb> jcastro: is that etherpad lite?
[18:32] <jcastro> YESSIR
[18:32] <jcastro> in all it's node.js glory
[18:32] <nigelb> \o/
[18:33] <nigelb> How's the server load?
[18:33] <nigelb> Daviey: ^^ Switch too etherpad lite!
[18:33] <jcastro> 0.0
[18:33] <jcastro> it's an m1.large
[18:33] <nigelb> well, large shouldn't raise a peep
[18:33] <nigelb> jcastro: RAM?
[18:33] <jcastro> james "guesses" you could do an event like UDS on an m1.large, but he's not willing to put his name down for that.
[18:34] <jcastro> http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types/
[18:34] <jcastro> nigelb: look at the 2nd instance
[18:34] <doctormo> Interesting article, thanks for posting akgraner
[18:34] <jcastro> that's what it's on right now
[18:34] <nigelb> I know what large is :)
[18:34] <jcastro> oh
[18:34] <jcastro> ;)
[18:34]  * nigelb manages ec2 servers at work
[18:34] <jcastro> oh, didn't know that
[18:34] <jcastro> ok so even if it scaled I would bet that IS would want the instance running locally at the UDS location anyway
[18:35] <jcastro> at that point you just fire up orchestra and deploy to the local thing instead
[18:35] <jcastro> ^^^ note that that part doesn't work yet
[18:35] <doctormo> jcastro: I wonder if the project could need the svg template/generation software I developed for UDS-N
[18:35] <nigelb> but local would be bad for remote.
[18:36] <jcastro> I bet running the whole thing in EC2 would work fine
[18:36] <akgraner> doctormo, thanks - I was as honest I as could be when I talked to Bruce...
[18:36] <nigelb> It totally should.
[18:36] <jcastro> it's not like we're streaming 1080p video
[18:36] <nigelb> jcastro: WE could do some smart load balancing if we wanted to.
[18:36] <jcastro> yeah he is working on that next
[18:36] <nigelb> Like, two instances talking to same db
[18:36] <jcastro> right
[18:36] <jcastro> you just add the mysql one
[18:36] <jcastro> make the relation
[18:36] <nigelb> and then a load balancer between.
[18:37] <jcastro> and then add a load balancer
[18:37] <nigelb> heh, we're thinking the same thing :)
[18:37] <jcastro> if the request comes from internal IPs, hit the local server, everything else, EC2.
[18:37] <jcastro> nigelb: great minds think alike!
[18:37] <nigelb> haha +1!
[18:37] <jcastro> theoretically that is all easy with ensemble
[18:37] <nigelb> I'm totally for it.
[18:38] <jcastro> "haproxy can't do it - it needs to understand node.js socketio + be able to interrogate messages to determine pad locations and that all needs to be backed by a scalable key value store like cassandra or mongo"
[18:38] <jcastro> is what he told me
[18:38] <jcastro> at that point I decided "ok then, m1.large instead of a small, got it."
[18:39] <Daviey> jcastro: I think jamespage might have written an ensemble formula for etherpad lite already
[18:39] <jcastro> Daviey: that's what we're talking about
[18:39] <jcastro> he fixed it just now
[18:39] <jcastro> it's was almost working
[18:39] <Daviey> cool
[18:40] <jcastro> but now it's working
[18:40] <doctormo> akgraner: How's life these days?
[18:41] <akgraner> good...
[18:41] <akgraner> getting back into my own groove
[18:41] <akgraner> balance is a good thing
[18:41] <akgraner> doctormo, do you have any team members in or near Lowell
[18:42] <doctormo> akgraner: We call them force stable phases.
[18:42] <akgraner> the priest at my old parish in Lowell wants some more information on Ubuntu and could use some face to face instructions
[18:42] <doctormo> akgraner: Yes, Mike Rushton (leftyfb) was a member for a long time and Elizabeth DeMarco (|iz) still is.
[18:43] <akgraner> I am sending hin the official Ubuntu Book, but wanted to give him a POC as well
[18:43] <akgraner> s/hin/him
[18:43] <doctormo> OK so he has options, there is a train into Boston from Lowell and getting in person training is possible here. Also I'm sure Mike could be convinced to help give some face time up there.
[18:43] <akgraner> ok I'll let you know when he has the book and you all can take it from there
[18:44] <doctormo> akgraner: Send an email to ubuntu-us-ma@lists.ubuntu.com when ready.
[18:44] <akgraner> he rarely gets away from the church...his schedule is nuts
[18:44] <akgraner> will do thanks!
[18:45] <doctormo> I have developed a rather nifty xbmc module for video library checking, but the xbmc community is really hard. Preference Ubuntu community +1
[19:01] <AlanBell> what is the benefit of etherpad lite over what we have working?
[19:03] <Daviey> AlanBell: scaliability
[19:03]  * AlanBell hates that word
[19:05] <AlanBell> so are you meaning that in the sense that you can run it seamlessly across multiple servers, or that it uses fewer resources per user?
[19:06] <AlanBell> and is any of this worth the effort of getting IS to deploy it?
[19:07] <AlanBell> or can the ensemble/cloud peeps adopt a JFDI methodology with it?
[19:09] <jcastro> doctormo: what checking does it do?
[19:09] <jcastro> AlanBell: according to james page this is much lighter on the resources, by a ton
[19:10] <jcastro> AlanBell: but if what we have no works then shrug, why change it
[19:10] <jcastro> I think the nice thing here is for things like Barcamps and stuff
[19:10] <jcastro> that want something fast and easy without messing around with having to be a sysadmin
[19:10] <jcastro> Need a pad for your local jam? Done.
[19:11] <AlanBell> yeah, I can see it is better, just not a reason to change
[19:11]  * jcastro nods
[19:11] <AlanBell> if it could do SSO with launchpad then *yes*
[19:11] <jcastro> well, this is very embedable
[19:11] <jcastro> I think you just put it in an existing page
[19:11] <jcastro> oh right
[19:11] <AlanBell> just like the other one, it sits in an iframe
[19:11] <jcastro> I remember now
[19:11] <jcastro> spam
[19:11] <jcastro> right
[19:12] <AlanBell> so if it could pick up names automagically from the user logged into summit that would be sweet
[19:12] <AlanBell> or do some level of SSO/authentication
[19:13] <AlanBell> right now I am looking at it and thinking that all the theme work (which was only a few hours, but still) would need to be redone, just to get back to square one
[19:13] <doctormo> jcastro: I was talking about a templater which takes data (sql/ical etc) and pushes out pdfs for printing. good for conference badges, room signs and other things. uses svg.
[19:13] <doctormo> Or do I have wrong end of stick?
[19:14] <doctormo> Oh you mean the librarian.
[19:14] <jcastro> yeah, as part of a conference pack
[19:14] <jcastro> that's awesome
[19:14] <AlanBell> however it is *very* easy to point summit at a different etherpad server at a moments notice
[19:14] <jcastro> AlanBell: as far as I'm concerned the current pad is your blood and tears, whatever you think is best is what I'll support.
[19:15] <jcastro> I wasn't the one pitchforking normal etherpad, I believe that was nigel
[19:15] <jcastro> I have much better things to complain about
[19:15] <jcastro> like the wiki. :p
[19:15] <AlanBell> heh, not that much blood went into it :)
[19:15] <doctormo> xbmc librarian: checks video lengths, missing files, missing db entries (files with no entry), missing episodes from tvshows.
[19:16] <jcastro> ok so is it like a db clean like from the menu?
[19:16] <AlanBell> when nigelb gets SSO into etherpad lite I will get my pitchfork out too
[19:16] <jcastro> AlanBell: I agree, moving everything to nigel's plate neatly wraps up our responsibilities.
[19:16] <AlanBell> \o/
[19:16] <doctormo> jcastro: No, the clean actually attempts to remove db entries with no file, this just reports (no fix) on what is wrong.
[19:17] <jcastro> Oh
[19:17] <doctormo> do you run xbmc jcastro?
[19:18] <jcastro> yes
[19:18] <jcastro> it's been my side project for going on 6 months now, it's me new Ask Ubuntu.
[19:18] <jcastro> it's taking up like all my free time
[19:26] <doctormo> jcastro: Packagaing, setup or collecting videos? curious.
[19:30] <jcastro> just using it
[19:30] <jcastro> it's like KDE, 50 options buried inside 50 other options
[19:30] <jcastro> in a for loop
[19:30] <doctormo> jcastro: Most of the options are burried in code. do you use video addons?
[19:31] <jcastro> a few, not many, they're too confusing to use, the UI needs work there
[19:35] <doctormo> jcastro: Indeed it does, although kde is slightly better in that they're coming round to some UI testing.
[19:36] <doctormo> I'm hoping I can change Daily Show and Colbert Report addons to download instead of stream... one day, future project.
[19:36] <doctormo> Let me know if you need any help and what you're trying to do, I got mine up and running in 3 days or so.
[19:38] <jcastro> mine works awesome
[19:38] <jcastro> it's the needless tweaking I always do, heh
[19:38] <doctormo> Awesome
[19:38] <doctormo> I'll pass along the librarian addon via email for you to try out.
[19:39]  * jcastro nods
[19:39]  * AlanBell can't stream the daily show :(
[19:39] <paultag> doctormo: have you posted it to the ML yet?
[19:40] <paultag> P.S. - for all the PPA fans out there, I'm in the middle of a fancy implementation for Fluxbox >:) - http://pault.ag/fluxbox/debian/
[19:40] <jcastro> AlanBell: oh hey I forgot to ask you
[19:40] <jcastro> your lens, is it for 11.10?
[19:40] <AlanBell> yes
[19:40] <jcastro> ok whew
[19:41] <mhall119> jono: ping
[19:41] <jcastro> I was dreading having to tell you that it's all different in 11.10
[19:41] <jono> hey mhall119
[19:41] <AlanBell> jcastro: I get the feeling that the documentation is a bit 11.04ish
[19:41] <mhall119> jono: data recovery has been done, I'm going to send an email to loco-contacts letting them know and to have them check for duplicates
[19:42] <jcastro> AlanBell: updating that is on his todo list
[19:42] <jcastro> he's been slammed
[19:42] <jcastro> I too have been looking forward to them
[19:42] <AlanBell> quite excited by the python lens possibilities
[19:42] <jono> mhall119, awesome, and then what is the next step for landing the blogging feature?
[19:43] <mhall119> jono: I'm not 100% sure, I'll have to check with cjohnston
[19:44] <jono> mhall119, is the blogging functionality considered ready by you guys for deployment?
[19:44] <mhall119> jono: I haven't been involved with the latest work, so I can't say
[19:46] <jono> mhall119, ok, so it sounds like we should check in with cjohnston and then see if he can basically get it to IS today ready for deployment
[19:46] <jono> would be great if IS can then deploy tomorrow
[19:51] <czajkowski> added the looc council to the blog feed if that's ok
[19:56] <jcastro> I feel like everything is a nail now.
[19:56] <jcastro> ANYONE NEED AN ETHERPAD?
[19:56] <jcastro> If you do, I got you covered!
[19:56] <czajkowski> jcastro: what ever you're on can I get a double dose please
[19:56] <mhall119> czajkowski: did you put it on the wiki?
[19:56] <AlanBell> is there going to be a gui front end to ensemble?
[19:56] <jcastro> caffeine
[19:57] <czajkowski> mhall119: aye
[19:57] <czajkowski> mhall119: lotta blogs on there already
[19:57] <jcastro> AlanBell: I guess eventually a web ui would be possible
[19:57] <jcastro> "Deploy Etherpad"
[19:57] <jcastro> click
[19:57] <AlanBell> yeah
[19:58]  * czajkowski hugs jcastro 
[19:58] <czajkowski> he makes me smile
[19:58] <AlanBell> because at the moment all the stuff is "type these commands in a terminal window and . . ." by which point 80% of the target audience has given up and bought google apps
[19:59] <jcastro> well, the target audience right now is sysadmins
[20:00] <jcastro> AlanBell: or you just do it and resell it to normal people for money.
[20:00] <jcastro> but I demand a 1% fee for the idea
[20:01] <paultag> MONEY? MONEY IN FREE SOFTWARE? HOW DARE YOU.
[20:01] <paultag> I'm calling popey
[20:01] <AlanBell> so you have made cloud deployments as easy as "sudo apt-get install wordpress"
[20:02] <AlanBell> but not as easy as hmm, need to do some blogging, software centre, blog, search wordpress sounds cool, install, done.
[20:02] <AlanBell> needs to be appstore easy
[20:03] <jcastro> yeah
[20:03] <jcastro> I see what you mean
[20:03] <jcastro> but at this point in the lifecycle I would settle for "ensemble search wordpress"
[20:03]  * czajkowski cracks the whip on paultag and huats hows my etherpad filling our folks :) back online friday and it's gonna be going on the LD next week :D
[20:03] <jcastro> right now you have to know where the formula is, snag it from version control, etc.
[20:03] <paultag> czajkowski: :)
[20:03] <AlanBell> I totally understand these things take time and you have to do the back end first
[20:04] <paultag> czajkowski: actually, let's sync later I'm EOD
[20:04] <czajkowski> paultag: am online my dear so we can flesh it out
[21:52] <jcastro> hey jono
[21:52] <jcastro> the day is here
[21:52] <jcastro> happy birthday dude
[21:52] <jcastro> http://blogs.houstonpress.com/rocks/2011/08/dubbing_the_unforgiven_20_year.php
[21:53] <czajkowski> sqeeeeee http://ticketing.southbankcentre.co.uk/find/music/gigs-contemporary/tickets/video-game-heroes-60710
[21:53] <czajkowski> sooo looking forward to date night on friday :D
[22:02] <AlanBell> wow
[22:04] <jono> jcastro, wow
[22:06] <jcastro> if I lived in SF I would have done a listening party
[23:33] <doctormo> pleia2 or others: Do you guys know much about networking? should a traceroute take 3x1.5 seconds to get out from a lan to google?
[23:34] <AlanBell> sure
[23:34] <AlanBell> oh, no it should not, but it could do
[23:35] <AlanBell> mtr google.com should show it nicely
[23:35] <doctormo> AlanBell: Trying to debug network issues, home internet, WRT54G running LuCi/OpenWRT
[23:36] <doctormo> Okay, mtr is really fast. but the traceroute tab in the network tools is really slow.
[23:37] <AlanBell> might be DNS lookups that are slow
[23:37] <AlanBell> anyhow, it is far too late here
[23:37] <AlanBell> night all o/
[23:38] <AlanBell> doctormo: set 8.8.8.8 as your DNS server (that is google's fast DNS server)
[23:38] <doctormo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/678394/ vs http://imagebin.org/170335
[23:39] <doctormo> AlanBell: Night \o
[23:49] <doctormo> OK It's not DNS, the dns servers having been twiddled between google's 8 and the pppoe defaults.