[00:11] woah, that's freaky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKiMqRSHIHs [00:11] I've never managed to do the cross-eyed stereoscopic image thing before... but I managed to do it on that video - and its quite freaky [00:11] its hard to keep the focus of the centre image though [01:36] I parted? [01:36] apparently? [03:22] HazRPG: you quit, changing host [03:22] ah [03:22] ^_^ [03:22] just in case you wondered 2hrs later [03:22] :> [03:22] heh, thanks :) [03:29] my pleasure ^_^ [04:13] why does the Ubuntu store insist on charging me in USD/Euro? [04:14] ...and in the meantime charge me UK VAT rates? [04:14] what is this I don't even. [05:07] Hm, no Oneiric updates for 2 days? [06:18] [06:18] oops [06:19] and good morning [06:20] o hai [06:20] i'm still in the US so i'm -5hrs :> [06:20] nearly got hit by Irene :O [06:56] Morning [07:27] Morning all [07:47] morning all [07:58] daftykins: hit or hit on? :P [08:00] morning all [08:00] Keep forgetting I'm leaving this session running [08:00] Morning peeps :) [08:01] and a very good morning to everyone (To be read out loud in the voice of Rabbi Lionel Blue) [08:03] helloes [08:04] anyone need a teaboy? [08:04] rates are cheap :D [08:04] Ewww. Tea? Nah... [08:04] Coffe Yes :-D [08:06] I alternate between tea and coffee. [08:06] I alternate between coffee and coffee [08:06] I alternate between coffee and beer :-) [08:07] ask a simple question ;) [08:08] anyone live over on the right hand side of the country? [08:09] MooDoo: read as 'rats are cheap' [08:10] bigcalm: lol [08:10] :) [08:11] selinxium (or whatever his handle is) lives in Southend. [08:14] Daviey: is in the bottom left, must be a pub near him somewhere [08:15] There are a few on the mailing list in the west country. [08:15] I guess I should join that mailing list thingy [08:15] Linky? [08:16] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk [08:17] Thank you :) [08:23] This just seems so wrong... https://github.com/mixu/nwm [08:24] JavaScript is the new black [08:25] nigelb is a big node.js fan [08:25] Yeah, but I haven't written much in it yet. [08:25] how did my headset get this tangled?? [08:25] I just like writing code in javascript. I do suck at it though. [08:25] train driver announced that train wouldn't be stopping at next 3 stops.. 25% of passengers get off and seek alternative transport. oimon loiters suspiciously. train waits for 2 minutes and then announces that it will be stopping there \o/ [08:26] waiting is, generally, the right thing to do [08:27] although sometimes waiting 15 mins and then deciding to follow the crowd leads to much lateness [08:27] but i agree. waiting is usually as quick as buses [08:28] AlanBell: I am always in the bottom left. [08:28] i have the magic ability to be always standing at juuust the right spot to have the train doors stop right infront of me, i think i'm a wizard [08:28] BUT bottem left of what? [08:29] gord: me too. i usually add to that trick by holding out my finger and the door button arrives in front of it :D [08:29] gord, do you also walk through brick walls to get to special platforms? [08:30] gord is special, that is all. [08:34] woke up at 4.30 today :( [08:36] Daviey: propose a pub name and postcode http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/ [08:36] AlanBell: One which i haven't been banned from? [08:36] ideally [08:37] One i dodn't mind associating with beardy people in? [08:37] heh [08:38] Daviey: pubs you haven't been banned from? That's a short list I'm sure. [08:38] Good morning, world. :-) [08:38] (and, morning, btw) [08:40] hey Mez [08:40] Daviey: are you now not a beardy person? [08:40] AlanBell: fellow beards :) [09:02] Oh... god... it's going to be one of those days. I've had to use memegenerator in response to emails twice already today. [09:05] heh [09:05] Mez: Y U NO READ? [09:07] are the emails regarding your excessive use of meme's as a communication tool? [09:08] haters gonna hate [09:09] AlanBell / TheOpenSourcerer, I'm a west country person.. still not decided where to have a happy hour [09:10] diplo-: Where abouts? [09:16] Sorry, Near Bath [09:16] Placed called Trowbridge [09:17] diplo: was salt mined there or possibly a port for it? [09:17] A Severn (the river) Trow was a salt barge [09:19] Not afaik, mainly weaving and stuff here in the past [09:20] Bridge by the tree according to google :) [09:21] Can't say what tree :D [09:29] aloha folks [09:30] hi czajkowski [09:30] MooDoo: howdy [09:30] czajkowski: relaxed? [09:30] yup [09:32] czajkowski: glad to hear it :) [09:51] seen this? http://www.benpurdy.com/2011/08/minecraft-in-real-life/ [09:52] lol [09:53] awesome [09:53] Wierd [09:55] My lack of flash prevents me from seeing this awesome weirdness [09:58] you're missing out [09:58] Apparently [10:06] where's your flash anyway? is this a wilful flash-fast? [10:07] Indeed. It needlessly bogs down my system [10:07] I have to keep it on my dev server for testing some client work, but I really don't miss it [10:09] Any youtube video I can't watch in HTML5 quite often works on my phone. And if it doesn't, I'm not really missing out that much [10:13] good morning everyone. [10:14] so... since there doesn't seem to be linux-386 kernel in the newer versions of Ubuntu, is there a comparable one in Debian? Was just looking at the options I have for the Viglen... [10:14] brobostigon: ohai [10:15] morning Myrtti [10:21] * AlanBell wonders if there is a nice pub in peterborough [10:21] brewery tap [10:21] smack in middle of town [10:21] :-> [10:23] added :) [10:23] anyone over in Bristol? [10:54] hi all [10:54] damn vps ran out of memory :( [10:54] :( [10:55] That's what you get for playing with vps's at home :D [10:57] yay for VMWARE :) [10:57] lol [11:13] * AlanBell grumbles about people not knowing what "correct postage" means [11:14] AlanBell: Doesn't it mean that the person receiving the letter/package will pay the extra to correct the postage charge [11:14] :) [11:14] yes [11:14] reminds me i should send a few of those to virgin media [11:14] which is me, sending someone a free CD [11:15] so it is going to be sent back with incorrect postage too [11:15] how much does it cost to send a cd? [11:16] 2nd larg [11:16] our old post office delivered it anyway [11:16] 1st is 12p short [11:16] so I have had to pay £1.12 to receive a CD case [11:17] wow, i thought a regular stamp would cover it [11:17] We had a letter from our accountants enclosing a bill which had the wrong postage on so we ended up paying the extra [11:17] this is why you should have just asked people to send you a pound sellotaped between two pieces of card [11:17] ali1234: or a paypal link. [11:17] or bitcoins [11:18] bitcoins = virtual currency. result = virtual cd (i.e. a url) [11:20] ali1234: yeah, I kind of liked the "no money changes hands" aspect of it, but this time it failed [11:20] I will update the web page [11:21] alternatively just don't accept any that didn't have the right postage [11:22] tbh if i wanted a CD, the faff of SSAE etc would put me off, but a link to pay £1ish would be easy [11:22] i will send you as many linux cds as you want if you send me bitcoins [11:22] i don't accept paypal though [11:22] and they are not originals [11:22] i will just download and burn them [11:24] tbh i'm surprised that there are people in the UK who don't have broadband, or a friend with it [11:25] ali1234: you don't know what it is until you pay for it [11:25] wut [11:26] don't know what what is? [11:26] the post office just leave a note saying you have an item that you need to pay postage for [11:26] could be anything [11:26] yeah [11:26] don't collect any of them [11:26] then the post office has to return it to the sender [11:26] what if its' something you purchased and want? [11:27] like my latest woot tshirt [11:27] then you make a claim against the seller "object never delivered" [11:27] and buy it from someone else [11:27] once my grandad sent me a birthday card with a 1p stamp. his eyesight wasn't great and he thought it was a 1st class. it had ££ in it [11:27] but no return address [11:31] http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/ [11:34] i never saw that before, wheres the furthest you have had to send to? [11:35] well the one with insufficient postage was blackpool [11:35] only sent out a few as we started it mid-release [11:35] fair enough [11:36] I expect we will make a bigger deal of it and accept pre-orders in the run up to Oneiric [11:39] i guess it stops the wastage as well from people ordering for the sake of ordering just because they are free [11:54] I don't know how much that was, I would be interested to know how many CDs shipit sent to the UK [11:56] i know a few years ago i went to order some, and by default it had selected to deliver 5 [12:00] Tyre place is very busy today [12:11] moo [12:15] Is that the real popey, or has a cow nicked his laptop from the field [12:15] heh [12:15] I am in semi civilisation [12:16] just had to do some online banking :D [12:18] Are you on holiday [12:20] DJones: probably Wales or someplace [12:20] popey: You sir, are full of false truths. [12:20] civilisation is not possible where you are. [12:20] Daviey: you seen where I am ? [12:20] haha [12:21] popey: nah, where are you? [12:21] specific [12:21] one mo [12:21] http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=cary+park,+torquay&hl=en&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=15.738773,39.331055&vpsrc=0&z=16 [12:21] the green bit there [12:23] awww [12:23] Tony Sale has passed away [12:29] i went near there on my hols this year [12:30] incidentally i just been watching freakyclown's excellent talk from oggcamp this year [12:31] popey: ah, not too far then [12:39] right, best go play with kids [12:39] ttfn [12:40] later popey [13:32] \o/ new tyres [13:32] $money-- [13:32] /o\ [13:33] i need a new tyre :/ [13:34] daubers, can i have yours? :P [13:37] Hippychick: Probably the wrong tyres [13:45] shame :( [13:45] maybe you can just take my car for the new tyre then bring it back to me: :D [13:46] Hippychick: after my wallet being made £150 lighter from the two I got.... I'd rather not :p [13:47] fair enough, im £600 down from the ferrets :( [13:56] £600 on _ferrets_????? [13:56] Where they made of gold? [13:56] Solid gold ferrets? [13:57] You could buy a hive full of bee's, a beekeepers smock, hive tool, smocker and still have change for that! [13:57] s/smocker/smoker [13:57] x-rays and medicine [13:58] 1 broke its leg twice and has major calcium defcieny so is being treated for that [13:58] Hippychick: are the ferrets pets or business [13:59] and the other being jelous of all the attention decided to try and break his leg so more x-rays and pain meds for both of them [13:59] they are just pets, ikonia-remote [14:00] ferrets are a replaceable commodity surely? [14:00] they all look the same [14:00] :O no ferret is replaceable! [14:02] * dwatkins returns to this window to see a statement he thoroughly agrees with [14:02] indeed, Hippychick [14:03] could you pick yours from an ID parade? [14:04] i could [14:04] they each have different looks and personallities [14:05] do they all smell so bad or is it just the boys [14:06] mainly the boys, though this improves after they are neuterd, i dont notice any smell anymore [14:06] Don't suppose anyone is familiar with slapd? [14:08] Is it april fools day already? This sounds to good to be believable http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ITRI-Display-Taiwan-USB-3.0-2TB-Thin-Card,13320.html [14:09] andrew_: what's up with slapd ? [14:10] I have some kind of permissions problem on my db but can't figure out whats wrong - if i comment out two lines in /etc/default/slapd and let it run as root it is fine, but if i start normally as openldap it wont start [14:11] I can probably leave it running as root as this is just for a home network [14:11] DJones, that looks awesome, i want!!!! [14:11] But I'd like to have it working properly [14:12] Hippychick: Me too, a 2 TB usb stick, something like that would be brilliant for schools/colleges etc, give every student one & they come to class, plug into a diskless chassis and boot up, take it from room to room with the weight of a laptop etc [14:16] DJones, Couldn't that be done with far less storage than 2TB? [14:17] Hmm - No oracle-java-jdk package in the future then? Better make sure everything works on OpenJDK instead: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Oracle-retires-licence-for-distributing-its-Java-with-Linux-1332835.html [14:17] andrew_: It could quite easily, but I'm just surprised at the size of teh stick [14:23] There isn't a 'send window to session n' is there? I can move windows between virtual desktops but not x sessions [14:24] Due to my setup I have 3 seperate X sessions running on 3 monitors [14:24] bigcalm: you can't do that [14:25] if you used xinerama it may have been possible to write something that could send to X displays, [14:25] but as pretty much no-one uses it these days I guess no-one bothered to write it [14:26] I did have xinerama across the 3 monitors, but that gives one a very slow desktop [14:26] bigcalm: I think you could do that with xpra [14:27] ormiret: interesting [14:27] ormiret: how can that work ? [14:28] It sits between teh app and X server that actually does the displaying and gives the option to connect to a different X server [14:29] ormiret: you can't send it to different X servers [14:29] it's like an X11 version of screen, you can't push applications to different X servers with it [14:30] last time I tried it it was quite buggy, which is understandable as it's early development [14:31] you can reattach to different computers so a different X server on the same machine should work [14:33] that's not sending to a different X server though [14:34] that's starting an applicaiton, detatching it, then re-attatching it on a different X server [14:35] Other than a bit of shell scripting to mess with $DISPLAY between the detach and the reattach isn't that teh same thing? [14:36] for me no, but as you say depends on your needs and expectations [14:37] bored, ikonia-remote? you seem super ircish since you went to brazil [14:45] heh [14:46] * MooDoo would be bored if he wasn't so damn busy [14:47] "ircish" I read that as "irish" :) [14:50] DJones: no that's czajkowski[ish] :) [14:50] :D [14:53] czajkowski: have you seen davmor2 today? i don't seem to recall him poking you recently... [14:53] he;'s leaving me on my hols [14:54] czajkowski: huh? he's come to see you for a visit? [14:54] no on irc [14:54] ah [14:57] directhex: super board [14:57] plus as I'm away I thought I'd try to involve myself in the UK channel a little more rather than popping in/out [15:05] when my boss decided to lock all the router access down he never thought about internet enabled phones... [15:06] sorry, not router, internet [15:12] Hippychick: used to use anyterm in a place where it was all locked down [15:12] so I could stil irc [15:12] Who was it that was waiting for the £69 HP Pre? http://www.reghardware.com/2011/08/30/hp_puts_69_pound_pre_3_on_uk_website/ [15:13] directhex: [15:13] I thought it was either AlanBell or TheOpenSourcerer [15:13] DJones: oO, is there any effort to get android on it? [15:13] i want another touchpad [15:14] Azelphur: No idea about that [15:14] ARGH [15:15] * DJones shouldn't have mentioned it, if that the reaction [15:15] lol [15:15] pressing find a local retailer, nothing is happening [15:15] ahhh who cares [15:15] clearly it doesn't want to sell me one D: [15:16] could you port android to it? sure. should you? Why on earth would you WANT to? [15:16] why is everyone obssed with porting android to these things [15:16] because I like android? because it's open source and has a huge selection of apps and is the #1 mobile operating system? [15:16] Azelphur, open source ish. [15:16] android is turning into another Linux where things don't work as there are 200 varients all slightly different [15:17] i don't really regard android as linux [15:17] it just runs on linux [15:17] oimon, good. it isn't, really [15:17] sure it is [15:17] you can hack away at android just like any other distro [15:17] I didn't say it was Linux, I said it's turning into another Linux due to how it's being forked/varients [15:17] do we see android apps running on our linux desktops? [15:17] Azelphur, awesome. there are some tweaks i want to make to the honeycomb ui... [15:18] oimon: yep [15:19] Azelphur: how? [15:19] * Azelphur points at the android sdk [15:19] android isn't gnu/linux. it has a forked linux kernel, and a nonstandard userland. it's possible to run some android apps on a real linux kernel (or other non-android kernel) via software like Alien Dalvik [15:19] * dwatkins wonders if mounting a filesystem from a 200 GB file on a USB-attached disk was a bad idea, when it fails to complete within 30 seconds [15:19] but it doesn't achieve much. [15:20] exactly [15:20] what happened to this? http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/canonical-developers-aim-to-make-android-apps-run-on-ubuntu.ars [15:20] oimon: I hope it died [15:20] as for android on pre3... yeah. could be done. if someone writes the requisite drivers for the touchscreen [15:20] just from the url alone [15:20] and finds a way to fake the hardware buttons via the gesture area [15:20] ikonia-remote: aye you;'ve never been as vocal in here till you went away [15:21] someone's got cyanogenmod to boot on a touchpad. the colours are wrong, and there's no user input, but it boots [15:21] same technique would work for a pre3. [15:21] czajkowski: thought I'd try to get more invovled in my local comunity [15:21] :) [15:21] In other news, why does Ubuntu software center want me to pay in USD/Euro and charge me UK VAT? [15:21] ikonia-remote: ok :) [15:21] Azelphur: log a bug [15:21] bit odd tbh [15:22] woulda thought there's some explanation to it :p [15:22] haha wow, it took several minutes to tell me off for forgetting the -o loop :) [15:22] you're based in UK [15:22] billing address in UK [15:22] offhand [15:22] JoShieldsHPPre3 / # uname -a [15:22] Linux JoShieldsHPPre3 2.6.32.9-palm-rib #1 PREEMPT 153.5.1 armv7l GNU/Linux [15:22] real lunix [15:23] directhex: does it run X11? [15:23] Azelphur, the native WM isn't x11. but there's an X11 app in preware. [15:24] JoShieldsHPPre3 / # /lib/libc.so.6 [15:24] GNU C Library (Sourcery G++ 4.3-234) stable release version 2.8, by Roland McGrath et al. [15:24] gnu! [15:24] the thing is that when you go to phone hardware and stuff like this not everything works anyway even if you get as close as you are [15:24] Even with the N900 that had "proper" linux and X11 [15:24] JoShieldsHPPre3 / # gst-inspect-0.10 | tail -1 [15:24] Total count: 53 plugins, 199 features [15:24] gstreamer! [15:25] The majority of stuff still needed heavy tweaking or just didn't work at all [15:25] JoShieldsHPPre3 / # pulseaudio --version [15:25] pulseaudio 0.9.22 [15:25] also havn't HP abandoned WebOS now? [15:26] they've axed the hardware. the software is supposedly still being developed, but without shipping hardware, people are nervous. [15:27] just looking at smartphones, the htc sensation has about as much processing power as our media server... [15:27] directhex: I still think those tablets would make mega network VT1000 or terminal emmulators [15:27] directhex: forget everything else just using them as a terminal emmulator would be a great tools [15:28] ikonia-remote, if they had rs232 ports, sure ;) [15:29] Azelphur: There was a report that there was going to be an OTA update for WebOS fairly soon [15:29] Or for the touchpad anyway [15:29] :) [15:30] http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20099049-64/hp-update-to-boost-touchpad-functionality/ [15:30] yea I'm not seeing how WebOS has anything over Android/Maemo tbh [15:30] seems to work nicely? [15:31] directhex: network acces would be great, a physical port would be even more amazing [15:31] If you want apps with a little compromise it seems like Android, and if you want real Linux, Maemo is more mature, has more things ported to it, and uses X11 so you can have more things. [15:31] http://twitpic.com/6ct48e/full [15:32] isn't maemo pronounced meego nowadays? [15:32] directhex: is that banshee?! [15:32] oimon, except the n9 is running maemo 6, which has meego compatibility ;) [15:32] MartijnVdS, yes. [15:32] directhex: because it looks different than mine [15:32] oimon: good point :P [15:33] or mee"gone" [15:34] who bought the kagon tablet a little while back? that cost about the same as a TP as i recall [15:34] here's the problem with android: it sucks. it really does. it's going to take over the world as the #1 smartphone OS not by being good, but by being everywhere. its devices are user-hostile, the OS is user-hostile. are there some good apps? yes, there are apps i really miss from android on webos. but it's a big app store on top of a crap os [15:34] HP accidentally made the TP more desirable than the ipad atm [15:35] oimon, seems like the tp had a pricing problem more than anything, eh? [15:35] well, no, it just made it very cheep by killing it [15:35] tons of guys have become insanley jealous of me suddenly [15:35] because i have something they can't get [15:35] your tablet brings all the boys to the yard [15:36] and you're like "it's better than yours" [15:36] deffo [15:36] some people didn't think they existed [15:36] i nearly bought one full price the week before they axed the price [15:36] no kidding [15:37] luck is on your side [15:37] the force is with you [15:37] although you might have got a refund [15:38] has anyone jumped into the 6 core intil CPU's yet ? [15:39] not i [15:39] i can barely afford 2 cores [15:39] i'm on quadcore i7, wife is on quadcore i5 sandy bridge [15:39] * MartijnVdS is waiting for Ivy Bridge [15:39] 6 cores? there was a time when they thought the world would only need 6 computers [15:40] I'm torying with an upgrade for my machine in the loft. [15:40] toying even [15:40] tories? eek! [15:40] directhex: I think you know better than that. [15:41] wifey has a big red pc now. it's got a 6970 in it [15:42] red ? [15:42] red! [15:42] colour is important to women [15:42] http://i.imgur.com/BK7mqh.jpg [15:43] nice small case [15:43] did yo ubuy it red [15:43] i like the rennie tablets on top of the pizza advert [15:43] kind of go hand-in-hand [15:43] oimon, not a coincidence :| [15:43] ikonia-remote, yeah, they make that one in red, alu & black [15:44] directhex: Without wanting to add to the stereotype, .... but my wife has a red laptop because she liked the colour [15:44] nice [15:44] quite tidy, would fit well under my desk [15:44] when i eat a subway i swig gaviscon as a pre-emptive strike [15:44] ikonia, and it came with the cd bezel in red. that was a big problem with other coloured cases [15:44] that's a bit annoying [15:46]